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#esports-discussion
toxic yacht
:(
limber pine
iswydt
dusty surge
Feels like they needed to take out Poko, but kept letting him do what he wanted.
balmy wolf
Feels like they needed to run tanks ever
NIP at least qualified
but they looked "ok" at least with Linkzr
I feel like after they scrim with linkz for a few weeks and grind their dive
They will be a top EU team once again
Because they have the components
that's the hope. Some of their engage had been super clean
but their dive defense is about as strong as wet weetabix
I still think they should run tanks on defence
Or at least try it
toxic yacht
well, I doubt that hymzi is gonna run new hog so now they're probably gonna stick to dives
:(
balmy wolf
i mean they run it earlier vs Yalla
toxic yacht
oh well, they can still put him on dva
balmy wolf
and it went great
so idk why they don't want to
milk Hymzi's hog for as much as possible
I think swapping Mafu and Hymzi out once and again is a good idea
Because Mafus Zarya is ๐๐ป
toxic yacht
his dva succ though
toxic yacht
and they kinda need a dva this meta
balmy wolf
NIP should probably call B1shop for this lololol
toxic yacht
I don't think that they're gonna drop mafu
but swapping him out in the current meta makes the most sense
tbh
if he could play dva they'd probably have swapped hymzi
balmy wolf
idk, they are trialing Linkrz
and while having a 7 men ala LK is fine and all
would NIP like to have another person on payroll?
especially when they are all in for their LoL and CSGO squad
dropping Mafu and sign Linkzr is fine, tbh. Zappis can handle Zarya duty
let Linkzr be the spearhead for the offense. He realistically should be what NIP needed. Carry-level firepower
limber pine
any word about NWA and Alfa?
thick cosmos
It's 1-1 idk more than that
balmy wolf
Jason and Hex โค
vestal mortar
๐ Veineless ๐
vestal mortar
Awwwww!
balmy wolf
wait shaz isnt there either
why is it only fischer and ChrisTFer
Twitter
They're all tiny except Shaz and Fischer
And shaz and Fischer are both from the north
dusty surge
"NWA," really?
supple nymph
best casters possible
balmy wolf
? @dusty surge
dusty surge
@balmy wolf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N.W.A
balmy wolf
huh
rapid oxide
ni๐ ฑ๐ ฑas with attitude
toxic yacht
lmao
thick cosmos
GO vs Cyclowns Grand finals
supple nymph
damn 1.1m e3 viewers
supple nymph
is eunited moving to NA?
thick cosmos
Benbest throwing lul
short vault
2-0s and 2-Ohs
balmy wolf
eU's plan was supposed to be continue playing in EU > Bootcamp in KR > Move from KR to NA
Looks like they're staying in EU though
for now at least
thick cosmos
I wonder what the groups will be
thick cosmos
GamersOrigin looked really strong
balmy wolf
dafrine sir
clever wagon
Nanjos
balmy wolf
so Quake Champions' first major will be held 4v4 and with 1 million prize pool
and here we have Blizzard with their shit
toxic yacht
inb4 Team Liquid on suicide watch
toxic yacht
is minstrel going?
balmy wolf
3 Quake legends, and one guy who permabanned from CSGO lol
no clue
i'm hopping into Quake Champions now lol
toxic yacht
lol
balmy wolf
YO!!!!!
clever wagon
I mean
If QC boosted ahead of OW
I'm not gonna be surprised
Not even gonna feel bad
Is it still open beta or what
Time to bust out my Bethesda Launcher
16.35 GB update on my end lul
20 min download
Oh wait it's 11.58 GB
Less than 6 months after CBT was out and Quake is ready with a fucking self-sanctioned (?) $1mil championship
I mean granted it has background
But man
rapid oxide
judging the dislike and comments
overwatch have nothing to worry about
having 1m doesnt mean the esport will be better or more succesful
rapid oxide
too bad the main income of teams aren't the poolprize
clever wagon
Too soon is too soon
rapid oxide
what trigger me more is this "Bethesda, you can't make gamers look or sound cool. They're fucking nerds, not athletes. They don't have the looks or physique to pull off that 'Champions' vibe. It just looks stupid.๏ปฟ"
and even more the likes that are 100
so chess players aren't atheletes but nerd retards?
"they dont have the looks or pysique of a 'champions' vibe"?
that's retarded
"gaming is an hobby" yes like fucking soccer, basketball, volleyball but if u get pay for it... is it that bad?
thick cosmos
Anyone know when groups will be announced?
forest raven
Maybe tomorrow
thick cosmos
Ok
clever wagon
https://www.twitch.tv/eff2ct Korean boy learning English using PUBG
pine star
solid spear
.-.
balmy wolf
lolz
tfw an unreleased game got a 1 million prize pot major
and OW official sanctioned tournament only have 50K
like wut
rapid oxide
moneyprize are irrelevant
i can host hello kitty world online with 10 milion poolprize
that wouldn't make that game better than OW
solid spear
In the end players play for money
So hello kitty world online for 10M would be clean
balmy wolf
money prize is not that irrelevant, tbh. All the Quake legends will come out of the woodwork
and also it is an attractive incentive
it won't make the game better than OW
but it does show that ID wants to push the esport angle
which is more than OW can say atm
Quake was played in IEM, mind you
solid spear
Like I know we like OW but we cant just sit here and pretend prize pools dont remember
rapid oxide
moneyprize is relevant if you are orgless
if you are in an org, what pays you are sponsors and exposure
balmy wolf
org still needs to make money, mind you
and what else is more attractive than a huge prize purse?
some of the old Quake legends was sponsored
Rapha was sponsored by SK
right now, the 1 million prize purse and having both 4v4/duel qualifier for NA/EU is infinitely a better starting point than what we have right now
rapid oxide
the franchise model is way more better in the long term than having 1m prizepool every year
for both org and players
tired escarp
Yo does ow cup has a prize pool?
tired escarp
Sucks dude
balmy wolf
we went from 300K purse from OW Open and now, 50K
tired escarp
Such a big event with no prize pool
rapid oxide
world cup was 18k for all the country
balmy wolf
that's not purse though. That's stipend.
tired escarp
LOL
balmy wolf
and also, franchise model is kind of overrated when ID can just let Dreamhack/IEM/third party do their own duel/4v4 LAN
and have QuakeCon as the ultimate major
ala what Valve does
tired escarp
Dude i heard from xqc that theres going to be something cool in contenders s1
balmy wolf
Contenders S1 will have a LAN final
rapid oxide
then why barely any org want to get into dota? ๐ค
balmy wolf
that's about it.
rapid oxide
since there are sooo much money
tired escarp
Lol
balmy wolf
C9, NIP, and some other orgs at one point or another have tried to get into DOTA2
too bad their roster is shit so no spot on any majors
and even then, there are plenty of
3rd party tournament like Manilla Master or EPICENTER
and sponsored a sole player > sponsored a team
tired escarp
Lmao
balmy wolf
it is all about cost/benefits scenario for individual orgs. A new org can just come in and swoop them, yeah, but it will be up to them
and OG/NP are majors winning teams so it is not like scooping them will be dirt cheap either
rapid oxide
but the ROI is higher
solid spear
I mean prize pool matters though, Smash probably has more orgs in it than OW though but you wouldnt say the scene is bigger when stuff like views and prize pools are so important
balmy wolf
Yeah, but if someone like NIP who said "we are going to drop DOTA2 because we want to go all in on CSGO and LoL", then it is their choice ultimately
solid spear
Amount of orgs isnt all that matters especially when we dont even know exactly theyre even paying
balmy wolf
Team Liquid should be so cash though
their OW roster is Quake legends based
so whenever OW having a dire spell or whatever
just send them to Quake Con and grab a portion of the 1 million prize pot
rapid oxide
LOL world had 5k prizepool in 2016, Dota will reach kilda 15k this year but guess what, endemic and sponsors are willing to invest and get a team in lol where the poolprize is 1/3 of Dota one
very weird right?
also... no one in Liquid will abandon OW for QC because the risk is high... the game isn't going well
you can see it on the twitch views and comments on reddit
veterans doesnt play it because have abilities, casual choose or ow or stay to get stomped by veterans
balmy wolf
it is a joke, calm down.
rapid oxide
and leave later
balmy wolf
Liquid could just send them to Quake Con under Team Liquid
rapid oxide
who's gonna go full QC? Slasher or Carnage that failed on OW
balmy wolf
and also @blazing parrot it is a montage. Calm down.
Sayaplayer is good enough to not need to use it anyway
the quicker that Slasher leave OW the better
rapid oxide
"QC is better than OW" lmao
can wait to see them going back when they will earn jack shit and get rekt by true pros
i think carnage had more views on TF2 than he has on Quake now
blazing parrot
@balmy wolf i was saying holy shit to the editing lul
some parts of it was eh but the effects were well done in others
rapid oxide
650 views very succesful esport 
balmy wolf
it remains to be seen how ID will shill their esport scene
but a 1 million prize pot for duel/4v4 is a good start nonetheless
at least it will attract former Quake players out of the woodwork
rapid oxide
who's gonna stick most likely Cooller and Cyper because teamless
true veterans won't play it
like... the one that play CPMA, Warsow etc..
balmy wolf
idk about that
rapid oxide
honestly i dont mind the poolprize of an event
unless it's funny
they can play for 1m or 10m idc
limber pine
poof
dusty surge
rip
winter spoke
which team is confirmed for OL ?
balmy wolf
OL?
winter spoke
what is the next biggest tournament ?
balmy wolf
APEX Season 3 is still ongoing
and Overwatch Contenders starts on the 17th and 18th of July
winter spoke
thanks
left sable
the stream is lit
blazing parrot
why are you adverstising here @limber pine
zealous girder
Guys when does the 2nd qualifiers for apex start
limber pine
@left sable #video-content if you wish to submit a stream link
vocal yoke
if anyone is interested the French ESL Twitch channel is streaming the Grand Final of Go4 May: Vivi's Adventure vs IceblockGG
solid spear
-_-
rapid oxide
Cliff Bleszinski's next game, Lawbreaker's release date has finally been revealed: August 8th. It'll be available for $30, a very competitive price when compared with other hero shooters, like Overwatch. As Cliff Bleszinski puts it, the game will launch with a full game, no "$60 multiplayer only bullshit."
why you want to do the same mistake of Battleborn lmao
balmy wolf
Battleborn have the idiocy of a. locking content that should be able to play in multi behind the single player mode
and of course the rather obvious b. release at the same time as overwatch
so at least Lawbreaker won't be getting into the same shit hole.
when's Quake Champions going to be release though?
rapid oxide
the mistake i meant is to fight a colossus like Blizzard, you are Nexon kek also 30$ but i bet the future DLC you have to pay for them
QC is Open beta iirc no release date tbh
considering the state of the actual game, that shouldn't had to leave Alpha tbh
10 minutes to load the STARTING SCREEN, memory leak, shit netcode
kindred kiln
at least lawbreakers feels way better than new quake imo
and some of the classes were actually fun to play
balmy wolf
idk about 10 minutes to load the starting screen
especially when I have an SSD and only took like 10 seconds at most
rapid oxide
Quake will be more succesful than Lawbreakers simply because of the name
like Doom... Doom is trash but it sell just for the name
I've an HDD, no SSD, i'm poor
but they should care about HDD user too... this issue is in closed beta since month already. lots of people quit for that reason, me included
balmy wolf
SSD is basically the default for any gaming machine now
rapid oxide
nah
it depends
so it's not SSD the issue, got reported on reddit having a SSD isn't resolving the issue
balmy wolf
it sure does to me
rapid oxide
solid spear
omg wow
jovial eagle
the power of thegull
solid spear
so Canada vs US on Thursday at E3
balmy wolf
Countdown to Team USA vs Team Canada showmatch
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20170615T17&p0=%3A&msg=Team+USA+vs+Team+Canada+E3+Showmatch+countdown&font=slab
supple nymph
feels bad being canadian when- I think- virtually every esports pro is from Quebec and nowhere else
could be wrong though- I think xqc, surefour, and huk are quebecois
i guess i dont know many besides them
dellor sounded english so I guess he probably isnt
forest raven
Is Calgary in Quebec?
forest raven
Then Surefour is not from Quebec
supple nymph
excellent
supple nymph
daily cow drama thread https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6gwdxh/mod_power_abuse/
clever wagon
Anybody have the "x breaks records, y breaks records, I prefer the magic" pasta?
supple nymph
Alex19 isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a player with such an ability and movement with fox? Alex puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a player with his skill and passion for the game again. Mang0 breaks records. Armada breaks records. Alex19 breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.
jovial eagle
what'd you say
clever wagon
@blazing parrotfefe who dat
blazing parrot
i was redding the drama thread
@clever wagon
the guy is a literal idiot
then whines when he gets banned
clever wagon
Which drama thread
You know we cant pass a day without drama right
There are more drama than we can remember at this point
blazing parrot
@clever wagon the one ford just posted
it got closed
heres what it originally said
the op is a literally idiot tho
so its pretty much w/e
supple nymph
@clever wagon i pasted the pasta
i think he means locked drama thread https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6gwdxh/mod_power_abuse/
toxic yacht
honestly, not a too big fan of this montage
editing was nice
but he overedited it
to the point where it took away from saya's skill
since you couldn't actually see him do the flicks properly
balmy wolf
what montage
supple nymph
polo no like anime/kpop
balmy wolf
its a super fucking loud terrible guitar riff
blazing parrot
isnt halfear korean?
simple oak
we're all korean now
weary fossil
a lot of work has gone into that video
left sable
One feed at a time, await your turn.
Whenever you fire at a friendly, apologize and leave it at that.
Keep it professional, and more importantly; enjoyable for everyone.
toxic yacht
@balmy wolf the riff literally disappeared after the montage seriously started, lul
it sounded kinda like my dearest aka the first guilty crown op and a kalafina song later
but yeah, wouldn't shock me if you still dislike it later, lul
balmy wolf
rapid oxide
Team LDLC unofficially disbanded
toxic yacht
:/
rapid oxide
Kabal said it, can't screenshot and upload w phone
Iceblock isnt an org, they didn't have to pay their players
LDLC have to
final river
lol what's the point of that video.
rapid oxide
why they have to state they are girls? next time i would stream/make a video i'll be like "Gamer boy"
nice voice btw
balmy wolf
old news
glacial fractal
Lol it was announced only a few hours ago officially
The Reddit post was based on what the players had said on stream after the round robin stage ended
balmy wolf
Doesnt mean it isnt old news
glacial fractal
The only interesting thing to note is that they wanted to disband before their match against bk stars for those who dont read korean
rapid oxide
well... alicus will buy someone soon
balmy wolf
"According to information revealed on Leetajun's stream first reported by Redditor TlSrobin311, RGW's Fury (the sub Tank player) has allegedly already been signed by an unnamed foreign team following the conclusion of a series of tryouts."
funny you said that
according to Harsha, no NA team just yet, but we'll have to see
rapid oxide
3rd tank change? alicus lol
wont be surprised if that happen
alicus better disband the team and get a kr only team at this point
toxic yacht
lol, inb4 3rd tank change
first he fucks over cyclowns at takeover and then decides to boot him
I'd be salty af if he actually did that
but nah, not likely
glacial fractal
How was munchkin? I didnt get to watch the 0-2 against Misfits
toxic yacht
inb4 IMT, the first fully korean NA team
balmy wolf
ah
toxic yacht
also, iirc munchkin was having ping issues or something
I didn't find him particularily noteworthy
fell off the map a bunch of times
balmy wolf
@glacial fractal looks good, but Tviq outplayed him. But according to Alicus he got ping spikes
which of course explains the map suicide
toxic yacht
but yeah, getting outplayed by TviQ is nothing to be embarassed about lul
glacial fractal
Does anyone have any questions for Atlus? My friend is doing and interview with him today at APEX (he said Atlus is upset at the beautiful tracking meme)
balmy wolf
lolz
toxic yacht
lul
glacial fractal
And wants to end it
balmy wolf
too bad. It is immortalized now.
but yeah, Fury is off tank, and coming into replaced Hyped is certainly not a bad call
they are really double down on Grim/Agilities DPS duo though
glacial fractal
What was Aythen's problem?
He looked so chill on stream i dont imagine it was an attitude thing
balmy wolf
one dimensional, I think. He looks good on Ana, but mediocre/non impactful on any other roles
balmy wolf
so what, IMT Black and IMT Green?
toxic yacht
inb4 hyped's gf is forcing the team to keep him
balmy wolf
IMT certainly want to be a big OW player
mind you though, Sodipop originally had Jer, Juv3nile on it
toxic yacht
IMT Good and IMT Bad
balmy wolf
so this is not exactly the same Sodipop that we saw before
it is one of the more long running roster though, certainly
glacial fractal
Noah has already given a lot for this OW team, he's actually one of the few endemic owners i can say are ready for the OWL
balmy wolf
ask him if he needs a manger/analyst for his sister team lol
glacial fractal
The rest is under NDA
balmy wolf
gotcha
toxic yacht
noah is very optimistic about the OWL
balmy wolf
manage/captain/players/coach for 4 different teams, experienced in the pro scene, etc etc
glacial fractal
I can drop that Joshua is a well connected individual and they are looking at korea
balmy wolf
Joshua?
glacial fractal
Shane is the general manager
balmy wolf
ah
outside of C9/IMT though, which org have good KR connections?
๐ค
TSM?
then again the TSM experiment had gone rather wrongly
so i doubt they want to do it again
glacial fractal
Regi isnt ready for OWL he needs 10 mill for LCS
But you guys didn't hear it from me
balmy wolf
better post it and delete it right away then
and also, always operate under the assumption that you can get screencap
alrighty, saw that.
glacial fractal
So they got approached too
balmy wolf
you guys better type faster though
i swear i have better leak speed than you guys
lolz
so you mean Agape going to coach a foreign team?
rapid oxide
Hyped has something better to do anyway 
balmy wolf
you mean sleeping with his GF?
you know, this is the part i'm kind of mad about not having the right emote to express what i want to express with that particular line
rapid oxide
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toxic yacht
really nice up-to-date site ๐
glacial fractal
Does anyone work in esports here?
toxic yacht
we have a few pros who occasionally come here
glacial fractal
Nah IMT has big investments in CSGO too
rapid oxide
true
balmy wolf
still waiting for Echo Fox to invest in OW zzzzzzz
rapid oxide
but their compatriots SK are better
balmy wolf
I remember when it was rumored that Echo Fox was going to buy Selfless' roster
balmy wolf
ikr
rapid oxide
iirc the only org that truly care about OW is Rogue
balmy wolf
if I were Echo Fox though, I'd tell them to buy KDP outright.
rapid oxide
because is the only game where they are dominating
crisp lynx
how about nV
glacial fractal
I feel bad for CLG i see them disbanding soon
rapid oxide
csgo
balmy wolf
nV is putting decent money into OW though
rapid oxide
ill say 2nd
balmy wolf
but their bread and butter is still going to be CSGO and Call of Duty
rapid oxide
yep
balmy wolf
yeah, CLG kind of sucks. They signed the one percenter, and it took them how many months to be in relevancy, but then their team just flounder
glacial fractal
Devan and George are one of the only 2 orgs in esports to not get VC funding. I doubt they can convince their investors to pull another 10 mill
They got the 10 mill for lcs easy
balmy wolf
wait, which org?
toxic yacht
I expected to have a "FaZe released their roster" post on r/cow the entire time
and the bingo to get stronger
rapid oxide
toxic yacht
kinda interesting that they actually stuck to their guns and still believe in SDB
glacial fractal
CLG and tsm are the last endemic orgd to not sell equoty
balmy wolf
ah
glacial fractal
Typos my bad
toxic yacht
Thypos
balmy wolf
Team Liquid of all people actually have enough money to buy an OWL spot outright too
which is rather amazing
and also they stuck with their Quake roster for so long
i'm actually close to commending them for that
since TL had been basically a T2 gatekeeper for NA OW
Steve Arhancet?
glacial fractal
Yea
balmy wolf
"Steve was the founder of Team XXX. He was an active member of team XXX in the competitive multiplayer Civilization IV"
TIL there's competitive Civilization IV
apparently?
rapid oxide
toxic yacht
you'd be surprised by some the games that have competitive scenes
rapid oxide
minecraft
crisp lynx
oops
balmy wolf
pugG esport ๐
toxic yacht
yes, that one yikes danteh
balmy wolf
...........what
rapid oxide
then hello kitty world online esport wasn't a bad idea afterall ๐ค
balmy wolf
tell Steve though that they have a fan for actually sticking with their old men Quake roster for so long, @glacial fractal
glacial fractal
Will do next time i run into him
During LCS promotions he was walking around in the player lounge in circles and said he felt as if he was about to get a heart attack
rapid oxide
i can talk with jeff kaplan if you want reign, i know him
balmy wolf
i actually was becoming a TL lol fan. Their LoL documentary was really well done. Too bad they played like shite.
balmy wolf
according to Alicus
the problem with TL LoL is apparently the management
they threw money at Reignover to get him to sign
and it resulted in fuck all it seems
glacial fractal
I went to school with david ( the coach ) csm confirm not a problem
balmy wolf
@rapid oxide yeah, ask him to be more esport focus, plz
rapid oxide
Will do next time i run into him
balmy wolf
lol
half an hour till APEX
somebody should just sign KDP/Meta Athena/LW Blue already
and bring them to NA
glacial fractal
Just saying things are in motion
And kongdoo is already a big org
They control SKT's media streaming rights
balmy wolf
i heard that from LoL
glacial fractal
Meta is actually run by a former TSM player
balmy wolf
so when we will expect the telecom giants to join?
glacial fractal
When OWL hits probably, the telecoms dont treat esports as a big project. The CEO of SKT didnt even know he had a team when they won worlds in 2013 lol
The fear atm in korea is team's leaving for NA
balmy wolf
is it warranted?
glacial fractal
When you bleed your top talent APEX gets screwed
Salaries are so much higher in NA it isn't even funny
balmy wolf
I want more cross region play tbh, but if that means poaching some talents from KR, then i'm all for it
so I guess something about that is already in motion, @glacial fractal ?
glacial fractal
Yea players dont get paid half as much as NA players
Many have said they would leave in a heartbeat
balmy wolf
not surprise. I've heard that many players also want to maximize their earnings before the inevitable manatory draft
as an NA/EU fans though, having Korean teams poached to NA will make the region stronger in the short, and long term.
which is good for growth
glacial fractal
China js digging their claws in with player purchase offers in the six figure range
So yea....
balmy wolf
i thought Chinese orgs are losing interests in OW?
and also, somebody tell Nate Nanzer to USE THE TWITTER FOR OW CONTENDERS FFS
forest raven
imo only the truly popular streamers could survive off streaming alone
glacial fractal
That was until the LPL franchise got announced
Now all of China is about franchising
Buzzword
balmy wolf
one of the bigger events in the year, sanctioned by Blizzard themselves, and no fucking twitter or advertisement
forest raven
Seagull, Harb, iddqd, Surefour and a few others could easily make more money off being dedicated streamers than being on a pro team + streaming
glacial fractal
From talking with Runner from team RunAway i can say the man is loaded
His wife too
forest raven
Seagull, if he were to stream for a full year would have a seven figure salary
Surefour, Harb, idd all in the high six figures
Easily
balmy wolf
well @forest raven NRG spent about nearly half a mil for all the NRG roster costs that had incurred
forest raven
Yeah lol
balmy wolf
not quite Harb/IDD in that particular region though
rapid oxide
so many moneys, so little results
forest raven
Seagull as a streamer makes infinitely more money for NRG than he would as a player
balmy wolf
at least i know their buyout but even then that's kind of chump change when you consider how utterly of a failure of a team they have
seriously Echo Fox, just poach LW Blue or Meta/KDP
glacial fractal
NRG has almost infinite money with their sponsorship deal with Washington DC
balmy wolf
just so that I can get these lazy NA players some kick in the butts
so that the scene can grow stronger
@glacial fractal their upper management doesn't seems to bright though
why would you want to get Derrick "I ran TSM OW into the ground" Truong as your GM?
and their OW team was put together in the most armchair analyst as possible
glacial fractal
They're the one org whose management I haven't met
They got relegated before i got into LCS stuff lmao
They had the worst possible roster
balmy wolf
that was a year ago, wasn't it
glacial fractal
Yea
balmy wolf
NRG seems to be incompetent except for Rocket League, of all things
balmy wolf
I swear I could put for NRG a decent roster for OW
with maybe half of the hassle and more expedient, with all these FA lying around
glacial fractal
How did they lose clockwork I have no idea
balmy wolf
it was the part of the second roster purge
forest raven
Clockwork's performance in NRG compared to FNRGFE is quite night and day
balmy wolf
and according to Seagull, he was against it because he questioned Clockwork's approach to the game
rapid oxide
https://twitter.com/JoshNissan/status/874140081229094916 kek mad because you were shit on ow too? 
Twitter
glacial fractal
NRG doesn't appear to understand IMT's motto of building rather than buying talent
balmy wolf
that's kind of an epidemic in NA tbh
a lot of teams are player-run
which is ok in the short run if the teams are producing results
glacial fractal
Those will die off in the long run
forest raven
Since they did their 2nd roster purge
balmy wolf
i mean according to someone I know, their roster is so shit is because even Seamoose is not being able to handle a couple of players who insist on playing it their way
so you know
forest raven
Seagull benched himself shortly before their first tourney, never found a permanent 6th, then Ajax left, and they haven't found a permanent 2nd healer
glacial fractal
Did you know both LG and Toronto Esports are in the same city? If OWL goes there it will be weird to see what happens
balmy wolf
TO is not big enough afaik though
forest raven
LG has more money than TO
glacial fractal
Both the local NBA and NHL team are interested
glacial fractal
So LG money doesnt matter
balmy wolf
forest raven
Plus, it's a possibility that a team doesn't need to be in a city to represent it
See NRG with Washington and their teamhouse being in Vegas
rapid oxide
god please no fucking NGCEO
glacial fractal
Thr Vegas house might be temporary
forest raven
Why's that
glacial fractal
While they try to sell the place
Shaq having a spare property in vegas isn't surprising
forest raven
Is it actually Shaq's house or are you saying that because he's a well known investor in the org
rapid oxide
prob shaq still think seagull is in
glacial fractal
Its not unlikely that the org has connections to secure some housing
balmy wolf
it is always leasing I think
ah
that's kind of make me wonder, what about Faze and their owner's mansion then? Where would they put their OW team?
glacial fractal
There is some tax thing where the paper work needs to get done cuz it was a purchase >$1 mill usd
Lol faze needs an NBA investor first
The non-endemics will be able to draw loyalty and develop the regional fan base better than any esports team
balmy wolf
is there anyone interested in them?
their CSGO/CoD/OW certainly looks good enough for someone to invest in
I suspected that OWL will ultimately be a partnership between the non endemic org and the endemic org though
non endemic provides the cash, the PR, and the expertise while the endemic orgs provide the management, experience and manpower
now just the question of who in what city ๐ค
feral solar
everytime on overcast with thorin monte says "uhh i can't say anything about the teams" i die from the inside
contracts suck
rapid oxide
what got leaked
glacial fractal
I know that feel
rapid oxide
is that scoreboard is in high priority
feral solar
haha yep
balmy wolf
i need to actually whore myself to get more experience on coaching/analyst then
just to be ready to whore myself for OWL 
feral solar
thorin brought up a great pont of why arent LoL and ow leaking each others stuff
glacial fractal
Get stuff done
forest raven
Hype fuckin matches tonight, boys
balmy wolf
here's hoping KDP actually beat LH this time
instead of falling apart mentally again
KDP seems weak on the mental front
glacial fractal
Where do you draw that conclusion from?
It's hard to make that claim without really hearing their coms
balmy wolf
their losses vs LH and Mighty AOD
rapid oxide
it's hard to make claim without facts too
balmy wolf
so, over under Sayaplayer on McCree vs Arhan on Genji/Tracer?
glacial fractal
Saya has a mean tracer too
balmy wolf
here's bracing for some 5 seconds head twisting camera changes
this meta is so spectate-able with 6 DPS flying around the maps
balmy wolf
Carbon Entertainment did a good job if anything
just need to strike the right balance
ZP mentioned a good idea of 10 seconds kill feeds in advance
which is good for set up first person cam for big plays
and of course for fail plays as well
glacial fractal
Have you tried doing vod review like flame freedo amd skyline?
balmy wolf
nope. I usually live spectate/going over VODS privately more
will whore myself for some more experience though (after talking over with some coaches/analyst I know)
glacial fractal
You could just go start stuff as an independent
balmy wolf
that's what i intend to do
need to sort out my schedule though
currently managing two teams, coaching in one
glacial fractal
Will u become the next flame?
balmy wolf
maybe
if there's a will, there's a way
I was banned from his discord so this might be a good revenge 
glacial fractal
Why?
balmy wolf
some non-OW arguments
I sometimes hold contentious opinions, willing to defend it and some people just don't like that
that's all there is to it.
glacial fractal
Its my first time in this discord I always assumed people from r Overwatch dont like esports
forest raven
There's a small sub community that are quite passionate and interested
feral solar
try talking about it in gen discussion
forest raven
Wow, I see how it is
feral solar
i will unmute it just for you
forest raven
balmy wolf
Arhan using a Final Mouse 
feral solar
that looked easier than it actually was
supple nymph
Final Mouse?
balmy wolf
http://www.finalmouse.com/shop.php he is using this one @supple nymph
@glacial fractal gotcha
supple nymph
best espsorts mouse huh
balmy wolf
"best"
supple nymph
i dunno how some random company can out of nowhere make the best mouse....
but sure
wary falcon
TIME TO WATCH MY BOY ARHAN SLASH SOME AIR
balmy wolf
fun fact: emongg lost his team a match vs Rogue because of this mouse fucking up
supple nymph
did he use that mouse too?
balmy wolf
used to
supple nymph
lol
balmy wolf
like there was one particular moment where he missed an easy right click as Roadhog against an earthshattered Unkoee
to which Unknoee got unstun
and nano Nico
and of course he teamwiped Selfless
that teamfight was swift
supple nymph
i usually just buy logitech since theyve been making them since the 90s
i had a razer once but it was sketchy
balmy wolf
i bought a Razer Mamba wireless instead of G900
it was because of my brother
recommendation
months later I bought the G403
Sayaplayer got 2 picks by himself but then Meta Athena got picked off
feral solar
i dont think both support ults were necessary for that last fight from AF
balmy wolf
double support ults is always a bad idea
unless it is last team fight
you need to stagger it
supple nymph
c9
red anvil
meta ๐ฆ
feral solar
this looks like a 3-0 now
feral solar
go read what people were saying about then 4 months ago
wary falcon
i prefer to discuss airhan ultimates
feral solar
its still the same
toxic yacht
lol
red anvil
i appriciate these sprays too much
balmy wolf
Meta is following the meta rather closely
ironically
Arhan's blade had been residentsleeper so far
balmy wolf
it does give a different perspective on the nV vs Meta match up, doesn't it
balmy wolf
Meta is not playing to their strength
or rather, unable to play
because all of their wacky strats are expected now
wary falcon
how many maps KDP will get?
rapid oxide
Meta is like Rogue, hell group
red anvil
i'm guessing 3-1 on LH vs. KDP
balmy wolf
"It's just shit thinking out of my head. But you know they get paid more by losing this match and MA and nV have some history. I'm not actually believing this but..."
red anvil
how many minutes untill that gets deleted
kindred kiln
thats quite a thin layer of tinfoil
balmy wolf
people is already coming out and claim that Meta Athena wasn't even that good
top 4 APEX S2 but one loss and they are not T1
kindred kiln
i missed it as always - how terrible MA was today?
balmy wolf
every map was one sided
they were trying to outdived a dive team
which is a bad idea against a rejuvenating AF BLue
whose bread and butter is dive.
kindred kiln
so now they meet envy, which is probably a loss for them too
balmy wolf
idk, Meta can just pull out the attack Junkrat and then scare nV again
nV probably still have PTSD from that
supple nymph
WhoRU is not on the main roster today. Gido's replacing him instead.
kindred kiln
that would be good, but that still means that no matter who wins,i lose 1 team i root for Q_Q
supple nymph
PAID TO THROW
kindred kiln
this shall be interesting
supple nymph
WE WILL MAKE YOU THINK UNFORTUNATE FOR FACING US
feral solar
miro is always straight fire in these
red anvil
LH probably feeling safe about this match so they wane give Gido some experience
balmy wolf
this errily reminded me of that time Lunatic Hai claimed they will 4-0 Rogue in APAC..........
glad chasm
Miro had some weird side peach fuzz sideburn action going on
balmy wolf
RJH is like "where are we"
red anvil
Gido seems mainly to be tracer and offtanks, curious how he will be a stand in for who r u in the team
trying esca on something else?
hes tracer been strong af. this apex season
balmy wolf
on Ana
rapid oxide
soldier
glad chasm
^
rapid oxide
people are mentally challenged
red anvil
yeah but thats mainly from last season
wary falcon
esca is good on soldier
red anvil
where there were facepalm upon facepalm
balmy wolf
i mean his tracer has one good performance and reddit suddenly "Esca > Soon"
glad chasm
Or sbb?
balmy wolf
silver players will always be silver
red anvil
LH outplayed rogue as a whole, there were no esca > soon there
that i'll admit, but escas tracer is a lottttt better then it was
kindred kiln
thats why you never go there :/
wary falcon
d.va+winston+pharah
balmy wolf
shouldn't Zunba eat that shit?
supple nymph
LOOL
wary falcon
i don't understand point
red anvil
MIRO
glad chasm
Lmao
feral solar
hahaha
balmy wolf
wtf was KDP doing
wary falcon
how zen+lucio can heal d.va+winston+pharah
i can hear "i need healing" in genji voice
supple nymph
BEAUTIFUL TRACKING
kindred kiln
that was a bit of overkill on ult usage
glad chasm
They need to lose the pharah here
wary falcon
birdring got bullied hard
red anvil
i love this
balmy wolf
Arhan got his healing
his blade still shits though
double support ult
what is this
wary falcon
they need to change heroes
pine star
I know Meta's cryptonite is dive but, 3-0? Damn
supple nymph
bye d va
red anvil
gido and his sprays
supple nymph
KR players spray every 5 seconds
balmy wolf
LH's ult usage is super messy
balmy wolf
no clue
wary falcon
gido is so much better than esca as tracer
wary falcon
but he has beautiful tracking and can do terrible terrible damage
kindred kiln
why trans there at all?
i get it,they got the point anyway
but there was no need in that at all
balmy wolf
i remember LH's coach talking about ult usage being reactive
but these reactive ult is just messy
KDP mess up their engages for the last map with questionable support ult usage too
red anvil
ok i give up, esca on solider and 2nd hitscan is working so well
red anvil
that was equally as much gido fault for being a even worse genji though
wary falcon
you mean Gido?
red anvil
auto correct typo
wary falcon
was shocked by image Gabe Newell playing on genji
red anvil
sorry to disapoint, hes more of a roadhog
supple nymph
DVA ASSSASSINATED
supple nymph
ESCA LUL
red anvil
nvm everything i said about escas tracer
supple nymph
ESCA CARRIED
wary falcon
he wasted zen ulti because he wanted to play ana
or he picked ana because he wasted zen ulti
๐ค
toxic yacht
probably the first on
red anvil
gido on ana, this guy is proflex
balmy wolf
time to me to doze off again
red anvil
a couple more heroes and he have a bigger hero pool then rogue gathered
balmy wolf
KDP is getting their shit kicked in
kindred kiln
hanzo pls stop throwing
wary falcon
so 1-1
balmy wolf
Hanzo is basically Widow in a triple DPS dive
Widow is still better realistically though. Hitscan > projectile
red anvil
1-1 deffo
rapid oxide
Can't understand why they keep try that 3 supp meta
Would make sense in the past with 80dmg ana
But now not really
rapid oxide
Esca is good on soldier and cree since forever
rapid oxide
Never was good on Tracer idk why they forced him
Like the early sombra attack on Kings Row
balmy wolf
I just want LH to be knock down to loser's bracket
rapid oxide
Want my qtie rascal to get his revenge on LH
Even if he's pretty meh today
Gido is not terrible with genji
balmy wolf
it feels like Gido was their ace in the sleeve
but the ace only works for one map so far
since I believe this is the first time Gido played in APEX with LH
I just want KDP to knock LH down to loser bracket
aah ok
I just want LW Blue and KDP to continue
X6/AFB/LW Blue/KDP top 4 would be amazing
supple nymph
NV*
supple nymph
you're a lost cause
balmy wolf
lol
like, when nV had Talespin and Hulk, they can actually run their own version of dive
but this version it seems like they can't
red anvil
if effect was just slightly more serious and came on time when LH had him on trail, he might be on a team that matched his skill
balmy wolf
EFFECT is going to get paid though
NA money and all
so i don't think he is that unhappy about his choice
they could maybe put Mickie on Winston, Cocco on Zarya just like how Hulk was the Winston, and let Cocco do the off tanking
since Mickie is supposedly their best Winston
idk, nV's hero pool is all fucked up and weird
EFFECT is supposedly their Genji player as well but he haven't use it (despite having a Genji only acc that reach #2 on the ladderboard)
it is not like they had a flex on the back pocket oh wait he is back in NA with Faze now
feels like they got caught up in their own hype after that close series vs Meta Athena
and then now we all know how meaningless that is when AF Blue completely demolished them
and all of nV's old problem resurfaced again.
glad chasm
These casters have been pretty awful today
wary falcon
seems like KDP 2-1
red anvil
apex aint the same without them