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#esports-discussion
toxic yacht
pine star
Thailand 
feral solar
Gg
toxic yacht
gilded orbit
REVERSE SWEEP
kindred kiln
THAILAND NUMBA ONE?
gilded orbit
REMEMBER 5 MINUTE TIME BANK
feral solar
I didn't expect this after 2-0
gilded orbit
5 MINUTE TIME BANK LUNAR COLONY
balmy wolf
gilded orbit
take this time to remember warriors blew a
balmy wolf
pissed lmao
gilded orbit
5 minute time bank on Lunar colony
balmy wolf
Denmark playing got really sloppy on the 2 later maps
was it the case with the first map?
gilded orbit
honestly
balmy wolf
37K viewers 
toxic yacht
his soldier wasn't bad, but he kinda couldn't shut down denmark's dps
naive plover
is the vod worth watching
gilded orbit
like if thre was a tie breaker
gilded orbit
no not worth watching sloppy play
balmy wolf
who would have thunk that putting one of the world's best D.va into DPS isn't the right choice
gilded orbit
first two games were dumb
last two games were clown fiestas
its only exciting
if u didnt know
the outcome
wary falcon
lmao 2-2
feral solar
I can finally sleep now! Gnight ppl
gilded orbit
watching Thailand come back
wary falcon
20:57 here
gilded orbit
2 maps is the fun part
balmy wolf
it is not a reverse swept, btw
because it implied that Thailand actually won
they only draw the series
rapid oxide
"HOTS ded game" smite has 16k
gilded orbit
nice
toxic yacht
night jelly
toxic yacht
honestly, romania was garbage
we don't actually know how strong china is
norway looked strong, but they threw the last map. Honk kong also looked throwy, so I can't say much about them too
argentina looked very good vs rogue
I'm not actually sure about who will win this one
and yeah, france is obv gonna win
edgy remnant
DANMARK
balmy wolf
the France vs Thailand is potential firework, and r/compow will be rooting them to draw blood out of France
which they can?
wary falcon
So Norway can beat China?
wary falcon
I expect France and China to qualify
toxic yacht
I don't really know how strong those teams are
balmy wolf
also
""Each match is defined as a competitive meeting of two teams for four games ("Maps")
plus an optional "sudden death" fifth game if the score is tied after four games.""
what's up with these fuck up rule anyway
I want to believe in Norway
But man
LGD is good
So its a toss up
it is really hard to say anything about their strength with these stomp tbh
pine star
Wasn't Rogue trolling tho?
toxic yacht
last map was a stomp, but they genuinly looked like they were getting outplayed at times
first map wasn't a stomp, but pretty decisive
there were a few moments where rogue just fucking massively outplayed them and made them look like armatures
devout raft
arg played well enough at points/showed enough that i wouldnt put denmark to win with confidence against them
toxic yacht
lol
naive plover
betting 
devout raft
even more uncertainty in world cup team performances than a normal OW tournament ๐
wary falcon
My salary is below 2k so betting is reason why i was able to finish building of my outside house
god bless 322
balmy wolf
3 of the rosters belonged to a top team or two from the Latin America
crisp lynx
meta are recruiting new players. sub-healer, main dps, dps who can play diva. so maybe saya, libero, nus out? And libero officially took six weeks off with a wrist injury.
http://imgur.com/a/Dl4bV
@toxic yacht sry 
balmy wolf
pine star
How was the viewership btw?
crisp lynx
if so, they don't need more dps
red anvil
china was apperently 600k+
pine star
600k???
balmy wolf
well, divide by 10 because of viewbots
pine star
I'm gonna go ahead and assume you mistyped 60k
balmy wolf
but it is still 60K in that case though
crisp lynx
sry, but don't believe chinese number.
balmy wolf
nah @pine star i reported it
AVRL reported it
but with the added caveat of the viewbots
pine star
CN viewbots 
crisp lynx
i heard chinese site itself inflates the viewer number.
there is a rumor that Kevin chou's ksv is contacting the players personally.
kdp birding, fissure, and unknown two minor age player
crisp lynx
reportly, all of 4 were good at apex recently.
balmy wolf
why not just buy out 
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toxic yacht
rip meta athener
half hazel
I heard chinese streaming sites count "view" differently.
solid spear
remember what they were saying with Alicus the other day
red anvil
cherrypick wherever you want if you've already spent so ridiculous much for a license
solid spear
look at them as individdual players not a team
theyll probably buyout 6 players
and opposed to buying them as a package
crisp lynx
It is very easy to recruit because korean player do not get paid much now.
red anvil
inb4 RJH gets stolen ๐ฆ
balmy wolf
imagine the salt
"Breaking news: Robert Kraft announces that RJH is signed to Boston Overwatch"
red anvil
LOL
crisp lynx
red anvil
will seoul team be able to compete in apex?
red anvil
yes but when they do announce there rooster
or are they not allowed to compete before OWL starts?
red anvil
cools ๐
crisp lynx
"Our first team announced is the Overwatch League Seoul franchise. KSV will be announcing our Korean executives and Korean player roster in late 2017. The Seoul team will play 40 games during the regular season, 20 of which will be in Seoul. While the first season will be played in Los Angeles, we intend to start hosting Invitational tournaments in Seoul starting in 2018."
balmy wolf
What kind of dream roster that KSV can buy up though? Birdring, RJH, Mano, Tobi, Rascal, Zunba?
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balmy wolf
why?
red anvil
biriding and saya share pretty much the same heroes dont they?
solid spear
Birdring is a monster Id want him over LWB guys even if SBB is also a monster
balmy wolf
Libero/Birdring?
solid spear
Ill be honest though
crisp lynx
yeah
solid spear
if theyre just making a SK super team
then rip the rest of OWL
@toxic yacht this was on starboard lul
crisp lynx
Soe โค
pine star
#MeIRL
solid spear
yo how the other matches go I fell asleep
solid spear
or they lost?
pine star
Hong Kong took one map didn't they
balmy wolf
no
solid spear
they did
balmy wolf
full 0-4
pine star
They did...
solid spear
nah HK took a map
solid spear
66
pine star
What you in about Wolf lul
balmy wolf
ok nvm
crisp lynx
it was 1-3 maybe?
solid spear
ye
balmy wolf
i'm still half asleep
silk linden
I missed the opening matches, how stale was the meta?
solid spear
same old same old
silk linden
Winston and genji in every team?
balmy wolf
basically complaints of every meta. Moving on.
solid spear
nah its Winston/D.Va thats the wave
crisp lynx
new feature is map, horizen
silk linden
Looks like I'm skipping this event then
solid spear
aww why
silk linden
Fucking monkeys
solid spear
there is a patch coming soon
crisp lynx
can doomfist change meta?
balmy wolf
reminder that this is the meta r/compow really wanted. And now they got it. And of course it is stale.
pine star
Planet of the Winstons
pine star
Every meta, no matter what it is, will get stale after a while
silk linden
Do you think they're gonna play the rest of the tournament on the new patch?
Bit weird to release a patch mid tournament
solid spear
well this tournament doesnt end til November
balmy wolf
Blizz released a patch one week before season ends
solid spear
so theres no way theyre gonna be playing on this patch the whole time
balmy wolf
so I don't think they gives a fuck about timing
silk linden
@pine star metas can be stale but at least fun to watch. Monkey meta is ass
pine star
That's not what people said when the meta started
toxic yacht
but yeah, this is the tournament realm iirc
balmy wolf
BibleThump
solid spear
Sulli my mans
toxic yacht
so they'll probbaly play the groupstages on this patch
solid spear
I hate Monkey
pine star
"Finally Winston meta so good to watch hurr durr"
solid spear
always have
and I was so anti Monkey buffs cuz the character was already seeing like 60% usage
silk linden
I hate any meta which counters itself and encourages mirror comps. OW should be about counterplay
toxic yacht
we already had a healthy meta at the time, the only thing that really needed buffs/nerfs was ana
and they toned her down
I still think that nade is op, but whatever
she's picked so little now that it doesn't matter
solid spear
Anas not even that good rn
balmy wolf
but quick play pick rate 
solid spear
Cuz Winston/D.va kinda shit on her
silk linden
The game is balanced for silver, that's the harsh reality
balmy wolf
and also @silk linden tough luck. Barring any intelligent change from 
, this is the reality of non mirror gameplay
toxic yacht
I don't really give a shit about a character being shat on if they have the most powerful ability in the game with a what, 12 second cooldown?
Because blizzard thinks that 100% denying heals in a game where heals are so important is balanced
lul
silk linden
Defense Matrix is the most powerful ability in the game now arguably
wary falcon
most frustrasting ability
solid spear
I mean DM doesnt even let you use your nade lol
balmy wolf
I just found it amusing that post Ana nerf everyone was like "nvm, Ana is still good". Fast forward to now, she is downright an unoptimal pick.
toxic yacht
well, that's not really ana's fault
wary falcon
Ana is still good but not against shields
After winston's nerf she will be totally fine
toxic yacht
more of the fact that zen works better with your own counterdive
and the fact that shields cuck her
wary falcon
how to heal when you have diving shield-carrier on you
silk linden
And Mercy is broken
wary falcon
if we are talking about pro games mercy is not broken even with her 1 sec regen
toxic yacht
and as I said, I don't give a shit about the fact that dva cucks bionade
wary falcon
she is broken in ranked
balmy wolf
it is not fault of Ana herself for sure, but all the meta theorycrafter on r/compow is just shit at predicting the meta
solid spear
I mean Anas a balanced character but the fact that bubble is there to block heals all the time and D.Va can make you useless
toxic yacht
it doesn't change the fact that anti heals and 4 super strong effects tied to 1 ability are ridiculous
like, ana still has a cancerous amount of heals
silk linden
Oh yeah bubble is aids
wary falcon
Yeah Ana is strongest healer in the game
toxic yacht
it's just that the benifits of other shit outweigh that
balmy wolf
i mean if she getting shat on and became an unoptimal pick in this meta, is she OP anymore?
wary falcon
But winston's shield + DM are just no-no for her
balmy wolf
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toxic yacht
not op in the current context
silk linden
Bionade does too many things, that I agree with
toxic yacht
like, now she's balanced
solid spear
All the healers have stuff going for them it's probably the most balanced class atm
wary falcon
nerf dive meta and Ana will shine again
toxic yacht
but if fuckin dive stops being so ridiculous, things may look different again
silk linden
There's only 4
wary falcon
and Blizzard will nerf her damage again
solid spear
Zen brings so much to the table
wary falcon
Not really, Zen just can shield through shields
toxic yacht
zero skill ability that has so many effects
solid spear
Discord is just so good and trans is a better ult than nano
Also had way better damage output
wary falcon
Ana cancels his ultimate btw
most of the time
just kill winston like you killed hog
toxic yacht
mark my words, if this dive shit stops people will start whining about ana again
balmy wolf
Ana gives you more overall sustainability with a team fight potential ult, but Zen gives you quicker TTK with a really good defensive ult. It is a toss up at this point.
toxic yacht
and then I'll be smug as shit and be like "I enver stopped whining"
wanton bronze
Well Nano worked better when the game was more about chaining ults. Like you would combo zarya grav and nano rein so that rein could build his ult super quick for the next fight
wary falcon
You are right, after dive nerf people will whine about Ana
cause Ana is still damn good at everything except anti-dive
solid spear
Im never whining about Ana
balmy wolf
"maybe, thats not likely to change" -lead hero designer talking about antiheal
toxic yacht
yup
balmy wolf
wary falcon
really? i remember when i was running away from nanoboosted reaper with tears in my eyes
balmy wolf
@wanton bronze this meta is more ult chaining intensive than ever
ult combo is what you meant
solid spear
Well...
pine star
@balmy wolf I don't think so
wary falcon
game will never stop baffle me
balmy wolf
@pine star ult combo = use 2 or more ult that has synergy together. Chaining ult = using ult in sequence to maximize their individual value
solid spear
Better than NRG so why not
wanton bronze
its ult comboing with a focus on building the next ult combo so you snowball hard. Manly because with the amount of healing/shields ults are the most reliable way of killing people .
so you snowball hard
solid spear
Ult management was super important in tanl meta more so than now
You used grav nano rein knowin itd get you shatter
toxic yacht
eh, I'd say that ult managament is what seperates good teams from the best
like, back then
you literally
wanton bronze
yeah
balmy wolf
tank meta was all ults
balmy wolf
@pine star DDX looks like a Sombra bot
wary falcon
ult management is key to win in overwatch
toxic yacht
by now you can isntaburst targets, but the way you expend your ults is still extremely important
just in a different way
wary falcon
iand always was
solid spear
Tank meta was a lot harder to play than people give it credit for cuz they go errr tanks
pine star
Teams just poked the shit out of each other until they had ults
balmy wolf
lol @wanton bronze
solid spear
But like there was a lot that went into it
toxic yacht
it was still shit
rapid oxide
Lmao that soe pic on starboard
toxic yacht
I don't care about how stale this meta is, I can watch this any day
I literally wanted to stop watching OW during the tank meta
skipped over half of MLG vegas
skipped most of NGE
cheesed 
?
solid spear
Idk Ive always been the anti Sojum when it comes to tanks
toxic yacht
well, I also watched NRG vs liquid
balmy wolf
I mean even Ookz, 
coach wants tanks back
toxic yacht
the c9 game was fucking sad
6 ults
still fail to cap hollywood first
seagull gets 2 picks on hanzo
they engage after c9 regrouped as 6
it was actually pathetic
enigma spends 4 minutes building up grav and it gets eaten by a dva
pine star
Is WC double round Robin or single?
solid spear
Thats true Ookz did say yesterday he actually liked triple tank but thats one person
rapid oxide
@balmy wolf Dva and Winston are tank 
toxic yacht
the thing about the tank meta though
is that you could actually run dives
you cannot really run tanks now anymore
pine star
^
toxic yacht
especially with a certain pig hero being deleted
balmy wolf
@solid spear plenty of people are pining for tank to be back
solid spear
This meta is actually has way less diversity than tank meta did
toxic yacht
yup
solid spear
I dont want tanks to be lile dominant
balmy wolf
Roadhog is going to get defensive capability though
pine star
Tbf, it required really good execution to dismantle death ball with triple dps dive
balmy wolf
Make Hog Great Again?
pine star
But still
solid spear
But Ive never had a problem with it being a viable comp which it isnt now
toxic yacht
but it worked
rapid oxide
Tank meta had more diversity than tank meta?
toxic yacht
running tanks was the ezpz way out
rapid oxide
Guys tell me what kind of drugs you use
toxic yacht
but you could still run dives
rapid oxide
Because i want some
toxic yacht
LW Blue and Misfits are the perfect examples
except your name is NiP
if you're NiP
misfits cannot take you apart
solid spear
I also think that like triple tank comps without Hog are like not good
balmy wolf
i mean the triple tank comp with D.va/Zarya/Rein is good, but it requires extra caring and lack the brute force that Roadhog provided
solid spear
So him being dead kinda makes it hard even if tanks make a mini comeback
That comp just like...doesnt do damage is my thing
wary falcon
+75 armor?
balmy wolf
making him less unique
solid spear
It's probably just gonna be damage resistance while taking a breather or armor or some dumb shit
wary falcon
hog design is perfect
toxic yacht
but now that you took that away, you're kinda making him LUL
solid spear
Still killed that hero for me hes feels like complete shit to play
balmy wolf
Roadhog's strong point is that he is a true offensive tank, and lack any defensive capability. But now they are going against the initial design because Plat/Gold players can't learn what is positioning
so they are making him less unique and more boring
meanwhile Bastion got homogenized into a shittier 76 and look at the poor bastard
only people that used him is Kragie and I doubt it is a meta pick
solid spear
I mean that's what he was he was a fat assassin you were scared of him, yeah he feeds yeah hes big but you knew if he could hook you and you didnt have a Zarya or D.Va hed murder you
You legit are not scared of Hog at all now hes a meme
wary falcon
he was one man army
balmy wolf
"A guy makes a post tantamount to witch-hunting, and yet the mods here allow it? It should have been removed, especially in view of what has (improperly) been removed in the past.
Somehow linking Dafran publicly streaming himself throwing games and encouraging others to do the same was a witch-hunt, but this instance was not? Where is the transparency? That seems like it was forever ago, and yet, we still have no meta post or changes from an overbearing mod team."
๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ
solid spear
Yay reddit drama
balmy wolf
I mean you have to admit, they let a thread that is purely about accusing the Rogue players of being dicks
and that thread never got removed
meanwhile Dafran throwing with proofs and shit
and it got removed as if it has Shad's nude on it
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solid spear
I really just dont care 
balmy wolf
these issue will come to blow again
and i doubt the mod team actually are doing anything about it
lyric jackal
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/6n9d0x/blizzard_this_is_not_behaviour_i_want_to_see_out/ Just something that I noticed while watching the vods that I don't think should be okay.
pine star
Wtf with that thread omfg
wary falcon
i heard "penis" multiple times today
balmy wolf
lmao
wary falcon
had stream as background
pine star
Tfw /r/compow is turning into shit too
naive plover
vestal mortar
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balmy wolf
@pine star that is from r/OW
solid spear
His statement is still correct
toxic yacht
implying that it hasn't been shit for months now
also, he said raked lmao
I also misunderstood "raped" for a second
wary falcon
every popular forum/subreddit is shit
toxic yacht
then I used my brain
pine star
/r/OW being /r/OW
limber pine
thank you for your feedback
lyric jackal
Yeah, I listened to it again, and it's raked.
toxic yacht
definitely not a "p"
lyric jackal
It just sounded like it the first time I heard it. Thread deleted. 
Sorry for the fuss.
limber pine
yeah that was a common gripe
lyric jackal
Yeah. Just unfortunate mishearings.
blazing parrot
@limber pine why was the thread about winz insulting china or w/e allowed to stay up?
toxic yacht
blazing parrot
limber pine
sorry brah
balmy wolf
whoever is doing the modding at night is doing a piss poor job
limber pine
oops need an h
balmy wolf
people are using the Winz thread as an excuse to open up the Dafran thing again
blazing parrot
its still up 
round cargo
Why isn't Miro in the World Cup?
balmy wolf
@round cargo KR committee decided that Miro is not good enough
round cargo
He got mvp last year lol
blazing parrot
pine star
Holy shit this Argentinian Tracer's sens gave me malaria
blazing parrot
how does that translate to him being on the team
toxic yacht
well, the committee are actually LH fanbois
balmy wolf
lolz @toxic yacht
toxic yacht
the fact that they didn't put in miro says a lot
round cargo
Yeah
blazing parrot
@pine star have you seen ryuejhang on tracer
toxic yacht
they're LH and LW Blue fanbois
actually
I think that they didn't put in miro because of his rein
balmy wolf
they are LH fanbois that didn't put in Miro
pine star
@blazing parrot I use RJH sens
solid spear
No Birdring 
balmy wolf
please for fuck's shake someone read before posting
blazing parrot
pine star
That's why such high sens gives me cancer
round cargo
Seagull and USA the same thing?
blazing parrot
round cargo
Didn't think he's good enough
toxic yacht
I said the fact that they are fanbois and didn't put him in probably means that they weren't super confident in his rein
balmy wolf
Seagull does not want to play in team USA
blazing parrot
Seagull didnt want to play tho
balmy wolf
if they want to practice
toxic yacht
and yeah, he said he wouldn't play if he couldn't stream practice
blazing parrot
toxic yacht
since he's a streamer for the time being
solid spear
Seagull didn't want to play but everything I heard suggested Kyky wasnt putting him on regardless
round cargo
Yeah Shadder didn't want to play either
balmy wolf
KR committee wants maximum flexibility. And Miro is kind of one tricking. So thus they went for Mano
toxic yacht
ya
round cargo
Rip pro weebs
pine star
That Argentinian guy's beard = best beard SA
round cargo
I missed France vs Argentina live
balmy wolf
Klaus sens looks like toggling at point though
pine star
@toxic yacht it's actually ridiculous
round cargo
I'll have to watch it on yt
round cargo
I'll look for a beard
solid spear
I mean this guy definitely isnt cheating on LAN in an exhibition game theyre expected to lose badly
balmy wolf
you never know
pine star
lol Knox doing his ~Miro~ Winston impression
pallid dirge
Cheating at a LAN on Blizzard's computers
pallid dirge
toxic yacht
lulz
balmy wolf
@pallid dirge it is easier than you think
toxic yacht
but yeh, outside of some sketch I was actually super impressed with klaus
pallid dirge
In an environment where you get monitored and you can't do anything with the PCs?
toxic yacht
he also had very good pulse bombs
round cargo
At the beginning of kings row onigods aim was amazing
solid spear
Except on Nepal
pine star
@toxic yacht his pulse bombs on the first two maps were shite
solid spear
His pulse bombs were complete memes on Nepal
balmy wolf
@pallid dirge custom mouse firmware.
solid spear
Well I went to sleep rip
pallid dirge
you mean toggling DPI then?
balmy wolf
and low FOV aimbot means that it is undistinguishable from normal aim
toxic yacht
his bombs were really good
balmy wolf
no, custom firmware
pine star
Blizzard allegedly has ways to detect that
pallid dirge
yeah... I think you're really stretching the limits of possibility here, reign.
toxic yacht
๐ I used to believe in Saint Nicholas ๐ Now I believe in Santa Klaus ๐
pallid dirge
It's really fucking easy to monitor it when you control the PC
even "custom firmware on the mouse"
toxic yacht
well, we don't actually know if they use their own equipment
iirc they do
but I've also heard that they get equipment from blizz
balmy wolf
cheating on LAN is not that hard, tbh. Decades of CS will tell you that much.
toxic yacht
like, blizz provides them the model of their mouse or some shit
I dunno
we know very little about the details of LAN security
balmy wolf
if athletes can cheat with steroid cycle and shit, expect nothing else
toxic yacht
actually
pine star
@balmy wolf esports has come a long way Wolf, it's not easy and it's not 2005 anymore
toxic yacht
well, wasn't kqly cheating on LANs?
pallid dirge
CS:GO lan cheating was only doable due to Valve-created exploits
toxic yacht
that really wasn't that long ago too
balmy wolf
KQLY "tried" a cheat and got VAC
balmy wolf
not because he was doing it on LAN
balmy wolf
@pine star considering Lance Armstrong pulled the wool over everyone's eyes for his time in competitive cycling
for like a good amount of years
idk why being skeptical about aimbotting is such an outrageous thing
toxic yacht
I dunno, I also don't really like accusing people of cheating
I'll point out when something looks sketchy
but it takes a lot before I say that someone is deffo cheating
balmy wolf
even on LAN, too. Unless Blizzard gave them literally new model of the equipment they are using, always be on toes. And I'm not even directly accusing him of aimbotting. His aim just look fishy
round cargo
Did Shadder say why he didn't want to play the world Cup?
balmy wolf
repeat: "his aim just look fishy"
solid spear
I never assume someone of cheating unless its some blantantly sketchy shit like the Corey stuff
pine star
He's not the first one to play on high sens
limber pine
who's fishy
pine star
solid spear
Like the Corey stuff was like even without proof in my mind I look at him different cuz it was so blatant
toxic yacht
I mean, the reason why I'm also kinda fine with klaus is because I also play on a comparetively high sens, and I could see a lot of the same frantcishy weirdish movements he does
admittedly, he's 3332x better than me
solid spear
How high bb?
round cargo
I play with 800 dpi 3 sens lol
toxic yacht
and has more precise aim, and generally knows what he's doing
balmy wolf
no info on Corey's sens ๐ค
solid spear
Thats not even that high
balmy wolf
well at least it is not Haksal's 800*31.7
solid spear
I mean that's around what I use for Genji
pine star
I play on 1200/1.2
toxic yacht
I'm a projectile person anyway, lul
solid spear
Or a little higher actually
round cargo
800/3
toxic yacht
my hitscan is even worse than my projectile
round cargo
On genji 800/5
solid spear
But I have a specific Genji sens
round cargo
I have higher sense for genji yeah
round cargo
I like my sens a bit lower
toxic yacht
jfc
pine star
Mine's lower lol
solid spear
I mean the Jehong sens 
wanton bronze
kuke chucks his mouse across the room to do a 180
toxic yacht
also, when someone is a known previous cheater, I'm gonna have a hard time looking at him in the same way
round cargo
I like it at 800dpi 3 sens for everyone but genji
toxic yacht
babaybay also seems to show zero regret about his ESEA ban
solid spear
Yeah I get that
round cargo
#throw4Dafran
solid spear
He seems decently reformed he doesnt talk too much, and ive seen is stream and stuff idk why I just kinda trust him for some reason
toxic yacht
REFORMED
solid spear
Were Seagull now boys
pine star
You should reform Sojum
balmy wolf
BabyBay and Mykl are not a good DPS duo though
despite all the toggling joke
if they were otherwise, Splyce would have gone somewhere
toxic yacht
splyce 
pine star
From the creators of Rath and Clank, comes Toggle and Switch
solid spear
Thats cuz Mykl is shit on every hero thats not Tracer which really limits them
toxic yacht
he also played a decent dva back in the day
toxic yacht
yah
sharp vector
Man, romania got destroyed by China lol
toxic yacht
I found what surefour said hilarious
toxic yacht
I know that he was kinda exaggerating, but "Mykl is trash, kungarna keeps him as a handycap"
it's kinda true
solid spear
If I wanted to buy Kungarna
toxic yacht
feels like they're getting mroe carried by their other players
solid spear
Id try and replace Mykl
balmy wolf
Mykl is a shite person as well. He kicked out their coach on the eve of NGE Winter Premiere.
solid spear
Not just cuz of in game stuff but hes also a cunt
balmy wolf
because he wanted a friend to come instead
toxic yacht
iirc mykl is their captain and kinda leads everyone and keeps them together
he's also the guy in control of their twitter
he's a shithead, but I'm not sure if getting rid of him is the smartest decision
dunno about the inner team dynamics
solid spear
Idk like I can live with Babybay
balmy wolf
according to their coach the old 
roster wasn't exactly good in term of inner team dynamics either
toxic yacht
ah
solid spear
But Mykl is ugh
balmy wolf
to paraphrase him, it was a team of friends that isn't always are friends
toxic yacht
literally the only time I heard him open his mouth
was with this
and you know, I'd rather not hear anything from him again if that's what comes out
lol
solid spear
I mean Ive watched his stream 3-4 times
solid spear
I watched a Mykl stream once cuz of Harb host never again
toxic yacht
I haven't really gotten annoyed by babybay, ya
some sketch (maybe a bit more than some), but at least he isn't annoying
solid spear
Babybay like youre always gonna watch him in the corner of your eye cuz of his past
But hes been a good boy
toxic yacht
pookz is a good boi
getting spoiled by kungarna
lul
according to mykl they're slowly turning him into one of them
๐
solid spear
Don't know what's happening with Kungarna anyways though
solid spear
2 of them might be trying to get NRG trials
balmy wolf
JKap and Hex casting
toxic yacht
solid spear
Jkap 
balmy wolf
Rest in Pyjamas
ENCE eSports
Helsinki REDS
GamersOrigin
decent so far
needs 123, and maybe Singularity
and it is a good EU LAN
vestal mortar
Needs Meme Reddit too
limber pine
most of 
is in China
vestal mortar
๐
limber pine
cuz ๐ฉ๐ฐ
wintry matrix
i heard Argentina put a decent a fight, was it?
solid spear
Kragie 
balmy wolf
All of actually @limber pine
Mande is there too
the 3 DPS play from ๐ฉ๐ฐ is just bad though
Visor into DM
toxic yacht
argentina put up a pretty good fight, yeh @wintry matrix
pine star
I was so ready for the stomp
toxic yacht
Also, Klaus is bae
balmy wolf
it has its moment of competitiveness but I wouldn't call it "competitive"
like Monte said, usually Argentina got some intial momentum
pine star
I would
balmy wolf
but then Frogue put their foot down
pine star
It's Rogue we're talking about
balmy wolf
and all of the Argentina players belonged to teams too
Rogue looks shaky at time? Sure
balmy wolf
I thought only half of them had teams
all of them except DDX has experienced in teams before
if the interview is correct
oh you meant past
mb
pine star
You guys really don't know how the scene is in SA lol
balmy wolf
the SA scene is competitive. It is one of the more underrated esport scene
just that no news ever come out of it
pine star
Incorrect
balmy wolf
hence why it sounds backwater
wintry matrix
i live in SA and know little about it
wintry matrix
Brasil
pine star
Oh well
The Brazilian scene and the rest of SA are completely different
It's almost like comparing NA and EU in terms of being independent of each other
toxic yacht
I find it so funny how brazil is like its own entity
like, ffs it's the only country with portuguese as a language
wintry matrix
oh, i thought it was similar, like, there was even in a league championship with SA teams right?
toxic yacht
and actually saw how fucking massive brazil was
I was like "wut, that's like, half the fucking continent"
is playing in it
pine star
@wintry matrix the thing is there's literally no infrastructure outside of Brazil
balmy wolf
"Un fucking lucky that Dafran not only didn't want to play in the WC but also got banned. Dafran / Fischer / Kragie is a DPS trio that can match Rogue's 3DPS. It has a good Genji player that can do Dva in Fischer, Dafran has also played both Genji / Dva in matches before so there is flexibility between Genji / Tracer 2/2/2 and Soldier / Tracer 2/2/2."
@solid spear
pine star
Tfw there was an Overwatch tourney in my city and it was SO amateur there was a guy playing in pc with a controller
wintry matrix
dafran dva?
balmy wolf
then again AKM is on D.va duty a few times
still needs to learn the way of KR D.va though
wintry matrix
I don't think Brasil has much of infrastructure either, tho i'd supposed it be worse in the other SA countries
pine star
That's my point, Brazil barely has any, and it's still lightyears away from the rest of SA
pine star
And got bought by foreign countries because there's no infrastructure
solid spear
Sucks but yeah Daf wasnt going to play in WC anyway
Dafran plays more Zarya and Monkey than D.Va actually
pine star
It always looked to me like he's playing tough guy tho
balmy wolf
Would someone in OWL sign Dafran I wonder
solid spear
If they want him sure
The throwing thing isnt as big a deal as people make it out to be even if hes an idiot for doing it
If you trust him to not do that stuff again it doesnt really matter
wintry matrix
yeah
the only reason i could people not getting dafran was if that indicated that he was a cunt to work with
but kresnik and emongg had good words about the team atmosphere, so
solid spear
Its actually funny
balmy wolf
@crisp lynx any news on Selly, btw?
solid spear
On Atw after Selfless first OMM against Rogue Emongg said daf was the quietest person on the team
And then Dafran came out as full troll
toxic yacht
sorry, I don't speak mandarin
solid spear
I think Selly said he hasnt actually found a team
toxic yacht
LUL
solid spear
All indications are that Dafran isnt a bad teammate or anything
I mean Dafran isnt even toxic
Hes just a troll
wanton bronze
I thought he bmed etc as well quite often
toxic yacht
sinatraa was the BM guy
solid spear
Being an idiot doesnt make you a bad teammate I dont think that aspect is an issue
wanton bronze
ah ok
solid spear
Eh hardly and weve all bm'd a bit
toxic yacht
lul
pine star
Sinatraa's teabags were on point tbh
toxic yacht
I love bm, lul
solid spear
I love the teabags
toxic yacht
people who get offended about it need to get less sensitive imo
toxic yacht
like, I think that literally no pro cares
or anyone who's played online games for a decent amount of time
solid spear
Its funny more than anything as opposed to actually being toxic
toxic yacht
yeah
solid spear
But yeah Dafran will be back
Whether thats on an OWL team idk but hell be back
Funny the best dps on the market Daf,Carpe, Sinatraa are all selfless
toxic yacht
I wish I also didn't have a self
solid spear
They deleted the selfless emote
wintry matrix
btw, what was dafran's pool anyway? he's a god on soldier, and i know he played tracer and genji, but is he good on them? there's more heroes?
wanton bronze
he was very good on tracer iirc
solid spear
His Tracer and Soldier are top tier can play some Genji, Pharah, Zarya
pine star
His Pharah is nutty from what I remember
balmy wolf
It was mostly tilt pick as funny as that sounds
solid spear
Hardly ever saw it but can never remember him soloing a Jake/Rob Pharmercy
balmy wolf
Emongg told everyone about it
pine star
He consistently took Pharmercies by himself
balmy wolf
And also his Mcree is self admittedly shit
solid spear
Yeah his Pharah isnt much of a thing but like theres clearly something there
Yeah he doesn't McCree
pine star
So tilt pick or not, he's good with the hero
toxic yacht
I actually asked kresnik a bit at some point
his pharah is inconsistent
so they don't play her often
his mccree succ
genji was more of a tilt pick
solid spear
He actually plays a lot of Genji though at least in ranked
toxic yacht
and when it came to mei, he was more reluctant about doing set strats
he was a genji main in S1
balmy wolf
I mean JAKE/rob420 isnt the best Pharmercy duo in NA though
solid spear
Unlike Pharah he like actually has a real Genji
balmy wolf
So not a good barometer
solid spear
I get that its just the fact he was consistently soloing them like he has some talent for it
toxic yacht
also, dafran had issues with genji because of his sensitivity
it's low af so playing someone like genji was a bit shit
solid spear
I mean you want Dafran for his nutty 76/Tracer but he can play some other stuff
Dafran just upped his sens actually
He said on his last stream he was going from 8.5 to 9.5 he just felt it was a bit too low
wary falcon
Dafran has great soldier
toxic yacht
solider
solid spear
His Tracer is like
wary falcon
he is not vallutaja/soon level
wary falcon
i'm not even talking about birdring/effect
they're like
top 5
tracer players
OW scene is small and it's hard (for me) to name 15 good tracer players
balmy wolf
Do it right now in 20 seconds
wanton bronze
is aimer7 on that list ๐ค
wary falcon
please don't name players like unfixed as great tracer players
i have high expectations of your list
because of "great"
toxic yacht
soon, vallu, logix, tviq, effect, saebyeolbe, birdring, rascal, surefour
just a few I thought of in a few seconds
solid spear
Soon, Sinatraa, Effect, Vallutaja, Dafran, Logix, Davin, Kragie, Birdring, SBB, Baconjack, Surefour, Rascal, Tviq, AIMER7 are all great Tracer players
wanton bronze
kek
wary falcon
eh
toxic yacht
** R E F O R M E D**
balmy wolf
Where's aimer8 on that list
toxic yacht
T O X I C I N T H E P A S T E
balmy wolf
he's way better than that aimer7 chump
wary falcon
krusher99?
toxic yacht
random
solid spear
There was no order to it
toxic yacht
most likely
wary falcon
Soon, Sinatraa, Effect, Vallutaja, Dafran, Logix, Davin, Kragie, Birdring, SBB, Baconjack, Surefour, Rascal, Tviq, AIMER7
Sinatra, Dafran, Davin, Kragie, Baconjack are on the same level as others
i started to bet on OW in middle of world cup 2016
just my remark
wary falcon
i can't really put Sinatra and Effect/Vallutaja/SBB/Birdring on same level
wanton bronze
Your list doesnt match up with the top 15 on overbuff sorry
clever wagon
Isn't Krusher99 best flex tho
I'm thinking he's actually capable of playing every hero at a high level as necessary
balmy wolf
He's so good, you cant put him there
wary falcon
what the point of naming just tracer mains who are below other players
clever wagon
Yeah
clever wagon
Like, put Krusher99 on any role and he's gonna #1 it
wary falcon
We don't have many pro players
and it's quite weird to call just pro tracers - great tracers
that's my point
clever wagon
NRG happened
toxic yacht
it's the NRG curse
wary falcon
he met his fate
wintry matrix
oh is it? maybe the NRG trainwreck clouded my eyes
toxic yacht
his tracer and mccree
balmy wolf
Cant wait for iddqd to leave NRG and do really well
balmy wolf
like everyone else who left
wary falcon
tried to google about pro tracers and found
Tsyolin 5 points 11 months ago
Tracer sees limited use outside of KOTH but I have seen Surefour and AZK break her out both with pretty good success.
balmy wolf
LMAO
clever wagon
Let's just say they're all players who have consistently proven their skills in the matches they've played using Tracer
solid spear
He's still strong but I cant put him on that kind of list its been too long since weve seen him at an elite level
toxic yacht
back when tracer wasn't an instapick
I need to see IDDQD frag freely again
I don't think that he magically became shit
toxic yacht
but it's hard to rate him under these circumstances
solid spear
NRG was also a mess and he probably didnt get good space to do what he needs to do
wintry matrix
and nrg doesn't play frequently
clever wagon
Remember when Numlocked and Dummy got Orisa grav'd into Nepal Sanctum pit
toxic yacht
and he just looked down