the difference between the #1 and #2 team
#esports-discussion
balmy wolf
you mean Rogue/nV and everyone else?
solid spear
I miss McCree 
toxic yacht
every game is a stomp
same with eU and the rest of EU
they fucking stomp everyone in EU
then rogue comes and stomps them
because it's all dive here and there
and the one with the slightly better dive stomps the other team
solid spear
yeah a few months ago Selfless actually battled Rogue hard theyd probably get shat on if they played rn
toxic yacht
like, I see where kruise was coming from
rogue and eU really aren't that far apart skill-wise
it's just... this meta
solid spear
like
toxic yacht
I'm actually at the point where I'd go as far as saying that vallu is potentially the better tracer than soon
balmy wolf
this meta has always been ass
toxic yacht
but a dva bot
toxic yacht
I already said, I don't find the meta ass
that's just my biggest gripe with it
I would appreciate some diversity though
solid spear
All my McCree boys are Tracer one tricks 
toxic yacht
also, I find it funny how mccree bois who aren't taimou are all such good tracers
unlucky
solid spear
Taimou is so good but his pool is just eh rn outside of 76
toxic yacht
people even forgot how much of a McCree god soon is
solid spear
his McCree was very good
granted even if McCree was good he wouldnt be on it
cuz AKM is better
toxic yacht
his cree made me wet
akm is kinda better on everything apart from tracer and probably reaper
maybe also widow
autumn merlin
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solid spear
even Reaper is debatable
But AKM one of the best players in the game so not saying much
toxic yacht
yup
that's kinda like saying that a flex player is worse at his heroes than tviq
you're just gonna be like "yeah? how surprising, lul"
toxic yacht
which is why aKm and TviQ were the best goddamn DPS duo in the game fuck you 3-way trade I want my old rogue back
solid spear
and TViq
wew
a team with AKM and Tviq still had major challenges and lost series often in EU
just goes to show how strong EU was back then
solid spear
old Rogue would just wipe everyone rn
toxic yacht
lul
balmy wolf
Vallutaja and Kyb 
solid spear
solid spear
they were still clean though
balmy wolf
2Easy and Kyb
toxic yacht
for 3 whole matches
solid spear
Bromas, Linkzr, Art1er used to be nice af too
balmy wolf
Art1er moving to support was a sin
toxic yacht
he died so that linkzr could play dps
balmy wolf
solid spear
toxic yacht
it's kinda weird
solid spear
even like
toxic yacht
to think back about how much has changed in a year
toxic yacht
ah yes, they also had a but of a projectile issue
lul
it's kinda funny how zaprey was playing tracer the entire time
with soon on reaper/mccree
balmy wolf
Zaprey was godlike
solid spear
he was
balmy wolf
then he left for school like a pussy
toxic yacht
dunno wtf happened to him
toxic yacht
he's shit now
solid spear
thats why Im 
toxic yacht
he recently moved to CA iirc
solid spear
I said nothing bad about Based Reaver
toxic yacht
make sure not to π
his widow was cool, I guess
was never impressed with anything else from him though
he did kinda show up at the ow open again
reminder that method beat c9, but at the time everyone beat c9
solid spear
Harb and the boys took em out too that was fun
toxic yacht
oh yeah, beat them at the atlantic showdown
the loss vs rogue was the start of their downfall
balmy wolf
Reaver is probably out of the pro scene for good though
due to his racist outburst
that also coincidentally ruined Ajax' career
solid spear
I remember cuz I was a Harb sub back then before he was super popular and remember Harb on stream popping off cuz they werent last place lol
solid spear
yeah he was happy
solid spear
honestly that TSM/coL team really was one of the greater than the sum of its parts teams they really didnt have insane talent on that team
yet they were top tier NA for a while
balmy wolf
they were average for a really long time though
and only top tier in NA because....well, barely anyone was NA back then
solid spear
fair enough
toxic yacht
still managed to achieve more than the roster had any right to imo
balmy wolf
it is kinda like how LG/NRG once was "3rd in NA"
balmy wolf
I remember when Dreamhack Winter was supposedly their coming out party
because they trained so hard before
balmy wolf
as ZP put it, "hyperbolic time chamber"
toxic yacht
I'm still satly about that
balmy wolf
well, and vs Misfits too.
balmy wolf
they got to the playoff at least
toxic yacht
they had the upper hand before the crash every time
NiP got better at countering their shit with every map replay though
until they massively outperformed them
I still wonder how it'd have turned out without the game crashing
wtf just watched teh anubis round of method vs c9
solid spear
NiP was cool too they were too meta dependant though
toxic yacht
method pulled something even worse than a c9
lmao
they just flat out didn't contest the point
solid spear
like they werent top 6 EU until close to OW Open
balmy wolf
NIP trailblazed a whole meta though
toxic yacht
NiP should really have won dreamhack
taht was their tournament to lose
kinda threw vs fnatic
balmy wolf
Fnatic did fuck them over by using a map that involves D.va.
and NIP didn't want no D.va 
toxic yacht
ya
kept running quad tank with monkey
mafu really wanted to stick to zarya with zappis dpsing
balmy wolf
that's why they have Davin and Linkzr now
they will play in Gamer Assembly ROG though
which is a good stop gap before WC and Contenders S1
solid spear
Hymzi
toxic yacht
oldschool divecomp bois
balmy wolf
fun fact: NIP actually ran Triple tank before the Ana release 
solid spear
that comp was spammed so much on koth like the Genji spot was kinda flexible but
those 5 on koth were
a couple teams played a lil trip tank before Ana actually
wasnt as good though
balmy wolf
hell, i ran it with some randos 6 stack on here
when r/overwatch discord was still new
"hey guys we have 3 tanks main"
"....."
"let's roll with it then"
proceed to went 3-1
toxic yacht
ya, genji spot was mostly reaper
EU teams often ran mccree in it though
which was interesting
I always find hero bias in specific regions interesting
like how EU and KR tend to play more Genji and Cree while NA always liked Pharah
balmy wolf
solid spear
Pharah was pretty out of favor across the board aroundd this time actually NA teams loved Tracer across the board though even outside of Koth
toxic yacht
I mean, pharah was pretty much dead
solid spear
yeah
toxic yacht
the only time I saw people run her (very rarely) was with NA
pretty sure that it was Talespin and Surefour, mostly
solid spear
Tale but even then that was kinda rarish he was on Tracer a ton
solid spear
he had a Reaper/Genji too but his Reaper was worse than Taimous imo
and his Genji wasnt anything special
solid spear
it was fine yeah
balmy wolf
you mean like the elimination game vs KDU last season? π€
toxic yacht
like, tale on genji, taimou on tracer
π€
taimou's tracer that game was a fucking throw
holy shit
literally the worst tracer map
balmy wolf
Kongdoo civil war soon 
toxic yacht
and he picks her on defense
solid spear
it was just good so you ran that sometimes
supple nymph
wasnt that earlier today polo?
toxic yacht
like, on anubis
vs rogue
they ran a defensive dive
with tale genji and taimou tracer
that's like, wot?
solid spear
Hulk Cocco Winston/Zarya though 
toxic yacht
they're relying on hulk's winston and cocco's zarya to carry them
rogue ran junkrat, ya
they ran dive/reinhardt
solid spear
Coccos Zarya was so good man
toxic yacht
weird mixes
solid spear
like top tier
balmy wolf
mind you, NRG ran dive defense on Route 66 during theiir NGE Winter Premiere qualifer
right in the middle of tank meta too
toxic yacht
and now they were running barely functional triple tank comps in the dive meta
I really do not understand that team
lul
solid spear
are we talking about like Melee NRG with Mendo?
solid spear
well he was talking about barely functioning triple tank comps during dive meta
balmy wolf
this is what happen when you let NA team being NA team
solid spear
thats what Im referring to not NGE
balmy wolf
toxic yacht
I was talking about new NRG overall. they later transistioned into more divey things, but they tried triple tank for a while
solid spear
I just hope theyre really diligent with choosing the 3 new members though
balmy wolf
NRG pioneered dive defense before anyone else
@solid spear knowing history
expect tragic circumstances to happen
solid spear
its very possible lul
last team had the problem of being built with Seagull in mind though
funny cuz they probably couldve had Nesh who wouldve been godlike
wintry matrix
i don't think they even built with seagull in mind, considering the different playstyles of the other members
or i dunno, maybe is the fault of the coach whou couldn't unify the team under a single vision
or maybe twitch match-fixed to influence seagull to go full-steaming
toxic yacht
lol
solid spear
I mean the team had a multitude of problems chemistry wise but Seagull dipping last minute defintely hurt a ton
balmy wolf
NRG was putting together like how an r/compow pleb would put a team together
"oh IDDQD and Harbleu on FA list? Send them a contract now!"
At least that's how I imagined the whole thing went down
wintry matrix
that sad part is that they seemed to really enjoy each other, which you can't say for all teams
solid spear
thats why Im saying rn they need to continue hiding and do a lot of trials
and really find out what fits
pool wise
stylistically
at least theyre starting from scratch with both supports
solid spear
I mean we all know how much a screw up NRG has been
toxic yacht
lol
solid spear
but you have to just hope itll be better
toxic yacht
nice ow esports there
balmy wolf
pubG esport
solid spear
Paladins
clever portal
Overwatch esports
wintry matrix
tbh i could see stuff like Culling and PUBG being esports
they look exciting enough
tho i guess it would be way too dependant on storylines
toxic yacht
Splatoon 2 esports
wintry matrix
Arms esports
solid spear
ARMS isnt gonna be a real thing in FGC lol
but yeah it could get like Evo side events maybe
and Sojum we still needa recruit for our Spla2n team
solid spear
if were doing pokemon I can finally flex
wintry matrix
as in being the trainer and the pokΓ©mon?
solid spear
nah as in flexing on everyone 
supple nymph
Twitter
clever portal
A reasonable post 
solid spear
Idk about D.Va being like the major balance issue not alone anyway
but well see theres probably gonna be some kind of major patch by the end of the season
clever portal
The one thing I don't like about this game is that patch staggering
They will only balance patch during major updates
Usually with an event
wintry matrix
it's so nice seeing discussions in a calm and collected manner
toxic yacht
Reinforce π
clever wagon
CALM AND COLLECTED? FUCK THAT. DAE DED GAEM?
wintry matrix
i'd make a Bastard copypast but i'm too dunk for that
solid spear
._.
supple nymph
@haughty inlet https://twitter.com/meeshell_t/status/882661854530678788
haughty inlet
lol
wintry matrix
everything would be daijobu if Runaway stuck together
clever portal
Reinhardt mains
solid spear
Reinhardt
wintry matrix
on the bright side, every day that passes is one day closer to our glorious junkrat meta
clever portal
The bronze Junkrat mains have been waiting for a long time
final river
I was a Rein main, sucks now.
wintry matrix
jokes on you i'm a plat junkrat main
clever wagon
π― ππ» Dafran ππ» π―
clever portal
One month anniversary of the ban in 3 days
sturdy granite
InB4 Dva gets reverted to her launch state
clever wagon
I wouldn't put anything past Blizzard now tbh
clever portal
Taimou would celebrate for a day
Till he realises instead of DVa in his face, he'd have 3 dps
sturdy granite
I just realized Taimous on the right side, not fully shown yet, lol
clever portal
They forgot the trigger warning
gusty notch
3 dps is much less cancer
clever portal
Gg ez is TAXIC
crisp lynx
hi all 
wintry matrix
i'd say having trouble to deal with dva says more about your skill than dva
clever portal
@crisp lynx 
wintry matrix
hi
sturdy granite
crisp lynx
i've send kr story for you
wintry matrix
bless
crisp lynx
rumor between former conbox MyungHoon, bk bunny ~ LH
also bk Alarm ~ Kongdoo
runaway kox blamed Kaiser and coma seriously.
He said they did not leave team in the normal way.
wintry matrix
wasn't coma benched?
solid spear
Thing with D.Va is youd have to probably buff other stuff if you hit matrix and nerfing her alone doesnt solve everything Winston is probs a bigger problem
crisp lynx
yes. he was replaced between s2
sturdy granite
@solid spear Yeah, that bubble buf was uncalled for, and relly set up Dive, along with the Lucio changes
clever portal
Didn't Kongdoo just play that showmatch?
clever portal
So they must be cutting some people for more players
solid spear
Thing Ive said about D.Va is maybe make matrix meter 3 seconds depletion with 7.5 second charge instead of the current 4/10 and reducing crit box and maybe give 100 armor back
so you still get matrix at the same rate but the overall resource is lower but make the character feed less when its down
sturdy granite
Perhaps, I was mostly thinking of a sound when matrix gets depleted, and a longer time to charge, kinda like Reins shield. That way, it isn't constantly up, and it can be punished once it is down.
Well, more time before it recharges after full use
to be specific
solid spear
I dont think making it straight take longer is good...I dont think you can nerf matrix without other stuff happening unless you want the character to be bad
its already n 10 second recharge
youre better off keeping current rates and making the meter smaller so it has to be used more tactifully and even then you probably have to buff other stuff a bit
clever portal
I think a good solution would be simply having more things that ignore matrix
solid spear
and even then if Winston stays the way he is dive would still be dominant
pinning it all on D.Va is weird when you can still run triple dps as long as you have Winston
wintry matrix
more laser/melee heroes would be cool
dva for high-ranked/pros is kinda link sym/phamercy for low-ranked
sturdy granite
That's not what I'm suggesting, perhaps their could be some kind of compensation, but I was thinking that after it is completely depleted, there is a brief moment before it begins recharging. Her charge rate could be increased, but it would allow some counterplay, and would make players have to use it more carefully.
But yeah, I bet Doomboy will ignore DM
solid spear
thats kinda the problem she had before though if DM is down for extended periods of times shes an atrocious character, at least if it was 3/7.5 you couldnt like sit on a Soldier for most his ult consistently and stuff
I dont think shes straight overpowered as whole just DM is oppresive so probably need to buff other stuff a tad
sturdy granite
Well, before in the early game, once it was used, it was down for 10 seconds straight, no way to block anything at all. Right now, If it's completely used, it doesn't matter, because she can use it agian half a second later.
solid spear
lower meter makes it thats it up less overall you have 25% less matrix but doesnt put her in a situation where its down for extended periods of time
even with like
4 second cd or something
the characters probably just bad
sturdy granite
I was thinking like 2 tbh, nothing crazy long. MAybe 3, but that's the most I'd say.
The biggest problem, is unlike a Reign shield or Zarya bubble, there isn't much counterplay.
solid spear
Id rather she kept her current freedom to use when she pleased and just had less of it to use I think
they could nerf range a bit too yeah
blazing parrot
halve it
solid spear
thats pretty dramatic but yeah it could get a reduction of some sort
solid spear
whatever happens though if youre really nerfing DM youre going to have to buff other stuff or she WILL suck
blazing parrot
they already nerfed her to the point where shes only good for dva matrix and the random lucky bomb
sturdy granite
I forget, how did they buff DM after they nerfed her health, like, what were the numbers
blazing parrot
might as well completely nerf her right xD
solid spear
blazing parrot
winston is the biggest problem with dive
sturdy granite
Winston with the shield buff for sure
blazing parrot
watching streamers complain about the opness of dva without trying to demech her xd
awesomeness
let me just use tact visor into dva
solid spear
Reign keeps saying making bubble cd like 15 seconds or something
blazing parrot
and then complain about her for 3 minutes
solid spear
I kinda agree tbh
blazing parrot
why did blizz nerf her damage ?
clever wagon
Who are these streamers you're talking about
blazing parrot
every hitscan main
solid spear
yeah it doesnt help that stuff like Hog and Zarya are garbage rn
blazing parrot
literally watch sure4 round the cornor into dva and install ult
sturdy granite
That might be a bit much. I mean, Lucio is also a slight part of the problem, not huge, as he's always been viable, but his kit changes were anything but a nerf overall.
blazing parrot
smh
clever wagon
Meh, everytime I play S76 in plat I never ult until I see DVa demech'd or exhausted her DM
blazing parrot
exactly
even plats know this
is it too much to ask for a top 500 to secure a demech before utling???
clever wagon
Or that one time was pretty good
Holly last point offense, I flanked around after seeing my team's tanks baiting enemy DVa away from their backline so there's enough space for me to visor their backline without DVa being demech'd
sturdy granite
π
solid spear
I mean
blazing parrot
cause it literally just makes her worth to be the dva matrix
sturdy granite
I don't notice it much tbh
solid spear
Thats why ive been saying if you wanna mess with DM a bit and like give a smaller crit box and her old damage or some other small buffs to non DM stuff it can work
solid spear
Like Ive played D.Va since launchwhen she was trash I dont mind getting the character changed a bit but people wanna smack matrix like it wont make her garbo
Hog is lol Ill never understand that nerf but whatever
blazing parrot
oh man dva at launch was complete garbage
the only thing going for her was her ult
at that time
sturdy granite
The hog nerfs make him so dull to play.
Dva was actually my first main, lol.
Back when Q was a tactical suicide button.
blazing parrot
ah good times
clever wagon
Strangely enough I had a lot of fun playing DVa in a diving manner in May open beta
clever wagon
Hog nerfs lost all value to what was usually a clutch hook
blazing parrot
playing support sucks so much now :\
clever wagon
I seriously wouldn't put anything, anything past Blizzard
solid spear
Ana is annoying to play rn though tbh
blazing parrot
fun when you dont have triple dps and winston gangbanging you sure
solid spear
next patch gonna be a new Winston buff 
blazing parrot
everyone usually ignores lucio first and goes after the zen/ana/mercy first
sturdy granite
No, obviously you just have no skill, because new hog requires skill to play, and you only played him for OP no skill hook kills - every braindead argument I've seen so far.
blazing parrot
@clever wagon is your avatar from naruto
blazing parrot
wonder how theyre going to fuck over tracer next
solid spear
weebs reeeee
sturdy granite
Like, even if they buff his damage a little, I don't think I want to play him, his new gun just feels spammy and dissappointing to use.
solid spear
I actually dont think they wanna touch her
clever wagon
(Below that it's all NSFW but the face is too cute for me to pass)
blazing parrot
wow nice seija
i think theyre going to oreo
cause of all the people outcrying about op
clever wagon
Weebs amirite
solid spear
and yeah Id nerf bomb charge a bit but besides that Id leave her
shes good because this meta enables her so much
all squishy stuff
McCree is bad, Zarya is bad so she cant absorb bombs
solid spear
and Seija you trying to DM pics π
sturdy granite
Tracer is setting on the edge of a blade that used to be shared by Winston.
clever wagon
What lul
solid spear
I mean outside of bomb charge what would they even nerf
sturdy granite
I don't think anything, but I'm not going to be surprised if they go after something else.
After seeing those roadhog changes, nothing really seems to unrealistic.
solid spear
eh Hog stuff was really dumb but there a bigger anti Roadhog crowd that just wanted him gutted...a lot of people arent exactly disappointed with his current state
Tracer I feel theyre less likely to radically change they havent touched her up til now only character you can say that for
sturdy granite
True, for a long time, both Winston and Reaper were up there as well
solid spear
not Winston
Winston has been changed many times dating back to beta
youre probably thinking Rein
clever wagon
If Hog ever came back I'm gonna use him so much even in QP
sturdy granite
Probably, but hasn't Winston, until recent times, been pretty stable since launch
clever wagon
(I usually practice DPS/Hanju mechanics in Qp)
solid spear
I know Hog is your bb 
well since launch yeah
wasnt really changed since launch I dont think before he started getting buffs
but in beta he got changed around a bit
solid spear
rn 12
clever wagon
12 really?
clever wagon
But CD starts right after it's put down
solid spear
its like 8 seconds anyway
clever wagon
Ye
copper bane
its 13s
clever wagon
Old Hog took what, 3 x old M2 shots solo to break it?
clever wagon
Fucking RIP
solid spear
granted theyre faster but still
idk Hog feels like shit to play now anyway not fun at all
clever wagon
Iunno, to me the current Hog is even more of a dps than an actual offtank solely because of the fire rate, but all those shitters want is for his dmg to be nerfed so they won't speak up about it
sturdy granite
Should've just nerfed M2, never really felt fair getting one shots with it on either side of the equation.
clever wagon
If they're doing his dmg per pellet, it probably would be inconsistent
solid spear
juicy right clicks were so good though 
clever wagon
I loved slamming squishies in the face with a beefy M2
And if it happened to me as a DPS it's my fault for staying in his range
Not the Hog's
solid spear
I mean it was ass when it happened to you but like gotta give it to the Hogs who were getting work done without hook
clever wagon
Why did Jake throw again that one time
balmy wolf
tilting
wintry matrix
how was that? didn't catch it
solid spear
played frogger on Oasis was pretty funny actually
reddit didnt complain so hes safe though
wintry matrix
was worse than dafran spawn ult?
solid spear
hmmm well game was lost anyway tbh
but he literally went on the road of Oasis dodging cars
sturdy granite
π Blessedπ
solid spear
Dad
pine wren
does ow lack the suspense to be interesting to watch? I had this argument with a friend and would like some more opinions
feral solar
my friends say most of the matches feel quite similar to them and they find watching the same thing boring
balmy wolf
I think its really the meta thats making the game tsale
If we get more comps being viable at the same time then it will be interesting
feral solar
atleast with my friends they never liked watching overwatch really
feral solar
yehh i guess
they love playing the game but dont watch at all
and opposite with csgo
balmy wolf
it is kind of weird talking about suspense because suspense in OW is different from suspense in CSGO
Overwatch esports is about like, the storylines of the teams, the hype, the clutch plays etc etc
suspense in CSGO is usually about the clutch situation
where 1 v 3 for example
or a 1 v 2 with a ticking bomb
those kind of thing
suspense in OW is all about big plays and ult combo
and its relation to the map
balmy wolf
he clearly didn't watch it when it was ult every team fight
before the global ult charge nerf
feral solar
oh no they did thats why they didnt feel like watching but even now they find it too repetitive
balmy wolf
lolz
suspense in OW is a vastly different beast than CSGO
so people complains about OW "lacking suspense" is kind of dumb
like fuck, do you watch basketball for suspense?
feral solar
idk i havent really gone into long discussions about this topic much
they can watch what they like
wintry matrix
i'm watching envyus x rogue atl showdown, and, wow
it's such a clusterfuck
i'd like to think that during that time no one, playes and casters, really knew what to do and were just scrambling
balmy wolf
it was the stone age
literally
no it wasnt lmao
beta was the stone age
beta was the dinosaur age
k
clever portal
So I was thinking of the whole "game is dying"
But isn't this completely normal?
For big releases there is massive interest for a year+
Then most people will move on to a new game
So it shouldn't be surprising if active players fall
Or people playing in PC bangs fall
solid spear
Well I mean when you look at the biggest competitive games theyre the ones that have legs for far longer than that
solid spear
Games not dying anyway just think theres a bit of frustration rn cuz of balance, pro scene, owl etc
clever portal
Overwatch started with 30 million copies sold
solid spear
So people will overreact a bit
clever portal
A lot of people will realise the game is simply not fun for them after a year
So imo it will drop users hard
Have a dedicated base
Then start growing a dedicated base
solid spear
Thing is this games fanbase overall is pretty casual
I actually dont think the game as a whole is going to be anywhere close to dying anytime soon
solid spear
I mean I'm sure some will leave but the base is still massive
clever portal
I think it will be a pokemon go type drop
On Reddit you see loads of people saying they only play for events
Or that 7 games a week is a chore
Surely these people will leave eventually if that is all the game is to them
copper bane
the thing about pokemon go is that it was literally only popular for one month
overwatch has been popular for a year
solid spear
Pokemon Go is also trash and free I wouldnt compare em
toxic yacht
also, add 3 stages
for how much is remaining
normal, yellow, and red
or something
would be a really nice change
solid spear
Colors might be weird but some sort of small visual indicator like with Rein shield, Winston bubble would be nice even just the change above is better than the bascially transparent version we have now
clever portal
Probably flickering when it goes low
copper bane
different colours clashes too much with the differentiation of ally vs enemy abilities
flickering would be better
clever portal
Sombra very weird to spectate
Because the health pack colors always red
Only blue when you're spectating the team that has it
solid spear
Yeah if it like flickered if it was under 1/3 left or something that'd be good
I kinda agree with colors just being messy
clever portal
You want to know the weird thing
When you see a red soldier shooting through red shield
What colors could be good in overwatch
Yellow/orange/purple?
clever portal
OPC showed Sunsister in the intro 
clever wagon
Flickering when it's running out actually sounds pretty cool
But it needs to be as clear as the design suggestion above
Colors would likely mess with the red and blue/cyan that's already there
Also, pls decrease the opacity & size of objective markers, sometimes they actually get in the way of crosshairs
clever wagon
Yeah ikr
toxic yacht
literally cannot shoot people because they are covered
clever wagon
KotHs especially
wary falcon
- What are you mainly using your Skrill account for?
- What is your relationship with the recipients of the payments you make with Skrill?
- What do you mainly receive money for?
What am i supposed to answer?
I can't tell truth so which answers are legit to Skrill?
clever portal
What is skrill
clever wagon
What the fuck
pine star
Damn
clever wagon
What are these words that have been said anyway
pine star
Reading the LH AMA has me all worried rn
clever wagon
Which AMA
pine star
Lunatic Hai Coach A.M.A
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6lkdxc/lunatic_hai_coach_ama/
Blizzard can still fuck it all up 
clever wagon
Is he the older one?
pine star
What do you mean?
clever wagon
Everytime the game went into pause there are 2 guys going into LH's booth
clever wagon
hah
clever wagon
Fucking told you
Don't ever put anything past Blizzard these days
Especially these days
pine star
Our first glimpse at what OWL may look like comes in a week with WC
It better be absolutely fucking astonishing
pine star
I actually called it when the tank meta ended
Doesn't matter how awesome the dive meta seems, it will suck if it's the only option
clever wagon
Pros can be wrong but in the end they're the ones who decide whether the game has potential or not anyway
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
Because they're the ones whose livelihood depend on it
If they're turning their backs, then I don't know how you can deny followers/consumers will follow suit
clever portal
@clever wagon is that second pic from the ama or a random reddit comment
I don't remember reading that
clever wagon
Alwaysoov's
pine star
That's from the AMA
clever wagon
Apparently people notice Korean pros don't stream OW as much either?
supple nymph
that post was the most insightful thing ive read yet about what's happening
and it's a KR translation
lol
pine star
This guy is my spirit animal
balmy wolf
the part about observing system really hits me
pine star
The silver lining is that I can see the new highlights system becoming some kind of replay feature down the line
clever wagon
Isn't the closest one just something along the lines of exporting highlights?
Like those short ones
pine star
@balmy wolf I was hoping some cool spectator stuff for WC, I'm no longer holding my breath
supple nymph
LUL
completely redundant highlight system
that is never going to be better than what people are doing now
gotta have it for silvers and bronze with bad computers
pine star
^
clever wagon
Fucking BANDICAM works better LUL
pine star
But at least there's a baseline system in place
clever wagon
Play so OP that you can press the game time down to 10 minutes and even free Bandicam works better than some fucking exported highlight
supple nymph
i dunno if it will be baseline for replays because it looks like they are getting recorded serverside; so if you want to record whole matches are they going to be able to scale it up?
they will need to do whole matches client side wont they
because of the size
pine star
The system is there, so maybe down the line they can make it more global, like store all povs in a file or something
clever wagon
What size
The way I understand it, Valve's demo system works by merely recording actions and movements
pine star
I'm not really holding my breath on a free cam save, that would be bonkers
That would do too
clever wagon
That's why demos are compact and easily thrown around
pine star
But still, isn't the highlights system like that?
clever portal
Yeah, it just records locations and what you're doing
It's not saving some video file in replay
clever wagon
I brought it up because Ford is talking about size :/
supple nymph
yes, but the size might be non-trivial who knows
pine star
The highlight system is not a video file
supple nymph
yea I know
pine star
It allows exporting as video file, but server side is pretty much a recording of movements and positions and actions
clever wagon
Probably just a tad bigger because of different hero kits -> much more actions
pine star
So the system is kinda there
clever portal
People won't take it seriously if Timo/western players say it
But when our KR overlords say it
It's taken seriously
clever wagon
Apparently some people still don't hold much value on people like Yongbongtang and Alwaysoov
toxic yacht
This channel circlejerking sometimes... You know that completely different people work on different things, right?
Skins, highlights etc are different from the people who do esports related shit
supple nymph
but the people above them who manage resource allocation; we can blame them right?
toxic yacht
Also, highlight system is actually better than shadowplay, lul
pine star
The development team still works on the features
And Kaplan still leads them
Also Shadowplay is shit, I'm just a lazy scrub
clever portal
Shadowplay is good if you have good pc
But if you play 720p 40 fps
The highlights won't look good
clever wagon
But without any recording software you won't get any highlight out at the moment anyway
toxic yacht
No, you can't blame them
supple nymph
the highlight system records a fixed clip of so many seconds so you cant edit it later
so chances are it will be shitty
pine star
You do realize the skins also imply code and software development...
clever wagon
So highlight system being better than any recording software is moot
At the moment, that is
toxic yacht
Also, I play on the lowest settings, so my recordings look like shit. The system would fix that issue
Dude, I code
It's not hard to add skins like that
clever portal
@toxic yacht stop being reasonable, Blizzard work on skins all day every day FeelsRageMan
clever wagon
It just involves relatively simple database play, probably, not including skin modeling itself
And adding to the client assets/data
pine star
It's certainly not as hard as developing a spectator feature, but it's naive to think that a bunch of artists can just throw skins at the client with no software engineering behind
clever portal
Maps definately take development resources though
And it's something we don't really need
Unless they plan to ban maps like Anubis out of pro map pool
toxic yacht
The amount of software engineering required for that 100% isn't complicated enough to magically make esports features amazing if they stopped doing that
clever wagon
lmao
toxic yacht
where?
clever portal
It's high school LAN EleGiggle
clever portal
Yh EU has had taketv and random small lans
NA has had... USA vs Canada arcade game LAN
π
clever portal
Because it's blizzard
They will have true LAN, full replays/stats
Meanwhile in the world cup no stats/replay
People will dc mid game
pine star
Based Blizzard 
balmy wolf
Asus ROG is actually not that bad
considering it is 8 team
and has RIP in it
thinking that Jeheong will frag out vs former 1.6 pros
man
thick cosmos
balmy wolf
"There is currently a very hot discussion on Inven where a discord user claimed that he saw a LH gaming house manager's discord chat with another org that's currently sponsoring an LCK team in LOL. Maybe the announcement is related to this."
https://www.twitch.tv/fullcircle Libalent vs Detonator KR now
clever portal
Ardeont destroyed detonator
balmy wolf
Ardeont has ex AOD on it
clever portal
These two teams don't even look close to their level
balmy wolf
everyone that was on AOD is making banks
clever portal
I just found the game boring
They might be better than Blank
We'll find out in s2
balmy wolf
Mighty AOD looking back was underrated
probably a team in the same level as X6
but good luck going up against 3 behemoths in their group
but they did squeaked out a win vs 
limber pine
Taiwan might be a good opportunity
balmy wolf
think of it as injecting a bit of APEX into OPC
it will make teams improve as a whole in the region
clever portal
FaZe 
limber pine
you poor thing
clever portal
Leaving overwatch 
solid spear
Not PALADINS 
supple nymph
toxic yacht
LET'S GO BOIS
rapid oxide
wuuuuuuuut
supple nymph
frank frigate
Well now that Doomfist is out, if you want to read about the final week of Dive comps (/s) I just posted this week's meta report:
Reddit discussion:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/6ln46v/overwatch_hero_meta_report_contenders_review/
supple nymph
DOOMFIST
wintry matrix
i know we're supposed all to be negative nancys, BUT I'M HYPE AS SHIT BOIS
rapid oxide
this hero
is waaaaay mooooore polished compared to orisa
i think the rumor of "doomfist were pushed away to make orisa"
but another attack hero........
like if we didnt have enough attack hero
dat anime video lore tho
clever portal
Patch notes: Rein has been deleted from game
balmy wolf
btw
this kind of aligned to the leaks
so whoever said that the new hero is anti dive
wintry matrix
tragicomic
solid spear
are the notes like was their a balance patch besides DF
wintry matrix
but honestly, i could see doomfist shaking the meta, tho it would still be dive probably
toxic yacht
pine star
He looks like a really high ceiling hero
wary falcon
so how good is Doomfist?
pine star
On the surface at least
wary falcon
will he shift meta from dive?
balmy wolf
nah
solid spear
No
balmy wolf
he might just add to the dive meta tbh
pine star
He's literally a diver lol
wintry matrix
but i think it could help being less stale
balmy wolf
honestly, whoever the fuck in here that was "oh there's no way that Doomfist is going to be a diver" need to take his gun and ate iy
wintry matrix
btw, Rein's still bugged right?
balmy wolf
yeah
wintry matrix
no chill
pine star
Twitter
pine star
Top kek
wary falcon
Not Like This
balmy wolf
he is pretty good anti diver from first glance
his melee is knockback-able, and bypass shield/DM
so you can wind one up and knock D.va/Winston out of place
solid spear
I mean hard to say exactly how good he will be rn
spring lintel
Seagull says he is insane
solid spear
but doesnt hurt dive at all
spring lintel
Love how high the skill cap with him
wintry matrix
from first glance i'm having high hopes to him fixing a bit the staleness of meta
tho it prob still suck to play as support
imagine him, winston, tracer and genji
toxic yacht
maybe doomfist will be better at protecting them by slamming divers around the map?
dunno
wary falcon
time to add diver
toxic yacht
launching ptr rn
balmy wolf
but his mobility to add to dive is also an interesting wrinkle
since his mobility is nearly Genji tier
wintry matrix
inb4 westerns teams refuse to play him saying he's shit like sombra
spring lintel
Sombra's style is slow af
balmy wolf
or rather, some Western team experimented with him, throw it away, then KR team refined him, and Western team come back to steal him
like Sombra
wary falcon
old hack's time was too high
spring lintel
She is out of the fight in most times
wintry matrix
i'd say she was a bit underpowered, but still pretty good, even if they just attempted as a emp bot
spring lintel
The first hero to seem so fun to play
wintry matrix
rip coL
toxic yacht
people just like to ignore it and act like the stupid, unwashed west didn't want to play her
until glorious korea picked her up
lul
wintry matrix
i mean, that's kinda true, aside from coL barely anyone used
toxic yacht
and aside from KDP and and meta athena, no korean team barely used her
sombra use in EU and KR was always pretty similar
wintry matrix
it's still way more, i'm just saying that in general terms, KR is more prone to experiment a bit
balmy wolf
only after they saw NA teams does it
LG Evil was the first to use Sombra in Anubis, btw
and of course KR teams lifted it wholesale
wintry matrix
was it?
toxic yacht
doomfist's ult charges extremely fast
yes, LGE also used her on gibralter
was the first time I saw sombra in gib
yee
wintry matrix
i forgot that jeph said that
toxic yacht
also, for some reason people started acting like korean's invented triple tank
I'm not even kidding
all this history revision to make koreans look glorious is 
balmy wolf
Doomfist mobility is basically in the middle of Tracer/Genji. He can blink around like Tracer, and some form of vertical mobility like Genji.
oh and Doomfist can gain up to 150 shield
a tank buster with a tank like health
this is not broken at all
wintry matrix
yeah, that shield seems to much
clever portal
The ult lul
wintry matrix
on top of 250 health
clever portal
You can use it to dodge things
I want to know how it works with contesting
For example if you did it on a capture point
wintry matrix
i think it's just the normal altitude cap for contesting
solid spear
does bomb charge feel slower or am I insane Im insane
clever portal
Tracer bomb?
Patch notes has 0 changes
So you can contest while ulting?
I'm assuming ult is 6 seconds?
toxic yacht
I remember when the ult charges were first nerfed
played genji on ptr to see if they maybe added triple jump back (π)
instantly noticed that it took me longer to get blade in practice range
became salty af and went on a tantrum because I thought that it was a genji-specific nerf again
lul
pine star
Holy shit this guy's mobility
pine star
You can reach crazy high with some combos
And also has tons of horizontal mobility with is right click and E
wintry matrix
yeah, his dmg output seems to high
pine star
Shit's broken
alarms ringing
panic everywhere
Lmfao you can't run away from this guy
Low hp and trying to disengage?
Nope
wintry matrix
tbh that's the history with mobility heroes
pine star
Exactly