I mean non-gutteed LWB
#esports-discussion
toxic yacht
clever portal
Imo KDP can't beat full strength LWB
toxic yacht
LH should have own IEM 
well, LWB played tracer-genji dives while LH ran the tank meta
so I'm not that salty about LH losing
clever portal
Wow that ending
clever wagon
Yeah
balmy wolf
clever wagon
It worked anyway
toxic yacht
nV has already ran this on first point attack before
pine star
It kinda make sense
toxic yacht
not very unusual for them
pine star
It forces the defense's tanks to come to the point and fight on Hogs terms
clever portal
Also the hog is bait
Gily was throwing for dafran and using molten core on hog
But still didn't manage to kill him
pine star
Hog had DVa behind iirc
clever portal
I'll need to watch it again, it looked like he was just body shotting so couldn't kill him
pine star
Pretty sure Mickie was on his face and negated part of the damage lol
But still
#ThrowForGily
clever wagon
They started falling off after being defeated in KOTH
toxic yacht
tbh they got crushed on koth
only capped once on both maps, both times when nV was at 99 and nV retook the point with ease every time
clever portal
That tactical pause was funny
clever portal
Kyky came in and they were laughing at X6
clever wagon
Does this mean the Junkrat was a total fluke?
toxic yacht
if nV beat KDP they're winning imo
clever wagon
toxic yacht
but I don't see that happening
balmy wolf
fat chance though. KDP don't have anyone to send to WC, and nV has 4 people going to WC
yeah
seemingly the WC picks actually will work out in KDP favor
since they don't have anyone to go, but AF Blue, LW Blue and nV all have WC participants
pseudo sail
I'm probably not the first to figure it out, but has anyone else noticed this >
https://twitter.com/RadoNonfire/status/878281486297739270
And if so, have OGN commented on it :?
clever portal
Semis are right after quarters
clever portal
I'm guessing it's a mistake
OGN have changed match order before
For example sometimes they change which game is played first on a day
pseudo sail
Ye, they can change it, but I'm not sure if they've noticed this. That's why I posted. Tried to hit up several of the OGN guys on discord but got no response :/
toxic yacht
π
clever portal
There is a possible reason
balmy wolf
GosB's visor looked shit except for one moment in Hanamura
and HarryHook also visor into a Trans
clever portal
The second semi is on 4th of July
Maybe they want NA fans to watch NV
That visor was worth it
I think nanovisor outdamages trans
And it did enough damage for a 
clean up
velvet scarab
nanovisor definitely doesnt outdamage trans
toxic yacht
fun fact: nanodragon and trans cancel each other out
the thing I'm curious about is whether the people in the dragon reach 0 before the 300 burst heals come in
dragon isn't burst, so it's kinda interesting to think about how they'd interact
solid spear
well its not really 300 burst heals its 300 heals over the course of a second so youd never actually reach 0
toxic yacht
I was under the impression that trans was burst
huh, TIL
should pay more attention to the hp of people in trans
solid spear
I mean 300 hps might as well be burst cuz of how much healing it is but technically it isnt
balmy wolf
reading r/compow gives me AIDS
last week Cocco was feeding as Winston
this week he played better
and now everyone is like "why not Cocco in Team Sweden"
because at the moment of the pick Cocco was feeding as Winston, fuckers
π«
solid spear
._.
toxic yacht
well, they weren't wrong
lul
nV just massively underestimated them last match
which bit them in the ass
balmy wolf
@pine star link to the actual tweet?
and also, again, X6 is the best challenger team
or was
so nV underestimated them and get their ass handed to him was like lol
pine star
pine star
Funny thing is, that tweet from Alicus is old af, and Flame actually took the time to look for it just to reply "ROFL" 
balmy wolf
Flame seems to be petty, tbh
limber pine
rapid oxide
!voteunmod Draw
toxic yacht
!votekiss Draw
rapid oxide
π³οΈβπ
clever portal
Draw π
rapid oxide
toxic yacht
oh hey, it's dids' teammate
rapid oxide
In 15 hours OWPS final... Too bad we can't see it
clever portal
I mean they have the Chinese streaming sites
I have no idea how to get them to work though
rapid oxide
I tried but its slow
clever portal
I doubt they would have the name right there
blazing parrot
sombra did it
rapid oxide
Doomfist is not a healer hero and im mad already
I really hope they are baiting us
This game desperately need an healer
Better if it's a lucio alternative
sturdy granite
Doomfist will be a defense heroe, and the gauntlet will be placed on a turret
clever portal
The leaks claimed he was DPS
rapid oxide
Technically Defense and attack are both dps
clever portal
But defense means 5% pro pick rate
sturdy granite
@clever portal anything not dive = F tier
clever portal
Most diverse meta 
sturdy granite
Hmm, Winston sure seems to be gaining popularity. Lets boost his bubble so he can get to the top.
sturdy granite
Honestly, I want him to have a legit dive ability where he can slam people from the sky, kinda like a falcon kick
or ground pound
clever portal
Maybe that could be his ult
supple nymph
clever portal
Dont trigger @rapid oxide
supple nymph
playing on ACER Predator 15 and his nrg screen thing is gone
instead there's acer stuff
sturdy granite
Inb4 Doomfist is actually Roadhog as a dive hero
clever portal
Is predator 15 a laptop
blazing parrot
@supple nymph he probably didnt set up the overlay for nrg stuff
since hes on a different computer
nrg still in his details
supple nymph
ah
clever portal
Or an org picked up :kchipmunk:
clever portal
Rotating profile pic VoHiYo
blazing parrot
supple nymph
good overview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZjkVWcsdpg
π€
supple nymph
?? they bought a cat?
rapid oxide
A cat would be a good anti stress tho
balmy wolf
probably posted already
but look how NA plays that much Mercy vs how KR plays that much Ana
balmy wolf
btw @rapid oxide enjoying C9 getting out of group today?
rapid oxide
?
supple nymph
yea ?
3 c9 matches and 3 selfless matches this weekend but not a single one is streamed
guess ill use my imagination
balmy wolf
@rapid oxide they got out of group of ECS after C9 1-0'd Fnatic and Astralis
rapid oxide
oooooh you mean CS?
I dont follow cs that much
Unless SK are playing
Well... That confirm na is trash ;)
rapid oxide
C9 won already in VG
balmy wolf
let's do a thinking exercise for a sec
Seagull said that he isn't committed playing for NRG when OWL hit
so realistically
who should try to poach him?
rapid oxide
@ford in actual reality VG have an healthier esport scene than OW
rapid oxide
But C9 won already? 
rapid oxide
*on their Fucking pc
I see no difference
Tell us reign, i don't wanna read stuff or thinking rn
balmy wolf
"What is the biggest, most important item that development is currently working on?
AP: Our immediate focus is on improving the performance, network code, and stability of the game and implementing our latest gameplay balances. Making the game more responsive improves the quality of play for all players, and it is important to implement our more recent balance adjustments for Champions and weapons before the Quake World Championships qualifiers begin June 29th. While we will continue to update the game and bring improvements throughout the summer, we will want to limit the amount of balance adjustments we make while qualifiers are underway.
Looking beyond this week, two of our largest priorities remain Onboarding and Progress Loops. Our onboarding efforts include additional tutorials, training maps, and UI/UX improvements to build a better user experience for all our future newcomers. The implementation of new progression loops introduces new game systems weβve designed to keep players coming back throughout the week, every week.
Meanwhile, our art teams are hard at work at generating additional content such as costumes, weapons, and vanities, keeping your loot boxes full of new items to earn, and our animation team is hard at work on⦠some big surprises."
so yeah, ID actually have their head on straight and focus on performance, netcord and stability of the game
while cosmetic literally on last
balmy wolf
at least ID came out and said what's their priority lol
rather than Blizzard's eternal silence
balmy wolf
Seagull's contract probably have some hefty buyout
rapid oxide
I heard lots of stuff from game dev they never delivered
supple nymph
why would seagull go back to esports in the near future when it's looking like it will fail more than ever now?
i think he will just keep streaming
rapid oxide
*during tournaments
supple nymph
unless he can stream practices and the tournaments or they compensate him
he'll lose out on a lot of $$$
rapid oxide
What will makes me like seagull if he's turn into LTJ
Streaming tournament and comment strat
And teach plebs how to play ow
rapid oxide
vainglory is a good game shut up
rapid oxide
PC, tablet, Console is just a way to esport
rapid oxide
100k what?
balmy wolf
viewers
rapid oxide
What game?
supple nymph
the thing i linked
and reign they posted it on their official channel
blizzard hasnt figured that out yet
balmy wolf
ikr
rapid oxide
Sorry to disappoint you but that arent live views
VG PeK at world was 30k
Peak
And i know what im talking about since i watch VG esport
balmy wolf
i mean at least for the youtube vod, mate
rapid oxide
Cmon, ow beat 100k x views lmao
clever portal
Noobs prefer highlights to VODs
I saw a video "Bunny talks shit and gets recked by Enyvus Taimou"
300k views
clever portal
Not going to get into the VOD debate
balmy wolf
Seagull
rapid oxide
And its not blizz official channel otherwise it would bet more
clever portal
But Overwatch has no central vod source
rapid oxide
Get
clever portal
And some people like me only watch twitch vods
rapid oxide
Rogue envy got 150k
balmy wolf
the fact that the biggest Western LAN barely got 22K is a bit of a miscarriage of justice tbh
rapid oxide
I have faith on Blizzard
supple nymph
weird that blizz doesnt even have world cup vods on their official channel
you have to go to a 3rd party
balmy wolf
left the cart unchecked after winning a team fight, of course
C9 = KOTH and point
nV = payload
white shadow
hey guys, haven't watched any OGN Apex since S2 finals. Could anyone suggest some good/exciting/interesting games to watch so far in S3? (No spoilers, please!)
toxic yacht
there are a ton of VODs with close to a 100k or 100k+ views
faceit is just unlucky with the ow open vods, lul
white shadow
Um
toxic yacht
oh, i didn't read your message yet
oops
uhh, nV vs Meta athena, the first one this season
white shadow
awesome thanks <3
toxic yacht
LH vs Kongdoo Panthera
mostly the first one
haven't watched the second one yet for some reason
both rogue games vs teams that aren't AOD
toxic yacht
np
trim trellis
clever portal
@white shadow every Lunatic Hai game is good
Also see Kongdoo Panthera vs LW Blue Apex Season 2
First game
white shadow
cool cool, thanks!
ahahaha "I get it" is back after disappearing in the S2 finale
feelsgood
clever portal
I prefer STAND UP SwiftRage
clever portal
We should be happy r/overwatch still allows esports content
tough agate
Quickplay plays 
toxic yacht
there is no reason for them to stop
like, making skins doesn't hinder other development
at all
solid spear
theres nothing wrong with skins
toxic yacht
it's just different people working on different things
solid spear
especially when my characters get them
toxic yacht
at least the artists still have a job
solid spear
rapid oxide
Im getting tired of skin only content
Comp is still crap, no new spectator content, no hero reworks
Just patch to please casual plebs
solid spear
I mean
like Sojum said
its not the same people working on those things
skins being created isnt the reason other stuff doesnt happen
balmy wolf
Having the artists stop making skins does nothing to help game development move forwards
They don't balance the game, they dont come up with new heroes
they aren't in charge of esports
It would just mean we get no new skins
rapid oxide
Yes i know
Im talking about the rest now
Comp is crap but hey, we have highlights recorder
Excuse me, shadowplay
And crosshair costumisation thay only required 1 year to get done
supple nymph
adding new kinds of cosmetics, fixing bugs with cosmetics, and stuff like that all takes up development resources- so we dont know it's 100% just artists cranking out stuff
toxic yacht
not really, no
that's not how it works
fixing a cosmetic bug is something you're done with in a short ass time, and mostly it isn't even something you'd code on an awful lot
implementing cosmetics is also just a matter of minutes if blizz has any common sense
supple nymph
assuming their cosmetics pipeline is perfect and complete sure
toxic yacht
it's not hard to make a functional cosmetics pipeline
you'd have to be fucking retarded to be a big company like blizz and make something so important that wastes so much time
thorn holly
Yes but this artists should work in make new Heros. Release only 3 heros per year its just a dumb decision
rapid oxide
It's not
balmy wolf
The artists do nothing except design the hero's looks
rapid oxide
OW is not a Moba
balmy wolf
And they can't do that if they dont know what the hero does
If they don't know their backstory and their abilities
They can't design them
rapid oxide
I would say 4 a year, 1 each comp season
balmy wolf
3 is perfect
solid spear
if anything 3 might not be sustainable down the line
thorn holly
No It isnt
rapid oxide
With 4 you also cover all the 4 roles
tough agate
i'm all over a german rein skin
thorn holly
4/5 would be fine
tough agate
oh woops I was stuck up top
thorn holly
But 3 is not enough
tough agate
i'm into 4 a year, but not if they have to rush it at all
rapid oxide
I would be happy even with 2 if they focus on serious content
balmy wolf
2/3 heroes we've gotten so far have been garbage at launch and months later one of them is still only played less than 20% of the time
thorn holly
In fact we dont need more "main Maps"
balmy wolf
And the other one will probably follow suit
thorn holly
But this Game needs 2 more supp and 2 more ancle tanks
rapid oxide
Not boring pve content you play 3 times and you never touch it anymore
solid spear
I mean like 2/3 the roster gets played less than 20% of the time so thats pretty normal
balmy wolf
They flied in someone to trial.....
thorn holly
TSM 2.0
thorn holly
At least TSM were a little bit intelligent and decide not make a OW team right now
rapid oxide
But... But... Paladins have one hero every month so paladins>ow
balmy wolf
Snow from Keep Gaming. Dude used to play with Seamoose for Method
balmy wolf
Snow from Keep Gaming. Dude used to play with Seamoose for Method
Snow from Keep Gaming. Dude used to play with Seamoose for Method
toxic yacht
...
rapid oxide
Probably phone issue
toxic yacht
android discord is amazing!
balmy wolf
Snow from Keep Gaming. Dude used to play with Seamoose for Method
toxic yacht
lmfao
balmy wolf
Snow from Keep Gaming. Dude used to play with Seamoose for Method
toxic yacht
Snow from Keep Gaming. Dude used to play with Seamoose for Method
balmy wolf
Snow from Keep Gaming. Dude used to play with Seamoose for Method
rapid oxide
Snow from Keep Gaming. Dude used to play with Seamoose for Method
thorn holly
@rapid oxide i didnt say that, i dont even like Paladins wtf???
solid spear
so Aythen, B1am,Sleepy, Snow, Retzi and Phaz have all gotten trials at some point
balmy wolf
I miss method
toxic yacht
method :(
rapid oxide
blazing parrot
who is snow
balmy wolf
DPS for Method and Keep Gaming
balmy wolf
Most likely
short vault
can someone link that website that has all the upcoming matches and their timings
balmy wolf
yes.
balmy wolf
No?
supple nymph
interesting deviation from the current trend
balmy wolf
well
Seamoose and Snow played before in Method
flex DPS in KR is too valuable for KR to actually get poach
balmy wolf
they got Carpe off of BK Stars
and more than one team disbanded
but the valuable players all got snatched up
π«
supple nymph
i guess if you're a millionaire and you watch esports and you see LK play with the logo of that sponsor
makes you want to choose them as your private jet provider?
clever portal
Alicus is God
Tbh I'm surprised he hasn't been bought out
Guys am I high
Or draw not mod anymore
forest raven
Yes hello
clever portal
Just showed up on list again
limber pine
π
clever portal
Mods going offline?
clever wagon
What the flying fuck Alicus
Also, not a news flash, mods and admins don't have lives
YOU SHALL FOREVER BE BOUND TO MODERATING THESE SNOT-NOSED CHILDREN OF A COMMUNITY
supple nymph
need cranial implant to deliver mercy posts directly to brain for moderation
clever wagon
Mercy one trick defenders need lobotomy
supple nymph
they tried that once but didnt find anything to remove
supple nymph
clever portal
I think you guys would like Timo discord 
clever portal
They have special section for mercy main discussion
clever wagon
Use code ALICUS or LASERKITTENZ next time you want to book a private jet on JetSmarter for 10% off
clever portal
But tbh the more mercy hate the better 
fast hollow
ello
balmy wolf
hi
supple nymph
only $5000 a seat
fast hollow
anyone wanna join my custom game?
supple nymph
what kind of custom game
fast hollow
lucio and pharah fly swatting its where the swatters are ucio and the fly's are pharah
lucio and pharah are both 1 shot
but pharah has unlimited fuel
and gravity is messed up
blazing parrot
...
this is esports discussion
if you want to get people to join try #overwatch #lfg-pc-na-ranked or #lf-scrim-na
fast hollow
ok
blazing parrot
clever wagon
clever portal
The worst of the 4 casters
clever portal
But still he's improved a lot
clever wagon
Except PapaSmithy, he was pretty good in last game
clever wagon
Slasher 
clever wagon
PapaSmithy seemed to pay attention to micro plays a lot, that's pretty damn good
Meh
clever portal
I think Wolf as well
clever wagon
xQc, Slasher, same thing
clever portal
They seem to analyse the game well
blazing parrot
lol slasher gets so salty when plebs talk bad about him
clever portal
Achillos does decent commentary
clever wagon
@blazing parrot not like we're supposed to give a shit anyway
clever portal
blazing parrot
clever wagon
I can dislike his attitude all I want
blazing parrot
reading his salty comments on rcow all the time
makes me laugh my fucking ass off
clever wagon
If he gets salty about "plebs", then that's on him lol
clever portal
Does he even post there?
clever wagon
Don't blame "plebs" if you get high blood pressure all the time, we're "plebs" after all
blazing parrot
im better than you duh 
supple nymph
the gull has landed
clever portal
hey this is slasher and i came to this thread looking for people trashing on me and i don't see enough of it yall okay NA OW fans? one series win got you in a good mood or something, where it at doe
blazing parrot
so if you look jetsmarter up on google
this is what comes up apparently
S. Florida Business Journal reports; 'A federal class action lawsuit has been filed against Fort Lauderdale jet-chartering startup JetSmarter for alleged violations of overtime work compensation laws.'
supple nymph
reported
blazing parrot
?
supple nymph
JetSmarter is reported
clever wagon
WITCH HUNT REEEE
blazing parrot
Twitter
clever portal
Kvo spooked of mods
blazing parrot
liquid is now gay pride
lgbtq*
naw most of the mods on this server are friends with me
blazing parrot
π―
sturdy granite
The cult of Alicus grows
clever wagon
I mean
Feel free to say orgs main income aren't tournament prizes
But commoners would see that first
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
balmy wolf
limber pine
limber pine
balmy wolf
the rest of the teams in their group, Group D, will receive 4-0 wins.
So technically
nothing will change
limber pine
err
yes
but that means we'll officially get either 
or 
in the playoffs
which should be fun
balmy wolf
Probably 123
I'd love to see Alfa
but prooobably 123
Im still so mad about the whole Cyclone/Ex-Cyclone/Cyclowns deal
balmy wolf
Easily @forest raven
They would have been 2nd in their group 100%
They would have beaten everyone Rogue did
So they would have just had to beat Rogue to top the group
Which I think they had a chance at doing
forest raven
That's a RIP
balmy wolf
Mow, Poks and Davin just made for the best dive
I will miss that team sincerely
And I will never get over it
rapid oxide
Twitter
balmy wolf
Thats probably an upgrade ngl
balmy wolf
Even just going by his DPS play on Fnatic
NWA has been losing to everyone
I doubt its only Haffi's fault
Probably a lot of realzx's aswell
rapid oxide
Keep the mid tier meme alive
Janus is not in hospital anymore, no info about him playing or not against LH
rapid oxide
https://www.twitch.tv/bananaculture OPS 3rd + finals
balmy wolf
There's a difference between APAC and the OPS
It's the 3rd place and finals aswell
Not semis
rapid oxide
my bad
70k views on panda tv... wanna know how much are real 
lol chat asking for 177, the support girl
clever portal
Btw @rapid oxide there's a twitch link
Just scrolled up and saw you posted it......
That stadium and crowd is impressive
I was thinking what felt a bit different watching it
Both teams didn't have a tracer 
rapid oxide
lmao
clever portal
177 π
balmy wolf
one amusing thing i noticed that the only instances of girl players in actual pro scene is anywhere but the NA
so much for NA being a progressive country when Malaysia of all people have a full girl team
and 177 plays Tracer
rapid oxide
Iirc KR and EU have none
balmy wolf
and OWPS has tournament server as well it seems
@rapid oxide EU has like...one, and even then it is "debatable"
KR has also like....one
rapid oxide
LF is stomping hard btw
KR had Geguri but she doesn't play anymore
From EU I've no clue
If you mean Kitty
Well... Shes not bad at all
But she can't find a team
balmy wolf
she declared FA since like WC but no one took her so π€·
rapid oxide
She tried contenders but her team didn't succeed
balmy wolf
also, people keep insisting on Miro should be select by SK Committee 
rapid oxide
And why "debatable"? Hahaha
balmy wolf
Of course, it should be pointed out that the reason it is "debatable"
is that some people will say that Kitty was biologically a man so that disqualified her from being a female
meanwhile some other people will say that it is not the case
rapid oxide
Im more mentally challenged as usual this morning
balmy wolf
lol
short thicket
λ―Όμ§
clever portal
Is strange seeing this after Apex
balmy wolf
clever portal
They have a lot of girls in crowd as well
But no one cheers
Even LF was just clapping when they won
balmy wolf
different place, different ways to act
balmy wolf
that's where the WC Qualifier will be hold too, btw
clever wagon
What is this, female in esports?
balmy wolf
the usual trap, basically
π«
vestal mortar
clever portal
Has to be mercy main :(
balmy wolf
Zarya gets destroyed by triple dps and just dive in general
clever wagon
Pull -> DM down -> shoot -> gets focused by teammates -> mech gone
clever wagon
She can't pull up defense matrix
balmy wolf
yeah but if you land the hook thats a given so
you're basically saying hooked twice in a row
clever wagon
What...?
I'm saying
In 1 hook + shoot combo, Roadhog takes DVa HP more than Zarya can do with average energy in the same time frame
With the added bonus of defense matrix unavailable
clever wagon
...
clever wagon
Well yes that's what I'm saying and why I think old Roadhog was even better than Zarya for DVa
clever wagon
ResidentSleeper
balmy wolf
clever wagon
Why did you even feel the need to extend the conversation -_-
You're talking like I just came up with something that's supposed to be obvious whereas I know it's obvious because I've used old Hog vs DVa tons of times myself and I just brought it up to disagree with that Reddit post
Smh
balmy wolf
I wasnt trying to talk about road not being better vs dva
I was just saying "dm down" shouldnt be in there
because you already have hook in there
so dm being down is a given
clever wagon
I meant the Defense Matrix being locked is also a huge bonus with using Roadhog's hook compared to using Zarya against her
Pre-fixed Zarya energy gain could deal with DVa faster than her current state but that's no longer around
clever wagon
Not better than Roadhog
clever portal
Like a rein/Roadhog on other team
clever wagon
That guaranteed charge building is what's hard to get
And you can only shield 1 teammate every what, 10 seconds?
For 200 damage only too
clever portal
DVas obviously much better
clever portal
In tank meta it was really good
In dive they can basically insta kill shield like they insta kill squishies
Or just change target
clever portal
Anyone miss triple tank
balmy wolf
Nope
balmy wolf
._.
clever portal
Not sure how much though
balmy wolf
Zen is the least of dive's problem
clever portal
Maybe nerfed discord orb range
balmy wolf
he has been untouched since like ever
and realistically, triple tank wouldn't be so bad but THEY NERFED REINHARDT AND ROADHOG
like why
versed sinew
they nerfed reinhardt?
clever wagon
Ah yeah
clever portal
I mean that shatter change was needed
clever portal
It was retarded bring shattered on top of a bus
clever wagon
Pressed Recall, animation started and still killed
It sucks
Don't nerf Discord
How can I have fun playing Zen being unable to reliably scare dive DPS away
balmy wolf
Honestly I dont think nerfing any of the dive heroes is what needs to be done
because they are all fine
clever portal
The problem is when you add them together
versed sinew
defense matrix should be breakable
balmy wolf
Winston you could make a case for 15 secs bubble cooldown since the cooldown starts immediately
unlike in the past
like now, the bubble's cooldown is 12
but realistically, it is 8 or 10 at best
because usually 2 seconds is the time it takes to break it
as far as D.va goes
her DM is OP in pro plays
but her characters are shit in ladder play
versed sinew
or hard nerf it and remove its resource bar and re-add the reg cd
balmy wolf
.....you want her to be unplayable now?
clever portal
The thing is Zarya dive was never as aids as dva dive
balmy wolf
i mean
people asked D.va to get nerfed
and she got nerfed
but her DM's buff was ultimately what brought her back
because pros realized that her damage mitigation is too good to ignore now
versed sinew
dm is the only reason shes played
clever portal
Could have a maximum damage absorb limit like MoonMoon suggested
So people play around that
Right now matrix has insane uptime
Because pros just flash it
balmy wolf
one option that people threw around the time she got nerfed is make her health 300/300 but keep her DM the same
clever portal
Old dm was thrasg
balmy wolf
something have to gives.
clever portal
Sometimes you woke matrix high noon
versed sinew
make her slower whilst dm is up
clever portal
And because of the angle everyone would still die
versed sinew
like rein shield
clever wagon
Make DM drain slightly faster
balmy wolf
i mean as a coach
i'm fine with D.va
because of her role as a damage mitigator in the team
thus very vital
clever portal
That speed thing is a good idea
Maybe she can't activate matrix while flying as well
balmy wolf
.............
remember when Jeff talks about how fans usually resorts to sledgehammer when it comes to balancing?
all of the above options are sledgehammer
versed sinew
dva needs a sledgehammer
clever portal
She needs a buff for solo queue but Nerf for pro
balmy wolf
what do you mean how
you just buff
like now, dive is too strong
buff the counters
this isnt serious btw incase you guys think it is
clever portal
You guys want to hear a joke
Blizzard had the chance to release a proper tank
They released orisa
clever wagon
lets break the game even further
balmy wolf
Orisa is basically OW's version of Heavy Weapon Guy
and I can understand the logic behind it, but Orisa is more suit to defense rather than offense
clever portal
Is fun on Eichenwalde
You sit with your torb symmetra and mercy
And spam the choke
balmy wolf
i personally found her to be cheese as fuck
clever portal
Ez full hold
balmy wolf
funnily you said that
she is only a good tank if you want to go builder route
aka the cheese option
otherwise, she is kind of bad
clever portal
This ones not so bad
One post I saw said that pros play dive because they are one tricks
And if they knew how to play dive counters like Mei/reaper
Dive wouldn't be meta
rapid oxide
Dva DM with dmg cap would be nice
clever wagon
Can we disembowel that guy
balmy wolf
not the worst one tbh
clever portal
I asked how Mei counters Winston/genji
clever wagon
Let's make a thread in r/cow about the most idiotic things dumbfucks can say
But that would be witch hunting 
clever portal
The guy claimed you freeze them
clever wagon
Because I don't intend to redact their name
versed sinew
public humiliation
rapid oxide
Guys sym counter dva because her beam can't be DM lul
1,2 m on panda tv
Why tf they have to viewbot
balmy wolf
the worst ones i've seen for a while is a thread telling people that Genji and Tracer has always been OP and it only took people a year to figure out how OP they are ala some LoL champions
balmy wolf
yeah
supple nymph
clever portal
knotty acorn
The guy chirping in Fullcircle's chat, I see you π
toxic yacht
I'd like a way too see how much matrix she still has remaining tbh
balmy wolf
Or make it more visible
toxic yacht
At the moment it's pretty much impossible to know when matrix is up
toxic yacht
If you'd have a better grasp on it like with rein's shield, you could play around it better
Since pros are so good with dm management, you basically have to assume that it's up all the time
Also, nerfing dva atm would just make everyone run triple dps all the time
She's like, the only thing stopping it from running all over everyone
delicate sparrow
there are plenty of triple dps counters at this point, but they all get hard countered by like one swap or focusing the right heroes
balmy wolf
which are?
delicate sparrow
triple support gets shit on by like one hero swap and lw blue comp is done the second you deal with the mercy
balmy wolf
Mei 
delicate sparrow
it's true I'm gold and use mei to counter genji all the time why don't pros do it
/s
toxic yacht
Your own triple dps
delicate sparrow
@balmy wolf triple support and lw blue comp
toxic yacht
kapppa
delicate sparrow
yes
they're both intended to be triple dps counters
but like I said they get shut down too easy
so running them on defense is like a guaranteed way to lose the second fight
balmy wolf
so they aren't counters then?
delicate sparrow
they are to triple dps, but 1-2 hero swaps shut them down too hard
balmy wolf
they aren't.
delicate sparrow
???
balmy wolf
Please explain to me why triple supports and LW Blue counters triple DPS
delicate sparrow
have we been watching the same apex matches
they are both literally comps designed to deal with triple dps
balmy wolf
How does 3 supports counter triple dps dive
like literally how
you mean the first point in Hollywood where LH ran triple supports and then lost the first team fight? Or KDP with their LW Blue comp that lost first point in Route 66 in second team fight when trying to LW Blue defending it?
π€
delicate sparrow
u know
you guys really like to get super aggro the second anyone says anything you disagree with
everything doesn't have to be a fight
delicate sparrow
moreso reign
balmy wolf
???
delicate sparrow
lw blue is designed to counter triple dps by getting one shot body shots on the tracer and forcing easy 5v6s. if you go back to kdp vs rogue they used it on route 66 and got an easy first point hold, teams soon after this learned how to deal with it
velvet scarab
you guys really like to get super aggro the second anyone says anything you disagree with
everything doesn't have to be a fight
balmy wolf
oh god, the first point hold is after both team has pushed the payload the entire way
delicate sparrow
triple support is designed to keep basically heal through tracer and genji's damage while simultaneously keeping the supports alive
balmy wolf
and KDP didn't use LW Blue comp when defending it
delicate sparrow
it gets shut down by like 1 hero swap tho
balmy wolf
they used LW BLue only the first time around
delicate sparrow
like a mccree or a widow
balmy wolf
which is during Rogue's attack first point
delicate sparrow
it's been a hot minute I don't remember everything about that match tbh so you're probably right but didn't they only get the first point by swapping nico back to d.va
either way
delicate sparrow
yes
but they ran triple dps at first
in that kdp match
lw blue comp is made explicitly to be a triple dps counter
balmy wolf
considering the LW BLue comp is something that made before triple DPS is a thing
it is not an explicit triple DPS counter
same with triple supports
balmy wolf
basically a dive with Mercy/Widow/Zen
clever wagon
I barely watched any LWB game this season
delicate sparrow
lw blue doesn't really run it anyways
balmy wolf
Zen discord + Mercy damage boost + Widow's 120 shots = instafrag squishies
delicate sparrow
those comps are triple dps counters tho
rapid oxide
3 3
clever wagon
That sounds like a real niche pick
balmy wolf
it is
rapid oxide
Reverse sweep?
balmy wolf
Misfits pounded into LK when LK tried that
clever wagon
Then... is it really a "counter" to triple DPS?
delicate sparrow
it's only good against triple dps if they don't know how to deal with it
balmy wolf
that's.....................not a counter then
clever wagon
if they don't know how to deal with it
Well there you go
delicate sparrow
it's like
genji vs winston
winston is a ""counter"" but like
not if the genji knows what he's doing
balmy wolf
nobody prepare strats for dumb opponent. To rely on the "if they don't know how to deal with it" is a foolish gambit and poor planning on whoever doing the strats.
so again, those 2 comps are not good counters.
clever wagon
delicate sparrow
triple support is still good against triple dps
clever wagon
An emoji won't suffice to describe my confusion
delicate sparrow
but literally one hero swap ruins it
clever wagon
OLD ROADHOG SLOWS DOWN DIVE BUT BLIZZ KILLED MY DEAR PIGGY BabyRage
rapid oxide
Discord full of bronze that don't know strats 
delicate sparrow
roadhog didn't even slow down dive really
clever wagon
WE'RE ALL UNRANKED NOW
rapid oxide
/s
balmy wolf
honestly, again
if your heroes picks are only viable if "the enemy does not know what to do against it"
it is not a good counter.
clever wagon
That's not a "counter"
delicate sparrow
that's not exactly what I meant
clever wagon
It just something that works if they're dumb
delicate sparrow
it was a counter early on but teams very quickly learned how to play against it
balmy wolf
Just because you have teams stumble vs Hollywood cheese strat with Torb and Orisa that does not means that Torb and Orisa is a good strats
clever wagon
The same way old Reinhardt 2-2-2 can work against dive in plat ranked. Because very few in plat are smart enough to run dive
delicate sparrow
it worked great in kdp vs rogue but not so much anymore
balmy wolf
"very quickly learned how to play against it" <= then it is not a good counter then
just because it is a flash in a pan does not mean that it is a counter to the over arching meta as a whole
balmy wolf
"there are plenty of triple dps counters at this point, but they all get hard countered by like one swap or focusing the right heroes" <= what you said earlier
those are in present tense.
so pardon me for being "aggro" when your reasonings are basically boiled down to "it worked once in the past against teams that got surprised because of it"
delicate sparrow
I'm not saying there are good triple dps counters, I'm saying there have been a lot of triple dps counters that have massive gaping holes despite initially being pretty good at shutting down triple dps
I've been awake for like 18 hours at this point I didn't exactly word it super well at first
rapid oxide
How much girls holy shet
clever portal
VoHiYo
rapid oxide
Samsara > 
thick cosmos
Contenders matches starts in 30 min
balmy wolf
stream in like 4 hours though
thick cosmos
Yea
clever portal
Hey guys I have an idea
Laser Kittenz vs Misfits is the best game that happens in EU
Let's not stream it
thick cosmos
Maybe because it already got streamed twice
But it would probably be more fun to watch even if it's for the third time
clever portal
At least 
stream all their games
rapid oxide
streaming tournament and scrimming? are you guys serious? no one is doing that
no professional team is doing it
Twitter
this is a good trashtalk
balmy wolf
"Yeah, there were a few actually. A few teams wound up with verbal warnings. Also, I personally disqualified a team. There was a team that was not willing to swap to the right map, so I went into the map and the team was like "oh you're not an admin, you're not Blizzard, what are you doing here?" in all caps. And then they went "idiot, idiot, idiot", and I was like "Okay, you're DQed, sorry bro"."
rapid oxide
is heading to Grandfinals against 
!
balmy wolf
did they 4-1 ahQ?
rapid oxide
yes
clever portal
Flash Wolves now have two recent games to analyze
Imo little chance of Blank winning
rapid oxide
thick cosmos
Vivi's D:
rapid oxide
can't understand the - tho
thick cosmos
Probably just means 0
restive narwhal
I'd also say 0 or maybe even "Couldn't make it" (latter probably won't make sense though) 
thick cosmos
If a team couldn't make it it would probably say 4-0 right away
Like with all of cyclowns matches
rapid oxide
LK 0 - 2 MF 
deep abyss
:monkaS:
restive narwhal
I suppose you're right, tlm. Cheers! 
clever portal
rapid oxide
