esports-discussion

[clever wagon]

We kinda forgot the possibility that she decayed

Because MMR stays the same if that's the case, you can be matched with GM+ if that was your SR pre-decay afaik @gusty notch

So... if that turned out to be true

/shrug

What's the name btw, cant open clips on Android

[balmy wolf]

Granddeity

[clever wagon]

Tfw quick result preview on Google for "overbuff" had "Mercy" dropdown content in it

... There's apparently a GrandDeity#1588 that's sitting on 3447 SR according to Master Overwatch but there's no recent matches data that can confirm they played Mercy around that time

Wait holy shit turns out my S76 is sitting at a decent 15-9 record for competitive

[balmy wolf]

gj

[clever wagon]

Personal top hero for this season

I'm pretty much a S76 one trick bitch this season lmao https://www.overbuff.com/players/pc/OnlyBotch16-1880?mode=competitive

(At least it's not Mercy TehePelo )

[solid spear]

Roadhog

[toxic yacht]

Pretty sure that Mykl is also a previous cheater

Well, the fact that Mykl is a toxic ape would also make me reluctant about signing then

Toxic rabid ape

[wary falcon]

wait, can top500 even queue with diamonds?

of course you can

you can queue even with plat players

try to play in non-prime hours

[clever wagon]

... what?

They meant "grouping up" I think

In which you can't

But you can "be matched" with different SR tiers given off hours and shit matchmaking

[clever wagon]

And well, hidden MMR

[clever portal]

Apex in 2 hours

[solid spear]

soon

[feral solar]

soon LUL

[pseudo sail]

Couldn't find time to do a write-up for today's APEX match-up, but I did several tweets about, if anyone cares. ^^ https://twitter.com/RadoNonfire/status/882146656384425984

RadoN (@RadoNonfire)

I'd say nV have a stylistic advantage for today's match-up vs. KD Panthera. Doubt we'll see any Pharah/Widow or much Genji today from KD.

Twitter

the rest are follow ups to this one

[clever wagon]

Really tho @pseudo sail

Rascal can Pharah while Birdring can genji

Why is it that unlikely for them to play those

Well though Rascal also has his sombra, so maybe that also contributes as to why

[toxic yacht]

I predict an nV 4-2

I predict an nV 4-2

[clever wagon]

If NV pulls thru tho, good for them. Means they has what it takes to go that far, about time

Fuck chu say @toxic yacht cmonBruh

Oh

OH

[solid spear]

Idc whoever wins better beat LH

[clever wagon]

https://twitter.com/Cloud9/status/881978988662366208

Cloud9 (@Cloud9)

.@B1shopOW playing on the @htcesports Vive at #AnimeExpo2017 while @c9xepheR waits for his turn.

Twitter

[pseudo sail]

Because nV could shut down both easily. ^^

[solid spear]

Weeb

[clever wagon]

Apparently C9 is enjoying their time weebing out

[solid spear]

I can't support them

[balmy wolf]

I only support Phil and Bill

[clever wagon]

Name a more iconic duo

[balmy wolf]

I'll wait

[clever wagon]

Yeah me too

[solid spear]

Nice

[feral solar]

[clever wagon]

Orgs should sign Phil and Bill on the basis of being the best caller duo

Best business investment

With Phil and Bill everything is WINNABUL

@pseudo sail I sure hope they will pop off

[balmy wolf]

It's i n e v i t a b l e

[clever wagon]

But fuck I'm still outside I can't watch the match

🔫

[solid spear]

I gotta stay awake

[clever wagon]

Drink lots of coffee

[solid spear]

I hate coffee

[balmy wolf]

pus

[clever wagon]

A friend of mine recklessly drank so much that he got headaches from caffeine overdose

Couldn't sleep for like what, 2 days straight? At least

[solid spear]

shit sounds like me without caffeine .-.

[toxic yacht]

envy 4-2

calling it now

fite me

[solid spear]

KDP 7-1

[toxic yacht]

ur mom 7-1

[lost orbit]

gottem

[toxic yacht]

wtf are you doing here

👀

[lost orbit]

👁 👁

i see you

[solid spear]

._.

[clever portal]

[wary falcon]

I don't believe in nV

KDP trashed LH

even LH

KongDoo Panthera
1.460
EnvyUs
2.750

[solid spear]

All Im saying is if NV loses KDP better finish this shit up in grands

[feral solar]

ez4nV

[rapid oxide]

I hope envy lose so Taimou will rest so he will stop cry like a fucking baby and stfu for a while

[clever portal]

No

Timo will win

[toxic yacht]

He's taking a rest either way

Either 1 more match or 2 more matches

[feral solar]

when you have 3 twitch streams to watch at the same time :/

[glad chasm]

@wary falcon yeah KDP is gonna wreck nv imo

[clever portal]

BlessRNG I used to not care BlessRNG But now I'm Envyus BlessRNG

3 minutes

[feral solar]

H Y P E

🙏 effect carry pls

[clever portal]

That intro

[solid spear]

Well 2 more matches either way cuz of the 3rd place match

So doesnt make a difference

[feral solar]

LUL

[nova wadi]

LOL

im liking this already

[glad chasm]

This is gonna be a massacre

[vestal mortar]

I am not ready for this

[glad chasm]

Nv aren't ready either

[vestal mortar]

I think Chips and Effect had the loudest screams 🤔

[feral solar]

psh they got this

[toxic yacht]

Not at home rn, what am I missing?

[solid spear]

4-0

[feral solar]

hasnt started yet

[vestal mortar]

Fan girls

[toxic yacht]

Ah

[nova wadi]

i wanna see envy vs LH tho

[feral solar]

just trash talk

[glad chasm]

@nova wadi too bad we getting LH vs kdp 3

[feral solar]

oasis ResidentSleeper

[nova wadi]

@glad chasm yeah probs

[vestal mortar]

Oasis! 😍

[solid spear]

Oasis

[feral solar]

its so boring to watch

[vestal mortar]

I don't find it boring

[clever portal]

Oasis

[nova wadi]

i hate oasis as a map and to watch

[glad chasm]

Oasis is a good map seriously tho

[vestal mortar]

Oasis and Nepal are my faves 😢

[feral solar]

not saying its bad to play on

[solid spear]

Mah Lijuang

[feral solar]

just spectating is not as good as other maps

idk why

[glad chasm]

Lijiang> all

[vestal mortar]

I love to play and to watch

[nova wadi]

kings row ❤

[feral solar]

i dont mind it when i play

[glad chasm]

@feral solar cause casters spend way too much time watching pharah

[feral solar]

i guess

[vestal mortar]

Break time over I'll be watching as I work. 👋

[feral solar]

hf!

o shit

[glad chasm]

If they spent more time on tracer or Winston or even lucio game would seem much faster and action packed

This is such a raping

[solid spear]

Pharmercy

[nova wadi]

C9

[glad chasm]

Lmao

[feral solar]

LOLOL

[solid spear]

C9

[feral solar]

HAHAHHA

[clever portal]

C9

[feral solar]

[forest raven]

Oh hey, a real one

[glad chasm]

That was even more one sided than I thought this might be. Not a good look for me as a viewer wanting to see a good game

[solid spear]

Sombra is balanced lul

[glad chasm]

Feels like sombra almost never works at this level on this point

[toxic yacht]

yyyyyeers

naisu nv

how close was the first map?

[solid spear]

They got rolled

[toxic yacht]

gardens

rascal pharah

[clever portal]

It was Pharah map

[toxic yacht]

not really surprsied

[feral solar]

next is pharah too

so lets hope its better

[toxic yacht]

I think timo may pick widow

[clever portal]

This one is possible without Pharah

[toxic yacht]

hs is

I was right

[nova wadi]

i feel like i can get pharah easier on the other map

gardens is meh

[clever portal]

The other one if you win first cap with Pharah you have a 90% win chance

[lost orbit]

where is my pharmercy

cant see

just boring shit dva winston

[clever wagon]

I unknowingly have been using Japanese made headphones it turns out

What a weeb

[lost orbit]

fascinating

[toxic yacht]

envyus

this is so fucking tense

[clever wagon]

Fuck you all I cant watch

Fuck

[final river]

im late, checking the video to see the trash talk

[solid spear]

[clever portal]

Gg

[clever wagon]

HOW ARE THEY DOING

[nova wadi]

switches to sombra at 95%

[clever portal]

They needed to win that fight

KDP

[toxic yacht]

fuck that was close

[nova wadi]

yeah that triple from bird

[clever wagon]

SOMEONE DO A TEXT PLAY BY PLAY HERE

[glad chasm]

Damn dude rascal and birdring just carrying that

[clever portal]

NV if they won that fight they would have won

[toxic yacht]

they gotta be picking king's row now

me thinks

[final river]

Taimou has gained a ton of weight

[glad chasm]

Doesn't nv also like hollywood?

[solid spear]

Roadhog and McCree

[toxic yacht]

or numbani

[clever wagon]

Bruh wats the point now at

[glad chasm]

The fuck

[toxic yacht]

they did relatively well on numbani

they've been picking if for a while now

[lost orbit]

sojum whats the strategy behind picking maps

in pro play

are players just better at certain maps

[toxic yacht]

yee

some teams are better/worse on specific maps

[lost orbit]

or are there balance concerns that make it better to pick certain maps sooner/later

[glad chasm]

Nv usually seems solid on Hollywood with taimou on sombra there

[toxic yacht]

so you try to pick maps where you have the advantage

back in the days of map banning it was much more complex

now that that's not a thing anymore, they just pick whatever map gives them the most advantages

[clever portal]

They probably prepared for Hollywood

[wary falcon]

good thing that i skipped this match

[toxic yacht]

rotation

okay

nV fuckin

[wary falcon]

can't believe nV just walked away from the point

[lost orbit]

can western teams play on english client in the tourney?

[toxic yacht]

BEAUTIFUL TRACKING

we don't know, actually

[lost orbit]

or is it forced korean

[toxic yacht]

but it's probably english

[lost orbit]

because like, sound callouts

voices

pretty fucking big deal

[toxic yacht]

dis stagger

[red anvil]

Bully the d.va meta

[wary falcon]

this meta is perphaps worst to watch

since s1

[clever portal]

Korean teams so strong on defense

You don't see such tactical stalls in NA

[toxic yacht]

birdring's pulsebombs...

is this esca playing on his computer?

[wary falcon]

he got sweet 2k with pulse bomb

harryhook and taimou at the same time

[clever portal]

Going to be overtime cap at best

[wary falcon]

nV need to full hold

[nova wadi]

i liked 3 tank meta more than this lul

[clever portal]

Yeah, full hold or defeat if they don't full push

[red anvil]

LOL

awh

they noticed

[toxic yacht]

backcap

[clever portal]

You should be able to finish Numbani with 2mins+

[toxic yacht]

lmao

[wary falcon]

hoping for 4 supports from KDP

[pine star]

EnVy losing

[clever portal]

KDP looking good

[toxic yacht]

i keep understanind fischer instead of fissure

and I'm like "wot"

[pine star]

The western dream is dead

[wary falcon]

I hoped for a new tactics from nV

[clever portal]

They first point cap was really good

[feral solar]

kdp should expect this

[nova wadi]

rofl

[clever portal]

Cocco needs to stop that camp

Every time

[wary falcon]

gege

[toxic yacht]

cocco's winston feeds so much

tfw your best monkey is your dva

[red anvil]

Birdring is being solid af.

10/10 visor

[nova wadi]

what was that soldier ult lmao

[wary falcon]

he is underperforming

if compare to some his previous matches

[toxic yacht]

wtf

he stuck taht

[feral solar]

yeah weird

[toxic yacht]

if envy loses this because of a bug...

[wary falcon]

oh god

3 minutes

nv pls

[toxic yacht]

kdp keeps forgetting their supports

they're too aggro

[wary falcon]

they are famous for this

[red anvil]

oi nice stick

[nova wadi]

welp

[toxic yacht]

damn

[nova wadi]

watch it be a 4-0

[red anvil]

not impossible at all

but i think 4-1

[toxic yacht]

that fucking stick...

the bomb stuck on rascal

[wary falcon]

time to read pre-match predicts by reddit experts

[toxic yacht]

[wary falcon]

[toxic yacht]

I just hope taht it was a spectator bug

close it out with a 3-0

[lost orbit]

why are they wearing sailor shirts

[toxic yacht]

match point

[copper bane]

lol

[toxic yacht]

it's bo7

[clever portal]

It was stuck

[copper bane]

bronze casters 🤦

[clever portal]

But somehow went on the floor

[red anvil]

the casters are amazing, fail upon fail

[toxic yacht]

Kongdoo always has weird ass clothes

this season they're wearing sailor uniforms

[lost orbit]

[toxic yacht]

feels like they should focus void more

effect keeps trying to pulse bomb luffy

dunno if it'd make more sense to use it on void

[lost orbit]

yea if they focus void he cant chronosphere in time

wait

[vestal mortar]

"Weird ass clothes"
I'd like to see how you dress at LAN Sojum 🤔

[toxic yacht]

hek

[clever wagon]

Definitely not looking jacked af

[red anvil]

wait you gota dress for LANs?

[toxic yacht]

also, how the fuck did chips die with ult?

he had a trans

[lost orbit]

win a LAN cosplay contest before u talk sojum

[toxic yacht]

when he got tac visor'd

[copper bane]

choked

[toxic yacht]

I'll dress as Raxxin

[lost orbit]

@viral ledge

[vestal mortar]

I'm gonna dress nice for WC Poland

[toxic yacht]

👀

[clever wagon]

Jebaited

[toxic yacht]

Jebaited

FailFish

[nova wadi]

poland hah

[lost orbit]

i'll make a mercy cosplay one day

[toxic yacht]

gotta dress up for jehong

[clever portal]

@toxic yacht the plan was they come back with ult advantage and win

[vestal mortar]

😏

[clever portal]

The problem is overtime things never go as planned

[clever wagon]

Tara gonna try and get a backstage access to Jehong

[toxic yacht]

yeah, but the payload was a few meters before the end and they were getting fucked by a tac visor

also, overtime spawns

because some tard at blizzard thought that rewarding the team for failing to push the payload in time was good design

[clever portal]

Mickie needs to chuck ult into air, not on payload where there's so much cover

[vestal mortar]

Everyone knows me so well

[clever wagon]

SeemsGood dont worry guys i got this SeemsGood

[nova wadi]

i wanna see united kingdom WC

Kruise and boombox

[clever wagon]

Yee daddy zen Boombox

[nova wadi]

boombox makes me wanna play zen

[clever wagon]

Zen is the only support I play in ranked

If I had to fill

[red anvil]

Increased spawntime for defending team is just silly

[nova wadi]

i play lucio and ana

[red anvil]

Glass Cannon Zen

fun to play but so squishyyyy

[toxic yacht]

taimou still smiling

[red anvil]

ofc, he is finally going home from apex

[lost orbit]

taimou

more like goldycheeks

[toxic yacht]

more like

[lost orbit]

applecheeks

[toxic yacht]

Mr. Good AIm

one of his smurfs is called like taht

btw

[nova wadi]

aw

[lost orbit]

like wat

[toxic yacht]

MrGoodAim

[lost orbit]

lol

ego

[toxic yacht]

it's actually a meme

[lost orbit]

o

[nova wadi]

tobleron

[red anvil]

rascal on tracer actually

[toxic yacht]

his tracer is also super good

birdring is just the better widow

[lost orbit]

kongdoo lineup is so interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

varied meta

[toxic yacht]

lul

lol, mickie trolling us

[nova wadi]

fissure isnt playin handsoup sadly

[toxic yacht]

I wanna see the fabled mickie widow

according to thighmou he is the team's best widow

[nova wadi]

but whos gonna play d.va then

[red anvil]

the ult wastes

[toxic yacht]

he's swapping

[clever portal]

Misplay

[vestal mortar]

I thought taimou was staying in KR until World Cup because he doesn't want to go home for two days and then fly to Australia

[toxic yacht]

taimou 76

probably

[red anvil]

i was talking about fissures though

[toxic yacht]

ah

effect pls

[final river]

effect gonna hold b

what was that ult

jesus nm, rip

[red anvil]

savage

[toxic yacht]

is this selfless?

[nova wadi]

damn

[feral solar]

welp

[copper bane]

envy are getting destroyed now

[toxic yacht]

spawncamping on hanamura

[nova wadi]

4-0 calling it

[toxic yacht]

damn

[copper bane]

this is over 4-0

[vestal mortar]

Oh noey

[toxic yacht]

that's super nice

[forest raven]

lol

[red anvil]

not even micke is smiling after that one

[forest raven]

I predicted 4-1

[final river]

Taimou is thinking I can finally take my break now

[forest raven]

But that was too fucking kind

[clever portal]

Mickie and Cocco need to stop feeding

[toxic yacht]

taimou throwing so that he can take a break

[clever portal]

If you get picked atleast take someone with you

KDP taking advantage of weak tank play

[toxic yacht]

LMAO

taimou best bait

[feral solar]

HOW

hahaha

[toxic yacht]

they literally nano'd the monkey

[red anvil]

lol that pulse

[toxic yacht]

and he instantly jumped taimou

[nova wadi]

lmaoo

[feral solar]

oh god

[lost orbit]

how do they do the little backwards zoom out

[toxic yacht]

rascal feeding

[feral solar]

i dont wanna watch a 4th map now

[lost orbit]

during those static cam moments

[toxic yacht]

they move backwards and slow it down massively

I think

[red anvil]

already on KDPs time

[toxic yacht]

trans was a waste

tbh

[supple nymph]

that pulse

[nova wadi]

nice ult

[red anvil]

lol effect

[toxic yacht]

[copper bane]

so many wasted taimou ults this series lol

[toxic yacht]

fukin hek

[supple nymph]

LOL

[nova wadi]

LUL

[glad chasm]

This series showing that even the best tracers can get kind of dicked on if the rest of the team is inferior

[copper bane]

?? lol

[red anvil]

lol micke and his feeding

wai

[lost orbit]

those teams

[nova wadi]

i was expecting something more spectaculair

[red anvil]

lol again

[toxic yacht]

effect's pulse bombs

🤔

[nova wadi]

welp

[toxic yacht]

lol

[feral solar]

why are people expecting kills from visor? its so difficult when the dva is alive

[toxic yacht]

rip

[nova wadi]

goodbye nv

[red anvil]

rip push

[final river]

rip everything

[toxic yacht]

effect pls

🤦

[supple nymph]

completely crushed

utterly

[feral solar]

R E V E R S E S W E E P

[clever portal]

[copper bane]

hahahaha envy

[nova wadi]

Jelly that would be amazing

[copper bane]

imagine if reverse sweep happened

[feral solar]

not gonna happen sadly

[toxic yacht]

payload now?

[feral solar]

they are getting crushed

yeahh

[wary falcon]

finally Taimou can drop this shitty game

and play something more skill-based (Paladins)

[nova wadi]

lmao

[toxic yacht]

dorado now?

[clever portal]

Inb4 Taimou cs

[nova wadi]

i wanna see kingsrow

[toxic yacht]

if it's hybrid it's likey king's row

[lost orbit]

"tactical pause"

👀

[toxic yacht]

but payload iirc

[wary falcon]

it will be hard for Taimou to become good cs player

not only aim required

[clever portal]

Dorado/Gibrarltar

[wary falcon]

i can see him playing Lawbreakers IF game will gain popularity

[feral solar]

lol he wont be able to handle cs

i played lawbreakers

but it was meh

idk

[nova wadi]

wait did i miss something? is taimou leaving?

[clever portal]

But no DVa in cs

[toxic yacht]

no, he's taking a break

[copper bane]

taimou getting sick of overwatch

[toxic yacht]

after this

burnt out

[nova wadi]

ah

[wary falcon]

Lawbreakers seems fine for me, hate cod vibes but game is quite cool

[feral solar]

full time streamer ez

[wary falcon]

Especially after playing against d.va matrix 24/7

[clever portal]

Taimou doesn't enjoy game

Streaming worse than pro

Ranked is thrash

[nova wadi]

this meta is trash tbh

[clever portal]

Atleast in pro you can run off competitiveness

[wary falcon]

it is

[toxic yacht]

r66?

guys

[nova wadi]

thats uh

[toxic yacht]

whoa

[clever portal]

Gg

[toxic yacht]

uhhh

wtf

does taimou really want to stop playing ow that badly?

[feral solar]

this has to be rigged

[wary falcon]

LH Coach predicted nV to win

yes, he wants

OW is casual and balanced around casual players

[toxic yacht]

I was mostly memeing

with the r66 pick

I know how much he hates ow rn

mickie zarya

chips sombra

aand he's dva again

why do I even believe it when mickie picks something else?

[feral solar]

https://gyazo.com/8ce378f6eca5ff46298291d010dbff9e

[toxic yacht]

did birdring watch EU contenders?

mei?

ah, widow

[nova wadi]

???

[toxic yacht]

smh mercy not even rezzing in pro play

[red anvil]

widow dident work at all

[nova wadi]

pharmercy

[toxic yacht]

birdring pharah rascal tracer

something feels off

wonder if they're gonna switch

[clever portal]

Effect feeding

[lost orbit]

can i see hot pro mercy gameplay now

[toxic yacht]

nope, 76 now

[lost orbit]

has the time come

[toxic yacht]

mercy swapped

[lost orbit]

UGH

why do i always miss it

[clever portal]

Mercy

[nova wadi]

why is mickie using his ult so much

[clever portal]

Effect back to hard carry

But can't carry in elo hell NA team

[lost orbit]

oh hey a sombra

[toxic yacht]

sombra has been on every map now

I think

[red anvil]

yeah she have

[toxic yacht]

note how effect started ignoring birdring more

birdring/rascal

[nova wadi]

idk i was hoping for a teamwipe when i saw that EMP

[clever portal]

Reverse sweep?

Inb4 full hold

This is an interesting new style though

KDP and LH both focus tanks instead of Supports

[feral solar]

😢

[crisp lynx]

looks like full hold

[copper bane]

[feral solar]

F

[red anvil]

chips getting bullied so much

[clever portal]

WHERE IS MICKIE

[toxic yacht]

TAIMOU

rascal threw that

omg

they can still hold though

:/

[red anvil]

seems like its a full hold

[feral solar]

GG

[nova wadi]

gg

[final river]

disappointed

[red anvil]

deffo full hold

[toxic yacht]

no effect

hah

[crisp lynx]

gg

[toxic yacht]

gg

taimou can have a break now

[copper bane]

nice semi finals two 4-0s lul

[toxic yacht]

👍

[crisp lynx]

at least i can see AFB vs nV 🤔

[clever portal]

AFB going to dumpster them

Focus Mickie and chips

nV collapses

[true tide]

Well damn.

[toxic yacht]

that's not as simple as it sounds

[red anvil]

micke smiling still

that guy is amazing

[true tide]

At least Taimou can have his break now.

[clever portal]

More games

They play on Friday

[red anvil]

still gota fight for the 3rd place

[supple nymph]

https://www.over.gg/4678/af-blue-vs-tbd-ogn-apex-season-3-finals-bronze

[red anvil]

whens the grand finals?

[true tide]

Ahh, true.

[supple nymph]

https://www.over.gg/4679/lh-vs-kdp-ogn-apex-season-3-finals-gf

[nova wadi]

what do y'all think?

[crisp lynx]

7/29

[nova wadi]

LH or KDP

[toxic yacht]

LH

[red anvil]

LH

[nova wadi]

mhm

[clever wagon]

LH obv

[red anvil]

only reason KDP beat them last time was because first time playing with Gido for the first time

[clever wagon]

Alwaysoov is a crazy mastermind and the roster execute well

That too

[cosmic path]

I think probably LH but KDP won't go easy

[clever wagon]

LH will probably gonna adapt faster on the fly

Jfc

NV getting the AFB treatment

[supple nymph]

https://twitter.com/EnVy_Taimou/status/882204480304955393

Timo Kettunen (@EnVy_Taimou)

Can't be sad because there's thousands of OW tournament games to be played in the future 😀 @teamKONGDOO outclassed us today. Good game!

Twitter

LOL

[toxic yacht]

it's true

¯_(ツ)_/¯

got outplayed

pretty decisive win

first 2 maps were close

[supple nymph]

it sounds like he's being sarcastic

[toxic yacht]

the other two were 🤔 though

[supple nymph]

with the 'thousands of games'

[clever wagon]

Most likely sarcastic

[supple nymph]

😄

[toxic yacht]

probably

lul

[red anvil]

20 days earlier home from korea

he is happy taimou

[clever wagon]

Blame the great

[toxic yacht]

yup

he gets a longer break now

after friday

[red anvil]

i kinda wanted envy in the finals rather then KDP though

[crisp lynx]

contenders s1 start mid of august.

[red anvil]

3 KDP vs. LH matches in one season is too much

[clever portal]

@red anvil world cup groups in between

Timo plays on 24th

[nova wadi]

i wanna see canada united kingdom and my own country

[toxic yacht]

brb crying in a corner

[clever portal]

Guys finally we can say: NA LUL

[clever wagon]

Well I was hoping for NV

But... well

Time and time again

Fall under T1

[crisp lynx]

Rogue was unlucky. Two team in group A goes final.

[clever wagon]

Rogue got the Misfits S2 bullshit death group

Sure, save the hype battles IN THE GROUP PHASE

Fuckin

What

OGN

cmonBruh DansGame

[clever portal]

Fuck Rogue

[clever wagon]

It only ended up not being a hype because Nico's LAN problems and all sorts of shit got dealt with by KDP quickly

@clever portal chu say? cmonBruh

[clever portal]

https://images.discordapp.net/attachments/158191115609047040/331765247054446602/image_6.jpg

[nova wadi]

[feral solar]

[red anvil]

lol

[potent crystal]

thats not esports discussion

[clever portal]

More like esports meme

[toxic yacht]

this is espanol ports

[rapid oxide]

Go flipping burgers because it's better than ow retard

Gg KDP

[wary falcon]

Actually after 3 seasons of playing OW

i prefer burgers over overwatch

[rapid oxide]

hf on gambling knife simulator

Best Soldier/Tracer duo in the game: Rascal and Birdring

Second best Soldier/Tracer duo in the game: Birdring and Rascal.

Oh look, suddently EFFECT from being the tracer God now he's shit

[wary falcon]

he is still best tracer

[rapid oxide]

Not for reddit

[wary falcon]

mechanically

if team is perfoming badly

[rapid oxide]

It's higly up voted

[wary falcon]

tracer can't do much

[rapid oxide]

For reddit: you lose one match, you are suddently shit tier

You won = god

[wary falcon]

it's fair when tier-2 team face tier-1

[rapid oxide]

No matter how really good you are

[wary falcon]

when people realize about skill difference, remember AFB - LH match

[rapid oxide]

You think envy is tier 2?

[wary falcon]

nope

i think tier-1, today was a bad day for a half of team

while KDP were just better overall

[rapid oxide]

KDP is not tier 2

[wary falcon]

it's fair when tier-2 team face tier-1
remember AFB - LH match

afb is not top tier team, they stomped through weak teams and people thought that air slayer can actually win against teams with a good teamplay

even bookmakers gave them odds around 1.9

Also, KDP weren't favorites to win Apex, in fact they rated even lower than Rogue and other korean teams

Rogue were favorites in match between them and KDP

[rapid oxide]

odds lol

most of the time they don't know shit

[wary falcon]

they earn money on this

OW is just new esports so stuff like this happens

sometimes

[rapid oxide]

reason of why you can't base your arguments on match odds

beating envyus and lh is enough reason for me to call them a top tier team

maybe 1.5 tier

envy is still tier 1 for me despite losing 4 0 today

[wary falcon]

for me tier-1 is ability to win biggest tournaments

so if you are able to win Apex - you are tier-1

[clever portal]

NV Rogue AFB tier 1

KDP and LH tier SKT

[balmy wolf]

Nah

Tier 1 = multiple LAN wins

LH if win APEX s3 will be tier 3, KDP will be tier 2 if they win

[lost orbit]

when is the next leddit tourney

[toxic yacht]

gotta ask iroq

dunno if he's even organizing a third one

[balmy wolf]

meanwhile

NIP vs C9 in ESL One Cologne

15-12 for NIP

[lost orbit]

how many teams did reddit tourney have

@mighty crypt when's next reddit tourney

[mighty crypt]

👀

[lost orbit]

i'm contractually obliged to face team meme reddit in combat

[mighty crypt]

Currently I am struggling to keep my activity up because of my job, so I can't say for sure. But what I do know is:

I am eager to run one more for sure

[wooden kestrel]

🐖💨

[clever portal]

Liquid beating Navi

[balmy wolf]

what

also

got beat by the 2 finalists in and

so were they shit?

[rapid oxide]

rogue is shit indeed

becuse they lost in apex

reddit logic

[clever portal]

Rogue isn't shit

[rapid oxide]

no it's clearly shit

they lost in apex

/s

[clever portal]

Just Reddit thought they were some god team that could go undefeated in Apex because they farmed NA

[rapid oxide]

reddit praise the flavor of the month

[clever portal]

Or atleast they wished it would happen

[rapid oxide]

do you remember the "IMT god tier NA"

when they lost (can't remember the tournament)

"yeah, still tier 2"

the day before they were comparing them the same as tier 1 team

same goes to , do you remember?

when in tank meta they were winning almost everything

praising them for everything

now they are shit

for reddit people

they started being shit after they lost one match when they had a win streak

[wintry matrix]

i think only certain communities are hive-minded and mostly only about certain things

[solid spear]

I mean its Reddit lul

[wintry matrix]

otherwise when team loses some people show up, when wins another people show up

[clever portal]

I remeber one day before rogue LH

Every comment: Rogue will win 3-1

Rogue will win 3-0

Post game: Rogue LUL

When NV went out in Apex s2

Every one was meme'ing

"we didn't send the best teams"

[balmy wolf]

https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/blog/20877886

.Doomfist hype?

[clever portal]

Hope he's good

[wintry matrix]

inb4 he's actually a very mobile hero and we're stuck in an even deeper dive meta hell

[clever portal]

Doomfist 97% pick rate

[balmy wolf]

@wintry matrix that is kind of likely

if the leaks are correct that iis

[wintry matrix]

i don't remember any of those

[balmy wolf]

@wintry matrix expect some Tracer-like ability

[lost orbit]

if blizzard's new hero design is anything to go by, he won't be

each new hero addressed a certain flaw in the meta of the time

so i'd say he actually won't be mobile at all

and counter dive in some way

with a HUGE FIST it doesnt make sense to be mobile anyway

[balmy wolf]

1 word: Orisa

[lost orbit]

whats that word do

[solid spear]

The hero is made so far in advanced I dont see how current meta changes anything about it

[balmy wolf]

oh you know, just grabbing other heroes' ability and repurposed it for "new hero"

[lost orbit]

orisa was aimed at wedging reinhardt out of a "must pick" position

by giving an alternative to him

@solid spear how are they made far in advance

[solid spear]

That wasnt a specific meta thing and by the time Orisa came out Rein wasnt even a must pick

These heros at the very least take months to make and multiple metas can happen between developmemt and release

[balmy wolf]

during Orisa's release dive was already experience a resurgence

[lost orbit]

prototyping takes months

its not a rigid process of "now we start making hero x with abilities abcd"

[balmy wolf]

so it was basically a solution for a problem that is already taking itself out

[lost orbit]

and they ditch plenty of ideas

the development and polishing of a fully finalized concept doesnt take months

[solid spear]

Yeah but its not as simple as oh this hero is coming out when dive is good so it will be made to be a dive counter

[balmy wolf]

i don't think people here read the leaks but ok

[lost orbit]

my wager is that it will be

feel free to disagree

[solid spear]

I read them but theyre just leaks

[wintry matrix]

it could be, but if it is, it'll be a coincidence

[lost orbit]

why

[balmy wolf]

last time there was a leak it confirmed the Orisa thing and a couple of other things in advance

so i'm leaning 60/40 atm

[lost orbit]

if anything, my point will be proven by how he will differ from the leaks

because the leaks paint him as just about the worst possible addition to the dive meta

so if he is anti-dive, clearly they changed directions during development quick enough

to react

[balmy wolf]

and also, don't expect new hero to change the meta until atl east a few months down the line

[wintry matrix]

like, Sombra wasn' a counter to tanks specifically, Orisa isn't a counter

what was the meta before Ana?

[lost orbit]

sombra was a counter to reinhardt/lucio deathball

ana was a response to a lack of healers

[wintry matrix]

Sombra counters everything really

[balmy wolf]

....Sombra is not a counter to Reinhardt/Lucio death ball

[lost orbit]

lol

[solid spear]

Stuff like we need more healers and we need another Rein replacement or more general than a hero meant to counter a specific meta

[balmy wolf]

that's the line everyone said until Blizzard has to buff her because she is inadequate at that job

[lost orbit]

her hack destroys barriers, shields and overshields

she was clearly aimed to do so

[wintry matrix]

and we've still got lack of healers, you'd think that before Sombra they'd put another supp

[lost orbit]

i couldnt care less what she ended up doing

[solid spear]

Plus tank meta took off really after Sombra was already out

In November

[balmy wolf]

uh, just because she can renders shields useless for 5 seconds doesn't mean she countered them

[lost orbit]

lol

putting this channel back on mute

[balmy wolf]

that's rather simplistic level of thinking

[wintry matrix]

it's kinda of a counter, 5 seconds is a long time, and tanks without abilities are huge ult farming

[balmy wolf]

well, Sombra was released when triple tank was a thing, and she didn't do any dent at all to dissasuade people from tanking

[wintry matrix]

you'd could argue that's because people are stubborn, same with ana, took a month to use her

[balmy wolf]

possibly, but Sombra was kind of underpowered

and the only team that used her is Complexity

[lost orbit]

can you bother to read

[balmy wolf]

and the way they used her is also simplistic

[solid spear]

EMP is a good counter but in a meta with Ana healing as high as it was and a ton of tanks she couldnt kill shit

[lost orbit]

and read i was talking about intent

from the development team

instead of harping on about what actually happened

and maybe once youve deigned to so you can comment on people's "simplistic way of thinking"

[balmy wolf]

intent from the development team doesn't mean shit when in real life people executed it differently or found the development team's way to be woefully inadequate

[wintry matrix]

i wouldn't say underpowered, it's just that most people thought of her raw dmg instead of utilty, tho she did receive some QOL buffs

[lost orbit]

doesnt matter when that is what i talked about

[balmy wolf]

do people use D.va's DM to protect Junkrat tire?

[solid spear]

The thing is tank meta took off after Sombra was already out

[lost orbit]

and you dragged the statement off topic and off purpose

[balmy wolf]

mind you @wintry matrix Sombra is more of a disruptor than assassins, so for now she is good in that part

[wintry matrix]

just watch the development updates, jeph said a lot of times that ideas come from everywhere

[balmy wolf]

just need more people to use her beyond just an EMP bot

[solid spear]

When Sombra came out we were still seeing stuff like Beyblade

[wintry matrix]

so they may even make one with intent to change something general, but it will be not something as volatile as the meta

[balmy wolf]

I mean they intended that Bastion's changes to help him be more meta and less reliant on the turret mode

and look how that turned out for the guy

Dev's intent doesn't mean shit if the players base either rejected it or just don't use it

[wintry matrix]

tbh with dive bastion is fucked, when dive isn't a supreme meta maybe he can see a good usage

[pure kettle]

but it matters to ividyon and thats all that matters right?

😄

[balmy wolf]

mind you, the new D.va cucked him regardless

so even in deathball

if there's a D.va

well, Bastion, you are obselete

[pure kettle]

honestly I wish he had a little more to his recon mode

i love shooting ppl in recon mode

😃

[wintry matrix]

i dunno, i'd still give bastion a chance after dive meta

[balmy wolf]

the problem with Bastion is that they made him into a psuedo 76, pulling him out of his niche

[solid spear]

Like ivid I get what ya mean but I think stuff like we need another frontlime tank or a new healer is more general stuff as opposed to building a hero to counter a specific meta that may or may not be relevant when it eventually comes out

[lost orbit]

i never said he'll be successful in it, i only stated i heavily expect him to be aimed at dismantling dive, and that blizzard AIMING to dismantle certain metas and issues about balance with new heroes has been the pattern thus far

[balmy wolf]

which is extremely high burst damage at the cost of mobility

[lost orbit]

i dont mind the rest of your discussion

but you might as well be preaching to the choir

youre not disagreeing with me because i havent said anything of the sort

[balmy wolf]

meanwhile Bastion is saddled with a tank hitbox and no mobility option

and the 35% ironclad buff was OP the moment it announced

so after taking it out Bastion is just kind of shit

[wintry matrix]

i'm disagreeing with you in saying they're aming at a specific meta

[lost orbit]

i just dont expect them to be dumb enough to add a dive hero during dive meta

even if they designed him as such, they would delay him for another time and push another hero forward

but theyre bringing him out

[wintry matrix]

they nerfed road during dive

[lost orbit]

so i just dont see him being another pillar of dive meta

[balmy wolf]

just to segway this back to the convo about "dismantling the meta", there are ranked meta and pro meta. And Blizz like their ranked meta more than balancing based on tournament play

[lost orbit]

call me naive

dive is currently meta in both

[solid spear]

I mean for all we know by the time DF is out dive might not even be the meta who knows

[lost orbit]

sick and tired of winston in comp

[wintry matrix]

and i don't think that's how game developing works, if they have a hero ready, it wouldn't be beneficial to them putting in hold, and hoping there's another ready

[solid spear]

Winston is cancer

[balmy wolf]

They brought out Orisa when dive was in a resurgence, and nerfed Roadhog when dive was in full effect

[lost orbit]

blizzard has egregious amounts of money and they can fully afford to make economically unfeasible decisions for the better of the game

[wintry matrix]

not really

[balmy wolf]

i'm not convinced that Blizzard has any idea about "dismantling the meta"

[pure kettle]

let genji absorb shocks with his sword! lol

[wintry matrix]

not realeasing heroes means less content, which drives people away

[lost orbit]

see also: HOTS still existing

the massive failure that it must be

with its 5 minute queue times

[wintry matrix]

HOTS is a failure? i thought it was doing well (considering it's competitors)

[balmy wolf]

tried to take the cake of Starcraft pie from the KR when the KR was the one that baked in

so expect them to act "rationally" is kind of dumb

[solid spear]

Plus yeah they like nerfed Rein and Hog and buffed Winston in a dive centric meta so who knows with them anyway lul

[balmy wolf]

also Auction House in Diablo 3

[lost orbit]

i remember them saying that hero releases dont really do much economically either way

compared to cosmetics

[wintry matrix]

well, each game has different development teams, with different philosiphies i assume

it does in the long-term

the same way with hackers

[balmy wolf]

actually.....if you look at the way they balance Starcraft 2

it is strangely like OW

in a sense they focused too hard on the casual meta

and then forgot the pros

[wintry matrix]

hackers are very damaging because it drives people way, shriking player base, which can become a full circle

[balmy wolf]

they tried to make all 3 raced 50/50/50 vs each other

[wintry matrix]

if it was truly focused on casual they would nerf pharah/phamercy

i don't buy the "bliss balance for the plebs"

[lost orbit]

^

[balmy wolf]

they tried to balance across all tier

which is the same as balance for plebs

[wintry matrix]

i just think they have their (sometimes strange, sometimes bullshit) philosophy of balancing

[lost orbit]

none of overwatch changes save for roadhog have been primarily beneficial for low rank, and fucked up high rank

[balmy wolf]

remember that 90% of the player base are below diamond

[wintry matrix]

tbh, sometimes pros have the same knowledge as casuals in terms of balancing

[balmy wolf]

so if they want to balance it around plat/diamond

they ARE balancing for plebs

balancing for 90% of the player base is exactly just that

[lost orbit]

they introduce balance changes that have a similar impact across all tiers, and hold off and tread carefully around those that heavily impact low rank while not being so massive in high

[solid spear]

I think its a bit of both

[lost orbit]

junkrat is unplayed in gm+ but they don't do anything about it because it's fine for him to be unplayed, if it prevents him from becoming an even bigger scourge in bronze

reaper's adjustment is super careful and subtle in order not to break the meta at any rank

i dont remember a huge negative example that isn't roadhog

of a balance change they made

[solid spear]

Remember stuff like Ana really got nerfed primarily cuz of high level, Lucio got changed cuz pros complained about his omnipresence granted the changes didnt change that and yeah if it was solely balanced around plebs stuff like Pharah Mercy would've been hit by now

[lost orbit]

^

[solid spear]

On the other hand you do have stuff lile hog that got nerfed despite being ass in pro scene

[balmy wolf]

I can tell you that the lucio change isnt because of pros.

[solid spear]

So its not exclusively one or the other

[lost orbit]

i doubt hog was aimed as a nerf

more of a rework/shift of role that went wrong

and left him a bit too weak

like with sombra a lot of it will probably also come with time

once people realize they have to play him differently, and he gets a few numeric tweaks here and there

[solid spear]

Ehhh I dont think this character can really ever be good in his current state but thats just me

[lost orbit]

and you cant title the roadhog change as aimed at noobs either, imo. it's shit and badly designed gameplay no matter the rank, it is correct to remedy it

sure high rank can play around it, its not difficult or OP, not a balance concern

but it's just terrible design anyway

[wintry matrix]

i agree with you, but even not being a nerf, this change in playstyle is a stealth nerf to dive

[lost orbit]

yeah

agree its shitty timing

though if they didnt leave him numerically lacking/weak it wouldve been fine

[wintry matrix]

i could see a thin road working with this current playstyle (minus self-heal)

[lost orbit]

maybe shave a second off hook cooldown, give him something special to do with the gas canister

there's no tank with healing capabilities yet

[solid spear]

Idk a big hitbox character with no defensive capabilities but without the high damage that he relied on really just makes him an ult battery

[lost orbit]

it feels like he's supposed to sit in the backline and keep it safe now

but idk

the stats are speaking for themselves and he's currently bad, they need to give him a bump in some direction, i'm curious to see what it will be

[solid spear]

Eh Roadhog doesnt really keep your backline safe if he just hooks something and they live youd rather have D.Va protecting your backline

[lost orbit]

yeah

he sucks rn

just trying to read where they intended him to go

even if it didnt work out

[solid spear]

I mean Roadhog really did just play like a fat dps before they just made him less of a dps but hes still fat lul

[lost orbit]

his counterplay was teamwork, and that was just no good

hoping for him to mechanically fuck up, or having an ally

[balmy wolf]

Roadhog is more of a fat DPS now ironically

His hook was what make him tank

[lost orbit]

nothing changed about his hook...?

he's less of a fat dps than before the last rework

[balmy wolf]

The threat of his hook is decreased

[solid spear]

Yeah the hooks the same its the damage thats gone

The threat of the hook decreased because of damage though not the hook itself

[balmy wolf]

Which make the threat of his hook and his ability to create space lessened significantly

[lost orbit]

as well as his threat in general

which is what people have an issue with

the idea was to shift his killing power from a single shot into sustained damage, it didnt work, it's numerically weak

though t500 tracer is telling me he's more of an issue to him now than before

[solid spear]

Theyre almost certainly gonna have to visit Roadhog again later

[lost orbit]

yup

[solid spear]

Hog is actually slightly better against her

[lost orbit]

which again hints at a new role as flanker deterrent

[solid spear]

Still one shots her doesnt get farmed quite as bad higher rof gives him more changes to hit her

[lost orbit]

the head hitbox change was pretty huge

[pure kettle]

i always said they should just classify him as DPS

[solid spear]

But against pretty much everything else nah especially cuz stuff like Genji and healers can get out

[pure kettle]

and rename tanks to "People with Shields"

rofl

[lost orbit]

sombra in support 🤔

symmetra in defense 🤔

[pure kettle]

atleast sombra gets ult charge from healing 😏

[lost orbit]

maybe they'll adapt tank/dps/support slots like everyone already calls them anyway, eventually

with some more fancy name so it makes sense why sym and sombra are "support"

utility or something

[pure kettle]

^thats the word

[solid spear]

maybe down the line

[pure kettle]

had it on the tip of my tongue and was annoying me haha

[clever portal]

So there's no changes in the ptr right?

Just random highlight stuff

[supple nymph]

https://twitter.com/Osterity_esport/status/882258889714135040

Osterity (@Osterity_esport)

@123Overwatch Hello, can we speak together please? ty

Twitter

[solid spear]

Well the Mercy spawn change and crosshairs as well

[wary falcon]

sombra in support
symmetra in defense

you can play sombra as dps

[solid spear]

You can play Sym as dps too

[wary falcon]

haHA

[supple nymph]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6l74f3/yongbongtang_overwatch_usage_is_showing_signs_of/

[clever portal]

Taimou streaming VOD review

[supple nymph]

https://www.twitch.tv/taimoutv

taimou mad at reddit 😦

[solid spear]

good

[clever portal]

What did he say?

[balmy wolf]

lol

this meta has always been hard to watch

but everyone denied that

until Yongbongtang said otherwise

and then suddenly it has always been hard to watch

[clever portal]

The hivemind is strong

[clever portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/158191115609047040/331840503261954048/APEX5.gif

[blazing parrot]

what happened in apex?

i missed most of it

:/