look we made subreddit drama
#esports-discussion
supple nymph
limber pine
Oh boi
toxic yacht
lul
limber pine
We're big time now
toxic yacht
time for the inevitable brigade
red anvil
Sure, everyone knows the defran drama, what happens if seagull or anyone else do something simlar?
blazing parrot
loooool
red anvil
just leave it to bliz and hope for the best?
toxic yacht
then even more people would know of it?
blazing parrot
it would be even worse kaku
red anvil
i wouldent, i dont watch his streams
blazing parrot
"I ALWAYS KNEW SEAGULL WASNT TO BE TRUSTED''
civic marsh
subreddit drama 
blazing parrot
things like that
red anvil
there is a subreddit drama subreddit?
blazing parrot
yes
toxic yacht
yes
red anvil
how did i never know about this
limber pine
^
toxic yacht
at least r/quityourbullshit is more productive than r/SRD
blazing parrot
so true lol
toxic yacht
SRD is pretty much just brigades (that totally don't happen, they swear that it's not them) and people festering in drama
supple nymph
@limber pine so talking about a pro's negative behavior is absolutely not allowed, even if it reflects on their team?
blazing parrot
rapid oxide
https://dotesports.com/overwatch/overwatch-leavers-get-rekt-15108 that link tho lol
toxic yacht
tbh I think that locking the threads is the best course of action
limber pine
In the current set of rules, its grey
limber pine
The next iteration will not be as kind to public figures doing public things in the public
supple nymph
which extends to players
toxic yacht
ah, leavers are satan
but throwers are fine
they don't exist in blizz's eyes
๐
civic marsh
i saw a guy trying to defend throwers by saying they paid for the game and can play it however they want 
red anvil
lol
blazing parrot
tbh
supple nymph
ok but surely their behavior streaming the game they are a pro in is relevant
blazing parrot
i dont like it but i agree with it lol
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
still should get banned for doing it
supple nymph
that greatly affects how their team is viewed
civic marsh
throwing is griefing and griefing is against the rules/tos
graceful adder
and Blizzard should feel free to ban that player yeah
civic marsh
so the whole "you can play how you want" defence doesn't really apply when you are breaking the tos
i can understand that defence for one tricks but not throwers
blazing parrot
do you mind linking me to ow tos detailing about griefing?
civic marsh
i mean, it's a reportable offense so they don't want you doing it
wary falcon
I see a lot of new people here
limber pine
Drama breeds discussion
blazing parrot
same
red anvil
Hey, i come here once in a while, once there is an ongoing stream 
toxic yacht
Tricky and Kaku aren't regulars, but I've seen them before
never heard of Ythera though
hai
graceful adder
hellloooooooooooo
toxic yacht
hek off kvo
civic marsh
i just dropped in during takeover 2 ๐
graceful adder
I probably said random things from time to time
blazing parrot
love you too sojum
blazing parrot
do it mr. helicopter.
toxic yacht
it was something special
blazing parrot
no balls
wary falcon
Why pinnacle don't have bet about taimou
toxic yacht
why hasn't taimou been fined this OGN Season yet?
civic marsh
remember when kruise got a 4k on nepal and they still lost the fight and map 
wary falcon
That's right
wary falcon
Can't wait for Taimou to duck up
red anvil
still curous how envy will play against more competent teams. But i guess we wont see it before group play 2 is done
civic marsh
doesn't really matter, griefing is a reportable and bannable offense
red anvil
"You further represent and warrant that you will not use or contribute User Content that is unlawful, tortious, defamatory, obscene, invasive of the privacy of another person, threatening, harassing, abusive, hateful, racist or otherwise objectionable or inappropriate. Blizzard may remove any User Content and any related content or elements from Battle.net at its sole discretion."
griefing is under harashment
limber pine
harshament
toxic yacht
harshament
red anvil
wups copied the wrong paragraph
clever wagon
With Overwatch pro scene drama even mineral water can taste like the best tea while chilling and reading
toxic yacht
weeb
clever wagon
What the fuck Sojum that was uncalled for
toxic yacht
solid spear
Weeb smh
clever wagon
I mean it's not like I'm fawning over this certain weeb show I'm watching and yelling and screaming about it like I do over a certain other weeb show which new episode is going to come out in a few hours
solid spear
Mhmmm
clever wagon
I'm fucking dying and I can't type without a fuck ton of typos
toxic yacht
pls stop dying
blazing parrot
@limber pine 
toxic yacht
lul
limber pine
words are hard
solid spear
Dafran killing OW 
blazing parrot
like blizzard needed dafran to do that
civic marsh
limber pine
what a fun day
heavy meteor
ty ๐
im looking to get into ow seriously
thought this is a good place to find like minded people
blazing parrot
you want to go pro?
blazing parrot
alright then
do you want to discuss about the pro scene, be a caster, be a pro or what?
specifically
pulsar void
part of me wants to cast, but as a gold player, I don't feel like I have the skill or expertise quite yet to do the analytical side of casting
I can be the Hype man
but thats about it
blazing parrot
why not work on that then?
like understanding the analytical side of it
and learn why pros do things and why they dont
etc
pulsar void
I kind of also want to get a compare and contrast going on as to the differences between how Pros play and how Ranked players play, there seems to be a contrast, but I'd like to expirience the ranked part first hand at a higher elo
the other part of it, I feel like I wouldn't be taken seriously if I wasn't a higher rank
balmy wolf
well my friend
there's pro play
scrim play
and ladder play
ladder play is basically competitive mode. And NA ladder is the worst ladder out of every region
scrim play is basically organized amateur teams that practice via custom games.
this is the closest to pro plays as you can
and of course there's pro play
pulsar void
I know starting out I'd be commentating on scrim plays, but even then I feel like any comments or insight I give would be dismissed because I'm "Gold", even if I develop the analyitcal side of commentating to a high degree
I'm not sure why that bothers me alot, but it does
pulsar void
sorry I meant amature tourneys
blazing parrot
i mean theres a general notion that the higher up the ladder the better you are as a player
which translates into gamesense and understanding
heavy meteor
well to be honest.... i want to climb to top 500 and be a streamer ๐
blazing parrot
which is sorta important for casting
heavy meteor
it sounds cheesy and i know everyone and their mom wants to do that
toxic yacht
My dream is to marry seagull
heavy meteor
twitch / youtube gaming is what i want to do
pulsar void
yeah that makes more sense
well Salbatic, better get started on it,
ask any streamer/youtuber, its a hell of alot of time and effort you have to put in without much recognition till you start gaining traction
unless you're dinoflask ofc
heavy meteor
i know ... need to get started...
blazing parrot
@toxic yacht lol someones too pussy to tell him on his real account https://twitter.com/dafraniscancer/status/872822589575581697
Twitter
heavy meteor
started with recording all my gameplay and editing and putting it up on youtue
toxic yacht
jfc lol
blazing parrot
dinoflask actually puts a lof of time and effort into his videos
and without r/ow he wouldnt be popular
toxic yacht
I agree that dafran is a fuckig retard for doing this, but c'mon people
this is getting ridiculous
lol
heavy meteor
gonna start building traction there
blazing parrot
its even more pathetic
that the person cant tell him with his real account
just some asshat who thinks hes cool
balmy wolf
@toxic yacht this is what you get for inciting 100K people with idiotic modding
heavy meteor
lol
I can imagine that Dafran must have been super bored and just wanted to have some fun
but things blew way up
solid spear
I mean people are blaming mods but the people on the sub are being retards anyway
heavy meteor
kephrii was being so sweet ad asking his chat to not flame him and standing up for Dafran saying 'im sure there a reason to why he's doing'
balmy wolf
i mean and then you have the pros joined his chat
and joined in the fun
and lol "reason"
Hanlon's razor, my friend
balmy wolf
he flipped burgers at McDonald and this time he is really flippant at people's rage
blazing parrot
maybe the mods feel like the discussion threads were going no where
balmy wolf
i don't have a horse in the race. Just observing the dynamics is probably enough to me.
blazing parrot
and wanted to follow blizz standars
heavy meteor
well he should move into flipping real estate ... he's just good at flipping xD
blazing parrot
but whoe the fuck knows
balmy wolf
the mods could have handle things better to be quite honest
instead of letting things escalates like this
heavy meteor
what exactly happened with the mods.. i tuned out after a while
blazing parrot
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
heavy meteor
oh lol... that
balmy wolf
TLDR they closed 3 threads about his throwing, and then of course people decided to spread the wildfire elsewhere instead
heavy meteor
yeah semes like protecting the number 1 ranked NA player 3 seasons in a row didnt go well
blazing parrot
yea
heavy meteor
well Dafran is a big part of esports overwatch so its relavent
blazing parrot
the threads were just p much "DAFRAN SUCKS WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT DIS"
"BLIZZ KNEEEDS TO KNOW"
heavy meteor
poor kephrii though.. he was enjoying the free SR till Dafran started asking people to snipe throw his games
blazing parrot
"HOW DARE HE DO DIS"
heavy meteor
keph had to stop streaming xD
balmy wolf
i mean it is up to his rights to do whatever. FFS though if you want to troll do it more discreetly.
borrowing some plat noobs acc or something
heavy meteor
well to be fair he was already streaming for 13-14 hours straight so he may have peaked already
balmy wolf
Dafran may or may not shoot himself in the foot with that antic, tbh
blazing parrot
yep
balmy wolf
streaming-wise
blazing parrot
and the coowner person p much said "dafran is good guy he deserves another chance"
im so gald
balmy wolf
There are barriers in term of how many people a streamer can get. And certain antics will make people never check out your stream again
blazing parrot
that redditors align throwing in video game to murder
heavy meteor
yeah... well he tweeted that he doesnt care etc etc... he seemed pretty tilted
heavy meteor
at one point he started playing ONLY gordon ramsey videos on his stream
and was like
fuck it.. im infringing copyright.. meh
balmy wolf
i swear i'm 24 years old and I'm more mature than these fools
it is like nobody has heard of how the internet works anymroe
heavy meteor
everyone loves drama
blazing parrot
it just
boogles my mind
when someone
compares murder
to video game throwing
like how stupid are you
civic marsh
someone actually said that?
balmy wolf
link to that?
toxic yacht
...
heavy meteor
lol wait for it....
blazing parrot
why are people upvoting it
blazing parrot
yep
balmy wolf
I mean even Korean fans were on fire about discussing Dafran and his throwing antics
heavy meteor
17 tuitions wasted ^_^
balmy wolf
so you know what the drama has spread far and wide
limber pine
it is what it is
balmy wolf
time for OGN to invite Selfless, put them in group of death, and watch as the drama play itself
civic marsh
dafran goes afk and starts spinning in his chair
toxic yacht
we should make dafran ow hitler
dafran's law
make sure that someone is always compared to dafran
because apparently dafran is literally satan now
remember when monte said that selfless would have a hard time in korea because of sinatraa?
LUL
balmy wolf
"on the scale of 1 to Dafran, how did he throw?"
toxic yacht
well, dafran is the one who posted the "kaiser throwing" clip
ngl, I found that hilarious
balmy wolf
and funnily you said that because apparently according to Flame, Sinatraa is usually the one tilted the least and try to get people to untilt
meanwhile Dafran is well..........out NA NA players
toxic yacht
we discussed something else in-between
it came back to dafran because someone posted something again
lul
well, flame is pretty familiar with a lot of pros
rapid oxide
What flame did lmao
toxic yacht
he probably heard it from selfless themselves
iirc selfless has also positively about sinatraa, but it's in their best interest to not make him look like a dick
I for one, love his teabagging and BM
civic marsh
when they called out xqc for snaking jolson, that was pretty funny
toxic yacht
xQc has reached meme status anyway
not quite on taimou's level yet
but he's a pretty good meme
balmy wolf
Taimou at least know where the line lies
Dafran just tramples all over it
and then complains about people being mean to him about it
toxic yacht
Taimou isn't even that bad imo
he just has no filter
also, that one time
when he said you know what on stream
and as you said, he knows where the line is
balmy wolf
dusty surge
#dafran-discussion
civic marsh
i find that example brad used very strange to be honest
feel free to talk about something else
heavy meteor
quick question ... is there a place here that i can share a 1v1 clip i made to get feedback on?
blazing parrot
toxic yacht
#video-content maybe?
limber pine
E S P O R T S
vestal mortar
I love esports
rapid oxide
Tired of reading of Dafran already
Anyway
I saw the like Sojum
Wanna jump the hype train of Atlantic Showdown?
toxic yacht
I don't think that another one is coming, not gonna jump on the hypetrain
rapid oxide
And watch it crash 
toxic yacht
limber pine
vestal mortar
:C
toxic yacht
I'd like to say that I'm hyped for EU contenders
but honestly
this is probably pretty divisive, but I didn't like the observing
too much flying cam
missed a ton of clutch plays
and I cannot see fps skill in a goddamn fps game
vestal mortar
3rd person dragonblades 
toxic yacht
I like the camera during OT or some nonsense
but like, when someone is very clearly about to make a clutch play and they just don't wanna swap and miss a 4k, I kinda get tilted
balmy wolf
they will probably try to fix things up to get more syncronicity between views for team fight vs FPS for clutch kill
red anvil
Apex camera management is 
balmy wolf
it is not that easy
balmy wolf
WC crew =/= Carbon Entertainment
toxic yacht
admittedly, beyblade was 100x easier to observe
red anvil
tripple dps is the worst to follow with poor camera mangement
or follow at all honestly
balmy wolf
ironically that's the kind of meta people wants
triple tanks actually is easier to spectate, as hilarious as that sounds
i still convinced that there's a brief period during the beyblade meta where it was really good for spectate
not this bullshit
even watching and analyzing coach is a pita because of how micro play dependent this meta is
losing an aim duel = lost team fight
missing sleep dart = lost team fight
get flanked = lost team fight
it is a razor's edge
balmy wolf
or Zarya bubble
balmy wolf
not really, during the beyblade meta the window to disrupt the beyblade was really small
it became an over arching tactics for a reason
and honestly, people wished more DPS because they thought it would be more entertaining
and now we have triple DPS
and the game is a mess to spectate
red anvil
my favorite metas is still 2/2/2 non dive
balmy wolf
so gg?
solid spear
3 dps dive is pretty cancer in general people just like dps so you dont hear a ton of complaints
balmy wolf
there was never that meta lol. All the meta have some sort of uber OP tactics strats
because it haven't reach that point yet.
Soon though, after Contenders people will start asking for dive nerfs again
after all the NA and EU scene just triple DPS dive again and again and again
civic marsh
i don't know if blizzard realised what they did when they changed how winston's bubble cooldown worked
balmy wolf
Blizzard can probably make a shorter balancing cycle
because they only have the data they want or needed to make a balancing decision after months
quad tanks was like months before it was finally nerfed
same with 76 being the premier DPS
that's what you get for balancing after the plebs
instead of just based on pro play
civic marsh
they love to ignore ptr feedback too
like when 35% bastion hit live for a short time
balmy wolf
according to Noukky
only 3 pros actually sent something to Blizzard to tell them about the Bastion buffs
people gotten so used to Blizzard ignoring suggestions that they just don't
which of course made Blizzard thought that buffing Bastion is a good idea
limber pine
yes
slasher got pissed at the discord for not providing feedback when they 'should have'
balmy wolf
I mean Harbleu, Snizzlenose, Hymzi, Emongg and Agilities better fucking send some angry worded letter about the Roadhog nerf
otherwise rip Roadhog
civic marsh
what motivation does anyone have to play ptr?
blizz ignores feedback, games are shit because people don't care
no rank gain or loot box gain
red anvil
only reason to play on PTR is to get a head start on the new maps and changes
wintry matrix
I wouldn't say they ignore
red anvil
thats litteraly it
civic marsh
yep lol
wintry matrix
Its just that its very easy to receive wrong feedback
red anvil
on the bright side, PTR have stopped a few changes
balmy wolf
not nearly enough
they only stop truly game breaking changes
stopped those ana nerfs
civic marsh
almost everything blizz has put on ptr has gone live
balmy wolf
which definitely didnt need to go through
civic marsh
very little doesn't go through
balmy wolf
Its ridiculous though
red anvil
The ana nerfs would have made her less played then Mccree
balmy wolf
They came out with a statement months ago saying they would test new more crazy stuff on PTR and that a very small amount would get through
But its the opposite
civic marsh
yeah
balmy wolf
I highly doubt any pro players gave feedback to the hero designers about the ana changes being bad
but they were reverted
because the forums didnt like it
red anvil
well everyone gave feedback so probably some pros that did it as well
no one could have been fine with those changes that knew what they were talking about it
civic marsh
i think everyone and their mom complained about 35% bastion
still hit live for a while
red anvil
well everyone as in all types of groups
balmy wolf
based on?
red anvil
following the update very carefully, and reading a lot of stuffs everywhere?
balmy wolf
Yeah I bet you read in so many diverse groups of people
it is more like people complains on reddit threads and battle.net threads, and good luck trying to get those things to be read by Jeff and the team
and they were all giving feedback
civic marsh
feels like they treat ptr more like a bug finding platform than a balance testing platform
civic marsh
it should be for both
red anvil
i still like the PTR, but they arent using it like they should
civic marsh
btw has any roadhog player other than harb come out and said their opinion on the hog nerfs?
red anvil
Theres so much feedback on roadhog, but i think it's fine that his droprate falls out of the meta for a bit untill there is new use for him found
balmy wolf
yeah
red anvil
conterversial statement as heck but i think he'll be back
balmy wolf
its fine that a hero drops in pickrate because he's garbage
totes
the only reason he will be back is if he's buffed again
solid spear
most people want Hog removed from the game so the feedback is positive lol
and his pickrate isnt high at all to begin with
red anvil
well he is 2nd most picked tank
it's not every game, sure, and his pickrate is deffo healthy
balmy wolf
dumb players can't positioning
what else is new
Zarya is geting the business in term of pick rate
as hilarious as that sounds though
red anvil
in pro maybe, not in gm
red anvil
somewhat i did sure, but should all balancing be done around pro play?
solid spear
yes
balmy wolf
yes.
solid spear
you balance from the top down
red anvil
in pro play sure, i'll agree 100% that hog is balanced
but you aint getting people to watch the pro play if people dont like the heroes from bottom up
or top bottom if thats what prefer
balmy wolf
just because people doesn't know how to play around a certain heroes because they are dumb or whatever in lower elo doesn't mean that the hero need to be nerf
if you balancing around bottom up, you are going to have a shitty time in pro
red anvil
obviously that wasent ment to be taken litteral, if it was bottom up there would only be symmetras
balmy wolf
Bad players can get better. Good players cannot counter OP heroes so they will play them. The easier it is to dominate with a low skill cap heroes, the worse it is for high end competitive
supple nymph
solid spear
basically remove a character from high level play because plats complain on forums
balmy wolf
like Pharmercy is downright OP in lower ranks, same as Roadhog, but she is balanced in pro play (but borderline OP)
so do you nerf her based on Plat Chat? Or do you keep her the same?
solid spear
Pharmercy better than Hog at pro play and plebs complain about her too
red anvil
pharahmercy is still seing play in pro play, more then i'd like honestly
balmy wolf
and also @supple nymph the Entire Eurozone fucked up now
supple nymph
@gentle shuttle https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/6g1454/competitiveoverwatch_is_having_a_bit_of/
balmy wolf
yeah
geezus fucking christ, these people
The Entire Eurozone is making fool of himself
supple nymph
it wasn't even eurozone who deleted the big dafran thead was it
was the guy with the weird name
so much drama
vestal mortar
Oh noey
balmy wolf
well, the guy who deleted the dafran thread smartly just stay mum
so that guy like The Entire Eurozone get the bullets instead
vestal mortar
/r/cow TMZ
balmy wolf
basically a text book case of how to not handle internet drama
deleting threads, reacting poorly to people, lead to banhammer and even more rage
have these people live in the internet before?
supple nymph
i mean they have to remove a lot of threads and it's ok if there's a mistake
but doubling down on something obviously not removed for a good reason
then tripling down...
blazing parrot
puble vote to remove a mod 
balmy wolf
i mean if there's a new competitive overwatch subreddit that sprung out of this
blazing parrot
discord?
balmy wolf
the mods have no one but themselves to blame for the schism
@blazing parrot subreddits lol
blazing parrot
o
balmy wolf
I got a golden symmetra gun
supple nymph
does cow have a head mod
blazing parrot
i think its unsuprising how the community reacts to things like this
did no one think about the fallout?
wasnt it obvious how badly people would react?
balmy wolf
clearly the mods didnt
blazing parrot
take away people's rant threads
and theyre just going to make more and more rant threads
balmy wolf
the mods will probably double or triple down even further at this rate
to which I say "godsfuckingspeed"
blazing parrot
r/ow went down the drain
supple nymph
Twitter
blazing parrot
and now cow will too
red anvil
Whats defrans alt SR now?
amber ember
is eurozone being a prat again
blazing parrot
thats what ya get for hoping a video game subreddit would be good 
red anvil
expected it to have gone lower after all those time honestly but thanks
blazing parrot
same kaku
red anvil
but if you got that insane MMR i assume its not easy to break
rapid oxide
STOP WITH DAFRAN HOLY FUCK
amber ember
IDDQD vs. Fnatic
Talespin vs. EnVy
Taimou vs. OGN
Taimou vs. OGN again
TwoEasy vs. FaZe
Denial vs. BK Stars
xQc vs. Jolson
EscA vs. Twitch chat
Sinatraa vs. Sportsmanship
Seagull vs. NRG
aKm vs. Kimchi
ZP vs. Mendo
Alicus vs. Reinforce
r/COW vs. Torbjรถrn Throw vs. "Witch Hunting"
Lunatic Hai (Dean & Leetaejun) vs fangirls
Munchkin vs fangirls
blazing parrot
amber ember
solid spear
nah you gotta hear cow bitch about not being able to cry about Dafran for a week
blazing parrot
oh yes the list of drama
blazing parrot
on cow
amber ember
im sure you could put more stuff on that list
blazing parrot
drama from cow
rapid oxide
cya in 1 week when this dafran pointless drama will stop
blazing parrot
a lot of it got hyped by reddit lol
red anvil
it'll be done in a day or two
amber ember
lol
blazing parrot
o
limber pine
*and
blazing parrot
i forgot about applications lulz
supple nymph
i think he was expecting a more spicy answer
amber ember
cant decide if i want to follow reddit drama or election drama 
limber pine
Mod life is less spicy that you think
*than
It's a lot hard work with very little benefit
blazing parrot
naive ingot
Hey guys, I still need a few more esports fans to take my survey comparing sports and esports fans, it would help me out a ton if you could take 5-10 minutes out of your day and fill it out ๐ https://ww2.unipark.de/uc/K_0173/cb93/
limber pine
Death, taxes, and subreddit drama
toxic yacht
ngl
Euro's "leave" comment
is completely fine imo
lul
he's like "BOO FUCKING HOOO, IMMA GO AWAY"
and he's like "leave."
and them people are angry
๐ค
amber ember
well when you compare how he is acting to how sprite is acting
its pretty obvious one way to respond is a lot better
solid spear
Uh that dude was being a fucking baby if he wants to leave then leave
blazing parrot
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
amber ember
yeah thats cuz everyone is in "fuck mods" mode
and just downvoting anything with a green m
toxic yacht
one of the guys who got banned called euro a cancerous asshole...
lol
but "MUH MOD ABOOSE"
blazing parrot
mods are people too lul
solid spear
They should go back to arguing whose mental illness is worse
amber ember
that whole thread is just shit from both sides
balmy wolf
i mean PR response is still better than "fuck you too" type of response
amber ember
though tbh i still dont understand how its witchhunting when he streamed doing it
but w/e
balmy wolf
I found it amusing that r/compow have less people than r/ow but more mods
personally i'd set a clear set of rules but is also loose
content will filter itself out
balmy wolf
i mean r/OW is basically the opposite
where you let the lunatics run the asylum
hell even my fucking IRC had better modding and rules than this
solid lily
what happened to talespin
last lantern
LOL
solid spear
Paladins double xp 
last lantern
well yeah
balmy wolf
He left EnVyUs during APEX Season 2, proceeded to trial for multiple teams of the next few months and then landed with Fnatic but Fnatic dropped their roster and now he's looking for options again @solid lily
last lantern
he left during season 1 actually
solid lily
thanks. good to know hes still active
last lantern
and then they went on to win with mickie
and harryhook and internet hulk switched roles
balmy wolf
To a wall?
sturdy granite
listen, the conversation will return to nrg at some point, its only a matter of time
balmy wolf
RIP DAFRAN
"Due to this violation, as of June 8, Blizzard will suspend Dafranโs access to his current Overwatch accounts for one week, and from Competitive Play for the remainder of Season 5. Further, Dafran is disqualified from Overwatch Contenders Season Zero, will not be eligible for Overwatch Contenders Season One, and is disqualified from all future Blizzard-sanctioned tournament play. Dafranโs Overwatch Contenders team is still eligible to compete with a substitute."
solid lily
deserved
midnight lagoon
i dont really keep up with this stuff, why did this happen?
balmy wolf
he stream himself throwing
balmy wolf
Dafran, from flipping burger, to flipping burger again
blazing parrot
RIP selfless
you shall be remembered as team of t0xics
until you get a new carry
sturdy granite
BANHAMMER HIT HARD
supple nymph
HOYL SHIT
graceful adder
Blizzard took action and wasn't soft about it, damn
balmy wolf
oh wait
they literally just softened his punishment now
""future Blizzard-sanctioned tournament play for the duration of this competitive season""
blazing parrot
o wait
balmy wolf
RIP DAFRAN SEASON 5
blazing parrot
they totally should have not
)))
the ow is going craze about it lol @balmy wolf
balmy wolf
i know @blazing parrot
blazing parrot
lol
limber pine
๐ซ
trim trellis
lol rip
solid spear
limber pine
i know i'm late but whatever
amber ember
rip your dad
civic marsh
play silly games win silly prizes
limber pine
reeeee
trim trellis
dad banned
sturdy granite
orphaned
solid spear
Orphan indeed
solid spear
Selfless is kinda just rip now
supple nymph
lots of good koreans to get
balmy wolf
OW Contender Season Zero and One is absolutely RIP for Selfless
and no more stream bux
for Dafran for at least 3 months
blazing parrot
he can stream his softcore weeb shit
sturdy granite
Thats a bummer, back when things were really moving slow in NA, it was exciting to watch Selfless rise up. Hopefully they can find someone who not only fits their team, but helps with their recent inconsistencies.
balmy wolf
Selly is the only one who had outaimed Dafran before. Same hitscan hero pool, etc etc
blazing parrot
yup
balmy wolf
well, he said that he can play all offensive heroes
but can only play hitscan instead
balmy wolf
and it forced C9 into this weird dilemma where you have Surefour on Genji/D.va duty
blazing parrot
a
balmy wolf
Xepher and Selly's Genji was Arhan-tier
balmy wolf
Maybe they'll get bromas
dusty surge
I wonder how long he'll be suspended from selfless.
dusty surge
The "suspended" thing reads to me like "suspended until the internet stops raging"
balmy wolf
He's playing with his own team though
ex Rise is out
of the season 0, remember?
all of them are LFT now
๐ฟ
yeah i forgot they didnt qualify
blazing parrot
im glad he didnt go some bullshit apology about it
he said he did it and deserved it
end of that
no fake "IM SORRY FOR WHAT I DID"
civic marsh
i'm sure with his skill we will see him again in the future
blazing parrot
o definitely
supple nymph
he could always play Paladins
sturdy granite
lol
civic marsh
battleborn just went f2p 
balmy wolf
free trial, you mean
sturdy granite
tfw you've actually played BB in the past and enjoyed it
amber ember
if iddqd fills in for selfless for contenders
that could be juicy
or does playing in qualifiers for nrg disqualify him?
solid spear
hes contracted with another team and is on the active roster they will not let him sub for Selfless
sturdy granite
Its a shame battleborn was pushed out right before OW. Another couple months would have helped. I'm not a big fan of MOBA's, but it had a fun cast of characters
amber ember
screenshots wolf?
balmy wolf
https://puu.sh/weOxV/4e16023ab4.png https://puu.sh/weOzc/6c586ec359.png https://puu.sh/weOza/0eda3ba5e2.png
sturdy granite
lol Phaz
civic marsh
jesus the Phaz one
amber ember
balmy wolf
maybe mendo could sub
11 hours ago
"I honestly do not give a shit what happends to me and my fucking career, you can all go fuck yourselves"
now
"I reap what I sow and I deserve it"
this, is what happen when moderation went wrong
amber ember
phaz is the next artier
blazing parrot
@balmy wolf is career just ended for now
solid spear
Phaz has already surpassed him
blazing parrot
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sturdy granite
At least its good to know that League isn't joking around about this stuff
blazing parrot
i dont think anyone can take tat calmly or as a joke lul
@sturdy granite if only they did this to all griefers and throwers
feral solar
haha
sturdy granite
oooooooooooooo
feral solar
can you msg me the link to that discord?
amber ember
absolutely no mercy omg
sturdy granite
๐
balmy wolf
it is invite only.
feral solar
ahh
sturdy granite
Retzi sounds like a good choice tbh
amber ember
zombs is a noticable downgrade
blazing parrot
@balmy wolf wait isnt dafran still on selfless? just on the inactive roster ?
balmy wolf
they still need someone to play with them in Contenders
sturdy granite
If we should thank Dafran for anything, it should be for all the free Karma that just got handed out
blazing parrot
Effective immediately, Dafran is suspended from the active roster of our Overwatch team.
doesnt this mean hes still on sefless
just not on the active roster
balmy wolf
he still with Selfless, yes
they still have a contract and such
but not playing
so effectively Dafran is their burger boy
graceful adder
To me, it means they'll be looking to replace him... Mendo and Ryb are no longer with the active roster, still with C9 officially
to be seen
balmy wolf
probably not outright replace, but we'll see
they still need a hitscan DPS right at this moment
sturdy granite
Yeah, this isn't going to just disappear after contenders
limber pine
graceful adder
With all the free agents and the roster changes, maybe they'll import a Korean? ๐ค
balmy wolf
i mean, the best solution is to get Selly
but i don't think Selfless have C9 money
so Selfless will have to settle for xRetzi, Calvin, Zombs
or any other hitscan FA that i forgot atm
gentle shuttle
right im slowpoke and i've been ignoring the whole defran thing
what exactly happened leading up to this
balmy wolf
throwing/trolling on stream
people incited, post to r/compow
r/compow handles the business poorly
people post to battle.net and r/ow
versed sinew
he was watching gordon ramsay videos while throwing games as torb on stream
balmy wolf
then of course, Dafran and Selfless "apologize"
hours later
Blizzard hand out the banhammer
so yeah
gentle shuttle
is there footage of his throwing
balmy wolf
dafran didnt apologize
gentle shuttle
iirc he used to have his vods disabled
gentle shuttle
but i know one of you expert sleuths will have the footage
balmy wolf
yeah but that doesnt even work there
somebody clipped that but i'm not bother with it lolz
gentle shuttle
who is brad
balmy wolf
The owner of selfless
gentle shuttle
yo people who have sub-only-vods are going to hell
solid spear
._.
graceful adder
You can see some clips below this one: https://clips.twitch.tv/AdorableHandsomeTurtleBCWarrior
If you are really curious
solid spear
Cantus can now reclaim his throne as #1 player in NA
tired escarp
FeelsBadMan
blazing parrot
s e l l y
balmy wolf
@gentle shuttle Dafran's dumb fans was like "throw4dafran"
balmy wolf
he called his fans OW Isis
and urged them to throw
so you know
great fucking role model there
Selfless is a flipping operation and they are trying so hard to get their team to sell to a high bidder
and now this
gentle shuttle
and i thought these fgc stoners were morons
balmy wolf
tfw a Danish player out NA all every other NA players out ther e
balmy wolf
so yeah @gentle shuttle he did told his fans to queue snipe streamers and throws.
gentle shuttle
wew
solid spear
crazy whats happened to Cyclowns in such short time
supple nymph
literacy access network?
balmy wolf
Dafran, more like Daban, am I right?
supple nymph
??
ripe marlin
lol ???
balmy wolf
narwak gone from GO too
Just before contenders aswell
it is funny because it is true
thats rip
solid spear
Ugh
balmy wolf
for all the talk about Selfless having Sinatraa as the village idiot
who would have thunk Dafran out idiot him
solid spear
Well at least WC stuff should be out in the next week or 2
gentle shuttle
Ore
solid spear
Hiya Zoro
solid spear
Eh Im just avoiding saying a lot of shit I'm thinking about it what's done is done
blazing parrot
Dafran jr gonna walk the same path as his papa
gentle shuttle
smh
solid spear
Weeb ew
balmy wolf
time for Dafran to stream more Nekopara then
solid spear
Nekopara is great
solid spear
About?
balmy wolf
ConnorJ?
gentle shuttle
yeah, we know eachother via SF4 days
he hates V though. It's the first time i've seen him playing a fighting game since being a profeshooler overwatcher
solid spear
you still playing V fam?
short vault
whats going on with sdburn rn
gentle shuttle
hell no
balmy wolf
tired escarp
where do you get these
balmy wolf
starboard of The O.W
tired escarp
wut's that lol
blazing parrot
The O.w is a "pro and gm+ and ow community server"
and starboard is a channel there
blazing parrot
know the right people
tired escarp
balmy wolf
mind you i got invited in just merely by discussing shits in cowleague esport channel
balmy wolf
lol
balmy wolf
for the most part it is pretty boring
balmy wolf
unless you are managing/running a team
tired escarp
LOL
clever wagon
And there are complaints floating around about Discord leaks.
Welp
Little did you know it was all part of Slasher's plan to foster more and more drama
heavy meteor
Yes the blizzard forums took a stance today on 'throwing' games and they will ban players from overwatch competitive completely
balmy wolf
it is going to be the equivalent of a VAC ban
wary falcon
Dafran banned forever?
clever wagon
No, for Contenders 0 and Season 5 competitive.
balmy wolf
And season 1
wary falcon
:(
balmy wolf
that's like nearly 4 months
well Season 0 is 1 month
If season 1 starts within like a week or two of season 0
then its 3 months
2 months ago
wintry matrix
tbh, the guy came to defend him, i'd be pissed too
clever wagon
@frank frigate wouldn't be Around the Watch without the spicy KappaPride titles