digital pond
Was gonna say with the track record.
#esports-discussion
forest raven
Route 66 
jagged crater
is gibraltar/route 66 the new king's row / hollywood?
balmy wolf
see Blizzard, this is what you get for trying to ape APEX
jagged crater
i havent seen king's row and hollywood in a long time
forest raven
Hybrid is not in the bo3 pool
balmy wolf
not really
forest raven
Yep
forest raven
Groups are 4 game sets: hybrid/control/assault/escort
jagged crater
well i havent seen dorado much either
balmy wolf
Dorado and King's Row is banned out
jagged crater
dorado is not hybrid tho
balmy wolf
Man these maps are going to get old
This is what we get for Blizzard banning out maps that are actually balanced
forest raven
jagged crater
they'd rahter put 2cp
balmy wolf
I mean they just had a new 2CP map
because Jeff thinks that 2CP is fun to play
does he have a fetish over stalling or something?
balmy wolf
r/OW complains about 2CP too
jagged crater
mostly aesthetically tho
balmy wolf
he did said he like how the map plays too
and did stated that if he have to change the map, he would already
and then you have something silly like Lunatic Hai stalling for 3 minutes
jagged crater
they did release the new 2cp, no idea if that one fixes any of the 2cp issues
jagged crater
slowly going down
it's getting late eastern time
kids need to sleep!
blizz just use apex map selection format
balmy wolf
APEX map selection isn't the best, either
forest raven
T O R O N T O E S P O R T S
balmy wolf
the West teams will just sort of subsconciously agree on a few maps
like during the OCS
where all the team play in it play Temple
with barely any Hanamura or Volskyaya
even though it is a choice
jagged crater
wish onigod was streamin right now 😮
balmy wolf
24
limber pine
i think it was right after his team finished
and probably told everybody to go watch the OWC stream
jagged crater
i noticed the diverse meta is slowly converging to the same comps
supple nymph
jagged crater
still more diverse than triple tank
balmy wolf
Not really. The western tournament format favors a more centralized approach with playing around a few specific set of strategies.
jagged crater
you still see some slight alternations between maps
sturdy granite
good replay
balmy wolf
the Eastern league thing promotes more diverse approach
it is at core to why NA looks one tricky compare to KR
or to a lesser extent EU
jagged crater
so lucio was like 100% this tournament
you see swaps between zen and ana
tracer like 90%
genji/pharah/soldier
mostly winston vs few rein
and mostly dva vs few zarya
other than that, super rare widows and meis
that's like 11 core heroes
sturdy granite
Pharmercy
jagged crater
zen/ana/mercy yea
jagged crater
triple tank was even less, it was like 9 core heroes
sombra for 2cp and some of the koth points
this is still the most diverse meta in a while, even tho it feels stale af
sturdy granite
I wish they played Hanzo, love me some Handsoap
Kings row
meant to say kings row
limber pine
that's because it's still the same 4-5 heroes in most matches
with the exception of pharmercy on some CP maps
jagged crater
koth maps too
limber pine
it's still Zen/Lucio/Genji/Tracer/Winston most of the time
insert Dva if you want a tank
sturdy granite
Mei's also been gone since Beyblade
limber pine
Soldier if you want DPS
forest raven
IMT LETS GO
sturdy granite
er, triple tank
balmy wolf
this is reminding me of season 1 lol
dusty surge
Are they STILL playing?
dusty surge
Jeepers
dusty surge
Yeah... it'll be nice if they can get balance just right so there's no incentive to have mirror matches everywhere.
sturdy granite
Lucio, Rein, Genji/tracer, Zarya, Zen, and Mccree, every game
balmy wolf
this meta we have right now is very much reminiscent of season 1, where Zen/Mercy/Pharah/Flankers is getting play a lot
Ana is getting the business in term of pick rate though
sturdy granite
after zen buff was the worst
jagged crater
50% discord was insane, too strong not to use
clever wagon
Dummy doesn't even stream afaik -some comment on Reddit
Dummy makes highlight videos smh
sturdy granite
LUL
jagged crater
what can blizz do to make an "unstale" meta when a few changes just changes can change the meta entirely
balmy wolf
Dummy had been quiet ever since the NRG hype train crashed and burn
@jagged crater the meta was really good a month ago
clever wagon
If he had been streaming we would've known about how bad his Ana actually is 
jagged crater
that was early into major balance changes when people were experimenting
balmy wolf
right now though it is kind of because of the map being in play, it is always the maps that favored dive
Gilbraltar, KOTHs, Temple of Anubis
all of which favored dive
jagged crater
a month or 2 after major balance changes, the meta always goes stale
clever wagon
What kind of meta do you want
clever wagon
With this amount of heroes both dive and deathball with their variations being viable the game is at the most diverse it has ever been
jagged crater
i know
balmy wolf
there won't be a meta where everyone is picked equally. Because at that point, everyone will get 5 percent pick rate.
but people won't get that
clever wagon
People dont know what they want and you take them seriously
jagged crater
i pointed out the current meta is the most diverse in a whle
balmy wolf
the meta will revolves around a certain set of solid strats
jagged crater
but there's just nothing blizz could do to please people that complain about balance?
balmy wolf
they could balance things quicker
shorter cycle
but right now
they needs data to balance
jagged crater
when it's just impossible to get a truly balanced pickrate among even 80% of the heroes lets say
clever wagon
Those people monkeys dont know shit about balance
balmy wolf
and guess where all the data came from
sturdy granite
This next update might be a game changer to the meta
balmy wolf
and hell, Jeff said that they are considering 3v3 comp
jagged crater
the problem with balancing too quick is the meta doesnt develop
you need to give metas time
balmy wolf
good luck balancing for 6v6 and 3v3 at the same time
jagged crater
i mean that's not happening
clever wagon
They think it's not balanced when they're too much of a fucking shit for brains to deal with roadhog
jagged crater
when they balancing 6v6 is a nightmare
balmy wolf
@clever wagon IKR
it is fucking infuriating
and it is always the mid diamond and below plebs
clever wagon
I'm plat but I don't think roadhog is OP
jovial eagle
shoot hook shoot is still vaible though
jagged crater
95% of the community is below master so
clever wagon
And?
jagged crater
majority is going to be tough to please
balmy wolf
remember, less than 10% is actually diamond and above at any given time
clever wagon
Below plat ftfy
If I'm Tracer and I got hooked or oneshot by Hog then that's on me, I know that much
jagged crater
blizz wants to please both comp and casual at the same time but it's too hard to do
jovial eagle
is it that bad?
balmy wolf
again, if they want OW to be an esport, they need to balance it from top down
that's about it
balmy wolf
but then again pharmercy have been terrorizing Diamond and below and i don't think it will never get nerf
clever wagon
They want part of the esports cake but they let casuals who only play QP dictate the balancing direction
balmy wolf
we want OW to be an eSport - Blizzard
never tweet when qualifier of their official tournament
is happening
jagged crater
prob just a test run with qualifiers right now
supple nymph
test run beta something something
jagged crater
main event i really hope they advertise it on bnet or tweet
limber pine
I"m sure they will
jovial eagle
i dunno, regardless of everything, but i just think it's pointless criticizing
jovial eagle
overwatch is still incredibly new
jagged crater
still one shots tracer, that's the important bit
jovial eagle
comparatively speaking
with new characters and whatnot in the future
game will be ever changing until it slows down
balmy wolf
Rocket League is two years old and just had their 80K World Cup Championship LAN
jagged crater
the only other esport i followed from the beginning was CSGO
jovial eagle
two very different game though
jagged crater
and irc, it took CSGO 2 years before reaching 100k viewers on their big tournaments?
balmy wolf
yeah well, Blizzard had been shit with their esport scene, so right now it is beating a dead horse
jovial eagle
that's on them
i like to think they're trying to refine the game for something more concrete down the line
jagged crater
owl owl owl owl
balmy wolf
after about 10 millions more skins, tags, etc etc
limber pine
k
jagged crater
are you guys pessimistic for OWL?
jovial eagle
i just think it's bizarre that people criticize so much and still follow the game and play it
i don't actually know the details of owl
balmy wolf
people criticize because they loves the game and the scene, matey
jagged crater
the more you play the game, the more flaws you find in the game
jovial eagle
i understand that
balmy wolf
if they don't they just fuck off
jagged crater
and that leads to more criticisms
jovial eagle
there's a limited influence you can have on the game
balmy wolf
how did IMT get their point capped right there , fffs
jovial eagle
so i just find it pointless to be so critical of changes
is hog nerf actually that bad?
im more bugged about inconsistent hook placements
balmy wolf
well, people meme'd about how Roadhog is a fat DPS. And now with the change, he is actually going to be a fat DPS
jagged crater
it was a nerf that was not needed, hog was in a good state
he wasnt even overpowered or anything
dusty surge
I dunno. I personally prefer fewer "I win" buttons in the game.
forest raven
IMT getting fucking dunked on rn
jagged crater
it's the frustrations with the one shot hook that got most of the playerbase frustrated, so blizz wanted to change it based on reducing frustrations and not really from perspective of balance
dusty surge
Now if they just fix scatter arrow, I'll be pretty happy.
balmy wolf
again though, if you got hook, it is your fault
jagged crater
at the high level for sure
jovial eagle
you have teammates
jovial eagle
of course
dusty surge
lol I've never seen a Tracer eat her own pulse bomb like that.
balmy wolf
the game's more casual fanbase always have a more contentious opinions with characters that have insta 1HK ability
jagged crater
prob get rid of widow and hanzo then
balmy wolf
as someone who played a lot of FPS it never really bothered me
then again i'm not a plat pleb so yeah
dusty surge
That's a rather pretentious point of view, though.
jovial eagle
i don't really care about that view
sturdy granite
Might as well just remove the Q key then
balmy wolf
yeah well, I've pour about nearly a year into scrimming, studying the game, etc etc. Excuse me for being pretentious for a moment or two.
jovial eagle
deal with it
sturdy granite
30 million not popular?
jagged crater
in the main event, is groups bo5, playoffs bo7?
sturdy granite
true
jagged crater
it's not just 30 million, but how many of those 30 million can they retain
they need to keep the players playing
sturdy granite
yep
balmy wolf
DOTA2, LOL, CSGO are all more popular than OW and they all have a great esport scene.
and they don't need the events, skins
OW might have 30 millions purchases
but its retention live or die on the competitive scene
jagged crater
i think OW is more popular than CSGO overall but OW's esports scene is pathetic by comparison
OW has a console community, CSGO doesnt
dusty surge
They've also had significantly more time to get established.
jagged crater
LoL and dota are a diff story, mobas just too damn big
balmy wolf
they don't stumble through the steps like OW though
and how Blizzard been handle their game
unless of course Team 4 have a fetish about skins/events then by all means
jovial eagle
blizzard isn't about to make the best of the best game for team based shooter category
they want the most popular one
market share speaks volumes
balmy wolf
how many people actually play OW cocurrently though?
jagged crater
dont wanna release those numerinos!
jovial eagle
it's pretty apparent considering the way ow world cup was handled last year
it was an advertising event
balmy wolf
exhibition event
a way for them to sell OW as an esport
to rich old men who owned pro sport team
jovial eagle
for blizzard it's all about money/exposure/selling out
meanwhile jeff is like, "look i made dis cool thing"
heh
dusty surge
Well, rip Toronto
jagged crater
put yourself in jeff's shoes. You made this awesome game, millions of people love your game. Shit you done?
you tired af
forest raven
Kariv 
balmy wolf
Korean/EU flex support > NA flex support
jagged crater
oh lets break it DOWN
they should make it so one team uses the enemy's voice lines
jagged crater
agilities 😮
fun genji to watch
rip seagull
still, 6 former nrg members making further than NRG themselves
nrg was ro32 i think
jovial eagle
i don't understand
why didn't seagull join back
and played on another team instead?
jagged crater
seagull stepped down
balmy wolf
contract
jagged crater
he's still contracted by NRG as a streamer tho
but he's freee to join another team for fun
jovial eagle
i mean he did mention he'd be active when owl launches
sturdy granite
made it to 18k, not bad
balmy wolf
so
after all of this is said and done
Evil Geniuses, NRG, Kalvin, ex Rise Nation and who else didnt qualify?
balmy wolf
not Chicken Connoisseurs?
Nah
They're name is Chicken Contenders
A bunch of teams seems to died on the way here
who here is looking forward for the EU qualifiers?
Misfits, NIP, Movistar, eUnited getting priority seeds
Laser Kittenz, LDLC, Iceblock GG should be able to qualify
and the rest is for the massive amount of unsigned or small orgs
sturdy granite
Hoping for some dank names to make it in. It'd be great if NA had You Guys Get Paid? and EU had You Guys Get Laid?
rapid oxide
When who didn't qualify can try again?
forest raven
Have to wait for Open Division for those that didn't make it
rapid oxide
A shame for EG, NRG and Rise 
rapid oxide
Also... How come Toronto was in finals? Since when they are good?
balmy wolf
oniGOD
civic cloak
he's shot caller, right?
forest raven
Juri and Onigod are kinda good at this game
rapid oxide
balmy wolf
"It has since been confirmed by sources close to the team that the three new additions — SPREE, Joemeister and Lui — are all signed with or in the process of signing with the organisation. Furthermore, the long-planned move to a North American team house is finally set to become a reality within the next month or so."
time to get hype for NA Shadowburn
pine star
Pingless Shadowburn
balmy wolf
Hammers and Faze finally get a team house
can't wait for the EU to dominate NA scene
again.
I remember when NRG during the second iteration brought in Numlocked for shotcalling, and then later Dummy said that it wasn't working
and then they put Ajax who is clearly not a shotcaller
🤔
and now Vonethil/Grego
Vonethil was said to be a good shotcaller but benched because of poor mechanical play
while Grego is good mechanically but no idea about his shotcalling ability
seriously, who the fuck in charge of building team over there in NRG
Probably Mr TSM
Explains why nothings working
Just like TSM
Mr. TSM came in later
after Ajax left
and NRG presumably sacked the preceding GM
that was responsible for that mess
Its not like its working out any better with Derrick
i mean NRG needs a roster blow up, and Derrick is the worst guy to do that
also, nV
nV is getting the same treatment that they had last season it seems
lul
rapid oxide
"Hammers and Faze finally get a team house, can't wait for the EU to dominate NA" They are NA 
rapid oxide
:ok_hand:
NRG have to disband
Nothing esle to do
Rebuild for the 7362637372 times is pointless
Drop it and take one established
You can't build a team around something it's not working
pine star
Tfw EFFECT became a music major because of Miku Hatsune 
balmy wolf
NRG can be totally rebuild
especially now with the amount of FAs around
but they've spent far too much money in
the roster to justify a blow up, I think
"let's blow up this roster we've sunk 6 figures into for the last 6 months, buy outs and roster cost alike"
wary falcon
How are your teams doing?
balmy wolf
one of them faced ex Rise and get swiftly destroyed
the other one get destroyed earlier lolz
but both did make good progress
one of them will have to do a bit of roster overhaul though
wary falcon
will you play in EU?
balmy wolf
nah
toxic yacht
they played vs rise
balmy wolf
Why would they do that 
balmy wolf
I wanted to enter
but fucken exxu
beside the rules doesn't allow teams to just do both
with his fucken exams
wary falcon
this weekend
balmy wolf
yeah i just said that
last night was ok though
Hammers, Liquid qualified
Rogue took their pound of flesh three time vs eUnited
and i'm a happy fan.
some meme from last night
super got the fucken pasta wrong
smh
thorny locust
He also posted it before imt 2-0'd toronto lul
toxic yacht
Team Russia tryouts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDO7bYHWDe8&t=0s
toxic yacht
probably just one of many tryouts
hopefully
unfixed not being there seems a bit like a throw
balmy wolf
Yeah definitely
Fosak3n is like Danish though
so definitely not final roster
He's Latvian
Latvia, Belarus and Ukraine all count for Russia it seems
toxic yacht
ah yes, was about to say that
toxic yacht
nope, latvian
balmy wolf
It's weird how the Baltics have their own team
toxic yacht
he also speaks russian with SDB
toxic yacht
although it's not impossible for a danish to speak russian
balmy wolf
beats me
Cypher doesn't seems to be a good OW player
despite being a Quake legend
Visa
Like most players
toxic yacht
ah
balmy wolf
visa issues, replaced by anak
toxic yacht
sounds just like a russian player
toxic yacht
yee
balmy wolf
pros are full of people like that
Someone else declined aswell
Like someone big for some country
Dont remember who
balmy wolf
Seagull? lol
balmy wolf
I think it might have been Fischer
balmy wolf
i'm kind of tilted on how reddit and people are singing the "Seagull team done so well in the Contender Qualifier" though
they beat up mostly scrubs teams
toxic yacht
they went further than NRG
balmy wolf
I cant remember who exactly, but I remember saying "denmark without dafran and X, rip"
toxic yacht
basically all teams beat scrub teams to get to top 8
danmark withoug dafran and exxu
balmy wolf
Could've been Zaprey aswell
balmy wolf
@toxic yacht NRG is a lost cause, so counting them is kind of a throw at this point. But I checked the brackets for both days and Seagull's team just smashed pleb teams for most part and then get stomp by pro teams
so it went as well as reasonably expected, but then again r/cow is r/cow i guess
thorny locust
Hammers is gonna destroy everyone
balmy wolf
just one more EU team to smurfing in NA
wary falcon
Rubikon, uNFixed, ShaDowBurn, Cooller, Forsak3n, NORGAC, msh, Txao, Dikker, Chrollo, pkmk, NLaaeR, Engh, Алексей, Recrent
tryouts for team Russia
balmy wolf
No anak is pretty surprising
balmy wolf
Also I guess only some of the baltics can participate for russia
because if estonia could
wary falcon
Anak is weak
balmy wolf
Vallu would be in 100%
toxic yacht
from what I gathered sharyk changed his nationality and doesn't want to be associated with russia for some reason
toxic yacht
so he's british for all intents and purposes iirc
balmy wolf
wut @wary falcon
wary falcon
Txao is better Zarya
Plus this is not a full list of try-outs, from what i know there are more players to play
balmy wolf
fun fact: Txao tried out for Complexity back in the day
toxic yacht
oh yeah, back when coL was trying out a new guy every 2 days
balmy wolf
Yeah
toxic yacht
before they just imploded
wary falcon
Txao can play Zarya and Tracer
balmy wolf
Back when they were ConvoLuted
balmy wolf
They trialled so many people during carbon lol
it is always EU guys too
never NA
then again, they wasn't looking for Mercy players 😆
There was one NA player actually
No wait 2
Bischu and reach
wary falcon
I hope team Russia will be without Cooller
balmy wolf
why
wary falcon
in current meta we need nlaaer due to his tracer skill
not sure if he will be in team
balmy wolf
Trialing cypher aswell
doubt he'll be picked over sdb though
so rip
Team Liquid did actually tried Cypher
at one point
but then a few days later the Shadder2K acquisition was announced
I just hope InternetHulk had arrived back to NA to actually coach this team of old men
toxic yacht
They dropped him because no other player has a similar name
So we couldn't meme about him
balmy wolf
I wonder who else is on Team Romania besides Shadder and Meza
didn't Shadder said he didn't want to bother with WC?
balmy wolf
Yes?
thorny locust
#32
toxic yacht
They barely qualified
wary falcon
didn't expect this one
toxic yacht
If shadder isn't in it's pointless though :(
balmy wolf
He said he didnt want bother for the last one
I haven't heard anything about this one though
btw
according to JAKE
team USA is now complete
Its pointless anyway really
They wont make it through
now to wait for the eventual tomato throwing
If MESR isnt in they're throwing
toxic yacht
South Korea is also revealing their roster this month
Middle iirc
They're very secretive about it though
balmy wolf
No matter who they send, they will crush it
btw
earlier in last month
I suggested Buds for the Team USA consideration
and some people were laughing at it
and look at where we are now
rapid oxide
"i'm kind of tilted on how reddit and people are singing the "Seagull team done so well in the Contender Qualifier" though" because they are bronze
And 🐔 suckers
As Ajax said, more fans, more whiteknight
That are legit blind
rapid oxide
They still think Seagull is the best DPS player on the planet... Just saying
He deserve to lose tho
He decide to go streaming
Instead of sticking pro
Not that i blame him for his decision
thorny locust
Whoever thought his team would beat any actual pro team were kidding themselves
rapid oxide
"Sinatraa Overrated, Dafran Outdated, Selfless eliminated"
Got 0 2'd lol
And yeah, i think everyone knew Seagull wouldn't have a chance
balmy wolf
*everyone with a brain
thorny locust
Majority of Seagull fans don't have one
balmy wolf
Twitter
so Afreeca turned down scrims against nV citing power outage two days in a row, then hop into game later
wut
rapid oxide
Daddy Alicus 
balmy wolf
some of the NA morning reddit thread make me cringes
"Looking for some unorthodox team comps for my 6 stack to try out."
"3v3/other arcade modes in pro tournaments"
"Aim is good now what."
rapid oxide
500% stats no cd 0 gravity is very competitive tbh
civic marsh
i'd rather watch competitive fucking "i see you move, you die" than competitive 3v3
why are people so hung up on 3v3
it's awful
rapid oxide
Its not even nice to play tbh
I prefere no limits (even if its cancer sometimes) and mystery heroes
I hate im "forced" to play arcade for boxes
civic marsh
yeah all the modes are pretty shit
rapid oxide
The lack of objective makes if borinv
Reason of why a lot of people find boring 1v1 Quake Duel
civic marsh
I think they should add healthpacks in some capacity
rapid oxide
Reason of why DM aren't suitable for being esport
civic marsh
cos if you have no healer/healer dies then it's just a boring chip game
rapid oxide
Or competitive
balmy wolf
csgo is basically dm
wild wigeon
I heard Seagull has a big interview coming out this week.
solid spear
I disagree about dm being suitable for esports it definitely can be
OW just wasnt built for DM
wary falcon
if by DM you mean duels then i can agree
limber pine
Fireteam had a large 3v3 and 1v1 tourney with a lot of pros in it
I think there's a definitely a niche for it.
and that was with the old ruleset
wintry matrix
it depends on the person you're playing with, i had lots of fun matches while we're both being agressive, while others were boring bitches who'd hide and chip if didn't pick roadhog
rapid oxide
Really hope 3v3 comp is at the bottom of the priority list
limber pine
oh don't get me wrong. I hope 6v6 stays priority as well
I just don't think 3v3 is such a writeoff as some people believe
nocturne sable
3v3 needs a better formate before people really start to take it seriously
rapid oxide
Draft? 🤔
limber pine
could do just bans
wintry matrix
it just needs a way to disencourage boring styles of play (which is not easy), the lockout and new maps helped that
also remove self-heal, maybe do experiments with some form of health pack?
nocturne sable
Small or big?
wintry matrix
i still think that would encourage camping
like, it would have to work in a different way than qp/comp mode
limber pine
drop it in a random area
wary falcon
i would love to see open maps with increased movement
nocturne sable
Not really, it's a 45 second cooldown and there's one on the map. Even if it was in the same spot it'd be fucking obvious that you're there. Plus camping isn't exactly always a valid strategy with how mobile some characters are.
wary falcon
healthpacks and armor placed on open places
limber pine
enemy weapon crate incoming
I don't see a problem with self heal with the current 3v3 rules. If you win, you can't use the hero again
and if you lose, you have bigger issues
wary falcon
it's just boring
iron cedar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a7W731ElOU
OW central thinks its a bad idea
wary falcon
i don't even want to see heroes in OW 3x3, maybe just omnics with 200hp and d.va pistol as start weapons
wary falcon
so you need to pick better weapons
healthpacks
armor
et cetera
just my nostalgia about UT99
limber pine
their argument is that making it ranked would "lose the feel" of arcade
just have a QP and ranked 3v3
¯_(ツ)_/¯
civic marsh
plat players making guides and clickbait videos like stylosa
iron cedar
Are they plat?
civic marsh
i dunno that might have been harsh. i seem to remember they used to be at one point
supple nymph
civic marsh
isn't that reaver
supple nymph
who?
dusty surge
Where does he play now?
forest raven
Nowhere
blazing parrot
reaver is a special boy
forest raven
He calls the game shit in streams
blazing parrot
a very very special boi
civic marsh
he's the nutjob that screams "LETS GO CHAMP" every 5 seconds
blazing parrot
ya
forest raven
That's the one good thing he's done
dusty surge
So he's ripping on people for playing on a team when he's not even on the bench at the moment?
dusty surge
I meant in the video linked above
dusty surge
Hrmm. That's too bad.
solid spear
Reaver is a god
solid spear
He wasnt a one trick
And they had him for a while before they realized they needed to move on
He had his moments but eh
Clearly needed to go when he did
forest raven
Toronto did real well, yeah
We'll see if they can remain on that level in groups
Or if they'll fall to the NA curse
limber pine
lul
forest raven
Inconsistency is the name of the game for 
forest raven
Have groups been announced?
limber pine
toxic yacht
I expanded my album of badly cropped images and terrible made transparent pictures with a bunch of TakeOver 2 images, feel free to send me more stuff so that the album gets bigger. Am potentially going to make a completetely seperate one if it gets too big
https://imgur.com/a/mn02E
vestal mortar
lmao Sojum
: ^ )
solid spear
that roster is actually kinda fire
balmy wolf
except for Ube
rapid oxide
why?
limber pine
Sojum plz
balmy wolf
@rapid oxide that guy is anything but fire during the time in LG Loyal
cinder zealot
lel
toxic yacht
slipping out of flame's, I see
cinder zealot
xd
amber ember
that album needs more shortfour
upbeat comet
So I went to a local tourney with my team and we won undefeated. Higher ups made a video about it, am hyped af https://youtu.be/ClFYxjTWc9s
supple nymph
hope you slapped that guy too busy with his phone to listen
balmy wolf
"How much of an edge could any team have got analysing the Chipmunks or any of the teams they scrimmed against on stream?"
"Ya but isn't the consensus for NA scrims that they're too "tryhard"? I think it would be great if they streamed scrims designated to experimental comps and strats. Scrims should be practice, not a comp que replacement."
🤦
blazing parrot
...
upbeat comet
@supple nymph Not slap... More like a little passive aggression during warm-ups.
upbeat comet
Nuh, I'm the dude with the doom cap.
And the glowing ass pc
Shortest little shit there
*manlet
rapid oxide
Bronze Redditors 
upbeat comet
:fucc:
balmy wolf
Go South Korea
vestal mortar
🇰🇷
blazing parrot
A new European team, named 🐶 Bazooka Puppiez, is announced:
https://twitter.com/BazookaPuppiez
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spu7bj
Twitter
toxic yacht
:Slowpoke:
solid spear
Kyo smh
toxic yacht
Kyothe
pine star
Kyo
blazing parrot
shut up
pine star
Make me 
blazing parrot
Blocked
pine star
Reported
blazing parrot
EZ
clever wagon
Will there be another Contenders today
pine star
I believe no
clever wagon
What
pine star
Please
clever wagon
What did I do
clever wagon
I'm feeling all weird and lightheaded
blazing parrot
f
clever wagon
Makes me wanna vomit with how intentionally narrow minded and tunnel visioned some mentally retarded idiots are in r/cow regarding a team's region
solid spear
whats the problem now Seija bb
supple nymph
whether rogue is true NA or EU matters when deciding if NA > EU
solid spear
I mean it depends on what youre talking about
civic marsh
if the org is an NA org then the team is NA
solid spear
the NA scene being better or worse or NA players?
if Manchester United signs 10 Brazilians today that doesnt make them a Brazilian club but the players are of Brazilian nationality
civic marsh
if an english football team fields a team of 11 containing no english players, the team is still english 🤷
tired escarp
LOL
clever wagon
Anyway
Seagull is maybe top 20 NA dps
Among what, the consistent 4-5 tier 1 teams and ~10 tier 2 teams? With the likes of Surefour, Timo, aKm in tier 1 teams and Shadder, Train, AZK, Hydration, etc etc in tier 2 teams?
I don't hate caw caw guy but you pretty much just downplayed him my friendo
solid spear
eh
clever wagon
I meant that he made Seagull look mediocre instead compared to the rest of the scene
clever wagon
It isn't
jovial eagle
seagull does play other characters though
sturdy granite
maybe top 50, but 20 seems a bit much
clever wagon
Just that the statement makes him look worse than he is
solid spear
idk
balmy wolf
Seagull had been underperformed since forever
he is top 20 but lower 20s
not higher 20
jovial eagle
seagull has the skill to be among the top dps players, but he lacks the mindset
solid spear
even if you disagree
jovial eagle
he plays to his team a lot
clever wagon
Because from my point of view the guy looked like he was praising seagull
jovial eagle
when he really tries he's crazy
balmy wolf
not really....
Seagull was supposedly the carry of NRG and they hasn't done shit
when he was in their line up
jovial eagle
like i said, he plays to his team a lot
clever wagon
You can't see Seagull doing anything if NRG hasn't done any match with him and he just left when they were about to do their first
jovial eagle
i like seagull for reasons unrelated to competitive overwatch
but at the same time i know he's skilled
clever wagon
But unfortunately competitive Overwatch is part of the important picture
jovial eagle
it is, but for me not the whole chunk
wintry matrix
i mean, can we really judge seagulls skill in nrg? who didn't underperform there?
supple nymph
harbleu?
wintry matrix
Harbleu had some crap matches, i remember someone in that thread saiying that his style sometimes carried but sometimes just fed
balmy wolf
his style is inconsistent
compare him to Evermore or Hymzi for example
NIP with Hymzi on Hog was a force to be reckon with because of how well Hymzi play with his team
meanwhile Harbleu played solo queue a lot
wintry matrix
it's like that post said, NRG has conflicting styles and what not (srsly, who builds this team?)
i remember he being consistent on coL
balmy wolf
eh
he was also inconsistent in CoL
there were games he was a monster
the other, not so much
velvet scarab
but the nrg house is gonna be in las vegas
balmy wolf
that can only means that Mendo might be getting a spot on an LA based team
which team, nobody fucking know
narrow wigeon
Rip mendo is not coming to selfless 😭 😭 he would fit just like another weeb
solid spear
Weebs smh
clever wagon
Weebs smh
rapid oxide
Weebs smh
balmy wolf
👀
sturdy granite
Any predictions for EU contenders?
balmy wolf
most of the tier 1 will qualified
because EU is very top heavy
but some tier 2 teams will get sneaked in
rapid oxide
Im really curious to see underdogs EU team in contenders
balmy wolf
Iceblock GG, Team LDLC, Bazooka Puppies, Laser Kittenz etc etc
eUnited, Movistar, Misfits, Cyclowns, Iceblock GG, Team LDLC, Bazooka Puppies, Laser Kittenz, Team Expert
forest raven
GO
balmy wolf
I'm curious to see Iceblock GG perform though. They are basically ex Misfits and Luminosity. Another French superteam
sturdy granite
Singularity?
rapid oxide
Alpha Squad, vivi, seqta, owl six, singularity
balmy wolf
I wonder if ex Team Dignitas is going to play
sturdy granite
Perhaps we could get another amalgamation of players like FNRGFE
rapid oxide
Why not! EU have a big FA pool
balmy wolf
but the biggest chunk has gone to Iceblock GG
Kryw, Hidan, and Plouk are there
I do expected a lot of ex players and FA to come out of the wood work for this though
balmy wolf
Kongdoo Uncia is kind of feelsbad
they got the short end of the roster shuffle
and get rekt hard in their group stage
it wasn't long ago they gave nV all they could handle
forest raven
Yeah 
idk what happened in season 2
Their coordination dropped off around their match against C9
clever wagon
Fraggin outtt https://clips.twitch.tv/AntsySplendidMink4Head
They're bunched up but that initial 3K with a single slash was pretty rad
sturdy granite
beautiful
clever wagon
If LGE can perform more consistently they probably are easily on par with Selfless at least
balmy wolf
idk about that
LGE seems to have a few deficiency when it come to dive play
and while they are known for their tank play
it was a few meta ago
and any attempt at trying to diversify things have been suspect
cough JAKE on Pharah cough
feral solar
are we expecting 3-0's today
toxic yacht
probably
devout cipher
I think that LG Evil might need a few changes on their roster and then they can be compared to selfless.
I mean even IMT had to change their roster to create more wins
toxic yacht
LGE isn't changing their roster anytime soon
except something goes really, really wrong
balmy wolf
LGE probably won't import any Koreans soon
they are trialing new coach though
so let's see how it goes
sharp vale
where 2 watch contenders live?
feral solar
sharp vale
thank you!
red anvil
Is there a way for meta athena not to go to group stage B?
red anvil
yeah not that gone happen
but how, is there something with the score system i dont understand? they will be same amount of win/losses as BK, but -2 match losses rather then BKs -3?
So in theory they would still be on even at a 3 -0 to RG
oh i'm an idiot, ofc RG will go on if that happens
feral solar
haha yep
red anvil
So there in, given that RG wins 3 - 0, they are same score as meta
what decides who goes on? extra match?
forest raven
RG wins the head to head with Meta
feral solar
yeah that
red anvil
So simply winning against the other team makes them go on, makes sense
red anvil
yeah i got that
balmy wolf
inb4 Sayaplayer and Libero get poached in NA
red anvil
was just curious :=
balmy wolf
I get it
red anvil
if they lose 3 - 0 to RG i dont even wane see them in group play 2
feral solar
fans are excited tonight
balmy wolf
I take it back, Twitch chat still LULs when someone resets...
red anvil
And Meta athena wipes with new setup
feral solar
idk why you would think otherwise
red anvil
lol lucky
feral solar
saya 🔥
balmy wolf
This is painful to watch...
red anvil
And so much for RG in group stage 2 
sturdy granite
GOOD LORD HAVE MERCY THEY HAVE FAMILIES
balmy wolf
all of them use Logitech mice and Steelseries pad lol
devout cipher
Jeez they are getting spawn camped too. Savages
red anvil
ouch
balmy wolf
he was swapping
RIP RG Wings
Meta Athena, please make this quick
so I can see Uncia's death
what the fuck was Amy doing
throwing?
sturdy granite
I've barely seen any of the cool strategies that Meta was known for back in season 2, now its all dive
balmy wolf
they don't need to
to paraphrase a Vietnamese idiom
why use a butcher knife for a cow to kill a chicken?
red anvil
D.va and winston is so ridiculously defining for the meta right now >_>
i miss good old rein battles
red anvil
new reaper aint that good really, sure his ult gets really strong
but he only get 100 hp from killing a winston
sturdy granite
But its instant, unlike before where you had to get the kill to recieve health
red anvil
and he actually gets less hp from killing squishys
Sure it's instant, but easily out damageable if just tracer starts spraying his gigantic hitbox, he just dies
sturdy granite
It won't be perfect, but it will at least be a better option after the next patch
sturdy granite
At least Sombra is strong now, thats a nice change
balmy wolf
Tyrant 
true grove
sturdy granite
WOW