esports-discussion

[clever wagon]

Teamwork is no question but I mean individually

[balmy wolf]

Fl0wer is one

[red anvil]

Not really, LH coach praised dafran and akm for being the best soliders

i guess there arent many genji/soliders around though

[balmy wolf]

one amusing thing i must note is NA fanboys talked about how Fl0wer is such a versatile DPS in the level of Tviq

meanwhile he only won IEM Gyegonggi

and generally shat the bed in APEX

[clever portal]

@clever wagon I would say the best Western hitscans are only a level above koreans

Keep in mind there are only a few Hitscan mains like Saya and Esca

While most Western hitscans can only play hitscan

Players like Rascal and Flower/Birding can all play projectile at a high level as well

I think LW Blue is overrated

Sure, they have the individual skill

They always seem to have some problems though

I'm hoping next season they have 0 injuries

[toxic yacht]

I still love flow3r and sbb, lul

but I was always saying that they should send more of kdp

[clever wagon]

Still getting the impression that Korea eSports is the type that mostly only grind the gaming side and not so much player health

What with Flower even suffering injury from bad peripheral ergonomics at this day and age

But I could be wrong

[balmy wolf]

eh, LH forces their players to go to gym

and it gave them stamina in that BO7 vs Runaway

[clever portal]

I think Flower is 16

[clever wagon]

I know about LH since it popped up on their twitter

[clever portal]

Could have been gaming before the team and gotten the injury

[clever wagon]

They having health exams n shit

[red anvil]

SK runs there pro teams like other sports teams

hard af.

[clever wagon]

Their

We dont want to become mykl now

[red anvil]

bully

[balmy wolf]

Mykl got his last laugh vs C9 so

[clever wagon]

Idk, I trust the rest of Kungarna doing it more than him being a huge part of it

Seeing it's iremiix, pookz, bischu...

Most of them have had fanfare in their previous teams

[clever portal]

Mykl can still get eliminated

It's actually likely

They probably won't be in season 1 either

[clever wagon]

S4 said the biggest threats weren't anything mykl

[balmy wolf]

Kungarna is always an interesting team when you think about it. Mykl and Babybay are never really that carry level DPS

[clever wagon]

But he could be biased

[balmy wolf]

since in Splyce they done jackshit

Surefour could be right actually

[clever wagon]

That's what I think

[balmy wolf]

Whenever the conversation is "who's underrated as DPS", you almost never heard "babybay and mykl"

[clever wagon]

I mean again, iRemiix and Bischu for example

[balmy wolf]

or ConnorJ during their past incarnation.

[clever wagon]

Their names have been heard more in their prev teams

Mykl and Babybay....?

[balmy wolf]

There's a reason why Splyce with Graceful and those two couldn't do anything outside of winning weeklies.

despite being a "pro team"

also, Ajax https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321840168845967370/329203265533116416/image.png

[rapid oxide]

Stop calling people shit just because they lost once

[clever wagon]

Also, it was a single Oasis game, wasn't it?

[balmy wolf]

yeah

@rapid oxide never really said it lol

[clever wagon]

It could very well be Cloud 9 taken by surprise (at least according to S4) more than Kungarna being able to consistently do it

[balmy wolf]

well, their match vs LG Evil will be the benchmark

you could be forgiven for thinking that maybe Renegades is on a hot streak (only to be brought back to earth in play off)

and C9 choking as per usual

so this is where the chips will fall

[clever wagon]

Dpei himself said he didn't expect C9 to flop that hard in that tiebreaker

[balmy wolf]

mind you, they drew against C9 and Renegades everytime they play

their only win was from Hammers

and even then Hammers draw vs them second time around

personally it is a flash in a pan that C9 lost to Kungarna.

[clever wagon]

mykl and babybay getting carried hard

But ok

Benefit of the doubt

[balmy wolf]

I mean if you look at Envision and ConnorJ

it is not far fetched out of the realm of possibility

but then again though

people have to realized that C9 and Renegades has always been a tier 2 team

C9's accolades since beta has been nothing but disappointment

despite the star powers they often has

Surefour, Mendokusaii, etc etc

so the best you could say about Kungarna now is that they might be occupying the same space that LG Evil once has

better than most NA teams

but not good enough to be a top NA team

[clever portal]

The worst point might have been the C9 AFB game

AFB was probably tier 3 KR

One of the most cringe games

C9s attacks

[balmy wolf]

C9

[clever wagon]

C9 12 btw haHAA

[clever portal]

http://upload2.inven.co.kr/upload/2017/06/27/bbs/i13151187775.png

Really low kill counts for 3 games

I think last game Miro got 58 on 4 maps?

[balmy wolf]

note how the tanks line of LH got kills more than the DPS of LW Blue

according to Winston labs

a team that have better tanks and supports

edge out teams with good DPS

https://www.winstonslab.com/news/2017/06/15/tank-support-players-win-championships-explaining-ptk-model/

[short vault]

wait c9 didnt make it to the playoffs?

[velvet scarab]

nope

[short vault]

r i p

and selfless

my god

[clever portal]

They'll be playing at the beat invitational

[pliant stirrup]

Hey!

[clever portal]

Hi

[lost sand]

Who is all ur favorites in the world cup

[balmy wolf]

SK, France, Sweden, Russia, Canada

Dark Horse: Taiwan, Brazil, Vietnam, Australia

[wary falcon]

SK, France, Sweden, Russia, Canada

SK, Rogue and Sweden

fixed for ya

[balmy wolf]

Dark Horse: Flash Wolves, Brazil Gaming House, CyzoneVN, Blank Esports

FTFY

I just want Flash Wolves to kick US's teeth in

so that Slasher's smug face will be completely wiped

also @balmy wolf Dark horse

not Dark house

heck

[clever portal]

Slasher has said many times that NA is thrash

[wary falcon]

everyone is keep saying this

no matter what game is

[toxic yacht]

Dark House lul

[rapid oxide]

SK Telecom T1 soon

@balmy wolf i know you didn't... was generally speaking

one day one player is praised, the other day is shit talked

just look at Bishop

"C9 problem is coach" reddit post after Kungarna won (for example)

btw Redeye, a very famous The International host is not going to host TI... time to get a talented host maybe blizz?

[wary falcon]

2GD i hope

Anyways last good TI was Third

[rapid oxide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3uOMCfopR8

would like to see redeye on host

for OWL, prob won't happen

[clever portal]

Just because he's good at another game doesn't mean he'd be good in overwatch

But overwatch desperately needs good casters

[rapid oxide]

he did other game too

UBER!

AND BLIZZARD DIDNT INVITE HIM TO CONTENDERS

AND NO SOE FOR HOST

also can't understand why they listed monte and doa

when they casted only one day lol

i could be wrong because i didnt saw the matches, just tuned randomly, but never saw monte and doa

[clever portal]

I heard Monte and Doa didn't do any

[balmy wolf]

they did the qualifier

[clever portal]

Maybe they're waiting for the finals

[balmy wolf]

and will do the playoff

but no idea why tbh

[clever portal]

Or doing apex semi finals 😱

[balmy wolf]

maybe NA OW made Monte sick and he needs a month to recuperate?

[clever portal]

Why even have them?

They could pick up NA and EU casters

Save them for world cup

[balmy wolf]

they are a part of OWL

since they have been working closely with Blizzard

[clever portal]

Maybe they supervise the camera guys

@rapid oxide who is soe?

[rapid oxide]

Atlantic Showdown hoster

she cosplayed tracer, now she's working for Blizzard esport on versaille

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvEgF4PZxO8

[clever portal]

Wasn't this back when overwatch had no casters?

So they hired random people

She seems alright though

[toxic yacht]

monte and doa were at the world cup abd MLG Vegas

nothing else though

if you ignore apex, of course

[clever portal]

They just cast it though

They have no knowledge about the players/history

[balmy wolf]

"back when overwatch had no casters"

[rapid oxide]

Huk was good

[clever portal]

Huk and Ster 🤢

[clever wagon]

@balmy wolf what's the reason of pineapple smug? I thought he it said NA is trash

[clever portal]

So is JKap

They can still do other events

[clever wagon]

Uber is still under ESL, correction

no idea about Soe

[clever portal]

I'm sure everyone will be there for world cup

[rapid oxide]

JKap is under esl too

Soe works for blizzard

[balmy wolf]

Ster was great imo, even though it is a little bias because I'm a longtime fan he did a pretty good job casting

[clever portal]

Anyone else want Rachel back

[balmy wolf]

huk was garbage though

[rapid oxide]

me

[clever wagon]

Ster is pretty ok

[balmy wolf]

he does better managing toronto

Rachel at E3 was 👌🏻

She looks a lot better with long hair

[clever wagon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvEgF4PZxO8&t=8885s The fuck is unkoe doing lmao

When the first months of release had better eSports content than after OWL was announced

TIMO WAS SO THIN

[solid spear]

My boy thicc now

[clever wagon]

What OW eSports can do to a man

[rapid oxide]

what are your opinion about Jamerson?

didn't had the chance to listen to his casting

[clever wagon]

What I would give to see old Rogue back in this day

[clever portal]

I would say Jamerson didn't really stand out in all those online tournaments

From the EU games he seems good now

He talks really fast and is able to give a decent play by play

If you had a pick an online caster

I would have gone with Bren

[clever wagon]

FishStix looked so passionate there

In the Atlantic Showdown post match desk session that is

[clever portal]

He seems interested in overwatch

He's on chanmans podcast as well

[wary falcon]

https://puu.sh/wvFIq/0f0b71a2fa.png

F

[clever portal]

Rip 🕯

[sturdy granite]

Contenders 😃 🔫

This scheduling is straight up stupid, who decides this crap?

[balmy wolf]

@rapid oxide he said he want team USA to get a top 4 finish

or rather, he'd be happy if team USA finish at top 4

[solid spear]

https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/news/20873062

[pine star]

Here for the OW League update

Does this imply that there are owners already?

[balmy wolf]

FUCK

https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/news/20873062

[rapid oxide]

@balmy wolf who? :)

[balmy wolf]

You know who

[narrow sphinx]

Guys, i want to ask you a question.
Are there eSports teams composed of men and women? mixed teams?

[rapid oxide]

Gull?

@narrow sphinx i think the most number of girls in esport is currently on csgo imo

On ow, just one girl in a chinese team

[narrow sphinx]

Yes, but the question is that if there are mixed teams with more or less good results

[toxic yacht]

there is a new malaysian team that's all female iirc

[rapid oxide]

Her team ended 3rd on chinese tournament

[toxic yacht]

but nope, don't think that there are any mixed teams with good results

or at least not many

[narrow sphinx]

I see, thanks for the info

[toxic yacht]

also, hi gertre

[rapid oxide]

You are welcome

[toxic yacht]

no reaper avatar?

[rapid oxide]

Anyway hype train?

[toxic yacht]

eh

there has been so much shit to kill my hype

I'll just watch

and pray

[balmy wolf]

Also how many top 500 Mercy mains is going to include in those reports?

[rapid oxide]

Pretty sure being top 500 is not the only requirement

Im kinda hyped because that means the economic shit is ended or very close to be

[balmy wolf]

At least eeveeA will be in

That'd be an interesting report to read

[rapid oxide]

100% bet everything will be revealed at blizzcon to maximize the hype and viewership of it

[narrow sphinx]

no more reaper

I realized im a support main

[toxic yacht]

lul

yeah, should be at blizzcon

let's hope that it turns out well

I don't want this game to die 😢

[rapid oxide]

🤞

[pine star]

I just hope they throw at least some crumbs at us

And not make us starve until fucking November

[supple nymph]

pros are going to be the ones starving

[rapid oxide]

apparently slasher got an OWL invite

[clever wagon]

[rapid oxide]

https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/879776695170940928

Rod Breslau (@Slasher)

Coming to a OWL franchise city near you as the best of Overwatch's 75,000 pro players.

Twitter

the "75k pro" meme is even more annoying than the c9

[pine star]

That's a top kek

[supple nymph]

............

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6jum2f/an_update_from_the_overwatch_league_commissioner/djh5jq9/

i guess more than one person had the idea for a photoshop

[rapid oxide]

not very hard to fake tbh

[pine star]

Yup

[rapid oxide]

"0 mail"

[supple nymph]

@balmy wolf ?

[balmy wolf]

?

[supple nymph]

did you check the mailbox

[clever portal]

They said top 500, so everyone here. See you all in the overwatch League

[balmy wolf]

i wouldnt have gotten one

[supple nymph]

cause you're irelish?

[vestal mortar]

rood

[rapid oxide]

lmao

btw getting an invite doesnt mean you are in

[balmy wolf]

no because im not top 500

[vestal mortar]

awwwwwwwww

You're top 500 to me Polo

[balmy wolf]

ty

[limber pine]

but not to me

[vestal mortar]

:C

[limber pine]

[balmy wolf]

Slasher of all people apparently got an invite

Somebody clearly didn't tell Nanzer that Slasher is blacklisted

[vestal mortar]

I miss OMM just because of Slasher tbh

[balmy wolf]

He need to fuck off to Quake as soon as possible tbh

Or at least, team USA needs to get rekt by Brazil and Taiwan

[rapid oxide]

savage, brutal, rekt

idk why he still twit about ow

like fuck off go sucking quake 🐔

"best esport in the world"

pretty much want to stay on ow because he's somehow relevant

on quake no one would gave him a fuck

[toxic yacht]

you're top 500 in me polo :3

[rapid oxide]

🏳️‍🌈

[toxic yacht]

:heartato:

wtf

where the fuck

[supple nymph]

@tough summit what about you did you get a letter

[tough summit]

what?

[toxic yacht]

lol

[supple nymph]

from blizzard?

[clever portal]

Ford asking everyone

[clever wagon]

I'm honestly top 10 but my teammates so shit won't let me climb

12 btw haHAA

[tough summit]

@supple nymph letter from blizz regardin what tho

[toxic yacht]

owl

[rapid oxide]

ESCA LUL C9 12 btw

[tough summit]

doubt it

im not rated

[toxic yacht]

sent it to a buncha top 500s

[tough summit]

atm

[toxic yacht]

and stuff

[tough summit]

o nvm

is it the

"scouting report

survey"

[toxic yacht]

people who were top 500 in s3 and s4

[tough summit]

then i have it right here

[toxic yacht]

yup

that one

[clever portal]

Nice man

Good job

[rapid oxide]

👏

[toxic yacht]

you can become the next dafran 🙏

[rapid oxide]

click on

[toxic yacht]

lol

[rapid oxide]

i would do it if i had it

[wary falcon]

It's quite weird

Some of my friends didn't get email

On main account

[clever portal]

Top 500 is not the only requirement

[wary falcon]

But got it on smurf

[hexed panther]

I'm gonna make it to top 500 this season

im already almost half way there

[clever portal]

Better stats on Smurf?

[supple nymph]

https://puu.sh/wvMiy/9a6d46a976.png

also slasher

[rapid oxide]

you have to be +18 to partecipate btw

[dusty surge]

rip

[wary falcon]

I think i'm too old for this esports shit

and the only reason to try to play competitively is ability to bet against my team

😦

[rapid oxide]

same

im too old for OWL

i would refuse anyway

[clever portal]

Don't you guys want to go to APEX?

[wary falcon]

i think i'm going to visit finals this time

[clever portal]

Apex?

[wary falcon]

Yep

[clever portal]

I heard it's hard to get tickets

[wary falcon]

final will be after world cup

[clever portal]

But it's on the beach, so maybe they have more places

[rapid oxide]

use alicus jet company

[hallow lichen]

/r/overwatchleague is looking for mods! Please contact me if you are interested. https://www.reddit.com/r/OverwatchLeague/

[toxic yacht]

no.

[vestal mortar]

lol

[rapid oxide]

115 sub? you dont need for additional mods

[wary falcon]

you reposted to wrong channel

[toxic yacht]

this is like, the second time you've posted this reeeeeeeeeeee

[vestal mortar]

Sojum is not pleased

[toxic yacht]

[candid kiln]

Hey anyone know if they send this survey to some later. I finished top 500 in season 2 and 4 and am over 18 years old, but didn't get the email.

[rapid oxide]

check spam

[candid kiln]

I did

nothing

[rapid oxide]

also being top 500 is not the only requirement

[balmy wolf]

you dont need to fit every criteria

[toxic yacht]

being in good standing is also a requirement iirc

[balmy wolf]

just one

[toxic yacht]

rip aimer

[candid kiln]

I'm not toxic either

[rapid oxide]

By doing this, we hope that we can help teams make a good roster, especially for teams that are hilariously bad at making them despite having tons of NBA money (Hello NRG!)

[balmy wolf]

tfw @nimble bobcat get into a team

[toxic yacht]

oh yeah, fun fact

during the tank meta rogue were scrimming dive comps with nico on zarya and soon on genji

I just noticed it when watching one of snizzle's montages

[balmy wolf]

Soon on Genji 🤔

his Sens is pretty fucking high though

and during IEM

he was on Genji

and AKM on Tracer

[toxic yacht]

he used to play him back in the ancient days

[balmy wolf]

during tank meta

nico

[toxic yacht]

nico

was on rogue during that time

picked up around that time

when they replaced skipjack

rogue's first showing at the OMM was pretty much when the tank meta was ending

[supple nymph]

open divison news: http://imgur.com/io8fqH1

blizz messed up the eligability check

[balmy wolf]

What does this mean

[toxic yacht]

also, the same clips that I saw

had winz on zarya

[limber pine]

noobody knooows

[toxic yacht]

and nico on lucio

[rapid oxide]

stop editing

[toxic yacht]

lol

[vestal mortar]

what the heck

[balmy wolf]

im not signed up anymore

im freakin out

[toxic yacht]

[vestal mortar]

Nuuu POLO

[rapid oxide]

2gut4owl

[balmy wolf]

heck

what do i do now

oh wait

tonnes of teams were removed

[vestal mortar]

ya

[balmy wolf]

it was at like 141 last time i checked

now its 91

[vestal mortar]

Go to the Blizzard building in Dublin and complain

[balmy wolf]

:<

[rapid oxide]

contact esl admin?

[toxic yacht]

Polo to get picked up by cyclone

🙏

[vestal mortar]

🙏

[neat lodge]

[balmy wolf]

=> 🌀

Western Europe signs up through Faceit @rapid oxide

:<

[rapid oxide]

im retarded

😐

#prayforpolo 🙏

[toxic yacht]

🙏 Polo 🙏

[vestal mortar]

🙏 Polo 🙏

[balmy wolf]

https://clips.twitch.tv/BetterDrabDugongCmonBruh

the start of contenders is moved forward 4 hours

starting from noon

[clever portal]

For where?

NA?

[balmy wolf]

yeah

[rapid oxide]

http://www.esportsheaven.com/articles/view/6086

[clever portal]

Saw the clip, Na

EU still 11

[rapid oxide]

https://twitter.com/Immortals/status/879806459369865216

Immortals (@Immortals)

Noah Whinston discusses @panseung2 and @KarivOW’s additions to #IMTOW, and what they mean to the team. https://t.co/WbVPv5Xu5i

▶ Play video

Twitter

looks like this video was aimed just for xQc

[gusty notch]

"lets add better parts to our car and we'll win the race"

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6jucas/spoiler_apex_casters_analysis_on_luxury_watch/

[clever portal]

xQc

Yeah, read that post

Really good analysis

LH Coach is insane

Let's see if they can take down AFB

[toxic yacht]

🙏 for my LH bois

I believe in them

it's gonna be tough though

[rapid oxide]

look forward to Envy - LH

[balmy wolf]

Cant wait for my boys AFB to not drop a map

[toxic yacht]

they're probably gonna drop 2 maps if they win vs LH

but if they get the whole way to the grand finals

with 0 losses

🙏 ArHaN 🙏

[rapid oxide]

no more "ARHAN LUL"

[clever portal]

Twitch memes will never die

[rapid oxide]

sadly

[toxic yacht]

it'll probably be like ESCA LUL

[rapid oxide]

esca played so well i was soo happy

[clever portal]

But esca is actually inconsistent

[rapid oxide]

gido played well too

[clever portal]

Arhan recks other teams like they were plats

[toxic yacht]

well, arhan was kind of shit during S2

which is where the whole meme came from in the first place

like, af blue overall was being weird

[balmy wolf]

time for Arhan to waste some blades

and then AF Blue still win

[toxic yacht]

but arhan made a lot of horrible individual plays

[clever portal]

Yeah, the air slashing. Falling to his death

[toxic yacht]

like, back then gods' genji was passable at best

and he was losing 1v1s

vs gods

[balmy wolf]

i mean it gotta be just still only passable that B1shop putting him on D.va duty

so many questions to why C9 flunked out

[rapid oxide]

"can't wait to see my boi arhan slice some air "

[clever portal]

🤡

[toxic yacht]

I remember when I had arhan in my nickname

lul

[rapid oxide]

and zebbo too iirc

[toxic yacht]

there was a point where my nick was like, 7 genji players

combined

into one long-ass name

[rapid oxide]

look at his actual nick

[clever portal]

I will change my name and pic to Arhan if they win 4-0

[toxic yacht]

it's still a genji lmao

didn't even realize

but yeah, arhan never really turned to a meme in korea

since he was always one of the best genji players over there, so they still respected him after his... failures during S2

[clever portal]

Apparently he's known for being able to 1v1 Winstons

[toxic yacht]

apparently he's the only gengu over there who can 1v1 winstons

aaaand you just said that

lul

[clever portal]

You can see he builds ult fast

[toxic yacht]

yup

his ults are lol but he builds them up stupid fast

[clever portal]

So just have insane accuracy

And Whoru and Haksal are dead, so he's uncontested

[toxic yacht]

:(

tbh I was never too impressed by arhans ults

even during the wc

or apex s1

[rapid oxide]

or s2

or s3

[toxic yacht]

S2 ArHaN swords were a fuckign comedy

[clever portal]

The only good Genji performance this season was Libero vs Nv

But ArHan consistently gets kills

He was farming X6 on Anubis

After the LH game

There was one guy in chat: Whoru was the problem

[balmy wolf]

https://www.over.gg/4680/overwatch-league-prepares-scouting-report-for-prospective-team-owners

On the face of it the email is a formal request to let Blizzard tout you and your stats to potential team owners. With the expected level of legality for an operation of this size. Though, the part that many fans will be focused on is that very specific date mentioned:

If you are currently under the age of majority in your country but will be of majority age by June 2018, your parent or legal guardian will also need to sign the legal releases.

June 2018

@rapid oxide

like I said, World Cup is obviously just a scheme to buy times

[supple nymph]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6jw96u/dummy_on_nrg_they_definitely_can_get_a_better_ana/

[clever portal]

You could say that about everyone though right

Unless you're RJH

[balmy wolf]

or Unkoeee

[jagged crater]

Dummy where'd you go

[rapid oxide]

Oh, thanks reign

And WC is a good strat to attract casual

[jagged crater]

Are people optimistic yet

[rapid oxide]

Yes

I am

[balmy wolf]

i called it out right away when the first announcement of the new World Cup

is that it is a ploy to buy time to get OWL ready

so now in this year's calendar

you have OW contenders, BEATS invitational, World Cup qualifiers, and then OW Contenders season 1, and then World Cup

not mention that third party events in between

[limber pine]

my harp on NRG sense is tingling

[balmy wolf]

wut

[limber pine]

what @supple nymph posted

[clever portal]

They'll have random online ones

I think Overwatch Pit wants to do another one

[nimble bobcat]

i think lots of people received the email

i received two for example

[balmy wolf]

75k

tfw i was 3.9K but couldn't be bother to try for GM at least so now i'm coaching

[pine star]

@toxic yacht

We're the dps duo Laser Kittenz deserves

[rugged lantern]

how would I get started if I wanted to play competitively

[supple nymph]

uhh

get to top 500?

join Open Division when they start again?

stream and talk on your stream

[wary falcon]

how would I get started if I wanted to play competitively

find friends

[supple nymph]

do stuff that gets you lots of attention like shit talking people in public discords

but dont do it until you are really well established

[wary falcon]

Or just play a lot in high ranked and people will invite you to try out

[supple nymph]

make yourself into a brand- be a really personable talkative guy like seagull or be disgusting like taimou

get your own discord

find a gimmick like kephrii maining widow but dont be too gimmicky or you'll be useless at the pro level

[final river]

I see Mercy can't rez from spawn anymore on ptr, step in the right direction.

[clever portal]

They're making mercy changes

[clever wagon]

OW eSports need more "heel" characters

👌🏻

But with quality like Winz/Rogue

In both gameplay and BMs

[clever portal]

Taimou counts as well

Talks shit about Na

But can back it up as well

[clever wagon]

Yeah Timo too

Just need to avoid getting fined FailFish

[clever portal]

Allegedly Taimou knows why Whoru was benched

[clever wagon]

[clever portal]

He could leak it

His best emotes aren't global

No taimougachi or kaiser2smug outside of his discord

[clever wagon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8FZegZ1dyk Left guy and ZP from the Contenders studio

[supple nymph]

https://puu.sh/ww0II/0027b7571d.png

rip LH

[final river]

Will Whoru be back for that match?

[clever wagon]

Unlikely

[final river]

Damn what a waste.

[balmy wolf]

[feral solar]

https://twitter.com/EnVy_Taimou/status/879888189258727424

Timo Kettunen (@EnVy_Taimou)

Hey guys 30% winrate mercy otp in top500 here! Can't wait to compete in OWL with all the pros. As you can see I'm pretty pro as well!

Likes

166

Twitter

[clever wagon]

🍿 🔥

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6jucas/spoiler_apex_casters_analysis_on_luxury_watch/

Damn

That was a really good read

Extremely valuable read, in fact

LH's coach is a serious threat of a mastermind

[final river]

The guy that did the translation, a ton of work he did.

[clever wagon]

I wonder who's gonna coach SK world cup team

[feral solar]

every time taylor swift comes on his music surefour gets excited its great

[clever wagon]

Tswift is particularly still in with Surefour and Sinatraa

The 2 that I've noticed so far

[clever wagon]

Right, vs KDP up next for NV

[balmy wolf]

it is going to be nV's last stand

Rogue exited early but won Takeover 2

so if nV won this match and advance to final

it'd be interesting if nV will keep up with Rogue in the accolades department

[rapid oxide]

Mercy can't res spawn anymore

On PTR

https://twitter.com/EeveeA_/status/879860526586769408

EeveeA_ (@EeveeA_)

Here it is. The mercy change that needed to happen. https://t.co/qOjhAjstFb

Likes

133

▶ Play video

Twitter

[balmy wolf]

Is it me or should they make certain maps only playable in QP

because some don't seem balanced for comp

[feral solar]

why cant every map just be kings row

[balmy wolf]

No

The maps that require Tweaking, and have really big flaws

no these flaws may not be as big in the pro scene

but

[sturdy granite]

Kings row 😎

[feral solar]

no i just want kings row

nothing else

[balmy wolf]

Tbh

[feral solar]

delete everything else

[balmy wolf]

I want hanamura

😃

Cause then my 85% winrate on mei can come back xd

2CP is absolutely miserable to play in QP

because of lack of coordination

[feral solar]

atleast you can finish the map in qp

[balmy wolf]

"can"

IMO anything in overwatch is a pain to play withour propercomunication

This game is built for teams

not for solo

[sturdy granite]

QP is just misery, I only go there to warm up or practice heroes

[balmy wolf]

but people feel like it's a game based on indivdual plays

[feral solar]

let me reword that atleast you can mostly finish the map in qp

[balmy wolf]

oh, and quick play Hanzo/Widow enthusiasts

which is why people insta lock dps'

those are 😡

tfw you keep getting kill by arrows from a Plat Hanzo who never uses Hanzo in comp

how? Why? Hello?

[sturdy granite]

Eh, I play alot of Hanzo, but will back down in QP if we already have enough dps, and usually, we have 4 in every match.

[balmy wolf]

like I has them enough every other QP match I wonder if it is something about QP that make those characters viable

but in comp they are trashed, or at least requires someone with delicate hands to play

[sturdy granite]

I bring him out only on maps I know, and if it works with the comp.

[clever wagon]

caring about comps in QP

[sturdy granite]

Comp

not qp

[clever wagon]

"Eh, I play alot of Hanzo, but will back down in QP if we already have enough dps, and usually, we have 4 in every match."

Be a real man and just fuck your team up, they don't care, why should you

[balmy wolf]

lolz

[clever wagon]

👌🏻

[sturdy granite]

Meh, I got other characters to work on as well

[balmy wolf]

some of the maps in OW is clearly not balanced, and they left them on the rotation

Gilbraltar

Oasis

2CP

[sturdy granite]

You're describing half the game

[feral solar]

i feel like all the payload maps need to remove the second spawn after getting the first point

[balmy wolf]

they banned out King's Row, Dorado, Volskyaya and Ilios.

3 of them are fairly balanced

with one horribly unbalanced one in Ilios

and all of the remaining maps are dive maps

[sturdy granite]

I'm so tired of seeing Gibraltar in pro play

[balmy wolf]

Gilbraltar has its own problem. The second spawn and the hangar phase is either a constant struggle or snowball

and there's nothing in between

[sturdy granite]

Numbani is also pretty rough for point 2

[balmy wolf]

Numbani point 2 is very snowbally

it is like every unabalanced maps in OW always has this snowball element

either you plow through it or you are going to have to save 6 ults for it

[sturdy granite]

Honestly, I like having momentum based gameplay to seome extent, gives matches a nice flow. Of course, if it's not in your favor, it's not nearly as enjoyable.

[balmy wolf]

King's Row is balanced because you can actually escape in case of a forward spawn

but Gilbraltar just sent you straight back to mid where you can get dive on and another 12 seconds in the spawn room

Numbani less so but the first point is so hard to defend that it kind of make up for how open the second point is

but to defend the second point you need to get out from the point 3 spawn. And by the time you reach mid the enemy already at the bend.

So your only recourse is hoping for a quick death, spawn from point A spawn and then start a forward defense there

[sturdy granite]

Yep. Honestly, EichenWalde point C might be my favorite area out of all the payload maps.

[balmy wolf]

Eichenwalde point C is like Route 66 point C

designed specifically for Reinhardt

which is fine.

But unlike Route 66 point C

the openings are kind of small

even with the front gate reworks it is still a pita

honestly who fucking test these maps

Eichenwalde point A is underratedly penetrable but they put a side route because plebs can't go past it 🤔

point B is probably the most dynamic in the game though at least

[sturdy granite]

point B is nice, but the long as hell time to reach the first gate just kills momentum.

On Kings row, your right there in the next fight. On Eich, you have to push the cart for 30 seconds with nothing happening.

[vestal mortar]

I love esports

[sturdy granite]

same

[clever wagon]

I DON'T LOVE ESPORTS

Mods gonna come kill me soon

[sturdy granite]

What is Overwatch?

[clever wagon]

Huh

[rapid oxide]

?

[clever wagon]

Nothing

Just Timo

[sturdy granite]

Also what they said before the first X6 match

[clever wagon]

First X6 match was more of a fluke by surprise imo

[rapid oxide]

https://dotesports.com/overwatch/lunatic-hai-overwatch-apex-ryujehong-15474

[clever wagon]

LOL

This inven article didn't hold back on posting the whole screenshot containing a full profile page

[sturdy granite]

Rip Ching

[clever wagon]

Deserved tbh

In another news, must be hard being Mek0 in LH vs LWB

What with LH keeps bludgeoning and battering him around

[final river]

Sucks to be the face of Mercy one tricks.

[clever wagon]

The shit face

[sturdy granite]

I wouldn't say they're the face

[final river]

He's gonna be called out in every game now.

[clever wagon]

Don't lump in EeveeA with them

[final river]

Star, talking about Ching

[clever wagon]

Called out in every game? Honestly, I don't give a flying fuck.

You knowingly exploited the system (even though it's also Blizzard's fault) and knowingly take advantage of it at the cost of being a burden to 5 other people in every match

[final river]

I'd say it's entirely Blizzard's fault

[clever wagon]

Ｄｅｓｅｒｖｅｄ

[sturdy granite]

Yeah, the fact that swapping in a game all about changing strategies is punished is a pretty crap system

[clever wagon]

"Entirely"? Even though the general active playerbase have already agreed that that kind of playstyle as a Mercy is honestly utter shit for your team in the long run?

That's not "entirely" Blizzard's fault.

[sturdy granite]

Well, we'd have less Ching's if the Sr system wasn't so messed up

[clever wagon]

We'd have less Ching's if more people have the brain to actually play Mercy properly

Case in point Korea

Wonder why it's not as prevalent in their high ladders? 🤔

[sturdy granite]

Lol, have you seen the forums? When people here can't play properly, they blame others or the game. The people who complain never try to learn, it seems

[clever wagon]

You mean those dumbfuck Mercy-type and low elo players? Blizzard forums?

[sturdy granite]

pretty much.

[clever wagon]

I don't go to Blizzard forums unless there's some extra spicy shit going on.

Don't want to associate with cancer

[sturdy granite]

I don't either, I just hear horror stories

[rapid oxide]

someone said horror? https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/42L3cW4IKdDOQsswRikMh5KpSKrDEr9hEQ7nz5EAMjU/https/cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/178698794286710784/329488386790522890/satyr.jpg

[feral solar]

name a more iconic duo.... i'll wait

[toxic yacht]

[clever wagon]

@rapid oxide DELET NOW

YOU GOT ME MUTED BECAUSE OF IT

[rapid oxide]

[clever wagon]

DELEEEEEET

@feral solar Phil & Bill

Most iconic duo so stacked that not even Stanky could handle it

[rapid oxide]

NRG and shitty results

[clever wagon]

So what's become of Dummy after that clip on r/cow

[toxic yacht]

Dunno, but NRG will keep being shit

lul

[rapid oxide]

i can see Dummy being the best support soon

i think NRG is cursed

if they got a spot in OWL

... lul

atleast will be entertaining

another icoin duos. AKM and Kimchi, Kaiser and Grapes and Winz and Payload

[clever wagon]

https://twitter.com/coolmatt69/status/879583626794610688

matt iorio (@coolmatt69)

@DRUNKKZ3 @Vonethil

Twitter

[feral solar]

[rapid oxide]

[clever portal]

Holy shit, that AFB Vs LH Match prediction...

[clever wagon]

Rough

But can it really be though?

[clever portal]

Most likely outcome AFB 4-1...

Probably their insane map score leading to the prediction

[clever portal]

So are custom games actually fun on PC?

On console we have no text chat

So you just use voice lines and emotes

It gets old fast

[red anvil]

I mean, if anyone is gone take down AFB, it's gone be LH

sure they had there rough moments when there first gido dps match, but he have improved so much

[clever wagon]

@clever portal no idea, I find custom games of no use personally

[wintry matrix]

but i wonder if it's really improved or the just got a favorable matchup with they way LW-Blue played (going by what Yongbongtang said)

[clever portal]

@clever wagon same they're not fun for me at all. I just spam mystery heroes during events

I don't think going against LW Blue is a favorable match up for anyone

Their playstyle got completely exposed like LH vs Runaway last season

They do look a lot more comfortable with Gido

[wintry matrix]

i'm going for what the caster said that LW Blue didn't adapted when they needed to so they were vulnerable, and got rekted, at least the LH vs Runaway was quite close

[clever portal]

I wonder if people will stop saying LW Blue are the favorites to win each season now

Undoubtedly a tier 1 team

But imo don't have the quality to get the title

I could see them winning in a league system though

For example KDP would always drop games imo

LWB seem to never have major upsets

[wintry matrix]

wasn't LH the same before apex s2? they never actually won a tournament or something

[forest raven]

Yeah

Two 2nd place finishes before APEX season 2

APAC 2016 and IEM Gyeonggi

[wintry matrix]

and apparently Taimou's going to take a break after APEX, if only nV had a 7th player to sub for him

[toxic yacht]

LW Blue also won a LAN before

why do people keep forgetting that

literally beat LH

with a dive comp while LH was running triple/quad tank

[clever portal]

Maybe Dafrans ban ends by then

Timo and Dafran might get along

Or NV Whoru 😱

[clever wagon]

Scratch that

[wintry matrix]

tho only now i remember that Kyky was a player, so maybe theyll' sub him?

[clever wagon]

What lul

KyKy is... a... coach... what

[toxic yacht]

dunno, kyky was always the off-tank

maybe they'll finally put mickie on dps?

I dunno

his dva seems too valuable

[wintry matrix]

maybe kyky on lucio and harry on dps also?

[balmy wolf]

Harry "I can only Soldier" Hook

nV is full of one tricks as funny as that sounds

Cocco's Winston has had feeded uncontrollably at some points up until now

Taimou's Soldier and Tracer is Kobe throw

or at least never get to as much effectiveness as burst damage heroes

[wintry matrix]

in the Around the Watch, reinforce mentioned that cocco's passive style as rein maybe hurt his transition do winston

[balmy wolf]

Mickie's Zarya is not as good as his D.va

[wintry matrix]

tho honestly i don't doubt their ability to learn new heroes

[limber pine]

what team did we see that with during the OWC?

some team's tank wasn't playing Winston well, so they said "fuck it" and just played as Rein

[balmy wolf]

NIP?

or rather, RIP?

@limber pine

[limber pine]

could be

i don't recall ATM

[balmy wolf]

it is RIP >_>

since Fragi is the only tank that still stuck to Reinhardt despite otherwise

[wintry matrix]

i remember lots of teams doing that, as in: try to play the meta> doesn't go well> go for their comfort picks

[clever portal]

WC was basically Mei meta right

Post beyblade

[pine star]

GUYS I KNOW HOW TO FIX D.VA

[solid spear]

No

[pine star]

What if

The booster worked like Rein's charge in the sense that you can't just maneuver like a drunk man

[solid spear]

Why tho

[wintry matrix]

that doesn't make sense

[pine star]

So she has a harder time getting away

I mean, that's part of the problem

[wintry matrix]

and dva is fixed already kit-wise (aside from bugs)

[pine star]

D.Va fixed

[solid spear]

D.Va honestly isnt the problem with the game rn and even if she was the only thing youd target would be matrix

[wintry matrix]

i don't see any problems with her, she may feel oppresive, but she just fits the meta, kinda like rein did, or tracer/genji do

[pine star]

That's the thing with D.Va

Nerf her matrix and she becomes shit tier

[wintry matrix]

i mean, that could be said a lot of heroes, take one ability and they become shit, especially tanks becuase of large hitboxes

and remember that matrix is 4 seconds on a long-ass total recharge

[pine star]

But If you nerf the boosters like that she has a harder time being so oppressive and can still keep hitscan in check

And arguably increases the skill cap

[solid spear]

Honestly that idea sounds really bad

[pine star]

[wintry matrix]

i dunno, make it slower she becomes super vulnerable, make one-direction and she becomes to unmobile

[solid spear]

Wait Sulli pls

[pine star]

Not one direction

[balmy wolf]

one of the better suggestion to fix D.va is add an extra 100 armor at the cost of reverting the DM buff.

which to me is more reasonable.

since the old DM actually wasn't this void of "let me suck everything in"

[solid spear]

Well that was intended though

[wintry matrix]

people just to need to counter her, eitheir by zarya or sombra

[clever wagon]

Zarya

Yeah... No

[balmy wolf]

Zarya is making a slight comeback, as funny as that sounds

[pine star]

Zarya

Nice one

Zarya main btw

[clever wagon]

Old hog, Sombra, Zen discord work faster than Zarya

[balmy wolf]

no really. Try Meta Athena triple tank.

[wintry matrix]

i dunno, i'm just spitballing

[solid spear]

I mean it doesnt help that Hog is weak af now and Zarya hardly sees play

[pine star]

Not everyone is freaking Hoon lol

[wintry matrix]

i just don't like "jeff nerf, this is killing me :Babyrage:"

[clever wagon]

Come full circle, Hog "rework" is bullshit and uncalled for

[pine star]

I mean, it just was one idea lol

[balmy wolf]

@pine star doesn't mean that Zarya is obsolete

[pine star]

True

[balmy wolf]

Renegades played triple tank dive with Zarya and no one bat an eye

[solid spear]

Still say D.Va isnt the real problem though, remove her and everyone just spams triple dps Rogue comp like nothing happened

[pine star]

I mean, I'm not complaining because D.Va makes me have a hard time

I main Zarya, D.Va and Tracer so I'm kind of neutral

I just want this meta to end

[balmy wolf]

people will complains about every meta

i just don't like this meta due to how micro play intensive this is

[wintry matrix]

yeah, i just wished people experimented more, including pros

[balmy wolf]

a mistake and you die

[solid spear]

Real talk if you really want it to end probs have to target Monkey

[pine star]

I just want the meta to be more diverse

[balmy wolf]

I'd personally advocate for a 15 bubble cooldown

right now it is at 12

but realistically it is at 10 or even 8

because of the health of the bubble.

[solid spear]

Winston was already getting good play after D.Va, Ana nerf patch and then they kept buffing him

For no real reason

[balmy wolf]

well

you need to realize that Jeff is incredibly behind the tournament scene

[pine star]

Exactly!

[balmy wolf]

despite keeping up with it.

Team 4's buff/nerf is all about making every tiers play alright

[pine star]

And then nerf Hog, one of the anti dive tools in the game, also for no reason

Fucking why

[balmy wolf]

because Roadhog's pick rate was high in lower tier because of noobs getting out of positions and blame Roadhog for taking advantage of it?

that's the only explanation i have

[pine star]

Yeah

I guess it's just hard to balance a casual game with an esports scene

[balmy wolf]

"let me make an esport but balancing for the plebs who only cares about sledgehammering heroes because of reasons" - Blizzard

[wintry matrix]

i actually think hog maybe would be fine if the dmg reduction was lower

like

the hook can work if people focus it

[pine star]

They could revert the cooldown nerf

[solid spear]

Thing I dont get is if youre balancing the game around ranked why hasnt Mercy been touched

[pine star]

Because triggered Mercy mains

[clever wagon]

Otps

[balmy wolf]

Mercy spawn ulting is getting patched

so that's a start

[pine star]

Not enough

[balmy wolf]

but even if EeveeA complained about Mercy being broken

something has gone wrong.

21% win percentage Mercy main in Master

[solid spear]

Id make it that she can straight cant rez unless its los

Cuz fuck her

[pine star]

The problem with Mercy rez from spawn is just a testament of how shit 2CP spawns can be

[balmy wolf]

or Gilbraltar

[pine star]

I'm ok with Gibraltar tbh

[solid spear]

Nah Gib was bs too

[balmy wolf]

you mean the spawn where it is the prime example of this?

"let me spawn right beneath the point and press Q"

[pine star]

You don't have to wait forever in a point to be captured in GB

If they're that close to the spawn is because it's already almost there

[balmy wolf]

it is still one of the more common complaints about that spawns

[pine star]

So they attackers will get it a millisecond after they leave

[balmy wolf]

and it took them like a years to actually get that shit out

[pine star]

Not the case in 2Cp

[balmy wolf]

which is 🔫

one of these days i'll probably ping EeveeA and ask what he thinks is wrong with Mercy atm

they really need to undo the support SR fix though

[wintry matrix]

he'll probably know as much as we

which is very little since we aren't game developers

[balmy wolf]

i mean even if the OG Mercy one trick got mad about it

then why is Mercy not getting fix

[wintry matrix]

i'm not saying she is perfect, but rather that the extent which she needs to be fixed and how can varie a lot per response

[rapid oxide]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BV28VlClLL1/

[wintry matrix]

this is a personal pet peeve of mine because there's so much hyperbole

[rapid oxide]

[balmy wolf]

Kephrii in a pro team

2 tricks

nice meme.

[wintry matrix]

and i totally agree with jeph that a lot about meta and characters is mostly about perception

[balmy wolf]

I'd probably want to make her rez LOS, and maybe dial down her healing a bit

not going to sledgehammer the shit out of the character

[rapid oxide]

STFU YOU ARE INSULTING THE BEST WIDOWMAKER IN THE WORLD11!! 11.! THE WIDOE GOD

Widow

[balmy wolf]

he tried out for Team Liquid and even as shitty as Liquid back then they didn't take him

🤣

[wintry matrix]

is he actually good with Widow? i could see meme teams bulding around these OTP to generate views

[balmy wolf]

only if there are people to carry his white asses yes

[wintry matrix]

and i dunno about LOS, it could make frustrating

[balmy wolf]

he never really solo queue

Rez is the only ult to work without an LOS

[wintry matrix]

but i want to see how it would work

[rapid oxide]

He need his 6 man roster to get boosted

[balmy wolf]

another thing is that i'd want Blizzard to revert the SR hotfix

that cause Mercy mains to keep going for high value rez

instead of playing things strategically

[rapid oxide]

I want the actual sr to get burned and redone completely

[balmy wolf]

because that seems to artificially inflate the SR

[worn cargo]

I hate Kephrii

so much

[rapid oxide]

Same

[worn cargo]

He's such an entitled, cocky, toxic, douche

[wintry matrix]

what did he do?

well, that's half of the streamers/pros

[balmy wolf]

burning SR down is not going to happen

[rapid oxide]

Jake, rein are close to being what panda mentioned

[balmy wolf]

because the amount of data that Blizz has is too invaluable to toss away

[worn cargo]

I really like Gale, really like Seagull

[balmy wolf]

Gale

Seagull

[worn cargo]

Mendo's pretty cool too, and I like Valkia

[rapid oxide]

LMAO

[toxic yacht]

wtf is this even

[worn cargo]

Don't think either of them are toxic

[rapid oxide]

[wintry matrix]

btw, how the SR system works in Lol/dota?

[worn cargo]

May be cocky

[rapid oxide]

Better

[worn cargo]

But, this isn't a stream-discussion lol

[toxic yacht]

@clever portal wc was during the height of beyblade, actually

[wintry matrix]

I mean, how it functions, like how it tracks different roles performance

[worn cargo]

Just had to chime in because fuck Kephrii

[toxic yacht]

mei being super meta was during beyblade

[pine star]

wtf is this even
^

[toxic yacht]

the reason why mei was picked so much at the wc was because the 144 tick servers made her freeze faster

so she was broken on the wc client

literally broken

[rapid oxide]

@wintry matrix solo + group queue 0 10k

[toxic yacht]

more broken than in the normal game

[rapid oxide]

But its different i guess

Its not an fps

[toxic yacht]

wc was between the ow open, which is where beyblade began

[rapid oxide]

You can't say it will be better on ow too

[toxic yacht]

and apac/apex, which was when beyblade ended

[wintry matrix]

yeah, i was just asking to see if maybe OW could compare in tracking different roles in one match

[rapid oxide]

Idk how works in depth

[toxic yacht]

well, in a game like cs, tracking individual stats is easier

and makes more sense

in something like ow it's just 🤔

[worn cargo]

I think the idea of tracking individual stats is fine

[rapid oxide]

Csgo is trash

[wintry matrix]

because there's more classes

[worn cargo]

But... it's just a little overtuned right now

[balmy wolf]

Here's one aspect that OW clash heavily with itself. SR uses stats to track SR gain and losses, but also wants people to switch. And guess what will be detrimented when you switch?

[rapid oxide]

The ranking system

[toxic yacht]

if they still want individual stats they should stop it at 3,5k+ or some shit

[pine star]

I just hope we can get LCS levels of stats breakdowns for OWL

[worn cargo]

I just hope OWL doesn't crash and burn hard

[pine star]

Those LCS stats are fucking glorious

[rapid oxide]

@pine star being worked on it

[wintry matrix]

how about maybe a clan SR system? like, instead of personal the clan has an SR, as it is a team game

[rapid oxide]

Confirmed by monty

[balmy wolf]

nah

[pine star]

@rapid oxide I mean, I want THAT level