i think that doesn't matter, because the team who makes the lootbox content and events is different from the others
#esports-discussion
wintry matrix
balmy wolf
and they are the one also mostly control the twitter
which is why we rarely see any esport shit
because it is not their problem.
wintry matrix
I think just the fact that the aren't any game-changing micro-trans is somewhat of a good sign
i think we'll see more when the League starts
it's still young
balmy wolf
that's what people telling each other before Contenders starts and looks where we at right now
wintry matrix
Contenders is still small fry while in quals
balmy wolf
last year World Cup had to piggy back itself with Blizzcon stream
since the twitter, again, doesn't shill for the WC
so 🔫
wintry matrix
i do agree it would be cool if they marketed more, to attract people early and what not, but i don't think this is a huge sign of end-times
balmy wolf
if competitive overwatch fail, it is one huge misstep
wintry matrix
comp or pro?
balmy wolf
both
wintry matrix
comp can only go up (not saying we're in a perfect spot, but)
balmy wolf
without comp, there's no pro scene, yet the competitive ladder in NA is pretty shit
of course another is that players in NA that doesn't take competitive seriously
wintry matrix
i mean, isn't like that in every matchamking based online competition?
balmy wolf
not really. There are several problems that unique to NA itself
it is always the same problems that make NA such a shit region for esport
wintry matrix
i meant other games, my english is dunk
iron cedar
It's not shit
sturdy granite
Like what? Kr has hackers, Eu has language barriers, and NA has?
wintry matrix
KR everyone tells they have a great mindset, beside the hackers
balmy wolf
not really. DOTA2, CSGO and even LoL for a certain extent have better MM than OW. OW have fast MM, but that's only for casuals
wintry matrix
as for EU and NA opinions are more mixed i think
iron cedar
@sturdy granite hacker aren't only in kr
sturdy granite
I know, but they had a big problem awhile back
balmy wolf
you kind of have to understand that KR region = Asia region. And there's no peak hours in Asia region
because when ever hours pass
another region wake up and play
and PC bangs are a thing in Asia
not just Korea
so what you have is massive populations with easy access to OW + competitive mindset
which is the absolute best combination if you want to foster a scene
KR just have over representatives over in the top 500
balmy wolf
nope.
wintry matrix
because of how different both country economics are or something
solid lily
NA is too big
balmy wolf
not really
more like a. Console
b. NA does not have that much population
and c. barrier to entry is higher
wintry matrix
isn't console big in asia? at least in japan
balmy wolf
of course, there's d, which is "a lackluster attitude when it come to fuckin' mindset"
@wintry matrix in Japan it is arcade and console, which explains why competitive OW teams from Japan always acts as punching bag for other region
but not in any other region
I mean, yesterday's Dafran throw stream is basically the nutshell of NA OW and its competitive ladder as a whole
one trick, throwers, lack of people in peak hours, shitty matchmaking because lack of people, skewered top 500, etc etc
and these issues are NA alone
toxic yacht
mfw EU comes to NA to pollute it and hek the reputation
wintry matrix
Dafran is eu*
toxic yacht
NA needs so many imports that they even import professional throwers
balmy wolf
that's the irony @wintry matrix
in Asia, you couldn't fucking one trick Mercy on your way to top 500 without a coordinated dive team just fucking merk you
and their top 500 cutoff is significantly higher than NA too
but in NA Mercy one tricks are flying everywhere
iron cedar
What your point again?
I think I lost it in your rant. 🙄
blazing parrot
probably something about how na sucks
balmy wolf
NA had eternally been a cesspool in every esport
and nothing sort of a magic eraser will change that
it is no coincidence that NA is the weakest region in LoL, CSGO, and to a lesser extent DOTA2
hell, in NA OW, what are the two teams that have been reigning supreme in here? Rogue and nV. And their roster for all intent and purposes are EU
meanwhile all the native NA talents are mostly beating each other up to get a chance to get fucked vs those two
solid lily
sc2 has neeb
balmy wolf
you mean that Starcraft 2 scene where all the Koreans absolutely abused the no region locking rules until Blizzard had to do it because natives talents can't grow?
and even then that was too late to actually do anything now that Starcraft 2 scene is slowly going back to BW instead
solid lily
now you are ranting about something completely different.
balmy wolf
the point is the same: NA had been historically a shit place for talent to grow and foster
no matter what esport you are talking about
so unless there's a change in approach, mentality, or else, on a large scale
it is going to be the same for a long time.
solid lily
this has been known since quake and bw days
balmy wolf
in NA Quake is actually decent showings. Rapha, ID, Dahang, Chance, and Fatal1ty are all native talents
it is a very small exception
"We're confident. We played against EUnited in Korea and they couldn't go past the first points of the maps. In the group stage, we did 3-1. on Hanamura, we were not so good but in the end the series went ok. As you probably have seen on Twitter, we had an issue with our British Airways connecting flight in Londong when coming back from Seoul. We were stuck in Heathrow airport, slept on the floor. So we had 0 practice for 6 days prior to the event."
Zero practice for 6 days and proceed to pull an nV
neat
iron cedar
Are you done ranting?
balmy wolf
thats a feelsbad for other EU teams
"But we know each counter to our comp, and we can adapt to these counters."
links Rogue vs LH
links Rogue vs KDP
LH was a mirror comp......
blazing parrot
balmy wolf
and within the context of Takeover, they did displayed a certain amount of flex that was missing in APEX
Soon on McCree, Knoxxx on Reinhardt
eh
that doesnt really say anything
they could most likely run those heroes when they were in Apex
but they knew it wouldn't work
so there was no point trying
but they can easily run it vs EU teams
Because they're so much better than them
eh
that's assuming Rogue didn't change or actually adapt
when during Takeover they showed better engage, disengage, ult management
so they clearly learn from KR Teams, and even Unkoee said it as much during the interview
They looked like that in NA too
Really really great vs NA teams
I remember it vividly
Watching them dominate each Melee
and then moving to korea
they were in tatters
they did it for like a month, and then those two melees afterward was them just outfight other team
try to watch Rogue vs Immortals during the OMM Febuary vs Rogue vs any other team in March
and you'd see there's a difference in term of engage and tactics
so in a sense, they played vs NA teams so much that they got NA themselvse
meh
i dont see it that way
but sure
that's only if you don't actually remember and rewatch the broadcast.
solid spear
rapid oxide
People are too worried about Esports gonna die
It won't
Stop pretending to build a town in 1 week
As much as i like to shit on other Esports and hope OW will blow
It wont happen anytime soon
Not even the first season of OWL will be super mega successful
But step by step we will reach it
Help the scene, be critical but not doomsayers because it's useless and it damage more than helping imo
rapid oxide
You mean no OWL? Like... Valve approach?
We'll see polo, maybe it will be better. Who knows
wintry matrix
tbh after seeing apex, i'd prefer a league format over 2-3 day tournaments
wintry matrix
but i'd like to have both types
balmy wolf
i mean, it is easier said "you gotta be optimistic" when Blizzard doesn't seem to actually gives a shit, even to their own creation
rapid oxide
Nate stated that 3rd part event are equally important and won't be shut down
You are seeing the cons only
balmy wolf
and what are the pros
won't be =/= "we won't bother with it because there's no point"
as per what Dreamhack director said
wintry matrix
you don't just spend millions on something and don't give a fuck
rapid oxide
Because of OWL, not because its esport is dead
toxic yacht
Well, I think that there is a place for leagues and 3-day events
rapid oxide
They will advertise when stuff is ready
toxic yacht
Both have their pros and cons
wintry matrix
also that, we already saw improvements in contenders regarding spectating
balmy wolf
mind you, spectating in Contenders wasn't because of the in game client
it was because Carbon Entertainment was running it
wintry matrix
it's something
toxic yacht
One of my favourite things about events is sitting around my pc for 10 hours a day with you guys, tbh
rapid oxide
Gay
toxic yacht
Gay
wintry matrix
i mean, i like that too, but sometimes is tiring
toxic yacht
Definitely tiring
wintry matrix
like, i remember checking out a lot in some
rapid oxide
❤
sturdy granite
@rapid oxide Casuals aren't going to understand shit unless we explain it to them.
wintry matrix
besides that some don't have 10 hours free
sturdy granite
Nothing was accomplished during contenders tbh
rapid oxide
^ reason of why they didn't advertise
I bet in the future we have an event tied to OWL
sturdy granite
I mean I accomplished nothing
rapid oxide
Also people tend to forget that not all the viewers are 100% ow players
You can attract outside ppl too
I watch other esport and i play none of them
wintry matrix
it still weirds me that someone would watch a esport they didn't play
rapid oxide
I dont understand everything, its funny so idgaf
I love flashy shit on dota
But i understand nothing
vestal mortar
Yeah I hadn't played for a few weeks until yesterday but I'd always watch Apex, takeover and contenders.
balmy wolf
sparkle and effects can go a long way to attracts casuals
but as Minstrel puts it, we have better stock option with the harvests in Stardew Valley rather than OWL as it is right now
I certainly HOPE that it pan out, but i'm not going to tell myself to not mocking Blizzard at every turn for their stupidity because of the hope that one day it will pan out
rapid oxide
Failed to saw any retarded things on HS and HOTS
Blizzard didn't had SC2 only as esport. Just saying
balmy wolf
HOTS isn't exactly a tier 1 esport, to put it lightly, same with HS
wintry matrix
HOTS has dota and lol, and isn't a huge game as them, so it'be hard
rapid oxide
Its like create a new brand of OS and expect to beat Microsoft or Apple
HOTS is not tier 1 not because of Blizzard fault
balmy wolf
HOTS is pretty casual which itself is its undoing because LoL and DOTA2 had dizzying depths
and both of LoL/DOTA2 is heavily geared toward competitive
rapid oxide
Quake is way more competitive than CSGO yet his esport is dead
balmy wolf
Quake has had how many years as an esport again? Stretching it back to the 90s
and even then the last Quake Con Duel Master was having good viewership
rapid oxide
A game to be a successful esport doesn't necessarily to be competitive
It has to be entertaining
balmy wolf
Quake Duel was entertaining
rapid oxide
It's not for most of the people
balmy wolf
yet it had a storied history
rapid oxide
Cat n mouse esport isn't exactly entertaining
balmy wolf
hell, Fatal1ty made him brand name on that
and if you look at some of the accolades of pro players, it went back to like the early 2000s
so obviously, it is entertaining enough for people like Intel to host IEM with an event dedicated to it
or at least, entertained
until the fanbase kind of grow old and wither
until now
rapid oxide
Same goes for SC2
Blizzard mistake apart
It died due to an easier and more entertaining RTS called Moba
As AFPS died to an easier and more entertaining AFPS called Team based shooter
Both easy to pick hard to master
RTS and AFPS are hard to pick and even more hard to master
balmy wolf
SC2 died is mainly due Blizzard's handling of the esport scene
you are severely downplayed Blizzard's mismanagement on why it failed.
sure, there are other esports to watch, but doesn't mean the SC2 couldn't carve a niche by itself
rapid oxide
What i said it wasn't the only reason
amber ember
how late am i with that
wintry matrix
very
balmy wolf
a few hours
wintry matrix
btw, Hafficool is good with dva right?
amber ember
still glad a lot of thoseguys are playing
rapid oxide
Mid tier 
amber ember
yeah he pretty much mained dva for fnatic when she was op
amber ember
i cant really see them not qualifying for groups tbh
balmy wolf
well, EU scene is deeper than it appears
so we'll have to see
Iceblock GG, Team LDLC, Team Expert, Cyclowns will probably qualified
wintry matrix
wsan't Iceblock destroyed? in takeover quals i think
amber ember
its weird to think that 3/6 of the people who won the biggest western lan in overwatch are orgless
balmy wolf
yeah, but that was like a week after they formed
or close to it
not everyone is FNRGFE in term of adaptation
They did very bad in Rumble @wintry matrix
They were all playing on high ping then though
Execpt for maybe Hidan and plouk
But that wasn't even a week after they had formed
So that + most (maybe all) of the team on high ping
of course they wouldn't perform
But they have a strong core
and the other members have potential
so i can see them going far
then again, Hammers managed to qualified for Contenders playing on high ping, early morning and still gave Toronto eSport a fight
so we'll have to see.
Well hammers have been together for probably close to a year at this point
So there's a big difference in 5 days practice and months of practice
Also I would just say that hammers is the better team overall
Hammers needs to play around Nesh and Fischer more
since Snizzlenose is probably going to be full d.va full time with the upcoming nerf
they could be better, tbh
rapid oxide
balmy wolf
it is a very general answer interview
misty tangle
Hey guys I'm trying to network with some people in the e-sports scene please follow my twitter https://twitter.com/OESOFFICIAL and DM me so we can talk some!
Twitter
balmy wolf
I found it highly amusing that Activision Blizzards wants MLG to be ESPN of esport
but ESPN is dying a slow death right now
ripe marlin
good to cause espn is shit
supple nymph
grats
ripe marlin
congrates
balmy wolf
Thank you :3
supple nymph
strong relic
supple nymph
i opened that but could only listen to him for 20 seconds
enough for me
10 year old plays overwatch
limber pine
that's a sad clip
solid spear
Dad
solid spear
Im aware
balmy wolf
and lol, Battleborn is now free
wintry matrix
i'd try, but >44 gb
civic marsh
throwing has been around for ages and has been used in sports for ages
supple nymph
did they decide team sweden yet?
jovial eagle
makes sense i guess
supple nymph
Around the Watch live podcast recording on Discord starting in 5 minutes | Guests: Left Guy and Dogman - Discord link here https://twitter.com/PestoEnthusiast/status/872631523496873989
supple nymph
hex showed up too
forest raven
@gentle nimbus Use #video-content for streams, as long as those streams are Overwatch related
rapid oxide
is the flight included ?
mystic hemlock
How far did solo mid make it?
I haven't been paying attention i just know they lost to team liquid
mystic hemlock
I wouldn't consider it a meme team, yes it was thrown together but they were trying to make it. Far in contenders
clever wagon
But there's still no TSM in OW
balmy wolf
and no, they didnt make it far
they stomp scrubs teams and lost against pro teams. Which is about as far as anyone with a realistic mind would've expected.
clever wagon
If it's Gale Adelade he is just streaming under TSM in the same manner Ster does under Luminosity if I understand it correctly
balmy wolf
they won against one patched up team of former pros but that's about it.
clever wagon
But idk
clever wagon
No I mean regarding TSM being involved with OW itself
mystic hemlock
Ya he was on dps for most of that scrim idk why
I honestly don't understand esports enough to talk here so I will leave
toxic yacht
eh, kelvin had no real chance anyway
no way they'd win against proper teams
they could also never get decent scrims because no serious team would allow scrim streams
mystic hemlock
Ya both Calvin and seagull were streaming the scrims
Ok know I understand why you called them a meme team
fallen cypress
Kongdoo got destroyed by Afreeca
balmy wolf
yeah
sad for them
Uncia was fucking good
and then the roster shuffle came and now this
balmy wolf
2nd thread about Dafran throwing got removed
because it is "witchhunting"
so now people have to make a thread to discuss him anonymously
what the fuck @limber pine
sturdy granite
dafran has been moved over to r/ow it looks like https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/6fznlj/rank_1_usa_player_dafran_throwing_games_on/
balmy wolf
as per usual
any attempt of trying to stifle discussion by removing threads
usually just make people spread the wildfire even further
sturdy granite
Casuals never cared either way in the first place
toxic yacht
well, this thread was allowed
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6fzve9/throwing_ladder_matches/?st=j3o9jer0&sh=84c59342
but according to Eurozone mods are monitoring it closely
balmy wolf
this feels like the mods are covering for dafran tbh
and r/OW already got a thread on it
toxic yacht
I mean, we're discussing it with Eurozone on the flamecord atm
basically, they don't think that such a large sub is capable of handling a rational discussion about it
and that it'll inevitably divolve into witchhunting and harassment
balmy wolf
really? That's the thing they afraid?
When everyone and their moms know who the thread is about?
sturdy granite
Oh man, this time the Dafran thing is REALLY blowing up on both r?ow and r/cow. doubt anything will happen, but if it isn't at least heard, then wer'e speaking to the deaf.
velvet scarab
i mean he just asked his stream to snipe other streamers and throw4dafran
sturdy granite
Ah, finally a proper villain
gentle shuttle
i didn't know linkzr had a twin that entered nlbc last night http://imgur.com/a/WoKW1
sturdy granite
and the overwatch one is gone🤔
balmy wolf
@pine star old news
pine star
He just tweeted that
balmy wolf
Skipjack is off of LK ever since LK poached Cyclowns' main tank
pine star
Really?
balmy wolf
yeah
pine star
Well
The news may be old, but the tweet itself is fresh new so technically I'm not a slowpoke
haHAA
balmy wolf
i mean Harsha had also implied as much ever since the news broke out that Mow is heading to Korea
of course now the funny part is to guess why Skipjack got trial, bought out, and off the roster in a span of a month
did he pull an fnx? 
solid spear
Skip 
sturdy granite
RIP This thread has turned into the same rule breaking threads that we've been removing all day. Unless Dafran literally gets his main banned or he gets expelled from Selfless/a tournament we're going to remove any future Dafran thread about this. How a pro acts in matchmaking doesn't belong here. This thread is now removed and locked
dudes literally immortal to criticism on reddit now
balmy wolf
welcome to the modern age
where you can shoo any criticism or outrage just by the shield of "but muh harrassment"
then again the mods and everything is in protalk and shit
so they probably in cahoot with one another
gentle shuttle
OW pro scene is so wack
it's gotten so stupid as time has gone on
whens the next contenders event
sturdy granite
Saturday for EU qualifiers
I'm hoping for a bazooka puppies laser kittens matchup
rapid oxide
Bromas dropped, Winghaven joined Slasher team
Bootcamp in Berlin 🇩🇪 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBy2R8nXsAAQFN5.jpg:large
balmy wolf
i want those chair though
too bad it is like 300 a piece
i could just upgrade my i5 to an i7 with that kind of money
gentle shuttle
lmao Reign thats what i was thinking
these dudes are about their business. I respect it
balmy wolf
@gentle shuttle it is not even funny how expensive these office chairs are
and here i am using a chair that is nearly 2 years old and had sunk from my dead ass weight
gentle shuttle
@balmy wolf you recognize them damn are they that top tier?
they do look pretty expensive
balmy wolf
there are a lot of brand but the design and pricing are relatively the same
ie very expensive and very good to sit
even the cheapest one near me is like 180 dollars
like fuck that
gentle shuttle
i got my shitty ass one with a desk and that combo was about 100 i think?
it's doing the job i spose
gentle shuttle
ikea bestkea
balmy wolf
Vace mentioned it earlier but https://www.overwatchcontenders.com/teams/details/593218e678a9f315c4f29972
Bromas no longer on FF
Winghaven in
isn't Bromas a DPS main though?
Yep
why a tank main join then
balmy wolf
btw, regarding that 3 ways players trade
what a fail fish that had became
Misfits looked shit, LG Loyal disbanded, and only Rogue looked good
Hidan and Skipjack getting buttfucked
balmy wolf
poor skipjack man
gentle shuttle
it's like, just focus on being a god
gentle shuttle
and realise that everything is extremely temporary
balmy wolf
your owner makes a sister team
ok
your owner gets another main tank
that isnt on the sister team
tells you to look for more offers
gentle shuttle
it's fcked up
balmy wolf
it just sucks
that he was on that team for a month or more
then alicus gets a new main tank
and also makes another team
gentle shuttle
being a player must be quite stressful currently
balmy wolf
and skip isnt on it
fucking rip dude
LK didn't want to make a sister team lol
I assume something must happened to cause Alicus to kick Skipjack out
and poached Mow
my headcanon is that Skipjack pulled an fnx
clever wagon
What is the deal with airline food an fnx?
balmy wolf
fnx is a Brazillian CSGO player
who got kicked out of his team
because he fucked one of the teammate's gf
clever wagon
Pffft
balmy wolf
toxic yacht
lul
balmy wolf
they could just run triple supports lolz
rapid oxide
btw i heard lots of pros pointed out how sick was Mowzassa
prob the best tank in EU for some
and honestly Skip wasn't that impressive recently
balmy wolf
why "poks on dps lol"
rapid oxide
so i think that's the reason of the drop
balmy wolf
he was on dps before he moved to flex support because boombox left
rapid oxide
Rubikon was the problem 
hazy zodiac
hey can anyone recommend me some esports channels?
balmy wolf
of course i know that @balmy wolf
hazy zodiac
tryna get into watching pro games
balmy wolf
well, youtube for the most part
rapid oxide
@flat peak you want VODS? Highlights?
rapid oxide
Most notable tournamets: APEX (Every seasons), Atlantic Showdown, Overwatch Open, World Cup, Contenders
rapid oxide
MLG Vegas is cute too
toxic yacht
poks used to be dps
he only went support because boombox snitched them
oh wait, poolo said that
rapid oxide
i see you have a nice pic sojum http://i.imgur.com/yN2v44p.png 😎
balmy wolf
sigh, I should just stay with Taimou's discord to get 
to go along with my shit
balmy wolf
these threads are going to write themselves, and frankly, that mods brought it to themselves
so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
rapid oxide
Twitter
balmy wolf
"After our 1 month trial period where we tested a lot of players we agreed internally that our Korean bootcamp would be the ultimate test to wrap up our line up. Skipjack has been performing great, exactly what you can expect from one of the most accomplished tank players in the game, but we had some stylistic challenges that were going to take a while to overcome. When Contenders was announced during the late stages of the bootcamp, we realized we had less time than originally anticipated and thus it made more sense for us to try an alternative. Mowzassa is a great talent and already has good synergy with some of our players which has been helpful in our effort to maximize growth efficiency.
We would like to make an 8 man roster work but respect skipjack's competitive nature and his desire to have a starting spot on a top team. For that reason, I have allowed him to entertain other offers."
"stylistic challenges"
"8 man roster"
some of these doesn't seems to make sense on face value
toxic yacht
skip played a pretty good harambe though
rapid oxide
PR
toxic yacht
it's also a completely logical explanation
rapid oxide
don't get baited by PR stuff
balmy wolf
I mean Skipjack was the part of the original triple DPS line up, so he can dive. That's probably out of the question.
toxic yacht
there is no logical reason why i shouldn't take what I read at face value
balmy wolf
because history have shown that the OW pro scene is anything but honest?
toxic yacht
literally nothing fishy happened, apart from skip getting tried and dropped
everything known to the public would perfectly coincide with LK's statement
so I see no logical reason to try to say that something else happened
rapid oxide
never said something fishy happened
clever wagon
That was borderline tinfoil hat
rapid oxide
tldr is "he wasnt good enough"
that's it
or moz is better
LZ isnt TSM
no fishy shit but the "He should be in a team and not sub" it's basics PR stuff
rapid oxide
with that short notice, idk
balmy wolf
"I honestly do not give a shit what happends to me and my fucking career, you can all go fuck yourselves"
tfw you are EU, come to NA and out NA all of the NA players
iron cedar
He must be nice🙄
red anvil
He deserves a true kick behind
toxic yacht
tbh I prefer this over some "oh, I regret my actions so much, boo hoo" bullshit
red anvil
like how the bloody f. can you waste away your talent like that
red pendant
red anvil
Zoevia replied on Dafran thread on forums btw
`
I'm going through and edited out the naming/shaming in this thread. Please refrain from calling players out, even notable ones.
I also want to make it clear that intentionally throwing in Competitive Play for whatever reason compromises the integrity of the mode all together. This doesn't mean those people who auto-pick a character that you don't feel is viable, it means players who intentionally do not try/afk or deliberately try to derank.
This goes against the nature of Competitive Play and impacts those you play with and against negativity. We have and will continue to take action for this type of behavior.
`
so bullshit
balmy wolf
lolfuck somebody posted to battle.net?
red anvil
Yeah Zoevia
iron cedar
I hope they do take action against this
red anvil
aka Blizzard community something
balmy wolf
Community Manager
well, he is actually on the right hand side of this discord if anyone is actually pay attention
balmy wolf
they do though
iron cedar
^
balmy wolf
I mean, r/compow mods kind of only have themselves to blame
balmy wolf
they extinguished the two threads about him
ok
and now people are incensed enough to take it to elsewhere
balmy wolf
Dafran won't get ban, that much is certain
iron cedar
@balmy wolf We don't lnow that
balmy wolf
and his twitlonger seems to indicates that someone from the higher up, probably from Blizzard themselves
told him to stop his shit
toxic yacht
or the selfless dudes
red anvil
They should just make a proper example out of his alt
balmy wolf
@iron cedar we don't know, doesn't mean we can't make an educated guess
red anvil
If he wane try the same on his main then so be it
balmy wolf
here's the thing though: without the mods in r/compow doing such a horrible job moderating the two threads, things wouldn't snowball to the point where people had to post it to battle.net to get some attention
iron cedar
@toxic yacht They do
balmy wolf
they do ban people but rarely
amber ember
i wouldnt be surprised if kresnik and emongg or someone just sat him down and told him to stop being an arse
toxic yacht
so rarely that it doesn't matter
I've heard of literally one case taht ended up in a ban iirc
balmy wolf
eh, emongg just streamed on his room and basically said "I can't control him"
basically doing what Americans do best
iron cedar
@toxic yacht Then don't say they don't ban people>
toxic yacht
proof taht they ban people?
regularily?
you're all just saying "they do"
although literally everything indicates
red anvil
Only ever seen aimbotters and cheaters get banned
toxic yacht
that they don't
red anvil
never anything else
toxic yacht
yup
red anvil
Never,ever
iron cedar
@red anvil Sureyou do
balmy wolf
Probably because there's never any massive lists of throwers who have gotten banned lol
iron cedar
^
balmy wolf
I mean at this point we are just literally going "he said this" and someone goes "no you didn't" based on just anecdotal evidence
toxic yacht
you have zero proof taht they take action, and longtime throwers are still encountered
balmy wolf
this argument is useless
iron cedar
^
balmy wolf
sure it does lol
toxic yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
iron cedar
Right....
red anvil
Well we do know there are famous throwers that havent been banned, sure we dont know that there havent been bans for throwers, but we sure do know that people should have been banned for it havent
toxic yacht
yup
which is why more shit points into my direction...
but sure, just say that they take enough action
lol
balmy wolf
I wonder why Dafran wouldn't just borrow some of his subs acc
if he wants to troll plat noobs so badly
which then of course would be hilarious if he pulled a YIKES again
toxic yacht
because he wanted to stream the HILARIOUS THROWING PROCESS
red anvil
the sad thing is, i wouldent be suprised if he did
red anvil
Lost completely faith in selfless, they should have kicked his butt off the team
any other team with respect for themself would have
and apperently dafran also called selfless the isis of overwatch? not seen the source on that though
toxic yacht
no, most teams would just tell him to stop doing this
no team
would kick their star player
because of something like this
red anvil
if someone threw in a final match
toxic yacht
well, the match was pretty much lost
what he did was fuckign retarded
and there was a chance for a comeback
but we really have no idea what was goign on in the selfless comms at the time
it was also only one match, his benefits massively outweigh his stupidity
balmy wolf
i found it amusing that someone who used to flip burger
would this flippantly at throwing his career away
talk about lack of perspective
I mean look at this
basically a taunt for "pay me 4.99 to watch me throw"
his vods are on his twitch though
sub only
so you know
im not subbed
and i can see them
can you watch em?
ah
my bad
I cant believe thats an option
either way
Dafran is causing drama
as per usual
time for me to sleep and see what kind of statement the mod team of r/compow will be release
this is such a fail fish
blazing parrot
so whats been going on?
toxic yacht
Dafran being a fucking retard again
throwing games on stream and stuff
drama surrounding it
nothing of value, really
blazing parrot
Unsuprising
graceful adder
Dafran throwing threads, so hot right now
dusty surge
Is this still just the one round on Oasis where he ulted in spawn?
dusty surge
... why tho?
blazing parrot
cause he finds it funny
dusty surge
He's transcending the meme
balmy wolf
afaik he started because he was sick of being the carry
blazing parrot
dafran is mentally a 10 year old
balmy wolf
someone said to him "why arent you carrying"
and he got mad
started playing dps lucio only
here's a clip from a game he was in
it just started as dps lucio only
and then escalated to dps lucio/torb/sym
while playing nekopara
dusty surge
So that x69 guy at #1 NA is dafran?
blazing parrot
ye
toxic yacht
yup
but well, he stopped throwing now
because it makes selfless and shit look bad
I don't care why he stopped, as long as he's done with this garbage I'm happy
you know, knowing how retarded he can be makes it kinda hard to support selfless, but I'll still do try
blazing parrot
i think he should leave selfless
clearly he doesnt enjoy being their carry
and its mentally impacting him
blazing parrot
tbh i think it would be better for him
selfless needs to tell him to grow up or leave
toxic yacht
I don't think that this warrants leaving, but he's repeatedly shown us that he's a retard
dusty surge
How old is he? 16 or so?
toxic yacht
21...
blazing parrot
i mean threaten him for leaving
graceful adder
23...
dusty surge
lol wut
toxic yacht
23?
blazing parrot
hes 23 iirc
toxic yacht
wtf
graceful adder
Yeah
toxic yacht
even worse
graceful adder
lol
toxic yacht
holy shit
blazing parrot
yea
graceful adder
It makes you wonder how he'd act in a LAN tournament
blazing parrot
but hes mentally 12
toxic yacht
Dafran at a LAN 
rapid oxide
no one cares
toxic yacht
too bad that he won't be in the world cup
:/
would have loved to see him hardcarry denmark, lul
rapid oxide
"i dont care about my career" feel free to go back to McDonals if that career is better than this one
toxic yacht
lmao
blazing parrot
i know he was flipping burgers
rapid oxide
if he didnt truly care, he will keep going lol despite god say to stop
blazing parrot
but did he work at mcdonalds?
rapid oxide
he cares but he's too pussy to lose his job lmao
graceful adder
It would look bad for his teammates and his org, he's now a saint
toxic yacht
but all I care about is that he stopped
rapid oxide
he's not even a full troll lmao
toxic yacht
lmao
rapid oxide
like... he's trying to
blazing parrot
if anything hes gotten more attention from this
rapid oxide
but he's too pussy to push it futher
blazing parrot
probably more people are interested into his stream
toxic yacht
his stream probably got a ton of extra views
blazing parrot
yea
blazing parrot
:>>>
balmy wolf
blazing parrot
its all for the drama
whats the phrase?
something about any press is good press?
idk
toxic yacht
He did it for the pogchamps
remember when people were shitting on sinatraa because of how satanic he was?
lul
little did they know that dafran would want to outdo him
toxic yacht
yep
blazing parrot
toxic yacht
toxic yacht
especially since polo gave us the new and refreshed version
he truly is a god among men
meme Reddit Polo
😍
balmy wolf
what did i do
toxic yacht
the new pogchimp
blazing parrot
balmy wolf
oh i thought you meant monkas
rapid oxide
Pogc.hamp is better than pogchimp 
blazing parrot
rapid oxide
this one is way more shittier
blazing parrot
rapid oxide
blazing parrot
pine star
WC group stages 
#slowpoke
solid spear
._.
supple nymph
why are there 50 dafran threads today
dusty surge
ye olde pile on
civic marsh
i see the cow subreddit mods don't know what witchhunting is
blazing parrot
lol its always complaining about the mods as well
its either r/ow mods are stoopid and under mods
or the r/cow mods overmod
supple nymph
the way i see it there's taimou who's a troll but he does it tastefully and it's funny- but then there's dafran who's like a manchild and it's cringey
plus he does stuff that should get him kicked/banned
so if he gets shit on on cow he deserves it
blazing parrot
it all goes down to how blizzard seems to be apathetic to the whole report system
they say a bunch of shit
but theres still little results
aimer7 for example
supple nymph
i think dafran seriously has some mental issues
balmy wolf
blazing parrot
mfw people still think that twitter is fake
civic marsh
he sounds like a complete bell end
blazing parrot
meh im all for pros growing the fuck up
if all this causes dafran to grow the fuck up
all the better
supple nymph
blazing parrot
polo just posted this lol
graceful adder
Have there been actual cases of people getting banned (temporarily or not) from throwing/griefing/etc.? All I've read is people getting muted or chat-banned
blazing parrot
you can tell if its the thread or not if there are numbers and letters at the end
throwing/griefing no iirc
hacks yes
civic marsh
"We have and will continue to take action for this type of behavior."
solid spear
Apex tomorrow 
blazing parrot
i love the comments on the thread about dafran's tweet going "I KNOW MENTAL ILLNESS U DONT " DEEERHEERR
civic marsh
have and will continue 
solid spear
Inb4 NV loses to x6
balmy wolf
Apex tomorrow 
solid spear
Polo pls
civic marsh
when the reddit couch psychologists come out
blazing parrot
i know right lol
its so funny
people going "im mentally ill i know this shit you obviously dont"
solid spear
Real talk tomorrows matches aren't really the most interesting
supple nymph
x6 guy looks so pissed
solid spear
I missed the last few cuz they were meh but I'll probably catch tomorrows
At least NV I think
supple nymph
solid spear
Conbox wasn't picking though
solid spear
But I assume hes saying what other like actual possible team would he want to get picked by
balmy wolf
they've 3-0'd everyone so far but i havent watched any of them so i cant say how good or bad they are
solid spear
Don't I think thats why hes "mad" anyway
supple nymph
'your team is ez lul'
im not sure a korean would ever put it that bluntly
i know dafran was never listed here https://selfless.gg/overwatch/
but that in itself is kinda telling...
solid spear
Dhak kicked confirmed
pine star
I know he's been there because I've seen it myself and that's how I learned his name is Daniel Francesca
pine star
Yeah I mean duh
graceful adder
we did it reddit
supple nymph
LOL
formal cloak
im dyin
amber ember
civic marsh
amazing
rapid oxide
mfw surname of dafran is Francesca
http://eu.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20838074 ik it's HOTS but it's listed on OW news too
Atlantic Showdown was in cologne, and approx the same date 
Atlantic Showdown hype train? 
rapid oxide
yes
limber pine
@supple nymph am I on the level of comey now?
supple nymph
we appreciate you coming to testify voluntarily on the dafran investigation
limber pine
ayyy
toxic yacht
Remember that morte soundbarrier throw I always complain about? Looks like it was a mistake 
https://twitter.com/MorteOW/status/871482004755415042
Twitter
toxic yacht
hek u, I go to twitter once in 5 years :>
limber pine
slowjumpoke
supple nymph
limber pine
indeed
tired escarp
blazing parrot
@limber pine i think youll need to clearly define wichhunting juding by these comments already
red anvil
I agree witchhunts are never good, but discussing toxicity which certain players bring into the game is not neccerily a bad thing
supple nymph
i dont understand how it's witch-hunting, it's all backed by proof
clever wagon
One trick ponies that suck balls need to be considered as deplorable as Dafran throwing
rapid oxide
@limber pine i've upvoted 
clever wagon
How about that Blizzard forum
rapid oxide
i agree with no whichhunts
red anvil
Blizz forum goes by the same rules
red anvil
if thats what you ment
rapid oxide
to blizzard, to his org
is the best things you can do... reddit is just a karmawhoring
and post it on reddit doesnt help fix the issue
red anvil
Well, thing is, if they arent doing anything, then the best the community can do is raise a mutral voice against it
civic marsh
so the mods are sidestepping calling out dafran not being witchhunting by changing the definition of accusation
wew lad
blazing parrot
Redditors need to feel like they can put their comments and input on everything
red anvil
Mutral voice is the only way for people to make blizz take action, not being able to discuss it anywhere dosent help anything, nor is it a witch hunt
blazing parrot
I'm going through and edited out the naming/shaming in this thread. Please refrain from calling players out, even notable ones.
im going to go by blizzard's official stance and not redditors' 😄
red anvil
yeah i made a post 2 posts on top of hers/his
it took out dafrans name from several places :C
red anvil
I've never seen that person, idk their sex 😉
blazing parrot
you can also look them up if youre curious
Seeing that zoevia is blizz' s community manager
also i was just filling you in on the gender
not trying to insult you or anything
toxic yacht
he's an attack helicopter
blazing parrot
swoosh swoosh swoosh
limber pine
Her
toxic yacht
heli
blazing parrot
@limber pine https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6g245i/meta_statement_on_witch_hunts_and_accusations/dimusxc/
🤔
blazing parrot
I dont understand how people dont get how all we can do is "trust blizzard"
literally
its their fucking game
they dictate it
blazing parrot
i agree
civic marsh
it's not witch hunting. there is literal proof and he openly said what he was doing
blazing parrot
but in the end
theres literally nothing to be done until blizzard takes a more transparent active approach against this type of behaviour
toxic yacht
yee
civic marsh
drawing attention to it can't hurt
instead of covering it up or just pretending like it's not happening
toxic yacht
I think the problem is the space where attention is being drawn to it
blazing parrot
no but it usually just devolves into comments circle jerking about the issue
toxic yacht
you have a community
of 107k people
there's no way that it won't devolve into diarrhea
regardless of the posts' intention, it's better off deleted
pretty much everyone knows of this issue by now
so we don't need to bring more attention to it
and it's already spread to the point where people are gonna hear of it from non-esports people
civic marsh
at this point yeah but
toxic yacht
at this stage the threads are more or less circlejerks of people shitting on dafran which could potentially devolve into garbage
supple nymph
blazing parrot
a lot of my friends know dafran being that guy streaming hentai on twitch rather than esports lol
civic marsh
haven't the mods been deleting threads about it for the last few days?