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did they just use both support ults before blade or visor even got activated?
yes

sword and visor were activated right after he dropped the beat
That's so stupid omg
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lol, eU throw
Dive comp op
next seagull match https://www.overwatchcontenders.com/match/details/59342a5b1e024b175cece07d
boombox 
what did he do?
5 ults
He stole the mega from S4
lol
what a stick
Freaking Boombox
wtf is boombox
...
I love how he always gets those rightclicks on flying genjis
it's just as I expected tbh
eU only looks like shit vs Rogue
they were pretty dominant in every other match
they didn't drop a single map outside fo the rogue game
in the group stages
admittedly, group A was much less competitive than B
is there any hero gods can't play ๐ค
his tracer is meh
he's really only good at hitscan, roadhog and genji
he can also flex into winston
wait, his hanzo is really good too
I forgot
well, he does have a pretty wide hero pool, but he's not super amazing with all of them like TviQ or Surefour is
Tracer us a hitscan lol
and Gods on certain heroes are just average at best
like McCree and Tracer
I know, but I specifically felt the need to point out that his tracer was meh
yeah
he is an ok flex but it seems like his Roadhog and Genji are getting more mileage
god given game sense
lolz
and I mean you have Buds of all people got a mean Genji as well
so maybe it is easier for hitscan to try Genji?
yee, that'd make sense. Genji isn't that aim heavy anyway, he's more gamesense, good dashes and knowing how to do good dragonblades
although having very good aim like shadowburn definitely helps
although
good Genji get value when he is not blading
which is the main seperation between Genji like JAKE who only get values when he is blading
vs Gods or Buds or Shadowburn who can chain dashes and combo together and get a kill without it
yup. sword bots are good, but they kinda lose value when that's all they can do well
wtf is boombox
Emp is balanced 
clown 9
The fact that a player can be garbage with a hero outside of the use of that hero's ult AND still be valuable is why it bugs me that they buffed Genji after fixing the swing count bug.
What was I saying?
And Buds Genji isnt like at all a new thing
he played projectile like, a year ago
I can see why people forgot that he actually used to do taht
I mean he went to hitscan after Idd left but he has plenty of projectile experience
This isnt some new thing
not really
He used to play pharah Genji all the time
Buds only unleashed and grinded his Genji after Fnatic kicked Hafficool and Vonethil out
and projectile experience =/= Pharah
a decent hitscan can get on Pharah and grind her a bit
since fundamentally speaking the playstyle isn't that different compare to a hitscan
just that now you have to pre aim and also learn on air positioning
but Genji is a whole different ballpark
couldn't they have contested like, a second earlier?
yes
Idr which match
let me just cut off this interesting bit of analysis with a crap joke 
people would probably actually run him if 2-2-2 deathballs were more viable
but atm you either deathball with 3 tanks
or do a 2-2-2 dive
or an all-in triple dps dive
Triple tank will be worse next patch but still dive being as good as it is just makes him bleh
๐ for peope running Cree instead of hog but LUL
look how fast emp is charging
A man can dream
holy shit
EMP is broken
I said this
before sombra was put on PTR
the moement I saw her kit and her gameplay
I was like like "LUL, this ult is fucking broken"
and everyone was like "nnoonono, you're just dumb"
Sombra's entire kit is great -- we've been saying it for a long time. But it requires more coordination than people/teams generally have. And even then, it required a few buffs before the pros would even sniff her.
Eh I dont youd ever run McCree for Hog without Hog that comp is way too dive weak
At the end of the day, it's that whole perception issue. A few influential people decide "she's shit" and the community at large follows their decision.
And I dont think emp is broken necessarily it just charges too fast for what it does
But thats all youre using the character for cuz she doesnt kill shit
how did eunited turn that fight
It only charges that fast with a team coordinating with her. When EMP is down, these teams are not letting the healers heal during downtime; they're using hacked health packs.
So if you took that away shed just disappear
my buggest issue with EMP is just that it has zero counterplay
on a map like anubis you're forced to bunch up like retards
next c9 will be all koreans
and even with a slower chargerate, you'd still get bumfucked if she used it
with zero counterplay
is c9 really going to get 3-0'ed
like, at least you can eat gravs
or deflect them
killing zarya before she uses grav also works
as oppsed to sombra
Thing is, you can still move around and shoot. EMP is only powerful here because the pro-level revolves so heavily around ults.
Denying ults is like denying how they play the game.
Below GM, it's not that huge of an ult.
yeah you'd need decent coordination to capitlize on her ult
well, you basically make heroes like genji, tracer, rein and to some degree winston sitting ducks
Idk you have stuff like trans with no counterplay besides like nade but then people just complain about nade
dva also becomes useless
well, that's why sombras always hack zeny
or make sure to emp around him
Problem is the character is so reliant on emp
ah, you mean ults with no counterplay
Like without it shes actually just garbo
EMPing Zen is flat out bullying
Zenny gets hard countered by sombra, hack him and he's 1 hit from death
yep
Hacking doesn't get rid of shields
it doesnt?
No
Just emp
also, you can boop zenyatta or whatever
you can even kill through trans
with certain ults
or just burst damage
When you get EMP'd as Rein, you can't use the shield and its health goes to zero
When hacked you just can't use it
I'm pretty sure, yeah
Does EMP count as damage for stats?
I believe not
Aww, that's too bad.
It'd be amusing to be like "wtf team, I have gold damage as Sombra"
kek
๐ BabyRage HELLO KOREA ๐ BabyRage THIS IS NA ๐ BabyRage WE CANT BEAT EU ๐ BabyRage SEND MORE KOREANS ๐ BabyRage .
thats like a bad hanzo saying I have gold damage because I spammed the rein shield
wtf is the western OW scene atm
but well, good to know that c9 is much stronger than I thought
they're still kind of getting rekt, but they're putting up a very good fight
omg kaiser

KAISER
how did they fucked it up
I wonder why he didn't EMP sooner.
was gg at the EMP
i think he wanted to get the zen in it
I genuinly love these pastas
why is earthshatter so hype compared to other ults ๐ค
it can be so damn clutch

its easily wasted, but in the right hands, earthshatter can win games for you
Not wasted on Jkap
how does day 2 qualifier work? they just play again?
lol, seflless
$50,000 TaKeOver 2 powered by Predator: Day 4 - Cloud9 vs. eUnited - Clipped by bamalkin71
watf
Was Hanamura a draw?
yes, kaiser clutched
Discord doesn't know how to clipboard.
@civic marsh thanks!
is c9 a US team
@small basin yes they are
oh thats why then
gg
Aye gg
ahhh ahhhhh ah ah ah
Cloud nien
they beat Movistar which is a net win in my book
No way they'd have won vs eU
but winning against Movi is 
quack
All things considered beating Misfits, Movi and Hammers with a 2 week old roster is good
yes 0 to 2 is a good preformance
awkward
wow
tbh calling this roster 2 weeks old is misleading, eU also recently swapped out their support but no one seems to consider taht
yeah but boomb box
just because it was a 2-0 it doesn't mean that they played badly
yes it does
they never got stomped on any map
seagulls air shots give me an erection
but 2-0 is a stomp
also, they beat one of the best EU teams before this
so yes, this is a good performance
@small basin doesnt understand how overwatch works
Route 66 was a stomp
I just dont beleive in medals for showing up
you can lose every map very narrowly, doesn't mean it's a stomp
they came 3rd
that's not "just showing up"
its not like they didnt make it out of the group stage
3rd?
take ur bs participation arguements outta here and try and come up with something concrete @small basin

seagull makes my dick concrete
hot

but im saying it now
this might as well be Seagull Contenders since no other teams are streaming
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I still find that legendary
why does no one ever talk about how fucking disgustingly good seagulls phara is
That Num was legit completely outplayed by a plat Rein there
people dont like to ever acknowledge pharah exists.
yea and it would be nice to see some more matches like that
because there are many disgusting pharahs out there
but i guess noone is gonna stream
liek talespin
or tviq
or mangachu
or surefour
but yes, seagull's pharah is really good
back in the LG days
people only want pharah gone
when they were the 3rd best team in NA
^lol tru
and seagull was spamming pharah
people most definitely talked about how good he was
but that's a year ago now
lul
i think youre right sojum
there are too many good pharahs
and no one really mains her? like theyre usually known for other heroes or just in general
there are a few teams known for running pharmercy almost everywhere, and whenever someone mentions pharah players people usually think of talespin
Pharah is dead on arrival without mercy so she's too niche to main in the pro scene
but there isn't like "THE PHARAH" like you have with SoOn Tracer and ShaDowBurn genji
Zza and Mangachu are Pharah mains, aren't they
Oh right, Hydration
RNG isn't really a pharmercy team iirc
but CLG and Yikes kinda abuse it the entire time
especially on koth
Next up: Watch eUnited get stomped by Rogue. For the third time!
Mangachu runs a ton of 76 nowadays
will they pick gibraltar again 
I haven't followed RNG for a while now
so I wouldn't know
does he still run junk on sanctum?
He didnt in Rivalcade
:/
why did it take people so long to figure out how to use sombra, was she buffed at some point?
She was multiple times
But even then just took a while
but not an awful lot
ana was figured out much much faster tho
coL was known for running her on hybrid
ana is also much more straightforward
sombra is this... thing
oh man we
I mean even now shes not used like a TON but shes definitely used now
with a gameplay style like nothing else in this game
Ana also immediately got play after Zen nerf so yeah
I like seeing Sombra in pro play but I don't like how i'm gonna see a ton of bad sombras in comp now 
it'll take some time for people to realize how much sombra was being ran here, lul
I saw more Sombra at Take this weekend than usually do at Apec outside 2cp
APEC
I think that you're mixing up two different things
in solo q.

C is by x and my phone is
kek
Sojum pls
based off this tournament and PIT EU teams apparently run a ton of sombra
she's almost a must pick on KR
in 2cp
mostly anubis and volskaya
I mean she'll probably be D in usage this week with all her play here
She was already close to that
am excited about seeing a sudden spike in sombra usage
My man McCree looking nice in F next week 

I miss him ;_;
mccree is so much better to watch 
just go rewatch some Atlantic Showdown VODs
wtf eunited is at the grand finals?
Boi you think I dont?
I'm a Tracer main and all but some of these teams spamming literally the same 8 heros is 
yep
I knew it would happen
tracer is my like, second most played hero
I don't find her boring at all
to watch
Dive comp is nice an all
But watching the same comp all the time is pretty boring
2-2-2 deathballs
all we see is triple tank and dives
I'd like something more balanced
And dive gets better next patch 
but I'd rather watch this than tank meta
tbh my favourite was still discord meta
during ESL
it was also stale af
in terms of diversity
Reaper deathball 
but at least it was more balanced in terms of comp styles
Eh you saw Reaper, McCree, Genji, Tracer all getting played a lot
Id argue the meta was healthier
I mean, outside of those the rest of the picks were always the same
outside of some niche hog picks
and rein being swapped for harambe
but yeah, I'm not sure if everything dying in 2 seconds was very healthy
Hog nerfs cant come soon enough
Except on koth
Koth was sooooo stale
Literally Zarya/Winston/Zen/Lucio/Tracer/fill every koth game
ah yes
fuckin zappis
no one knew what he created that moment
when we all rejoiced about tank stacking
lul
Yeah
I remember a couple weeks after she came out I was watching nip with either polo or Zoro
And we were like he got a nano in 20 seconds
ReU and Rogue actually ran her after release and before her first round of buffs iirc
she was a nanobot back then
got nano stupid fast
her stupid high heals kinda got cancelled out by McCree oneshotting 200 hp heroes
Ana made tanks better but 50% discord made them so much worse
that's what we're talking about rn
And yeah thats the 3x3
Im talking about
That meta was fire simply because Pharmercy wasn't a thing
Well that was 6 second hook 1.0 Hog so he still had a niche
jkap hiding his boner
that gibraltar was brutal
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nepal first map
Tmw Selfless is the only Western team that challenges Rogue
They might even be better than them now
whoa, rogue made a mistake with their ult usage again
๐ that they magically forgot what they learnt in korea
I wonder why they're both running dva
scared of unfixed and aKm?
dude
this is the first koth map they took off from rogue
๐
your old teammate believes in you
https://i.imgur.com/kUYgVhg.png
Cuz D.Vas broken 
This last round is bo5, but Rogue have a 1-0 headstart, right?
Oh man, it's just another bo5 straight up?
yup
nico LUL
wallclimb probably bugged
but I want eU to win so I will let it slide for now
these boombox picks though
Fuckin boombox doing work
Were they sandbagging earlier?
they got 3-1'd by rogue on thursday
and 3-0'd 2 matches ago
in the winner's bracket
jesus
how did they take that back
magic
Genji is op
Yup
:(
wow
FaZe uP
Hrmm. eU seems to have deflated pretty quickly.
Boombox 
just slaying ulting genjis all day
every time they focus on boombursts screen
he's hitting meaty right clicks
this supp ults usage triggers me
kruise solo kills 4 and they still lose the fight 
they would have won the last fight if morte hadn't gotten picked off
also, unfixed threw the tac visor
after they lost that one fight
rogue throw lul
shouldn't they have learnt of the sonic trick on korea?
I missed everything after the first teamfight rogue won
well, eU completed, which is cool
any bracket reset?
so Eunited had to win 2 series to win?
they won vs c9 to get the the finals
lost winners vs rogue then won losers vs c9 specifically
yup
Lul
lol

eU pls
brutal
eUnited is getting fisted
Knoxx Rein
boombox is basically a 4th dps
lol
...
wtf
knoxxx rein?
whoa
I think losing to KDP on r66 made them use Rein on last
he played rein on last point defence too
didn't see it, was gone
soon played some mccree too
heard about that
Rip EG
this is one of those time that i think that going non-dive is hurting Rogue
What happened to them?
Time
to
watch
my
bois
Rogue
waste
5
ults
solo earthshatter...
toronto knocked them out
Man TO looks solid af tbh
shattering to fuck up gengar is pretty common
That's what I've been hearing
tbh shatter is one of the most reliable ways to shut down sword
Chance vs his old team lol
Shatter an ulting Genji: 100% worth it
...
Rogue is having KDP flashback now
that's very manageable for eU
Aye I like seeing Ana
If there's just pick advantage and no bracket reset that's actually dumb

rip
gg
Knoxxx: "phew"
Weebs
Fake weebs
wow
wtf was eU's ult management there?
EU ult
๐คท
btw
Overwatch Contenders Tourney [4377 S4] Rein/Winston Main | โ Team Nevermoreโ
my team is up against ex Rise Nation now
@dusty bay
Jesus. Looking like they're going to get 3-0'd again.
rip
gl
Time for the penultimate match, KatC vs straight outta comp ๐
I believe in Boombox ๐
imo EU deserve to get at least 1 won map
๐ I USED TO PLAY WITH HEADPHONES ๐ BUT NOW I'M USING BOOMBOX ๐
even cyclowns got 1 map off rogues
(i didnt see that match tho,maybe rogue were just fucking around)
I USED TO PLAY WITH HEADPHONES
BUT NOW I'M USING BOOMBOX 
Dang
lots of ults from rogue
I'm tempted to call myself Boombox Jr.
@toxic yacht just live the dream
๐
๐ Reverse Sweep ๐
Sojum Im still watching jeez

๐จ the ReUnited curse
WOOOOO


._.
lul
"Put your headset back on"
busted
the callback
PUT YOUR HEADSETS BACK ON SON YOU'VE GOT A GAME TO PLAY
we did it reddit!
๐
anytime i hear someone say "i need heals" or "come x for heals" i just think of dummy
"Come dumpster for heals"
Ooo
@toxic yacht he said microwave rice
Straight outta comp queue vs 
ewwww
?????????
I never thought that I'd be rooting for ReU in a Rogue vs ReUnited matchup
Reu was my first favourite team when i was a wee lad
Rogue throwing
Boombox smh

wtf are these pulse bombs
THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!!
UnitLost in chat ๐
He's always in chat in most tourneys lol
someone watching seagull rn?
knoxxx throwing
...why did they barrier so early?
people are calling them ReU the whole time
old habits
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
the hold ๐ฆ
I'm so against sound barrier to engage
Yeah its not good imo
someone adviced me to always do that when i started playing
and now i have hard time forgetting that habit
is it happenin bois
GO eU
insolent fools
they're doing ittt
dat helix
dat helix
rip
The dream is dead
eu pls
Dead
if vallu's pulse bomb landed ๐ฆ
lmfao uber
Our Kruise
Our Kruise
Our Kruise
lmfao
"in your bronze games"
lul bm
these trans....
dude
that's some beautiful tracking alright



believe
rip
OOO
BELIEVE
Unfixed my gooooodness
nooo
OH MY GUIYODDD
Boombox 
HOLY FUCKING SHIIIIIT
throwing it away
no :c
notlikethis
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
This bomb
NOOOOOOOO THROW
They have a chance to regroup for one last fight.
gg
:(
VALLUUUU
VALLUU
rip
NOOOOOOOOO
LOL
nooooo
KNOOOOOXXXXX
GUCK
hahahaa
DAMMIT
what is this
c9
ALWAYS #2
Naisu

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
WTFFFFFFFF
dafuq am I hearing
AHHH AH AH AH
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
AAAAAAHHH
LOL
FUCK
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
ROGUE
AAAAAAAAAHHHH
what is this jiheishou music
EU TEAM
now i hear ducks
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
KNOOOOXXX BEST REIN CONFIRMED LUL ?
that unkoe snipe on boombox... broke my heart
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
EUNITED STILL FOREVER 2ND PLACE
AHHHHH AH AH AH
Mercy Bot having a shit? 
๐ญ
mercy bot is dead

haha
ULTRA KAPPAPRIDE
omgggg




this moment won't soon be forgotten

unkoe sees the comments on reddit about boombox and decides to dumpster him to win the game
Soon is like "mawfucker, i'm SOON. BITCH!"
Surefour creeping behind
lol
Roolf: 
wooooooooooow
did he say they were playing retarded or Reu?
I will miss this event
yeah he did
They're so chill
i'm ready for Takeover 3
I love SoOn's 24/7 smug ass face
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My cock is going to touch the sky from all these air shots



GET HYPED
wait, there's a transparent glass between the two set of computers?
this song
Yeah dude
KappaPride
i didn't even watch the majority of it, but the ending made it seemed like i really missed out
and also, IS FUCKING HAMMERS QUALIFIED YET
It was even mentioned on day 1
Kruise said he was looking over at someone
Hammers vs TwistedSin now
aaaaaAAAAAA
it's over guys
time for Rogue to go back to France to kick back and relax now

Contenders in a few hours though
๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ

lmao
It's like they just got married or something http://i.imgur.com/GbmktjS.png
wtf lol
tf is this music
๐ฆ
rip chat
Surefour in the back like "this aint even much rite"
AHHHHH
wtf
WTH
lmao
๐ฆ ๐ฆ

wtf is this song lmao
ARHHHHHHH
LOOOOOL
LMFAO
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS APEX ANYMORE
WHAT IS THIS
EnV vs NRG
rip nrg
I'm surprised they didnt do better yesterday with ConnorJ god hog
does the contenders bracket freeze anyone else's browser when scrolling?
16gb ram here
fuck, Team Liquid will need to go through Toronto eSport after their match
also, IMT vs Tempo Storm
not quite sure who i should root for lol
Ex-Rise vs CLG
I don't expect IMT to do so good with the new additions
LOL Winz with the spice
reign too fast
I missed me some Winz spicy tweets
He's a better ana
What's a Hidan?








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