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You can just feel him all shattered inside
that he made a mistake
that was so funny
It all just came tumbling down
and it wasn't a quick look, it was him slowly tracking numlocked falling
That's like pure disappointment you can almost actually extract it
you could literally see him die inside
I feel like
With probably Carpe, idd will be very good
I mean they say he's consistently stayed in top 50-100s in ladder with Rein
Especially if they get good supports to make Num look less bad
Back when this dive meta hasn't crashed and burnt everything
btw i spent 10 min trying to find the iddqd look: https://youtu.be/LokdkLgH-Ko?t=38m9s
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Lol
But yeah someone it some discord idr compared idd to like grim and how he may need more space for his style of tracer and how grim has looked so much better since Kariv and Fate have come and I think Idd is probably a better player than Grim on a good team
Only thing is he actually plays a pretty defensive, somewhat passive 76
Hes like the anti Selly
Did none of last year's chinese players return for this year's WC?
none
Nice to see some of the teams put up a fight. How many views did we get at max last night?
37K
overall decent viewership counts worldwide
except for CN where it inflated to 600K
but realistically it is 60K so it wasn't that bad
viewbots eh
naisu
Every major qualifier, views are meh
Yee
Yep
yo day 1 is already over?
rip
I wanted to see france but I was already pushing it staying up till 5
it's only gonna last for 7-8 hours
Anyone know what antivirus does Seagull use?

Anyone know what antivirus Dafran uses?
@Oreofestar#6697 window defender
sojum turn nazi 
๐ฐ๐ท
APEX will continue to run independently from the
Overwatch League
http://sports.news.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=442&aid=0000061416
How did Norway do?
Stomp?
Won
won, but they threw the last map
should have been 4-0
the first 3 maps were pretty damn stompy
holy shit vace can read korean /s
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?
on the reddit?
Tmr Thailand vs Frogue might be fireworks
Meta Athena drama update.
- libero officially took six weeks off with a wrist injury.
- Nus's discord name changed "FA NUS" in korean.
- except changsik and hoon, each players twitter profile is removed prefix meta
- it looks like they gave up Nexus Cup which start in 17th, if rumor is correct, NC Foxes play it instead.
- A few hours ago, saya's friend asked him if he will transfer into abroad team. he said "no".
- changsik posted this.
There are still discussions going on between coach and players, and we don't have determined information yet, so nothing to announce at this time. Maybe somewhat it seems to outline on the 18th.
This is a separate another issue from Belium and it is my sole responsibility to write this.
I apologize for the wait.
-
- according to Meta's recruitment announcement, they need 3 players who can play role of saya, libero, nus's


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@vestal mortar http://imgur.com/xfqfkk7
late smh
sorry i dont have a discord feed into my brains
its ok I forgive you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ihohbgPHgU its rather long but a cool AMA with Verbo, Agilities and Fate shows up for a few minutes
Answering questions from Twitch chat with Agilities and Fate. Twitter: @IMTVerbo Twitch: Twitch.tv/Verboow -- Watch live at https://www.twitch.tv/verboow Son...
@supple nymph ๐
F L A I R
I like flair
Can you ask turik to slip in an Ireland flag for me there mate @limber pine
just use canada or uk polo
Uk flag ๐ค
my city
ew no @supple nymph
definitely not
do you play the fiddle?
Polo is Ford granda confirmed

i saw a good doc on netflix the other day
about irish pubs
have you ever been to one?
some of them are like 500 years old


watching old vods I miss Carpe/Bunny 
Tilts in Korean
do you think day 2 wc will be at more than 10 fps and 30 degrees fov
nope
wonder whatll happen with SBB if MA is in fact disbanding since he said hes not going abroad

Team Seoul? ๐ค
All the great artists and coders in the world can't save Overwatch from dumbass decision making. Winston and D.va are LUL.

I mean...
How they haven't added a ban system yet to at least break metas is insane to me. BALANCE ONE OF YOUR GAMES PLS!
125
Games roster is way too small for bans idk why anyone ever suggests it
That is actually retarded lol
Like
Dota and LoL literally have >100 champions
And OW is all about
You know
Switching
I mean the Winston/D.Va thing is like...people have different opinions on that but the ban stuff is dumb
Lol switching Sulli pls
does summit really do anything OW related anymore
it is just people grabbing the nearest sledgehammer to hammer their discontent away
I ban Monkey and Ana and force you to play Rein with no Ana
@limber pine just play game and whine about it
sounds about right
lol
i remember one post in r/paladins that blew up about him prasing it over OW
What were you doing in /r/paladins? ๐
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tfw people don't know the difference between bird's eye and 3rd person
average redditors are pretty fucking dumb
lol
and literally nothing of value was lost for her
like, this legit does nothing apart from making slasher look like a baby
lul
zoevia

I said nothing
๐
idk, taimou was kinda trash taking xqc, call him toxic and stuff like that
but i have no idea what happend off stream
taimou calling xQc toxic
holy shit
says that winz should kill himself on a drunk stream
lol

basically that
ty! @supple nymph
both of them are retarded, but Taimou is the better retard, I guess?
xQc 

i mean one retard won 2 LANs
the other one flunk out of Contenders and complained about KRs
๐ค
MLG Vegas ๐คฆ
ohh rite
๐ฟ

https://gyazo.com/73456cf059e44072bacc2034a37076a9 playing qp and my teammate is inside a wall
is it a know glitch?
it used to happen very frequently to Mei in ecopoint and Sombra
so it must be something similar
yeah i guess they were a 2 queue and both of them were doing it
does anyone have a link to left guy turning into right guy
i think that was one of the last days of Contenders
but i really don't remember which
i was one with ZP i think
Hi everyone. Hope you all enjoyed the first day matches of Overwatch World Cup 2017. Here are the post match interviews with uNdeAD from China and...
Rogue coming in with no scrims
"no scrims" 
what's up with Rogue and shitty playing situation anyway
they arrived along with other team like a week before this
๐น๐ญ vs ๐ซ๐ท will be lit i think
๐ญ๐ฐ vs ๐ท๐ด is basically a race to the bottom
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Smh
these casuals, GWENT is the real shit
Gwent is actually flames
The Overwatch competitive and esports scenes are pointless and laughable

Millions of dollars invested into a casual game
its not ow fault
xd
that ruanway split
7 slots
20 millions dollars buy ins minimum
Robert Kraft also involved
you wished you'd get that when LoL/CSGO/DOTA2 scene just started out
bc of no <Guy
Banana Culture's production is shit tier
I mean OW Premier Series wasn't this shite
so idk what's up there
left guy is lit
"it's all just a test run until owl so we'll wing everything"
i wish i could record twitch chat
๐ต
It's all a conspiracy
Duelyst is da best
@pine star that one was an absolutely top kek lmao "Summit likes Paladins for real, more than OW, and will main Paladins or playing it on a stable basis"
.... HAHAHAHA 
it's funny seeing him complain because most of his complaints exists in Paladins
like, it's really easy to get ultimate if you're good, tho a siege match is so short that you don't perceive it
Talking like CSGO is the most balanced game lol
how's balance in CSGO anyway? i've heard of AWP being too op, but some said it's just a noob gatekeeper weapon
Negev is a meme weapon for having one of the most stupid mechanics i ever seen in a game, secondaries hs more than rifles, secondaries accurate when moving (while csgo became famous for 'standing still' shooting) AWP is too op but people circlejerk about 'ye but if you
Mis you die' like every fucking weapon?
Not even the railgun on Quake one shot one kill (unless your HP is low)
Same weapon used over and over, variations are pretty much shit (R8, CZ)
You know what's fun? Sniper in COD or in other cs ripoff that one shot one kill are bs, but on CSGO? Nah, CSGO is the pinnacle of FPS balance /s
CS could be good but Valve is way more shit than Blizzard tbh
We get fix, maybe not as fast as we wish, but heh... On Valve you have to wait years
i'd thought that the "CS" formula was "perfected" or "finished" since it seems pretty similar to 1.6
It has nothing from 1.6
oh

no one uses the negev cause people raelised that it isnt as good as people thought after it got updated, pistols are stupid i ageee.. pistol can 1 bullet hs but a rifle cant ๐ , awp is fine on higher ranks i guess people mostly use it on ct sides cause its easy to hold an angle and click but on t side its difficult to use
cs balance is close to perfect
not because of weapons
but due to mix of map design, weapons, nades and economy
if compare 1.6 to GO
in 1.6 awp was stupidly OP
you see pixel of shoulder - you are dead
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Day 2 of the Overwatch World Cup: Shanghai Qualifier is live in ~25 minutes!
Today's Matches:
14:00 CST: ๐จ๐ณ China vs Norway ๐ณ๐ด
15:50 CST: ๐ญ๐ฐ Hong Kong vs Romania ๐ท๐ด
17:15 CST: ๐ซ๐ท France vs Thailand ๐น๐ญ
19:00 CST: ๐ฉ๐ฐ Denmark vs Argentina ๐ฆ๐ท
Stream: https://www.twitch.tv/PlayOverwatch | http://overwatch.majorleaguegaming.com/
China, why u force me out of bed
https://gaming.youtube.com/channel/UCNA2yJr6K2oFDnhKuXS3cow its the yt channel for the stream if you wanna add that later
lol
pharmercy ResidentSleeper
pharmercy failed
china is looking good
they have emp this fight anyway
damn this some serious Airhan action by norwegian genji
Not sure if this nanoboost has hidden goal
but Ana ults look panic
2 times in a row without big effort

Norway 
i think its right after? not 100% sure i forgot if they did a longer break yesterday or not
I'm excited
its still way in chinas favour
norway got destroyed on the first map
did the tracer just stand there and die
Onigod
Embersement
I missed the first round, lol, was it over that soon?
idk why they are using zarya
Norway thinks next patch is live
I mean though
It's honestly kinda disappointing the only viable tanks are really only Winston DVa
that's also part why I stopped using Zarya since like S3
Once it's an open map or mobile enemies...
Obvious issues
God damn Eileen is so fucking good
GOOD LORD
i think elieen is great yeh
I wonder if he's a better genji than whoru
CH for Apex S5?
i have so little doubt that it will be anyone but China from group A
@shrewd jacinth Hard to judge because of the difference in the scene
Well to be fair China did have #1 seed in ranking
but then again there's a LOT of chinese players
But WhoRU has literally gone up and been proved against fellow Koreans and West's T1
S O E ๐
At the very least, I want to see what they can do against some of the better known teams, since there has been nothing to easily compare them to yet.
Kinda like AU and Pacific, I have no idea how Blank and others are.
Not saying that WhoRU will definitely win but he's the only one that has enough data and experience everybody can see as of now
When will these matches start today?
They already did
two down already, china stomping
China is insanely good
They seem really good, but I still don't know where they stand overall
definitely near the top, but I'm not sure if they could stand against France or Sk
sweden will be up there competing tho
Lmao Monte's belt buckle
But these 3 are the top
horizon is fun
naw Canada is not in top 8
Not sure how I feel about Canada.
is the map pool fixed?
Russia and SK will go on from Group E and F
Sweden and Finland from their pools
i really don't like the prospect of only seeing 4 maps
not sure about finland tbh
Flame, youre so cute. Youre funny, you have a little bit of a potty mouth, youre thick, but not fat, you seem really laid back and love video games. I honestly do have a crush on you dude
^ LOL
better post it in flames cord
InB4 7Minute hold
i still dont know what teams can do for that first point defense
Couldn't they have tried to snowball it instead of doing a 6-man cap
is that world cup thingy aired on TV too or something or why the hell do they stream in 50fps on twitch
Its not on tv, we're only in group stages right now
it's also fairly jittery compared to ogn/apex streams
APEX has 30 fps for in game footage though
still looks better than what im seeing on this stream
Korean stream was 60fps
there are constant jitters
I'm not even really noticing it today tbh
you are pampered with this 60fps
30 fps PLUS letterbox and still more pixelated for 1080 for in game
i'm watching streams in 360p quality
the stream quality is just really bad for this
oi well done
you can watch 60 fps on yt and mlg i think
you got a link?
twitch is unwatchable for this
you got a link?
twitch is unwatchable for this
Subscribe for more video's: https://goo.gl/nfZZd4 Overwatch World Cup 2017 - Qualifier ---------------------------- - Official Twich: https://www.twitch.tv...
uh oh, stagger
i guess it's just a problem with the way they are recording to begin with
potato pcs?
Chinese production
Banana production
wehooo
China shook
the should have switched widow sooner
he shouldent tried widow a 2nd time tbh
Romania or HK?
both teams were really bad yesterday
anyone know their avg SR atleast?
i'm going for HK
can't judge on their perfomance
Norway used too long

that was a massive throw
damn onigod should not have stayed on widow for 2 minutes
Eileen this seasons SDB?

that was just depressing
damn onigod should not have stayed on widow for 2 minutes
Eileen this seasons SDB?
3-0?
Wut
Nah
๐จ๐ณ
To be SDB you gotta carry your team with 5 non-pro members all the way to the final
I was really hoping Norway would get that one but damn, onigod why 
K
and Rubikon
He still carried most of the--
all of them were pro or semi-pro players
Did they all play in 2016 world cup?
wake up to see Norway get demolished notSureHowToFeelsMan
Yupp, Redz and Godspeed are inactive now
it's been a close match actually
@wintry matrix If you forget the first 2 maps
eh nepal and hollywood
it was a stomp
Anyway, still not SDB
well, you also have china not playing entirely around him
That too
to be fair Russia didn't play around SDB in all matches
and people like to forgot about unfixed
in wc 2016
Running Dive without Zen means either using pharmercy or your own Sombra
youtube stream just went down
brutal
China just wanted Horizon to be close
can't wait to watch France-China
was afraid that was gone happen
eileen vs unkoe sombra 
remember that Norway is mostly T2 players
and according to Kyky, Team China = Laser Kittenz
Eileen vs Nico Gengu 
like I said, tier 2
YO
@wary falcon Kyky made that comparison when ask for their strength
oh so they are quite weak
he said that they would qualified past group stage before getting kicked out of RO8
and it looked like it
@wary falcon Laser Kittens has been pretty good lately
Laser Kittenz is mid tier EU
and got smashed by T1 in eUnited
so on paper, yes
but
has so many footage on them
who knows if they has special tactics for the Frenchies
Is winz going to drop OW?
damn
but reddit is already jumping on the ๐จ๐ณ though lolz
and become full time Quake pro
I missed the whole thing
not really
wtf happened
@wary falcon just a one time thing
4-0 again?
yup
yep
how close were the games
shy is so smol
people got hyped from their stomping of Hong Kong but Team Norway was mostly T2 players.
stomp 3 of 4 maps
Hyped af for rogue vs china
Not really close except for Horizon
also what is the relative skill level of Norway
Besides EUnited, who is clearly above LK in EU? I'm not saying they are close to Rogue or Envy, but I would'nt call them mid tier.
Rogue
like lets say a side by side of Norway and Thailand
ex-Movistar
i looked them up earlier, one of the norwegian members was 3.8k
๐คฆโโ๏ธ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
Rogue is more of an NA team lately, and Movi has looked shaky recently
then 4k ish, then rest around 4.3k
LK is pretty mid tier below eU, Misfits, Riders (RIP)
Riders ๐
Misfits is probably in their worst slump because of the meta
so HK will win over Romania?
someone kick misfits in there butt and tell them to get good
I think
Misfits got beat by BP if I recall, as well and lost the following match in Contenders finals
China has been on one.
Norwegian players are tier 2 and below. The best player they has is Onigod and he was with Toronto eSport for god know how long
Rogue is 3rd match again for today?
yep
Thailand vs France might be lit though, and speaking as a
fanboy it is a scarier match up that it sounds
I can pretty much skip this match and go about doing things
thailand vs france will be stomp
ugh.............not so sure about that
depends on which Rogue shows up
tbqh
as far as Romania vs Hong Kong though, prepare for some ugly OW
but ones that is good for entertainment
that's what I said
throwcity
Denmark vs Argentina will also be interesting too
since Argentina I think has a chance against Denmark
inb4 Fischer just visor his shit into a fucking DM again though
i kinda wanted to watch just by seeing clips of the klaus dude
Klaus ๐
was in franche argentina was against y'day?
yeah then they might have a chance against denmark
yesterday Rogue looked kind of shite, but they still won the game comfortably
unless rogue was just drunk
well according to the interview with AKM they hasn't has any scrims due to time constraint 
so yes it might be Rogue that was just drunk on rice wine
When they count down to the next match-up, they're lying.
@red anvil
probably tastes very simlar to sake
https://puu.sh/wK3IG/80ecdef9df.png even Mickie is like "if we draw Rogue blood that is good enough" 
i just saw china vs norway in the ow world cup, eileene on genji ultimate on lunar horizon, did i see he slash mid dash? is that a thing? can anyone confirm that was not what happened?
because i didnt think genji kit was suppose to do that
even if it wasn't rogue, i'd think thailand is going in as underdogs
@molten pewter got a twitch clip?
on paper they're kinda the same as countries like norway on paper, plus having 4 players being teamates (with Mickie being an ex)
Here we go.
no sorry thats why if someone can confirm, i couldnt make the clip in time
You can catch reruns later, if you wanna get the clip.
To be honest, Genji can be a little hard to follow. So, I'm sure I missed it.
I mean, that'd be fucked up if he could. That's double slashing, essentially.
kinda confused, too late to make a clip
probably the spectator fucking up
in my mind i saw he was dashing and while dashing slashing before his dash finished, because i saw him stop dashing behind norway's genji
while killing him,
i tried to ask in the twitch chat, but it was so many people chatting
Bad ult, Soldier. ๐ฆ
yeah agree
dva too
Hong Kong ๐คฆ
Romania, stawp!!!
hahaha
Romania Soldier is making me sad.
that tracer bomb lol
This is sad
I am sad for meza
but ml7 really just wat
did you see in the position before p2?
He get his ults pretty fast
Zen found himself alone a few too many times.
Yeah
he tried to flankyatta in an open area
him going straight into the enemys hand dont help
I would say they didnt have good dps
Good hold at the first point, though. They almost had it.
Thanks to so many trans
Yeah ๐
"Anyone saying both teams are bad has no respect for the speed and efficiency with which these teams play. Thats why theyre here, not aim or the reckless offensive play that is extremely risky in competitive play. These teams are elite"
Cucubau?
hello?
There's 1st tier elite and 2nd tier
Half of romania is just meh
Shadder should have joined
Yikes.
He literally would have carried some of these
Shadder probably has his own things
Yeah
hence why he declined
I think he doesnt wanna play with romania in general
But thats just my opinion
He doesnt want to play for free
Since other teams are 100% better
Oh nice
I think he has better things to do
Streaming would probably get him more
At least visor after the dm is down ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
wtf that emp
It's like he's trying to do it.
Phew. Getting tired of seeing CN wreck people.
blizzard server?

DC in a lan game
Losing momentum in sports sucks.
yeh
That's why teams pull bullshit timeouts. Just to screw with the other team. Granted, that isn't what happened here.
Does anyone else find these noobs to be funny. Who do they think they are. Level 3 playing in the world cup.
maybe he plays well together with them

Mango with the clutch visor
That's a visor.
huge
@sly igloo Is this serious or this is a joke. 'Cause I've never seen you here, it's really easy to believe that you're actually serious
see,mentaly disturbed because lost connection
Thank goodness
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I'm sorry
Winston!

OMG

.3
That was pretty insane
Meza clutched harder than Mango lulz
That health pack was a death trap.
that was a good nano too
Winston has that effect. Giant dude in your face can ruin your awareness.
0.3% 
With their health, they were pretty much guaranteed dead anyway.
yeah, your right, nanoed winston
How many health packs can you have hacked at once?
depending on the map, distance between healthpacks, the hacks stays up to 1 min
i dont know exactly here
Emka still throwing like yesterday?
basically
somehow he ended up in the middle of the enemy team in white room
like wut
Feeding with DVa hard, and now popping visor with no targets
ml7 should change
Emka and ML7 have been Romania's biggest problems since yesterday
against sombra with good emps is hard
Yeah, he's trolling us.
ML7's support was lol yesterday
still not changing, hongkong is punishing him,
@balmy wolf well thats what the enemy dps is suppose to do, kill supports first
Ok, so I didn't watch the first map, how did Romania win, cause this is looking rough
@sturdy granite 0.03 percent
4-3 Romania, just barely
Ah there is it again, initiative support ult rather than reactionary
Kings row full hold round 2?
@molten pewter in theory yes because in pro match where everyone can aim and coordination is higher Zen tends to live longer than him
still getting punished
and he was in the backline too
so it raises the question of whether his team not protecting him or HK's DPS better
@balmy wolf i think hongkong is focusing him
he constantly die even before the team got over the bridge though, so only the Tracer on him for the most part
HK Soldier is doing a lot more work than Romania.
as you can see when HK 76 ult straight to zen, HK tracer keeps in the back to harrash zen
@balmy wolf what do you think, is ml7 not doing well, or his team not protecting him enough?
If HK's Tracer and S76 are so free to harrass Romania's backline then the biggest problem is clearly not them being so overpowered or oppressive
How does World cup count map ties, like contenders?
at one point he literally sat on the DM and then get helix rocket'd so a combination of both?
peeling for Zen is hard fucking work
@sturdy granite yes
this is largely just exhibition
and subreddit wanking material
it will have a BO3 Oasis only for elimination match
but for the most part yes. It is exactly the Contenders (and soon to be OWL) format
i hope romania change strat, so there is a bit of momentum for them
So um, when exactly does the overwatch world cup start?
Oh, who's playing?
These matches help determine playoffs, I believe.
Qualifiers
Romania vs HK right now.
Since yesterday
The playoffs start november right?
the stream quality is so bad though
this is only the group stage
the stream quality is so bad though
yet
Romania and HK tied 1-1
China is a beast. Emka is a troll.
Emka and ML7 still being Romania's biggest problems
Oh I see haha
wtf still
Hk looks better atm
Still
aight ill b back latere
@weary fossil i got 1080
Yes
I'll b back when the quality of the game is higher than my normal comp games
?!
My stream is HD, too.
The stream Im watching is in a different language haha
Im not sure if I'm watching the right one
It's on Twitch.
lol @rose ocean
Aside from some of Banana's decisions, the technicals aren't that bad
maybe your watching the local ones?
the stream beind hd doesn't take away from how bad it looks
CN production 
@clever wagon Definitely looks a step up from yesterdays hiccups
Thanks yuyuli haha
they need to stop trolling with that "coming up next". Half the time it's up, they mean they're gonna talk about the game.
there are constantly fps drops in the recording but not in the playback and the overall encoding quality has much to desire, so the issue in youtube/mlg/twitch
can't escape the shit quality
Oh damn, English
Ml7 is a troll
Little do we know Blizzard is paying all the teams to pick Horizon no matter what happens for the 2CP map
Needed Chinese subs for him.
1k for every horizon game 
South Korea gonna own again this year?
No chance
Doubt they will be as dominant as last year
Figures, I heard some of their good players from last year arent playing this year
Esp with France being Rogue
Yeah
Inculding Arhan ๐ฆ
Arhan
Not to do with the players, in individual skill SK has the best players
good player
They're probably still strong but this year every country is finally actually sending their best and actually considering roster compositions
wut
I think the finals will be rogue vs south Korea
I think the finals will be rogue vs south Korea
is that overwatch logo on the stage in the middle of the teams a light reflection from the top? or did they just loose the yellow orangey
I think the finals will be rogue vs south Korea
I wonder how Sweden and Finland Will do
Jeez message duplicating
Sweden will choke like misfits
Oh my god
USA!
IDDQD has better things to do.....like putting out the forest fire that is 
Ah yeah, is it Horizon for the 6th consecutive time?
I missed everything after the first match ytd, except for FRogue v ARG
Worked last year
Just waiting for a space teamkill
last year no one took it serious but russia and SK 
No miro 
Is tviq actually better then idd?
Tviq qualified for Contenders so yes 
Tvi1 dropped a lot tbh
i made a bad decision by going to gen discussion
I think tviq is better than iddqd
People would take it a lot more seriously if ๐ค.
who is Pluppie?
alt account
ah
I don't watch Tviq's game play so yeah
alternate id
Esca is better than everyone
miss esca lul in twitch chat
the problem of IDDQD is that a. his last time that he shined on pro stage was in OW Open and that was nearly a year ago

And then come NRG
and b. he has been mired in the
blackhole for god know how long
fans literally has been keeping him up by stomping idiots on stream. Basically the Seagull method of pretending to be relevant
In what esport team is tviq?
Love you reign
my reaction when
signed IDDQD was a confusing tilt. IDDQD is even known as somewhat of a toxic individual who is a ticking bomb
Who played in old rogue lol
That's pretty amazing
And then everything changed with a 3 way trade
They should get tviq back
Who, Rogue?
I think they're fine as is
Yh
they won 3 OMM and a LAN with a new line up, so probably not
One of the reasons the 3 way trade happened was because they want Rogue to be all French
tviq is better than soon
Doubt they will ever take TviQ back
but language barrier
They're a great team but soon is overrated
in what world soon is overrated?
Boi
he was before Apex
He has amazing moments obviously
Soon got outplayed by Esca one match, so he is overrated 
Esca is underrated 
Esca is inconsistent
He's looked better recently
he is underrated, but i would not bet on him as a world class DPS
Esca is consistently good with failed pulse bombs
he is not even best tracer on his team
Yeah
Not a world class maybe but he's really good imo
Rogue is overrated, they got battered and bludgeoned by Korea's top teams in the group phase of APEX S3. You should envy EnVyUs for getting basically the same group they got in S2
And can carry when consistent
Soon is a great player, don't get me wrong. He's amazing with tracer, he's just a bit overrated IMO
still better than ML7 EMPs
got beat by the eventual finalists in
and
, but they are trash 
Rogue is totally fine, they lose badly against TOP koreans because of time in America
scrimming against NA teams made them weak especially in ult management
Because lack of flexibility
and Rogue better than EnvyUs
Rogue would get to top 4 if they has EnvyUs' spot
Lack of flexibility, but weirdly enough to this day nobody ever actually beat them aside from Korean's top teams
idk bout that
That says a lot

You know, if you're a dps whose pool doesn't overlap with tviq's, I'd wonder wtf that guy even plays
Also about "lack of flexibility"
tbh
do nV has flexibility?
Everyone talked about Rogue's lack of flexibility and everyone and their mom is running the same fucking formation
is there even a point of being flexible this meta?
I still don't get why Korean teams dominate everyone
in fact Rogue is more flexible than nV because of Taimou hero pool
What is it about that country that they're so good
NV have somewhat a bigger pool they've brought out in various matches but that says nothing about how it gels consistently to actually bring them far

I disagree with too much people, i give up xD
and this is dive meta
You can tell who are Romania fans in the audience, lol
nV beat the world beaters in X6, Meta Athena, BK Stars and RGW, but somehow they are top 4 material 
not yet
still clown fiesta
im on VPN so I gotta disconnect to tune in on twitch
Wut
I wanna see Finland vs Sweden
@round cargo again, put it this way: nobody in this world that has faced Rogue actually ever beat them, even with a close win, other than Korean's top teams
It's pretty easy to put two and two together
Getting... tired... almost 2 AM here.
@wary falcon the funny part is that EFFECT is somewhat an inferior Talespin
3:30
16:29
11:30
3:36 AM
10:36
What have I done
Effect is superior Talespin in current meta
Oh
I said "actually beat them", not fighting them close only to lose 3-4
and even then
has 3 KRs so that doesn't counts 
That too
:zaryalol:
Misunderstood, my bad









