dumb af timing though
#esports-discussion
toxic yacht
solid spear
Cuz it pretty much never Insta dies nowadays since Hogs not a thing
solid spear
They shouldve adjusted the cooldown then
toxic yacht
yep
adjust them and make them consistent
instead of this garbage
like, all of these changes are fuckign ridiculous
I understand blizzard's intentions
but they are doing them at the worst possible time
solid spear
And they always justified it with winston wasnt getting pub play
toxic yacht
yup
lol
winston was always good
but nope, they justify it because he was shit in the tank meta
๐ค
wanton bronze
metas have to take it in turns
wanton bronze
its only fair
toxic yacht
ow metas are kinda funny tbh
whenever something goes meta
it metas hard
and literally nothing else is viable
or at least the alternatives are too hard to pull off
solid spear
Honestly more stuff was viable like...last summer than now
red anvil
^
toxic yacht
the only annoying thing was the lack of zenyatta
solid spear
Pretty much all tanks except D.Va saw at least a little play, Reaper, Tracer, Genji. McCree were interchangeable etc
clever portal
@toxic yacht they don't have loser map pick
toxic yacht
but much higher than I remember
clever portal
It's home/away picks
solid spear
Well Im talking discord...D.Va was still sub 5% usually
toxic yacht
I'm also talking discord, actually
have been watching ESL matches again recently
she was very niche though
only on first points
or whatever
wanton bronze
need to go full moba. Get point and click stuns on more characters. Maybe get some more slows that aren't Mei.
toxic yacht
fuck u reb
red anvil
D.vas buff was during S2 wasent it? i forgot so no buff for S2
solid spear
The goold old days when McCree existed 
toxic yacht
not in an fps game I will break jeph if he does that
red anvil
was nice seing arhan on Mccree today
solid spear
D.Vas initial buff was S1
red anvil
i was talking about matrix buff
red anvil
is it that long since the matrix buff
solid spear
Wait are you talking about thr new buff
toxic yacht
surefour's 7k 
I miss mccree
https://youtu.be/mWlaIq71muU?t=32m23s
red anvil
yeah the new one
solid spear
Oh thats Apex S2
balmy wolf
๐ Henlo Blizzard ๐ Bring back 0HL ๐ And call GoogleMe
red anvil
the one where no need for min distance, to prevent tracer spray in face
toxic yacht
oh, matrix fix was in s2
solid spear
I thought you meant its first buff which was comp S1
red anvil
no not that one
toxic yacht
the rework was in s1, yee
matrix fix was in apex s2 though
kinda ridiculous that they took so long to fix it
toxic yacht
it was dumb tbh
red anvil
yup
toxic yacht
I mean, I thoguht taht the fact that you could bypass it like that was dumb
felt inconsistent and honestly cheesy
it only really affected hog and zarya anyway
any projectile character in their right minds wouldn't every attack dva in her face like taht
red anvil
well tracer
toxic yacht
yeah, she's hitscan
so the fix didn't affect her
pulse bomb
oh yeah, pusle bomb
I forgot
toxic yacht
Esca 
rapid oxide
ARHAN LUL 202, GIDO LUL 137, MANO LUL 110,
HELLO MIRO ๐ BabyRage THIS IS THE COMMITTEE ๐ BabyRage ๐YOU CAN BE THE MAIN TANK NOW ๐ BabyRage this is by far the best spam
clever wagon
@red anvil ArHaN on McCree? You mean Recry
red anvil
it just worked so well when he was pocketed by mercy
clever wagon
Probably caught LH off guard
red anvil
probably
clever wagon
90+ per body shot is quite something after all
solid spear
I miss McCree 
toxic yacht
McCree 
clever wagon
Someone please make the Reasons to Live meme using McCree
red anvil
OHK on tracer heads
clever portal
They can reverse sweep
toxic yacht
lol
solid spear
Just buff tf out of McCree Ive been patient damn
rapid oxide
ESCA and Miro 
clever wagon
What was the prediction again, Winstons Lab? 
rapid oxide
clever wagon
This is a similar case with SR system not looking at the non-statistical data
A simple one, tbh
AFB hadn't gone up against any T1 team
But their stats were hella good
So this happens
clever wagon
"Predictions" ending up going far south
clever wagon
...
The issue that I brought up was Winston's Lab prediction and you're talking about over.gg ranks FailFish
rapid oxide
3 
0 
clever portal
Ah, didn't read it properly
clever wagon
I dunno about over.gg but I dunno what else would Winston's Lab prediction be seeing back then when it made the 4-1 for AFB
clever portal
Blank is done
No way they somehow figure out FW in one day
They had a week
Winston's lab should learn a simple thing
You never get against LH
3-0/ 3-1 reverse sweep
They can do it all
clever portal
Ez 4-0
round cargo
Who's the best tracer? SoOn, Surefour or Sinatraa
clever wagon
I wanted to say EFFECT but I feel I still have to save it until KDP match
clever wagon
Though SoOn is practically undisputed in NA anyway
clever wagon
Yeah EU has those 3
clever wagon
"In NA"
Anyway old Rogue might have been able to do it
But it's not the old Rogue
red anvil
dident really follow OW at that time so not familiar with it
clever wagon
And Nico has LAN issues
In S3 anyway
They dominated TakeOver so idk how Nico would do now with more LANs
red anvil
it was Tivq, IDDQD and reinforce right?
clever wagon
KnoxXx, Winz, Reinforce, akm, TviQ, unkoe
DPS duo stacked as fuck
I mean
Realistically
red anvil
shame they went whole french
clever wagon
akm and TviQ have way deeper hero pools combined than even the new Rogue's DPS trio
balmy wolf
Soon is more surefire pick with his Tracer
red anvil
would really have enjoyed to see tivq and rein on a more solid team
clever wagon
Didn't seem like there was even any chemistry issues from the outside, but we don't know what's going on
balmy wolf
According to winz, just team conflicts
like honestly outside of the KR teams
and nV
clever wagon
balmy wolf
none of the Western teams has ever come out well from APEX
and everytime they exit APEX
usually there's a heavy rebuild or shuffle going on
and that often lead to ruination
clever portal
They problem is all the changes are planned
balmy wolf
it is not even just that. You heavily underestimate the tolls of having to live with your teammates for weeks to come.
clever wagon
KR teams have the backing of their domestic eSports scene and playing at home
clever wagon
Try having something like APEX in the west and invite KR teams and we'll see
clever portal
Fnatic was a dying team
balmy wolf
Reunited also plunged itself into the abyss
balmy wolf
sure, C9 is pre-planned, and Mendo didn't try to pull a coup against Surefour at all /s
clever wagon
I mean the tiebreaker incident was honestly... whut
red anvil
that was unfortunate af.
clever portal
Mendo Coup LUL
clever wagon
I mean on one side you have that recent article regarding Mendo telling how great he is
balmy wolf
@clever portal you might laugh at it but at least Minstrel has corrobated on it
clever wagon
And on the other you got Winz telling completely 180 about him in the esportsheaven interview
balmy wolf
You kind of have to realize that Mendo is a team jumper
and nobody is a team jumper without reasons
clever wagon
So now we got at least 2 people saying similar things about him
balmy wolf
more like 3
rapid oxide
red anvil
Winz had no respect for Mendo
balmy wolf
I know my source also said that Mendo is undisclipine with his sleep schedule and shit
clever wagon
But would you just lie about a teammate never respecting practice schedule?
it's Winz talking, not xQc
red anvil
Winz litteraly said the same thing, he said he was often 2 hour late for practice
constantly
balmy wolf
basically
wintry matrix
honestly, i woudn't be surprised if they were all lying about Mendo
clever wagon
What lul
wintry matrix
like, to me the chance is 50/50
balmy wolf
eh....there's no smoke without fire
red anvil
i dont see any reason why they would be lying about mendo tbh
winz had nothing bad to say about iddqd
wintry matrix
i know, i just have very little trust
red anvil
none whatsoever
balmy wolf
I'm pretty content believing Surefour when he says there was no coup
Over anyone else saying there was
wintry matrix
could be a million reasons
balmy wolf
Sure, and you trust Hulk when he said he merely not sign with nV again
gotta get over PR talks, people
clever wagon
Well, to take the coup argument seriously in the slightest was pretty idiotic
But the point was there were issues with old C9 as well regarding Mendo
The one thing you can't dodge
clever wagon
He stepped down on his own initiative
clever wagon
He said, at least
They all said "we're just not on the same page" but underneath that who knows
balmy wolf
Personally considering Minstrel has noted it before with his posting, there's more validity to that coup thing, especially plus that with how Mendo has had issues with every teams in the past
I'd wager that has more basis in reality than it actually is.
clever wagon
Not on the same page about strategy? Decisions? Or... Team schedule? ๐ค
balmy wolf
synergy is at least one
clever wagon
That too
balmy wolf
since Surefour has said that Mendo didn't gel well with him
but they trialed him for like a month
so ๐ค
also
๐ฏ Waffletastic ๐ฏ
vague eagle
Heard you were talking shit
clever wagon
Which is too bad since at least on stream Mendo... puts up the decent memer personality
balmy wolf
you have to realize that stream personality can be a stark difference vs real life
clever wagon
I know
balmy wolf
Surefour and Mendo aren't weeb, for once
clever wagon
Which was my point
balmy wolf
they just pretended to be so
and also, why would Silkthread sign CLG?
there probably are better options for him
clever wagon
Ahh yes that other big question
wintry matrix
weird
clever wagon
From "college" to signing CLG
rapid oxide
T W 
balmy wolf
if you read the article he explained that CLG is a credible org with a team and he managed to convince his father
wintry matrix
tho is there other options for him aside from CLG? nvm, that's good reason enough
balmy wolf
hitscan DPS are in demand for teams who looks to upgrade their DPS
but I guess with Waffletastic being un-tastic with his McCree
wintry matrix
i know, but i'd say they are at the high end of tier 2
balmy wolf
"high end"
they are pretty average as far as tier 2 goes
hence all these upgrade
from the original squad
wintry matrix
(if you count IMT, LGE etc. as tier 1, then Rogue and NV as tier S or something)
balmy wolf
honestly, CLG and YIKES are what I called "onliners"
they have their hotstreak
but they never performed well enough consistently
even online
clever wagon
LGE and IMT are the high end onlines
balmy wolf
so they realistically are tier 3
clever wagon
As of now that is
balmy wolf
LG Evil is high tier 3, IMT is tier 2, just because IMT has actually won a LAN
a tier 2 LAN, but a LAN at least
wintry matrix
well, every NA is inconsistent really
clever portal
About the Mendo stuff
clever wagon
Finally we've run out of matches to do off stream 
balmy wolf
you underestimated the web that is The O.W
and how news from one side travel to another
red anvil
that is true but it's the best reference we got
balmy wolf
idk why people choose to believe outside info rather than the person himself saying that it wasnt true
red anvil
before one of his team mates stand up and say he is a great team mate
balmy wolf
meanwhile, CSGO PGL Major is having the offline qualifiers with 80K+ viewers on twitch
@balmy wolf because as the Hulk situation with nV showed, PR talks are everywhere
Yeah okay
clever wagon
Is it really "outside" considering they're all mostly those who have worked with him?
balmy wolf
"second hand"
"third hand"
whatever the word for it, I guess
90K viewers now 
OW esport
Believe them over surefour himself 
clever wagon
Don't worry guys OWL will boost viewership SeemsGood but in 2035 4Head
balmy wolf
Surefour has more to lose if he come out and say that Mendo is a shitter, btw
others, way less
wintry matrix
he could just be silent
balmy wolf
there's a reason why Hulk only said that he got kicked out from nV in flame discord
same reason why Mendo/Surefour denied it
when others has at least corrobated on it.
wintry matrix
and the Hulk thing wasn't to do that the team didn't seem to find him a good fit, like, it wasn't for personal reasons AFAIK
balmy wolf
to quote Hulk who was quoting Cocco, "just business"
clever wagon
It's quite something to imagine Cocco saying it with his usual face
Terrifyingly realistic coming out from him
clever portal
But Hulk literally said he got cut
wintry matrix
that's what i mean, the mendo thing is supposedly ego problems, the NV thing was "just" merciless team composition
clever portal
On podcast he detailed what happened
balmy wolf
and on twitter he said he just didn't sign with nV when contract was up
remember, Ryb and Mendo was supposedly benched because C9 couldn't secure a visa for them fast enough
and then 3 weeks later or so Xepher and Selly come in
wintry matrix
so Ryb pulled a coup too?
balmy wolf
not really
Ryb's reasonings for getting bench was more simple
he couldn't follow B1shop's directions
either he ignored it or couldn't do it. Who knows.
clever portal
I think the coup thing is a bit overblown
Maybe tilted he said some stuff about S4
wintry matrix
honestly i think is pointless to even talk about since is internal thngs
and we all know the scene is full sneks, drama, ego and other bullshit
clever wagon
People amirite 4Head
clever portal
What if Whoru started a coup
balmy wolf
nah, he fucked Gido's gf
clever portal
He read too many twitch memes and started a coup against Esxa
clever wagon
WhereRU
red anvil
Whoru slept with the coachs gf
clever wagon
WhyRU
red anvil
not gidos
rapid oxide
WhoreU
clever wagon
GF? Coach looks old enough to be married for at least 5 years lul
wintry matrix
WhorU low-key cougar bait
balmy wolf
lol
balmy wolf
WhorU indeed 
wintry matrix
pictures of him in other teams kit while sleeping with the coach's wife and gido's gf
balmy wolf
WhoRU to 
rapid oxide
I understand now the towel while he's playing, his hand are wet for all the pussy he got 
Joke askide, knowing KR, it would be for a shitty reason
balmy wolf
don't want Inven to get on LH again
everytime Inven got a reason to get to LH
shit happened
๐ฏ Dean and LTJ ๐ฏ
rapid oxide
Saw LTJ signed in Overwatch Open in KR
But prob he's doing that just to keep himself busy
He's very famous as streamer tho
Btw i was looking at quake brackets and luckily Rapha, Dahang n co aren't signed unless they got under my radar 
Slasher isn't signed and we lost COOLLER
balmy wolf
I mean
Rapha, Dahang, ID is going to play
under the flag of 
why would they get sign? ๐ค
rapid oxide
They have to if they want to qualify
Even Cypher did the qualifiers
Just because you are a quake pro doesn't mean you have a free pass
clever wagon
@rapid oxide I understand now the towel while he's playing, his hand are wet for all the pussy he got :zaryalol:
Fuck
balmy wolf
needs to finish their Contenders match first
wintry matrix
LH core is so strong that you can say that
clever portal
Yeah for a lot of teams the core is so good
For example NV without Hulk
It was an upgrade
Now imagine if you switched Thiccmou with tviq 
wintry matrix
i wouldn't say it was necessarily upgrade, more like hero pool problems
Hulk was a good winston right? besides i could see him becoming a good coach
clever portal
Do you mean wouldn't
wary falcon
4-0?
clever wagon
clever portal
@wary falcon any bets on the game?
clever portal
Living the good life I see
wary falcon
I had a good day with Dota TI quals yesterday
wary falcon
Nope, i think they were heavily underrated
- you know
time to watch Airhan slash some air?
toxic yacht
Airhan was especially amazing today
balmy wolf
Time to watch ArHaN die to Tobi 4 times during blade
toxic yacht
He used an entire ult on dva and missed a slash
wary falcon
It's perphaps my biggest no-no in OW betting
Arhan
oh second one, first one is Cooller
wary falcon
Still didn't expect 4-0
balmy wolf
After watching though, ArHaN does get blades pretty damn fast
balmy wolf
Even if theyend up being pretty bad
wary falcon
He is fastest genji in the world
toxic yacht
Arhan is really good outside of blades
wary falcon
Bad thing that genji is ult-bot
toxic yacht
Yep
clever portal
It's not ArHan's problem to be honest
Just when you blade you instantly get discorded
Lucio will boop
And probably DVa will fly boop
wary falcon
But he misses swings not because of enemies
clever portal
And Zen/Lucio is double support ults
Against Genji
Either one works
I didn't see any accuracy problems with the blade
Just LH were ready each time
wary falcon
Everytime when i watch his gameplay
clever wagon
Uhh Hanamura?
clever wagon
That
balmy wolf
was pretty fucking garbage
Like even I could have killed at least one of the supports there
clever portal
I think on the launcher you select region
clever wagon
VPN
rapid oxide
balmy wolf
@rapid oxide and it told us nothing
rapid oxide
obviously
same as Ocelote from G2
"it could be succesfull or maybe not, who knows"
sick interview
wintry matrix
RNG looked pretty dominating, could be good
rapid oxide
Please don't call me toxic
tune 10 second to xQc stream
teabagging a player
typing "ur trash"
balmy wolf
I'd rather RNG vs FNRGFE
idc about Evil or Kungarna, Liquid vs EnVision should be stomp, IMT vs FaZe is pretty good but I'd rather see FNRGFE and RNG play than IMT and FaZe
clever portal
Liquid vs Envision should be a stomp?
I think Liquid does better against top teams
They're the kind of team that has a 50/50 chance regardless of what team they face
T1 or T5
balmy wolf
Thats been liquid up until this point
Now they're bootcamping with Fury and Shadder
and hulk as coach
I highly doubt they will lose to EnVision after their stellar performance in groups
balmy wolf
idk
toxic yacht
finally
vestal mortar
Awww yus
toxic yacht
also, what did I say about sombra being broken months ago?
๐
called it that emp was broken af the moment she was revealed
also called it how countering her without running your own sombra is ๐ค
clever portal
Get ready for Sombra 80% pick rate
rapid oxide
shut up sojum
rapid oxide
boop
toxic yacht
boop
vestal mortar
beep
balmy wolf
@clever portal Fury is only a sub for now. This is his trial though
Well he is a sub but has been playing in place for ID since the announcement
He will have to go back to KR after this.
Since the team needs to get his visa sort out if they want to get him permanently
clever portal
Stupid rule
You should have at most 3 people
Atleast koreans understand sportsmanship
Going to be fun watching some stomps
balmy wolf
lol
toxic yacht
it's fine for smaller countries imo
but apart from that, I'd also be in favor of a max 3 rule
balmy wolf
all of the three members of the KR committee chose their players based on their performance in APEX, so in their opinion this combination is the best
they didn't do it for "sportsmanship".
They used the most competitive league in the planet at the moment as the basis of their team
you'd be fool to think that the only country that tried hard last World Cup didn't do the same thing this time around
hell, they could have send the whole LH squad and almost no one would be against it because a. everyone loves LH and b. because they are small country
toxic yacht
small country with masssive talent pool
so that "small country" bit kinda doesn't go there
gusty notch
they'd still be dicks if they did it
balmy wolf
eh, not really
r/compow would be all over team KR if they send LH
thus it is the double standard of today's esport.
red anvil
well would be all over LH today, would have slaughtered the idea yesterday
balmy wolf
it is just an excuse for the "KR is the overlord of esport" thing to flare up again
meanwhile nobody even mention about DOTA2 or CSGO so
Well if the players on that team are the best players in your country
like in the case of australia and taiwan
and france
Even if France didn't send Rogue
their roster would still be a scary one
balmy wolf
what about the UK and its 3 genji mains
SuperPlouk, Hidan, Kryw, The Rogue squad. Pick your poison, the rest of the world.
toxic yacht
the fact that rogue seems incapable of playing anything outside of triple dps also seems like a massive thing that could bite them in the ass
balmy wolf
There's also the players from Bonjour and Melty
toxic yacht
like, if you wanna argue that soon and akm are the best french hitscan players
balmy wolf
mind you, Rogue did showed other comp during Takeover 2
balmy wolf
right now though, everyone is diving
balmy wolf
Oh yeah GO too
toxic yacht
if it doesn't look too different, it's a gg ez win for rogue
balmy wolf
damn france really is stacked as fuck
toxic yacht
iceblock.gg too
balmy wolf
At least through to the qualifier baring any insane balance changes, the meta will probably stay roughly the same. Sprinkling some Reaper and Sombra
toxic yacht
pretty stacked roster
balmy wolf
well reign already listed the 3 best players on that roster
toxic yacht
but yeah, I honestly don't agree with rogue being the best on each of their roles
unkoe, akm and soon
sure
balmy wolf
and the rest are from bonjour
Rogue's groups are weak, so it is almost certain that they are going to Blizzcon
and between there and Blizzcon
there's Contenders S1
If all the Rogue players weren't a team
so there's more time to see how the meta develops
Then yeah, I would pick a different tank flex and second support
balmy wolf
not picking Unkoee is kind of dumb, as good as Hidan is
toxic yacht
unkoe is like the better version of hidan
balmy wolf
Hidan is good enough to do like 80% of what Unkoee does
toxic yacht
they're both fantastic, but unkoe is like
balmy wolf
which is more than anyone can say
toxic yacht
ya
the only issue I see is the lack of a dedicated projectile guy
SoOn's genji is probably garbage by now
balmy wolf
Kryw? Hello?
toxic yacht
I was thinking in 2-2-2, lul
as it stands, yee, kryw would work pretty well
but you say, want to run a dive with dv, winston, tracer and genji you'd put kryw on genji and akm on dva or what?
like, the roles seem to be in weird places
although they technically exist
balmy wolf
AKM and Soon's hero pool overlapped with each other
so probably NicoGDH?
there's probably a good French offtank somewhere
toxic yacht
kinda sad that you'd end up dropping aKm or soon under those circumstances
they're fantastic, but they play the same heroes
tbh I'd rather drop soon than akm
balmy wolf
Yeah now thinking about it more in depth
SoOn is a very good player
But honestly, he's only a better tracer and possibly reaper
than aKm
balmy wolf
so drop him for nico
you cant run triple dps, unless you want to pharmercy
but 2-2-2 with aKm on tracer, nico on genji, kryw on d.va, unkoe zen and knoxxx/kabal lucio
pretty fucking good
oh and plouk
toxic yacht
oh yeah, plouk for the main tank
toxic yacht
I actually wonder how good aKm's tracer really is. he looked solid the few times I saw him on it, but there is a reason why they put tviq on tracer
not sure if it's because tviq's tracer is just that damn good
or wot
toxic yacht
because tviq is an excellent tracer
balmy wolf
so Dahun is completely off the team
๐ค
"After their performance in Contenders Season Zero, Dahun reportedly wanted to move into a coaching position for the team. Though the majority of the players were happy with that shift in roles, one was not, apparently leading to the split."
so, who is this "one"
toxic yacht
rip
gusty notch
Ima guess ginger 
toxic yacht
the game where ginger got focused so hard on mercy tilted the fuck out of him
blamed dahun for not protecting him
and now wanted him off the team
Gingerpop?
more like
Gingersnek
thick cosmos
Vivi's adventures support player left again feelsbadman
balmy wolf
their Inven fans?
clever wagon
Timo as a pro also said playing other games are means of refreshing
supple nymph
it would be amazing if they did pubg as an esport
clever wagon
It just makes sense, you already scrim and do tourneys for OW anyway. Outside of that is probably ranked but that's more or less a subjective need
Those types of fanboy/girls are just really stupid sometimes
gusty notch
playing ranked is pretty neccessary
supple nymph
dummy doesnt play ranked
gusty notch
supple nymph
gusty notch
HELP
supple nymph
<@&172950000412655616> help me
gusty notch
not even futa SMH
balmy wolf
wat
quartz wren
@balmy wolf there was some NSFW image spam here
supple nymph
thanks
feral solar
aw i missed it
clever wagon
ARGH
supple nymph
There was a post on the Competitive Overwatch subreddit (which is actually a pretty good discussion forum unlike many subreddits) explaining that Envision, one of the teams in the Top 8 of NA Contenders, is playing with Jaru for the Quarterfinals.
The problem? Jaru has already competed in NA Contenders with a different team. I thought it might just be an oversight, but in just 15 minutes of checking, I was able to find 3 separate occurrences of players playing for two different teams in Contenders.
For those who canโt see the above screencap, the official ruleset for Overwatch Contenders, Section 3.1 states:
โThe Tournament is a regionally based, online, competition, where teams play the PC version of Overwatch that are comprised of up to nine (9) Overwatch players, each of whom must be an Eligible Participant, and each of which sign up for the Tournament as part of a team (โTeam(s)โ). None of the Team members may be associated with more than one Team in this Tournament.โ
why is he wrong?
someone tell me
limber pine
exempt because TO isn't in the playoffs?
clever portal
According to the rules he's right
Atleast for cyclones they were still in the group stage
Blizzard is just being lax
As they should be
Teams are changing a lot
gusty notch
owl 
clever portal
Lul
They lied already "Q3 2017"
But there's no way that's possible
OWL going to be announced at Blizzcon at earliest
limber pine
cyclowns was a bit different because the team had completely disbanded
i thought
oh no they disbanded after they lost members
hmm
solid spear
I didnt even click it but its a Mercy main he gets a pass
clever wagon
[EeveeA] stopped playing Overwatch
Eh, that medium article
Timo obviously has his concerns over the scene but to take "shithole" that seriously is just... What
wintry matrix
i do wonder why he didn't go CSGO, tho i don't know much about the scene or if it's easy to enter
balmy wolf
he has a TF2 history
clever wagon
I mean with all the LANs third party organizers were having in 2016 I don't know, I don't think you can deny Overwatch looked good. That too
wintry matrix
he said he only enjoyed s1 meta, but i guess that makes sense
clever wagon
It's only since early 2017 everything started showing symptoms too
Where you can probably consider it as already too deep into the scene
Too deep, but not yet at the point where anybody had any idea that everything and everyone would get fucked this hard
wintry matrix
tbh of all esports decisions that only one that i disagreed hard was with that period with very little tourneys or things like OMM ending
i just wanted to hear the reasoning behind it, seems so weird
limber pine
are these EU OWC times right?
clever wagon
I mean fuck, Atlantic Showdown, APAC, APEX, DreamHack, ESL... Quite a lot of big names chiming into the scene
limber pine
it says finals won't start until 3 AM sunday?
supple nymph
3 am german time?
clever wagon
And then it's 2017 outta nowhere
limber pine
I'm EDT
clever wagon
And then there's also Contenders playoffs
wintry matrix
Dreamhack still there isn't? apex too, esl is layoffs
clever wagon
We're down to 4 fucking games and they still don't stream it all
DreamHack took their hands off of Overwatch last I heard, so to speak
supple nymph
oh wait
clever wagon
They should be working with third party tournament organizers to put Overwatch tournaments at their events. They should have another circuit similar to Contenders, but with an element of intraregionalism. They should definitely go further to enforce their own rules. And they should definitely be more transparent with players on the process.
wintry matrix
i thought there was an upcoming dreamhack tournament
clever wagon
Those third party organizers voluntarily gave their hand in the first year yet Blizz barely supported it actively
wintry matrix
Valencia i think was the name
supple nymph
it didn't seem like there was a lot of growth in the endemic tournaments; sure there were lots of them but they hardly got any viewers
i think the game needs more esports focus in development
until they do that they can push as hard as they want i dunno how they will get people interested
clever wagon
No, no, no can do. We want to balance the game for all playerbase
supple nymph
yea with the roadhog and mercy stuff it seems like dev is not on the same page as the rest of blizz
balancing the game for silvers is not gonna help
clever wagon
Our official forums are the best place for discussions, pros and pro analysis are of no use to us
supple nymph
do they really think the game needs more highlights everywhere
i dont understand that move at all
clever wagon
Say what chu want in denial but it honestly looks that way to an outsider
I implore Blizzard, and all developers, to not forget the most important aspect of your plans for esportsโโโyour players who give up their lives to play your awesome games.
Good words falling on deaf ears
A fuck ton of people voluntarily threw their hands into OW in 2016
Hardly a news for r/cow FailFish
clever wagon
Does EMP block Zen's Trans healing on teammates?
clever wagon
Well, Surefour's plat chat
I already guessed as much
EMP aint a heal block like Ana's nade
Therefore it doesn't block normal healing
Lucio's is a temporary shield thus it doesn't count as healing
Hence EMP works
But hm
A not-EMP'd Lucio ulting on EMP'd teammates
Does that still work?
๐ค
balmy wolf
it is a game of flexible players vs one tricks
rapid oxide
balmy wolf
??
balmy wolf
great. I just want a full KR team this time around. Inviting a NA/EU team is going to be a PITA when all of them are going to commit to Contenders
balmy wolf
Unless of course nV go mad again and go back to KR
at this rate though
who are you going to invite back?
Immortals?
eUnited?
both will be busy with Conteders S1
or
solid spear
balmy wolf
talk about Arhan
was watching LH vs AF Blue
only first two maps
but god does Arhan and Recry got absolutely no value out of their ults
it was literally plat tier ult
WHY WOULD YOU VISOR INTO A D.VA AND A TRANSENDENCE
and Arhan as per usual commit into a blade, kill one, and turn around to see his whole team get demolished
rapid oxide
but.. But... Winston Lab predicted 84% win on AFB
toxic yacht
I only stomp Tier 2 Ask Lunatic Hai it's true Did you already get the clue Goddamn you're right, I'm AF Blue
clever portal
There's discord copypasta now?
@clever wagon yes you can barrier team mates if you're not EMP'd
Lucio gives shields, Sombra EMP takes away all shields
worthy mango
vestal mortar
@worthy mango I think you're looking for #lf-players-na
clever portal
So will Blank have more luck today?
Under normal rules they would have been eliminated already
clever portal
1-0 Blank 
clever portal
Really close game
Which is good
I'm hoping FW wins
A third Bo7 would be insane
forest raven
Blank would need to win for it to go to a third bo7
meager palm
Omg reaper so Savage now
toxic yacht
๐ Blank ๐
knotty acorn
I'll be sure to roast the FullCircle production crew
clever portal
This is the only tournament which does that zooming stuff lmao
Blank fat fingering ults
They use them 5 seconds before they should
rapid oxide
knotty acorn
I've never seen a team get locked in like that
Gunba and IEatUUp were out of 2 straight fights
Pixie is PISSED
knotty acorn
I know, but it's FW turn to pick
toxic yacht
hek
knotty acorn
I just want more games tomorrow
But after that performance, I don't have a lot of confidence in the boys sadly
rapid oxide
Rest in peace in peace 
knotty acorn
WE NEED TO GO DEEPER
wary falcon
I thought eUnited - Raiders is first match today
over.gg shows that 123 and Misfits matches are live atm
toxic yacht
same
rapid oxide
will win tho
too inconsistent (imo), no coach, not very good on dive
Na 
100% on finals, other is or or 
knotty acorn
Wait, is this contenders or PGL? ๐
rapid oxide
PGL LUL
NA CS LUL
SK, Astralis, Vip and Faze will be dominant anyway. Pointless to watch qualifiers
Match point on OPC 
rapid oxide
One of the best esport office in the world 
knotty acorn
I'm so disappointed
balmy wolf
tbf, i understand their reasonings
BUT
people has been spoiled by broadcast that went on for hours
and has like 6 games per days
hence the rage
clever portal
Puppies and 123
rapid oxide
Not surprised by 123
forest raven
Next season will have every game streamed
rapid oxide
forest raven
rapid oxide
rapid oxide
Yes mb
wary falcon
Dominant Virtus Pro?
rapid oxide
50/50
wary falcon
it's not 2014
rapid oxide
More than nip for sure
knotty acorn
VIRTUS PREMIER*
knotty acorn
That's sweet, I rate Penta
wary falcon
can't wait to see weakest player of major, my boy kRYSTAL
rapid oxide
idc about csgo anyway
knotty acorn
Vega Squadron is too... And I can't wait to make ALL the references to Jim Ross
Because one of their players is called JR
rapid oxide
SK will win as always 
wary falcon
Vega is tier-1,5 player + 4
rapid oxide
wary falcon
i swear 4 cheaters + fox will lose major
balmy wolf
and yet SK credited Fox
wary falcon
because fox is a nice guy
SK changed their CT side from passive to agressive due to +felps -fnx
before the change only fer was pushing
rapid oxide
Ill watch final only anyway
wary falcon
ะฟgonna watch every single match as always
rapid oxide
Matches last too long for my taste
But i watch all the major finals of every esport
Except RL, can't watch that "game"
...
toxic yacht
fuck
rapid oxide
balmy wolf
Misfits is the new it seems
rapid oxide
But inside I'm
balmy wolf
BO5, yes
rapid oxide
There's still hope
balmy wolf
there's seems to be no rhymr or reason why Misfits either roll through people or getting roll
๐ค
toxic yacht
got stomped on nepal, gibraltar was close
third map is unknown rn
both got held in shuttle
wait, oops
misfits got held in shuttle
BP during last
balmy wolf
anything on RIP?
rapid oxide
Still losing 1 0
toxic yacht
rip
rapid oxide
lmao
balmy wolf
and r/GlobalOffensive told me that Mousesports got better after NiKo
rapid oxide
North vs Chief esport
toxic yacht
misfits is probably gonna win map 3
rapid oxide
๐
toxic yacht
anubis and hanamura are in the map pool iirc
rapid oxide
NiP too 
forest raven
Wish it was double elim
balmy wolf
rapid oxide
toxic yacht
single elim is cancer
lul
but why expect anything decent from blizz?
every tournament that they've had a hand in has round robin groups and single elim playoffs
balmy wolf
its just for seeding and prize money
rapid oxide
APEX doesn't have it tho
toxic yacht
well, apex does it's own thing
blizzard let's them do what they want and even gives them a tournament realm
because blizz sucks korean dick
balmy wolf
Round robin group, RO8 double elims, and RO4 single elims
toxic yacht
they had single elim in s1 though
crisp lynx
123 vs eUnited final coming
rapid oxide
Chokefits
balmy wolf
Mistakes 
rapid oxide
balmy wolf
Misfits went from drawing LH in IEM to this 
toxic yacht
world cup also had and still has single elim
because single elim is so much fun
amiright
haha
balmy wolf
Mistakes and Snillo best dps duo confirmed
rapid oxide
Not Really Good, Citizen 0-7
toxic yacht
reminder that rogue wouldn't have beaten envy during the atlantic showdown if it weren't for double elim
and that envyus would likely have taken the whole thing
toxic yacht
also, LH wouldn't have won apex s2
balmy wolf
@limber pine they said that these two will go back for playoff
clever portal
Some discords have score bots
limber pine
TIL