esports-discussion

[clever wagon]

Blizzard is either forgetting or deliberately ignoring the fact that these eSports games grew organically by itself and the devs only start taking part/regulating after it's rooted solidly enough

[pine star]

@balmy wolf isn't the WC in Sydney in a huge stadium?

[balmy wolf]

https://www.star.com.au/sydney/functions-and-events/star-event-centre not really

[pine star]

Oh rip

I thought it was on that huge ESL stadium

[balmy wolf]

mind you

it could be this as well https://www.star.com.au/sydney/sites/default/files/styles/facebook_thumbnail/public/thumbnails/image/event-centre-sportscrowd.jpg?itok=c71-IlG4

so not too bad for a venue

[pine star]

I just hope production is top notch

Have they announced the talent yet?

[balmy wolf]

not yet

apparently it will be similar to last year

which at least will has ZP/Hex and Monte/DOA

JKap and Uber are my guys though

[pine star]

They better not say it's just the OW Contenders crew

We need a proper analyst desk along with the casters

And Soe, we need Soe

[balmy wolf]

well

Shanghai qualifiers' team is this https://puu.sh/wDPzb/e00fc19ab1.png

so the storyline will roughly be "who will be 2nd finisher after Rogue"

[pine star]

Qualifiers?

[balmy wolf]

yeah it is only group stage

[pine star]

You mean group stage

[balmy wolf]

qualify for Blizzcon playoff

lolz

[pine star]

Derp

[balmy wolf]

tonight though, BEATS Invitiational

let's see how Rogue has been after some vacation

[toxic yacht]

The real question is whether Rogue is gonna 4-0 South Korea or not

[balmy wolf]

they flunked out of APEX early but boys they sure has the better end of that stick

unlike

[toxic yacht]

That's the most exciting part about the WC finals

[balmy wolf]

for all we know all the teams that include WC members are already done with the match except for

so they still need to wait until at least the final

which is next week

until that they can't practice

Katowice is still at least a month

so plenty of time for them to get their shit together

[pine star]

Lucky they don't play next week

[balmy wolf]

Canada and Netherlands potentially plays spoiler

but a team with Mangachu is kind of cursed

[pine star]

Throwgachu

[solid spear]

Im honestly pretty disgusted by Taimous behavior and cant support NV knowing he is on the team

[balmy wolf]

lol

[pine star]

Oreo pls

[solid spear]

Waiting for the fine

[clever wagon]

Wait, was that not a joke?

I really can't tell from text

[pine star]

Which one?

[clever wagon]

Oreo

[pine star]

Ah

Well

I've learned to never take Oreo seriously

[balmy wolf]

I mean his dad is Dafran

so

[solid spear]

[pine star]

Oreo

[solid spear]

That's a spicy one

[clever wagon]

You saw nothing

[pine star]

Too late

[clever wagon]

Shit

[balmy wolf]

talk about though. They are the perfect team for Detroit

always collapse on playoff

[clever wagon]

5 hour energy that gets burned out after like the 3rd map or so?

[balmy wolf]

and relied on their carry lord Mangachu on Pharah

@clever wagon basically

[clever wagon]

[balmy wolf]

they are the Detroit Lions of OW

which is more than appropriate

[solid spear]

Implying Detroit teams make the playoffs

[pine star]

5 Minute Energy® Detroit Renegades

[clever wagon]

I mean if we're being extremely honest right here... well, 3-map energy, give or take

[pine star]

Half a Series Energy® Detroit Renegades

[clever wagon]

5-minute is pretty rude, they still don't ej- I mean get exhausted that prematurely

[balmy wolf]

lol

[pine star]

kek

[solid spear]

.-.

[clever portal]

They still knocked out C9

Never forget

[clever wagon]

Anybody screenshot that?

[clever portal]

C9 just needed to tie the game

[clever wagon]

Pussy, Sulli. I left mine up longer than you did

[balmy wolf]

of course, Cloud9 OW might be no more

[pine star]

I don't know what you're talking about

[balmy wolf]

too Cloud9 for the owner

even has pull a reverse occasionally over the months

[clever wagon]

Jack C9-ing his own roster

[rapid oxide]

lol totally forgot about envy afb

did i miss smth?

[balmy wolf]

spoiler: get rekt

and generally not giving a shit

[clever wagon]

NV roster bought out by NRG

[pine star]

Vake pls

[solid spear]

Yeah that match got skipped

[rapid oxide]

pls i was at work

[pine star]

I am at work, excuses

[limber pine]

so am I

[pine star]

I still didn't watch it lol

[rapid oxide]

ur job is easy then

[limber pine]

yup it sure is

[pine star]

I wish

[limber pine]

[balmy wolf]

tonight though

vs will be a spicy match up

[pine star]

Poggers

[rapid oxide]

cant wait imt win and can't wait xqc rage

[clever portal]

@rapid oxide NV threw for dafran

Timo walked out at end of game

People BabyRage because he didn't hand shake

[clever wagon]

IMT, Corndogs, LGE, Rogue

[rapid oxide]

hope he will quit now

[clever wagon]

Spicy shit

[solid spear]

I was spoiled by 8 hours of Daf strim truly blessed

[clever wagon]

No more ConnorJ in EnV though 🔫

[solid spear]

Jaru is nice though

[limber pine]

why did he leave? personal?

[balmy wolf]

"has to take a shit"

[solid spear]

Just as good tbh

[rapid oxide]

aka im a dipshit

[balmy wolf]

tonight will be vs and vs

can't wait for to choke again

[clever wagon]

It's not impossible to actually get nauseated/whatever sickness from bad mental experiences is it

Plus all the alcohol

[clever portal]

LG Evil might be in trouble

The LG curse struck them

[pine star]

Did you just fucking jinxed them

[limber pine]

is a good team

[balmy wolf]

tfw LG drop their Evil team and import a full fledged KR one

basically pulling a Brazillian

[rapid oxide]

is analfist a good hero btw?

[pine star]

analfist

He's broken af

[clever wagon]

5-Hour Energy Fister

[rapid oxide]

like sombra?

[pine star]

This time it doesn't look like an overreaction unlike Sombra

[clever portal]

Nano doomfist

[solid spear]

I think people are overreacting again

[pine star]

He can one shot all the squishies without burning all his cooldowns

[solid spear]

But we'll see

[clever portal]

They got tired of noobs ulting shields

[balmy wolf]

if anything, according to the KRs Doomfist lends himself better to a counter dive formation with tanks

[clever portal]

So he ignores shields

[rapid oxide]

even pros complained about barriers

[clever portal]

No BabyRage DVa ate my ultimate

[rapid oxide]

"overbarriers" BabyRage

[pine star]

He is faster than Tracer to get to points

[clever wagon]

How much dmg is Meteor Fist at the center?

[solid spear]

300

[clever wagon]

Only 300?

Hm

[pine star]

And don't get me started on his teleporting invincible ult

[rapid oxide]

[pine star]

450 nano meteor strike

[solid spear]

The ults really not hard to avoid tbh with most relevant characters

[pine star]

The grav + meteor strike combo looks solid

[solid spear]

Yeah but grav plus most shit is solid

[pine star]

True lol

[clever portal]

The grav can get eaten

[pine star]

It's a great engage tool still

[balmy wolf]

his ult has no counterplay though

except maybe sound barrier but that's a risky proposition

[pine star]

I hate the fact that he's invisible AND can move like faster than Zen's ult

[balmy wolf]

I mean people asked for someone to shake up the meta

and now they have it

and he is seemingly OP as fuck

so you know

[pine star]

I ain't complaining lol

He looks fun af to watch

[clever wagon]

He takes like some solid seconds to actually come down though right?

[pine star]

Yup

[gusty notch]

New heroes should be a little op I think

We can fix em later, better than making them underpowered

[pine star]

^

The LoL way

[dusty surge]

One fucks the game until they're fixed, the other is no change.

[solid spear]

Ideally they arent and its the other way around since a slightly underpowered hero doesn't have negative effects on the game

[dusty surge]

I would prefer the game be not in a fucked "come back after they nerf the new hero" mode.

[gusty notch]

Yeah but it's new and exciting and different

[solid spear]

Granted people have shown they have no clue what is overpowered or not for a little bit anyway and its been literally 1 day

[pine star]

I mean they can still nerf him a little

[gusty notch]

It takes so long to fix a weak hero

[pine star]

But make him just op enough so he gets playtime earlier

[dusty surge]

No it doesn't. It takes so long for the community to stop shitting on a hero. Look at Reaper. It took a largely inconsequential change for people to stop bitching about him.

[solid spear]

It may be more fun but thats not how you should balance a game

[dusty surge]

Perception is a bigger part of the issue than actual balance.

[gusty notch]

Same result

No one's playing them cause they're weak

[pine star]

I think they should shake the meta more often

Not every 4 fucking months

[dusty surge]

The difference is by releasing a hero that's actually overpowered breaks the game. If they release a hero that's underpowered -- or perceived to be underpowered -- and then bring them in line, the rest of the game continues without being busted.

[solid spear]

Youd rather have a Sombra where it takes a while for the character to be good than an Ana where the game is literally warped around her for 2 seasons cuz her being op is fun

[dusty surge]

^

Triple tank was dildos.

[gusty notch]

Better than this shit

[pine star]

@solid spear I'd take the middle ground between both

[solid spear]

Everyone would

[dusty surge]

Not really. Dive is stale now because it's been hammered into the ground, but this is the closest thing we've had to true parity since release.

[clever wagon]

APEX S2 period 👌🏻

[gusty notch]

What

[solid spear]

And DF isnt changing the meta significantly

If theres no balance patch

[gusty notch]

Its just dive all day

[dusty surge]

And I still maintain that a large part of the whole "erryone run dive hurrr" thing is just a desire to copy/paste the pros.

There are other options that are perfectly viable.

[pine star]

Parity

[balmy wolf]

Lunatic Hai coach: "everyone has to run dive now"

🤔

[gusty notch]

Oh great

This bullshit again

[solid spear]

At high level this is literally like the least parity weve seen in a long time 13/24 heros have 4% usage or less

[dusty surge]

Stop sucking your own dick for a while and you'll see that literally more than 99% of the playerbase isn't running hyper-coordinated groups that practice for 40+ hours a week and therefore have one strat they're going to apply.

[gusty notch]

Who gives a fuck

[clever portal]

I sincerely don't give a shit about the player base

[solid spear]

And stuff like Rein and Hog actually got nerfed

[clever portal]

I want to see balanced pro play

[pine star]

Are we talking about the whole player base? I thought this was about esports

[limber pine]

da fuk did i just walk into?

[gusty notch]

The casuals can play what they want

[balmy wolf]

NA rank is kind of a bad place to judge, since it is the least competitive ladder scene

[clever portal]

They paid their 39.99, they can go chill in arcade

[clever wagon]

I mean I thought this talk has always leaned towards the pro scene

[pine star]

@limber pine run before its too late

[solid spear]

And what's releavent in plat or masters or whatever is irreleavant to a lot of us we dont spectate that

[balmy wolf]

@limber pine argument about meta again.

[gusty notch]

And you don't need hyper coordination to run dive

[solid spear]

Especially when like you said people will ultimately mirror pro scene regardless

[gusty notch]

Like even in master if u don't run dva u lose

[limber pine]

@pine star #esports-discussion is my safe place

[pine star]

@limber pine there is no safe place

[balmy wolf]

funny how this "perception" thing never come out when people running tanks

but that's not my problem.

[dusty surge]

I'm seeing so much of the whole "throw game in spawn because you didn't pick the comp I wanted" mentality here.

[clever portal]

He needs to read r/overwatch every day

[gusty notch]

???

We're throwing now

[clever portal]

@dusty surge where did you see it?

[solid spear]

Literally no one said anything about throwing the game

[gusty notch]

You are just making shit up Lol

[dusty surge]

The behavior is the same. One comp always and forever.

[clever wagon]

Can you read even dude?

[solid spear]

Cept my Dad lul

[gusty notch]

False equivalence

[clever portal]

Read the channel title

[gusty notch]

Jesus christ

[clever wagon]

Because it's the reality of the pro scene currently? What the flying fuck?

[velvet scarab]

lol ceiu

[balmy wolf]

reminder that he is the one that claimed that the meta is not resolved because a team run Mei along with the usual suspects for 2 mins

so you know.

[solid spear]

I mean all we're saying is this is esports so naturally discussion is going to be revolved around the meta at the highest level other stuff simply isnt that relevant

[dusty surge]

Except that's not where the conversation went and it'd be disingenuous to say otherwise.

[clever wagon]

....??????

[gusty notch]

It was about dive being stale

[balmy wolf]

a lot of people saw that conversation, lol.

and also, rank meta in NA is kind of shit because everyone like to run their shits, but a lot of them will want to win

thus they will gravitate to dive

which is the most meta comp atm

NA Rank has KolorBlind and Stev000

does that mean Bastion and Symmetra is viable?

[clever wagon]

Meanwhile Koreans are having their own comp mode in custom games lmao

[pine star]

Abandon thread

[balmy wolf]

I'm just waiting for FaceIt

which is coming soon

[velvet scarab]

PvP is also NA right?

[balmy wolf]

PvP?

[gusty notch]

Pvptwitch

Junk main

Ya he's na

[balmy wolf]

meanwhile NIP throwing vs C9

[clever portal]

C9 can still throw

Or choke

[balmy wolf]

and they didn't

ah well, at least NIP got through to the playoff

vs next

UP!

[clever portal]

Going to be good

[wary falcon]

tournaments before major always weird af

[toxic yacht]

Im honestly pretty disgusted by Taimous behavior and cant support NV knowing he is on the team

[clever portal]

I think he should be removed from the team. His performance depends too much on his mood and whether he likes the meta, where he is, what he is eating, the quality of his bowel movement, etc. The whole thing shows him as unprofessional, and I don't see how an org could invest 10m or so into a team with him on it at this point.

[copper bane]

never really liked taimou i agree with tailspin

[solid spear]

Im honestly pretty disgusted by Taimous behavior and cant support NV knowing he is on the team

[toxic yacht]

that's a pasta pls don't hurt me

[limber pine]

[clever wagon]

It's Talespin btw

[toxic yacht]

Yep

[clever portal]

This guy is actually one of the best payed player in OW and make even more money when he streams. He can travel everywhere, his job is litteraly playing a game.

His only duties are to be good at the game and be a decent public personnality, that's fucking all. He failed at both today and cries like a bitch because living in a hotel is too much ... Lol give me a break.

Maybe he should go back to a normal life, working in a normal job and maybe he will realise how privileged he is.

[solid spear]

Kestler these are pretty spicy

[clever portal]

I copy paste nothing but the best

[vestal mortar]

Aww I missed all the fighting

[solid spear]

.-.

[supple nymph]

i mean, noone is in his shoes

but other teams are stressed and dont turn into babies

🤷

[wintry matrix]

could've been worse

imagine if he streamed himself throwing competitive games while also reading a visual novel

[wary falcon]

can't even imagine this one

[rapid oxide]

even worse if it was a pseudo hentai

[toxic yacht]

man, I bet that he'd get comp banned

maybe even banned from blizzard tournaments

[wintry matrix]

i admit i would chuckle if it was one of those pseudo-deep shit like Subahibi or Umineko

[toxic yacht]

luckily no one is that dumb

[wintry matrix]

really? that's unfair

[wary falcon]

it was Nekopara

[wintry matrix]

i know

[wary falcon]

or with similar name

i bought it on steam

[toxic yacht]

ya, nekopara

[wary falcon]

wanted to make a review about game and dafran

[toxic yacht]

👀

[solid spear]

I gotta stream it for Dad

[wary falcon]

only 1.3k hours?

[toxic yacht]

probably he nolifed 1.6

and maybe source

[wary falcon]

his reddit name is dafranCSGO

[toxic yacht]

yup

[wary falcon]

only 2k hours

Wutface

[clever wagon]

I was thinking to buy Nekopara complete in sale

But I gotta save

[solid spear]

Ah it was like 5 a volume

[clever wagon]

Sorry dad I can't follow in your footsteps just yet

[solid spear]

Or something

[clever wagon]

No, 4

0-3

[solid spear]

Oh nice

[toxic yacht]

yoko

dude

your taste

has been redeemed

[wary falcon]

always expecting 5k+ hours for semi-pro player

csgo

[solid spear]

My taste didnt need redeeming

[toxic yacht]

don't think that dafran ever went semipro on cs

probably played it a ton and streamed a bit

[wary falcon]

my friend's account: http://steamcommunity.com/id/fufloq

[solid spear]

I mean he had a spicy CSGO stream this morning

[wary falcon]

this is not afk hours btw

[toxic yacht]

I mean, taimou was a tf2 pro

10k

wtf is this

10k in 2 games

is your friend even human?

[wary falcon]

he is playing half-drunk all the time

Taimou played before steam stats were introduced then

[toxic yacht]

oh yeh, that'd make sense

[wary falcon]

9,411 hrs on record
last played on 11 Jun

shadowburn

[toxic yacht]

when were steam stats introduced?

[wary falcon]

around 2009 if i'm not mistaken

[toxic yacht]

ahh

tf2 came it in 2007

wonder how many hours he'd have with all of the stats

[wary falcon]

yep, this is why cs 1.6 pro player have little hours

[toxic yacht]

that actually explains a lot

never thought of it that way

also, holy fuck shadowburn barely has games

20 games on steam

did he just nolife tf2 or what?

well, judging by the fact that he's like, 20, it's not that surprising

[wary falcon]

He is 20

[clever portal]

20k hours on valve games

Is your friend Russian

[toxic yacht]

most likely, lul

I mean, I always assumed that jackie was russian

[wary falcon]

i said it 4 or 5 times

i'm living in Russia

eastern siberia currently

[toxic yacht]

ah

[limber pine]

what time is BEAT?

[supple nymph]

5:30 EDT

[rapid oxide]

@solid spear disgusting weab

[limber pine]

@supple nymph not that I don't believe you, but where is that info?

[supple nymph]

https://www.over.gg/4464/imt-vs-clg-overwatch-beat-invitational-season-2-playoffs-ub-r1

[wintry matrix]

man, i can't get hyped for BEAT. not only because of Rogue, but because of the matchups the're probably only be one or three matches that prob won't be stomp

[limber pine]

TFW liquipedia and gosu got nothin

[supple nymph]

http://beat.gl/overwatch-beat-invitational-schedule/

[clever portal]

Yeah no hype for me as well

Atleast it's something I guess

[wary falcon]

skrill doesn't allow me to bet on this game

[clever portal]

It's 6k tournament

Maybe too small?

Also, Eastern Siberia

[limber pine]

I bet two dimes and a piece of gum

[wary falcon]

i mean my money is locked by skrill

[supple nymph]

https://twitter.com/Cloud9/status/883072889376849920

Cloud9 (@Cloud9)

Hit up the Cloud9 store for your very own C9 fidget spinner and/or C9 flag! https://t.co/HVaJLYhMlZ

Retweets

280

Likes

1185

Twitter

[toxic yacht]

no.

[pine star]

https://twitter.com/overdotgg/status/883357543959068674

over.gg (@overdotgg)

📰 Runner and Mirage step down from starting RunAway roster
https://t.co/UGB9qoSyXm

Twitter

[toxic yacht]

:(

[pine star]

🕯

[gusty notch]

[wintry matrix]

:biblethump:

[clever portal]

[solid spear]

[rapid oxide]

Mirage

Runner

[vestal mortar]

😭

[rapid oxide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuNhTLVgV2Y

[red anvil]

[clever portal]

But runner stream

[sturdy granite]

😢 🔫

[quasi python]

faze upp

[balmy wolf]

now for Optic vs SK

tfw Optic upset SK

[quasi python]

sk vs faze again

[clever portal]

Optic beating SK

[tired escarp]

runner and mirage are going to stream to support runaway

[clever portal]

Yeah, they need the money

Sounds like they still don't have an org

[tired escarp]

no sponsors

they'll be replaced by new future members

[gusty notch]

[clever portal]

Maybe if they got out of groups they would have one

[balmy wolf]

btw

with the rumors of C9 OW imploding

would Kaiser and Xepher go back home? 🤔

[clever portal]

Atleast Kaiser is a big enough name to find another team

[wintry matrix]

i thought it was just a meme

[clever portal]

Probably with not much trouble

[wintry matrix]

Kaiser is big in Rein, in winston he didn't proved himself as much

so he's not as attractive aquisition in this meta

[clever portal]

Should still be a serious option to consider though

He's popular as well

Of course, I think C9 will keep their team

Xepher no idea

Depends what his reputation is like

From an observer perspective he looks like a good flex player

I think he's blacklisted in KR?

[wintry matrix]

why?

but if someone has to go in C9, it's probably kaiser

[balmy wolf]

Kaiser is a good main tank

so he will find job

there are two things that are rare in OW: good main tank and good shotcaller

and Kaiser is in the first category

as far as Xepher I think he is blacklisted in KR informally due to his involvement with the Greguri stuff

but he is a good enough off tank/flex that he will also find job

[clever portal]

I want to see Xepher at a major

They cucked themselves so bad not being in S1

I want to see if Xepher is on the level of players like Zunba

[supple nymph]

http://imgur.com/OwiJgAB

predictions

[balmy wolf]

@clever portal Takeover 2 was a major

and C9 as per usual C9'd

not quite sure about IMT vs Rogue tbh

@supple nymph

they look a tier above all other NA team and they can make sweat heavily

[clever portal]

I think you underrate tempo

But they did just get destroyed in contenders

[supple nymph]

maybe, I guess it would feel weird for selfless to go against them over and over trying to win and have IMT do good against them the first time they fight

[balmy wolf]

just bench JKW

[clever portal]

Did arc 6 find a new player?

Custa right?

Might be good

[balmy wolf]

https://www.twitch.tv/kragiee

🇷🇺 vs 🇩🇰

[wintry matrix]

i think IMT will definetely do better against Rogue than last time

but still 3-0, 3-1 tops

very happy to be proven wrong

and see my boi winz get shit-talked

[balmy wolf]

well, Mighty AOD got stomped vs

and while they showed a style that is decisively above all other NA team

is still

and even as shit as their campaign in APEX was played against KR so they knows what's up. Not to mention all the vods available of them too

they has a stiffer road so while I expect to give a fight

is the underdog here

[clever portal]

Rogue doing vod review

[clever portal]

But seriously

They have no coach

Any vod review will be the players themselves

[gusty notch]

need a coach to tell soon to never play mccree

[supple nymph]

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/overwatch/Lanf3ust

[balmy wolf]

he is more their manager

[wintry matrix]

so Hulk trialing was just get contacts for him?

[supple nymph]

https://puu.sh/wE0Ht/3685ac227f.png

is their manager more their ceo

[balmy wolf]

@wintry matrix basically

[wintry matrix]

i remember they saying Lnfeust was more like "Life coach" or something, like, i don't think he's in the heavy duty of strategizing and what not

[supple nymph]

well...

https://twitter.com/Rogue_lizlin

Lisa Lingvall (@Rogue_lizlin)

🇸🇪Personal trainer and nutrition advisor for #RogueOW @GoingRogueGG 💪🏻

Tweets

641

Followers

852

Twitter

[wintry matrix]

looking at liquidpedia, none of the teams in that 3-way trade had a coach

[toxic yacht]

https://twitter.com/mattr0d/status/883042056482033665

flame (@mattr0d)

First caster to use the term 'fisted' during a broadcast will be fired on the spot, guaranteed.

Likes

310

Twitter

[wintry matrix]

you can't stop ZP and hex

[clever portal]

Achillos got fined today

[wintry matrix]

by ogn or by bliss?

[clever portal]

He just said that "it doesn't look like NV give a shit'

So chat started spamming fined

[supple nymph]

can an employee get 'fined'? lol

[balmy wolf]

yeah?

deduct from pay lolz

[toxic yacht]

reminder that this happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g6xwHGHfTg

admittedly, it was a tiny beta tournament

also, this

https://clips.twitch.tv/LaconicDirtyMeerkatUncleNox

gives me hope for doomfisting

[supple nymph]

mydong hehe

[balmy wolf]

https://twitter.com/AlicusOfficial/status/883357379047424000

Alicus (@AlicusOfficial)

how many RTs for OWL spot, @PlayOverwatch?

Twitter

🤔

[gusty notch]

KOX are great

[clever portal]

Optic up 13-2

[placid blade]

wowee

[balmy wolf]

csgo

[placid blade]

what about the south korean dabbers

[balmy wolf]

@clever portal IKR

[quasi python]

why astralis not qualify...

[clever portal]

I thought they were skipping this

They didn't qualify?

[balmy wolf]

they skipped ESL Cologne

can't qualify if you prefers to bootcamp to prepare for Majors instead

[clever portal]

ez

[balmy wolf]

lol

[supple nymph]

so fancy

overwatch esports should have k/d stats so we can witch hunt better

[clever portal]

Could do with those news tickers as well

Stats like kd don't mean much

Some could be cool though

For example, tracer duels won

[gusty notch]

jeff said they were working on a stat database right

[clever portal]

Imo a live replay would be good

For example post game the analysts jump to a time

In that time switch to third person

With a pen mark out things they want

For example strats

Positioning

Like soccer

@gusty notch what sort of stats database?

[gusty notch]

like, a stat database

i need to find the post

In addition, the developers are adding a Total stat section to the career profile page, which should combine Quick Play, Competitive, and Arcade win rates, hero playtime, and hero-specific stats detailing your performances overall.

wait

[clever portal]

https://selfless.gg/news/orgupdates

Selfless disband

🕯

[wintry matrix]

it was only the manager and brad don't?

from what i read, the brand and the OW team still are together

[clever portal]

Unfortunately, with many other organizations releasing their rosters, and given talks we’ve had with those in the space, we were not able to sell our team as a whole to any other organizations.

Seeing the news of all their other teams being released or sold

This would suggest that the team is released

[balmy wolf]

basically

[clever portal]

https://gyazo.com/fb95c87b07c83bbf79230d105357b4b5

[balmy wolf]

it is a near bingo

but all the one that needed to make a bingo is team that won't be imploded soon

[solid spear]

yeah Eunited out here blocking the bingo smh

[wintry matrix]

i do wonder if they'll compete as ex-selfless together, or go separate ways

[solid spear]

its interesting too cuz like

they have a house

and just imported a Korean

[balmy wolf]

Dont post that weak shit in here @clever portal

Row 3 and 6 are not happening

Row 5 is most likely

Maybe column 3

[wintry matrix]

how 5 is likely?

Movistar is pretty solid

[clever portal]

Misfits mediocre results

[balmy wolf]

they are still in Contenders though

which means that they can have another shots

I'm surprise that CLG haven't kill their roster yet

and recently just got Silkthread

Look at every other column and row @wintry matrix

and CLG has even more mediocre result than Misfits

[solid spear]

I mean

considering what we just heard with Immortals and OWL row 5 is like

def not a thing

[wintry matrix]

i think row 3 is more ls the more likely

[clever portal]

CLG has the possibility of growth

[blazing parrot]

RIP SELFLESS

[red anvil]

ffs

[balmy wolf]

NRG have an OWL spot mate

[red anvil]

selfless tho?

[balmy wolf]

Team Liquid has the money for OWL btw. Cloud 9 is more than likely though

Row 3 is not happening

[clever portal]

Yes, NRG and Immortals certain to stay

[solid spear]

3 and 5 are blocked

[clever portal]

How about Row 1

[wintry matrix]

Rogue def ain't

[balmy wolf]

Rogue wont drop

[clever portal]

If Rogue gets bought by OWL, technically is new org

[balmy wolf]

RNG could but Rogue wont

So row one and column one are a no go

[clever portal]

For example org just buys the team

[solid spear]

RNG TO Tempo are like the only really likely ones

[clever portal]

And Rogue is no longer the org

[solid spear]

if we count transfers

technically 1 is possible

[balmy wolf]

Yes that would still count, but that still wont be happening anytime oson

[solid spear]

if like Kraft buys em or something

[balmy wolf]

Carpe to 🤔

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6lvxc2/selfless_organization_team_updates_org_shutting/djwzdxm/

[clever portal]

Yeah what is Carpe going to do lmao

[balmy wolf]

so almost everyone is FA

except for Sinatraa who is still under contract

but realistically everyone should be able to find a home

Carpe and Sinatraa most likely

"Dafran - Under Contract / reforming"

lmao

[solid spear]

ah Sinatraa and Dafran contracts not up though not that that makes too much of a difference

[red anvil]

I just hope emongg and mikael will find a team quick

[solid spear]

I guess that makes sense why Daf said yesterday he wouldnt be playing for Selfless wasnt an option anyway

[clever portal]

So Dafran not toxic like reddit claimed?

[red anvil]

Sucks for carpe that just came to US though

[wintry matrix]

not toxic, just a dumdum

[solid spear]

Dafran shouldve been permanently banned I hope to never see him play again after his embarassing behavior

[clever portal]

I meant for that clip yesterday

He said on stream he won't be rejoining selfless

And there were people reddit saying he's a dickhead

And that he has no respect for his old team

[solid spear]

well theyre dumb

anyway so

[balmy wolf]

ultimately Dafran's throw was the catalyst for this tbh

if Selfless qualify

probably things would be much different

"hey, how about Dafran to our team?"

[solid spear]

Emongg , Dhak and Carpe should be on new teams fairly quickly

[balmy wolf]

"the guy who threw so hard Selfless imploded?"

[solid spear]

Dhak becomes a top Lucio FA

[wintry matrix]

is it?

[solid spear]

also Selfless didnt just drop their OW team they dropped everyone across the board it was a major orginazational shift

[wintry matrix]

i dunno if teams would be reluctant because of dafran, considereing how good he is

[solid spear]

how can that be pinned on Dafran

they wanted to sell the roster off anyway

[wintry matrix]

i think has more to do about orgs in general being reluctant on OW

[balmy wolf]

and they couldn't because they didn't has a good result in Contenders

[wintry matrix]

also that

[balmy wolf]

that traced back directly to Dafran

of course i'm just memeing but that doesn't mean that it is not true

[solid spear]

they couldnt sell it off before then either

[wintry matrix]

i think it factors, but i don't think is that big of a factor

[red anvil]

they might have been managed to be sold then

[balmy wolf]

I wonder how much of it was Selfless inability to actually win an OMM

[red anvil]

only diff

[solid spear]

Kresnik might have a lil trouble finding a squad rn though unfortunately

with the meta the way it is

[wintry matrix]

feelsbad

[clever portal]

I would say emongg as well

Unless he's on winston now

[balmy wolf]

oh, Carpe to 🤔

[solid spear]

I thinkEmonggs pool is good enough

[balmy wolf]

Carpe to replace Gods 🤔

[solid spear]

cuz he can dps flex too

[clever portal]

Don't change c9 roster PunOko

[balmy wolf]

oh they probably will

KR coach

NA approach

[solid spear]

NRG probably has to look at Dhak now know theyve been playing with Phaz but

Dhak is better

hell could even look at Sinatraa lul

[balmy wolf]

Sinatraa as proj 🤔

not bad of an option

but they are trialing Snow though

[clever portal]

Maybe sign sinatraa dafran duo

[red anvil]

iddqd and sinatraa would be strong af

[clever portal]

What about S4 => NV

Sinatraa => C9

[solid spear]

yeah could play Sinatraa for double hitscan and have him flex Genji a bit

no real Pharah but I guess thats not too important and Harb has a meme Pharah

[balmy wolf]

it is a downgrade though

and also S4's cloud9 franchise player

[solid spear]

for C9 that would be

[balmy wolf]

you don't give away your franchise player

unless the team itself is imploding

[solid spear]

and the S4 stuff could very well be a huge meme

likely is

thats their guy

and has been

that teams always been built around him and I dont understand why theyd change that short of everyone on the team hating him which doesnt seem to be the case on the surface

[clever portal]

We didn't see anything with mendo from the outside

And apparently there was a problem

[balmy wolf]

S4 is good but inability to win is worrying

and of course the whole Mendo coup thing

[solid spear]

idk they have talent but

yeah they just never seem to be quite as good in practice as they are on paper

[vestal ermine]

I just saw the news about Selfless, RIP

[solid spear]

I guess the meta isnt exactly great for Kaiser but hes still solid

most the Selfless guys will find their way on new teams

[balmy wolf]

oh and this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/320745379937386497/332968993076019201/unknown.png

[red anvil]

so curious to see what team emongg ends up on

[balmy wolf]

his hero pool is weird

and not meta atm

Roadhog is shite

while his Winston is not as good as dedicated main tank

[vestal ermine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/178698794286710784/332962628273963011/xd.jpg

[solid spear]

he can kinda flex to hitscan though

[red anvil]

he has a solid d.va and zarya as well

[balmy wolf]

not when xRetzi and Carpe is on the market

[solid spear]

his D.Va is meh

[balmy wolf]

he can be a good flex though I think

or off tank main

[solid spear]

If Im NRG

I see if I can just grab half of Selfless

Sinatraa/Dhak/Michael

chemistry is there

clear upgrades

[balmy wolf]

nah

it would be too logical for NRG

[solid spear]

lul

[balmy wolf]

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sq0sit

[clever portal]

https://twitter.com/eUnitedgg/status/883408883657699328

eUnited (@eUnitedgg)

We will not give in!! 😡 https://t.co/04NXdeDjxd

Twitter

[wintry matrix]

maybe NRG want phaz for shotcalling?

[vestal ermine]

eUnited: "Surrender? I have not yet begun to fight!"

[solid spear]

Eh Phaz is solid but like

xqc said it there isnt a crap ton of Lucio talent available

[balmy wolf]

eUnited just won 25K. Why would they left their team to dust 🤔

[wintry matrix]

remember that he's undefeated at international lan

[solid spear]

but with Dhak now like

hes the best west Lucio FA

[clever portal]

Thats Grego according to reddit

[red anvil]

interesting that they still keep dafran under contract

i guess they wane earn some bucks on him and sintraa

[clever portal]

Could just be contract lenghts

I think dafran was new

[solid spear]

I mean yeah its just not up

doesnt mean much cant imagine buyout is high and it might even be over by the time he can play

[toxic yacht]

buyout is 10$

[solid spear]

or 8 hours of Dafrans salary at McDonalds

[clever portal]

I heard dafran got signed by McD

[solid spear]

[red anvil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6lvxc2/selfless_organization_team_updates_org_shutting/djx17ki/

If Dafran was in denmark he probably wouldent need at all to work right now

[clever portal]

Why

[supple nymph]

do they get uhh what's it called

you just get a salary for living

[clever portal]

Unemployment

Universal income?

[supple nymph]

yea that

[red anvil]

radicilously strong goverment healthcare

[solid spear]

He is in Denmark

[red anvil]

is he? i thought he was still in US

[clever portal]

Nah in EU

[solid spear]

no hes in Denmark and going to Italy today actually

[red anvil]

huh okai

[solid spear]

Said he hasnt seen his dad in a long time so going to do that which is cool for him

[clever portal]

Does Dafran know you're Dafran Jr?

[solid spear]

on here? no lul

[red anvil]

Selfless, number of players: 0 FeelsBadMan

[balmy wolf]

https://puu.sh/wE4VA/1401eb35d3.png

FeelsMidnightMan

[red anvil]

And he probably gets way better help in Denmark then he does in the US so thats really good to hear

[clever portal]

Also true for carpe LUL

Come to NA

Dropped in a few weeks

[toxic yacht]

[solid spear]

Midnight dropped twice in a month

[clever portal]

So we know why they aren't in

[supple nymph]

does that logic extend to c9

[clever portal]

C9 not in beat

[balmy wolf]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/157348092

ZP tried to test the stream

and somehow has this one up

basically just him rekting bots as Tracer

[clever portal]

Guys I have bad news

Beat has

[balmy wolf]

what

[wintry matrix]

i actually like him live

he's just an ass out of it

and the memes make it somewhat worth

[clever portal]

Yeah, omm team

His rants are funny

[toxic yacht]

https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/blog/20890513

[wintry matrix]

https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/blog/20890513

aw, you beat me to it

OH

LOOK AT THAT

AT THE RIGHT CORNER

[toxic yacht]

[clever portal]

Fucking wolf lmao

[pine star]

YES

[clever portal]

Atleast take papa

[gusty notch]

who is that

[pine star]

YES

[toxic yacht]

YES

@rapid oxide

he's fucking sleeping reeeeeeeeeee

[wintry matrix]

ESPORTS ARE SAVED

[pine star]

FUCK YES

[clever portal]

or watching sk

[wintry matrix]

on less relevant news reinforce and flame will be returning too

there's only jkap missing

[toxic yacht]

wtf

I just realized

that jkap isn't there

lol

10/10 blizzard

🤦

[wintry matrix]

wasn't that Malik guy in the injustice stream before the USA x Canada showmatch?

that Uber praised a lot

i also dunno who Mr. X is

[solid spear]

[toxic yacht]

Mr. X was in a ton of LANs

you 100% know him

you just didn't know that it was him

[pine star]

Doesn't Malik cast Melee?

Mr. X is the smolest in last year's talent

[solid spear]

SFV

[pine star]

Oh yeah, that

[balmy wolf]

No Jkap/Uber pair

[toxic yacht]

very smart

from blizzard

lol

hope that it's only because jkap is busy

[pine star]

No Uber hype

[wintry matrix]

prob also to give more work to jamerson

which is fine

i just hope there's more tourneys so everyone has a spot

Atlus was the apex caster everyone liked right?

[spare quail]

Does anyone have a link to the beat invitationals?

[wintry matrix]

https://www.twitch.tv/beatesports

think it's there

[gusty notch]

[spare quail]

Thanks

[clever portal]

Atlus LUL

Hope that was a meme

[wintry matrix]

i dunno, i just remember people praised one and mostly bashed the other two apex caster

can't remember which one

[clever portal]

Papa is good

[pine star]

Actually, there are 4

[clever portal]

Achillos is alright

[pine star]

Atlus and Wolf get bashed

[clever portal]

Wolf okay

Atlus a joke

[wintry matrix]

my worry was that they choose the two "bad" ones for WC

[supple nymph]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6lwn73/jeff_kaplan_on_recent_game_balance_concerns/

[pine star]

Not really @wintry matrix

Achilios is one of the good ones

[clever portal]

They chose a good one and a bad one

I disagree with Kaplan

I think more priority should be given to pro meta

Seeing how 20 million is needed a slot

[gusty notch]

The top 6 picked heroes (over the last month) in Quick Play are Genji, 76, Hanzo, McCree, Mercy and Junkrat. For the statistical majority of Overwatch players who are not pros and don’t play Competitive, this is your meta.

who givess a fuck about the quick players....

[wintry matrix]

please hammer this down on people " The ability is extremely powerful in a very unfun way for both Mercy and everyone playing against that Mercy. But it’s not doomsday. These aren’t game breaking issues. They are better fixed slowly and carefully as the overall game is not ruined by them. I’m just using these as examples. "

[red anvil]

". Dive itself is an interesting comp. It’s fun to play and watch. "

no Kaplan >_>

[wintry matrix]

he's not wrong, after all the main problem is staleness and lack of diversity

[red anvil]

Apex s2 dive was perfectly fine

i'll agree with that

[wary falcon]

https://images.discordapp.net/attachments/288733425374986254/332992771524788224/unknown.png

best MM

[red anvil]

you'll be fine, judging from the name it's a mercy main

are you aussie or something? dont think i've seen plat with gms before

[wary falcon]

I'm playing on asian server

i've seen gold with gm before

and i was gm

[vestal mortar]

I'm gonna meet Soe!!! AHHHH

[wintry matrix]

youll' get the blessing

[toxic yacht]

🙏

[clever portal]

". Dive itself is an interesting comp. It’s fun to play and watch.

new copypasta

[wintry matrix]

but srsly, this all the feedback we waiting for, myself i didn't see anything to complain about it

[clever portal]

Pls be joking

This confirms my worst fears

Kaplan considers arcade and quickplay pick rates as a sign that the game is balanced

[wintry matrix]

i said above, everyone complains about staleness and lack of diversity

read again "It drives players crazy when I post stats like that because they want to know about Competitive and not Quick Play. The point I am trying to make by posting Quick Play is that the numbers show that that is what the majority of players are actually experiencing which is different from perceiving. But looking at Competitive only… here are the top 6 picked heroes: Mercy (by a long shot), 76, D.Va, Lucio, Ana and Genji. Interestingly, number 7 is Reinhardt. Next tank after that is… Wi… no Roadhog. So in the past month in Comp, that’s what you’ve been actually playing.

But let’s talk about the elite players… maybe the top 3rd of all MMR. Their top picked hero over the past month was…. Ana. Yes, Ana. "

[clever portal]

And releases this copypasta:Dive itself is an interesting comp. It’s fun to play and watch.

[wintry matrix]

also he says how about the balance team shouldn't go changing the game just to shake it up, as that could be unhealthy

also, most of all, he says this is just his personal opinion, not of the entire team

it's a really insightful piece

[clever portal]

I agree about not needing heavy changes

I'm really biased towards pro scene

I feel like he didn't address any of the pro concerns

[wintry matrix]

about the meta?

[red anvil]

dosent need heavy changes, but something needs to change in order to make dive less appealing

in favor of 2/2/2 rein or even tripple tank

[clever portal]

Yes

Maybe ranked meta is fine

[wintry matrix]

i totally agree with that

[clever portal]

Pro is still 97% winston

[wintry matrix]

but it's been said before, these changes will take time

you can't just haphazardly change stuff

[clever portal]

Nerf dva tonight

[red anvil]

remove d.vas defense matrix

[solid spear]

me waiting for Winston to be removed

[supple nymph]

https://puu.sh/wE89C/3eba77b084.png

[balmy wolf]

Remember when people said that Blizzard surely havent been balancing for plebs?

LoL

[solid spear]

dont worry the new hero will counter dive

[wintry matrix]

i guess you guys can just keep on the circlejerking instead of reading the post

[solid spear]

nah I didnt readit

[balmy wolf]

I read it btw

[solid spear]

just saying nothing

like the problem is I did read it lol

[balmy wolf]

So dont be a smartass and tell me that i circlejerk

[supple nymph]

WHERE SLASHER

[wintry matrix]

like, actually reading, not just picking one part of it and going "bliss for casuals amirite"

[solid spear]

I read the whole fucking thing

[supple nymph]

WHERE

[wintry matrix]

dva biggest example of that, as said in the post

[toxic yacht]

he never said that he balances around qp and arcade

lol

he was complaining about the people acting like the staleness of the meta affects them

even though it doesn't mean shit for the majority of the playerbase

[solid spear]

As spectators it does affect us just because the majority of the playerbase plays quick play or isnt high ranked in comp doesnt mean the meta staleness doesnt matter

[toxic yacht]

note that the majority of the playerbase isn't a spectator

again, he didn't talk about how qp and arcade affect balance

he was talking about people whom it doesn't affect at all talking like it affects them

[wintry matrix]

i think the biggest takeways from that post, are that change solely for the sake of shaking up is bad

[solid spear]

people dont want change just for change sake....people legitmately are not satisfied with the extreme lack of diversity in high level play

whether or not high level play is important to people

is another thing

but Im talking about what I care about personally

like this is esports discussion I understand this is an echochamber that looks at thing differently from a large portion of the fanbase

[wintry matrix]

i think one thing is to be unsatisfied (which i'm too), another is demanding immediate and unthoughtful changes

[solid spear]

no one wants unthoughful changes

weve gotten those recently anyway

we dont need stuff gutted

[wintry matrix]

there's a lot that do, from bronze to pro

[solid spear]

or overtuned

[wintry matrix]

and Road wasn't unthoughtful for as much we don't like it, it was just a change of philosophy

[solid spear]

but thats also why the PTR exists and they did claim that theyd use it in that way

to actually test these things and experiment

they just dont so thats not an option

[toxic yacht]

PTR is only there for bugs

[solid spear]

oh I know

[toxic yacht]

because fucking 5 people play it

lol

perfectly understandable

[balmy wolf]

Going to need to get back to the KB for this shite

[solid spear]

Im just saying what Blizzard claimed theyd do in November

and literally have not done

[toxic yacht]

no way that I'd balance based off PTR outside of very small situations like the bastion shit

[wintry matrix]

also remember that part when he agreed that mercy and road weren't in good spots, but it still ain't doomsday

[toxic yacht]

nono, this is #esports-discussion

where everything is negative

and we only circlejerk about how horrible blizzard is

and only highlight the negative parts of whetever they say

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[wintry matrix]

i generalized, sorry

but i do think this channel are too quick to blame, or bark at the wrong tree

ofc there's the possiblity that i'm completely wrong and the game is doomed

[solid spear]

Ive never said the game was doomed and I can wait for changes doesnt mean I cant disagree wth certain things if thats means Im circlejerking and entirely negative then whatever tbh

it is what is we'll all be here watching in the end

[toxic yacht]

I'm not talking about you specifically, I'm just really tired of this channel overall

every time I come here

it's just people saying the same shit

over and over

only complaining

saying the exact same things

just discussing for the sake of discussing

including non-esports related things

and r/cow

[wintry matrix]

the circlejerking i have in mind is repeating stuff without really thinking about it or why i happened, also what Sojum said

[toxic yacht]

and it gets really tiring when literally all you see is people trying their best to be negative

[solid spear]

CLG doing solidly against IMT rn btw

[toxic yacht]

wtf

BEAT IS HAPPENING

WAT

also, CLG not getting rekt?

wot is dis

wtf how did I not know that this is live

[wintry matrix]

i mean, there could be some stricter guidelines if the discussion is ruining the channel or something, i'm open for that discussion

[toxic yacht]

fking kill me

[wintry matrix]

i knew it was, but as i was not hyped, i did not watch, maybe i'll tune in

[toxic yacht]

well, you gotta remember that ow esports isn't in a particularily great spot right now

[red anvil]

Do no teams manage to be reliable but Rogue in Dive? :p

[toxic yacht]

I'd rather wait to see if the scene improves

before adding new rules

[wintry matrix]

that's my stance too

[solid spear]

I mean Ive been watching it just we were having this discussion

[toxic yacht]

100-0ing IMT

wot is dis

[wintry matrix]

CLG step up, or IMT throwing?

[tough agate]

this isnt a BO1 is it

where's the score overlay

[solid spear]

Im not sure

[wintry matrix]

liquipedia says is bo5

[toxic yacht]

maybe they just forgot?

[solid spear]

I guess theyll update it after the first game or something

[toxic yacht]

I dunno

[solid spear]

idk

[tough agate]

lets play guess the map score

[wintry matrix]

how i missed the OMM spirit

[toxic yacht]

[solid spear]

[toxic yacht]

yeah, this feels very OMMy

[wintry matrix]

but i love you anyway

[toxic yacht]

wtf is happening

[vestal mortar]

NotLikeThis

[balmy wolf]

http://i.imgur.com/5CXfP9G.png

[toxic yacht]

no jkap

only uber

[vestal mortar]

ikr Polo

[toxic yacht]

also, welcome back to the world of the living

lol

[vestal mortar]

I want to meet Reinforce too

[toxic yacht]

oh yeah polo, CLG kinda rekt IMT

on lijiang

right now

[balmy wolf]

reading the Jeph post