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Puppies and 123 
Discord bots when? 
for this
Maybe OWL will blow our mind
Super Bowl production
ALL MATCHES will be streamed live
lol
highlighted hahaha
North America
Europe
Carbon Entertainment will handles the production then? π€
and then i see SOUTH AFRICA
This one is offline also 

btw
Hope not reign
draw said this like 10 minutes ago
I mean... Offline should be higher production value
half an hour ago actually my bad http://i.imgur.com/BpPDbo5.png
But it's blizzard
Hopefully we get to see a new team on lan
time to see my boys Monte and Doa shat on EU OW
300k prizepools were too much money
Blizzard aim at 1m
Kruise doing his best WhoRU impression with Genji
2CP is fine guise
jeph likes it
so it's a good mode
you just don't know that you enjoy it
hahahahaha
Misfits 0-3
cya
fml

Tviq 
Puppies vs Kittenz final 

Good riddance that wasn't streamed for them lul
rip
brb kmsing
Swedish roster change?
Misfits probably thanking jeff personally that he didnt stream that match lul
Realistically, who should Misfits upgrade?
HELLO ROGUE π BabyRage I'M TVIQ π BabyRage CAN I GO BACK? π BabyRage
feels like Misfits needs a different off tank/DPS hybrid from Manneten
I'm not sure if zebbo has been doing that well on main support
tbh
nevix is the better support, but they kinda wanted him to deeps
Inb4 they blame the meta
thing is, manneten is a super good zarya
but zarya is kind of garbage rn
his hog is really good too
I really haven't been impressed by his dva
misfits is also being disjointed
We welcome Friberg to Misfits 
as always
also, movi is getting destroyed
I've always felt like the trade never make sense for Misfits, with the Swedes guys coming from a tier 2 team that is LG
Nevix isn't something special tbh
look at the % and the ults
you have Rogue, Misfits, and................Luminosity?
Ppl prase him but i never understood why
one doesn't belong here
LH's coach was right
about 6 ults
lul
he played what was probably the best mei during the ow open
Well Loyal was known as the team that held good talent in jail
EU ults π€
This was supposed to be the day we redeemed ourselves, instead, another huge disappointment.
I have no words. Unbelievable. I feel sick.
Someone call Reinforce

he's crying 

lol, didn't notice
well, Nevix is a supportive DPS
eUnited biggest throw of my life
wew that was a throw
in this meta I'd rather put someone like nevix on 76 or dva
not on genji
thing is, tviq is their best genji
and their best tracer
Misfits you only have Tviq as the carry, and Manneten/Nevix being supportive DPS, and Zebbosai not playing his role, so you know
and their best soldier
TviQ really needs an aKm right now
yep
honestly
as much as I love nevix
I wonder how putting him back on support
would do
and zebbo on off-tank flex
Nevix one of the only players in the world to reach GM in season 1
lmao
Morte = Morty
Logix = Logic
FUCKING EUNITED
HE JJUST
THROWING AGAIN
oh, good
Zave was the problem 
they did it
what i mean is 90+ @toxic yacht
ya
90+ had the gm icon
ahhh
s1 had icons?
didn't pay attention
lul
I miss finnsi 
his zarya was insane, but his dva probably succ
Finssi zarya & 76 
eUnited pls
movi almost backcapped that
ngl
vallu's tracer
kinda looks better than soon's
to me

wtf are these backcaps
Sigh... mirror matches for deyyyz.... :(
cwoosh almost has sword again
why even
ez for 123
3-0?
so Puppiez vs 123 then?
yep
at least all of those teams are going to S1
so plenty of time to prepare
would be funny if somehow Ube turned into a game breaking Genji that was always kind of there in LG
but never happened.
apparently Morte wants his name pronounced morty

its been prononounced morte up to this point by every caster
or mort
you can even see kruise calling him morte in his vlogs
and he doesnt care

in russian keyboard we have "e" and "Ρ" on the same key
I will not stream or play any ranked for the rest of OGN. Overwatch is a fucking garbage can of a game.
Later.

lol doa
Starcraft
WutFace
Still tilted?
taimou salty af
but yeah, I can totally see where he'S coming from
Logix widow 
He can leave for TF2 lul
Or Paladins
Better Paladins than TF2
RIp misfits
what happeend
@ggHarsha Can't wait for SC remastered jfc. At least those people knew how to make a good competitive game.
they were nuts
Its still blizzard 
oh god i missed a lot of profit today
True
Cwoosh 
you know
I see unfixed on dva instead of dps and am like 
then I remember
that he played off-tank for the longest time anyway
he is flexible, he played all dps/tank roles
he also played genji at some point
i remember him even on junkrat
when haksal was fucking them
he tried to run his own genji
tried
who thought that picking gib vs eU was a good idea?
unfixed is a good dps too
this is like eU picking it vs rogue
gosh rogue really got the good side out of the deal vs misfits
yuo
french > swedes who knew
Everyone got fucked in the swaps but SoOn
remember when we were all like "lul, rogue got fukt, misfits are the best now"
literally SoOn was the only player that didnt get fucked from the swaps
he went from winning two majors to winning even more things
can confirm, must have felt amazing
i have no idea who bazooka puppies are
Only if skipjack was french
5 ex LDLC iirc

poor skipjack π¦
skipjack 
Ex-LDLC and Rubikon
yee
wondering why Rubikon failed in eunited
he seemed really good
but boombox is better
on zen
at least
and probably they wanted to perfect their dive
wow, that coordination
Whenever someone is doing good on a team and they get dropped its either because they wanted to leave, personal problems within the team or the team had options for a better player
poor zen vs sombrero
instant EMP 50hp into a dash
that's actually perfect
you can delete zen so well like taht
rip movi
We will be live tweeting our quarterfinal against @SingularityDK as it is off stream!

kruise must be happy playin gengu again
rip Singularity
stuck on lucio for several months
Kragie 
then stylosa happened
Sty 
What time does US contenders start tomorrow?
Thank you!
12pm PST
has zp and monte ever casted together?
no
Oh yeah I forgot Unfixed's reaper
boombox sombrero
hmmm
Sombra EMP again. Jinkies.
https://twitter.com/MisfitsGG/status/881177393586741248 can feel the disappointment in one twitt
Yeah
MISFITS :(
Are these BO5 single-elim today?
Not even "We will come back strong next"
Yeah ceiu
Or some pr bs
Straight "we lost"
he's so damn good
deserves wins
:(((((((
ya, no more "we fucked up, we're stronk" or any excuses
just straight up "we succ"
:(
reaper is nutty on offense
π
HELLO ROGUE? π
ITS TVIQ π
CAN I COME BACK? π 
KOLSTI PLS
fuckn 2cp
there is such a large gap between the best teams and the others in every region
Disgusting stagger
12 ults 
classic 2cp
nice dante
moviestar is getting smashed
hmm boombox with the super early trans
Rogue: "Cyclowns has better teamworks than eUnited"
guess he expected an emp?
I wonder how much is just eUnited outmechanic their opponents
which is the same thing Rogue did to their NA opposition
seems like it
tbh
fuk everyone in NA and EU, can't fuk in korea because they can't get outmechaniced like that
Whoever said that was probably talking about Cyclone @balmy wolf
@balmy wolf that was Winz
or AKM? Can't remember
lol
some server slowdown it seems
nice
i know it happens on my end too
this server is massive, it tends to run into these issues
well
at least Misfits/Riders/RIP will have 1K to their bank acc
enough for a Swedish meatball or two

Misfits either needs to change their roster
or make their coach more like a coach
can't stand NA/EU team treating their coach like just "friends with advices"
korean genjis 
https://clips.twitch.tv/UgliestResoluteWrenPRChase
Why do they stream their hands?
@toxic yacht the other team was dumb as a rock too
ikr
"the other team has 2 top 500. Better play fucking Orisa and Mercy"
NA OW as its finest
because NA OW
why get better when you can pick Mercy and get all the bonus SR due to the fucked up system?
LK 2
0 - 2 
Every game has been 3-0
2-2 on Hana atm
Kittenz Look good on Hanamura
https://www.twitch.tv/alwaysoov Alwaysoov, the Coach of Lunatic Hai, streamed for a total of 5~6 hours talking with his fans about the events...
WhoRU is not kicked from LH, he comfirmed. The issue regarding WhoRU is actually something related to the LH organization itself, not something personally connected to the other players or the coach. He said that he cannot say anything further than this and that the org will officially announce how long WhoRUβs detention will be very soon.
Lunatic Hai usually scrims 12 hours a day. He said that this is the daily life of most Korean teams.
like NA 
βwho do you think will come to the finals?β And he replied without a momentβs hesitation: βEnvyus.
still NA scrim 8 h
one is good at esport, one is shit. guess which one 
I thought most teams scrimmed 4 hours and the rest was vod reviews and shit
There comes a day when you slack and fall short.
That is not today.
We 3-0 @SingularityDK and will face @eUnitedgg in a broadcasted semi. https://t.co/UsbCrzY6xB
Advertisement? wut

now you can all stop complaining 
tbh trackmania is dope
you want me to be toxic so badly?
that's even worse
20k 
he stopped streaming?
wow
cool
still don't like him anyway. maybe a little bit less


maybe orgs should wait until the end of a tournament
before deciding stuff like that
stuff like what
Don't expect that very soon
maybe during S1 start
But Blizzard have to prove a lot
Misfits better have an excuse
This is getting ridiculous
Movistar Riders 1-2 Singularity
I the sorcerer from the west,am going too say the spell on general discussion that will unleash toxicity and caos
eliminated
Failedπ’
pubg esports
https://www.twitch.tv/curse
obvious troll account is obvious
you delete the post about taimou twitt?
tried lawbreaker, holy hell it's horrible
overwatch have nothing to worry about
about taimou taking a break? no
@rapid oxide if you want some rage inducing thing, read the replies to the twitter thread
the ones where they announce the EU matches
the S1 thread?
that sombra play is glorious
Whats so bad about the replies?
they are all asking about WC
smh
is it bo3 or bo5 in conteders koth?
BO5
also about emotes, skins
kai ty π
tshirts
has Monte and Doa always this sleepy?
if
will win, they will fuck my prediction hard lol
Grey Sombra 
LH strat all over
EMP the zenyatta
funny part i said Misfits would get to finals 
i'm as bad as Winston Lab in prediction

Misfits is the new 
Rip Vace
@balmy wolf not according to their twitter 
Reading the LH coach interview "Gido was really depressed after making that fatal mistake that cost them Dorado as Genji, and the coach said that Gido refused to talk with anyone for two days. The coach tried his best to cheer him up by saying that βlosing is the fastest way to learn your mistakesβ." 
π

π
KR tactical pause strats
poor gido man
still paused? 
router reset apperently lol
i get it
Overwatch tournaments have so many pauses and delays I've heard the whole soundtrack
just mute stream and play https://open.spotify.com/album/4zJnD2LAR3FVAanUW4FCFp
That music 
had a vod up on different tab, switch wrong, wondered why LK was suddenly on Volskaya 
Thrash attack by LK
Playing it way too safe
aren't LK getting coach by BK stars's coach?
eUnited just ignored them
I doubt they'll complete the map
Unless this is some form of hardcore chess
*Rogue
Just it's probably played every game
They can go to a map they're comfortable with now though
2CP should be good for LK
missed pulses 
Great push 
snowball π
LK getting recked by Vallu
He is 1v3 and he will still get the win
eUnited 3-1
LK look lost
They just come in and use ults
now thats a bit harsh
time to get held for 6 minutes cause 2cp
I think LH stalled for 5 minutes
nearly 23K viewers π€
I think Hanamura?
yeah
wonder how that wouldve gone if grey didnt throw emp point a
That last fight shows the difference between these teams
A 50/50 fight
LK doesn't get a single kill
Greyy throwing4dafran
so c9 and selfless have to do Open Division to get into season 2?
or something else
season 2? not season 1?
or am i confused
jamerson said stuff there
S1 already 100% confirmed 8 teams
aha okai
Yeah makes sense, could be 2 teams relegated
rest of the teams have to go into nub league to get promoted to season 2
I'm assuming if it's 8 teams in S2, no
If they expand the number of teams, they all might
Or atleast have an opportunity to play for their spot
oh nm he actually said,
Sort of, except the format for open division is pretty different. While S0 qualies were single elim open bracket, Open division I believe is a swiss system iirc.
S1 Contenders Top X will play S2. Bottom Y of S1 Contenders plays Top Y of S2 Open.
I like how the 'masters+' amateur league will be filled with pro teams
Effective today, we are announcing the release of our Overwatch roster. Our news release can be found here: https://t.co/1rC8h7sqKZ

RIP
π
EG 
I left to get a drink when LK were pushing second point
Good to see they were throwing for Dafran while I was gone
π―
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"This comes after a dialogue where the result was one that both the roster and EG management felt was beneficial for all parties involved. Despite a strong early showing, players within the team felt that their synergy was not what it needed to be in order to progress, and requested their release."
That is a 
East Wind has been playing in tier 2 for god know how long
and now they are like "their synergy was not what it needed to be to progress"
do y'all nigga have a coach?
NA LUL

"Americans can play video games" 
Someone on reddit said they dont want to stick together
NA scene will always be NA
They had good players
They should do better in other teams
And maybe EG should buy FNRGFE
Or some EU team
I thought Kungarna is an org?
I found it majorly interesting though
the Kungarna core with IIRemix, babybay and Mykl
never has anything done by themselves
they merged with the Splyce team after NGE and they spent like months in the tier 3 hell
and now they suddenly on the coup of high tier 2 when they has Bischu, Dogman and Pookz playing for them
NRG Kayuun 
@solid spear trial
not full member
which is why i'm not terribly convinced that Babybay and Mykl is some unearthed DPS carry that only explode just now
well Dogman played with them a while
they had Shake one time too, mind you
idk Splyce wasnt awful or anything beat teams like Envision and Liquid and stuff
Shake was just one tourney though
for a team that has 3 people that finished 2nd in NGE
and has Graceful who is the top of the NA ladderboard at that point
that team performed kind of average
Graceful was also in and out of Sweden tbf
idk the core is still solid and Bischu is really good especially in this meta
I mean their former coach (the same coach who got kick before NGE to make room for Mykl's friend) noted that the merging was kind of stupid
and would not work out in the long term
and it didn't work out at all
so it is not like nobody was seeing it coming
harsh for EU to fight semis b2b to finals
It's only b2b for eUnited
did anyone predict 123 in the EU grand finals 
nope
I mean yeah I didnt predict but looking at their path Im not exactly shocked or anything
think Arc6 has to look into Goliath no?
possibly
there are a bunch of flex supports lf team
but whether or not do they want to play Zza's Mercy
is another question
yeah less Lucios though
I know NRG has been trialing Phaz but theres Peeb on the market now too
THROW
as long as its a good game
there have been so many stomps ffs
also it is just me or is this not even close to 60fps?
k r u i s e k o n t r o l
bribe
e "PERMANENT 2nd PLAC E FINISHER" UNITED
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rip eunited
No
LETS GO SNILLO
This a reverse choke
vomit?
Winning when they're about to lose
i dont think u can run the pharmercy, or at least mercy, without dva
mercy just gets fucked
kings of 2nd place
eUnited lost Oasis last round too
so while i'm not too worried, 123 did look pretty good
pretty sure that vace predicted eU vs 123 after misfits lost
can't be wrong in your prediction if you didn't predict anything 
for reference, Meepmeep is EG's manager
or was
nice
It's official, Mei is meta.
LOL
you mean the game or what?
UNFIXED
wow
@toxic yacht attack Mei
123 shows no mercy
attack Mei, Bastion on Village Nepal. Did some of these guys watch old
or what?
and also old Rogue 
didn't watch the entire match
i feel like im watching an old 2016 nrg match
I tuned in now
It's about time a pro team realizes that there's something more to the game than the current mirror meta.
lets break it ARGHH
123 with the KR transendence counter
@dusty surge or rather, people need to rewatch old stuff again
all of these are old strats getting rediscovered
It's all about perception, mate. Even at the pro level there's a lot of misconceptions based on what they themselves run.
What post?
123 is wrecking.
I'm not parroting anything; I've always advocated against the idea that we have the meta solved.
there's another reason why Western pro teams usually play around the meta. The Western formats are always short tournaments that heavily encourages execution vs building strats against specific teams
yee
if you need to pump everything into 2-4 days
you're not gonna have the ability to try out weird shit
like in apex
you have to realized that outside of APEX there is no league type that allow teams with a week or two just to prepare for a team at all.
even coach of LH noted it
it was a cheeky pick that worked for one fight lol
rogue tried to approach apex like a western tournament
they swapped right back to meta
It's not even about targeting a specific team; The OW community in general has a bad habit of picking one flavor of the month and brute forcing the fuck out of it and shitting on everything else.
And that's along the entire gammut (sp)
eunited 100% shitting the bed here
I didn't miss shit. Stop assuming.
you also conflating pocket strats vs "the meta is unsolved"
there's a difference between a strat that designed specifically for a team
vs "this meta is still not solved"
lol k
I mean feels free to argue otherwise, because at this moment you are just basically doing a smart ass impression of "see, i told everyone that this meta is not resolved yet"
and everyone is like "uh, there are X reasons why it is not"
and your response is basically a petulent child being grumpy because his candy is taken away
dem personal attacks tho
you aren't argue in good faith with your responses, so don't be afraid of getting mocked
This is why I just responded with "lol k" -- because you're doing that whole stubborn thing and the condescension is coming out.
Why waste my time? You aren't looking for a discussion, you're looking to be right.
πΏ
u guys are so boring
So pat yourself on the back champ, you win!
just argue, who cares about insults
Internet is not without internet without insults, lol
and don't tell me about condescension when you said "The OW community in general has a bad habit of picking one flavor of the month and brute forcing the fuck out of it and shitting on everything else."
which is basically "everyone is dumb, except me"
If that's how you want to interpret that, have at it. Denying that's what the community as a whole does is closing your eyes to reality.
eUnited fucking back
mei offense was cute
and amazing to watch
but it kind of wasted a lot of time
ameizing?
if you mean OW community as in "people who congregates in r/compow" then you are wrong, @dusty surge
because there are more people outside that little bubble
You really need to stop, mate.
unless you mean "western OW" then I can only laughs 
Yeah, see, you're doing the thing again.
lemme get this straight tho
are u saying the meta is resolved cause they picked mei for 2 minutes
isnt*
Deflect
I'm saying we haven't solved the meta because it's a silly thing to think with the age of the game as a whole and the latest round of balance changes. The fact we're getting little variations here and there at the pro level lends itself to that. It'll be nice when players in general -- both in matchmaking and at the pro level -- let go of that "we have to run <current popular meta> or you're throwing" mentality.
Who is this pink haired hero 
B O O M B O X
Zarya is usually used in last point
B1shop advocated for her as well
not particularly convinced with the pick though
I said it
eunited coming back
so hard
seems to be an ongoing theme
Thankfully you won't have to Sojum
little variations here and there != meta isn't resolved though
27K viewers Poggers
meta isn't resolved = a lot of picks and formations
this is different
even LH's coach noted that The West are much better as discovering the meta
of any given patches
With the amount of copy/pasting we see along community, it often takes a popular team to bring something new to those people. Sad fact of how some people view the meta.
OW's as a game has this weird quirks that the meta is slow to change, but very sensitive to patch changes
so unless we have a D.va level of patch changes
the meta is roughly going to stay the same for at least another month or two before any changes can take place
example: Pharmercy
Pharah and Mercy got some buffs and tweaks before
but only this patch that we really see her in play
and between their buffs and tweaks, it usually has been at least 2 months before it
right now the meta are pretty solidify across all region. Either 2/2/2 with D.va/Winston as main tank with some variations on DPS or triple DPS
just because a team ran Mei or Sombra as a deliberate strats doesn't mean that the meta is "unsolved"
the meta is not "unsolved" when at least 3 of the mains picks are solidified
they still ran the mei with otherwise standard picks too
basically
I mean, Bastion on Nepal Village. Kragie pulled that out. Does that mean the meta is suddenly unresolved now?
Get real.
Such narrowminded thinking is limiting.
u cant just say "ur narrowminded" lol
A Mei surprise, terrifying.
and now 123 is about to lose their first point
eUnited saw the Mei and now it ceased to be "meta" anymore
mei is so bad against dive
"oh look a wall, half of us can just jump over it or around it"
Mei actually works well with dive on certain maps, but Temple of Anubis is not one of them
C9 run Mei dive against Selfless during OW Rumble and rekt Selfless with it
where did they run it? kings row or something
Lijiang Tower Market and Nepal Village
basically the two usual suspects if you want to run Mei
oh yeah that works
mmm
and also
the reason it worked against Selfless is because Selfless at that point was tank-heavy
with Reinhardt/Roadhog
are the na playoffs and shit tomorrow?
@balmy wolf correct
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WHERED MY PULSE GO WTF
yeah kodak read that pulse bomb like an open book
More like Vallu had a moment of illiteracy
3to1 123
that is true
Dragonblade for a mini dva
I said it
28k viewers though
The reverse choke
OMM at its peak is like 30K I think
it is decent for EU
NA tmr should hit above 30K
if
market things properly
they should make a loot box you can get through a code randomly given out during stream
so they have to watch the whole thing
LOL kruise
lol he fell
kruise took lessons from Kyb
Not C9
i dont even know what taht means, i know it's cloud9 but what's the meaning of it?:>
its when ur team gets off the point and the enemy caps
ah
while in a winning one
c9 did the same mistake b2b
rip 123
hence why its called c9
allright, thanks
AFB made the same mistake so much, we should call it AFB LUL
See ya
gg eu
eunited not second, nice
eunited did decent against rogue at takeover finals
decent for any non KR team at least
i mean Rogue got beat by two of the top 4 team in APEX right now
and potentially top 2
so are they trash because of that?
group of death 
Envy "we got the easiest route to top 4" Us
if
was in
group
story would be much different
I just want
to qualify for S1
after that i'm happy
Are there only gonna be 8 teams in season 1 or 16?
8
nope
for EU, all the playoff teams are in S1
for NA, only 6 teams
2 will have to left their spots for
and 
I just want
to get to semi
after that i'm happy
I want my 300K NA/EU LAN though 
ayy
@balmy wolf
has finished their boot camp in nVidia π
Dang not even a week of bootcamping
nearly 3 weeks @balmy wolf
they boot camp around post E3
i was just talking about shadder
EnVy Us because we got the easiest route TehePelo
yeah
on their way to semi final they went up against Meta Athena, X6, BK stars, RGW
completely ducked AF Blue who was on a hot streak
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6kr3z6/give_mccree_a_time_freezing_flash_bang
froze target in place
easier
hit box change is unfair
Uh yeah maybe you just suck at aiming FailFish
who won the finals? 
eUnited
eU won Contenders EU?
Naisu
Wasn't Riders playing with bad ping against EU teams tho considering they're now in Hollywood
Hammers already flunked out of NA Group Stage










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