esports-discussion

[toxic yacht]

monty bby

[wintry matrix]

tho i dunno how much enforcing a clan system for ranked would work

[rapid oxide]

Well, monty comes from lol

[worn cargo]

It wouldn't

[balmy wolf]

the problem with clan SR is that OW tried to make it only 6 stack and people hated it

[rapid oxide]

I guess he eill give good insight

[pine star]

I want Monte and Doa on lan analyzing a fucking floating hologram of Dorado

[worn cargo]

only 6 stack would blow ass

[balmy wolf]

and let's face it, people are idiots and you don't want to 6 stack with your RL friends

unless you want to be the next Dafran

[wintry matrix]

not necessarily 6 stack, could be 3, 4 or 2

[rapid oxide]

I want to

[balmy wolf]

it will fragmented the base

[rapid oxide]

Just the aim part lul

[wintry matrix]

and maybe the win gives a fixed amount of SR to the clan

[solid spear]

Dad

[balmy wolf]

making the SR gain and loss a flat 30 or 25 would go a long way to prevent abuses like the Mercy rez

[toxic yacht]

doesn't HOTS have something like that?

@trim trellis

[wintry matrix]

on example: two guys from clan grep stack with 4 guys from clan i'm dunk

they win, both gain the same amount to the clan, same with losing

[worn cargo]

I don't think it should be flat -- I still think point adjustments for personal performance should be a thing

[balmy wolf]

nah

[worn cargo]

Just tune it

[wintry matrix]

that's thing, it's pretty hard to tune it accurately

[rapid oxide]

Imo they shouldn't show the numbers

[balmy wolf]

@worn cargo like I point out earlier, SR uses stats to track SR gain and losses, but also wants people to switch heroes for adaptation. And guess what will be detrimented when you switch?

[toxic yacht]

just use the current system without personal performance

[wintry matrix]

especially when some plays can't be quantified in nmbers

[toxic yacht]

and we'd be good

[rapid oxide]

It leads to a lot of toxicity

Just give us tiers

Diamond 1,2,3 Master 1,2,3 etc..

[balmy wolf]

or your Mercy deliberately holding their rez in because they want those 5 men rez for some delicious SR gain

🔫

[wintry matrix]

the same with Lucios only healing (tho i guess that leads more to a defeat)

[worn cargo]

Right, but you have NO idea how their algorithm works. It could aggregate all your stats, assign a point value to each, and use that. The point values might be slightly skewed, or the personal performance modifier might be fuck

[balmy wolf]

meanwhile Ana is arguably the worst hero that got hit by this bullshit because her impact are less stats and more actual gameplay, on top of being a very highly demanding character.

@worn cargo you missed when they outlined how their algorithm works

[worn cargo]

Must have

[balmy wolf]

it is essentially compare your stats to the best player-wise

and scale your SR from there

which explains why the higher amount of rez, the better for the Mercy to achieve more gains and less losses

meanwhile Ana's hard stats are just elims/death, healing amounts, and that's it

[worn cargo]

So what, just tune the amounts that mercy gets

[wintry matrix]

don't they track sleeps accuracy and nades? edit: nvm

[worn cargo]

Cause the argument for why this system is fucked is primarily bad Mercy OTP's in GM right?

[balmy wolf]

yeah, but you can hit like 10 different sleeps and none of them could be impactful

same with nades

meanwhile rez's impactful is immediate

which is 🔫

[wintry matrix]

well, is the exploit used rn

[worn cargo]

Not always

[balmy wolf]

@worn cargo it apply to almost all OTPs

because that's the stat exploitation part of it

Sombra, Torbs, Bastion mains can get decent SR gain and losses just by playing niche characters

because statistic wise there aren't many players playing them

[wintry matrix]

tho you could argue that playing a hero that's less picked is going against the meta, which kinda implies is maybe harder to win with that hero? or with low win percentage

[balmy wolf]

so it is relatively easy to get an above average stat

and thus above average SR gain losses

harder to win doesn't mean that you force the whole team to play around your sorry asses

[wintry matrix]

no, i agree with that, just throwing an argument about the system

[balmy wolf]

the other day of course someone tried to argue that Mercy is the best "burst healer with a beam"

which make me want to 🔫 myself

[wintry matrix]

the beam burst out of the staff

[worn cargo]

Meh

I just don't think a strict "you get +/- X SR for a win/loss" system is fair to the player, as OW relies on team cooperation to win/lose. Hots uses a similar personal performance system and it's not a cesspool of 1-tricks

Usually

[balmy wolf]

but yet one of the most successful esport does it

[worn cargo]

League?

Their solo-q system is MUCH more robust though, afaik you can select your "preferred role" when you queue up

[wintry matrix]

maybe in mobas OTP can't do well at all due to how the game works

[worn cargo]

OTP's in moba's don't typically survive cause it's 1 hero per game, and there's a draft

[balmy wolf]

I found it curious that the competitive scene loathe OW for the limited carry potential but at the same love certain buffs/nerfs because you can't carry as hard as certain character

and also, strict SR win and loss will bypass the stat exploitation part

OW is ultimately a game with an intergral part about adaptation and hero switching

so why are you punish people for changing?

Changing frequently will make people's stat tanked

[worn cargo]

I don't think you punish people for changing...

Cite your source that it takes your average/match -- I've done some reading

[balmy wolf]

but yet that's the ultimately the result of having SR based on statistic.

the more you change, the less stats you are going to accumulates per game.

[worn cargo]

And they never outright said how their "personal SR adjustment" worked, or what it accounted for

[clever portal]

I think it looks at intervals

[wintry matrix]

i dunno, more strict SR can do that, but on the other hand, maybe it would feel like you aren't progressing?

[clever portal]

For example new patch says stats are recorded in 10 minute intervals

[worn cargo]

There's a lot of people in higher ranks who get there by flexing

[balmy wolf]

and they grinded like 200+ games

and most are pros

usually their win rate is above 50%, and significantly so

but OTPs and Mercy can have an abysmal below 40% win rate and still at GM

because of reasons

[worn cargo]

Okay, so that's an issue, but that's more of an exploitation of personal stats, not being punished for switching. Do you see the distinction?

You're making it sound like flexing is the reason someone can't climb

[balmy wolf]

it is not the first goal of the SR system, but it is a consequence of the SR system being stat-dependent

why is someone who is flexing to meet the needs of the team getting less SR than some selfish one trick pony who force the team to play around him or her?

what's the reason for what?

[trim trellis]

@toxic yacht have what

[balmy wolf]

flexing to climb is one of the more common parroted advice but if you get right down to it if you want to climb, fucking instalock Mercy and grind it out for like weeks

[toxic yacht]

people talked about some team matchmaking shit

for ow

[balmy wolf]

and you will get your fucking GM badge in no time.

[toxic yacht]

with team SR, etc

iirc hots has something similar

[wary falcon]

You don't need to be a nice person and be a teamplayer

No need teamplay

Just spam soldier-87

[trim trellis]

ye you can solo or duo/trio/5 stack

[toxic yacht]

ah, sanykou

[trim trellis]

so you'll either face a 2 and 3 stack or a full team

[red anvil]

dont seem like that australian sixstack have managed to stay on top this season though?

[balmy wolf]

they are staying on top

and signed to a pro team

[toxic yacht]

if I were cantus I'd be scrimming for the world cup

[balmy wolf]

and cantus is on NZ WC team

[toxic yacht]

not getting to rank 1

[balmy wolf]

locked in a cage vs BGH, Flash Wolves, and team USA

[toxic yacht]

rip

lol

[balmy wolf]

I'm looking forward for him getting meme'd on

[clever portal]

Really surprised no Australian teams made it to OPC qualifiers

It's all korean/taiwanese

[wary falcon]

oi oi oi

[balmy wolf]

Australia scene is a bit of a mess

due to how small it is

Blank eSport is the only one that is getting exposure and they scrimmed vs LH on 100 pings

meanwhile Mastermind GC the team that has Cantus on won a local LAN

and somehow they ranked number 2 in the Oceanic region in over.gg rankings

over Blank.

[clever portal]

The NZ Rogue

[wintry matrix]

i know he exploited the SR, but is cantus really terrible?

[balmy wolf]

no clue.

his team won a regional LAN

[wintry matrix]

i know one of the BR-6 stack at 5am, he's a decent pro player

[wary falcon]

without competition

don't expect much from him

[balmy wolf]

easy to looks good vs shit competition though

[wintry matrix]

hell, AFAIK lots of pros could be exploiting

[balmy wolf]

cough LG Evil in group B cough

[clever portal]

Even Blank, the AU god team, is probably Apex Challengers level

[wary falcon]

you are overrating Blank

[balmy wolf]

which is actually not that bad when you think about it

Asia Pacific region is underrated

it just needs to hold more cross continent matches and tournaments

to foster the scene more

[clever portal]

OPC is a good start

I would like some Asian tournament

Apex Vs OPC Vs Chinese

We all know who would win

But would be fun

You could always use it to compare Oceania and China's strength

[pine star]

Overwatch Rivals East

[rapid oxide]

iirc China scrim with kr

so idk how bad they could be

[balmy wolf]

KR teams usually scrims with Chinese teams to hide strats

one must wonder where Kyky got his scrims though

🤔

[pine star]

EnVy scrimming NA teams confirmed

[balmy wolf]

this weekend's playoff will be fun

[rapid oxide]

going back being mediocre

[balmy wolf]

Rogue vs Envy with EFFECT is going to be interesting to watch

Envy should be content with them being THE luckiest team in the world right now though

they dominate in patches, and this is the first time they plays arguably well even in an unfavorable patch

[rapid oxide]

VA Actors using a katana 16,5k

OWL Post 450

[balmy wolf]

Quake World Championship prize pot being 1 millions, first place for duel is 100K, and first place for Sacrifice is 300K

basically even a newborn esport can have a better pot than a fucking OW Major

[rapid oxide]

uff...

[balmy wolf]

still waiting for OW Open 2

NA qualifier + EU qualifier + Asia Pacific qualifier + KR qualifier

500K in pot

even Street Fighter tourny have 250K in prize pot

meanwhile OW Contenders S0 prize pot is 50K, S1 is 100K

[pure kettle]

with team buy ins for the majors being millions

😏

[lost sand]

What is everyone favorite player

[rapid oxide]

if blizzard wanted, they could x10 the prizepool of quake

[lost sand]

Who is ur favorite player

[pure kettle]

how big is the WoW Arena pool usually?

[rapid oxide]

idk

but HOTS poolprize was 1m at blizzcon

and if they gave it for HOTS...

dont ya worry too much about prizepool

[pure kettle]

14,15,16 Blizzcon for WoW were 250k

[balmy wolf]

https://www.esportsearnings.com/games/165-world-of-warcraft

[pure kettle]

-.-

[balmy wolf]

250K

[rapid oxide]

when owl are talking about milions

[balmy wolf]

I just want OW Open 2 dammit

[rapid oxide]

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/2016_Heroes_of_the_Storm_Global_Championship/Fall

1m

[balmy wolf]

or even just OW_Summit

[rapid oxide]

we had ow summit

[clever portal]

Was OW Open Blizzard?

[rapid oxide]

i've to admit that blizz is a little bit kek

HS and HOTS 1m

OWC 75k lul

[pure kettle]

OWC 75k when teams are actively pulling out

and tons of ppl are complaining

[clever portal]

HoTS already has a league and everything

[balmy wolf]

50K, mate

<_>

[clever portal]

Expect 1 mil once we get a league

[pure kettle]

if only everyone had just went along with blizzards plans and never complained we'd have a bigger prize pool

right?

thats how that works right?

😄

[balmy wolf]

@clever portal nope

it was Eleague

[clever portal]

Blizzard just needs to give Eleague/ESL/Dreamhack some confidence

Even consistent 100k LANs would be massive

Forget 1 million

[rapid oxide]

problem with 3rd part event

that despite being succesfull a game they can decide to dont host it

atleast with blizzard you are sure to have it

[balmy wolf]

ESL wanted to host a tournament

and it stuck in limbo forever

even Jason was throwing his hands up when I asked him about it

Dreamhack is like "let me see how this fucking things pan out"

[rapid oxide]

reasonable

[balmy wolf]

Eleague is just indifferent, and next season they are going back to CSGO

after a season of Street Fighter

[rapid oxide]

it has more views than street fighter

so it's reasonable too

OW Open btw got almost the same views of CSGO on Turner TV

before the Major ofc

[balmy wolf]

higher ratings

[rapid oxide]

without bets csgo will be bottom tier esport

belive me

literally everyone, if not more than half, bet skin on csgo

and they watch it just to be sure if they won or not

[balmy wolf]

OW betting is already a reality

[rapid oxide]

lol

[balmy wolf]

lootboxes, they certain can do things with it

as long as it sounds "un exploitative"

[rapid oxide]

OW betting is a reality?

im not talking about real betting but skin betting

where literally even a 14 yo kid can bet skins

the pro is that you are even more "passionate" if a team is losing or winning

but its faked because of the money you are betting

yes, you can "bet" on OW too but who seriously bet on OW can be counted with one hand tbh

[balmy wolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX_aOWBIMww

lul

reading the OWL thread in r.Overwatch gave me anerysms

[pure kettle]

that sounds fun.

[balmy wolf]

especially at people who demands that console OW esports needs to happen

dude, PC isn't even getting a sneeze at it

how do you think console will get a share?

and then there's this

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/6jujxb/an_update_from_the_overwatch_league_commissioner/djhltn7/

"Console players are not less skilled or Inferior. This information is incorrect and you are part of the problem by spreading this bold faced lie.
Stop spreading this falsehood"

[wintry matrix]

i think you should stop nitpicking posts on reddit, will do better for your health

[pure kettle]

I was planning on hitting my head agaisnt the wall tonight but I guess this saves me the pain and still provides the loss of brain cells.

😄

[wintry matrix]

although judging the statement in a vacuum, it ain't wrong, at least the first part

[balmy wolf]

try play OW on PC with a console controller

[pure kettle]

its aids

so much aids, i have a buddy that refuses to use kb/m

the jumps are horrifying

[balmy wolf]

playing on a controller with aim assist is nowhere near as percise as KB/mouse

[wintry matrix]

but that's thing, i don't think pc should compare to console, they're different things

i played FPS on console, and i like some

[pure kettle]

i mean are they really different thou?

realistically the only difference is, its frowned upon to use a kb/m on console

lol

[wintry matrix]

just the controller makes a huge difference

[balmy wolf]

and a lot, if not all of the top 500 on console use mouse/keyboard

so you know

good luck with console esport when all of your top players use mouse/keyboard anyway

[wintry matrix]

ain't there a lag because of the adapter? i remember left guy/zp talking about that

well, if there was a lan

[balmy wolf]

yeah, but the lag is a good trade off when you can get fine control vs someone with controller and aim assist

0.7 ms or something

[wintry matrix]

i'm not saying console esports will be successful, i was just speaking to the statement "console players are inferior"

[balmy wolf]

if SDB can get used to 150 pings then 0.7ms trade off is literally nothing in the scheme of things.

i mean shooter in console mechanically is inferior to PC shooter

because of aim assists, simplified controls, etc etc

so it stands to reason that OW console is a much dumb down product

do you want to play in a platform where Pharmercy reigns supreme because no one can aim?

[wintry matrix]

i think that's because the balance on console is worse

i'm just saying that comparing one to the other in these terms isn't accurate because they're different beasts, that's all

i know that OW was initially only PC

[balmy wolf]

balancing on console is non existent simply because patches needs to be approve by Sony/Microsoft, and it would just add money to the development process

[wintry matrix]

that, certification takes a while

[balmy wolf]

and let's face it, console OW is literally just a way for Blizzard to get some more money and inflates their 30 millions sales figures

[wintry matrix]

i mean, isn't that also for anything ever?

[balmy wolf]

so console OW esport

maybe COD?

or Halo?

Gears of War?

basically console exclusives

[wintry matrix]

as in with the intent of making money

i'm no game developer, i don't know their reasoning for not bringing to pc

(prob exclusity contract money)

but if they see they could profit from being multi-platform, don't think they wouldn't

[clever portal]

Because people on PC wouldn't care

[wintry matrix]

although porting can be expensive

[clever portal]

There's a PC cod

Even if it was properly optimised , people wouldn't care

[wintry matrix]

does COD sell bad on Pc?

[clever portal]

Non existent sales on pc

Meanwhile console will have 10+ million

TBH cod aim would be insane on overwatch

For example if they made the aim assist like cod on console

Don't think you could run pharah

I think on PC people play other fps

Cs, arma

Also console has easy sales

People will buy those $60 copies

Don't think cod have the motivation to go big on pc

[rapid oxide]

it had

but activision decide to kill the promod

and killed pc competitive too

[clever portal]

Cod 4 right?

[clever wagon]

Console OW eSports

[clever portal]

I guess they stopped caring when they got $1 billion a year for releasing basically DLC for the same game

CoD has more LANs than Overwatch 4Head

[rapid oxide]

yes COD4

[clever portal]

Console esports: Monthy 100k LAN

Overwatch: If you're lucky you'll get a 5k online tournament

Cod 4

[wintry matrix]

doesn't the bulk of the money come from sponsors anyway?

[solid spear]

Theres also the entire FGC which is all console

And they get better viewership than OW too

[wintry matrix]

well, Fighting games are more stablished

[clever wagon]

Those dumbfucks EVPayne and King-Tacqitos might as well be considered smurf accounts

Banning someone for being a dumb motherfucking troll and smurfing should be valid at this point

[wintry matrix]

what did they do?

[clever wagon]

Just read their replies in that thread on r/ow

Provided no meaningful discussion, no sources, misinformation that's worth blasting their heads off

[wintry matrix]

i'm not in the mood for reddit drama abd bullshit/complaning about reddit, got enough of that at law school

[clever wagon]

Not even a good troll

You asked

[wintry matrix]

i just don't see the point of complaining about someone being wrong, most you can do is try to reason in a reply and if it's truly toxic/misinformation then just downvote, correcting in a reply or something

like, that happens here so often

[toxic yacht]

You're always so posititve

[wintry matrix]

i just try to enjoy/not stress the most i can

[clever wagon]

Downvotes aren't going to do anything to stop either their utter shit tier trolling or un-ironic idiocy

[clever portal]

@clever wagon there are stupid people everywhere

Doesn't mean they're trolling

[clever wagon]

I said either

[wintry matrix]

neither complaining really, i think is just best to ignore and move on rather than giving it attention if it can't be corrected

[clever wagon]

Because texts on the internet don't necessarily show the difference

[rapid oxide]

toxicity leads to nothing

i was super toxic against a game company

and nothing changed

so i stay positive this time

[toxic yacht]

salt fuels my soul

[blazing parrot]

@rapid oxide seagull

[clever portal]

24.99 WutFace

[rapid oxide]

😒

[clever portal]

I think discord can't tell how much you subbed for

So Kvo is probably a filthy 4.99 sub

[rapid oxide]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-06-27-a-year-on-from-launch-overwatch-is-a-struggling-esport

Eurogamer

[toxic yacht]

kvo is probably more of a filthy nitro snob

[solid spear]

._.

[blazing parrot]

[toxic yacht]

fuck u kvo ur not my teacher

[blazing parrot]

[rapid oxide]

shut up weaboo!

[clever wagon]

Fuck y'all are filthy damn weaboos

[toxic yacht]

[blazing parrot]

@solid spear trash waifu

[clever wagon]

hides

[toxic yacht]

tozic

[rapid oxide]

Not nekopara

[toxic yacht]

do you really wanna start this?

[solid spear]

...

[rapid oxide]

nice faked screenshot

[clever wagon]

I torrented HuniePop and then installed the patch

[toxic yacht]

the patch is literally a file

"patch"

just add a file with a name

[clever wagon]

Yeah whatever it's called

[solid spear]

Ah weeb debates

[wintry matrix]

y'all scrubs, the deal is HunieCam Studio

[toxic yacht]

"patch"

[clever wagon]

This shit is priced just right in Summer sale

[rapid oxide]

[clever wagon]

Fuck u @solid spear play Nekopara 18+ and then stream it

[toxic yacht]

lmao

be like your dad

but better

[clever wagon]

SURPASS THE SENIOR

[solid spear]

I'm actually going to so hah

[clever wagon]

STREAM IT

[toxic yacht]

I LOVE ESPORTS BTW

[solid spear]

I will when I'm not sick

[rapid oxide]

you should patch it, it has a lot of bugs... build number is "+18 uncensored patch"

[solid spear]

ESPORTS

[clever wagon]

I love eSports

[wintry matrix]

esports are entertaining

[rapid oxide]

i love soe

[clever wagon]

Akiba's Trip eSports that is

[rapid oxide]

i mean, esport

[clever wagon]

gets shot

Soe is like real Tracer but even better

[wintry matrix]

let's be real, Rachel best esports woman

[toxic yacht]

🙏 Soe 🙏

[blazing parrot]

sayaplayer streams

[clever wagon]

METER ATHENER

[wintry matrix]

BEAUTIFUL TRACKING

wait are we becoming a shitpost channel?

[rapid oxide]

https://t.co/L1Fsc79tsk

[wintry matrix]

we aren't drought for content, we aren't r/jontron

[clever wagon]

Implying we aren't one to begin with

[toxic yacht]

implying that we weren't a shitpost channel in the first place

[clever portal]

There's no esports to discuss

[clever wagon]

Literally what I just said

[toxic yacht]

this is primarily a shitposting channel

[clever portal]

Apex ends in two weeks

[toxic yacht]

it just so happens to occasionally involve esports

[vestal mortar]

I love esports 😍

[clever wagon]

Wanna talk eSports?

[solid spear]

Wait this isnt general?

[clever wagon]

OW IS STRUGGLING

end of discussion

👌🏻

[vestal mortar]

:C

[solid spear]

:>

[toxic yacht]

#FreeDafran

[solid spear]

#FreeDafran

[clever wagon]

Dafran, Denmark's gift to OW

[clever portal]

BlessRNG

[solid spear]

I miss my dad

[toxic yacht]

🙏 Daniel 'Dafran' Franesca 🙏 Denmark's gift to esports 🙏

[clever portal]

@solid spear atleast you can get free fries

[toxic yacht]

lol

[solid spear]

[clever portal]

There's a few people here called throw4dafran

What's dafrans discord like

I can imagine similar to Taimou's

[solid spear]

Doesnt have one

[toxic yacht]

probably smells like burgers

[rapid oxide]

🍔

[clever portal]

How did you get the emote?

[rapid oxide]

subbing i guess

[solid spear]

I'm subbed to him for now

[clever portal]

Dafran sub EleGiggle

[solid spear]

Wont resub til hes back though no point if hes not streaming

[toxic yacht]

🍔

He can stream dinner dash or something

althought that's basically an irl stream for him

[rapid oxide]

irl stream = boob streamers showing boobs talking about absolutely nothing

[toxic yacht]

I wish that all of those titty streamers would just get deleted

like, legit, the people who watch them

just imagining them

[rapid oxide]

do a favor and go to chatrubate lmao

[toxic yacht]

lmao

it's better anyway

[clever portal]

Who are the titty streamers

[toxic yacht]

at least you see more

[clever portal]

All the grills are covered up

[rapid oxide]

and doesnt pollute twitch

[clever portal]

There's a troll one, Kaceytron

And one called Pinky_Sparkles

No idea how she's not banned

[rapid oxide]

showing cleavage doesnt make you banned

[wintry matrix]

i'd prefer booby streamers than dafran

[rapid oxide]

^

[wintry matrix]

at least the grill is usually pretty to look at it

[toxic yacht]

lmao

[rapid oxide]

better dafran than seagull for me

just different taste

[toxic yacht]

also, titty streamers don't ruin your ranked experience

[blazing parrot]

@toxic yacht remember that one streamer i linked

[toxic yacht]

yes

[blazing parrot]

[toxic yacht]

lmfao

[rapid oxide]

just your eyesight

[toxic yacht]

wtf was that

my eyesight and my brain

eyesight and the brain can recover though

[rapid oxide]

who?

[toxic yacht]

the tilt you got from losing thosr ranked games

[blazing parrot]

Doll

[toxic yacht]

reeeeeeeeeeee

it was some chick who was writing viewer's names on her tits

[rapid oxide]

oh

[toxic yacht]

I to this day do not understand how the fuck that was allowed

maybe she's banned now?

[rapid oxide]

that arent even nice boobs, just shitty fat

[toxic yacht]

ya

[rapid oxide]

no sadly

[toxic yacht]

lol

[rapid oxide]

she's streaming btw

[toxic yacht]

ew

but yeah, it was just two shapeless melons

lol

wtf am I even talking about

[blazing parrot]

overwatch esports

[rapid oxide]

🐋

[clever portal]

Loserfruit

[rapid oxide]

Cincin

[clever portal]

Her Justdance streams

[wintry matrix]

don't diss thicness pls

[balmy wolf]

Anyone have experience with obs

[rapid oxide]

http://thegamehaus.com/2017/06/28/interview-yikes-support-staff-part-3/

@balmy wolf a bit. but this is not the place to discuss it

[rapid oxide]

https://slingshotesports.com/2017/06/28/esl-lays-off-20-people-production/

[wintry matrix]

what that means, i don't know much about ESL

[rapid oxide]

https://twitter.com/AlicusOfficial/status/880126239276662785

Alicus (@AlicusOfficial)

change.. is good.

Twitter

[balmy wolf]

wonder what in store

inb4 benching mow

[gusty notch]

[toxic yacht]

inb4 boombox and mow get benched

then ex-cyclone died for nothing

well, cyclowns died so RiP could live thanks to davin

so that's a positive, I guess

[wintry matrix]

hell no, ex-cyclone was so good, i'd rather have a live Cyclowns than RIP

[balmy wolf]

Yeah I'd rather have Cyclone back

Than NiP + Davin

What is dead may never die.

[wary falcon]

Second map of Empire - Vega is 120 min+ now

oh

[supple nymph]

WutFace

I thought ESL was handling much of Open Division

so they would be ramping up rather than downsizing

[limber pine]

maybe Blizz is hadling it themselves now

[balmy wolf]

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sq057d

Dahun is out

and "restructuring" of the support staff

[solid spear]

Dahun

[gusty notch]

dahun got fucked a lot tbh

cant tell if its his fault or hes being focused tho

[rapid oxide]

owl strikes again

[toxic yacht]

Another innocent man falls to the Snake's venom

[clever portal]

Wonder who they'll get

Inb4 Korean on arc6

[gusty notch]

lol they cant import a korean

if they could get a strong zen player that'd be great

[balmy wolf]

they won't

they are unsigned, remember?

it is not like they are under an org and have the monetary power to do that

[clever portal]

I'm sure xQc has enough subs to pay for it

[balmy wolf]

lolz

[clever portal]

What can zza play?

I've seen only Zarya and Pharah

But they were running him on soldier I think when I caught a bit of the game during contenders

[wintry matrix]

wasn't there a good support LFT that got kicked out one the tier 2 teams? can't remember who

[clever portal]

Don't say his name, some people from reddit browse this

[balmy wolf]

Ajax? lol

he is with a team called Hard Retweet

[gusty notch]

nrg tier 2

[balmy wolf]

which is basically ex IMT/Rise/NRG

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321840168845967370/329203265533116416/image.png

Ajax will forever have my resentment

can i advertize streams?

[clever portal]

Whose?

[balmy wolf]

my own

[clever portal]

If its eSports related you can

On the OW they have a streams section which you can post it to

[balmy wolf]

i mean im streaming for CoreImpact LLC and promoting them

probably should go to #video-content

[wintry matrix]

custa doesn't have a team also right?

[balmy wolf]

Custa is flex support though

not a Lucio

and honestly I could probably see him go to NRG

[wintry matrix]

oh, i thought dahun was their ana

[gusty notch]

they said ginger was gonna lucio?

[clever portal]

Yeah, according to other discords

Ginger is going Lucio

And Dahun is coach

[balmy wolf]

I guess FNRGFE hunted him down so bad that he has Mercy PTSD so he now plays Lucio instead

[rapid oxide]

@balmy wolf AG?

[clever portal]

Apparently Danteh claimed on stream there isn't much Lucio talent on the market

[balmy wolf]

@rapid oxide Academy Gaming weekly

[gusty notch]

they really fucked up their mercy comp

[balmy wolf]

which is small weekly tournaments for up and coming team

[gusty notch]

i think it depends on zza or danteh popping off and they didnt that game

[rapid oxide]

Never heard of it

[clever portal]

So serious question

What do teams do for two months

WC ends every blizzard sponsored event for one month+

[wintry matrix]

scrims

[clever portal]

And these have 6 players a national team

[supple nymph]

@clever portal http://imgur.com/d0wJOP1

[rapid oxide]

Nekopara single player

[clever portal]

@supple nymph

[balmy wolf]

from what it look like, the schedule for now will be Contenders S0, World Cup qualifiers for two months with occasional online for those who didn't make the cut, APEX final, S1 Contenders, and then World Cup playoff in November at Blizzcon

which is ok as far as event calendar goes but I miss OMM

[clever portal]

Yeah fine for content for viewers

But shit for teams

[rapid oxide]

I miss Atlantic

[balmy wolf]

at least there will be a fucking NA/EU LAN in S1 Contenders though

[supple nymph]

hope they have a stargate like apex

but those are expensive

[clever portal]

How about add the NA/EU prize pool

Make it 200k and a 16 team tournament

NA Vs EU

[gusty notch]

thatd be interesting

[balmy wolf]

I mean it would be nice for Contenders S1 to be host by Beyond the Summit for example

and TakeTV for EU

[supple nymph]

yea man

their International coverage is ridiculous

[clever portal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/competitiveoverwatch/comments/6k432m

[supple nymph]

🍿

[gusty notch]

not this shit again

[clever portal]

Get ready for 4k points on r/overwatch

The mercy mains are ready to upvote

[supple nymph]

from watching 5 minutes of that guy i really dont like him

[gusty notch]

from watching 5 minutes of anyone u can dislike them

[supple nymph]

seagull?

day9?

[gusty notch]

he's a good player that contributes a lot to ow community

and he's gonna get crucified because he got tilted one game that was out of his control lmao

[solid spear]

rcow back at it again

Jakes got a good stream anyway but thats cuz hes a good talker

[clever portal]

Hes good in the podcasts

And LG Evil captain

[pine star]

This is fucking ridiculous

[solid spear]

Hmm?

[pine star]

The thread

[solid spear]

Oh

[clever wagon]

OP is apparently a throwaway account

[limber pine]

they usually are

[clever portal]

They don't want their main account getting banned

All that karma gone

[supple nymph]

banned for drama posting?

[balmy wolf]

Banned from the subreddit yeah

That does tend to happen when you break the rules

[blazing parrot]

mercy change idea: healing staff now overheats

also blinky's video

[clever portal]

No witch hunting BabyRage

[balmy wolf]

Did someone say... drama?

[clever portal]

Someone made a Reddit post about Jake trolling because of tilt

And claimed he was #throwfordafran

[gusty notch]

the guy actually let it go i think

says he doesnt even play

[clever portal]

I don't think not playing makes a difference

I don't play either

[blazing parrot]

uhh

wrong chat

[clever portal]

For what

[blazing parrot]

i posted a link here by accident

[clever portal]

Attack on titan soundtrack?

[slate loom]

Who's the beat Esports player

[clever wagon]

I am

[slate loom]

Best

[clever portal]

Mikasa

[clever wagon]

[slate loom]

lmao how do you do the pepe emote

[clever portal]

@slate loom Ryujehong/Miro

[blazing parrot]

:chiGun:

[gusty notch]

its reaver obv

🕯

[crisp lynx]

I did not watch the video, did Jake troll as Mercy?

[clever portal]

Who is Pepe?

@crisp lynx he played soldier and was dodging cars on oasis like frogger

[crisp lynx]

lol. I suddenly think of dafran. Thanks for the explanation.

[clever portal]

https://dotesports.com/overwatch/mercy-main-ow-stigma-15494?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialp&utm_campaign=owgg

[balmy wolf]

""I think [a reason for the Mercy main hate is] because at first glance and at low SR, Mercy is one of the easiest heroes to pick up and learn," said Jenna. "She is easy to play, but mastering her is another story. There's a lot of things that Mercy players have to keep in mind and be constantly thinking about in the back of their heads that DPS and Tank mains don't see.""

[supple nymph]

mercymercymercymercymercymercy

is this another quality twitter/reddit summary article

[blazing parrot]

uh i hate mercy cause of how many bad mercy one tricks there are

and how annoying it is to play around her ultimate

on both sides

cause too many mercy mains/otp when they get rez just go hide

instead of actively contributing to teamfights which pretty much guarentees your team fight to lose most times

[crisp lynx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmGiI6AXfT4

Miro pick seagull 1st on his team among western players.

[supple nymph]

wonder if they got letters from blizzard https://www.twitch.tv/thebakertwins

[balmy wolf]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6k3pnf/arch6_yikes_roster_change/djj8jh7/

"xQc's been saying they're looking for a support flex who specializes in Zen, possibly an import."

[clever wagon]

I thought they're a threat?

[balmy wolf]

can't beat them, join them

[clever wagon]

But the thing is he was strongly against them

[gusty notch]

i never heard him say he wanted an import

[clever wagon]

Because he said the exact opposite a few weeks ago

[fickle basin]

Just ask if they can borrow one of C9's

imports I mean

[gusty notch]

c9s arent that great anyway

[fickle basin]

agreed

[gusty notch]

like xephers a good dva which is valuable in na

kaisers a good rein but, its dive meta lol

[fickle basin]

yeah, he hasn't made the transition yet. You would think a winston guy like xQc would do well, but apparentlly its too much for him too

[gusty notch]

xqcs doing well

[crisp lynx]

IMT is better case

[gusty notch]

yeah imt imported rly strong players

karivs insane

[clever wagon]

SoOn - unkoe - S4 3-stack

SoOn - unkoe - Surefour vs Hydration - Dogman - Silkthread LIVE IN RANKED

https://clips.twitch.tv/CharmingSmoothBulgogiTBTacoLeft

Surefour SoOn Unkoe vs Carpe Fury Envy

[wintry matrix]

even the pros are weebs

OW is truly deemed to fail at this rate

[toxic yacht]

Miro is a Seagull fanboi, lol

He literally called his Twitch A_Miro

Libero too, he started playing Hanzo because of Seagull and even copied his sensitivity

[wintry matrix]

imagine when Seagull plays in a good team

[toxic yacht]

A man can dream

[wintry matrix]

i wonder if he ever considered coaching too

[balmy wolf]

Seagull is probably best in a team as a supportive DPS

ala NicoGDH and WhoRU

not a carry DPS

[red anvil]

Miro is the glory of south korea

why aint he in the WC 😦

[forest raven]

Mano OP

[red anvil]

Dont care, glory to Miro

[clever wagon]

If he can perform well at both anchor tanks then he'll get the spot

[red anvil]

Mano was already given the spot for his Rein play

Miro got outplayed by Kaiser in apex s2 finals until Runaway broke down and freaked out

[jovial eagle]

why are people having an attitude with "import" players

it's esports

just like real sports, there are players from all over the world joining teams that aren't native to their countries

[clever wagon]

@red anvil I know that much

Fine, here's a rephrase

If he can/had been performing equally at both anchor tanks then he will/would have gotten the spot

Clear enough?

@jovial eagle xQc being xQc

[red anvil]

okai i read that wrong my mistake

[jovial eagle]

who's xqc

[clever wagon]

Some dude

[jovial eagle]

oh ok

[red anvil]

main tank for yikes and Canada, known for his toxic personality :p

[rapid oxide]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDeQkHqXoAAgS9j.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDRKFDlVYAAH7y6.jpg:large

[red anvil]

What is that % @rapid oxide

[rapid oxide]

win rate

[feral solar]

ez 4 esca

[toxic yacht]

ez for ma boi esca

i never stopped believing in you

🙏

[clever portal]

Lol pro winrate

It will be the same as your team

[rapid oxide]

Esca

https://www.winstonslab.com/matches/match.php?id=1354

[clever portal]

Carried by Miro, Zunba Tobi and RJH

[rapid oxide]

AFB wins 81%

Esca is love, Esca is life

[clever portal]

Most likely outcome 4-1

[clever portal]

No Apex on twitch esports

[red anvil]

Believe in LH

[toxic yacht]

🙏

[rapid oxide]

https://twitter.com/connorj_ow/status/880285305491922944

Connor Johnson (@ConnorJ_OW)

Stepping down from @ggenvision. I had a kick ass time in Cali and learned a lot. sorry to anyone who expected to see me this sunday <3

Twitter

[balmy wolf]

Well now Liquid beating Envision is all but certain

[clever portal]

Stepping down for NRG?

[rapid oxide]

"We welcome Ryujehong on envision"

[clever portal]

"We welcome Whoru to NRG"

[jovial eagle]

doesn't esca always team up with a bunch of other players

to keep his SR high

[gusty notch]

[toxic yacht]

no, esca is clean

[rapid oxide]

SR is meaningless for pros

If there was some ESEA or FaceIt i would be unranked forever

[red anvil]

Will be interesting to see what FaceIt comes with for OW

[clever wagon]

ConnorJ left envision? Why

@jovial eagle also no, that's Evermore

[jovial eagle]

oh

nvm

[clever portal]

It was evermore with the 5k SR

I think the 6 stack thing doesn't work anymore

Before I don't see Cantus on overbuff top 500

Anyone know why they changed twitch mobile app?

[round cargo]

How good is rogue?

Like, i know they are a great team. But how good exactly?

[forest raven]

Potentially the best team in the west

The only contender for such a spot, right now, is EnVy

[round cargo]

Yeah envy got really close beating em once, don't remember when

[forest raven]

Overwatch Rumble

[round cargo]

Yeah that

[clever portal]

I don't see any other team beating them

A few get close (eUnited/Selfless)

[round cargo]

Selfless could so something

[clever portal]

Selfless is now not the same team

[round cargo]

Without dafran yeah

[clever portal]

They have fallen in tiers after losing Dafran

They didn't make Contenders playoffs

[round cargo]

Carpe is great aswell though

[clever portal]

Based on form the best bet might be Renegades or Kungarna

[round cargo]

Like, doesn't match dafran's ultimate tracking but he's great

eUnited you said?

[clever portal]

EU team

Made finals of last EU LAN with Rogue

They play completely like Rogue

EU is all 3 dps

[round cargo]

Did they loose?

At the finals

[clever portal]

Of course

[round cargo]

Tbh, at the first look i though nrg would rek everyone

With seagull included

[clever portal]

On paper it was a good roster

[round cargo]

Yeah

[clever portal]

Biggest mistake was waiting too long

They should have rebuilt and been in tournaments by late Jan/February

To get the roster problems out of the way fast

[round cargo]

Agreed

[clever portal]

This time looks like they will next play in August/September lol

[round cargo]

Yeah

Seagull doesn't really play for nrg anymore either

Busy streaming

C9 is a pretty good team aswell

[clever portal]

🤡 9

[round cargo]

oi

[clever wagon]

C9 is honestly decently stacked on paper but they're still inconsistent

[round cargo]

Make a team, taimou, iddqd, surefour, emongg, sinatraa, silkthread

I'd watch every match

[clever portal]

That's 5 dps lol

[clever wagon]

That's not a sensible comp

[round cargo]

I don't even care lmao

[clever wagon]

Considering how the gane is built that won't necessarily even make a good match

[round cargo]

True, it would just be fun to watch

[clever wagon]

Not fun either

[round cargo]

Your opinion

[clever wagon]

They great people but it would be pretty much 5 dps solo queueing

And I'm asserting why it shouldn't be

I don't care

[round cargo]

They don't have to do it as serious esport team, just a match with all of them

Sinatraa is a goos zarya

Good*

Emong can support if needed

And 4 dps is playable

[clever portal]

Lmao

[round cargo]

If you look at who the dps is

Like, the would still get smashed

[clever wagon]

a proper comp of the same caliber against them, get smashed?

[clever portal]

Why not run a proper dream team

Like Mano/Zunba/Flower/SBB/Tobi/RJH

[red anvil]

[clever wagon]

My dream team is old Rogue

🔫

[clever portal]

My dream team is old Misfits

Never forget, never forgive

[balmy wolf]

Old Melty

[rapid oxide]

Code7

[clever portal]

Code7 vs NV Dorado game

[balmy wolf]

was rewatching some APAC and OW Open

some of the new strats are ironically just old strats dusted for a new age

i wonder why

meta flows in circle

barring any major changes

with rotating meta

some old strats are going to see the lights

the Bastion on Nepal Village is one.

[red anvil]

I'm really looking forward to a strat getting popular that dont contain dive

most interesting one lately was LHs attack mei and sombra on 2nd point voskaya

[balmy wolf]

attack Mei was a thing, mind you

some teams are getting decent usage out of her like dive with Mei for example

but her usage is kind of map-niche

since her ability can by bypass by half of the meta cast atm

[red anvil]

yeah ik

but i was talking most interesting thing in recent times

because i havent seen a bloody attack mei in god knows how long

[rapid oxide]

Sombra and mei?

Where I've to sign?

📝

[balmy wolf]

personally their role is rather niche

and it is best to stay that way

the line of generalists and specialists should not be blurred

[red anvil]

well sombra is growing more and more territory

maps where we never saw her before both teams are often running her

[balmy wolf]

remember Bastion? They tried to make him more generalist with his rework and it blew up on Blizzard's place.

[rapid oxide]

[red anvil]

i'm just curious to see how long it takes people to cry that sombra is OP

[rapid oxide]

Every new meta is welcome at this point

[red anvil]

it will happen, at one point

[balmy wolf]

Sombra's niche is item denial and disruption, which is cool because I believe that her kit is underrated and underutilize. I found it amusing that the EMP farm strats is clearly not what Blizzard intended

[rapid oxide]

Yes Kaku

[red anvil]

and indeed, i'm so bored of dive now

gimmie some glorious mccree

[balmy wolf]

lol

every meta will get stale one way or another

[red anvil]

and i say that as a tracer main

[balmy wolf]

i mean it is going to happen.

people doesn't appreciate how tanks meta are not as harsh in term of mistakes

[rapid oxide]

Ik Reign but blizz should balance to prevent stale

[balmy wolf]

the question is how?

OW is sensitive to balance changes, but usually takes a long time for anything to crystalize

or for a strats to fully come out as OP

and the dissonance between tournament plays and ladder plays doesn't help

Pharmercy is a prime example of this

average in pro games, borderline OP in plat and below, but as it goes up the ladder it gets less and less effective

but then again expect "OW is an esport but we will balance for all tier" to change is a fool's errand at this point

[red anvil]

pharmercy is a special case though, since it's effective against all ladders, it still sees pro play despite being most effective at plat/dimond

and yeah balancing for lower tiers is never gone work, but they should however balance for mid to high

[balmy wolf]

Pharmercy resurgence is partly because of the buffs they has throw for Mercy and Pharah long ago when tanks was still in play. It just that with this climate their OP-ness fully come out

and define mid to high. Diamond in season 3 is already top 90% and above

but for competitive gamers diamond players are trash

[rapid oxide]

Diamond team vs gm team

We won

Rank means nothing

[red anvil]

meanwhile, that might be true compared to pros, without feeling that the game is balanced at at least lets just say plat and above, it will struggle to get following

without following there is no esport

[rapid oxide]

http://www.esportsheaven.com/articles/view/6086

[balmy wolf]

casuals do not fucking care about meta

they just care about complaining on whoever they hates/loves

[clever portal]

They just play

That's it, no brain

A casual will not even know what changes in a patch

[balmy wolf]

trying to placate a playerbase that only cares about their fucking waifu is a fool's errand

[rapid oxide]

https://twitter.com/TeamVirtuspro/status/880426525308465152

Team Virtus.pro (@TeamVirtuspro)

We are happy to welcome a multiple world champion in the Quake series of games, @cypherrrino! Read more: https://t.co/qlv9PNZXyk

Twitter

[balmy wolf]

Cypher get back to Quake Champions lol

he has never done well in OW

so good for him.

[clever portal]

I was for a second

I thought VP overwatch team

[rapid oxide]

Soon maybe

[balmy wolf]

nah

EU orgs aren't interested in OW

[rapid oxide]

That's not true

[balmy wolf]

Harsha told me as much

[clever portal]

[balmy wolf]

lack of interests

[rapid oxide]

Harsha

Really?

[clever portal]

[balmy wolf]

right, so which EU orgs are interested in OW atm?

After Seqta in Contenders and that tweet from Txao

I thought Cypher would leave

[rapid oxide]

Just because they didn't bought any roster or dropped doesn't mean they are not interested anymore

Everyone is watching

[balmy wolf]

Thats pretty good for him though

Being picked up by VP

[rapid oxide]

If Quake esport survive

[clever portal]

I wonder if Overwatch can ever get big in eastern europe

The price tag is a massive barrier

[rapid oxide]

Ruski are too much on valve game

[clever portal]

For eastern europe and south america

[rapid oxide]

https://twitter.com/RavenGG/status/880430163430977536

Raven (@RavenGG)

COMING SOON: The limited edition #TeamDenmark🇩🇰 jersey that will be worn at the @PlayOverwatch World Cup qualifiers in Shanghai #OverwatchWC

Twitter

[clever portal]

Yes, Dota and CS

Denmark without dafran EleGiggle

[rapid oxide]

Can't find a game that doesn't have a russian inside

In dota

[clever portal]

Looking forward to buying a South Korea Miro kit

Oh wait 4Head

[rapid oxide]

I think its hopeless trying to cater Russians for ow

Btw... Next on the "to leave ow for Quake" COOLLER and Slasher

[balmy wolf]

ANOX

[clever portal]

Slasher leaving

[rapid oxide]

[clever portal]

[balmy wolf]

@rapid oxide CIS Orgs outright aren't interested in OW

Tornado Rox dropped their roster because of lack of CIS interests

VP, Natus Vincere, and other CIS orgs aren't going to jump in. And CIS often like their games complex and challenging, hence their addiction to CSGO and DOTA2

and OW as deep as it is is anything comparative to them

[limber pine]

fuck i'd buy a TeamDenmark jersey

and I'm in the US

[balmy wolf]

At least the US jersey isnt a french flag this time around

[rapid oxide]

@balmy wolf "EU orgs aren't interested in OW" you had to say "CIS orgs aren't interested in OW"

and i'm aware of that

i wont cry over not having russians on Overwatch tbh

[balmy wolf]

Team Dignitas, NIP, G2 all dropped their rosters at one point or another

[rapid oxide]

even if its a shame because its a big market

there's a lot of orgs that dropped their team and came back later

[balmy wolf]

and at the moments the lack of interests in the EU scene is why there aren't any orgs willing to jump to it

[rapid oxide]

yes

but doesnt mean they are not interested on ow itself

its reasonable they are waiting

i will do the same

[balmy wolf]

you need to get past the PR writings

interests will flare once the scene get more established

but right now

no.

[rapid oxide]

im not retarded, i know that are pr bs

they say the same for other esport too

even if it's lol

who knows... maybe endemic org are already set on the stone (assuming we want to belive nate)

and includes org like SK, G2 and so on

what confuse me is that some org are pessimistic and drop their team and despite the shit or poor results other org ( ) are still in

this makes me wondering if some org were left apart and some got included

or the endemic team that dropped the team are still included but they want to create a new team

as always... a big ❓

[limber pine]

too many ❓ ; not enough ❗

[rapid oxide]

[limber pine]

feelsbadman

[red anvil]

Do the denmark one come in throw for defran version?

[rapid oxide]

meme or not, dafran never wanted to play on wc anyway

[clever portal]

is a new team

Too early to say if they should drop roster or not

But they did sign a mid tier one

[rapid oxide]

well... less $$$ to buy them but less $$$ to earn

[balmy wolf]

https://twitter.com/Vonethil/status/880342856275283968

Oliver Lager (@Vonethil)

Slipped while cutting cookie, knife went STRAIGHT THROUGH my hand, only thing I could think was "r there crumbs in my hand"

CAN STILL PLAY!

Likes

102

Twitter

it is only a cut

and i has had stitches before

[rapid oxide]

RIP 🙏 Oliver Lager 29/06/2017

[red anvil]

Why was he cutting a cookie

[rapid oxide]

exactly