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Hammers getting hammered and not the one hammering?
Or is it something else
of course, RNG might just get flunked out of QF and forfeited their spot to Rogue/nV
because that team is RNG as fuck
What happened 
Nice meme
they are already EU though 
the gull has landed
up for 30 seconds 1600 viewers
shadder is really good
i didn't play that game but
looked like liquid played well from my pov
@tough agate they are in Santa Clara at nVidia HQ
all of em iirc
and have Hulk coaching too
so they are playing at more optimal level than before
yeah, I know shadders on NA ping now, didn't know they were all there
I read that as Huk and got scared
apology @tough agate but I'm just going to do a dance for my boy TL now
lolz
@limber pine got mad at NA OW and went back to Blizzard HQ 
seems about right
Kresnik, who is subbing for Dafran today?
roster for most games is Carpe, Sinatraa, Midnight, emongg, Michael3D, and dhaK
me and midnight are swapping in and out
map and team dependent
why would they want Midnight out when he is an off tank?
Emongg playing main tank then?
or rather, Winston?
he's monkeying when i'm out, yeah
you don't seem comfortable on Winston
they're just trying different things to make dive work for us
I don't think my monkey is bad, but the way I learned it on H2K isn't what they want here
ah
well, you can always huddle with Fragi, Cocco I guess. On good-tank-main-but-weak-monkey
doesn't bother me, I'm just glad I have an alright DVA and Zarya in my pocket
though I haven't played zarya in like months 
yeah, she has her places right now
just usually have a rein with her
and being on a team with sinatraa, emongg, and midnight means chances of zarya play are less than zero
yeah lol
Is this gonna be a stomp in LGE's favor?
they had good games against us in qualifiers, TO is a solid team
we'll find out shortly
i played with Luddee for a month between H2K and Selfless and I'm glad he found a good home after red reserve
i suppose
LGE looking so solid
No, just got wiped.
LGE op pls nerf
RIP 
wut was that
pretty sure Toronto knew there was no way they'd win
Almost saved point with a boop
is lgevil vs toronto the 2nd matchup?
yes
immortals won right
yes
my bois
lge 2good
I loved when both flanks on the zen in one map ended with zen killing the flanker
A_
A+*
i ordered some chipotle and am now hoping to watch some damn spicy good ow
big plays pls bois
big plays
@supple nymph 
Who from Fnatic currently has no team?
is anyone interested in having one of their vods analyzed? if so pm me
Oh wait JKap is casting today
Geez
@fluid plank not the channel to do that, #overwatch-serious or #overwatch would be a better fit
@clever wagon okay ty
Yw
"TORONTO GOT A POINT POGCHHAMP"
Btw did they put the laments of free spectator cam into work?
"first point in 3 maps
"
Still a 2-0 lead
s a r c a s m
THIS IS A NO FUN ZONE

Rob420 ripping da bbong
ROB OP
REAPER IN COMPETITIVE SCENE IN 2017 BY JAKE HYPE
TALON LGE
Talon eSports 
they'd kick ass
lol
How do you not take point 1 in Anubis?
srsly
I thought this was going to be a slam dunk for Toronto.
been a while since a draw
Fucking rip
4 MINUTES WORTH OF CHOKING
Not xqcow?
how does it link to his channel lol
meme meta
looks like toronto is waking up
Yeee there it is
lets go rob
Zen bae
e z t e a m f i g h t
LETS GO ROB LETS GO
Train got 2 pulse bomb kills out of camera lul
Avast why drop the beat so early -_-
TRAIN CARRYING
Jake almost pulled a C9
great hold
wow
Goddamn Left Guy hold the KappaPride 's back please
C9 and Hammers 
faze 2 draws
Just how did that happen
memes > dreams?
Team Liquid first on group feelsgoodman
How is Selfless doing without my dad? :/
3-1'd by Team Liquid
Geez C9 is diving extra deep
Snizzlenose DVa is choking hard
Wow what
Hammers???
Are casters high rn?
yes
What the fuck
LETS GO C9 LETS GO
Casters are at an all time high now
c9 LUL
c9
19K viewers 
What the fuck just happened
Adam
What
Was that drop
There was literally nothing
dont
ignore
tracer
...
Hammers is basically LG Evil a few months ago
they are not adjusting well to the meta
BibleThump let hammers win BibleThump
โ
"purple lady face"
oh no he said it
fuck
also that pick
was thicc
whytf did he blade that
Would you say Hammers are getting... hammered?
i know right
TFers with the late Rage
he could just rage when those two were coming out and delay it
@balmy wolf theyre hoping that dva will run of of matrix so they keep shooting in hope
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
also hammer wasted way too many ults
They baited the EMP then went in with 6 ults.
lol xqc
Not hard when you do that. :P
yea
they also stopped it the second time
she said the voice line
but she died immediately
I didn't even notice her get a second one; they were just delaying at that point.
yea the were rigth about to cap
she jumped on point
started the voiceline
then died
kek
Wait... hammers has two teams?
no
ok why do they play 4 maps if its already won at 3
yeah
monkaS
Liquid 4-0 CLG and 2-2 Faze
@short vault think of it as 4 BO1
Snizzlenose put on his carry pants
YIKES 3-1 FNRGFE
Why would they switch off Hog considering how much he was getting done?
that was really bad
somehow Hammers full hold that
after roll got roll
Hammers got 3-1'd every time though
hammers smh
i wonder if they took the map off of every other team in group with their Sombra strats 
no, they won KotH in both series.
Like why is hammers so weak, I get that their ult usage/managment was terrible, but is that the only issue?
is TL fury played today?
๐ KariV is always good even he was in mighty
even i didnt watch, happy for result of koreans, except selfless
I was worried about Carpe. no korean coach like IMT, C9, short time to prepare, a little english.
Kaplan w/ the shots to Dafran lol
who's even the best team in NA right now? it's so hard to tell
SDB really doesn't want to play genji huh
why Faze looking so weak? they was seeding 1.
faze and selfless had their moments but now they're bottom of the groups
outside of Rogue and nv since they havent been playing in NA ina while
then who knows, it always change
it's like rogue/nv, then everyone else
aside from Rogue and nV, no team has really dominated, except Selfless a few months back, but after that they decayed a bit
well, the only strong teams they fought there were Liquid and LGE who are know for not being consistent so
cool to see selfless learning some korean / carpe learning some english
https://twitter.com/KresnikOW/status/876563633500827649
i miss hulk, i wanna see him stream again
all of liquid at the nvidia hq right now?
Yeah
What a coincidence, more and more teams run Hog with dive now
Jamerson with the reverse sweep prediction
Kresnik not playing ๐
Sure is pretty weird this meta
Sinatraa & Emongg carrying hard
yes
Choked
Faze Clan doing what Hammers did earlier
https://twitter.com/PestoEnthusiast/status/876653935251075072 why NA will always be mediocre
Seen a couple of pros mentally throw in the towel re: Koreans. 'We can't possibly beat them, why bother trying?'. This is counterproductive.
Who are these pros?
xQc
Xqcow*
this defense is fucking over Selfless, just like how it fucked with C9
lel
inb4 Koreans play it better lol
@balmy wolf link reddit post pls
Woooo they broke through
emp activated... 10 sec later emp activated
it does worry me that some teams see "import koreans" as the better solution to their problems
Sinatraa holy shit what the fuck is up with this guy
that trade
what did sinatraa do
@clever wagon channel his tilt
If you're not watching then ofc you're missing him just carry-fragging all over the place
He took out mcree
First he broke the Sombra 1st point def through with Pharah
Jason with the flipping burger though lol
Before his ult ff
Then is basically doing the same with Genji for 2nd point
Managing to carry 2 points in a row with 2 different heroes
Yeah makes me wanna play sombra more got damn
sdb not on genji???
That's pretty crazy to me
Emp left & right
Lol that Bastion backline suppressing fire
is bastion a legit OT tactic or is just sin bming?
Sinatraa made the right hero picks for this round tbh
its legit
It's legit
but high risk high reward
Did you see how he had such a big window to just suppress from the backline?
Faze could have hold that point
Fucking flippping burgers man
LUL
yeah, but i didn't saw anyone using aside from Sinatraa, so who knows
even if Faze had barrier i still think they would have found a way to lose
ofc
I want a burger now
Because he had an open space and wasn't countered?
Lol
Seriously why does everything have to be BM
sdb on genji now ok phew
just asking
i have so little faith in (most of) pros that i always expect the least of them
You do you
Loool
As fellow DPS/flex role Carpe and Sinatraa are just outplaying their counterparts as a pair
also, may be my impression, but Lui isn't looking great either
i'm not a pro, but it seems such a easy concept, yet, so many bad ults
It's not such an easy concept
hope it's just fatfinger
not really. I told my team to "not double support ult" and it still happened.
in the heat of moment
it is not easy to be disclipine
In game it just gets to you
hmm, makes sense, but it still makes them look bad
You're constantly on the edge on whether it's the right time to ult
i mean, i panic ult a lot of times, but i'm a plat scrub with little to no practice
tho i guess it's late, and they're tired/not with a great mentality after two OT pushes
Jake just has that right mentality for a pro
Well spoken, articulate, actually smart
Unlike that other meme
(Not Dafran btw)
i just want my TO x CLG finals
and yeah, jakes seems really mature as a pro, and xqc is such a meme that i can't get mad at him
TO.....
they are getting fucked
if they even get to Play off they will get fuck tbh
uhh this sneaky deflect by shadowburn
So I know how hammers can get good. Sign Talespin and Coolmatt lul
or
get a KR coach
they seems to be lacking in that department
Anime fans join up the [PC] looking for group channel
Would Talespin ever play competitively again?
he was subbed liquid. it is possible i think
Oh. I thought he was still a free agent
only sub
he is FA yet
?
@crisp lynx and the rumor is?
sorry i was wrong. fissure is not member of KR team. confirmed by him
no, KR worldcup team
oh ok
and Sayaplayer is not in KR team as well, yeah?
the reveal will be soon though, no?
He said vaguely. Making a quiz. yes it is 3 hour left.
@xQcOW @GrimRealityOW @IMTVerbo @jake_overwatch I said this in protalk but you never made these comments about europeans players being involved in NA
upvote mangachu
How wouldi be able to join an esports team with no experience. Idk how to start? Can anyone help me?
#lf-players-na @karmic lake
kr : ryu, tobi, zunba, mano, flower, sbb
No Miro 
No miro though, which succ, but a solid rein is safer
5 of them is in loser bracket current apex
lul
Sbb Is otp tracer only?
aren't two of the committee members big LH and LW blue fans?
sbb : hog, tracer
Overwatch World Cup 2017
๐ฐ๐ท Team South Korea
Tank:
Mano &
Zunba
Support:
Tobi &
Ryujehong
DPS:
Saebyeolbe &
Flow3r
yes. i don't like it.
Sbb is an amazing hog
yes he was nice as hog againist evermore in apex 2
And probably one of the best tracers, dunno about the rest though
ppl said effect, sbb, birding as kr tracer
The lack of KDP seems kinda eh
yes that's one reason i don't like this pick
They're probably the best team in OW atm
Rascal is inconsistent tbh
i expect birdling at least.
Can't wait USA too
And Canada too
This wc would be amazing imo
No more streamers ๐
Can't wait for the actual team USA to be revealed at the WC minus Sin, Jake, Rawkus and Fact

Didn't team USA win against team Canada?
LUL
The game was a joke
What are your ideals pick polo?
Gods 6 times
Grim, Gods i love to
Wait what, Saebyeolbe has never flown before?
Last WC was basically LH
In the team reveal, he said he's never been in airplane since he was born
not really too surprising
My 24 yo friend never fly nor took a plane. What's wrong with that?
Sure, but I'm not going to pretend that it's not an interesting detail about SBB especially given the context
1v1 jehong vs tobi :p
Mmm
Tobi... has good aim
meccurรฌ
No KDP u_u
All of em?
No Miro is surprising af.
also interesting DPS duo
Never really felt that Flower did stand out
That's beyond interesting
Literally one of the best DPS pair in SK
If anything, more consistent than EscA/ArHaN for last year
always felt that was more sae then flower though, but no need to split them if not needed i guess
well being more consistent then esca aint exactly worth a prize >_>
no KDP, 1 member AFB, 5 member out of 6 is in loser bracket in apex
tobi was tracer user, even he is famous for Lucio now. he has good aim
Still weird not to pick miro imo. With Tobi and Ryehong as supports, there synergy would have been way better
I think Mano is better than him recently. i don't want to see 4+ LH.
if meta does not change, miro is good choice. but who know
Miro Winston is exceptional but his Reinhardt is not
Rather than risk it, better to have as many hero pools as possible
Do we know the substitutes?
and i guess, and it is nice to see some change from default LH comp
aha fair enough
#freemyniqqadafran
i thought they were allowed to have 2 just in case like flowers armwrist >_>
Dead, shit, rotten, prehistoric meme
as i know commitee can change member later, but it's not sub.
is there any overview of the teams announced so far for the world cup?
Ah, was just on the wrong page apperently
or nvm teams not there yet
over.gg dont appear to have added the event yet
then it's hard to find info this time.
dawh oh well
A small teaser from my upcoming interview with winz. Hope you enjoy and watch out for the full-thing. It covers multiple topics throughout his career, from UT2004 to current days. :P
https://twitter.com/RadoNonfire/status/876797260801224708
Ahh Winz
well taimou have been having issues for months from what i got from his twitter, apex is just on top of everything else
and envys hotel looked nice in the tour in the youtube vid they had
It's not the matter of whether the hotel is a 5 star or whatever
Which youtube vid btw
Come along as we follow a few of our Overwatch pros through their day as they prepare for OGN Season 3 in Korea *Please help our videos reach everyone by con...
wake up at 11 am is a really bad habit
'Cause I don't think there are any other video featuring their place
And if so, that's not Korea
That's their apartment in the US
I'm a morning person myself
Can literally never wake up past 8
yup that one
Even if I slept at 4-5 AM
yeah i misinterpreted the vid description
i see that it is in US now
i watched it when it was released so i just vaguely remembered it.
Besides, I don't think they would afford a hotel that's nearly as homely as that apartment
If we're going by Rogue, since they showed their place in Korea (saw it in unkoe's stream), they probably only have 1 bedroom for each member, and the PCs are all in the living room
You might say Selfless' arrangement is similar but theirs is an actual house
Not seen their place
Watch any of the member's stream
Only watched Dafrans
Emongg or Sinatraa
but yeah i'll keep an eye up for any of them that arent sinatraas >_>
I've watched him several times now and I can vouch for Kresnik and Emongg
heard good things about the rest of the team
well obviously excluding dafran but that goes without saying
He's by no means a very outspoken guy like Emongg, or a common stream personality, but he's not toxic
Dafran's not toxic, just immature
well he have a tenancy to yell up his team mates.
Fuckin' xQc and Kephrii can be worse than those 2 at their worst
more toxic then for instance Qxc i'd say
Qxc is very meme about his toxcity not really making it any better but oh well
Because it's excusable for memeing purposes amirite
shame af. he is a good streamer
btw, the WC only allows a 6-man roster? seems weird they wouldn't put a sub
got it, just seems weird, at least i hope that means flow3r is ok of his wrist injuries

I hope Rogue beats KR
we'll see
Rogue definitely have experience going up against all these guys' team
so it will be at least interesting to see how this turns out, assuming Rogue will take it seriously
and not pull a USA
I'm fine with anything but rogue winning :] we'll see whos on top of the meta in nov though
Rogue probably should win for the sake of keeping up with the KR though
Honestly like it it is now, apex might even be considered a harder leauge then world cup
so i'm gone be suprised if korea dont win for sure
i hardly enjoy watching eastern teams at all and it pisses me off ๐ฆ
mind you, KR scene is also in a flux
with lower tier teams disappaered
which is not unlike of US' situation a month back
right now having something like OW Contenders for the NA/EU teams is immensely helpful because they will have chances to play together
OW contenders is really good, but i just havent managed to get hyped for it
i mean some of the result so far is pretty left field
TL first place in group A 
IMT went 11-1 in their group 
C9 ended the day with 1-1-1 
๐จ๐ณ Team China has been revealed, it was announced on an event earlier today.
Shy (support)
Eileen (DPS)
YaoyYao (tank)
mg (tank)
uNdeAD (DPS)
5King (support)
dont know even one of them lol
and I welcome you to how China run their shit 
garbage
Really? Why so?
I saw a tweet by Jake saying people should stop complaining about Korean imports because that's accepting inferiority as a region or something along those lines
he is right tho
My guess is Immortals and/or Cloud9 stomped everyone
not quite
more like xQC whining
after Yikes getting rekt by Immortals 4-0
whoever picked these matches clearly didn't anticipated that how loopsided they would be
IMT 4-0 Yikes
C9 3-1 Hammers
Selfless 3-1 Faze
LG Evil 4-0 Toronto eSport
the funniest part of yesterday though @pine star?
got last seed while
got first seed, so of course
have to be first place in Group A while
is last in group 
Off stream? Are you kidding me?
while
are somehow first in group of death in D
even last night's
vs
was weird
3-1 for
but somehow
full hold R66 with defensive Sombra
Which matches were streamed?
said earlier
you missed moments like Kariv having 5 fucking transendences in a round
2 of them in the same team fight 
granted, a long team fight, but still
"Kariv won't do well because he'll be on a new team and a new role"
- Some fool

oh, and xQC went on to a salt fest and deleting his reddit comments because he was salty that IMT got 5 KRs and YIKES got him 
Smh
Dident hammers do really well on takeover on r66 as well?
they did
which like I said, the mystifying part
C9 have no idea how to deal with Sombra dive
it is more of an EU strat
Faze ran the same thing, which was working right up until the end where Sinatraa channel his tilt and unclogged the point for Selfless

why koreans are better at games https://twitter.com/EnVy_HarryHook/status/876773210812932102
@RzEFFECT @EnVy_KyKy @EnVy_cocco @Mickie_PP The true gamer https://t.co/P50vSXd03s
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that gym is shite
indeed, no PCs
better than mine for sure >_>
Oh yeah, the Sinatraa hard carry
Loved watching it
First point stuck -> carried with Pharah
Second point stuck -> carried with Genji
it will remains to see how much he can carry next week
Both times not on his usual comfort pick like what the fuck just happened LUL
I hope it keeps happening
When it's needed
I hope that Team Liquid still bootcamping for at least another week though 
or at least have a team house
since now Shadder and Fury is in NA
and they looked like they worked on people off stream
2 Trans back to back
like how
he must have landed a stupid amount of balls for that shit
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I can feel the sarcasm
I find it amusing how it's a spanish org with a spanish twitter but the team only has one spanish player
Movistar Riders ๐
from the thread where sdb deflected carpe's ult
Polos sarcasm is 2stronk
rip 2stronk
U_U
best lg roster to ever exist
Lol why is xQc so toxic towards Hulk...
xQc is toxic to everybody it looks
I guess he never heard about what happened to Dafran?
he hasn't been throwing on stream while playing catgirl hentai trash with a meh artstyle dating sims and encouraging his viewers to throw for him
all while calling themselves the OW ISIS
But he's showing a lot of immaturity. Wasn't really trying to say he's doing what dafran is doing
Dafran is just a pussy tbh
"i dont give a fuck but that would hurt my team mates and org"
so you give a fuck afterall
Dafran is just a special snowflake troll
xQc is toxic and not even good at doing it
I think he's just crazy
He livestreamed his troll sessions and honestly thought blizzard woudn't intervene
Crazy^
well, judging by the fact taht he's been doing that for ages + ster streamed himsef throw until he was in bronze
yeah, he was pretty right when he didn't expect any respone
the only reason why blizz intervened is because of how much attention it got
Feels like Blizz's plan is to have APEX be OWL for KR. Fits my prediction that we would wind up with several regional top leages (like LoL). https://t.co/V1ZWorLnJc
mfw csgo dh have x10 of OW viewership 
and its not KR dominated 
https://worldcup.playoverwatch.com/en-us/#group-stage ALL THE PLAYERS ON WORLD CUP ANNOUNCED
Press the โน
Zebbo rein tviq cwoosh chip manneten
Not full Misfits
fragi kynnel taimou zuppeh linkzr zappis
Cwoosh and Chips wooo
who's NORGAK on Russia?
oops, wrong link
oooh yeaaah http://i.imgur.com/ALJ7KhL.png
Cocco 
Australia is blank
lit
Crusade Flex?
That should be interesting
UK: ChrisTFer, Kruise, Smex, MikeyA, Boombox, Realxz
no Kyb, just like what Kruise said
what a surprise
No Stylosa 
Mikeya instead of Kyb REE
veineless ๐
Brazil is BGH
afaik they didnt want kyb on uk
cantus lul
also, hulk is playing?
Fuck ys
fuuuuuck
yessssss
dude someone argued with me the otherday that Cantus is NZ is alright
and use over.gg ranking as proof

https://puu.sh/woHad/4ce0796b47.png Russia is lowkey stacked
Fuck me
thats at lineup
only NORGAC Is the unknown one
dude
Unfixed and Forsak3n are ๐
Austria: No Sojum 

are you surprised?
Poland is too far away fuck
feelspolandman
tfw you was in Australia 
i should fly to australia for italy but no ty
i think Australia=Blank btw
and make sense
Yep
not sure if it got posted already but this is interesting https://www.over.gg/4549/korean-open-division-integrated-with-road-to-apex
as Pesto pointed out, maybe APEX will be the KR OWL
4400$ prize for 1st

APEX will be the KR OWL. OGN is doing such a good job that to cast them out would be Blizzard doing the same thing in Starcraft vs KESPA
rip the genji carry
Shadder has said that he wouldn't participate
but i dont like different name for the same things. my ocd is kicking it already 
all of the prizes are from OGN though
not from Blizzard
meanwhile ESL is running the Open League
b&t
Fischer tho 
SNG + Fischer
mmmm
Hardest group is probably H
H and B
Winghaven on tank in Team Spain though
Wing "I can't get past Diamond" Haven
isn't there any other Spainish main tank?
?
Spain in the same group as japan
RIP spain
why?
wait, japan is good?
Winghaven is ok isn't he? he also played last year on spain
since when?
stuck on elo hell or decayed 
Well, its known that japanese people are like koreans, pro people and all
But i was joking, im not an expert in international teams
....................
i think china is better than japan tbh
i remember Winghaven having good moments, so
Japan has one of the worst pro scene in existence. China is even better than them.
Seriously?
i see
thus explained why their pro scene is kind of shit
also
Finland is Taimou, ZuppehW, Zappis, LinkZr, Kyynel, Fragi
another stacked line up
that sweden roster is a real 
nip with good dps lol
NiP with good dps
So, from your knowledge, which team has the best chance to win?
manneten and reinforce over nevix and cocco

Korea
that's true sprite hahaha
like zappis?
Reinforce is better on Winston while also good on Reinhardt
so yeah
Zappis is underrated as a flex tbh
he carried on time during NIP vs GO
Japan is SunSister
Who are doing terribly in OPC
They just recently beat detonator
which is their fellow countryman's team
so yeah
both Japan teams are at the bottom of OPC
We sat down with Noah Whinston and Tricia Sugita of the Esports team, Immortals, to get their perspective on the state of Esports from E3 2017. Catch up on E...
who would you rather have on spain than winghaven @balmy wolf
prob gonna say same shit
Spain is kind of fucked because there's no other main tank option
and Winghaven has been team bouncing for months now
ever since eUnited kicked him out
uk should lend them some
"Overwatch is going to be the top tier esport in the next gen" Love noah 
or sharyk/chris
pretty happy with our team tho
apart from dps lacking a bit
don't think kruise/mikeya is a great duo
seen anything saying why?
i mean im sure one of them could flex
Kruise hasn't shown anything other than Genji
might not be the optimal lineup tho
dps wise
yeah but would you rather have kruise 1trick genji or kyb 1trick genji
Kyb obviously
tbf, Kruise just finished second in a LAN with eUnited (the 2nd finish curse strike again)
so he is not sneeze
but if the meta changes to anything that is not Genji required
yeah hes not bad
group h actually could be really close
Funny how the best dps in the UK are all Genji mains
i feel like a lot of those teams are pretty even
didnt realzx dps on old nwa?
i was basing them not being garbage on the fact i vaguely heard of an all isreal team doing well in a tourney once ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ













