do those korean teams not compare to the eu ones
#esports-discussion
balmy wolf
and even as inconsistent as 
was they also has a good showing vs Movistar Rider, eUnited, and Hammers, even when on about 10 cans of Redbulls
all i'm really saying is yeah, 
might lost this tournament. And the meme with the trash talks will flow. But in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter that much.
wintry matrix
agreed
balmy wolf
that DM from Nico
solid spear
Reverse sweep
sturdy granite
Damn, didn't expect such a fun match from these two
final river
Reverse
sturdy granite
Challenging Rogue on Kings Row
solid spear
Rogue has too many Europeans reeee
balmy wolf
@sturdy granite how badly was 
doing that they got full hold in 's worst map?
final river
lol "mercy main" gets deleted in twitch chat
sturdy granite
Rogue's done messing around
solid spear
Annihilated
sturdy granite
@balmy wolf I thought Rogue played a pretty mean Dive on KR. I thought most of their map losses on KR was against Selfless.
balmy wolf
King's Row and Ilios has historically been Rogue's worst map
final river
King's Rogue
halcyon fiber
if arc6 wins, what twitters can i expect?
feral solar
wut
final river
tilt
balmy wolf
Rogue historically has performed immensely well under pressure
going up against 
in Atlantic Showdown for example
or 4-1 
after lose to them twice in playoff and group stage
they reverse swept Selfless the first time they faced too
balmy wolf
@wintry matrix got reverse swept
clever portal
Good to see some other teams bringing the game close like selfless
balmy wolf
@clever portal inb4 xQC complains about too much French though
wintry matrix
not surprising, i did not watch much, but i saw some really bad ult usage from them
feral solar
when you cant get the countdown timer to work
wintry matrix
i just wanted the memes man 
solid spear
Selfless 
wintry matrix
Movistar is playing a local spanish team in 6 hours if anyone is interested
supple nymph
for charity?
wintry matrix
no, is a spanish tourney
limber pine
I don't know if these "recall into other maps" bugs are sad or hilarious
wintry matrix
just to show how hard and awful programming must be
supple nymph
according to the stats players in Quick Play don't preceive themselves recalling into other maps; it's just something we see in pro
solid spear
what the hell is this game
limber pine
So something wrong with the tournament build?
wintry matrix
there's no tournament build
limber pine
so comp, not pro?
solid spear
hmm wachu mean?
supple nymph
IMT > CLG = ROGUE > ARC6 > FNRGFE > EV > LG EVIL = TEMPO
wintry matrix
aren't CLG and arc6 pretty much the same
actually, clg may be better
but somehow arc6 manages to accomplish more
solid spear
Toy sighting ๐
but yeah theyre all just inconsistent as hell
even IMT looked a bit shaky yesterday and thats like the best team in NA outside the two in Apex
balmy wolf
people who were like "the gap between the kings and NA scene as a whole has closed"
and i was like "dude"
wintry matrix
i expected IMT to look more dominating after their contenders performance
balmy wolf
mind you I said Agilities played drunk yesterday and a few people disagreed with me
so rose tinted glasses are everywhere
solid spear
well tbf the gap could be closing
wintry matrix
i woudn't be surprised if it was shit internet
solid spear
but like theyre so inconsistent
wintry matrix
there was one moment where agilities died to a dva bomb where i could see he thought he was safe
solid spear
IMT does look like they could be on that level though
balmy wolf
@wintry matrix 
is playing from their team house in LA. That's about as good internet as you can get
15 ping to Blizz server
wintry matrix
aren't NA internet providers kinda shit?
balmy wolf
not in CA
i'm in TX and my ping is like 60
and then I heard people complain about having 80 ping
balmy wolf
There's a reason everyone and their moms based their teamhouse in CA
solid spear
well 40-50
balmy wolf
their internet are pretty great
wintry matrix
well, considering the others didn't seem to be that weird, i guess it was drunkness
but i do wish to see at least IMT overcome the na curse, they do are the most promising at the moment
balmy wolf
only after some KR blood injection 
but the success of Mighty AOD's players after their team disbanded is kind of interesting
because it gives a new perspective on their performance in APEX S3
wintry matrix
oh shit more reaper
balmy wolf
Reaper is really good for third point
crisp lynx
reaper meta coming?
wintry matrix
and yeah, i remember someone said that there's lot of crazy players scattered around KR small teams
wintry matrix
but i don't remember seeing him even in those situations before
i mean, as much as we saw him today
solid spear
well with the buffs I mean hes runnable
you already see him on like
Anubis B attack
still niche though
wintry matrix
also, hows silkthread in clg doing so far? i can't tell
wintry matrix
this is already filling my needs for takeover 3
supple nymph
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solid spear
I dont think theyre far apart
Fates monkey is top tier....and they can run Genji with D.Va while Rogue has to throw AKM on it to do that
Kariv isnt Unkoe but hes damn good
balmy wolf
AKM's Soldier got so much value that putting him in D.va alone is a risky proposition
unless he can play it like Coolmatt
but then there's no blade because then NicoGDH has to do it
solid spear
yeah I agree I feel like him on D.Va is a waste
but the only other option is triple dps if you want Genji
balmy wolf
honestly they needs to change their style to be less aggressive and more cerebral. And their current set up is perfect for that.
76/Tracer/D.va
bait people into diving on top of them
and then just maul them because you got one of the world's backline with AKM and Unkoee
their style has always been aggressive but right now if they can adjustedt their style to be slower I think it would do wonder for them
solid spear
IMT just has better flexibility in this meta
and everyone can play their best heros
I think itll be fun when they play
solid spear
Sombra is balanced
balmy wolf
CLG PICKED THIS MAP
AND THEY ARE GETTING DICKED ON BY SOMBRA
So just looking at scorelines now
Is this May Melee Yikes?
not really
solid spear
yeah theyve looked eh at timees
and Rogue really smacked them after they got the 2-0 lead
balmy wolf
you know what this EMP and Jeff bullshit reminding me of? Starcraft 2 esport downfall
Starcraft 2 used to had a strat involving creeps
or something, can't remember the exact details
but Blizz refused to nerf it because in ladder play they claimed that its only win rate is 50%
and it was one of the nail in the coffin that was Starcraft 2 esport
solid spear
I mean
I think itll get nerfed eventually
it charges waaay too fast
even if they give Sombra a little something in return idc but emp shouldnt be up every 10 seconds
balmy wolf
the condundrum with Sombra is that if you take that away from her, she is straight back to the trashcan
wintry matrix
it's only truly broken on 2cp right?
solid spear
eh really anywhere with important packs
wintry matrix
i wouldn't say that, her kit's pretty good
balmy wolf
Sombra is underutilize in most maps, but overutilize in 2CP
the only teams that used her outside of 2CP are KRs
and they usually does it to disable D.va
solid spear
yeah thats why I said if they give her a lil something in return idk what itd be fine
I mean even if its just a 15% nerf it needs something
its ridiculously easy to have it back to back fights
wintry matrix
i dunno, buffing dmg would be kinda against her kit
and her cooldowns are kinda short already
i'd say after this meta, i'd wish to see more teams experimenting with her outside of her comfort zone, i really believe in her potential
balmy wolf
her hacks are underutilize as a disabling tool
KR teams disable D.va using it before blowing up the tank line
meanwhile in theory you can use it to disable a support to prevent a support ult
etc etc etc
the potential is there but why do it when you can have an ult up every fucking team fight and then use it to win?
wintry matrix
also she can shutdown almost every dps
balmy wolf
Her hack has the same pick potential as a Roadhog hook
Hack a support, dive on him/her, rinse and repeat
solid spear
Well theyre very different
But hook had more counterplay than emp but ones an ult so...
balmy wolf
I never said it was not fine. I was only pointing out that people has been underused it
wintry matrix
i still find weird how little she was/is used outside of 2cp
solid spear
idk doesnt seem too weird
the packs there are very high value
and not as much so on most other maps
wintry matrix
i was thinking about how she can make half of the cast useless
balmy wolf
She would only be used on first point
And if she doesnt build an EMP in that time, she's useless
The best map outside of 2cp is probably R66
balmy wolf
definitely not
she can hack the earls mega for her team and then the cave mega for herself
solid spear
theres ok packs in streets I guess but thats mostly for her to farm off of herself the megas at least
solid spear
you should probably
Im just saying Ive seen teams a couple times
play it in streets
its not that good
wintry matrix
is hacking heroes considered that useless?
solid spear
the hero just doesnt do enough outside of emp do warrant using over Zen or whatever youre swapping to play her
on the maps shes played the value of emp literally every fight is so high that you run it anyway
balmy wolf
I feel like IMT has a pretty good chance to beat Rogue
Just going off map scores alone
I barely watched
clever wagon
So Timo is going on a break until 18th?
gusty notch
Yeah
clever wagon
Well, best of luck to him
solid spear
wha
clever wagon
I'm honestly having a bit of a trouble understanding this sentence
a comma, probably?
solid spear
you expect too much smh
clever wagon
I don't even mean anything bad
wintry matrix
i can see him doing that just out of spite
red anvil
should be plenty of weaker korean teams that have interest in the west
they might be actually able to beat something 
wintry matrix
i'd understand if it was over NA teams, but there's some awesome EU talent unsigned
i'd be sad if they choose koreans over them
i really doubt they wouldn't put EU cities
maybe for the first season of OWL
but after?i really doubt
faint peak
clever wagon
inb4 massive Korean rosters buyout for OWL and non-Korea regions get "invaded" anyway
NRG 
Is there any Korean willing to put up with a house full of ants
Ant stream now bois
And other ant shenanigans
red anvil
Seoul is as close to western as you can get it
red anvil
Dw they'll probably bribe a victory here and there eventully
clever wagon
Really? That ant problem looks like they actually need to burn the house down and then rebuild
clever portal
@crisp lynx the is a YouTube video of NRG saying their house has a lot of ants
Seija is making jokes about that
clever wagon
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Numlocked has a VOD for it I think on his Twitch
Full 30 minutes or so captured with phone camera
red anvil
Well seems carpe is getting a new team
inb4 NRGs OW team gets shut down in this month tho
balmy wolf
lol not happening
clever wagon
How many teams outside of APEX have bootcamped in KR again
LK, eU and IMT?
Though Reunited was in APEX S1
red anvil
tad bit weird that NRG goes fro another solider mccree main though
clever wagon
They have some secret plan
clever portal
Their plan is not a secret
red anvil
bribe themself to victory?
clever portal
It's literally outpay other teams
clever wagon
Like Miro who sees it in a long term that Reinhardt would have a hard time coming back into the meta regardless of any balancing because of map design
๐ค
clever portal
Other teams don't have 20 million
clever wagon
Other teams aren't backed by a real sports org yet, at most officially unannounced, if any
clever portal
Miro was right
Even if Rein comes back it will be on maps like Kings Row
Unless they give him a leap
red anvil
rein can now jump like winston, true leap
clever wagon
inb4 Rein gets Doomfist uppercut mobility
clever portal
When the other team sees you run Rein 
Who'd have thought that in a few months Rein became a hero you play in ranked
The new pub stomper
clever portal
Polo it's just Hulk
He's on vacation in KR right now
When did IMT bootcamp in KR?
clever wagon
The old roster was still around iirc
Before the massive Korean shipping
@clever portal
Probably even before Contenders started...? Not sure
I know they did anyway
balmy wolf
Yeah I never heard of that either 
balmy wolf
lel
solid spear
Rip
clever wagon
He probably needs "assistance" more than Dafran does
solid spear
He's right about Yikes being a way better name than Arc6 doe
clever wagon
Wrong
red anvil
i like arc6 way more
clever wagon
YOINKS is even better
solid spear
Arc6 is so bad
clever wagon
No salary
solid spear
But they have zero bucks
toxic yacht
lol wtf is xQc
rapid oxide
Pinball on twitch have 14k views
rapid oxide
Better than ow xd
solid spear
Pinball is flames
crisp lynx
AF red QuaterMain changed id, maybe he was released.
and Apex advance teams are almost finalized. LW red, GC busan, NC, rox, meta bellum. Af red is in 6th place, so failed.
GC Busan is a supported by local government.
balmy wolf
AF Red smh
red anvil
Pinball have 14k because GDQ just ended, they probably raided pinballjoe, big sponsor of the event
crisp lynx
is pinball esports?
red anvil
was a response to @rapid oxide comment
crisp lynx
aha, i just read it.
quasi python
GO SK
crisp lynx
i love these two emote. It's made so well.
@balmy wolf Nothing interesting.
hmm
because Apex is not finished yet and the World Cup qualifier is soon., everything looks like to be stopped.
recently, famous amateur vansquad is almost certain to be a script user. There is many evidence discovered that he lied.
and BK alarm and bunny trolling to LH fans as a matter of their transfers.
Because of team performance, Mano severely argue with fans in his stream.
These are normal controversy in korea like xqc&dafran in NA.
quasi python
crisp lynx
- common witch hunt to leetaejun, agape. because fans are so boring, they need victim.
crisp lynx
yes, almost. many believe it now.
Blizzard recently updated the anti-cheat system with screen capture.
He does not play games now and refuses to answer like explanation of his lies, and goes out of private chat room. He's playing PUBG now.
He said he is 32 years old, used A700 mouse and $3? cheap mouse pad. all turned out to be a lie by online tracking.
wary falcon
crisp lynx
sure. There are scripts already bypassing this in kr.
balmy wolf
@crisp lynx so what's his equipment then?
crisp lynx
he said his dpi. But this dpi was impossible with his mouse
toxic yacht
LOL
crisp lynx
we don't know. and he is 22 years old.
quasi python
whos cheating??
crisp lynx
Those who bought the same script already reproduce his strange skipping also.
In the past, his fans insisted that skip was due to using a cheap mouse pad. nobody believes it now.
balmy wolf
his strange flick, you mean?
toxic yacht
๐
balmy wolf
@forest raven a simple google will show it nonetheless
forest raven
That is not the point
Please refrain from posting links to sites that allow people to actively break Blizzard ToS
toxic yacht
wot is that avatar lmao
crisp lynx
haha, i don't know details about scripts. but as i heard, it's personally customized $500+ script. I hear it's made on-demand.
But nobody knows the truth.
balmy wolf
@toxic yacht Darkest Dungeon I think
crisp lynx
That is an unnecessary characteristic of his script engine.
So former LH leetaejun is witchhunted because he first introduced vansquad in his streaming.
crisp lynx
jeff said symmetra is op.
balmy wolf
he actually used KR as why OTPs should be tolerate
@crisp lynx how's KR's attitude toward one trick ponies?
crisp lynx
even otps, If he is as good as effect, we'll admit it.
effect was rank 1st, even when the tracer was out of the meta.
sure, there are some well-known Simmetra and Torb otp above GM, but there are many people who think they are trolls like Na.
balmy wolf
KR would just rage as hard as NA players when they got a OTP in their team, wouldnt they?
crisp lynx
yes. people are same in every region. some of them are reporting it a troll as just a pick.
solid spear
U_U
crisp lynx
some of you guys remember event match of kdp vs kdu.
meta vs mighty aod event match will be tomorrow in PTR server.
solid spear
Oh naisu
crisp lynx
Maybe they'll use doomfist. so ptr.
solid spear
Maybe 
crisp lynx
solid spear
crisp lynx
i love these emote really.
solid spear
Yeah I like that one too it's cute
waxen rampart
Whats the best team rn?
red anvil
nrg always
solid spear
Imo its KDP but like until we get more international LANs with neutral playing fields it's always gonna be hard to say
toxic yacht
I'd really love to see how a korean team would fare in a western style tournament
genuinly curious
apex finals are gonna decide who I'm gonna be calling the best team in OW
and even then I won't even be sure, lul
solid spear
Yeah I think its just smarter/safer to compare teams within regions atm
toxic yacht
if we're going by regions, either KDP or LH in Korea, Rogue in NA (although we haven't seen how effect nV would perform + they were throwing yesterday) and eUnited for EU
kinda funny, eU the best EU team
hehe
solid spear
eU defintely the best EU team Na is weirder imo
toxic yacht
I legit cannot predict anything in NA anymore
solid spear
Cuz we dont know how real IMT is and exactly how NV stacks up against Rogue/IMT in this meta
I do think those are the top 3 though
crisp lynx
IMT vs Rogue waiting room
toxic yacht
they probably wanted to run a genji-tracer dive
but like
aKm is their best dps
๐ค
solid spear
Yeah thats what it is
I understand why but like...
Just run double hitscan its a waste
toxic yacht
yeah, lol
balmy wolf
hey, better to throw on some meaningless online cup vs Shanghai qualifier 
toxic yacht
especially when the meta seems to be moving towards tracer + 76
toxic yacht
I mean, in terms of DPS, I've been seeing less and less tracer genji combos
but I dunno
I haven't been watching that much recently
so you'd know better
brb looking at the meta report
solid spear
Idk a lot of teams like IMT and some others have been playing like
Exclusively Genji/Tracer
toxic yacht
IMT ran a lot of 76 + Tracer back in contenders iirc, but maybe it was only during the groups, I dunno
they seemed to have moved back to genji tracer
note that I didn't watch most of the contenders playoffs because the time sucked+I had close to zero investment in it
solid spear
Lately every team just runs Tracer/Genji or 76/Tracer
76/Genji feels kinda dead
Triple dps is really only popular in EU
toxic yacht
based off what I've seen NA tends to run more 76+tracer while EU runs more genji+tracer or triple dps
toxic yacht
not surprised, lul
toxic yacht
can't think of too many NA projectile players, the region has a massive hitscan bias
well
they play shittons of pharah
so I guess that they play hitscan + pharah?
also, reinhardt 6%
wtf
that's so high
solid spear
I mean they still play more Genji than Pharah overall idk
toxic yacht
ya, definitely
also, NA seems to prefer pharmercy while EU runs more solo pharah
sooo, I haven't watched a single full BEAT match
which ones should I check out?
toxic yacht
DotA 2
solid spear
I guess Rogue/Arc6
toxic yacht
nah, I just want to watch matches overall
solid spear
And man I dont remember that much Rein lol
solid spear
Though he came out yesterday for a solid 6 seconds
solid spear
Idk if they did I didnt see
solid spear
But like during Arc6/CLG someone went Rein on Dorado for literally one fight got raped and switched
Idr who
clever portal
NV ran rein as part of their troll comp
solid spear
That little Rein usage is probably gonna disappear soon anyway
solid spear
Tbf Sojum
clever portal
IMO it's better to be released op like ana
solid spear
Orisa got 2 nerfs in PTR lol
wary harbor
Rip rein usage
solid spear
Ammo 200->150, super charger 15% extra
clever portal
Magazine decreased from 200 to 150
balmy wolf
toxic yacht
the moment people saw orisa everyone's reactions were "wtf is this shit"
"how should this replace rein?"
"wtf blizzard, do you even understand why rein gets picked?"
solid spear
Yeah well see how it is its not like Sombra though cuz yeah everyone saw Orisa and knew she'd be ass
solid spear
Im still kinda unsure on Doomfist though I dont think hell be quite as good as some people think
But at least it doesnt seem like hell be garbage
toxic yacht
I dunno, he seems to have a stupid high skill ceiling with all of his mobility and ways to kill people
feels like a character where we should just wait and watch
before we do anything
solid spear
Yeah I think itll take a little while to know for sure if hes really strong or not good
He's immediately less useless than like half the cast at least though
red anvil
i'm just afraid that the way he works will be another nail in reins coffin
red anvil
I still cross fingers that he'll once return, glorious as ever 
wary harbor
Rip me cause I'm a rein main 
toxic yacht
according to some people who barely played with him but are nevertheless theorycrafting since they actually understand the game, so take it with a grain of salt
who is roadhog?
yeah, rein, zarya, dva
solid spear
DF doesn't seem like a character thatll be playing behind a rein shield much
toxic yacht
ya
but doom behind a rein shield would be dumdum except he wants to kill dive heroes
clever portal
Missing sk vs C9
toxic yacht
but it was more of him enabling the rein
since he'll be taking a lot of pressure off him
clever portal
Hopefully game is still on in an hour
solid spear
He seems like hed be better against a triple tank comp than in one
wary harbor
Won't doomfist just make dive stronger
red anvil
In a cluth fight he would just manage to smack the rein backwards though
exposing the team
toxic yacht
well, the idea is that he fucks up dva + winston due to his burst damage and the fact that they have no way of mitigating it and that zarya would enable him with bubbles
alternatively, run along with a second hitscan hero
instead of triple tank
brb digging up the post
balmy wolf
Triple tank with Doomfist is kind of very anti dive specific
because there's no range whatsoever
toxic yacht
wary harbor
Yeah
solid spear
I think DF would be best in like some of older dive comps
red anvil
yeah read that already, i'm just afraid that a dive based sombra comp will completely obliterate it
solid spear
Iike the 2/2/2 with Winston, Zarya 2016 stuff
toxic yacht
which is why we gotta nerf sombra because she's fucking broken reeeeeeeeeee
clever portal
Sombra comps have no counter
solid spear
Sombra and Tracer kinda beat him hard
toxic yacht
smh I predicted that EMP is op as shit the moment she was announced at blizzcon
predicted exactly
what's happening now
minus dive
clever portal
If you want Rein back delete sombra
clever portal
She's a tank hard counter
solid spear
If it wasnt up every 4 seconds
toxic yacht
I'd be fine with EMP if it weren't up at every push
solid spear
Exactly
red anvil
sombras hack have always kinda worked on because you've had heroes that have managed to fire back at her to cancle it
solid spear
It's literally Mei again
toxic yacht
yee
clever portal
Here's the problem with sombra, she can only do this on 2cp
solid spear
Ult is up way too much for what it does
toxic yacht
she was ran on every map
clever portal
Building ults on normal naps is hard
vestal mortar
Yeah there is only like 30 seconds - 1 min window where there is no emp, it is too fast.
toxic yacht
in nv vs kdp
and got emp relatively fast
LH also makes pretty good use of her on payload attack
clever portal
And in qp (which Jeff self admittedly balances for) your team doesn't use your health packs
toxic yacht
he never said that they balance for qp...
solid spear
I mean if you have give her something in return whatever
balmy wolf
it is funny to meme about it though @toxic yacht
solid spear
But emp has no business charging that fast
clever portal
Don't kill the meme 
toxic yacht
I hate the memes about it because people actually believe it
and then perpetuate that garbage
reeeeeeeeeeeeee
clever portal
Making an argument which includes QP stats is stupid by itself
toxic yacht
maybe make her deal more damage to hacked targets or something
I just don't wanna see EMP up every 5 seconds
clever portal
How about her self healing charge remains the same
toxic yacht
she makes 2CP worse than it already is too
balmy wolf
between shit spawn and EMP, pick your poison
toxic yacht
or maybe just give in and buff her damage since the disrupter sombra isn't really working
balmy wolf
but 2CP is balanced - Jeph
toxic yacht
blizz insists on making her a disrupter, but she's only good because she's an EMP bot
like, just nerf the ult charge and buff her damage, lower her mag size, I dun fuckin know
red anvil
Sombra is balanced because she dont work in QP
clever portal
No need to buff the damahe
solid spear
clever portal
Tighten the bs spread
solid spear
Idk give her better spread or some shit
clever portal
Her damage is RNG
solid spear
But emp gotta get nerfed bruh
toxic yacht
oh yeah, her spread is fucking stupid
wintry matrix
i think it's because teams don't really give her a chance as a disruptor
toxic yacht
ya, fix that shit before doing anything else
KDP tried to run her as a disrupter
it worked very well, but they were stomping Flash Lux
clever portal
Because is a better disrupter in every sense
toxic yacht
it'd have been interesting to see more teams try to run sombra that way
but half the reason why it worked was because flash lux fucking sucks, lol
like, rascal won a 1v1 vs the 76
clever portal
I think Esca gameplay is comparable to Rascal vs flash lux
clever portal
Because he was playing as a DPS, like esca
balmy wolf
Like I said yesterday, Sombra is underutilized in term of her kit, because her EMP is too OP to not use it.
solid spear
You could even like make the out of stealth delay lower than .7 and make her spread better if it meant a 20% emp nerf
balmy wolf
her hack has great disruption ability outside of just farming EMP
toxic yacht
I'd really have loved to see more teams run her back in the tank meta since she in theory counters it's entire playstyle
too bad that people only got good at her after it ended
and that sombra works infinitely better with a dive
balmy wolf
i remember when people claimed that Sombra is a Reinhardt counter
and my reaction was "wut"
clever portal
Roadhog/Zarya/Ana is a dive counter 
solid spear
Thing with tanks too is that need for immediate constant healing as opposed to running for packs
Its harder to give up a second healer
toxic yacht
ya
also, a dive hero is so mobile that he can just go to a pack and back while barely missing out on any action
clever portal
Did you guys see the theorycrafting
I think some pros were saying you don't run healers at all
Because they would get instant killed by dive anyway
toxic yacht
nice mobile
wintry matrix
and why doesn't she?
clever portal
wintry matrix
btw, what end did skipjack found himself into?
solid spear
Such a shame
toxic yacht
got so fucked by the three-way trade
clever portal
Was skipjack good?
wintry matrix
it rmemeber hearing something about him trialing a team, but never after
toxic yacht
I bet he's salty af about misfits' current performance :(
although we all are
LK trialed him at some point
got replaced my mow
wintry matrix
or maybe it was just LK
toxic yacht
also, yeah
skipjack was pretty good
which is why I'm surprised about him not having found a team at this point
maybe his monkey isn't good enough for current standards?
I dunno, he was one of the guys who ran monkey when other wouldn't iirc
clever portal
Or there's no teams
clever portal
aKm DVa main now 
clever portal
It's possible he's better than Nico at DVa
red anvil
guess they would just train nicos Gengu
toxic yacht
aKm and unkoe are their best players, pls don't do this to one of them
clever portal
Genji very strong in NA, and in this meta tank players are very important
solid spear
Nico was on it more but still
red anvil
naw they switched to their default comp when they was getting stomped
solid spear
Soon ever having to switch lul
toxic yacht
feels like half the reason they got stomped is because aKm was on dva
methinks
like, dva is super important, but aKm is like, one of the best dps players in ow, period. I don't think that nico's genji is good enough to compensate for the lack of aKm
balmy wolf
Nico just need to ask B1shop how to run D.va better
his D.va is good all things considering tbh
solid spear
Its fine
solid spear
But yeah I agree with Sojum Genji isnt important enough to warrant taking one of the best dps in the entire game off dps
Pharmercy is really strong on Lijuang especially when youre dealing with opposing Pharmercy
toxic yacht
ya, that's how they normally run pharmercy
red anvil
i guess umkoe got practice on mercy playing with S4
Shame i hate pharmercy so much, akm is solid on that pharah ๐ฆ
solid spear
Ive always hating spectating it even like last June when it was popular its just boring to watch
toxic yacht
man, seeing twoeasy frag again makes me so happy
he's doing well, which means that he's gonna get kicked soon, lol
clever portal
They went out right?
toxic yacht
also, ZP not making many inconsistency jokes ๐
clever portal
Get ready for kick
solid spear
Nah he didnt form this team hes good
toxic yacht
true, I forgot
solid spear
Oh wait Reunited too he might be dead anyway
toxic yacht
pretty sure that he also made ReU
they've been playing together since their battlefield days
he, unfixed and 2 others
iirc
solid spear
Well he was part of it when it was formed I know
Im saying he didnt like literally put it together like Weunited/Bench Boys
toxic yacht
brb checking out the battlefield squad
balmy wolf
DreamKazper and TwoEasy are too good for Tempo Storm
toxic yacht
oh yeah, he was already together with 3 of them
dunno to how he could really "put them together" when it's only 2 people
toxic yacht
apparently twoeasy, unfixed, morte
winghaven maybe?
where is jackie when we need him
solid spear
Smh
toxic yacht
vallu
he, morte, unfixed and vallu
let's just say the he put them together for the memes, yeah, lul
solid spear
Mhmm
solid spear
supple nymph
i think 2142 had pro 
solid spear
I think 3 and 4 did too
clever portal
LUL
red anvil
i did not even notice that!
well found their past i just took the first world championship vid i could find
6v6 conquest looks kinda fun tbh
solid spear
Me and Sojum were literally just...
balmy wolf
@solid spear saw it lol
clever portal
Conquest felt empty even with 32 players
supple nymph
c9 best cs team
clever portal
C9 reverse sweep
The funny thing about battlefield is
There's potential for tactical play
But basically everyone runs and guns
You could technically play like cs
balmy wolf
I mean
it is a wonder by itself that made it to final
the more interesting question is can gets a legend spot in Krakow
red anvil
battlefield surely must have had the idea to make a competitve mode
if it dont have it already?
it would be so amazing
clever portal
Atleast 4 didn't
Closest thing I felt was Obliteration
Or rush
Game works on 32 vs 32
Not sure how a competitive game would work
toxic yacht
comp vs 4v4 or 6v6 iirc
jackie explained it at some point
he used to play bf competitively iirc
he already know the ReU guys from there
red anvil
in the vid i linked above they played a very small 3 point 6v6 conquest
red anvil
probably could probably have other modes created in the same way
toxic yacht
then they used smaller maps or just restriceted them
clever portal
I think kaku meant add comp to normal play
Like a ranked mode
There was a "skill" rating in the game
Not sure if it meant much though
red anvil
they had a quick join button if i recall correctly, that was never was used by anyone
i guess that might have used that skill rate system?
clever portal
Not sure why they removed it
Probably in balancing teams?
You can get rolled really hard in bf though
Much harder than OW
Literally 100-500
In OW atleast you can leave spawn
In BF you sit in metro spawn
red anvil
32v32 metro 
i miss good old BC2 rushes
but it had the same problem, it was so often stomp or be stomped
clever portal
The only maps with problems were Metro and locker
On other maps even if lost massively it didn't feel like a stomp
Because you can cap random objectives to spread them out
But bf4 Level 140 helis
Most rage inducing thing in the game
Actual hard carry
Worse than a good tank player
analog hornet
BT : xshinigamix SR : 2498 looking for people to get out of plat ^^ DM ME OR ADD ME EU/NA Main : Hanzo ( can play pretty much everything else)
clever portal
Main: Hanzo 
solid spear
That's spicy tbh
Wait BT? 
PlayStation or gtfo
@analog hornet in all seriousness try #185665683009306625
quasi python
RIP C9
supple nymph
twitlonger inc from c9
vestal mortar
Does this mean csgo talk is over now?
red anvil
now i can finally not not be confused which c9 people are talking about
vestal mortar
YES
balmy wolf
CSGO talk is barely 4% of this channel
meanwhile last convo was mostly about BF4.....
solid spear
I think its a clean 6%
toxic yacht
let's hope that rogue stops throwing and that agilities is sober
wintry matrix
is qc x1 normally this game of find the chicken?
balmy wolf
duel is very much a game of chicken
stack control
and a small amount of aims
Rapha is known for his passive, item control heavy playstyle
his aim is still better than 99% of the playerbase but his reads are legendary
wintry matrix
from what i'm watching rn looks really boring, i guess those reads could be interesting for someone who knows the game, but def not for me
wintry matrix
so what is the avg high level looks like?
balmy wolf
time to demod @limber pine
supple nymph
did arc6 change their logo again
limber pine
my boy @hushed bluff is on it
balmy wolf
@supple nymph yes
supple nymph
the fuck is it
balmy wolf
no sticky for main sub? @limber pine
supple nymph
๐
wintry matrix
that was kinda sick, but yeah, qc def no for me
wintry matrix
even with EMP rogue is barely winning defenses
like, they emp but still lose 2 members before killing
red anvil
and unkoe already got emp again for next match
nerf pls
ffs.
and he got ANOTHER ONE
supple nymph
Quick Play stats show she is fine?
balmy wolf
who picked the first map here? Imt?
wintry matrix
dunno
wintry matrix
that was sick from kariv
balmy wolf
Unkoee keep EMP after invisibility
he needs to EMP while visible
and also Agilities is still being drunk
wintry matrix
i think most of the people included in this match drank someting
i wouldn't be surprised if even zp and hex drink something during this
supple nymph
reaper 
wintry matrix
it feels like kariv takes a while to get emp
supple nymph
sombra land
balmy wolf
ok King's Row.
supple nymph
balmy wolf
at least Verbo wasn't THAT drunk
red anvil
akm wat are you doing
toxic yacht
oh wow, ZP said it before I sent the message
red anvil
he coulld have jumped down on the side
toxic yacht
he wanted to 1v6
red anvil
agilities deffo drunk
toxic yacht
again
balmy wolf
Agilties learning Genji from Arhan it seems
wintry matrix
didn't a kr coach said blade is useful for positioning too?
like, just in pressuring or something
toxic yacht
aKm be like "fuck off nico, ima go dps and carry yo ass"
clever portal
Are people SOON LUL'ing for soon dying on payload?
clever portal
That Zen accuracy
clever portal
Where's Vace
clever portal
Seagull streaming during tournament 
wintry matrix
this kind feels like a late-night scrim after a party that they're obligated to do because of quotas
balmy wolf
Agilities is definitely drunk
red anvil
lol kariv
red anvil
took both dps by himself
toxic yacht
@crisp lynx you know who this is?
oh, he's probably sleeping
hek
unkoe throwing the trans ๐คฆ
solid spear
Fate jesus christ
red anvil
Immortals 
balmy wolf
still sloppy with ult management
King's Row has always been one of their weakest map though
toxic yacht
lol imt
red anvil
geez
balmy wolf
Agilities still drunk
toxic yacht
this is getting out of control
wtf is this chase
they went so deep
it wasn't even rogue's spawn
red anvil
fate is rogue food
balmy wolf
Kariv: I can charge Transendance really fast
Unkoee: I can win LANs
also @toxic yacht https://clips.twitch.tv/ArborealHungryPeachUncleNox
3 mercy mains/OTPs in one team
toxic yacht
holy shit
lmao
agilities pissed ad triyng ot prove us wrong
grim and agilities on fire
I take back what i said
agil drunk
toxic yacht
agilities always stealing potg with cleanup
balmy wolf
what did they say?
toxic yacht
supple nymph
LOOOL
solid spear
they got the pack doe