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she is Winz's GF though ๐ค
He's already picked her up though? @balmy wolf
or is that a joke
But he already has picked her up so..?
shakes his head
that's the joke
wat
you just said it wasn't a joke
i misunderstood the question
im talking about unkoe and sombra
yeah but not playing it like DDX
still only a pocket strat on 2CP
Threesome with Soe and Liz 
you missed Sopti's update
half of Meta left the team
none of them seems to be leaving for an NA org


there's something to be said about the meta being stale when one of the most original team has to play dive as well
Meta Athena, and yes it's Bellum the name
I watched whole season of challengers
Don't remember their names
except Ehome meatshield
God i hate the girl casting csgo
Pansy?
it's cool tho to see a girl casting, considering i never saw one
Pansy
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Pansy casted my favorite moment in competitive cs:go
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See a doctor
Don't see anything bad at watching best esports with most dynamic and interesting gameplay
Its even more chaotic than Overwatch
Graphic is trash
Gave up... There's nothing to watch then 
@wary falcon it was a joke
Honestly, I'm not sure what it is, but I find it hard to watch Paladins gameplay
same
paladins looks like they made overwatch in the wow engine
or at least with the same bland art style

yeah, it looks very flat
Thailand vs France
argentina hasn't faced thai yet
All thailand game and zero China game
wouldn't bother with Honk Kong or Romania, just avoid group A pretty much
Hong Kong vs Romania was a throw-off
Who would throw harder?
The china matches were kinda cool tho with how dominating they were
the same reason some watch Rogue in AMM of past
apparently Hong Kong like to stand by while watching the payload reach the end goal
I'll check out the thailand games
Also, I learned Envy has 3 soldier players
mickie is actually a dps main
he only picked up off-tanks for the last world cup
picked up dva because meta
Shame we barely ever see it
Not to mention that Harryhook can go off on Soldier if Envy ever wants to
he actually played her during the tank meta
at the end of it
during the final apex matches from envy during S2
then he went back to lucio
i think that was after tank meta, when NV was figuring out what to do
but like, learn as in really near
ya, it was right after the patch that killed the tank meta
his track was great, but he didn't seem well adjusted with her abilities
like, first few apex matches were still on the tank patch
then after that we got the first anti-tank patches
Anyone know why Mickie's Zarya is average?
he played zarya then
He seems to have decent game sense
dunno
But his Zarya is probably the same level as a NA zarya
hulk picked him up for his zarya
it was a rough time for NV in general
because mickie has insane tracking
hulk was actually super impressed by his zarya
so he kept him in mind
got him after tale ditched them and he just so happened to be an amazing dva
maybe NV didn't fit in a playstyle with Zarya?
nV would probably have ran zarya if dva hadn't been broken
if not micke would still be playing zarya
like, nV hated quad tank
they thought that it was a shite noob strat
they only played their own variant
timo hates everything that aint mccree or widow
for first point holds
"Mickie has insane tracking"Watch Mickie be the next Dafran, but he was stuck playing Dva for the past 7 months
lul
micke could have probably been an really good dps
he'll play dva until she stops being amazing
he played winston too in apex
Envy is like the opposite of that J3sus clip posted earlier, where almost everyone is a dps main
but yeah, envyus would most likely have put mickie on zarya if his dva hadn't been so good and she wouldn't have been broken
did they try mickie zarya in this apex season?
but due to the fact that they never ran quad tank, they only had space for either zarya or dva
seemed a good time to try
I dunno if he tried
Maybe with this next patch, Mickie Zarya will be a thing
iirc he only played torb and dva
oh yeah
true
winston
according to hulk he's their best winston
he played winston when they still tried to run cocco on rein
when they found out that it didn't work they just ran a standard dive with genji and 76
man, such a weirdass hero pool NV has
cocco played zarya a lifetime ago didn't he?
and their genji is their tracer
nV is very dependent on patch. And also EFFECT is effectively Talespin 1.5
and their other tracer is their dva
wonder how would that work with mickie winston
@rapid oxide I saw the stream, soe > rachel 
@wintry matrix that's what i suggested earlier
and their best monkey is dva
well
back in the day
they could have put mickie on monkey
and cocco on zarya
since cocco's zarya is nutty
is it still? zarya changed a lot
I mean, last time we saw him play her was at the ow open iirc, but i don't think that his zarya would magically become bad
either ow open or apex s1 groups
NIP 0-4 on csgo btw
Tbh
If Cocco shakes off a lil rust hes probably still a better Zarya than Mickie
He was literally a top 5 Zarya when he played her doubt hes not still super good
If meta changes to Zarya they should have no problem
my doubt comes most from the fact that things changed a lot, not only zarya but the way you play the game
Mickie monkey, and cocco Zarya
Or carryhook zarya
Chips can probably play Zarya better than Mickie
if the meta favours her again, finding a good zarya is probably gonna be envyus' smallest issue
Zarya as carry as she is
is not a hero that is hard to play
comparatively to Genji/Tracer anyway
every DPS knows how to play her, and so is every flex
so generally it is really not an issue.
http://i.imgur.com/Dg0nvgV.png I wasn't aware Draco Malfoy was Norwegian
i'd say bubble management is harder than genji
tho i guess they're different sets of skills
@kind obsidian and he got some Chinese grills that wants those Norwegian meats https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/TtCRlFJkabXQjEdNLxDeILm6Qr1VqpKI55RtTqTKLho/https/cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/178698794286710784/335330257412423681/POG.PNG?width=229&height=250
How many of them are KR fans coming over, I wonder
because a lot of the way they hold their phones and shit are APEX
meanwhile Chinese fans don't give a fuck about them being on camera
like that gal
it's fans from north korea since that borders on china /s
https://www.twitch.tv/esportsarena meanwhile
40K High School tournament 
i still love this
NA lan 
tfw some high school LAN has better production than the fucking World Cup 
that gfy

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It's actually nice that this high school tournament isn't dominated by dive
DC from LAN 
RIGGED
LOL
empty seats 
who wouldnt go see a local lan?
good thing nobody is thinking of doing that as a business model
Beach cities wearing rogue colors for good luck
At least I can finally see hog again 
it doesn't look very fun to be live at a esports lan
BO1 

Lmao at that emote name
Imagine being such a beta cucklord or mentally ill feminist you think ppl should ask permission to compliment someone
260

there's a wondeful function called block
Unironic people exists lol
can someone hook me up with the overwatch wolrd cup schedule?
also useful: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/overwatch/Main_Page
touche
Sideshow is on drug to place
at 10
been stuck in his shed too long
Argh, i sent Admirable my tier ranking, and he said he remembers it despite weeks of waiting from me
And then Sideshow come out with that
who's your 10
if it is top 10 unsposored or NA i can understand
Yeah he's definitely serious lol
@balmy wolf i rank them differently, but the bottom line is Arc6 belonged in the lowest tier, along side other NA onliners
okay so same top 10, minus arc6, just moved around?
mind you, before you jumped on me for placing
at tier 2, i provided explanations in my article
and i ran it through Harsha as well
and he mostly argreed with me with some slight disagreement about
and whether or not I placed
too high


it doesnt really make sense
If you want region ranks
well, tier 3 are people that are LAN tested.
Overgg elo is close enough
and only in KR that teams are LAN tested
meanwhile the rest of NA/EU is largely onliners
and I follow how CSGO does it with their rankings
LAN wins triumped all
yea but even if it's lan in kr you get 2 weeks to prepare
where na/eu is a marathon
It'll change though
comparing the rankings based on their performance in respective tournament types is like
wut
NA/EU will become a league as well
yes, that much I'm aware as well, but LAN is LAN nonetheless
and APEX is disgustingly stretched anyway
you can literally fit one season of APEX in a fucking month
Im kinda with Ford cuz like
NA and EU dont okay KR for the most part save a couple teams
I pointed it out myself with the way KR LAN play vs NA onliners, but LAN wins are LAN wins.
na/eu lans are even MORE marathons because they have to sit around all day waiting
whereas in online marathons they can jerk themselves off between matches
so it's totally different from KR lans
Its weird to rank regions against one another having never played them
you should post this on r/cow
waiting on Admirable to look over my article so that it can "maybe" be publish in over.gg
it is a fucking 2 weeks waiting room so far lolz
is he really going to dick sideshow by publishing an article about the same thing?
even though sideshows sucks
could be both
well Harsha did advised me on that
but over.gg will get better traction anyway
so i'm willing to wait
^my methodology
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/159383282?t=02h11m33s in other news though, my team won their first tournament!
that makes sense
but if we dont take online seriously we cant circle jerk about all the teams that mostly play online 
nice
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321840168845967370/335647707458961409/WarpMeta_Weekly_6.PNG the bracket was an abomination though
but Anime Is Real is a T2 team
so that works
you're off coaching multiple teams while im still trying to get out of

congrats
thanks!
@supple nymph get some coaching from Oreo 
why Oreo?
because oreo is a good bean
It's a joke, because Oreo is 
how dare you
Teo they're being mean to me
what else is new



what do you main oreo
Im a bronze Torb one trick

L E F T
Holding trigger 
:wink:

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http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=4538&l=2772196 It's too long for me to translate everything. But basically WizardHyeong is a...
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ugh
the real question though
why he wouldn't post it in the subreddit?
instead of posting in Inven
so that it can get translate to here ๐ค
where was that
this all looks vaguely familiar
like every sketchy esports org? lol
what are you supposed to do in that situation, hire a lawyer in the usa?
half these people probably cant even speak fluent english
hate orgs like this
happens in low tier cs still
luckily cs has popular journalists that just scare the orgs to pay up
i still feel like we're missing a part of the convo
early today?
6 games
lol
overwatch esports is paying twitlonger's founder's kid's tuition
thats every esport during drama
tbh
all these teams dying and disbanding
is depressing
i said this earlier
with how owl is looking a lot of pros are just looking at school
with so few positions for players i dont really blame them
it is always going to be bad before it is going to get better
from the way I see it eventually pro OW will be something of a pyramid. OWL up top, then Contenders with endemic orgs, and then smaller orgs below
ive been playing at the professional level for a year
Careful for Blizzard apologists @tough wind
a more organized CSGO scene if you will
and i feel like ive been spit at by blizzard at every turn
Apparently nobody can complain about OWL, even though people have something called limits
i love blizzard, i love their games, i even love talking to some of their employees, but the way things are
just suck
I'm curious about Nate Nanzer's pedigree before coming in to construct this league though.
I had to look up to see if he was handling the atrocity that is pro HOTS
Or the lack of it? Does he have any pedigree?
and he has no esport any degree at all
was in charge of other things
before becoming OWL "commissioner"
like all these mistakes in OWC is really depressing me
like it makes me think owl will fail
with france thai drama, winz china drama, last minute travelling stuff for pros from blizzard, the romania china drama
Some people think pros and the audience/viewers have to always wait with no clear expectation or information because it will get good when it comes
and then he got promoted during the lead up to the worst of it
the concept of it will eventually get good is a big meme
ive been waiting a year
i stopped school for this because i love it
someone said blizzard doesnt even care about the esports until OWL starts; like none of it even exists, including the OWC

what were you studying?
general studies it was my first year
that cant be a coincidence lol
he "represented" a lot of people
if that stupidly bot-upvotes statement of him is anything to come by
must be throwing
I thought it was a legend
Hong Kong cheesing it out
that didnt work

games are live already @limber pine just saw you said ~25min in community announcement
nvm
Or maybe they are the uncrowned kings of OW and will rekt South Korea
he also predicted that they'd qualified for Blizzcon and then get eliminated first round
so for now one part of his prediction is coming true
it was an easy prediction
I mean though, in the whole group team Hong Kong and Romania has barely any pros
they simply don't have any strong opponents
basically, hence why I said they might be the
of WC
and nobody expected Thailand and Argentine to be strong
thailand was always going to be strong
Without their surprise-dps-sombra they don't have much upset potential
@feral solar I predicted that Rogue vs Thailand would be fireworks
and it was
Argentina was unexpected but not expected Thailand to be a good opponent is just ๐ซ
in what world team with a stand-ins can make a good fight against best EU/NA team without stand-ins on LAN

it's just against logic
Flame has improved his way of speaking and expressing himself so much 
That was honestly the only complaint I had about him
Now he bae
100% PICK RATE
Poggers
?
2cp hype 
You can tell a lot of the viewer base are new players or children. "Why don't they use a Rein and have him charge in" "Sombra pls switch" "Poor...
why is a tank player playing DPS? ๐ค
throwing because they know they won't win?
@pine star horizon is much less 2cp than Anubis or volskaya
when you can't dive better just do random shit and see where the chips fall
overwatch esports
Even though the resplendent is shorter, the point is so open that it's easier to kill respawn staggers
Respawn*

you will regret
You better get political asylum somewhere Wolf
pretty sure we know who he is
yeah
one of the dudes that trying to get the
witch hunt going
the same broken English
compOW loves their throwaways
why we started earlier today?
he got you!!!
I shall call you Mr White as of right now @balmy wolf
...tfw you're going to put a note on someone and accidentally dm him
@balmy wolf stop poking him please
HK STRATS LUL
rip HK ๐ฏ
Team Hong Kong is not even trying lol
better throw faster so that we can watch the next map
next match: Romania vs Norway
FUCK
lol

Team Thailand is no slouch, with 4 of them from Fireball and coming off of a long OPC season. So anyone that overlooked them was a fool. Denmark...
I just got timed out from the twitch chat for 10 minutes because someone was spamming that it was a rerun and I said it was live 
good lol, everybody comments on it

welp
holy fuck he's like robo cop
at least HK didn't HK9 it
Norway will probably 4-0 Romania
and then play against France later
Thailand and Argentina will have 2nd place implication
@balmy wolf if Arc6 really does disband Id have to imagine teams look at a few of those guys
and how many maps can Denmark take off of Rogue is also interesting to watch
@solid spear obviously
the problem is how many team is still alive and wanting their service though
Danteh and Custa especially
puts arc6 #10 team world
disband
fuk
is soe randomly wearing a tshirt or a dress that looks like a tshirt
Thats true Reign but I really would be surprised if a couple of those guys didnt find their way on teams
xQc is a decent enough player but he's such a character
Well
Custa and Danteh probably better of trying to go to the blackhole that is 
they will probably get paid on time
Contenders teams probably arent making major switches before s1 anyway
Dont know Custa/idd relationship
He obviously had blood with at least a couple guys
Danteh makes sense but it seems theyre leaning Carpe
should you put yourself through the esports team experience not knowing if owl is going to work or just go back to college and get a welding diploma
they get paid like 100k/year dont they
xqc is better than Num and bigger stream for NRG too
but yeah hes such a character
xQC "reddit make my character image worst than it is REEEE"
"im going to reform but not really REEE"
Like if he wasnt such an ass hed make sense actually
Danteh idk I think hes good enough that hed at least get tryouts somewhere shame hes probably blocked from NRG cuz of carpe

"commentators"
Calling SOE and Rachel annoying 
saying anything bad about soe 
the way OMEN is printed on those shirts is absolutely awful
๐ณ๐ด throwing?
lul
so this match is more competitive now
it does make me wonder the power level of Norway though, considering they 4-0 HK but somehow struggle vs a team that only 2-2 HK
Emka throwing again
Ilios? Que?
They have everything needed for 140fps

wow harbleu is streaming and not supporting overwatch esports
must be seagull's fault
stupid question here, why is there a Hong Kong and China team?
seperated territory?

seriously, google it
I know about the whole china taipei from last year with taiwan
but no reason for hong kong
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Hong Kong is an autonomous region
and it is considered to be seperated from China
even under China's control after England hand it back over 2 decades ago
I see just googled it, had no idea
its People's Republic of China
cs major starts in 3 hrs 
my wallet is ready
RIP 100% PICK RATE
i got 2 cobble drops last time
i just hope for the same this time
THAT EARLY?
oh come on
I was about to catch some sleep
time to watch 2 streams at the same time then
i have 9 accounts with cs:go
meta athena withdraw nexus cup due to sayaplayer leaving team.
nc foxes will play instead.
Chinese news is faster than korean.
@crisp lynx none of them seems to indicate that they will be moving oversea, no?
yes.
Meta Athena recently joined former ehome coach but seems like they lost better player.
gotcha
One odd thing is that all players just modified the team name on the twitch channel as "The meta" just before.

Idk. OWL has a long way to start. Meta is known as a poor team. streamer massan is their general manager.
"This hasnโt been yet confirmed. However, there has been some rumors that SAYA has got offer from several teams with OWL seeds"
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but saya said no in his stream when his real life friend asking him about overseas team transfer.
Is Emka done trolling with 76 tonight?
well, now Onigod is trolling with McCree
i feel like rogue is gonna have an easy time against norway
Ult charge is crazy fast in these games.
Guess that's what happens when you don't miss as much as me. ๐
Great ult, McCree.
should have Norway defend first
so that they could full hold
and we can move on to France vs Denmark
People like to wobble the aim left and right over a small space, huh? Can't do that so well on console, though.
So only french equipment is broken?
No one knows, but they're the only ones who actually spoke up
Just showed up, is the group schedule different today? don't remember Frogue playing this early
3rd match
perphaps they didn't want to run matches at the same time with CS:GO Majpr
Really? Didn't realize they started earlier
Did China 4-0 tonight?
Last day of group stages
China v Norway was yesterday.
Now is the last day of group stages for The groups in China.
That would be at some time in the future, after group stages
Shouldnt everyone at the group v each other?
France is not in Chinas group, China is hosting 2 seperate groups of 4
Oh
Why are they not showing other groups
I thought they were in the same group because they are playing at the same time for days
There are 2 groups playing every weekend for 4 weeks, this is the first
Wtf
Every week, matches are at a different location
So we won't see other groups for a month?
You meant 2 different groups each weekend for a month?
pretty much
Oh ok thanks
When do the 16 play to compete for a spot in the 8?
After a month
Yeah, sorry, I'm on mobile and that page loads like complete shit on here.
I've been painfully getting through it.
Playoffs start in November
My god
Denmark are actually one of the best
They are like an average first tier NA team
More than average actually
...
Idk, Rogue has looked rough
like, washed up, especially with no scrims for some time
there doing pretty well aginst rogue, imo.
I wish this wasent weird hours for me, I guess it has to be for some ๐ฆ
Dafran died for this 
Holy shit this is crazy
It is for all of NA.
OMG
jeeze.
They are getting stomped wtf
Rip rogue
horeey sheet
Wow.
Demark must be feeling great.
That is insane
And France must be feeling like shit. This could be a huge morale killer.
ROGUE 
Throgue
Rogue bout to tilt
I might not be sleeping tonight.
Oh shit
This series is gonna be insane
What if rogue are trolling
@balmy wolf You seein this shiz?
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Singularity > Rogue? 

Rogue trolling ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
Think there will be a C9?
i wonder of rogue will wake up like they did yesterday after first map loss with thai
Wtf
hopefully not
nico 
nope
Wow
Nope
this is insane.
This is scripted
indeed.
I cant believe it
Holy fuck
6-6 
mfw
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Draw
Wow wtf :)
Wow
No way this is real
infinited maaaaatch
i hope denmark wins this match 
welp, no draw
^
Rogue triple dps 
Me too
it'd be a spicy meme

Soon finally woke up or what. Was getting stomped by Kragie before.
Rogue just wanted to entertain us
Oh shit what did I miss
Dad would've wrapped this up smh
Strife you missed double insane pushes
Oh no
I haven't seen any of today's matches
You owe it to yourself to watch the map in full
I still think it's scripted
This is the first game today yeah?
3rd
Second i think
I have never seen anything over 6
daaamn :(
Me too
I haven't seen a 6-6 tie
Never seen anything more
China vs HK was first.
Romania vs Norway second.
Now, Denmark vs France.
@crisp rover ty, I'll look at OverGG then
Denmark pls beat China ty
THE RIDE NEVER ENDS
Whats gonna be the 4th
Argentina vs thailand
Probably boring
thai-argentina
Rip
Someone beat China, please. Too confident right now.
lmao
while we're at it, someone please beat France
Did China go 4-0 every day?
Tes
yee
Yes
Jesus
China won over Romania, Norway and FUCKING HONG KONG
STOP THEMMM!!!!1
hsahdasdakdfaosifhsa
literally unstoppable
Rogue bouta give up 7 points and win smh
Nooooo, stop the French!

NOOOO
This is scripted wtf
The visor.
HOOLY SHIT

denmkark tiltt
Duuuude
aw
ARE YOU SERIOUS I LEFT FOR A LONG TIME AND ITS STILL HOLLYWOOD???
But that was crazy
8-7??
Frogue \o/
Yup
Rogue loses the a full ovettime push and then roll denmrk next
30 Minute Hollywood match
jesus
Jesus Christ
And here on console, we barely get past the first point
And this is game 1
does denmark needs to win one, to have a safe spot at Num 2?
I don't think we're ready
Rogue were trolling
what is the link to watch the game
They will roll them nex
What's next? KotH?
Koth
@ancient portal https://www.twitch.tv/playoverwatch
sweet thanks
NEPAL

Nepal, how surprising
Imagine Horizon as the third map at point B. That'd be a crazy fight, I bet.
plz no
As if we haven't seen enough Horizon, though.
Horizon 
What's the full score? I just got on from Frouge's last push on hollywood
@hallow fable if denmark gets 4-0ed Argentina needs to win or draw or they get eliminated
Thai is decent, Argentina has had some bright moments
Klaus is good, Mickie is good
Oputo is a great sombra for Team Thailand, he did pretty crazy yesterday, and Mickie (as expected)
Krytox is pretty good
Thailand has DPS sombra
Thailand had a meh first day but they've been getting better with each game
krytox means food
Also nerfdd is a good winston
confirmed
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Fischer and krytox are the back bones of this team
Nerfdd is up there with them
Omg
come on,denmark
Oooooh that was a nice re-take
Dude rogue seems like they are trolling wtf
LOL
I am so lost
this match wants my heart to stop
If denmark had a better tracer
better than Soon ? :)
just imagine what if Denmark had whoru, ryujehong, birdring and miro
I did not like that 76 ult.
so,is this rogue's strat now? lettting them have 99%,then winning?
Hit reg
Seriously. He was dead.
Always been broken and Genji, and some Defense-matrix
4 hits
And then I get downvoted when I say fix genji :(
wtf knoxx lmao
Nah, winning by 1 point and making it close is their strat
going for that genji dicc
Exactly
Whole team on fire
Wow^4
I am still salty at how akm survived 4 dragon blade swings











