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still capping point A lul
wtf eU throwing
eU is baaad bro
oh
lol they will cap B too ?
we are fucking reverse caster curse Rogue lol
omg ahahah
HAHA
omfg
lol rip
yeah, eU threw that lol
"Rogue still can't 2CP"
Rogue cap 2 points
i looked away for 30 seconds
4*
did it start yet

cap 2 points in 1 minute
Boombox was the solution - eUnited
lol
looool
WHAT
FUCKING WIPED OUT
who is rogue adren?
Caster: "WAUUUUUU????!!"
I think Nico's genji is a good indicator for the gap between the west and KR
not really
different region
different meta
therefore sometimes when people cross over
Is it really ?
yes
there's a reason why KR never take to triple tanks and quad tanks when NA/EU was drunk on it
why did they nano nico?
this may actually have fucked their full hold
he already hard sword
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AKM and co actually back off
Rogue doing exactly what eU did
wot
rip
REEEE
hooly shit
Rogue's throwing
SO MUCH THROWING
omg they are chugging so much water and redbull
unkoe looks really tired
Fischer just laughing his ass off because of all of the throws
he was rubbing his eyes and stuff at the start too
What were they even planning with that grouping up in the ramen shop?
No it's his everyday face lul
month and a half
those plays never worked out well for Rogue. Everytime they went for an ambush push THEY NEVER FUCKING PULL IT OFF
why would they still insists on doing it
I can remember exactly one moment when it worked
vs nV
at hollywood
when they all hid in the building in front of spawn
They're stubborn
apart from that they always threw when they did that
so far this had been a throwing morning so far. Cyclowns doing their best impression of pre shuffle C9, and now this
i'm going to sleep
lol
rip
i take this back
They deserve the loss
is that boombox or sharyk between kruise and vallu
coach must slap them some sense
boom, I think
Don't wanna jump on Boombox LUL
that guy knows
But he isn't playing that well
...poks playing a better zen than boombox tbh
but it may just be the teams they're playing against
also, morte used to play main support until beyblade
he was always a beast zen
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guys i got the feel that korea is better because of APEX when the EU NA teams still waiting for a good league
blizz needs to hurry up so the west team will close the cap
You do realise Contenders is about to begin its qualifiers
obliterated
Holy crap... there's more matches after this?
Yeah dude
I can't see how OWL (if it's mostly filled with western teams) can be more competitive than APEX
Koreans are try hards for real
LMAO
I'm so used to APEX and only catching the last round on a slow day. How am I supposed to get anything done with my entire work day having matches going on? :D
too bad Rogue is EU
haha
"GIT GUD"
LUUUL
Rogue - NiP now?
Yes
ITS MADE OF REDDIT
WE DID IT REDDIT
Ford why aren't you using bettettv
???
BetterTTV?
Yep
????
It's bellow the chat
Your life will change with BTTV
I join the stream and see this mouse ad
I N F O M E R C I A L
hold for a bunch of minutes and you will see god like beards
i missed NIP
Rip
score?
BRACKET WHERE?
Need 1 person for a 4 stacj placement matches
Okay but where are the brackets??
Groups & scoring, no brackets.
Where??
reu?
It's round robin. No one's "out" yet.
eU?
ROGUE ARE COMING FOR YA
This puts in perspective how OP KR is
_> REU is my team
wow rogue is so chill
match is over?
mentally yes
payload map now
is it bo7?
Its like 4 bo1
so if nip win this map wutt happend
Nothing
so why even play this map?
For stats
its ranked by the map wins
nop
jackie........

Best way to get rid of jetlag lol
so you could win all your matches but if they are close you could still not get to the group stages?
if this is goes 3-1
rogue is 6-2
and cyclones is somewhat easy for them
and nip 4-4
4 edits in a row <_<
still not used to this new keyboard
Oh, all the matches have gone 3-1, so I assuemd bo5. :P
I prefer good ol' bo3
Helegrind: Don't lie chat, they play until Rogue loses
hahaha
how long has take tv been live my childrens
also is the quals stages being played out on LAN or online
nm
"they play until Rogue loses"
lmao
The quals were online
foof i've been out of the loop
It started 5 and a half hours ago
christ
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That. Deflect.
Jason lol
NERF OR NOTHING
game just started
I love Reinforce lol
No comment. @UberShouts
#OWTaKeOver
https://t.co/QHUxducmVk https://t.co/WgzglfvkT7
I need to find that part of the stream for a better gif
i got this earlier http://i.imgur.com/Mwfiqjv.png
lol
.@TheRiseNation drops Overwatch team citing concerns around the Overwatch League - https://t.co/iIBNaikzj0
that was a team I mentioned a couple weeks ago being a small org with a team with average results
F
F
How is mercy in the pro leagues?
just curious
With Pharah
well Pharmercy teams run her quite a bit so teams like Yikes, CLG, RNG she isnt really used outside of those comps ever though
Euniteds comp is so weird
unfixed's sombra is the worst sombra i have ever seen on pro level
Wait eU already 3? How many do they have to win
F
Groups is based off map wins
not series wins
So theres 4 matches played every series
1 from each mode
https://twitter.com/tempohooey/status/870354317450113024 As far as I'm concerned that's 5 players, anyone have any clue who the last player could be?
last rogue stomp of the day inc
does anyone else get annoyed that seagull needs to justify streaming still
Is he even going to go pro anymore? Probably makes enough money streaming at this point.
it's not his fault but it's annoying that the only major lan tournament outside KR only gets half the viewers
when he's just streaming placements or whatever
He's gonna go pro for OWL
inb4 reddit rants that seagull is hurting ow esports 
hope he remembers to register
How is Cyclowns the EU nrg
hyped team, down 2 players days before tournament, performing badly
lol Rise Nations
that team had been underperforming for a fucking long time
it is no surprise that they'd get drop
Who was the other player that left NRG days before a tournament
???
?
what are you on about
eh........
Seagull?
I already knew Seagull
unless somehow you mistook Talespin for him
i was asking who the other was
ajax
it's not literally the same but you see the similarities...
not really
your question is vague, and there's no instances of people leaving NRG before a big tourny
And theres a big difference between a team getting popular streamers/popular pros, gaining hype and then being shit
and then a team having really good results then losing 2 players right before a big lan
and then performing bad
yeah Cyclowns was a significantly better team than NRG ever was
like idk
wachu meen

It isnt, he said "2 players down days before a tournament" and i asked who was the other player that left before a tournament @balmy wolf
just reread the convo, yeah
sounds confusing as fuck
Any conversation with Ford is shit overall
Polo pls
I really can't see the similarities
zoning dragonblade lol
Has Rogue lost a map yet today?
unkoe depressed as fck
Bishop is an analyst it would seem
a very quiet one aswell
He barely talked throughout numbani
he is more talkative on stream
the casters need to encourage him to talk more
Is he the C9 guy?
he is their coach
omg that shutdown
That was one clutch bomb
what was that disenage and rotation from Cyclowns
caffeine making them either too blind for glasses to matter or seeing too good
Wait wait
Sombra? Unkoe on Tracer
Whoa
AKM DVa
Is Rogue just yoloing from exhaustion now?
i mean people want to see Rogue from different looks
and they are doing it
what more can you ask
Rogue still can't 2CP
They're pros
That doesnt matter lol
12 maps in one day is more than your usual scrim block
Were you or were you not listening to the shit Rogue had to deal with off-scene?
And also that
No
but if you don't want your players to be tired you use subs I'd say
2 days stranded in the shittiest airport in the world, AKM losing his glasses.....
You don't usually do 12 maps and staying on scene over what
why didnt they get a motel or something? are they broke?
More than 6 hours
That's some bad luck lol
@supple nymph no hotel it seems
they had to sleep in the airport
That is pretty tough
If you didn't notice already 7+ man roster still isn't quite the common thing
Now I feel bad for them...
And finding talent that gels with the rest of the team takes time
If they have to play that much during the OWL then it should be more common imo
Going from living out of a hotel in Korea for a few weeks straight to living in an airport for 2 days
feelsbad for rogue
There's no incentive in constantly rotating ringers either
OWL most likely isn't going to be this extreme
and also, extra players = extra salary
There'd be more teams playing thus more down/break time for teams that aren't playing
It's that simple
if it wasnt during the software thing why couldnt they get a room?
it's by london right
how the fuck can an org help if a. there's no hotel to book in and b. their team had to spoon with each other 2 days in Heathrow?
sending international hookers?
The fuck is this software thing you're talking about?
airport hotels are expensive
you'd need to book it in advance
and UK is expensive as fuck
In that case you'd be racing with other flight passengers to find places to stay
so they just let their players sleep on the ground
If they didn't manage to find a place to stay then yeah there's nothing the org can do
All hotels within 5 minutes of Heathrow are expensive as fuck dude lol
London is an expensive place, and you'd need to get out of the suburbs to find hotels, as most of hotels in the inner London and outside of the airport are expensive as fuck
You'd have to go 30+ minutes out to get ones that arent booked up or expensive
Did you not notice this flights canceled issue that might as well lead to all flight passengers being forced to find places to stay first come first serve?
first 'there are none' now 'they are too expensive'
ok thanks that's what I wanted to know lol
Jfc
Common sense
put two and two together, mate.
Even if they had the money it's not unlikely it'd be first come first serve for the available nearest places anyway
I suppose eSports is still lightyears away from irl sports then
why call your team Clowns
comparing an industry with barely 20 years old vs something with 100+ years to build
Have troubles been confirmed?
mostly is from anon sources
some of them are credible, some are not
What else do you need confirmed
Well there's also football teams that are younger than even eSports orgs
but they have more money
The industry itself
Even if an individual team is younger than esport orgs they still have a more solid and developed base to build upon
Because they're bound to a location yeah
That's what OWL is trying to emulate
You have to get the local people involved when it comes to sports teams
given the online nature of esport
everyone is kind of on the edge of their pants with that
Yeah
but most sports teams have more fans from outside of their area
However, if you have no connection to your own location there's no point in marteking it like so
Japan's football league imploded after a couple seasons because the clubs felt disconnected from their cities
Hopefully the same won't happen to the OWL then
everyone here is full of it they had a hotel sunday https://twitter.com/Rogue_lizlin/status/868790294472515585 and arrived in germany tuesday https://twitter.com/Rogue_lizlin/status/869561283233935361
"book a new flight"
did their other flight fucked off or something?
so they arrived on Saturday, and only leave on Tuesday, and only a night in the hotel
so 2 days hotel-less still true
kek
ford trying to do research, still fails
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Exposed LOL
When did the other teams arrive?
on sunday- I'm assuming until they departed unless they decided to go homeless again
roughly same time, but except for C9 every other team is EU
so they were homeless for saturday
the tweet you posted was refering to them staying in london since saturday
not being homeless
Update from Heathrow: Spend 5h on the plane after landing, our bags are nowhere to be seen, all connections cancelled and now we need hotel https://t.co/Qw0uSQhTjK
Man, Heathrow is such a mess
yes, saturday they were homeless
guys ? fps in ow u need as many as ur hz monitor ?
UNKOEEEEEE
@simple scarab yes
oh lol the callback from the Atlantic Showdown
Unkoe omg
Those sleeps were too good
ty
B1shop taking notes lol
So Rogue gets number 1 and Cyclowns is out
depends on how NIP vs eUnited
if NIP won a few maps though then they are through
otherwise....
Did Rogue -- ok
NIPS already has more map wins though
Than Cylcowns
lol sitting back down
lol AKM with the deadpan "really"
lol we are used to losing on 2CP now
AKM is so done
lol AKM doesn't want to eat healthy
looool
NIP just need to win one map
lol
What happens if NIPS loses all their maps?
They still have one more map win than Cyclowns
That's what I thought
So it's like
so if NIP were to 3-1 EU theyd actually get 2nd
TakeOver is run in like a big LAN house or smth to live up to that "esports taken home" slogan or smth
Is what I got
And everything is set up just the way it is to make it feel like home
Beyond the Summit right
I noticed their couch casting style, yeah
And the lo-fi music in the down time is a perfect cherry on top
yeah
fun fact: Beyond The Summit was applying for a LAN
we could have OW_Summit
but I guess the Contenders is good enough to tide things over
Fuck that would be nice
The Summit name would surely have been a huge boost
Wait now that I took a second look
Was the girl that was with Rogue for their first match up Lizlin herself?
yes
guys owguys ow is diyng?
moar esports
Lul
That's not Seagull's problem, that's Blizzard's problem. Most pros would stream during tournaments they're not playing in to get hours in. https://t.co/boSCu922eo
I mean fuck, if Blizz would just shill for these tourneys for a little bit in their Battlenet client
what
@rapid oxide Why dislike him?
Retzi FA now
Overrated, below average skill, his fans are annoying, leave the team 2 days before a tournament, use contenders just as a tool for more viewers, stream while a tournament is running ("i want to help ow esport" lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc3XNZWDc1E I mean respect for EeveeA but for every second of this video 100 healslut Mercy will be born
super secret image https://i.imgur.com/Z3usXTO.jpg
Why is there an Esports chat on a casual game?
don't take the bait
It like me adding Esports to Mark Kart discord
100 healslut Mercy, screaming they're doing something and they deserve rights like feminazi screeching men are trash
Why they renamed the tf2 discord? 
my fav game is mark kart
When I do end up playing mercy its annoying when my team demands rez.
and his brotherr louis
I main yogi in mark kart
Ill be 100% honest
I dont like it when pros stream during tournaments
I mean hes allowed to do what he wants he doesnt owe anything to the scene but it just seems like idk
i dont think its his fault at all but that's just my opinion
Its not even a Seagull thing I just generally think if youre a pro you shouldnt be trying to take viewers away from a major tournament
I don't think it's really his fault or his problem but I think it's disingenuous for him to say he supports the scene and then stream during one of the only big tournaments we've had this year
I remember watching enigma stream like a year ago (does he even stream anymore) and he got off like 10 minutes before some eu tournament and told everyone they should go watch it bc it would be exciting. I think if seagull actually cared about the scene growing he'd do shit like that
i guess but i dont think people should expect something like that from everyone
blame blizzard or the tournaments themselves for being less interesting to most viewers then someone solo qing or doing scrims
survivor ow back at it https://twitter.com/SurvivorOW/status/870419783531016192
Wow rude. At least we didn't get dropped. https://t.co/p5FVoJVxzB
seagull best gull
LFT!!!!! I'm benched so I'm able to explore options before Overwatch Contenders even though its very short noticed...
rip
interesting choice from IMT
Aythen is good on Ana but he seems underperforming with every other heroes
if it were me though Aythen is probably not the first one to get benched
I can't think of anybody in IMT underperforming below the rest of the team really
Like far as I can see everything they do is the result of team effort, in good and in bad
So... Lol?
dafuq just happened
Why would they bench my boy Aythen?
He's 12
12 1/2*
Kapppa
IFKR!!!
Don't laugh dude
Like what on this green earth
We should get our pitchforks and torches
Aythen is a small part of the IMT problem
That's where you're wrong Sulli
they had been in the Tier 2 purgatory for a long time now
Nrg ain't even tier 2 lul
Shut up Gankyou
Aythen is a solid Ana player but he underperformed in every other support
basically it is The's situation
where he is a solid Mercy
but not up to par with Ana or Zen

I mean I guess
IMT can and is capable to aim higher than the current NRG
REEEEEEEEE
So even if it's not Dummy-level they did what they need to do
idk, IMT is just having a lot of solid players but only Agilities seems to be destined to be a star player
While NRG is just
I think they need a solid overhaul
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
And bench Hyped? 
So Agilities - Retzi for offense?
I mean
bench Grim
Retzi can play Zarya - Hog
With Grim, Retzi and Agilities they can run both triple dps and a variety of 2/2/2 comps

probably not with Grim
there are a few good off tanks around
there's an off tank from MVP Space of all team that is LF NA team
I dont expect them to bench Grim
Even if I do agree his inconsistencies is part of their issues
they are treating him as the star player when he had been anything but
he had like a solid stretch of 4 months to prove that he is a shutdown NA DPS, but instead he get outclassed by literally everyone else.
obviously, that's not ideal.
Grim is not the only one who alternates between mad carrying and playing like a pleb though
Plus hes been on the team forever and there's not a lot of better available Na hitscans, we cant just assume Gecko players are available cuz rise dropped them rn
xRetzi is a FA
I'm surprised RNG hasn't dropped their roster
Coolmatt69 for Hyped, Grim for Buds, Custa for Aythen
Is Buds any good still?
Haven't seen him play in forever
or even Talespin
there are a lot of option
but seems like IMT is hesistant to break their young core
Talespin and Agilities kind of negate each other tho
after all, they did won NGE and OCS (even as shit as those twos are)
Talespin can probably slot in the flex/off tank slot
and allow them to run Genji/Pharah dive
of course this is me just spit balling
I dont think theyre gonna make the sweeping changes you think they arre
And that's the only move they're making
Hyped*?
Aythen
Back on Sodipop when the boys were Hype and Hyped
I think so not sure
do wonder who the IMT sub is though
maybe its Custa and they thought to upgrade
Oh wow ex rise actually made their new team name "Midnight sucks" lol
Phaz at it again smh
lul
Lurking Phaz's twitter
https://twitter.com/PhazOW/status/844301920235769857 ancient af but this guy's ok
what time does contenders start?

@jagged crater North American Open Qualifiers: Saturday, June 3rd and Sunday, June 4th โ Open Qualifier Matches now begin at 9:00 AM PDT.
I thought I read somewhere that the stream didnt start until much later like 8pm est or something
but i cant find it
depends what time zone you're in i guess
ok
stream only does Ro8 no?
From internal testing Blizzard already knows Roadhog can't combo most of the roster anymore, so that is intentional. They don't want him to be the squishy deleter anymore, but they're giving him an increased ROF, clip size, and smaller hitbox to help account for it, it's not a straight nerf. To me it looks like they're not trying to knock him down a peg like they had with Ana, but change his focus so he's not so frustrating to play against. The Great Hog Senpai also had a great bit on this yesterday
What smaller hitbox? Head? That doesn't change the fact that he's a walking piggy worth 900 HP to farm ults from
Barely have any effect on other heroes building ult using him
did anyone see when the deadline for contenders registration is?
i cant find it in the rules
or anywhere
The only difference now is that he can't consistently insta-delete and punish those who are careless enough when doing it
Also no, I have no idea when the deadline is
Team registration will close at 11:59 PM PDT on Friday, June 2nd for North America and 11:59 PM CEST (2:59 PM PDT) Friday, June 9th for Europe.
man that was hard to find
I wonder why its at 59
and not on the hour
Also @clever wagon Tracers relied quite heavily on roadhogs fat head to gain ult very very quickly, and with his new RoF and larger clip size he will have an easier time dealing with tracers trying to farm ult outside of his hook.
Ee well, idk
Not saying he still isnt an ult battery, its just harder now
I imagine the competent Tracers will still have the blink management skill to cope with that
If you want to hit the same headshots you did from medium range before, you would have to get close and risk dying to his very fast scrap gun
So now, if the Tracer is smart, they will stay the same distance away they always have
Hence gaining less ult charges because of less headshots
and hog has an easier time killing her
so Liquid Aurace is out?
interesting
w-what
one of the more left field acquisition i think
Just posted kvo
two different links?
that link is in the tweet linked
ah
hulk as TL coach!? oh gosh
i liked hulk from envy, upset he left
but i also like the TL guys so this is neat

IMT trying out Custa
what a surprise
HULK got fired because they lost APEX
Hulk was just a trial coach and I suppose they had him in Korea because he played 3 seasons of apex and could provide them with details about the playstyle of top teams
no clue
Guess not then
did you look him up?
what happened to IMT that they'd need to try out Custa
underperforming?
IMT had been underperforming for a team that was supposedly tier 1 for a long time
they benched aythen because they hate asians

btw
Team Liquid actually have my respect for investing in OW for so long
even when their team for the most part had been perennial bottom dweller
until recently
why go for these silly matches 
It was free
oh right then
It apparently only costs like 5 bucks to begin with
But work acquaintance gave em to me
I saw mvp space outside smoking
also, he can see rascal irl
Sojum understands me
And my man crush on rascal
If you hear someone yelling when they dick around after two wins
Youll know its me
lmao
Ill boo the casters for you guys
BRING BACK MONTECARLO
BEAUTIFUL TRACKING YOU JACKASSES
So how does the team selection thing work for final 8? What teams get first choice and who's getting stuck with kdp?
The top seed of each group pull a number between 1 - 4. They choose who they play against out of the second seed teams. 1 and 2 choose their team and group, 3 chooses their team, and 4 gets stuck with lucky last (who will more than likely be KDP) @glad chasm
@forest raven what does choose your group mean? Like 1-2 can choose where on the bracket to be placed?
Yep
Quarters has two groups of four
And number 3 can still choose which group they play in if 1 and 2 choose to go into groups A and B, respectively
So I'm guessing if LWB or LH get 1 whoever gets 2 chooses the opposite group, if nV gets 1 whoever gets 2 more than likely chooses to be in the same group as nV
Potentially
Whoever gets 1st pick would probably choose the winner of Space/CONBOX
Unless they want to flex their muscles and go for KDP lul
kek
Give us a Photo of backseats
i expected AOD to win that
Win series?
nahh
Or just KOTH
So if AOD wins 3-0
i think KDP will be way better on other types
I expected a bigger venue
KDP lose 2CP to Rogue
Its actually pretty small
Just so you guys im the ultimate negative totem
Whatever sporting event i participate
My team loses
So RIP KDP
FeelsBadMan
Why do they play koth as bo3s and not bo5s?
Time constraints
Ok ty
KDP can lose and go through to playoffs as long as they take a map
They won 3-1 vs Rogue and now dis?
Void hard carrying
AOD lets go champ
Smh
Void's D.va hard carried that round
He singlehandedly held on streets for like three minutes
???
AOD threw
oh gawd KDP just win this
needed a rein
So was i after 1st game
its not over yet
aod need 1 team wipe
omg hahaha
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they shouldn't fight here, AOD has re spawn advantage
VOID IS SO GOOD
how the hell is AOD making Panthera looks so pleb now
Crying again
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I hope AOD makes it back for next season. They're not bad
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at least one hour till C9 vs Misfits
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KDP looks really sloppy
play of the game by erster
is it just me or this game feels super slow
i am late to first match as always, what happened - AOD won on Lijang? how the heck
AOD also beat LH on Lijiang
THey're good on that map
And also Numbani was as close as Hollywood was
that's unexpected,but right,they did well there last time
at least that helped me to see some KDP action live
wow, Bird
Merrcy without Pharah? eww
pocketing genji is not a bad idea either imo
especially when that's one of the best genjis
not enough vertical mobility for mercy
I underestimated aod
KDP......
Their target focus is amazing
Rogue won against AOD, lost against Panthera, and now AOD is giving Panthera a run for their money
what is this
Just because A > B, and B > C, does not mean A > C @balmy wolf
@forest raven no shit
but AOD is performing better vs KDP
whereas they got smashed vs Rogue
does c9 game starts in 15 min? or just the stream
stream
i am gonna fall asleep before that sigh
RIP KDP
if aod wins now, rogue will seemingly place LAST in their group
not like it matters tournament-wise
KDP, perhaps not as strong as initially predicted
Dicking around to the max
it is so fun
I can't say it's dicking
I love to see Orisa+torb
didn't expect them to play them on this map
their first playoffs opponent shall be envy,right? that shall be interesting
depends on who get the draw
huh? i thought it's 1Av2D, 2Av1D etc
1st pick opponent
The top seed of each group pull a number between 1 - 4. They choose who they play against out of the second seed teams. 1 and 2 choose their team and group, 3 chooses their team, and 4 gets stuck with lucky last
and Ro8 is 2 group - double elimination.
They have a big ceremony for the stage 2 draws after stage 1 is over
And this season semis are bo7
Void saving everything today
Void has absolutely been MVP
i've always thought rascal play too risky. i don't like his play
daaamn
it's over
now full hold by AOD
TakeOver is live and is in preparation for Misfits v C9
he want to change winston
BlessRNG I USED TO BE AN ATHEIST BlessRNG BUT NOW I BELIEVE IN GODS BlessRNG
Mind you we haven't seen Misfits since PIT
Was it PIT? I forgot
never go full retard
I was just going by B1shop who said the latest info they have on Misfits is from 1-1.5 months ago
it was PIT
BlessRNG I USED TO BE AN ATHEIST BlessRNG BUT NOW I BELIEVE IN PHIL BlessRNG
Omg c9












