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clever wagon
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Lol

red anvil
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they really need to make it harder to derank

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you dont go from GM to bronze in one day skill wise

clever wagon
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Ah, it's this again.

delicate sparrow
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you don't go from gm to bronze in one day period

clever wagon
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I had him blocked but I just have to see.

delicate sparrow
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that's like 200 games

balmy wolf
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tell that to those Mercy mains ThinkingSombra

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clearly they have improved in one day HYPERLUL

wary falcon
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you don't go from gm to bronze in one day period

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you can

smoky hinge
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The T-mobile Ca vs US was a joke

delicate sparrow
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if your mmr is garbage sure

smoky hinge
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just watched the vod

delicate sparrow
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but you have to like actively throw

clever wagon
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Garbage MMR + downright Dafraning

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Otherwise that's very unlikely

wary falcon
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I know symmetra main

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who was around 500 SR before boost

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he returned from 3700 to 1k in 1 day

delicate sparrow
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mmr

wary falcon
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he was hella tilted

balmy wolf
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natural selection? lol

delicate sparrow
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a bronze player getting dropped back to bronze makes sense, but a gm having a bad day and getting down to bronze is pretty much impossible. after a certain point they lose like 2 sr per game

balmy wolf
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dive with Hanzo is now popular apparently

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basically dive with Widow

glad chasm
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@balmy wolf road isn't your classic dive comp. Doesn't mean a team that is clearly superior can't play it and have success vs a team that's not even close to being on their level. There's clearly a disconnect with you and reality.

balmy wolf
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rip SBB

wary falcon
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good ol' roadhog-dive discussion

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i missed it

crisp lynx
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hanzo new meta

wary falcon
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hanzo always was in meta (use sonic arrow on the start and repick)

balmy wolf
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@glad chasm feels free to search if I ever said something like "Roadhog is a true dive pick" or something equally silly like that

delicate sparrow
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so do we have to have this argument every week now or what

balmy wolf
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especially when I noted that it is more stylistic than anything

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since he is not a dive tank

delicate sparrow
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you both literally agree with each other, you're just wording it differently and wanna insult each other for no real reason

glad chasm
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That'd be like a GM smurfing into gold/plat level games and playing offensive torb or junk and then calling it meta because a clearly superior player smashed some lower tier comp

wary falcon
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HEY

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we played offensive torb on 4200 avg

glad chasm
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Ok ok. Offensive sym?

wary falcon
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for a half-season

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i can try

balmy wolf
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wtf

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Even the casters don't know what a C9 is...

delicate sparrow
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lw blue has looked pretty bad on defense all season tbh

balmy wolf
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you saying, @delicate sparrow ?

delicate sparrow
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I have no idea what your point possibly is reign

glad chasm
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Lol

delicate sparrow
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but it's not that deep

glad chasm
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Dude just wants to argue

clever wagon
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MLG said there is just no way a dive would be run with hog, ever, on that date

balmy wolf
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^

clever wagon
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When Reign has been saying it's stylistic from the beginning

delicate sparrow
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I'm muting all 3 of you I can't live like this

glad chasm
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Noooo

balmy wolf
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this is some level of ThinkingSombra right here

wary falcon
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we need another text channel to discuss about important things like diving roadhogs

balmy wolf
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"no you are agreeing with each other"
"no he's not"

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"you are blocked"

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what is this, tumblr?

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like if you coming into a text channel and not expected to listen to argument then why are you here then

rapid oxide
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everyone is wrong

delicate sparrow
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look dog

rapid oxide
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๐Ÿฟ

glad chasm
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If hog were actually a legit dive pick there would be more than 1 reference point this far into the apex season

delicate sparrow
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you both think teams run roadhog as an off-meta pick with dive, not an actual on meta thing but people still run it

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it's the same fucking thing

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how do you care enough to argue about this a full week later

balmy wolf
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never run as part of dive =/= stylistic choice on dive

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that's a rather big different but I digress

glad chasm
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@delicate sparrow he brought it up and tagged me man

wary falcon
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i don't even remember when this war started

delicate sparrow
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last apex matches

glad chasm
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And I'm just mentioning there only being 1 reference point up to this point in apex s3 of a hog sighting in anything resembling dive. I'm just looking at what these guys are playing

balmy wolf
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KDP somehow won that when get EMP'd

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@glad chasm clearly not the "no they dont"

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but i'm just providing "questionable" take so Thinkong

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shit

glad chasm
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Clearly is a "no they dont" when there's only been a single instance

balmy wolf
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Luffy fucking up now

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and also it is not even just APEX when other teams also run in a few time

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but I guess we are just using APEX S3 for the sake of keeping it strangely specific ThinkingSombra

glad chasm
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1 instance in apex s3 which is clearly the highest level gameplay atm

balmy wolf
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also, nobody noticed LW BLue with single support

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wtf Pine

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EMP into a dragonblade

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RIP

delicate sparrow
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single support on hollywood first isn't that weird tbh

balmy wolf
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Not a 3-0 omg

delicate sparrow
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KDP and LW blue are pretty evenly matched

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theoretically

balmy wolf
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if it wasn't for Luffy getting spooked and fucked up the Transdencence

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we could see a first point hold.

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but Pine did his job

red anvil
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LWB is 2-0?

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sitting in a meeting atm

balmy wolf
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1-1

glad chasm
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LWB won a really close koth. KDP kind of just destroyed that Hollywood. Not sure what to make right now

red anvil
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okai

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ty!

delicate sparrow
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it was KDP's map choice so maybe there's a reason they picked it

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who knows

balmy wolf
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whoever lost this will go up against either Spirit or LH

delicate sparrow
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"either"

balmy wolf
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Spirit put up a fight vs LW Blue, while LH also missing WhoRU

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so it is not as clear cut as it seems

delicate sparrow
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whoru is supposedly just sick

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he should be fine by the time they play conbox if it isn't super serious

balmy wolf
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no guarantee that he could be playing for LH if his sickness still persists

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nV vs Athena 3 next week Thinkong

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kind of wish nV get shat on just so that I can meme about all the armchair analysts who thought that nV would make it far after EFFECT acquisition

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@crisp lynx is Agape a part of current LW Blue coaching staff or no?

crisp lynx
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no

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he is FA officially, you can watch his stream in twitch now also

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he commentary apex personally

balmy wolf
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so Selly, Fury, and Agape being FA

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and rumored of them going to NA

crisp lynx
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yes

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fury said his plane also

balmy wolf
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assuming that his team is in Contenders

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who's getting him I wonder

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a sub for IMT? Thinkong

crisp lynx
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how many player each team has?

balmy wolf
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only 6

crisp lynx
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as sub

balmy wolf
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a few I think

crisp lynx
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2~3?

red anvil
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vary a lot

balmy wolf
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max sub is 3

red anvil
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LWB got 3 sub

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LH got 1

balmy wolf
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so it can go anywhere from 1 to 3

delicate sparrow
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KDP has 1 sub I believe

red anvil
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no wait LWB have 2

balmy wolf
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@red anvil within Contenders, not APEX

red anvil
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Aha sorry

balmy wolf
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first fight cap DThinking

delicate sparrow
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man LW blue defense is so bad

crisp lynx
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IMT has envy as sub already, they has RG coach who connected kariv, fate with IMT. maybe he helped fury to find his team. i don't think IMT need another korean sub

balmy wolf
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Jesus

glad chasm
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"Pine sombra isn't working can you switch dude?"

crisp lynx
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5:54

balmy wolf
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That was the fastest 2cp cap I've ever seen

crisp lynx
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it looks like 3:1 coming

balmy wolf
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time for my boy KDP to full hold this shit

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(hopefully)

red anvil
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sadface

glad chasm
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Hope it's not a 3-1

balmy wolf
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Yeah, time doesn't really matter on 2cp if you misuse ults

crisp lynx
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Janus's absence is too critical.

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actually it's almost 5 vs 6

delicate sparrow
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luffy with the default emote

crisp lynx
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luffy soldier again. he did well last game vs LH

balmy wolf
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looool

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That was like his first kill

delicate sparrow
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this hurts to see

crisp lynx
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janus watch this in hospital. RIP

delicate sparrow
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pine pls switch

balmy wolf
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Such a sick EMP

delicate sparrow
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man this shit is so hard to watch. you know it wouldn't be nearly this bad if janus was there

balmy wolf
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inb4 Route 66

delicate sparrow
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KDP is pretty good at route 66 iirc

balmy wolf
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both teams running Mercy Widow

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the potential for meme

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is too great.

delicate sparrow
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mercy/ana

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barf

red anvil
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mercy without pharah?

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what is this

balmy wolf
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is this QP

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LWB are going full tilt lol

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"let me carry this game as Mercy" - Gambler

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Fl0wer with the tilt blade

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why would you want to blade 1v6

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He was lucky to get killed so quickly yeah

delicate sparrow
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wait wtf does sylph play if pine can flex support and they choose to use him for that over sylph

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is he a lucio sub??

balmy wolf
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how did Gambler died there

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he was in the Transendence

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but still died to blade

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Sylph is listed as flex support

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that's actually a zoning visor

delicate sparrow
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focus fire I assume

balmy wolf
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Soon lul?

delicate sparrow
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for gambler dying during transcendence

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2 minute time bank on route 66?

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yikes

balmy wolf
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well, they finished Route 66 with 1:48 to spare

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not neccessarily impossible

glad chasm
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AOD are the real season 3 champs

balmy wolf
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even Rogue did it

glad chasm
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LWB showing them the difference between a good team and a k-pop idol

balmy wolf
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LW Blue fangirling

delicate sparrow
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this feels like every comp match I've ever had where I suggest someone play (insert meta hero) and they refuse for 80% of the match and we get stomped on until they swap

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re: pine and zenyatta

balmy wolf
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he probably watched Pokz

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RIP LW BLue?

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ggs

delicate sparrow
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anyways

balmy wolf
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Void constantly clutching his chest

delicate sparrow
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I really hope LW blue and LH are at full strength when they play

clever wagon
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LWB got bodied 1-3?

glad chasm
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@delicate sparrow won't they be playing next Friday? Seems Like a short time for Janus to recover from a collapsed lung

balmy wolf
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@clever wagon basically

vernal obsidian
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Are there console OW tournaments anyway? I never hear of any.

balmy wolf
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there's a few

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but very small

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let's face it, the console OW section is an afterthought

vernal obsidian
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rip

red anvil
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Top tiers on console players just filled with keyboard and mouse adapters anyhow

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so trying to make something serious work there is kinda out of the question

wary falcon
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oh LWB lose 1-3

thick cosmos
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Will they stream all of the contenders group stage matches tomrrow or just one group?

vernal obsidian
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I think just one group

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All matches would make it super crowded.

thick cosmos
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FeelsBadMan

vernal obsidian
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im looking forward to see what kungarna comes up with next.

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I consider them to be the magicians of OW.

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or wait

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I think im getting them confused

thick cosmos
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I just wanna see Vivi's on stream

vernal obsidian
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oh wait

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I'm thinking of Meta Athena.

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Kungarna is just good.

thick cosmos
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Maybe they will stream 1 or 2 games from each group so we can see more teams

pine star
balmy wolf
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Hello?

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ID?

supple nymph
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did they post anything about contenders anywhere

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One Match from each group will be broadcasted each day. A more precise broadcast schedule will be delivered
to the team once Group Stage Participants and schedule have been finalized.

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guess we wont know which until tomorrow

vocal yoke
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we just know that the stream will start 7pm CEST

agile swallow
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My best mates bros team is currently playing on twitch at epiclan5

balmy wolf
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No one cares

vocal yoke
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toxic

solid spear
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So toxic

balmy wolf
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the fuck

supple nymph
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maybe that's the only word he knows?

balmy wolf
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Im not talking about that

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im talking about him joining the team

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FUCK

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@crisp lynx

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you right

vocal yoke
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who is benched then?

balmy wolf
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sub

vocal yoke
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it depends on how he works with the team

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so I treat is as subject to change

balmy wolf
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he plays the same heroes ID does afaik

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So he'll obviously be a sub for ID

crisp lynx
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oh it's fury

balmy wolf
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also just realized

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if Team Liquid boot camping at nVidia headquarter

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Shadder is in NA pogchimp

crisp lynx
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how about Shadowburn?

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does he stay NA yet?

balmy wolf
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Well Rapha did say on stream they had plans to move him hopefully very soon

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and that was like

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a week ago maybe

crisp lynx
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NA contenders group A is interesting

balmy wolf
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@crisp lynx next month apparently

crisp lynx
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i heard they built team house in july.

balmy wolf
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"Maybe Fury is replacing shadder, cuz Shadder is still in europe from what i know"

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fuck.

crisp lynx
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i just want to watch SDB vs Shadder genji fight without ping issue.

balmy wolf
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lul replacing shadder

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he doesnt have the hero pool for that

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nor does id have the hero pool for that

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The only reason he would still be in Europe is because it isnt that easy to move a teenager still living at home and still going to school from europe to north america

crisp lynx
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Fury played Dva, tracer, soldier in Apex and he was zarya main. no genji record.

balmy wolf
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Shadder actually has a very diverse hero pool

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Even though he's a genji specialist, he plays all the off tanks very well

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who even said that @balmy wolf

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someone from SDB discord

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any news on this @crisp lynx

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Well, they talk about a 7 man roster in the announcement on their website, they also talk about him playing off tanks with the "occasional" dps hero

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I find it doubtful

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At the moment, he is probably playing in shadders spot

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for scrims

crisp lynx
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it's right, i knew

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commitee doesnt give any hint of rosters.

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but people are worried because it look like LH + LWB team

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both two team played badly recent match

balmy wolf
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koreans being worried that a team made up of two of the best teams in the world will lose

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the West loves that combination

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lol

crisp lynx
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The committee includes two Apex commentators, they praise LH and LWB's some player recently. so fans assume that.

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actually i like AFB more. so i don't like this trends

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"worrying trend"

balmy wolf
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both got beat by KDP

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so I assume some people from KDP will be on the shortlist

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if no RJH they probably throwing

crisp lynx
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The roster was already submitted a few weeks ago according to "TheMarine" before RO8 match. so recent result did not reflect.

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i hope they picked birdring at least.

balmy wolf
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apparently one of the rumor pick is SBB

crisp lynx
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yes i heard of that today.

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SBB is who i said praised player today's match by TheMarine.

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and birdling and SBB share similar hero pool monkaS

balmy wolf
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no Genji one trick in KR national team monkaS

crisp lynx
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haksal didn't pick because they said they picked only player in apex RO8

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and whoru... i don't know.

balmy wolf
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ArHaN

crisp lynx
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Arhan lul.

balmy wolf
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Arhan looked solid but idk whether or not it is his team carrying him or whatever

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his blade still looked like crap

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and they usually committed heavily to it as well

crisp lynx
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you should check his charge speed.

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i heard his charge is oddly fast.

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so even if he waste some blade, overall efficiency is not so bad i heard. I do not know for sure.

toxic yacht
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Yee, I've heard that ArHaN is still a well respected Genji in Korea

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He's mostly turned to a meme in the west thanks to apex s2

crisp lynx
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yes. he is more meme in west i think

toxic yacht
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But Koreans actually know him better and have seen him longer, so I'd trust their judgement over mine, lul

crisp lynx
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in korea, Esca LUL this meme is exist. but Arhan LUL is unfamiliar ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

balmy wolf
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so does that Esca meme came over from NA or just originated by itself?

crisp lynx
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i thought it came from ognglobal channel. some fan who don't like Esca's play post screenshot of global chat

toxic yacht
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Ah, so it came from the west

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lul

crisp lynx
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west invented funny meme

balmy wolf
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the west always invents the funny memes

crisp lynx
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ok. if there is meme worldcup, west will beat korea ez

supple nymph
toxic yacht
balmy wolf
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lol that highlight

near saffron
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XD

supple nymph
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so this weekend every team plays the other once

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the next weekend every team plays the other once

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and for each region 4 matches get streamed each weekend

balmy wolf
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double round robin

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12 matches per day

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could just space out over the week tbh

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instead of just squished it into a weekend

toxic yacht
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no man

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that'd be too smart

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gotta exhaust your players

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and make them pay suboptimally because they've been sitting in front of their computers the whole day

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very healthy for you, I heard

balmy wolf
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Team Liquid is boot camping in nVidia HQ though, which means they they will probably play in more optimal situation than everyone else

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which is good

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wowee

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Not everyone @balmy wolf

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no Shadder apparently

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Selfless, IMT, Evil, C9, Hammers and Renegedes I think

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are all in houses aswell

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Well houses or similar

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in their group

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only Selfless is in house

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and maybe CLG

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but TL had been playing in sub optimal environment for so long

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Oh right

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they also have Hulk coaching too

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so there's that

toxic yacht
vestal mortar
supple nymph
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it seems like a lot of matches when only 4 of them get streamed a day

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why do they have them do the group stage twice

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seems like they are asking for a pretty big commitment and the teams are not getting much in return

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for no reason

toxic yacht
clever wagon
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Apparently T-Mobile is an utter piece of shit and they clearly have no experience managing any esports match. Or at least they sure showed it.

blazing parrot
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agreed

balmy wolf
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Hidan BibleThump

limber pine
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how can liquipedia have schedules, but not OWC.com

clever wagon
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Lololol

balmy wolf
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so when's tmr broadcast?

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EU first, right?

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oh

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9AM CDT it starts

limber pine
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and stream doesn't start till a few hours later

balmy wolf
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so what match will be stream

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seriously

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what time, too

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12 matches

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they better start this shit early

limber pine
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matches start at 16:00 CEST

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but stream doesn't start until 19:00 CEST I think

limber pine
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My guess is the stream schedule would be eUnited vs BazookaPuppiez , alfasquad vs 123 , NiP vs GamersOrigin , and Misfits vs LaserKittenz

short vault
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can someone tell me what moonmoon is streaming

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what is that

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his own little thing?

crisp lynx
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wNv.KR bdosin goes to kongdoo uncia. It seems to be KDU doing a big rebuild about 2-3 members. wNv.KR curious too

gusty notch
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someone help taimou monkaS

wintry matrix
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i'll be more surprised when there's a pro that likes the game

crisp lynx
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Kongdoo manager doing AMA now. he said KDP want to meet nV in semi-final between nV,MA,X6.

rapid oxide
feral solar
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i clicked on that and people were in the twitch channel complaining why they are advertising it even if its not on right now

clever wagon
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Is Hydration even NA?

clever wagon
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Lol Surefour is streaming while high giving hell to Pharmercy's

feral solar
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i think he is on drugs

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its been a while since he screamed for an hr straight

clever wagon
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I won't say no to HIGH OCTANE GAMING

karmic lake
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Hi

feral solar
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sup m8

karmic lake
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Soim looking for a team that is interested in recruiting

feral solar
karmic lake
feral solar
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no click on that it it will take you to the channel for that stuff

karmic lake
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Oh ok

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Damn barely anyones here. Lol

feral solar
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no esports game are on right now so wont see many people #general-discussion is usually where most people talk about random stuff

clever wagon
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Cummies

balmy wolf
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@crisp lynx the current incarnation of KDP is a joke

toxic yacht
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You mean KDU, right? Got confused for a few seconds

balmy wolf
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yeah

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just woke up so

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hazy lol

clever wagon
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KDU got the short end of the sisters trade

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I guess

clever wagon
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Idk

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I don't bother tbh

feral solar
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he is in the NZ World cup team

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my country is being represented so well

clever wagon
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At least you got a team

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The things you can achieve with a filthy, disgusting, nauseating 6 stack picking on a tier or more below.

feral solar
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he only plays in like 6 queues against plats

clever wagon
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At the very fucking least back in the day Evermore maintained his 5k SR queueing against high tier KR players

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afaik

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Lul

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I just played it earlier

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Solo though

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Too noob to even look at ranking

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But anyway

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We love Overwatch eSports don't we

feral solar
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i wanna see how the viewership will be like now that blizzard is kinda advertising it

toxic yacht
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wNv.KR was that "chinese" team with kalios, right?

crisp lynx
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runaway got kalios

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yes

toxic yacht
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Yee, but he was stuck in China iirc

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Kalios is a main tank, right?

crisp lynx
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he was offtank

toxic yacht
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Which means that haksal could have been on genji if he had been in korea :(

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Ah,offtank

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Oops

balmy wolf
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"kinda advertising it"

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still need tweet

feral solar
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that why i said kinda! maybe they will when its on

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atleast we can hope

balmy wolf
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YEAH

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only one week late but that's ok - Blizzard

vocal yoke
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well, it's understandable that they will advertise actual event and not the qualifiers

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who is interested in OW esport was able to find out about qualifiers anyway

wary falcon
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At the very fucking least back in the day Evermore maintained his 5k SR queueing against high tier KR players

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he played in party with other pro players

vocal yoke
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do you realize that KR ladder is so much different than NA ladder or EU ladder?

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everyone in top 500 and mid GM is more or less equally skilled

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and there is no way even top500 6stack will go against master/diamond players

wary falcon
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i don't understand your message

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he played with other pro players

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that's it

balmy wolf
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the problem is that Asia server is populous enough that matchmaking actually works

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unlike in NA

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so their ladder are a. more consistent and b. a better indicator of skill

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cough NA Mercy main cough

wary falcon
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you can abuse rating on asian server

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if australian server belongs to Asia

vocal yoke
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australian server belongs to NA

wary falcon
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so just non-korean and non-chinese server to play

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like Dubai for EU

balmy wolf
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asian server encompasses KR/CHINA/JAPAN/SEA

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that's a whole lot more region than NA

wary falcon
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sea then

vocal yoke
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SEA then what?

wary falcon
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you can abuse rating on asian server
if australian server belongs to Asia

sea then

clever wagon
#

So I have no idea why or how but suddenly either my cheap mic or my mobo rear mic jack works

#

Nothing was captured when I first tried it with my current rig

#

@balmy wolf Asia server? For OW?

#

I believe SEA goes into Americas, or... also goes into Americas

#

Since I use Americas and I get 20 ms or less, which most likely means somewhere in SG or MY

rapid oxide
#

Group stage announced

clever wagon
#

No idea if "Asia" as listed in the BNet login also includes SEA/my region though, never tried it

balmy wolf
#

@clever wagon funny because I played mainly on Asia

clever wagon
#

Lol

balmy wolf
#

and for the most part I got matched in SEA

vocal yoke
#

wtf

balmy wolf
#

America server in Asia will redirect you back to Asia anyway

vocal yoke
#

SEA is not OCE right?

balmy wolf
#

so the distinction is kind of useless

clever wagon
#

Maybe SEA is included in both

#

Nope

wary falcon
#

Maybe SEA is included in both

it can't

vocal yoke
#

SEA is Asia

clever wagon
#

I don't care anyway

vocal yoke
#

OCE is NA

#

SEA still has good players

clever wagon
#

Ha!

balmy wolf
#

Vietnam is sending the team that just stomp through the SEA LAN tournament

#

so let's see how it goes

#

they all 3-0 or 2-0 most of their opp

vocal yoke
#

Taiwan has Flash Wolves

balmy wolf
#

US might get flunked out tbh

#

Taiwan can send Flash Wolves

#

and Brazil can send BGH

#

so yeah

vocal yoke
#

what you saw in USA vs Canada was one big joke

clever wagon
#

Everybody knows that

vocal yoke
#

Canada's team with normal setup would've destroyed USA

clever wagon
#

By now

balmy wolf
#

and even then Mangachu is aware of his bad pick

#

and said that they might change the roster

#

so there's that

#

but NA team is like "what"

vocal yoke
#

I just feel bad for people who believe in that propaganda and think USA can go to Blizzcon

balmy wolf
#

only pick that seems to make sense is Coolmatt

vocal yoke
#

Coolmatt, Adam and Sinatraa I can understand

balmy wolf
#

@vocal yoke they might get through the group stage but will flunk out at the RO8 or RO16

#

not even Sinatraa

#

even Grim is a better hitscan than Sinatraa

#

and Grim is inconsistent as fuck

#

Buds is underrated as hitscan as well

#

Adam, maybe.

vocal yoke
#

that's why I said they probably won't make it to Blizzcon

#

only two teams from Burbank qualifier advance

balmy wolf
#

Slasher said that he'd be happy if Team USA got a top 4 finish zaryalol

vocal yoke
#

funny how they think their group will be ez

#

even NZ can put up a fight tbh

balmy wolf
#

with Cantus? nah

vocal yoke
#

Cantus is a support for the best team in NZ iirc

balmy wolf
#

the guy is a meme

#

for 6 stacking

vocal yoke
#

so fucking what?

#

it doesn't make him a bad player

#

skillwise ofc

balmy wolf
#

it make his SR questionable when he 6 stack at non peak hour and feast on diamond level players.

vocal yoke
#

they won't take into consideration his 6stacking on LAN

balmy wolf
#

you sure?

vocal yoke
#

his team is currently ranked 2 in Asia-Pacific

#

they won OCE tournament recently

balmy wolf
#

their automated ranking is pretty shit

vocal yoke
#

...

#

so winning your region's tournament is shit too?

balmy wolf
#

why would you put Blank eSport who had been compete in a bigger LAN (OPC) below Mastermind who just won a regional LAN (COE)?

vocal yoke
#

I am not putting them above then wtf

#

just saying that they are not as bad as people are saying

balmy wolf
#

that's the over.gg ranking that put them in that position, my friend

vocal yoke
#

because they only see the whole 6stacking thing

#

I fucking said that it's over.gg's ranking, never stated that it's my personal feeling jesus fucknig christ

balmy wolf
#

you are the one that said they are "ranked 2 in Asia-Pacific", and I pointed out that the ranking is pretty flawed, and now you backpedal by saying that "they are not as bad as people are saying"

#

over.gg ranking is automated, which means that it taking into account more recent win loss disregard of strength of opponent and context

#

hence why Masterminds somehow managed to grab second spot because they won recently, but context wise, they are playing in a weaker region and a smaller LAN

vocal yoke
#

beating some of top tier Australian teams makes you bad?

#

sry didn't know that

balmy wolf
#

Taiwan/China/Thailand/Japan/Australia > Australian

#

OPC has teams from Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc etc

#

which automatically a stronger competition

vocal yoke
#

ok I'm out because this has no fucking sense to me anymore

balmy wolf
#

you seems to not get that Australia is a weak region

#

winning a local LAN in a weak region does not mean somehow you are number 2 as Asia Pacific

dry tinsel
#

what are some good sites for overwatch, to see stats and match history and if there is one to see what rating your team is and enemy team?

balmy wolf
dry tinsel
balmy wolf
#

if you log in?

dry tinsel
#

oh okey thx

jagged crater
#

blizz finally with the contenders advertisement

balmy wolf
#

only after a few weeks late ResidentSleeper

#

still no tweet ResidentSleeper

dry tinsel
#

isnt masteroverwatch a better site ?

toxic yacht
#

๐Ÿคฆ

#

esports stats and match history

#

so yeaaah, this is kinda the wrong place to ask

#

ow doesn't have any actual match history

#

so overbuff tries to recreate it using other data that I don't fuckin know

dry tinsel
#

oh okey, gotcha

toxic yacht
#

blizz doesn't have any official API, so it just scrapes data from playoverwatch.com and checks out how you've been looking at your stats + other stuff and tries to give you as much data of that as you can

#

mo and overbuff both have their pros and cons, I tend to use overbuff, but one of the best things about MO is that it contains data from previous seasons

#

overbuff doesn't feel like saving that

#

but yeah, stats without context are kinda pointless, so take everythign you see with 10 c-17 loads of salt

dry tinsel
#

okey thank you ๐Ÿ˜„

toxic yacht
#

np bby

dry tinsel
#

im coming from league and there u have alot of sites that tells u everything

toxic yacht
#

iirc riot actually has an official API for that, although you can correct me if I'm wrong

#

Same goes for csgo

#

so you have a hundred bajillion sites telling you stats

#

iirc blizz said something about how they'd like to implement something like taht

#

but it takes time and really isn't high priority rn, probably

#

I'd guess that it will come when we get replays etc

dry tinsel
#

oh i see didnt know that

balmy wolf
#

Blizzard's API apparently is in high priority

#

according to one of the interview

#

so at least that it is coming

#

before any skins (hopefully)

toxic yacht
#

ah, it is

#

good to know that they're taking shit like this seriously

jagged crater
#

they said that last year

#

?

toxic yacht
#

I don't remember it being high priority, actually, I remembered the opposite

balmy wolf
#

it was in a recent interview with Scott Mercer

#

Winston's Lab?

#

or Omnic, can't remember

jagged crater
#

replays are def more important imo

#

like that should be standard for any game going esport

#

even better, you can even parse data in replays like you can w/ csgo

#

get so much information out of it

balmy wolf
#
Akshon Esports

An improved spectator client is one of the most demanded requests from the Overwatch community, but there are many who would also like to see an official API and a method to track player statistics without having to rely on a third party source. Whether it be the casual fan, a hardcore player, or even [โ€ฆ]

#

this was in May

balmy wolf
#

โ€œEasy to learn, difficult to masterโ€ is a big design decision at all blizzard games."

#

Mercy

toxic yacht
solid spear
#

Lul

crisp lynx
#

contenders broadcast only 4 games out of 24 games. why

balmy wolf
#

12*4

#

48 you mean.

crisp lynx
#

isn't 24 games a week?

balmy wolf
#

double round robin

crisp lynx
#

oh, NA+EU i see

balmy wolf
#

4 groups, each team in each group play 4 4 games series, 4x3x4=48

#

and they only broadcasting 4 of them kaplanwhat

crisp lynx
#

i understood, ty

clever wagon
#

Wait

#

So when are they going to start streaming?

balmy wolf
#

in 3 hours

supple nymph
#

if blizzard says they are 'working on something' it could be years out

#

or never

balmy wolf
#

"soon"

clever wagon
#

SoOnSM Oh wait

#

SoonTM

supple nymph
balmy wolf
#

rather easy to not enjoying OW when you are not winning

supple nymph
#

thanks Alicus

#

in other words he's gonna tweet if they win or not

balmy wolf
#

NWA getting the business

toxic yacht
#

๐Ÿ™ for NiP

#

NiP is down one map

#

and it's 2-2 on oasis atm

#

it's bo3, right?

supple nymph
#

Matches during the Group Stage will be โ€œ4 Game Setsโ€. In a single Match, Teams will play 4 maps in total, with the team earning the highest number of maps taking the victory. 4 Game Sets that end 2-2 will result in a tie for that Match. Tiebreakers will be played after all matches in the Group Stage complete and final results are recorded.

toxic yacht
#

ah, this format

#

thonks

#

also, NiP is down 100-0 overtime

#

and they dropped oasis

rapid oxide
#

"No serious team strim their scrim/comm" Slasher HYPERLUL

vestal mortar
rapid oxide
#

Vivi have a coach btw?

toxic yacht
#

NiP got snowballed :(

#

anubis capped with 5 minutes

vestal mortar
#

Oh noey

balmy wolf
#

NIP ๐Ÿ˜ข

toxic yacht
#

0% on anubis for NiP

balmy wolf
#

so they dropped 3 maps?

toxic yacht
#

yee

balmy wolf
#

well

#

at least it is double round robin

#

so they have like 24 maps

#

to play from this week to next

#

but if they get completely swept in the map series though

#

that won't bode well

toxic yacht
#

:(

rapid oxide
#

is it delayed btw?

#

123 2 - 2 movi

toxic yacht
#

probably delayed

#

also, 123 is looking kinda good

#

I'm hyped to watch them later today

#

oh wait, I fukt up

#

we aren't seeing them play today FeelsBlobMan

#

NiP getting snowballed on gib :(

#

5:24 to cap 3rd

balmy wolf
#

๐Ÿ”ซ

rapid oxide
#

Moobot: Bockett will not get timed out for 3 minutes

toxic yacht
#

linkzr is carrying so hard, lul

balmy wolf
#

Hymzi's Roadhog ๐Ÿ˜ฟ

toxic yacht
#

vivi capped with 30 seconds remaining or something

#

๐Ÿ™ Logix ๐Ÿ™ eyes ๐Ÿ™

balmy wolf
#

what happen to Logix?

toxic yacht
#

he woke up with a fucked up eye (or eyes, I forgot) for no reason

#

eye hurt a ton, although he still performed stupid well

balmy wolf
#

probably dust

toxic yacht
clever wagon
#

Western tourney format of extra long match days are fun

toxic yacht
#

NiP with 4 minutes to cap third ๐Ÿ™

#

NiP completed with like, 30 seconds

#

almost did it with 3, but got stalled

#

both have 1 minute now

#

๐Ÿ™

#

NiP got first in OT

#

NiP c9'd the payload

#

almost got to second though

#

NiP blew it

#

:/

balmy wolf
#

rip

#

that's one map series down

#

NIP should just run triple tank tbh

#

instead of forcing the meta

limber pine
#

RiP NiP

#

lul everybody in group D is 2-2

#

well 0-1-0

supple nymph
#

lots of draws

#

๐Ÿ‘€

limber pine
#

i just want one team that we don't expect to get by

balmy wolf
#

NIP no ;_;

limber pine
#

maybe that's Expert

toxic yacht
#

2-2 vs eU

#

that's impressive

balmy wolf
#

Team Expert playing good or eUnited play badly Thinkong

limber pine
#

they can still stream these games on delays, right?

balmy wolf
#

3 mins

rapid oxide
#

No

#

they allow to stream without delay

limber pine
rapid oxide
#

Moobot: Bockett will not get timed out for 3 minutes

supple nymph
#

๐Ÿฆ

balmy wolf
#

Sea "let me steal viewers from an important tournament" Gull

vestal mortar
#

๐Ÿ‘€

rapid oxide
#

and people still ask me why i dislike him

#

Sea "I want to help esport" Gull

vestal mortar
#

Leave my boy Seagies alone

rapid oxide
#

he's far from being both skilled and funny, idk how people enjoy his streaming tbh

#

i prefere timtheplatman over seagull

vestal mortar
#

๐Ÿ˜ข

rapid oxide
#

HOTS 26k a meh tournament

#

better than ow

#

smh

balmy wolf
#

at this point he is kind of grandfathered his way into OW fandom tbh

#

the first "superstar" DPS

waxen rampart
#

HOTS isnt interesting to watch tbh

rapid oxide
#

better than watching a mid tier genji

waxen rampart
#

Watching Esports like OW and HOTS isnt interesting at all tbh

#

Theres not any teeth clenching moments like csgo

rapid oxide
#

why are you here then?

balmy wolf
#

^

waxen rampart
#

Just sayin hi

rapid oxide
#

ok bye

waxen rampart
#

cause other channels are ded

balmy wolf
#

"let me come into a house and take a dump in front of its door. Just saying hi though"

waxen rampart
#

Yep ^

rapid oxide
#

csgo is a boring shooter

waxen rampart
#

Well people have their preferences

rapid oxide
#

im not going in their discord telling csgo is shit

balmy wolf
#

and you said your preference. And i'm sure people will care.

waxen rampart
#

I still play ow

vestal mortar
#

Don't get baited pals

waxen rampart
#

Im just sayin the esports for me is borin

balmy wolf
#

"just saying"

#

ok.

waxen rampart
#

Im not baitin or anythin

rapid oxide
#

nah HYPERLUL

supple nymph
#

are they an hour early?

balmy wolf
#

yes, stream in half an hour

#

and no, it is the schedule

#

they have 12 games to get through today

supple nymph
balmy wolf
#

and also, NIP vs GO

#

I feared for my life

#

Misfits vs Laser Kittenz will probably be fireworks though

#

which is good

waxen rampart
#

Can I ask whats the interesting parts about the matches?

wintry matrix
#

i think it's like the same in any esports, the storylines. clutch plays, good team coordination etc.

#

or the funny throws

balmy wolf
#

Manneten with the aimbot within aimbot

#

lol

thick cosmos
#

1-1 between vivis and singularity

balmy wolf
#

Left Guy: BO4 series

#

come on

supple nymph
rapid oxide
dusty surge
#

lol that fucking cyclowns logo

#

Also... that mirror match, though. :(

supple nymph
#

chat more interested in dafran than match

dusty surge
#

A bunch of people are probably playing on the scrims server atm.

balmy wolf
#

why is JetsetJamerson commentating

#

not Uber

toxic yacht
#

uber isn't here

#

he wasn't asked

supple nymph
#

maybe they didnt want too many white people

balmy wolf
#

lolz

#

Cyclowns throwing like clowns

toxic yacht
#

logix ๐Ÿ™

supple nymph
balmy wolf
#

nV: "KR is a good place for practice"

#

Taimou: "my mental health is shit"

wintry matrix
#

maybe he didn't talk to them about that before, who knows

#

hope he gets better

toxic yacht
#

cwoosh

#

LUL

wintry matrix
#

tho i guess that does make nV look weirder than they already look

toxic yacht
#

whoa, rip logix

#

guys, why can't EU teams defend?

balmy wolf
#

@wintry matrix some of their recent decisions has been questionable

#

letting Hulk go, letting Lui go, picking X6, etc etc

#

now we are just at a point of where it all came crashing down

wintry matrix
#

the Hulk thing i kinda understand, even if it's still a bit sad

dusty surge
#

So much drama in esperts

crisp lynx
#

taimou is getting tilted. he duo with haksal. lose streak

wintry matrix
#

at least his burnout kinda explains why he's been undeperforming

dusty surge
#

lol cyclowns

toxic yacht
#

rip

balmy wolf
#

this thread is now basically "fuck D.va, fuck Tracer, fuck balancing"

rapid oxide
#

burnout

#

holy hell

#

stop fucking drinking alchol and have a shitty habits

#

that doesnt help

toxic yacht
#

wtf movi throwing

#

lul

#

anyway, 5 ults

rapid oxide
#

people will always complain about something

#

achieve the perfect balance is impossible

wintry matrix
#

that's ok, the thread tho was just circle-jerking on the usual targets

#

just confirms a bit more that meta is more a matter of perspective than objectiveness

balmy wolf
#

i do found it hilarious that D.va is completely OP in other fashion though

#

back in her meta she was too tanky

#

now her DM is too good

#

the other difference is that D.va is shit on MM but completely OP in pro

solid spear
#

I mean dive is cancer tbh

#

and he even said without DM youd just immediately die to dive so its weird anyway as annoying as D.Va is she feels neccessary on your team a lot of the time cuz of certain threats

toxic yacht
#

logix stop

dusty surge
#

So how do you "fix" dive?

solid spear
#

not gut one of the few characters that was decent against it lol

toxic yacht
#

logix is fuckin op wtf

dusty surge
#

Cyclowns going to need to full hold to not get 3-0'd. :(

toxic yacht
#

probably 4-0'd at this rate

balmy wolf
#

BP 2-0 eU

#

Well rip cyclowns

toxic yacht
#

lol

naive plover
#

wait, whos playing in bazooka puppiez? Or do i have to use google

#

i feel like ive never seen them play before

toxic yacht
#

eUnited

#

boombox's new team

naive plover
#

no i mean whos playing in the team

#

i know about eunited

toxic yacht
#

ube and some other guys

naive plover
toxic yacht
#

rubikon

#

meza

dusty surge
#

Bazooka. Puppiez.

#

What.

toxic yacht
#

klanton, mete, kensi

naive plover
#

hmmm ok thanks

toxic yacht
#

it's totally not a laser kittenz reference

vestal mortar
#

totes

naive plover
balmy wolf
#

It's Ex-LDLC + Rubikon

toxic yacht
#

lul

dusty surge
#

Hrmm

#

I wonder if that spiderml guy is the same spiderml that used to play Subspace.

supple nymph
#

B L U N D E R

balmy wolf
#

Rubikon with the helpful emote.

crisp lynx
#

Cat > Dog

supple nymph
#

why did train say he doesnt want to go to poland

#

is that a meme?

#

i dont get it

toxic yacht
dusty surge
#

rip... 4-0'd

balmy wolf
#

@supple nymph "not comfortable going to Poland"

supple nymph
#
  1. does a WC thing happen in poland?
#
  1. why specifically would he not be comfortable?
balmy wolf
#

yes, a leg will be happening in Katowice

supple nymph
#

ah

balmy wolf
#

as for why, no clue.

supple nymph
#

yea that's why I asked

dusty surge
#

Hrmm. What's the deal with Poland?

supple nymph
#

seems oddly specific

#

he could say he doesnt like to travel

#

or fly overseas

#

but he said poland

naive plover
#

to be fair, i wouldnt want to go to poland either

balmy wolf
#

Katowice is like one of the major esport city

#

why wouldn't you want to go to Katowice

#

unless you have school and shit

naive plover
#

because of the country

#

no but he probably got his reasons

balmy wolf
#

Katowice is actually a pretty bad city

#

There are better cities in Poland

#

But he doesnt want to go because of religious stuff I think

#

they usually holds IEM there

#

which is a pretty big event in IEM series

#

all of the event in the WC legs usually have a sort of esport background to it

#

Barbank had studios

#

Katowice hosted world class esport event before

#

Sydney the same

#

Well yeah Katowice has their esports stadium

#

but the actual city is pretty ehhh

#

and also

#

4-0 incoming

#

inb4 4 4-0

toxic yacht
#

Should have been in Cologne then DGood

#

Just so that they can qualify with train

thick cosmos
#

Vivi's 4-0ed GO

toxic yacht
#

dids on dva

#

whoa

#

wtf

#

nice stream blizzard

#

LUL

#

hey, at least this game is closer

sturdy granite
#

Good lord that whiff

vestal mortar
#

๐Ÿ‘ Expert ๐Ÿ‘

balmy wolf
#

Holy fuck

dusty surge
#

Wait... don't we know Dids?

balmy wolf
#

Yes

vestal mortar
#

This game is getting me hyped

toxic yacht
#

yes, it's our dids

vestal mortar
#

Dids nuuu

toxic yacht
#

the vet guy

naive plover
#

hes trusted too

toxic yacht
#

huh, I was expecting dids on sombra

vestal mortar
#

me too

naive plover
#

i think hes supposed to be on soldier

#

like his role or whatever

dusty surge
#

Invision is playing Tracer like a Reaper. :P

naive plover
#

He's usually playing tracer when hes not in his team

balmy wolf
#

Speaking of @dusty surge

toxic yacht
#

aww, not dids on sombra

#

but dids mei

dusty surge
#

Hrmm?

#

Oh lol

toxic yacht
#

yee, dids is flexible af

naive plover
#

Dids sombra is so good tho q-q

toxic yacht
#

he's probably the flex dps of the team

vestal mortar
#

Mei + Sombra pogchimp

balmy wolf
#

REAPER WORKING LOL

vestal mortar
#

Whaa

#

I can't believe my eyes

toxic yacht
#

another emp

balmy wolf
#

dive with Reaper is underrated

dusty surge
#

Reaper is underrated.

naive plover
#

reaper is underrated yeah

toxic yacht
#

veineless sombra guise

naive plover
#

but hes good against sombra

balmy wolf
#

Reaper is niche in situation where you want Roadhog firepower but don't want to give ult battery to other team

#

KR teams run it, and so is my team

toxic yacht
#

whoa

dusty surge
#

Oh man... look at that, almost a full hold.

balmy wolf
#

Team Expert with the KDP strats

#

without knowledge how to run it

#

they been running single support triple dps

#

and completely failed at diving the point

dusty surge
#

And the full hold.

void dirge
#

veineless on sombra ๐Ÿคค

amber ember
#

is contenders being shown on the launcher? havent seen a tweet

velvet scarab
#

gg

balmy wolf
#

DIDS

dusty surge
#

Wow. It's the Dids show on that push.

toxic yacht
#

dids

#

whoa

amber ember
toxic yacht
#

@drowsy arrow ur a god

naive plover
#

omg dids

balmy wolf
#

DIDS

#

MY GOD

#

Its on the launcher @amber ember

#

Singularity Ninja 2-0 NIP so far

#

NIP ๐Ÿ˜ข

toxic yacht
#

:/

#

NiP :(

balmy wolf
#

yeah

#

wtf was that winston dive

#

meanwhile, 18K viewers over at Seagull's stream

#

Lmao

#

then again this is father's day weekend.

#

but still

blazing parrot
#

@limber pine

balmy wolf
#

that winston dive lost them the game

#

Sea "I want to help the scene by streamsnipe it" Gull

#

it is Hollywood Hammers lol

#

that rematch though

blazing parrot
#

i cant wait

#

c9 vs hammer

#

fufufu

balmy wolf
#

Misfits 3-1 NWA