I don't think I've rushed to his defense once
#esports-discussion
limber pine
spring lintel
That pepe face is fucking disturbing as fuck
clever portal
Which one
spring lintel
The one rachel uses
clever portal
blazing parrot
most of these comments are so stupid
"spriteguy literally refuses to talk about most things in public, which is a red flag" 
supple nymph
King SpriteGuy
I'm surprised noone made a connection to the chinese invasion Team Sprite Rogue stuff
clever wagon
limber pine
supple nymph
who would be head mod now?
balmy wolf
Probably euro
wintry matrix
compow turned into 3rdreichow confirmed
supple nymph
@balmy wolf π£
i mean
i dont know if you're serious
i dont have any problem with euro
balmy wolf
i like euro
supple nymph
but... might be some 'friction' there
probably not a great idea to have a head mod that runs his mouth everywhere
where a bunch of people in the community have some kind of feud with him for some reason
wintry matrix
honestly i'd prefer to just keep silent in these matters and just posting as normal
and whatever they don't allow it you go somewhere else
usually works
supple nymph
your head mod makes a comment and 20 people start going crazy and shitting on him
then it has -50 karma
doesnt look good for the sub lol
wintry matrix
what sucks about that is that whatever construtctive criticism there is is drowned by angry/dumb/impatient/ignorant mob
like very often barking at the wrong tree
spring lintel
Taimou called out necro
Confirmed hacker and scripter
It's not confirmed but he thinks so at least
And I thinks so too
wintry matrix
who is he?
spring lintel
Necro is supposedly the best player that uses genji's ult
BUT lots of people think he is cheating
And now tiamou said he is a known EU cheater/scripter
wintry matrix
one thing that i wondered is why taimou signed in for the WC, seeing as he so burnout
maybe the atmosphere is fun, dunno
balmy wolf
He probably wants to play with his compariots
But more likely he was on board before the burnout was seeping in
Sydney is full of key match up tho
Unlike Shanghai
In fact every qualifiers except Shanghai has key matchups
So this should be good
better take this experience, go back to Las Vegas and just grind the game out until Contenders S1
They have 3 weeks to do it. Should help them truly get back to shape
wintry matrix
Hopefully production will be better
i dunno, i always have the feeling that deep down, the top players give 0 fucks about the WC
and isn't the problem with rogue their lack of adaptation (on the rare times) that their style fail?
balmy wolf
I mean if Blizzard hired ESL then the production in theory should be better
As far as Rogue, i think that angle of criticism is overrated to a degree
Considering that they trailblazed a whole meta
And has a shitload of game tape on them
They has show degree of steady evolution
But everytime without fails people would bring up their "inability to adapt"
Meanwhile everyone and their mom is diving the way that Rogue showed
wintry matrix
that's why i said on the rare times that their style failed (even as in maps took, not even lost matches)
although it may be just because of the meta
i fully expect them to be capable to show more stuff, even more if they bring a coach
balmy wolf
One of their underrated aspect is nerve of steel and ability to adapt mid game
How many times they looked vulnerable and then pulled out a win? A lot
They reverse swept 
and Selfless, and clutched it out against 
Which is why they are my favorite team
wintry matrix
but that's the thing, was that really adaptation, or just better execution of their ways?
or stuff like clutch plays from one of them
clever wagon
I mean I don't see how better execution and "adapting" are mutually exclusive
I think there's a lot of minute details that might be different when they do "adapt" - such as execution timings, how they react, how they initiate, when to use which ability/ult, etc etc
Which, those in and of itself can also be "better execution/adapting"
It sounds like to you "adapting" is strictly changing team comp to counter
balmy wolf
Or rather, to reddit
clever wagon
Or that
balmy wolf
I would type out some example but im tired lol
Literally earlier today in my coaching session with my team
clever wagon
I think I can make a simple example
There's this Zen/Lucio player "A" who usually uses their ult on an initiative basis rather than reactive
After studying how Genji/Soldier player B, their opponent, A's team changes their strat to bait B's ult rather than initiating engagements with those support ults
Without necessarily making a change in hero picks
I don't know how you wouldn't call that "adapting"
wintry matrix
could be, have in mind that i'm a plat scrub that can't really tell these things live
clever wagon
Neither can I, but point stands.
but what the hell
red anvil
crisp lynx
it was *fan club card promotion. 
feral solar
crisp lynx
kongdoo black eyes membership costs ~$180 a year, cheapest white membership costs $30 including tex.
pine star
balmy wolf
So is MEGA now a 9 man roster?
crisp lynx
clever portal
Watching Uncia vs LGE
balmy wolf
Uncia is playing Evil?
Chinese vs KR......
not KR vs NA
oh is there a chinese team called LGE?
clever portal
LinGan e-Sports
toxic yacht
lul
crisp lynx
NL vs Russia is 3-0 now.
clever portal
Was mistakes even known before contenders
clever portal
No 
clever portal
Why?
New Runaway playing now
Tizi playing Winston
Jjanu DVa
x6 same roster
If anyone wants to watch
clever portal
Runaway looking good
Might go up 2-0
2-0
Ez game
Atleast Haksal is not playing Winston anymore
Even Haksal on Zen is fine
balmy wolf
balmy wolf
Rapha
It was Rapha who is retired from OW
As I said 3 minutes ago
just for clarification
woeful bay
what's a dva delay
wanton bronze
you mean stalling with dva?
you put a dva on the point
or do you mean like delaying dva after you de mech her
woeful bay
de mech
balmy wolf
CC
wanton bronze
If dva is the the last to die then people will body block, CC etc
to stop dva from suiciding
balmy wolf
here's a clip of it in action https://clips.twitch.tv/CarefulEndearingSeahorseDAESuppy
wanton bronze
you stall out the enemy teams next push by a good while
clever wagon
Is there anything live now
woeful bay
Thanks
balmy wolf
No there isnt
clever portal
Is that scrim over?
balmy wolf
what scrim
clever portal
NL Vs RU
balmy wolf
yes
Russian team looks like they are having the Runaway syndrome
got the second place of World Cup
only to drop off the next
toxic yacht
it's a trademark, you have to aggressively persue that shit in order to protect it
I'm not a lawyer, so I wouldn't know if taht's really too evil and requires persuit or whatever, but trademarks kinda are like that
balmy wolf
they probably need a better logo anyway
and honestly, OWL is kind of a dumb name
Overwatch Premiere League? Overwatch Premiere Series?
there are like a bunch of other less stupid sounding acronym they could have work with
OPS is taken and the first one is just adding an unneeded and stupid sound premiere
Overwatch League is quick and to the point
too simplistic for a league that is supposedly the premiere one
Sure
solid spear
Seems fine to me
We literally have National Football league, National Hockey League and Major League Baseball
Dont have to sound complex for the sake of sounding complex
balmy wolf
mind you, the equivalent of Overwatch League for those is literally just "Football League", "Hockey League" and "League Baseball"
from a branding perspective, one could argue that the branding isn't specific enough to indicate that this is the highest level of OW (supposedly)
but what the fuck do i know about branding
Yeah what do you know
just some business marketing degree
/s
wary falcon
Txao has good zarya
But his Tracer is below average
even he admitted it
and Blizzard won't release patch with dive nerf
toxic yacht
Katowice qualifiers in a month 
toxic yacht
Dunno if the patch will be out by then, and if it's on the tournament realm it definitely isn't
wary falcon
But Ru team need to win over Canada to get easier seed
toxic yacht
But well, we had disconnects on fucking LAN
wary falcon
Basically Canada is stronger than Russia and if Russia will get 2nd place in group
they will face SK
toxic yacht
wary falcon
solid spear
Better beat Canada lul
balmy wolf
@toxic yacht yes, but we are dealing with 
"oh let's have these LAN online"
most of these qualifiers won't be on LAN
except maybe the Burbank one
if Overwatch Pacific Championship, Premier Series are LAN league but still no LAN client
and after the Shanghai qualifier
I doubt they will actually get these place a proper tournament realm
@wary falcon somebody better pay SDB some visit to a psychologist
he might get triggered from the final of last year
solid spear
4 IMT players and 3 Carpe accounts in top 8 NA lul
clever portal
Koreans stealing our top 500 places
solid spear
@buoyant zinc of course π
buoyant zinc
#ThrowForDafran
solid spear
#Throw4Dafran
clever portal
He ended throw4dafran
solid spear
Itll live on in our hearts
thick cosmos
So this elc legend series tourney has a 3k prizepool and a lan finals
And so far ence, esuba, for the win esports, helsinki reds, Vivi's adventure and wizards esports are invited. ???
balmy wolf
Looking like Vivi's will take it atm
thick cosmos
Yea
clever portal
Atleast Blizzard production is better than PGL
jagged crater
Hahha
It wouldn't be a cs tournament without tech issues
even a major
Eleague and mlg were anomolies.
balmy wolf
for once, people can't blame NA for the production anymore lulz
clever portal
jagged crater
what is the purpose of having another ladder like faceit? Wouldnt it be better just to improve the current one?
dota 2 community hates PGL now since they fucked up shanghai 2016
clever portal
Basically when the parent company refuses to change the ladder
People change to other ones
One large reason to switch is performance sr, which they've left in the game a year past launch
SK 
pallid dirge
Faceit is a subscription service, so the point is that you don't get a lot of trolls in your games.
balmy wolf
@jagged crater basically paying more for a better service
wintry matrix
btw, seeing that post on cow about csgo production problems, are they frequent in csgo? (and in other established ones like LOL and Dota for that matter)
wintry matrix
i wonder if we're being too hard on bliss seing that
not that we shouldn't criticize the production problems like in the shanghai qualifier, as they were quite shite
toxic yacht
normally blizzard productions are always pretty solid, but the last and only time we saw an actual blizzard production was the world cup
"normally"
clever portal
I think it's valid criticism
toxic yacht
shanghai qualifiers was by banana culture
you can (and should) criticize blizz for not having particularily great quality control though
wintry matrix
i know, i just wondered if the standard itself in esports is low
balmy wolf
@wintry matrix for the most part, this major has been a bit of a let down
considering the last two (ELeague and MLG Columbus) went through smooth as silk
but apparently only in CSGO
is where EU Production is actually a meme
not NA 
wary falcon
Current major problems
RE WEIRD
caps
Overheat perphaps
And shorty polish internet
Shitty
Its only this channel lagging forme
"(
wintry matrix
seems fake, but Jake follows it
balmy wolf
even Harsha and CaptainPlanet is confused themselves lol
Im going to take a wild guess and say its fake
lmao the tweet was deleted
clever portal
What was the tweet?
balmy wolf
"We're playing in America for our group stage, where do you want us to play lists some cities"
something along those lines
wintry matrix
it's probably the cousin of the guy who runs the pr
balmy wolf
Why is it called the burbank qualifier then
supple nymph
clever portal
I'm actually sure even the website said Burbank, but it was removed
Would explain why they're not selling tickets yet
limber pine
so thoughtful of kyky to let us know
supple nymph
if you sticky it like that doesn't that fuck it up so people dont see it
clever portal
Someone downvoted half the comments
limber pine
no
supple nymph
ok
limber pine
AMA's always get stickied, unless you're one r/IAMA or r/AMA
clever portal
No S4 NV 
solid spear
Gud
is going to be trouble
pine star
I so want to see Flash Wolves play in an international stage
clever portal
S4 best raw talent
pine star
I mean, he was allegedly not a Pharah main, picked her up and mechanically rekt fools
balmy wolf
"I don't think I've ever mentioned this anywhere, but Grimreality was one of the hardest people to let go from the tryouts. The guy is a monster with a super solid teamwork personality for the game. We took a very risky gamble with Jake and Sinatraa that is more focused on flexibility than picking a pure hitscan player."
pine star
@balmy wolf HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
supple nymph
i guess armour packs?
pine star
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Good lord
My poor pancreas lmfao
balmy wolf
I'm not even going to watch that shit out of my own dignity
pine star
"Advanced guide"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I swear I can't even rn
pine star
Isn't that Mercy?
balmy wolf
lolz
Torb in theory can counter dive comp
but only if you lose the first 2 teamfights
supple nymph
it sounds fine in theory
but i dont usually see it work that well even in ranked
turret gets killed then he's half a hero
balmy wolf
his shotgun does really good amount of damage, if anything. But again, lack of mobility, and shit hitbox
so you know.
supple nymph
if winston dives the turret and puts down a shield
works as good as any other hero
which is not that well
wintry matrix
wasn't the Orisa/Torb strat made for that?
pine star
Also, DM on top of the turret is a thing
solid spear
Orisa/Torb is bad on most maps and barely usable on the others
balmy wolf
"That's a very tricky question, so I'll just keep it short. No, I don't think we would have got out of groups with the old roster. I think it's in everyone's best interest that western teams aren't invited to APEX anymore. That environment has literally broken every team that has been there. NO team has survived it. This also allows the western scene to grow without the "oh but this means nothing because rogue and envy arent here.""
LITERALLY BROKEN EVERY TEAM THAT HAS BEEN THERE
so, who want to go to Korea now?
solid spear
I mean going to a foreign country for months or in NVs case the better part of a year in a hotel where you dont speak the language to compete against top talent will obviously be quite a bit to handle
balmy wolf
people underrated the fatigue that came with it
pine star
That's understandable
balmy wolf
"About partying; I'd say its half and half, for the OW scene. I don't know if going into details here is a good thing, but there was a funny moment during Eleague where Internethulk came down to the hotel lobby with my C9 jersey on, screaming that he's KyKy."
if you're going to keep linking comments from the ama, link the question rather than the answer
nah the answer has the nugget that i want to post
then just copy paste it
balmy wolf
"C9 back then had leadership, it had people that wanted to play together in and out of Overwatch, and it had a more proper, although not perfect set of personalities to thrive within a team.
deBett, reaver, Adam, and myself were all very teamwork oriented and played around Surefour, which really allowed his skill and talent to excel. Grego was our Lucio assassin, and his widow was very good with some of our setups. When people say Surefour has fallen off, I don't agree with that. I think C9 has moved into a poor decision to attempt forcing a team of "only star players." I am not trying to bash any of them as players, it's just not the right team philosophy for this game."
solid spear
Fates english is super good
balmy wolf
he is streaming?
solid spear
Idk...but Im watching Agilities and theyre duoing plus he was in the AMA with Verbo and Agilities
balmy wolf
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/blog/20874322 Sydney blog is up
clever wagon
@solid spear where was the video again? I feel like I've seen the thumbnail but I didn't open it
solid spear
The IMT AMA?
clever wagon
YEh
solid spear
clever wagon
Ty
supple nymph
small basin
kr master raisin
wintry matrix
NOVX WOULD HAVE KILLED EVERYONE
solid spear
Twoeasy bouta get kicked
supple nymph
balmy wolf
default win 
balmy wolf
As someone who plays in open div EU its a fuckfest
I don't know if its the same in NA but i assume it is
Serious teams like CLG and Tempo might have had to forfeit a match or drop out entirely due to tournaments
or could have gotten fucked because of roster changes or something like that
ala slikthread
so take it all with a big grain of salt
@crisp lynx
solid spear
interesting
supple nymph
tired escarp
lol
clever wagon
I feel bad for the roster but it's gonna π₯ to Slasher if USA lost to teams who are not tryhard enough they stream showmatches
Why u have to be US Slasher, I feel bad for the roster
wintry matrix
does slasher even matters to team usa?
i'd only be worried if the comitte took him seriously
pine star
Slasher 
valid grotto
slahser 
gusty notch
he probably doesnt but he was like trying to involve himself with the process i think
rapid oxide
Slasher 
lean haven
@rapid oxide Whats SK for?
silk phoenix
are you soe the caster?
solid spear
No hes just in love
toxic yacht
Everyone is in love with Soe
feral solar
S O E 
digital apex
@tired escarp
vestal mortar
π
clever wagon
@vestal mortar are you two-timing Jehong
wanton bronze
the schedules for the Syndey games is brutal
let me just wake up at 1am to watch these games
dull edge
sydney gets live esports though
isnt the part of the world championships at the star casino
clever portal
Atleast NA gets to watch I guess
clever portal
Penta 
wary falcon
yeah, they are so overrated fucks
kRYSTAL especially
got 30 downvotes for this yesterday
it's like people don't understand why Penta got so many rounds against SK
Also, Penta still have a chance because of Vega disability to finish
wary falcon
yeah expected
Vega always had this kind of problems
they don't feel rhytm of the game
and afraid of tactical pauses
it costed them a lot of games earlier
and now on Major
forest raven
This CSGO?
wary falcon
yeah
14-16
now CEO of Vega Squadron will thank this team for major et cetera
and they won't fix any problems with their team spirit
just another shitty CIS org/team
forest raven
This is an Overwatch server, this channel is for discussion about all things Overwatch esports. If you wish to discuss CSGO, or any other title, it won't be here.
clever portal
toxic yacht
:pray:
rapid oxide
Rename it as esport then
red anvil
and have it be more messy pls no
rapid oxide
EsportS imply all the esport
toxic yacht
kinda
clever portal
CS talk π―
forest raven
Much like #lore-discussion and #overwatch-serious are only for Overwatch, this channel is only for Overwatch esports
toxic yacht
π
vestal mortar
π
vestal mortar
Thanks Draw π
wary falcon
Miraculous Youngster
NC Foxes
red anvil
if i started discussing WoW lore in lore discussion i'd have have my booty kicked by jewvia π π
wary falcon
OW Esports
spring lintel
We need overwatch esport channel
clever portal
Who reported us 
vestal mortar
clever portal
Was it you @vestal mortar π
wary falcon
It's just waiting room for tier-1 / tier-2 matches
nobody gives a fuck about NC Foxes
rapid oxide
@lean haven SK Gaming
There's an non announced german team and SK is based on Cologne so...
clever portal
@wary falcon flame discord has cs channel, or come to taimou discord
rapid oxide
Not everyone give a fuck about csgo
toxic yacht
then why do people want to discuss it here?
rapid oxide
Looks like some here care
clever portal
Because no mods usually here
rapid oxide
But i don't most of the time
Ill watch only the final major or when SK is playing but that's it
CSGO can die i wouldn't give a fuck anyway
clever portal
pls no
Btw the Taimou/S4 discussion was just like I thought
There was nothing in those messages that suggested he was moving to NV
clever portal
Yes, the assumption was Taimou won't play S1 and they would need a replacement
But now taimou has confirmed he will play
I'm guessing Taimou changed his mind, or got some news
red anvil
he's probably crossing fingers for death to mandatory dive
clever portal
Probably coming with some event
Hoping the skins aren't too good
Or I'll need to reinstall
spring lintel
Why are you guys assuming dive will die with the patch?
clever portal
Dive won't die, just hoping more heroes get picked
Some weeks Winston has gotten 100% pickrate
toxic yacht
dive dying would be shit
clever portal
I'll be happy if you could atleast run Rein on Kings Row
spring lintel
I would be happy to see hog, zarya, mccree getting piccked more
clever portal
π for 20% rein pickrate
Because that's the lowest winston got even in the height of tank 'cancer' meta
Can we talk about cs again 
red anvil
i miss clutch shatters and gravitons so much
vestal mortar
Me too, I hope there will be more Zarya and rein again soon.
clever wagon
As always, I'm just lowkey hoping for another APEX S2 meta
clever wagon
We've actually been there in the most diverse days of the game to date and it's kinda redundant for me to wish for something else
Prolly just merge the McCree and Reaper buffs in
red anvil
And people praised him for being top tier sombra
toxic yacht
he had like, 2 map losing EMPs on lijiang
they'd likely have won the map if he hadn't fucked up
clever portal
Winston needed a buff
wanton bronze
nerfed rein and introduced 50 bugs for him ):
forest raven
clever portal
Has the ptr actually fixed him?
Haven't tried it out
The patch notes claim charge is fixed
I wonder if shatter on stairs is fixed
wanton bronze
the patch supposedly went through. Whether or not its fixed him I dont know. Would be nice to see Rein more often though.
forest raven
narrow sphinx
Crap i wouln't be able to see the matches of spain
In my timezone these will be made when im in the job
plucky vortex
twitch phone app?
narrow sphinx
Repeat
I will be working
I can't see it at least when its broadcasted
I will probably watch it hours later
red anvil
Lui just wants a stronger team or is he not wanted with Faze?
wintry matrix
i think the rumor was that he was cut, but i dunno
balmy wolf
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6ny7is/when_will_nrgs_roster_come_out/ there's something to be said about a thread of NRG and insta-20 comments the night before
red anvil
4 tank meta NRG confirmed
balmy wolf
geezus fucks, why do you people still having affection for NRG "we crashed way too many times now" ?
red anvil
i really want to see NRG succeed, they got an amazing dps duo now
a pretty darn good offtank as well
balmy wolf
like the last 3 millions time everyone got their hopes up and promptly facing the cold hard reality?
balmy wolf
i wouldn't if I were you
just a matter of time before he exploded again just like in Fnatic
he shined in Fnatic for exactly one time before he just streamed and somehow managed to stay relevant while on the bench ala Seagull
so I guess on that part it fits. Team of so-called stars that never got it together on actual match.
vestal mortar
π€
wintry matrix
i care for the players
and i'd say you're a bit too harsh on both, tho you're not wrong they have a lot to prove yet
red anvil
Sure, hes yet to truely prove he's insane in the pro scene, but he is really good at shotcalling, insane mechachanicly, and good at keeping team spirit up
Winz had nothing bad to say about him even tho they ditched him from the team
vestal mortar
There is nothing wrong with people enjoying supporting player/teams they like, even if they preform poorly. No need to be so negative.
balmy wolf
I mean my friend deep inside Fnatic OW team told me all about IDDQD's rather "interesting" activities back when he was with the team so I generally have no sympathy for IDDQD
people geting kicked/benched are for a reason
wintry matrix
assuming it's true, he could have changed
balmy wolf
possibly, but apparently Seamoose has had some issue reining this all stars team because surprise, some people doesn't listen to their coach
toxic yacht
holy shit mendo in GoT
balmy wolf
NA mentality struck again
lol Mendo "I jump teams more than rabbit jump fence" kusaii
wintry matrix
shit, only now i realized Mendo was in doctor who, man OW is hella good publicity
clever portal
@toxic yacht no spoilers
balmy wolf
lolz
toxic yacht
I don't even watch GoT, lul
red anvil
no spoilers there, really
red anvil
i mean Arya was mistaken to be a boy most of the series
vestal mortar
I love esports
toxic yacht
Mendo was mistaken to be a girl during most of his career
Got into C9 because of diversity
when bishop, who is a true weeb
and knows traps when he sees them
unmasked mendo, he got benched
wintry matrix
esports are too good
balmy wolf
so now that FaZe kicked Lui out, which city in the East Coast that FaZe got for their OWL spot? π€
balmy wolf
lolz
vestal mortar
Oh noey
balmy wolf
in the East Coast there's New York, Miami-Orlando, and Boston
toxic yacht
thank mr wolfman
balmy wolf
assuming everything is fine and dandy, they might get another city
Philadephia FaZe? π€
clever portal
I want to see 5 hour energy β’ Detroit renegades
toxic yacht
detroit isn't among the initial 7 cities, but who knows how they'll expand
balmy wolf
I mean if you want a team that a. never really plays well when Mangachu has to play anything other than Pharah and b. always collapse on playoff
then feels free to do so lulz
clever portal
The question is, which city does Alicus like
balmy wolf
he probably prefers to be on the EU side of things
nV spot waiting room ResidentSleeper
clever portal
Alicus could go Berlin or Cairo
clever portal
Hanzo meta
balmy wolf
Widow meta 2.0 "this time it is Hanzo"
clever portal
Give widow 1 shot like cod pls
feral solar
balmy wolf
one suggestion was making Widow's scoped shot bolt action
while keeping the old charge
toxic yacht
I'd also give her a secondary weapon that she could swap out of and swap back to. Then give her 2 scoped views and also make her do 300 damage everywhere except the legs
balmy wolf
buh muh gold players
clever portal
Maybe reduced damage no scope
toxic yacht
I basically wanted her to be the awp for memes, but that'd be stupid broken in OW
lul
clever portal
Why, this isn't NA 
Stop kicking players when you're doing well 
It's like lunatic hai winning apex and then kicking whoru
Oh wait 
red anvil
WhereAreU, come back to us 
clever portal
If he's not there at Finals
As in not even on the bench
Its safe to assume he's gone
red anvil
i just wish they were open what he did
clever portal
Coup against esca 
red anvil
i dont think he's gone though, unless he gets bought up by seoul which is a clear possibility
wintry matrix
he's not gone, the coach said is just a penalty thing
he will be back, it's actually good that this happen so gido has a chance to mesh in well and prove himself
red anvil
they also said they would come with a date with a later time
but not heard anything
giving a date is tbh stupid against KDP though, better if they dont know if he'll be in finals or not
clever portal
Maybe it's 4D chess
Whoru has been secretly training his genji
They don't expect the genji, sombra
toxic yacht
"The ideal setup for Overwatch I think is 3 true supports, and 3 allstars. Pick and choose which roles they fill, but that's a strong belief I have for this game."
interesting point made my kyky in the ama
note that old rogue (
) had pretty much the same, or at least a very similar setup
LH also has this going for them, Mickie nV has that setup
Runaway also did
same with meta athena, old misfits and NiP (although they were only stronk in the tank meta)
balmy wolf
The new Rogue roughly has the same set up
Soon AKM and Unkoe being the all stars
Knoxxx and Winz being the supports
While NicoGDH is strangely wedged between
blazing parrot
Twitter
toxic yacht
:slowpoke:
clever portal
:slowpoke:
pine star
:slowpoke:
toxic yacht
ya, rogue still has a pretty similar one. Nico kinda wedges in and out of those roles depending on whether he's playing dva or genji
eUnited is also pretty much the same
IMT too, now agilities doesn't have to carry 5 people anymore
pine star
Yeah
toxic yacht
I never actually realized how most good teams were kinda structured like taht
pine star
Now Kariv does 
blazing parrot
nice emote loser
toxic yacht
but in all seriousness, the degree to which agilities was being focused was crazy
blazing parrot
@toxic yacht
toxic yacht
he could barely pull out a sword without getting shot at by 10 people
blazing parrot
toxic yacht
and whenever they failed to focus him he consistently got triple and quad kills
solid spear
...
pine star
toxic yacht
tozic sullli
pine star
clever portal
Oreo told to shut up even when he didn't say anything
solid spear
Oh wait the 18th is almost over in Korea
solid spear
Should hear from Nus/MA soon if we havent already
clever portal
SK vs X6 tomorrow
solid spear
No SK vs KDP they scared smh
toxic yacht
south korea vs kdp
solid spear
They dont want KDP :>
clever portal
Actually hard to find someone to play against
AFB/LWB/LH have players on the team
And a lot of teams are rebuilding
toxic yacht
oh yeh, rogue mentioned pharmercy being a weakness if theirs
note that flow3r is on South Korea
solid spear
Maybe theyll remove them by November
toxic yacht
π
balmy wolf
quick, someone
break Fl0wer's wrist
or at least send him enough fap material to ruin his wrist
limber pine
O_o
clever portal
Leave him alone
solid spear
Just saw the Lui stuff... wonder if they were the team tying to get saya 
clever portal
All depends if they even have an OWL spot
solid spear
Feels like that Carpe stuff is a wrap tbh
solid spear
Players arent turning down big money from confirmed OWL teams
toxic yacht
also, according to leaks that said Lui was cut a week before we knew it, FaZe got a major east coast city for the OWL
solid spear
In general
toxic yacht
kinda amazing
solid spear
Yeah
toxic yacht
how FaZe hasn't given up on their OW Roster yet
wintry matrix
Shadowburn
toxic yacht
I was a 100% sure that they were gonna drop them
balmy wolf
teams that are not giving up on their roster = potential OWL investor
and sayaplayer to is something I never know I wanted until I know it
balmy wolf
Carpe and Sayaplayer both has wider hero pool
and arguably better than them from a skill standpoint
solid spear
Yeah but Saya doesnt wanna come over at least atm
And I mentioned Carpe I just dont know his situation
toxic yacht
saya can actually play every hitscan hero at a super high level
which is nice
since a lot of players are apparently incapable of doing that
balmy wolf
I mean, not everyone is AKM level of hitscan
where his McCree, Tracer, 76 and Reaper is all top tier
even @solid spear's dad said his McCree is kind of shite
solid spear
For pro standards its not good and defintely much worse than his Tracer, 76 and even Genji
Idk Faze probably already knows who theyre getting
Well see
toxic yacht
FaZe Talespin π¦
balmy wolf
people needs to stop pineing for old talents lolz
toxic yacht
I'm just memeing, he'd be a terrible pickup
literally the only thing he'd bring is tracer and maybe hog
balmy wolf
hog in current year
toxic yacht
balmy wolf
I mean people are getting hyped about Mendo getting tryouts
and i'm just here sitting here thinking "why would you want someone who team jumped like crazy?"
solid spear
Eh C9 stuff is weird though we dont know exactly what happened with that
Especially since S4 may be against his current team too
And he goes through teammates on c9 regularly
solid spear
C9 has had like 15 players or some shit in the past year it feels like
vestal mortar
π€
balmy wolf
@wintry matrix Mendo has went through like 4 different teams now, and given how the tight the whole pro community is, i'm not surprise if some teams are really aversed against him
especially of course that whole coup thing
wintry matrix
eh, i dunno, if i were an org i wouldn't judge by these terms, there's so much drama bullshit
balmy wolf
the Winz interview certainly did not do him any favor
wintry matrix
also remember someone saiying that 80% of the proccess of entering the pro scene is contats and friends
which winz interview?
wintry matrix
but it feels like high school
solid spear
Yeah that Winz interview also shat on Mendo while kinds praising idd and the latter had some sort of issue on Fnatic 
balmy wolf
that's what you get for having the Western scene congregated in one discord
the problem with Mendo is that it is not strictly about his performance as much as about his conducts.
as far as what i know he is pretty much an insomniac and of course it affects his performance
and of course other stuffs too
solid spear
Eh Faze wasnt performing and c9 is a situation none of us should pretend to actually know about and thats the only teams hes been on in the last 15 months
wintry matrix
i mean, the winz stuff is years ago isn't?
balmy wolf
I have a feeling there will be a difference between 16-17 year old mendo and 18-19 year old mendo
but maybe thats just me
toxic yacht
balmy wolf
there's a reason why he has had streamed for a while before getting pick up by C9. No EU team was touching him.
toxic yacht
I used to be irrational until I watched logix play tbh
vestal mortar
Lol
pine star
Sojum pls
solid spear
Can play against Miami Cwoosh in OWL 
balmy wolf
Cwoosh to 
Misfits needs more carry players and less supportive player. Right now their carry is only Tviq, and Manneten with Nevix I think is more supportive type
Cwoosh to would bring them so much firepower
solid spear
If they're going for full Swede Manneten upgrades are gonna be hard to find
But Cwoosh 
pine star
I've been disappointed by Nevix' performance tbh
balmy wolf
I mean Mendo has always been there but good luck buying his contract out of
he is still streaming with tag and shit
balmy wolf
Remember when C9Jack told everyone that Mendo was only in bench because of his visa? 
pine star
Solid PR 10/10
balmy wolf
like at this point if you are trusting any pros' on stream comments about anything beyond face value
you are stupidly naive
as if InternetHulk getting cut from nV and then on twitter he said that he merely "did not sign a contract" wasn't enough to show how much smoke and mirror this whole pro scene is
wintry matrix
i think the hulk situation could have been him as a sub and he declined that, seeing that time nv wanted a 7th, but yeah for all purposes it was a cut
balmy wolf
in flamecord he did specifically stated that it was a cut
and it was because well, Lui was playing with the team and someone has the idea that "wait, if Lui is playing this well, why do we have Hulk"
and then months later Lui got kicked over EFFECT
so you know
wintry matrix
i dunno
i'd like hulk as a coach, but kyky was already there
maybe his winston as a sub?
balmy wolf
I mean Hulk has been doing work for 
so i'm fine with that
toxic yacht
I mean, he pretty much built the team
wintry matrix
like, what even can hulk play outside of putting harry on 76 and him going lucio?
wintry matrix
oh i know, it's definetely sad, i'm just wondering from a team building perspective
toxic yacht
felt like a relatively good team leader and and kinda smart outside of the game
definitely not the best mechanically, but he brought a lot to the team imo
wintry matrix
kinda like Runner
solid spear
I mean the problem was that that as good as Harry was on 76 his dps pool was too shallow for them to have flexibility with him on dps so it ultimately came down to Hulk or Harry
toxic yacht
harry is a really good tracer, apparently
balmy wolf
I wonder what liquid is going to do about rapha
pine star
KyKy isn't a strategic coach anyway, is he?
toxic yacht
and his soldier is servicable at best
balmy wolf
@balmy wolf looking for new shotcaller, that's what
solid spear
well theres like Dhak, Psychowaffle, Phaz, I guess could bring overNeptuno or buyout Zave?
balmy wolf
I'd flip my table if Ajax ended up on
Yeah thanks i definitely didnt know that already
pine star
Zave is free already
solid spear
oh didnt know
balmy wolf
@balmy wolf you welcome.
pine star
Pretty sure he's a fa rn
toxic yacht
ya, he's free
wintry matrix
for a long while
pine star
lol Vonethil still exists
balmy wolf
Vonethil got benched in Fnatic for being on a downward spiral so probably not
k
an NA Lucio is probably a more realistic solution
production strike again
toxic yacht
wintry matrix
ffs
or maybe it's actually something hard to do, i know very little about logistics of these things
balmy wolf
well, Sydney has some internet cafe
and some of them has decent equipments to play OW and such
so that's a solution that these teams might be able to get
vestal mortar
No practice area at the venue?
balmy wolf
I assume no.
production
meanwhile https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6o1dvo/uk_scrims_in_50_mins_kruise/
wintry matrix
SIdney is ESL right?
toxic yacht
Electronic Schlong Long
wintry matrix
inb4 Hi-rez paid all these 3rd party production companies to succ so OW is kill and paladins rise
wintry matrix
OW hasn't give me the junkrat meta so i'll go to the next best thing which is bomb king meta
friendship ended
pine star
Pesto that you?
solid spear
racist
toxic yacht
not bad, just nothing of value
pine star
Same tbh
toxic yacht
disspecting
solid spear
that was intentional
toxic yacht
international
solid spear
a combination of diss and disrepecting
wintry matrix
"pesto tastes a bit like paper" π
solid spear
Apparently Logix just said on his stream hes scrimming with an NA today so...probs
Unless its like 
out of no wherr or something is most likely
balmy wolf
needs to stop wasting time with their roster
solid spear
?
balmy wolf
And let Shake go to a better team
Their roster has been NA mid tier for how fucking long
solid spear
Ye if you're not undisputed top 5 in your region give up, disband, blow it up, find new games
clever portal
NA contenders was stacked
No shame in coming third to liquid and faze
Selfless was in the same group as well
balmy wolf
Mind you their roster was signed a back in MLG Vegas, and for the amount of time between there and now
Teams with better records has disbanded
has been painfully mid tier to the point that idk if anyone want to buy up
If Selfless didnt then no way in hell. would
clever portal
Sopti is typing π
crisp lynx
yes
http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=4538&l=2786814
summary from meta owner massan announcement
- Nus is released, it will be announced official in 21st july.
- Saya will play as athena next season
- instead of nus, Hyeonu(ex-wnv) will play as sub healer.
- signing with coach royal lord is expired.
- Klocky downgrades to sub. He make certain trouble. couldnt say detail due to protect him.
- dps recuiting announcement was for Belium, not athena
- saya... is our best.
and he did AMA also today
http://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=themeta&no=10496
it's too long to write here.
solid spear
crisp lynx
he posted it inven, and AMA in dcinside.
clever portal
No disband π
solid spear
Oh sopti have you heard anything about this or just random rumors https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6ny7is/when_will_nrgs_roster_come_out/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=new&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=Competitiveoverwatch
toxic yacht
that's should explain why they put hyeonu into the support position during PTR matches
taimou's sombra tilted nus' zen so hard that he quit
solid spear
rip
wintry matrix
NIP died for them
solid spear
Well my assumption if this is true
crisp lynx
Gamsu said he is not.
solid spear
Ah
balmy wolf
Harb, num, gamsu, daily
solid spear
Theyd probably do a 7 man roster
And put Num back on Lucio
But if Gamsu said no that's squashed anyway
crisp lynx
Didnt harbleu played ANA in scrim?
solid spear
Idk if he did thats probably a meme
pine star
Harbleu, Ana
crisp lynx
I think I got wrong.
solid spear
No Gamsu 
crisp lynx
daily played Dva well in mvp.