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sinatraa is really going to have to carry hard lol
KR bootcamp 
carpe is a god
TeC got a map off LK not Misfits
he's gonna have to carry more than sinatraa
Left guy and his fucking pen, like he has something to write lul
probably
@blazing parrot they had Carpe though
oh selfless vs faze feelsbad
@balmy wolf yeah. Mistyped
will be even more interesting then
Carpe arrived yesterday
so they have a day to practice
and presumably some KR phrase to communicate 
LMAO
lul
Carbon Entertainment still in NA after all
lolz
lol
gustav sombra over dids
lol
dam that melee
holy shit
[Live] Overwatch Contenders - Season Zero - EU Groups: Esporati vs Team Expert - Clipped by j0zen
i just saw this

yeah, gull is done streaming
feelsbadman
aw man
I was hoping that dids would carry them to 3-2 :(
riperino
D:
forget what's the next match
@drowsy arrow anubis widow was so nutty my friend 
it really was
thanks โค
your flicks ๐ฉ๐

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are the matches being good today? i kinda lost interest in the Movi x Cyclo
veine got focused so hard lol
oh snap
Draw = point for both teams
The only time there's a tiebreaker is if 2 teams are tied in map score at the end of the 2 legs
of course the dids replay
that was nutty
NIP vs GO โ
time to preemptively light a candle for NIP
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not even gonna watch this one :/
I already know how it'll end, no point in doing it and crying
only one ninjas team in the group 
NWA is not going to get out of that group
so Hafficool will forever be mid tier
http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=4677&l=6950 Former wNv players Bdosin, Dding, Curious has been accepted to Kongdoo. It isn't...
Nvidia HQ
go Team Liquid
was there ever a doubt about nip
NIP PLAYING TANK
MY HEART
what is linkzr really good at again?
everything apparently
trying to be tviq 2.0 :^)
cant wait to see shadder tear up the NA ladder
well that's a given
his sword strikes will actually register now
now only shadowburn is missing
Team Liquid in nVidia HQ and playing tmr from that 
too bad that sdb will have to play NA contenders wtih a 200 ping
wat
Linkzr is playing for Hymzi
NA pulse bomb lol
NIP COMPLETED THE MAP
WUT
this ult exchange 
@toxic yacht you watching this?
am I dreaming?
nope, not watching it
wtf
that was lucky as hell
and now they got point A capped
2:44 mins for 2 other point
2 more teamfights
thought so
HOLY SHIT
THEY CAN DEFEND THIS
yeah
NIP TOOK THE FIRST MAP
saw the tracer and the rest regrouping and I knew
@toxic yacht WATCH THIS SHIT
that was mildly disappointing

it is doable for sure, but not what I expected from NIP
lijang
yeah ok
they didn't cap the point quickly enough
c'mon
Zappis on Pharah 
FRAGI
Is that a pro Reinhardt?
ZAPPIS KEPT GETTING CONCUSSION KILL
OG LIBERO
What the fuck was that from GO's D.va
they keep trying to run using the bridge of death vs pharah
Blade and dash off the point 
Zappis actually doing works on here
Fragi botched another earthshatter....
everyone just spamming Q
Fragi is like Reinforce on crack
including the earthshatters
well
HOW DID HE GOT ANOTHER ONE
NiP needs to stick to 2-2-2 or 3T. Fragi is too good on Rein.
DUDE, THAT WAS ONE TEAM FIGHT
the funny thing is NIP is running 2/2/2
WTF
these shatters
lmao
he just walked past the barrier
and tried to shatter him
NIP doing works 
next level rein tactic
the
reinforce also did this vs hammers iirc
sombra
lmao
usually you can speedboost and do that
sombra is pretty good on this stage
but it is not reliable
Fragi up to another earthshatter 
WHAT IS THIS
or GO throwing
wtf
anyone else see how close tracer was to d.va in the victory screen
tfw Hymzi was the problem 
tfw EU dived so much they forgot how to play tank 
tfw NIP is on upward rising again 
Dixy chose his name just to force commentators to say it.
@toxic yacht https://puu.sh/wmVV1/646fa885f1.png
lmfao
triple DPS with Reinhardt 
WHAT
Zuppeh on Ana 
lmao
fragi vs the entire team
geezus
3-0
OH MY GOD
Fragod
no excuses
RIP Cyclowns
OH MY GOD
wow so close
tactical c9
wtf I take a shit and it's 4-0
ikr @toxic yacht
BB GUN KITTENS
Munchkin and Claris 
old news
lit
Were there some subs between the first round and now?
No?
first hold on hanamura 
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yes
what is going on with misfits
hi
hello
just got on, how was the viewership?
oh wow
im gonna watch the vod
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Did Linkzr play? @balmy wolf
Yes
Apparently hydration made a new account with some random letters and numbers as a name and climbed to #7 playing genji
Lul
note the poster's name
what happened to the e sport voice channel?
not sure.. i never really used it tbh
How bleak is Overwatch eSports today? KonCha VoHiYo
Cyclowns disband http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spvagm
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Sadly after 5 months of being org-less and players receiving endless offers from top tier teams, we have decided to call it a day.
Rip
rip
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tfw they left their org and now this 
well, boombox and mow decided to go with their offers
the team started underperforming after that and they still didn't get an org
no surprise that they'd just disband after getting so many offers and shit not working out
man, old ow was weird af
double flanking high noon wot
also, nico mccree
has science gone too far?


best meta was double winston double tracer
infinite shield
there's not any best meta
people complain already on dive
and that was the best meta
for a lot of people
best meta is when pros aren't very lazy and try out more, which happened a few times, mostly in a space of time after big changes
then it becomes the same ol boring thing, barely no one tries anything
west are too pussies that when they try something new they gave up
while koreans try junkrat
the first that tried sombra in 2cp
etc...
that's why west will never be as good as koreans
because they are fucking lazy
and then they come cry "huehue kr too gut :c"
i always thought it was because westerners dont want to practice 16 hours a day 7 days a week because that's insane but in KR that is the norm
people like to forget that
coL ;-;
while everyone wanted buffs and refused to use her, coL figured out how to play around her in the most basic sense
although they didn't think of using her defensively
actually, all hybrid maps
but only hybrid
and mostly on first point
they stuck to it on the entire map on KR, swapped halfway through holly and we never saw them finish eich with sombra
iirc
first time they played her (and the first time we saw her professionally) was actually on eichenwalde vs NiP, when the crashes started
Yeah Koreans started playing Sombra way later
they did it better though
and on more maps
but people always like to forget coL :(
they ran her what, 2 weeks after her release?
I mean even besides coL Sombra on Anubis in particularly is an old West thing
Her expanded use is more recent though
coL used her pretty much as soon as she was out
i dont forget who use sombra
anyway
groups on contenders need to make more matches?
wot
ahh
right?
holy shit
I forgot about that
I really didn't consider what's going to happen now

are they just gonna act like cyclowns never existed? or take one of the teams that made it to the ro16 and just have them play 3 matches?
hek
liquipedia say 4.37
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sadly i think ill assume tl and over.gg are more accurate than blizzard for their own tournament
it's probably the ones that are being streamed vs the ones that aren't
and other garbage
it's at 1 am for me
which is in like, 7 and a half hours
if that was the case it would be the other way around- matches would show times before blizzard's stream time
lol
i hope some of the players stream
wait are the players allowed to stream group stage?
yep they can stream anything for this season
with a 3-min delay of course
not many teams taking advantage of that for some reason though
strats too secret i guess
Cyclowns will most likely just finish contenders together and then go their separate ways
rekt
@supple nymph you are kind of wrong in that aspect
it is not just merely about practicing more
not merely but doesnt it have a lot to do with it?
Runaway practices only 4 hours per day
which is the same as an NA amateur team
didn't stop them from being 2nd in APEX
do the individual players practice any more on top of that?
mostly comp, but that's up to individual
and also the environment of APEX encourages more diversity because you have days to practice
and days to prepare a careful plan vs anyone
meanwhile in NA everyone play in tournament style
which make people focus more on playing around the meta with few improvisation
because there's no time to make plan of making specific plans for anyone
except practicing and hope that your execution > their execution
and maybe some on the fly adjustment at best
wont be surprised if they announce literally everything about OWL during Blizzcon to build hype
just a random thought
old....news?
twist: blizzcon 2018
ik
its old news
for people that doesnt know
if you search i was the first telling it
im not retarded lmao
All the people that come to this channel regularly will know already
so you're saying the belief that koreans practice more than NA/EU is completely false?
and everything over the years that says different is wrong
it is not false, but it is kind of falsely attributing and fetishized.
"oh the KR are better because they practice more"
dude, have you seen their comp environment?
they have a deep access to talent pool because they are in a midst of a hugely populated region where OW can easily be access (asia and PC bangs)
and also everyone in the top watch pro matches
so they want to play like pros
and that foster talents even more so than just "practice time"
perfect practice make perfect.
meanwhile in NA you have only 10 percent of the population watching pro play, and in comp everyone is picking their own shit in the spirit of "I'm an American, I'll do it my way"
poor practice environement to foster talent + low population involvement + wrong mind set = NA OW
NA will always be the shittest region in esport

of course, lack of proper coaching as well
it is kind of weird but even amateur NA team really repulsed at the notion of someone coaching them
just had someone yelled at me for being "annoying" because during their tryouts I suggested to run some D.va/Winston dive
erm......you realized i'm the trial coach, right?
...
a lot of team are players run, which is only fine up until a point
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someone did say in a thing recently coaches in KR are treated more like the leader
while in NA you're treated as someone on the player level
like it's a flat hierarchy
Monte and Huk in Oversight iirc
either way, NA OW will only rise up if people get their head out of their asses from a systemic level
which won't happening anytime soon
tonight's games though
Group A looked suddenly stacked now
@supple nymph stream is offline gg lol
Selfless with Carpe, Team Liquid with Fury and Shadder2K in NA, and Faze with the new roster
they updated the website like 5 minutes ago and now it actually has the correct time
so good for blizzard
so unless you check TL you probably thought the stream started 30 mins ago
you get the impression watching the scene the management for most teams is terrible
so i guess it starts at the top
kinda hard to change it with that happening
https://www.overwatchcontenders.com/match/details/59450c4a2746de423cc9d4b1 Blizzard gave YGGP a new logo it seems
Introducing Overwatch Contenders - the development league for aspiring Overwatch League professionals, kicking off in summer 2017 in North America and Europe. Season Zero of Overwatch Contenders will be an open signup, online-only tournament with a USD $50,000 prize pool per region.
Introducing Overwatch Contenders - the development league for aspiring Overwatch League professionals, kicking off in summer 2017 in North America and Europe. Season Zero of Overwatch Contenders will be an open signup, online-only tournament with a USD $50,000 prize pool per region.

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their logo is getting worse and worse
i think i could make that logo better on paint
the YGGP logo was so good also
@rapid oxide https://clips.twitch.tv/ArtsyDarkHedgehogBibleThump
a bunker where Blizzard bring in potential investors of OWL

have there been any new investors since the first 2 they announced?
maybe
shadder is in the US now
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I'm not gonna be awake to see this, but I hope that liquid actually performs
well, I'm not predicting anything rn
JAKE is getting the hubris'd though. He was liking the group because to him it was the easiest group
and now this
FaZe 1-1 Liquid
Selfless 0-2 CLG
Tempo 0-3 Yikes
1-1 now
also, brb checking up on liquid
said that already
selfless gonna get swept by clg?
rip tempo
yeah i was talking about lge there
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but i said liquid's score before that
ah, there
then you just say "faze 1-1 liquid" 30s later
didn't see that you wrote 1-1
Hammers 1-1 RNG
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Hammers in NA

Score line so close rn
except tempo vs yikes
but everyone else
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Immortals 2 - 0 FNRGFE 
https://www.twitch.tv/fragiow fragi streaming if anything
Contenders Season Zero North America | Group Stages Prize Pool: $50,000 USD --- ### Links Streams: [Overwatch...
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i meant some pov from contenders reign... hahah ๐
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sefless without dafran is helpless
they were a bit inconsistent even before his departure
i love the experience of refreshing a scoreboard they should just not bother streaming the rest of the matches
that's odd
I really want hammers to tie with rng
:c
Im so fucking mad they didnt stream FaZe vs Liquid though
IMT 3-1 FNRGFE
Evil 3-1 EnVision
shadder vs shadowburn wouldve been hype
but tbh i wanted to see the C9 rivalry match against kngarna
LET'S GO LIQUID
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LET'S GO LIQUID
thanks @copper hill
pretty old though lol
i haven't been on this server for like 6 months at least
does the camera thing on the schedule for some mean they're gonna stream it?
cause if so I want to see if the toronto vs lg one
what schedule?
Introducing Overwatch Contenders - the development league for aspiring Overwatch League professionals, kicking off in summer 2017 in North America and Europe. Season Zero of Overwatch Contenders will be an open signup, online-only tournament with a USD $50,000 prize pool per region.
yeah
o shit ye
gotta make sure I don't get distracted before that then lmao
CLG and Selfless still 2-0
Drawnamura indeed
Hammers get 3-1'd
while Kungarna draw with C9
Aww they're not streaming?
Is contenders stream live in 30min? not sure cause timezones nd shit
yea know that one
They chose kinda bad match to stream
I mean theres not too many playerss to follow
I feel like it would be a lot more efficient if they made the Korean learn english words rather than making the 5 american guys learn korean words @balmy wolf
could be for both
or just stop outsourcing
and lol "not too many players to follow"
Seagull flunked out already. All of these guys watching are hardcore fans
so most people will know who's who
C9 1-0 RNG
5HERNG
Theres no point in that lol @balmy wolf
Just teach the korean english
The other option is just ridiculous
ideally, yes? Realistically, who knows. It is their team.
It's much easier because 1. They're in america, having someone there to teach them korean would be a lot harder than having literally anyone teach carpe english. and 2. Its much easier and more efficient to make 1 person learn some phrases than have 5 people learn some phrases
unless it's immortals and they have more KR than non-KR
I think 99% of people watching are doing it bc they are genuinly interested
the memes are gone
a friend of a friend is playing in it so I want to watch that one
tbh, only Hammers x C9 seems interesting
maybe Yikes can give a run for IMT's money, but who knows if that will come from Yikes skill or IMT flailing
all 4 matches are interesting tbh
so many storylines
Selfless with Carpe
Faze with new roster
Selfless without dafran ;DDD
i forgot Carpe, tho i still dislike selfless
i kinda like them
the top 2 from each group proceed correct
yep
Outside of Dafran's shenanigans, Selfless and Rogue are the "heel" teams I'd always welcome
the NA tables?
Kresnik is chill tho
CLG & FaZe Group A
TN Esports & Evil Group B
Yikes & IMT Group C
Renegades & Kungarna Group D @short vault
top 2 each group
thank u my dude
Kresnik is chill tho
that board is for carpe btw
no, just set up weird I think
oh alright
i feel weird being called the heel team sometimes, especially since that stigma comes almost exclusively from sin now
so how's Carpe learning all those phrase?
i mean, dafran left his mark with his meltdown, that's sure, but the majority of the team now is all pretty positive in terms of everything
maybe dhak gets tilted in ranked sometimes but ๐
he's learning well, he had a grasp on the language before coming out, he's just associating stuff he didn't already know in the game
plus some of our weirder calls like 'ape shit' 'spoon' and specific location calls
maybe it's the lack of heels (or storylines i guess), so whoever fits closer
what the hell is "spoon" mean
it's really dumb LOL, it was our call to instantly regroup on an area
people couldn't get it in their heads the normal way
so now dhak just yells SPOON PAYLOAD when they need peel on cart
lool
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That is awesome. Gotta love those weird plays
Spooning together

ye was wondering too
its that
lol
copyright
ginger76
Yikes watched KDP it seems
casters and their puns
lul "called him a mercy main one too many times"
Agilities putting on his carry pants
has to
Kariv got second trans in a minute
yea well he dealt like 900 dmg to winston there
yea a little
that graphic transition from att to def looked slick
he is hitting every shots
carbon does good production
YIKES tried to be KDP
These ow streams are next level compared to most cs streams
after seeing KDP running that vs LH
NA rez
NA mercy
casters fault 100%
Caster curse indeed
2cp LUL
yeah, scary
basically 1 every other team fights
which is pretty fast considering how slow Trans built
he must got high balls accuracy
he knows how to use those damn balls
LG Evil 3-1 Envision
RNG 2-1 C9 
lul
these guys are great imo
Left Guy is kind of adored for that
it's great, he could've been easily just another thing for twitch chat to shit on
WHAT
lul
thats fast
watch me get tilted that RNG qualifies instead of HAM and then they throw hard in the QFs
surefour not recovered from showmatch yet 
CLG 1-0 Faze 
surefour : (
$? at the bottom of the group
feelsbad
that's what i'm talking, you can't get hyped, you can only try to anticipate which team will throw this time, like they take turns
PHARMERCY BATTLES
putting Kariv on Mercy is a waste
POGCHHAMPP
how did that hit winston
falcon punch
thought shield was there
Space basically running a xQC personal defense service
2CP
S T A L L
time for casters to thorw some puns
DANTEH
oasis plz
and this is the first point...
nobody noticed Space DM the shit out of Danteh
WHAT IS GOING ON
THE FOREVER WAR
FINALLY
reign how are u in protalk?
leaking starboard monkaS
there's a channel where they post highlights from protalk called starboard
it is not pro talk 
there are a billion people in pro talk that shouldn't be anyways
unless they finally cleaned it out
cant wait
rip kariv
LOL
xqthrowc
remember when he said michael3d cant play the game
kariv switching to ana was a good call but it was too little too late
yes
LOOOL
IMT will get this
hope so
and yes they did
this match is really just "can immortals kill gingerpop before he gets a 3-4 man res"
and kariv glowing
IMT C9'd
got it back pretty easily
no sweat there
Ginger just died like 4th time in row at the beginning of the teamfight
llul
draw made both team got a point
according to the contenders website
ah that makes sense
so neither team got a % on 2cp?
IMT actually was smart let Yikes cap the point and won that team fight.
neither got 33%
because they had Blade and Trans to fight back
Yikes is playing around rez so much that it is funny to watch
but IMT played around so it
Am I the only one who thinks zp is annoying? :d
Yeah don't know how they got here tbh
seagull starts his evening streaming in 50 mins
then goes for 3.5 hours
I wonder if he'll siphon viewers or not
oh he will
Sea "i will stream during a tournament because I want to help the scene" Gull
we mocked him routinely for that shit in here
2cp lets go
hope not!
Are they in NA yet?
IMMORTALS
nVidia?
TL is boot camping in nVidia head quarter
ahh
which is Santa Clara
basically
the quicker Yikes getting their teeth kicked in, the better for my sanity
Yikes putting all their eggs into the Pharmercy basket
i love how they hyped that kinda jokingly "HOW MANY HEROES NEVER DIE?"
6 ult vs 3
6 ults
when u think ur gonna save the push but you just stagger your d.va and feed 750 ult charge
Zza getting cucked
both of them blew their loads
IMT could just win off of the EMP

there we go
just EMP after EMP
...yikes
welp
@clever wagon
?
Lul
1 push and it didn't work
even if they lose this fight it doesn't matter
yikes isn't gonna full hold a tick
Kariv would just put on his carry pants and Widow that point
lolz
what is this comp coming out of Yikes
holy shit this was our strat LOL
idk if we came up with it, but sinatraa suggested it randomly against tempo forever ago and it was great
it is a risky strat to me
gimmicky and only work one or two times
you never want to be that close
and IMT is getting the second point
and IMT is getting the third* point
should have save the sound barrier there
I honestly expected more from YIKES! but maybe not
YIKES got hyped up when there's a power void from Rogue
Hammers 3-1'd by Kungarna

at least Hammers got one map
2-6
:c
C9 vs Hammers 
why the sadness for hammers? did they ever do good?
i don't think they ever won a significant tourney, but they're still pretty good
Hammers did won a LAN
when there was an EU drought
and they have potential
They dominated that LAN
And were a very dominant team during the tank meta
Have now fallen off a little but transferred into Dive quite nicely
Also I just really like them
have been following them for ages
i know some from Hammers are in LA
but are all of their player in NA?
Yikes relies too much on 1v1s to win. Was sad watching so many people just walk away from their engagements with like 50 or less health.
BYE YIKES!








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