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#esports-discussion
vestal mortar
iron cedar
Stylosa
Residentsleeper
toxic yacht
smh now 123 has one icelandicianish insteaf of one german
123 trying to become mid-tier smh
wary falcon
who is icelandish?
toxic yacht
haffi
clever portal
Hafficool off-tank 
wary falcon
i thought people from Iceland has huge ping
rapid oxide
insert mid tier meme here
toxic yacht
haffi was a pretty good dva back in the tank meta
clever portal
@toxic yacht you think I read the articles 
toxic yacht
we don't know if that was only because dva was op though
toxic yacht
probably
solid spear
Well they run that a lot cuz they have less good D.Va players and a lot of good Genjis
Not because the region necessarily thinks that comp is actually better
toxic yacht
remember when unfixed played genji for 5 seconds?
clever portal
You're saying that like there are many good NA DVas
solid spear
There are
toxic yacht
lol
toxic yacht
nice mobile
clever portal
PC, but bad connection 
solid spear
rip
clever portal
Imo they run it because most EU teams have 3 good dps players
solid spear
I mean thats half of what I said
clever portal
And the mentioned low DVa skill
clever portal
Most NA teams can't run 3 dps
solid spear
Where in NA is the opposite
clever portal
Most EU teams can't run DVa
toxic yacht
that's literally what oreo said
solid spear
It was actually pretty good during tank meta tbh
balmy wolf
well, the problem is that the way you run D.va back during tank meta is different from now
Mickie did has to adjusted for a while and he is known as one of the best D.va player in the world during the tank meta
balmy wolf
last meta D.va was an aggressive bully-type tank
this meta if you playing D.va like last meta you are not doing your job
clever portal
Last meta even if you peeled, it wouldn't help too much
As matrix was so inconsistent
balmy wolf
during the last meta the Matrix is sort of something that is kind of important in stretches but not that good in the grand scheme of things
like in a 1v1 to shut down a 76 or to eat up an ult then DM is huge
but outside of that and helping Rein's shield stay up long
it doesn't do much
solid spear
Well D.Va as a whole was just less reliant on it cuz she was way more tanky
And shed just bully stuff regardless
balmy wolf
well yeah, that's what I said
she is there to bully the enemy team more than actually mitigate the damage
balmy wolf
jagged crater
clever portal
It's the posters opinion
I agree with the switches he suggests
Imo SBB and Flower are completely fine though
As they showed in the game
solid spear
Birdring or bust
rapid oxide
video dislikes are nuff
rapid oxide
who seriously prefere Paladins should gtfo and stfu
and dont pollute reddit with their bs
i dont go on lol sub claiming dota is better
1st it's pointless and 2nd its retarded
red anvil
-1M downvotes 
rapid oxide
also i dont go on other sub just to spread negativity just for the sake of it without giving any constructive feedback
just stfu already and kys
red anvil
but no i'll never understand anyone obsesed with proving one game is better then the other
rapid oxide
yes im fucking mad
wintry matrix
just tell them to look at cauterize and wrecker
even if someone hates blizzard, can't really say bliss did something worse thant that
i do wonder if basic functions like match history and saving replays aren't there because of the new engine
rapid oxide
there's a difference between criticize them and pouring toxic nosense
xd ow casual xd esport ded xdxdxd owl fail huehue
wintry matrix
oh, i just ignore it
rapid oxide
as ow fanboy that trigger me soo much
what worries me is that this kind of post are getting upvotes
even the """"""esport journalist""""""" i wont name now
clever portal
It's the new circlejerk
wintry matrix
eh, reddit is easy to brigade
rapid oxide
are not fucking journalist if you state your opinion
its not your god damn job state your opinion
that's true
when OWL info "super positive, owl will succeed ..." one team drop "omg esport ded, fuck u blizz"
limber pine
Breathe
wintry matrix
that's the thing with reddit
one day a certain post could be the most upvoted by a number of a people, then next day an exact opposite post with a different people
solid spear
nigga calm down
wintry matrix
lots of contradiction
solid spear
limber pine
Not to mention posts of the same opinion can have vastly different upvotes and visibility
wintry matrix
if u don listen to weebs are u a web
limber pine
Depending on wording and time of day and fun stuff like that
rapid oxide
its a mix of lots of factors: visibility, time posted, people browsing that sub at X moment etc...
wintry matrix
that's why when i jump in these sorts of volatile opinion posts i usually just read a paragraph or two, see it's bullshit and bail
rapid oxide
@wintry matrix im not a weaboo 
wintry matrix
but your avatar is anime shadow
rapid oxide
yes but i want to browse reddit for news
wintry matrix
just thing of daddy TisRobin and everything will be fine
solid spear
@rapid oxide LIES
balmy wolf
i know reddit is a bipolar mass of Chthulian horror whose opinions is about as whimsical as my gf's mom
so trying to appease/follow it is kind of π«
solid spear
.-.
rapid oxide
is what? about wut? whimscial eh?
@solid spear how can i prove you im not a weab, onii-chan?
solid spear
by not calling me onii-chan!
rapid oxide
clever portal
I think this OWL announcement only came out because of all the critical posts
supple nymph
priorities
clever portal
So it's good they're atleast taking it seriously
balmy wolf
i mean though
the flow of negativity will still going to flow at least for another month or two
until Contenders come
and then it will be "Carbon camerawork is trash REEEEE"
because apparently BEATS Invitationals wasn't enough in term of reminding people that NA production is NA production for a reason
clever portal
Reddit 24/7 
I once said I was glad OMM has been replaced by something better
And it was like I'd stabbed their families
wintry matrix
OMM wasn't replaced
at least not yet
i think the equivalent would be Open Division i think, but with no streams and casting
that or smaller cups like Athena and stuff
balmy wolf
meanwhile, SK/North/Virtus Pro/Astralis/Fnatic/Gambit and BIG qualified. Now down to Immortals and Flipside 
BIG qualified is a in and of itself
clever portal
I saw OMM as the highest level in NA
It was where we saw who was good, new teams etc
Now contenders does the same job
balmy wolf
people attached to OMM way too much
and the news that it was discontinued was in a wave of 
discontent too
so it snowballed
wintry matrix
i think the difference is that sometimes a smaller team could compete with big ones/teams on the rise, like East Wind
contenders is only the top you could say
clever portal
Yeah, it needs to be 16 teams
wintry matrix
i'd still like to have an OMM every few months at least, or an online tourney like that
clever portal
And changing invites
balmy wolf
nah online tourny is shite -
clever portal
Or how about a LAN 
wintry matrix
lan is expensive
balmy wolf
Contenders S1 LAN is going to be a thing
supple nymph
real lan or internet lan? 
balmy wolf
real LAN hopefully
and even in Shanghai it was a real LAN
LAN Finals Rogue vs Envy 
still has DC for whatever reason
supple nymph
c9 still stuck in not-qualified hell 
solid spear
Kungarna took care of them 
clever portal
Kungarna lul
Those are the kind of things that keep OW interesting
Kungarna top 8 NA 
balmy wolf
that reminded me to rewatch 
vs 
just to dissect on how fucked them so hard
when draw vs 
rapid oxide
Good riddance OMM got abandoned
Slasher, Shit audio quality, shit production, slasher, na, online, slasher
balmy wolf
yeah, but they are still only onliners
rapid oxide
People forgot NGA
solid spear
well some of them were at NGE lul but like a lot of teams are onlners
rapid oxide
Or w/e
solid spear
there hasnt been many lans
rapid oxide
solid spear
this year
balmy wolf
yes they were in NGE but that was 6 fucking months ago
at this point it is a wash
and also half of their team is now elsewhere too
solid spear
theres been like zero NA LANs in the past 6 months
balmy wolf
it was also a different lineup
solid spear
thats not their fault
solid spear
ye Ajax, B1am ConnorJ
balmy wolf
I wonder why ConnorJ left 
solid spear
balmy wolf
and now scrap up Jaru off of the corpse of 
solid spear
Jaru isnt bad though
I dont think ConnorJ is a significantly better player than Jaru tbh
balmy wolf
not really. ZP and Hex hyped him to the moon but the qualifier was the only place where he looked good
and has a losing record when it come to weeklies
they has an ex T1 in Onigod and they has been mired in the weekly land for like months on ends before Contenders
and then getting smashed by 
and certainly didn't help
hence of course now nuked their roster and rebuild.....by putting ad in Inven
inb4 Selly go to tho
supple nymph
how does this have 2300 points https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6o7eco/overwatch_actual_hero_classes_rev2/
really random
1 hour
clever portal
What if no one comes 
supple nymph
jerk in a circle
supple nymph
starting
supple nymph
cyclowns coach came
clever wagon
Around the Forum
balmy wolf
kyynel only master xd
I mean Hymzi's acc decayed to Diamond
outside a few i don't think NIP was very comp grinder type of dudes
cool
clever wagon
Gotta wonder how OCE ranked matchmaking is significantly more shit than SEA
balmy wolf
less people
SEA actually can get some good matchmaking just by getting to KR or JP server
not in OCE though
since they can only go to SEA
which is like jumping from one pool of shit to another
clever wagon
No, Reign
I mean as a SEA plat that's logged into "America", I've never once gotten that kind of shit tier matchmaking
And by matchmaking I meant the SR alone
Not once as a high plat or low diamond I ever met a master+ in ranked
Though the last time I played was like 2 weeks ago at the very least
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
wary falcon
Dunno, i played on KR and EU, didn't notice difference except voice comms
KR has less Mercy mains and more Hanzo's, EU has more Pharah's
pls don't ban
RA vs VG
any predictictions?
red anvil
Bumper Lucio SadFace
wary falcon
I didn't play on highest level
just casual on 4100 SR
(on KR)
so RA is better?
I dropped chinese OW in december 2016
don't know their teams, if they still same they don't have any chances against KR
red anvil
Most likely yes
but its still a wildcard since we only seen one match with new RA rooster
forest raven
The Grand Final of the π°π· region OGN APEX 
Season 3 LAN Championship will take place on the 29th July, at 7PM KST (Korean Standard Time)
Watch live at:
π¬π§ https://www.twitch.tv/ognglobal
π°π· https://www.twitch.tv/ogn_ow
red anvil
Runaway vs Vici starts now
forest raven
Overwatch World Cup 2017
https://www.twitch.tv/playoverwatch
Playoffs begin 3rd November
π¬π§ United Kingdom vs. Sweden πΈπͺ
π¨π¦ Canada vs. Australia π¦πΊ
π¨π³ China vs. France π«π·
π°π· South Korea vs. United States πΊπΈ
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/overwatch/Overwatch_World_Cup/2017
forest raven
wary falcon
VG looks weak
red anvil
Runaway just ignores there tracer and murders the whole team while the tracer is blinking around
wary falcon
RA looks shaky too
wary falcon
score?
red anvil
1-0 Runaway
red anvil
VG nearly fullheld lunar because runaway being idiots
red anvil
this was pretty much the same
wary falcon
poor OW π¦
red anvil
and there was a reaper that they tried to push into
VG takes first map on KOTH
Haksal, why you on the lucio 
wary falcon
Lucio has roughly same LMB damage as genji
dps lucio
1-1
bo3 koth?
Haksal genji now
rugged quartz
hey, the sidney stream tomorrow is at what time?
toxic yacht
1 AM GMT
it's at 2 AM for me, so it's gonna end right when I wake up
chat bullying mano again
lul, it's the same guy
it's starting bois
this is looking like south korea vs x6, but the other way round
toxic yacht
tfw a group full of EU teams is gonna play when EU sleeps
then again, most countries are EU
clever portal
Is Ardeont better than x6?
toxic yacht
yes
x6 is lol
as tisrobin said, this match is gonna be much more telling about SK's strength
royal ore
question: do any pros frequent r/Overwatch discord (not just this channel here)?
toxic yacht
ya, they feel like a less refined rogue rn, lul
bad defense, amazing offense
uhh, ajax used to come here more regularily for a while
kresnik occasionally comes here
clever portal
Pros in general don't really visit public channels
wary falcon
Nanohana farmed his ultimate faster than SBB
clever portal
If you want to speak casually to pros, join the OW
toxic yacht
The OW is fucking trash though
clever portal
And you can get team emotes as well 
Yh, don't expect to ask them questions
Mostly memeing
A lot of pros have their own discords
So you can 'speak' to them there
toxic yacht
they woke up
clever portal
Which is how pros can all talk to each other
clever portal
This is a reddit r/overwatch server
If you want to discuss something, the OW is thrash though
wary falcon
no
clever portal
No discussion, and tournament channels are dead
toxic yacht
SK
clever portal
Maybe they have that
But honestly, the chat in a random channel here is probably better than there
Last time i checked it, they were just bashing mercy mains
It's just top 500s shitposting
toxic yacht
you know, watching flow3r play
makes me wish that we'd have seen a non-crippled LW Blue this season
toxic yacht
probably
I think that they're using the WC format
with 4 maps
This team is gonna fucc
clever portal
How are they doing?
toxic yacht
KDU
clever portal
And they win 3-0 
clever portal
Worse than they did to NV and Rogue? 
toxic yacht
dat sneak hack
well, the sombra is completely useless now
except they play around the right or left corner
lol
it's 2 minutes into the match and he doesn't have EMP yet
EMP after 2 and a half minutes
flow3r is already at his second one
whatever, massively delayed cap after baiting 2 ults + EMP
so it's good, I guess
ardeont throwing
ah, capped, but making it 10x harder than it needed to be 
clever portal
3-0?
supple nymph
@vestal mortar https://twitter.com/natenanzer/status/887905288883322880
solid spear
Jehong on Ana 
clever portal
Every time I see your comments, I always think it's sopti
solid spear
Can't wait for the buffs
clever portal
Then I see it's Oreo 
solid spear
:(
clever portal
Jk 
solid spear
toxic yacht
wtf is SK doing
throwing harder than ardeont
sk is attacking
btw
okay, that was one of the smartes uses of wall I've seen
solid spear
Worth
celest spear
toxic yacht
It was meta for a short time a few months back, meta has moved back to 2-2-2 with dva instead of a third dps, although triple dps is still ran
trim trellis
@toxic yacht how did they use the wall
toxic yacht
used it to cut off winston from getting the mega on the right side of volskaya B, so winston had to use the other entrance to access it, they then instantly pushed after the wall was down, cut him off and killed him
clever portal
Sombra might bring back area denial heroes
We might see Junkrat camping healthpack soon
solid spear
Attack Junk on Anubis is the new wave
red anvil
how is SK doing?
wary falcon
what now? bo1 on oasis?
red anvil
i kinda forgot about the showmatch
toxic yacht
SK is doing fucking well
wary falcon
SK is running mei and mccree on attack
toxic yacht
They're gonna fuck
red anvil
RJH on Mei?
wary falcon
Also they played 8 minutes against pharah without soldier/mccree/widow
red anvil
clever portal
Flower mei 
red anvil
i need to watch this
solid spear
solid spear
That was the most arhan ult Ive ever seen in my life
toxic yacht
I don't understand why they stick to sombra so stubbornly
their sombra window was done, flow3r hacked all good health packs
they had a window, jehong and SBB clutched
should have swapped right after that
toxic yacht
aaaaand pointless trans
red anvil
this aint the quality SK play i was promised
wintry matrix
is it really worth to use emp as a counter-emp?
solid spear
Mano feeding smh
And hacking Sombra so she cant emp herself is worth it a lot of the time
wintry matrix
i mean that part where 6sense emped, and the soon after flow3r emped
toxic yacht
I know that this is a showmatch, but is ardeont a basketball team?
cause these throws are out of this world
toxic yacht
doing their best kobe impression
smh the basketball is in the spawn room
not the streets phase and last of route 66
wary falcon
3-0 or 2-1?
red anvil
3-0
red anvil
monday
toxic yacht
that's on monday
red anvil
rip kdu
clever portal
Games starting at 2 am
supple nymph
free from LH basement jail?
wary falcon
what happened?
red anvil
Solider 4 week mountain training camp
wary falcon
did he bang coach's girlfriend?
red anvil
Nah, his now ex-wife
balmy wolf
some mighty shota cock that WhoRU has there
clever portal
Whoru in finals
clever portal
vestal mortar
π€
rapid oxide
solid spear
balmy wolf
I mean I will watch the π»π³ game
just because gotta rep my home country
even though they will get fuck sideway by Taimou and the boyz
red anvil
i'm still not sure what you wane be more scared of, finland or spain
balmy wolf
i mean if they can get πΉπ tier performance
that's good enough
or even exceed expectation tbh
red anvil
QP Sombra
balmy wolf
but some ass on the VN community thinks that just because CyzoneVN won the SEA LAN that they are in the same tier as Finland
red anvil
nothing wrong with believing in your own country/team
supple nymph
reign has undergone weebitization
solid spear
.-.
rapid oxide
@wary falcon italy will lose so not interesting at all
vestal mortar
Rip
thick cosmos
Predictions on which teams will make it to blizzcon from the sydney qualifier? I think it's gonna be 2 of Sweden/Finland/Spain/Australia.
balmy wolf
Finland and AUS
supple nymph
aus is a whole team and they competed in OPC and got 2nd place
so unless every team in opc is trash or something they should
wintry matrix
if RIP and Misfits core get their shit together i'd say both of them, as much as i want Spain to go
supple nymph
and finland has Good Aimer
wintry matrix
tbh for this meta and at this time i'd have more faith in linkzr carrying than taimoy
supple nymph
red anvil
i think sweden and either spain or finland
finland is just a medicore team with taimou
but then again spain aint even that so
But at least half there roster is from tier 1-2 teams
wintry matrix
spain is low-key stacked
only doubt is Winghaven which afaik haven't played in a while and was in a slump in his last matches
red anvil
3 months since he was in LK so he's probably not used to playing in dive at all
in a pro envoirment
toxic yacht
Predictions are Sweden and Aus for me, mostly because Sweden will likely get second seed and play vs Finland, whom they are likely gonna beat imo
toxic yacht
Yeah, because NiP are so much better
solid spear
I still want them to win
wintry matrix
not rooting for spain smh
sturdy granite
Either Finland and Aus or Finland and Sweden
balmy wolf
I forgot about the seeding actually @toxic yacht
Im gonna go with AUS and Sweden then
it is rather vital that both Finland and Sweden got first seeds
top 4 probably going to be Sweden, Australia, Spain, Finland
balmy wolf
they are pretty solid
Australia, Japan, and Vietnam all has the potential to play spoilers
red anvil
i'm just looking forward to seeing NZ, they got last seasons top 1 global mercy main
wary falcon
i watched few AUS games
and i'm not impressed at all
on other hand i didn't play with italian players except karnifex
Vietnam = CyzoneVN?
@balmy wolf
balmy wolf
yes
wary falcon
they played on pacific cup and failed?
perphaps they prepared few surprises like Thailand
clever portal
OPC has some requirements
You need an org that will move you to Taiwan and get a place
Otherwise more than 4 teams would have tried to qualify
balmy wolf
CyzoneVN for all intents and purposes are orgless
so unless somebody starts an org in VN
they will remains that way
unless of course they performed well in the WC
clever portal
Just saw another Thai team tried to qualify
I'm guessing esports are bigger in Thailand?
balmy wolf
maybe? idk
wintry matrix
it's in 5 hours i think
smoky hinge
Starts 9:30am AEST
warm totem
finlands match 6am here in finland feelsverybadman
spring lintel
Goddamn
warm totem
so got to go sleep early
toxic yacht
I should maybe have gone to sleep earlier so that I can catch it live
eh
not worth it
warm totem
am thinking the same
wanna see my boys live but my sleepingschedule is so freaking bad
toxic yacht
tomorrow's games are mostly gonna be stomps, methinks
wintry matrix
for me it starts at 9pm, feelsgoodman
toxic yacht
so I'm not sure if it'd even be worth messing up my sleep schedule for
toxic yacht
yeah
smoky hinge
I gotta get up and get ready, it's at 9:30 and it'll take me an hour to get there lol
clever portal
@toxic yacht wake up at 5 for taimou
toxic yacht
well, if I wake up in the middle of the night for some reason I'm gonna watch it
warm totem
My boy timo
spring lintel
I would like to see some sick plaays
smoky hinge
I dont know any of team JP lol
warm totem
havent seen finns play really anywhere for a while
spring lintel
Teams arent so bad
toxic yacht
apparently the JP OW scene sucks anyway
warm totem
exited to see zappis
toxic yacht
lul
smoky hinge
Lol
warm totem
yeah saw that tweet was like wtf
smoky hinge
Soon without his beard lmfao
toxic yacht
SoOn looks like a shaved ballsack without his beard lol
smoky hinge
Basically
smoky hinge
He has no chin, that's why
clever portal
Team JP is literally people who haven't played internationally before
clever portal
No Sunsister/Detonator/libalent players
The first two i can understand why you wouldn't take anyone
clever portal
They have local tournaments
Usually for small amounts
Atleast JP are part of OPC
clever portal
Sunsiters motto is 'the power of friendship"
That one win was hype though
Final match day against the 2nd last team
balmy wolf
Team Japan = 4 USG Iridata + 2 Libalent
clever portal
And they pulled it off
balmy wolf
Team Vietnam as stated above won SEA LAN
While Libalent qualified for 2nd season of OPC
So this group aint no Shanghai
hushed root
South Korea
balmy wolf
?
warm totem
hmh?
toxic yacht
?
warm totem
wutFace
solid spear
meow
clever portal
No weebs here 
toxic yacht
AI Channel
tbh Team North Korea would win the WC
too bad that they aren't sending their team
warm totem
:DDD
toxic yacht
literally LWA avatar
solid spear
I lost a bet
toxic yacht
totally
wintry matrix
"bet"
toxic yacht
you've been losing a ton of bets lately
solid spear
I have
toxic yacht
anyway, I wonder what that "South Korea" was about
solid spear
Thanks Thailand smh
warm totem
lul
solid spear
Pls
clever portal
Every person who doesn't watch thinks that they will stomp
But after those showmatches
It might be true
Getting out of group stages will be ez atleast
wintry matrix
it would be even better if SK gave some lackluster performances, than in the finals they stomp rogue
clever portal
"it should've been 3-0. But we threw it ourselves, that's on us"
balmy wolf
it will come down to how busy those teams are in APEX S4
because as other coaches pointed out
they will be busy with APEX S4 leading up to November
vague socket
Is the world cup in 2 hours?
solid spear
3
toxic yacht
just go to sleep and watch thighmou in the morning
clever portal
He is apparently happymou now
toxic yacht
taimou will still be salty
better watch ma boi tviq flex some muscles if the meta is different at blizzcon
since he's stuck on tracer 100% of the time now
clever portal
Don't forget Tviq DVa
rapid oxide
Kebab's disgusting
toxic yacht
TviQ D. Va 
clever portal
Depends where you live
toxic yacht
pls, arny knows
clever portal
Outside of Eastern Europe, and German speaking countries, probably
rapid oxide
Everywhere
solid spear
hope we see some of it
balmy wolf
Australian kebab is pretty nice
toxic yacht
TviQ dva would tilt me so hard the wc tbh
balmy wolf
balmy wolf
Halal Snack Pack 
toxic yacht
manneten's zarya is really good
rapid oxide
Sushi is better
balmy wolf
@clever portal fries underneath it
solid spear
if only you werent required to run Tracer/D.Va/Winston all the time so I can see all my boys flex 
why arent we flexing
clever portal
@toxic yacht doner mit alles
toxic yacht
DΓΆner mit alles und ganz viel Scharf
solid spear
HALP
balmy wolf
lulz
rapid oxide
Nice
balmy wolf
needs a proper proj or hitscan I think
balmy wolf
maybe will get Cwoosh
toxic yacht
so it's kinda fine
rapid oxide
Weabs should be isolated
toxic yacht
wouldn't shock me if they're kinda trialing cwoosh
with this
ngl, if I were misfits I'd put zebbo on lucio, get rid of mineral, put nevix back on support and get cwoosh
balmy wolf
does have the cash to do a roster overhaul, they already sunk 20 mils on the Miami spot
solid spear
isnt the reason they brought Mineral in at all just for calls
rapid oxide
Swedish only team was a stupid idea
solid spear
I mean they kinda limit their options with their insistence on full Swedish roster
rapid oxide
Get mediocre players just cuz swe
And put people on role that aren't their true role
solid spear
I mean
rapid oxide
Yep
toxic yacht
I mean, nevix has always been suport/dps
rapid oxide
Indeed they won Apex /s
toxic yacht
the only one who is not on their true role is zebbo
since he never played main support
solid spear
eh
- I doubt dive is straight up dying
and even then I dont think Rogue turns to shit if it does
rapid oxide
Not Tier 2 but they wont be a powerhouse anymore
rapid oxide
Yrs still T1
balmy wolf
is good enough individually that even if the meta shift the worst it could happen is that they stay with 
clever portal
@solid spear doner or pizza, choose now
solid spear
well
NV is close to Rogue in a meta that is way more in Rogues favor than NV
NV would certainly be better in a tank basedmeta tbh
balmy wolf
has the condundrum that without the patch favoring them, the best they could be is just better than most, but never dominated. So if dive ever got nerfed, it probably going to the case with
I mean, yeah. But at this moment people are really firm on the fact that will get fucked when the meta change just because they played dive for so long
which is rather a foolish way of thinking about it
is not
rapid oxide
Rogue lack of flexing tbh
Just look at Soon on how got rekt as Mccree
Knoxx is a bad rein
clever portal
aKm can play any hitscan
clever portal
Pretty sure tracer as well?
solid spear
dive will die
rapid oxide
Hog in 2017 
solid spear
I cant see Rein becoming omnipresent again unless they actually hit Winston and other characters pretty hard
balmy wolf
At this point until the next meta shifted and crystalized, all of this is conjecture for the most part. And Rogue has play Reinhardt based comp before
solid spear
which I doubt they will
balmy wolf
but only occassionally
rapid oxide
Rein looks so amazing on PTR
solid spear
I dont think they even wanna touch Winston
balmy wolf
so it is not something to based on either
rapid oxide
Feels more consistent with the hammer swing
@solid spear you need very little to make winston shit tbh
solid spear
a lot of teams are going to still be running exclusively Monkey next patch
rapid oxide
Previously Winston was the least played hero
rapid oxide
Yes and before dive even in pro
solid spear
he got buffed when he was over 50% usage in proscene lol
rapid oxide
Now its 99% lol
balmy wolf
from here until the next meta it is going to be at least 2 months. OW meta is painfully slow to crystalize
and usually it takes some experimentation
so right now this is just blind speculation
solid spear
He got less play in in tank meta because you could only run 3-4 and hes not good against heavy tanks besides that Winston has literally always been good
balmy wolf
like how Alwaysoov even pointed out that NA/EU is better in term of discovering a meta faster than KR?
too lazy alright.
balmy wolf
that's his speculation though.
rapid oxide
balmy wolf
his observation regarding the meta in the past is correct for the most part
hell Complexity run Sombra first
before she was actually a thing
balmy wolf
everything that KR runs right now always has an NA/EU precedent if you actually look at how different meta evolves.
KR is less innovator as much as they do it really well
rapid oxide
Sombra on 2CP? No genji in dive meta?
solid spear
I mean you have to remember that Vace is the same person that said wed suck Koreans because they would keep using Hog and we see how that went, my mans loves Koreans cant blame em theyre cuties
Effect
rapid oxide
balmy wolf
I think you got the wrong guy.............
balmy wolf
lulz
rapid oxide
Gimme some of your drugs
solid spear
I mean I cant search it but thats work
rapid oxide
Looks pretty good
balmy wolf
in other news though, my team is officially tier 2 π only after a month of coaching and get together 
rapid oxide
KR are cuties yes
wintry matrix
tier 2 why?
rapid oxide
Im a human
clever portal
Leave Vace alone 
solid spear
I mean you just came at Alwaysoov for being wrong about KDP/NV like niggas cant be wrong every now at then lul
rapid oxide
Never say never
toxic yacht
koreans never try anything new anyway, literally everything "new" they did was done in the west first
they just refine it
rapid oxide
And the Meta Athena cocksucking?
solid spear
@rapid oxide Istill love you bb 
toxic yacht
they just did fun confusing strats, but nice mei walls aren't really as innovative as literally defining the meta
balmy wolf
Remember when a guy come in here and said that Mei in dive comp is proof that the meta is not solved yet?
toxic yacht
don't hate ceiu
rapid oxide
@solid spear love you too 
toxic yacht
it was cool gimicks that threw people off for a short time, but ya
was nice to watch
balmy wolf
it is like Bastion on Nepal Village. ran it before, but Kragie run it and everyone was like "oh my god Bastion works in divE!@!!!!!"
π«
toxic yacht
I was more surprised by the fact that they succesfully ran it into sombra
balmy wolf
because the other team was kind of shite?
balmy wolf
he used it in Contenders EU before
solid spear
I mean I stayed awake for Shanghai at that was 2am for me
trim trellis
tfw your country is amazing 
trim trellis
NA team 
solid spear
that group is so wild
toxic yacht
tbh sweden should have put teo on the team
trim trellis
lol
solid spear
instead of Reinforce ye
trim trellis
aimer7 on france
toxic yacht
he also plays off-tanks
pretty sure that he actually played every tank a lot at some point
trim trellis
that would have been a spicy game
toxic yacht
aimer to replace soon
trim trellis
lol
clever portal
Polo
rapid oxide
@trim trellis my country is italy so nope lul
clever portal
What if Polo is reading this
versed sinew
do aimer and exxu even comm
toxic yacht
no
trim trellis
i meant my own
toxic yacht
they don't talk
rapid oxide
Nicd Kittycat btw
trim trellis
nah exxu and aimer don't talk
rapid oxide
So adorable
trim trellis
ty u 2
versed sinew
weird
rapid oxide
Thanks!
toxic yacht
polo should have gotten 10k SR
short vault
aimer is probably muted tbh
toxic yacht
would have gotten ireland into the top 32
trim trellis
exxu is in his living room or something
toxic yacht
probably
rapid oxide
Who's exxu?
short vault
trim trellis
aimer doesn't really have an excuse
short vault
some weeb idk
rapid oxide
Never heard
trim trellis
@short vault aimer got muted in scrims today
balmy wolf
@wintry matrix tier 2 = semi pro team
short vault
trim trellis
he didn't take it that well
solid spear
rip
short vault
reformed
toxic yacht
R E F O R M E D
clever portal
Is his idol xQc
trim trellis
no xqc is mine
rapid oxide
Soe is mine
toxic yacht
xQc is my role model
clever portal
Soe 
toxic yacht
Soe 
toxic yacht
π that soe never finds this channel
solid spear
that would be an L
rapid oxide
Well... She could think she has a fan
I think she got worse stuff from fans
I remember she got death threats by someone
But from me, only love :)
toxic yacht
rapid oxide
SKT1 5 losing streak 
solid spear
I mean
we never say anything bad anyway
Sojum thinks things but he doesnt say them
toxic yacht
I don't think anything
rapid oxide
I think too