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rapid oxide
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then you are forever in

ripe marlin
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how many teams have bought in

rapid oxide
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while on LCS you have to buy it yearly

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2 as far as we know

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but we don't know

ripe marlin
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and how long have they been pushing and advertising the spots quietly

rapid oxide
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not even the "esport journalist" know

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why they should?

balmy wolf
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LCS is going to franchised soon though

rapid oxide
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target is for big investors

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not teenagers on reddit

balmy wolf
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and their asking price is barely 1.5 mils

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and they are established

ripe marlin
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i mean we know so little about the league the only thing we can say and argue about is that 2 ppl have bought in

rapid oxide
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you have too much faith on riot lol

ripe marlin
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riot still bring in numbers

rapid oxide
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no one knows

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investors and endemic org knows

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but can't tell you

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obviously

ripe marlin
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exaclty no one so 5 mill might be too much at the moment for lots of ppl for what they see on paper

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including inv

rapid oxide
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price can go down

ripe marlin
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big ones i mean

rapid oxide
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and it's going down

ripe marlin
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yeah it will and is

rapid oxide
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Blizzard isn't retarded

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have lots of talented ppl

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dont forget that

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same goes for their finance/economy ppl

ripe marlin
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nope they are good they just need to make sure that they can sellout these arenas regularily

balmy wolf
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"Starcraft 2 esports"

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"HOTS esports"

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I'm not very keen on Blizzard's attmp at esport, if you see what i mean

rapid oxide
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lol

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sc2 dead because of moba

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hots can't compete with lol and dota

ripe marlin
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i mean as an example dota came to my city last month just 4 teams and sold out in 7 mins 12000 people i want ow to do the same

rapid oxide
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hots never had the chance to compete against lol and dota

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and sc2 is too hard to pick compared to mobas

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reason of why it died

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same reason of why fps arena died

limber pine
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HotS isn't doing terrible

rapid oxide
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because they are hard to pick

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true sprite

limber pine
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it just really pales in comparision to dota and lol

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obviously

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as most esports do

rapid oxide
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its doing better than smite

limber pine
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lul smite

rapid oxide
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๐Ÿ˜ƒ

limber pine
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HGC is running in 3 regions now

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and doing fairly well for itself

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Blizzard plays the long con

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I suspect OW will be the same way. I doubt early hiccups will deter them much

supple nymph
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๐Ÿฟ

toxic yacht
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๐Ÿฟ

gentle shuttle
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there's a key word missing from that tweet

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and it's "why"

toxic yacht
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lol

floral harness
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Is it me or we still don't have the schedule for TO2 ?

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It begins tomorrow right ?

supple nymph
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no schedule but the stream starts at 2 pm CEST

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should give local time

floral harness
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The communication is horrible for a 50k lan like this

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thanks

supple nymph
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i understand rivalcade was just shit but yea it's weird since they already know which teams are playing

toxic yacht
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we don't even know the groups yet

supple nymph
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just make up the bracket?

toxic yacht
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it's starting in less than 24 hours

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we don't know the format

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we know nothing

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lol

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no schedule, no nothing

vestal mortar
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Oh noey

supple nymph
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do we know anything about the contenders stream

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it's also this weekend right

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sat/sun at 8pm edt

vocal yoke
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1 QF, 2 SF and Final will be streamed

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they will also record games from Ro8(?) and beyond to use later

supple nymph
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oh cool

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did seagull's team or nrg sign up?

vocal yoke
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as of now nrg didn't sign up, I'm not sure about Seagull's team because no one knows what they are called

pseudo sail
supple nymph
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if they dont sign up doesnt that mean they cant get in season 1?

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since they dont have a special invite

deep abyss
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I live under a rock, when is this TakeOver2 thingy

supple nymph
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tomorrow 2pm cest

deep abyss
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pubstomp thx

limber pine
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oh i have it listed as 12

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oops

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i'll pretend I added a "1" in there

rapid oxide
supple nymph
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๐ŸŒ

rapid oxide
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NEW PTR. Deadeye buffed

clever wagon
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Holy fuck those McCree Deadeye changes

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LUL THOSE ROADHOG CHANGES

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I'M CRYIN

supple nymph
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The Reaping (Passive)
Removed health orbs
Now regains 20% of all damage done to heroes as health

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.

gentle shuttle
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yooo

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is the PTR live???

pine star
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What the fuck is going on?!!

deep abyss
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Sill no Rein Fix

toxic yacht
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you know

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all teams are so good

pine star
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Holy shit Reaper is now a vampire

toxic yacht
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that any group would be a group of death

pine star
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...NEW 2CP MAP

toxic yacht
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c9 is fucked

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lol

pine star
toxic yacht
pine star
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lul

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rip

floral harness
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wtf Reaper

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Or should I say fucking dracula

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wtf

toxic yacht
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guys

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literally the first match is hype af

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I've been waiting for this shit since september

gentle shuttle
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yo

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does piggys DPS nerf mean that hook combo is no longer a OHKO

balmy wolf
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usually when you hook you hit some headshots

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if you hit every headshot somehow it would be 300 damage

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its 150 damage now

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down from 225

gentle shuttle
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praise be ๐Ÿ™

toxic yacht
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...

balmy wolf
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i dont feel like there was reason it nerf him so much but whatever

pine star
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No Tracer nerfs pixelThenkSmug

solid spear
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they nerfed the crap out of Hog man

pine star
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Wait

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TakeOver is at 7am for me Thangery

deep abyss
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The game is balanced around tracer, of course they dont nerf her

solid spear
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balancing the game around the best character fire

craggy monolith
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Why would they nerf tracer though?

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xd

floral harness
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map is still shit to

balmy wolf
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This map looks more promising than other 2cp maps

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because there's no choke teams have to get through

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like every other 2cp map

floral harness
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Increasing the size of the map doesn't solve the problems of the 2 cp. Point A is undefendable and B is similar to hanamura

balmy wolf
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there are plenty of routes

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The only thing I can see thats really bad is Point B defenders spawn is really really close to the point

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like closer than hanamura

floral harness
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and the space part is quite useless

rapid oxide
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Still no Sombra buff FeelsOHGOD

balmy wolf
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She was buffed a while ago

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and she's fine now

rapid oxide
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Sssh she's not

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;D

solid spear
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Hog

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U_U

rapid oxide
solid spear
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McCree

rapid oxide
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๐Ÿฟ

toxic yacht
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@balmy wolf

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๐Ÿ‘€

balmy wolf
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?

toxic yacht
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TSM

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๐Ÿ‘€

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wait, you're not Vace

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hek

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you probably aren't into TSM spice

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sorry

pine star
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Confusing Polo and Vake

toxic yacht
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didn't mistake them

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I forgot that polo wasn't really into TSM Drama though

pine star
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Oh shit

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Thorin TSM drama

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Naisu

rapid oxide
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I'm offended Sojum, don't call me Polo anymore please

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;p

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im kidding

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lmao that spiderman hoodie Keeek

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holy fuck

pine star
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Only true 90s kids trialed for TSM

limber pine
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@rapid oxide banned for spam

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feelsbad

rapid oxide
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:p

limber pine
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๐Ÿ™

rapid oxide
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posted all the TSM OW trial

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it's huge

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Tain Tank: Milo (NRG - NA) Skipjack (Rogue/Misfits - Germany) Dcop (Spicy Bois - Mexico) Twidi (Splyce - Sweden) Awesomeguy (LW Red - Korea) iRemiix (Splyce โ€“ Puerto Rico) Ryb (C9 โ€“ Sweden)

vestal mortar
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Oh snap ๐Ÿฟ

limber pine
balmy wolf
rapid oxide
tired escarp
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LMAO

rapid oxide
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New ptr is unoptimized af. 8gb ram usage Angery

balmy wolf
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Its the new map

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It has a memory leak

rapid oxide
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No, i was on low gravity on anubis

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And happened on training too

balmy wolf
rapid oxide
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Gosh darn hammond pogchimp

toxic yacht
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well, looks like ther entirety of OW has a memory leak then

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I wonder what they fucked up

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mfw takeover details were revealed but no one cares because patch

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really good timing there, lul

cunning pond
toxic yacht
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also, is TakeOver gonna be on the tournament realm?

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because new patch

rapid oxide
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No lol @cunning pond

balmy wolf
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Doubt it

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I would hope so though

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I dont want to see Snizzle on neutered hog

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that would suck

toxic yacht
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also, if they don't fix the memory leak until tomorrow

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it's going to be literally unplayeble

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lol

rapid oxide
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Dude, its on ptr

toxic yacht
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so blizzard approves a 50k tournament but decides to roll out a patch in the same week for no reason even though they could have waited

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oh

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PTR

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I'm so dumb

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lol

rapid oxide
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lmao

balmy wolf
toxic yacht
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anyway, good job killing all of the hype for your reveal ๐Ÿ‘

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lol

rapid oxide
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New hero is inside

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100%

toxic yacht
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why even waste so much time and reveal everything less than 24 hours before the tournament?

balmy wolf
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Im not even hyped for this map really

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only for the lore

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the actual map

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meh

rapid oxide
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Same

balmy wolf
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2cp

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yay

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whatever

rapid oxide
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Ill be more hyped for spectator new features

solid spear
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I mean next patch

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is their a reason not to run D.Va every game

rapid oxide
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Which one?

toxic yacht
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I dunno, last I checked EU teams were running a decent amount of zarya

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dva dominance seems to be more of an NA-KR thing

digital pond
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There isn't

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Hogv Reaper match up will be awkward again

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Zarya bubbles blow up to reaper

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Dva presses one button and laughs

toxic yacht
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you can bubble reaper

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when he death blossoms

digital pond
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Well yeah or you can matrix him

tired escarp
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KR stratz

toxic yacht
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I wouldn't want to put dva into a position where you'd get a decent blossom tbh

digital pond
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Or you just play dva cause the other team has a dva for his death blossom

tired escarp
digital pond
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Considering he heals for 20% of the damage he does

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Death blossom is like a full perma heal lol

toxic yacht
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matrixing reaper during deathblossom is also much more fucky than just bubbling him

digital pond
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Unless he's being DM

tired escarp
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just nade him

digital pond
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20% is a lot to heal

tired escarp
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dva and bubble would be hella nice

toxic yacht
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dva and zarya share a spot

digital pond
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I expect a lot more Dva if that patch goes live

toxic yacht
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normally

digital pond
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^

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Zarya might get played a bit but that will be HEAVILY map dependant

tired escarp
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like what map

digital pond
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Dva will still see more action

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Zarya is fine on most Koth on 1 or 2 maps

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King's Row

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Street and last phase numbani

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Last phase Route 66 and dorado

solid spear
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I mean Hog was really only getting play in triple tank anyway

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Id just play D.Va instead

digital pond
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She's crap on first point for almost all payloads minus KR

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And she's not great on point A of most Assault maps

tired escarp
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sometimes i think dva's damage is insane

solid spear
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also if Reaper actually gets more play could even see D.Va replace Winston a lil as a main tank

digital pond
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The big issue she has is the lack of high ground control

solid spear
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D.Vas damage is actually pretty meh

digital pond
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Which Dva has a lot of

solid spear
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DM is just retarded

toxic yacht
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DM is up for 4 seconds with a long ass cooldown

digital pond
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I really don't think even with reaper winston w=ill get insta replaced tbh

toxic yacht
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not enough uptime to be a main tank

digital pond
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Dva x Winston was already hella popular of a combo

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As well as Dva x Rein

solid spear
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I dont think he really will either

tired escarp
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Dva and reaper coming back
winston out of meta HYPERLUL

toxic yacht
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she's basically a 600hp ult battery without DM

digital pond
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It'll just be the same

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With a touch of Zarya in places

solid spear
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but youll probably see her in triple tank more with Hog being kinda bleh now

digital pond
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And the casual Hog on Illios

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Well map

solid spear
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shell definitely rise overall

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triple tank as a whole is just weaker since Hog was essentially the second dps and his burst damage gotnuked

rapid oxide
toxic yacht
tired escarp
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im surprised they didn't decrease orisa's head hitbox

toxic yacht
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instead they made roadhog's heat literally unhittable

tired escarp
balmy wolf
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wheres that from vace

tired escarp
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^

pine star
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Vake*

toxic yacht
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VakeOfficial

pine star
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Vaked

toxic yacht
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that's how uber called him

rapid oxide
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@balmy wolf repost from reddit and im not on pc right now

toxic yacht
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"VakeOfficial"

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"Vakeh"

pine star
rapid oxide
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So cant check if it's on blizzard launcher rn

toxic yacht
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I checked, not there with me

tired escarp
balmy wolf
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it isnt on the launcher lol

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obviously not

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So Im wondering where its from

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like whats the reddit post

toxic yacht
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link to the post from where you got it?

tired escarp
toxic yacht
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@balmy wolf according to the original post he's seeing it in launcher

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just some rando

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maybe they only gave a select amount of people the option?

balmy wolf
limber pine
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select special

balmy wolf
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is this guy dumb

toxic yacht
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I mean, the guy who posted it doesn't look like someone special

rapid oxide
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HOTS have Tournament realm too

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Maybe it appear at people signed via OC?

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Since you sign in with a Battlenet ID

toxic yacht
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OC?

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wot

balmy wolf
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Contenders

rapid oxide
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Contenders

toxic yacht
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ah

rapid oxide
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Gonna ask op

toxic yacht
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could be

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that actually makes sense

tired escarp
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ahh

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anyone here participating in OC?

toxic yacht
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๐Ÿ‘€ on the bear

balmy wolf
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nope

limber pine
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nope

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I'm only plat

supple nymph
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hey chat your plat

tired escarp
supple nymph
balmy wolf
limber pine
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REEEEE

supple nymph
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oh

toxic yacht
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reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepost

supple nymph
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REEEE

tired escarp
rapid oxide
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What a scummy org

balmy wolf
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Im thinking the guy who posted the screenshot might have just taken the region menu from hots and put it over the ow one

rapid oxide
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"we have an overwatch league spot, blizzard want us" Keeek

toxic yacht
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could be

balmy wolf
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that could also explain why its so low quality and low res

toxic yacht
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yee

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just some dude trying to fucc with us

tired escarp
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Jebaited

balmy wolf
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like

tired escarp
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nice bait lmao

limber pine
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I also can't find his crosspost

balmy wolf
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it was removed

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someone else crossposted it

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before him

limber pine
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I can't find any crosspost

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oh nvmd

toxic yacht
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he posted it on r/ow

limber pine
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am dumb

toxic yacht
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and some other chickenman posted it on the comp sub

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the guy claims that it appeared the moment he started downloading PTR

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but I'm pretty confident in the fact that such a change wouldn't happen to the launcher without a launcher restart

balmy wolf
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i restarted the launcher and have already downloaded PTR

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He's baiting us

tired escarp
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LMAO

toxic yacht
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yup

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I'm still holding my downvot horses

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but I'm 90% sure that it's bait

balmy wolf
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now we wait

toxic yacht
balmy wolf
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hmm

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gone now hmmmm

tired escarp
toxic yacht
tired escarp
toxic yacht
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and it's mysteriously gone now after you tried to bait him

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screenshot also looks like shit all of the sudden

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also, no imgur account

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okay, I'm done holding back my downvote horses

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@balmy wolf it's 100% fake

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look at the dot

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and the selected region

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there is a dot next to PTR, but the selected region is Americas

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also, "test realm"

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instead of region

balmy wolf
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nice catch

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call him out

toxic yacht
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working on it

rapid oxide
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Don't fuck with Aussies

balmy wolf
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wat

toxic yacht
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Aussies
๐Ÿ‘บ

rapid oxide
balmy wolf
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I guess your country's name does start with Aus

toxic yacht
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it's actually a mistake that a ton of people make

balmy wolf
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ive always known they were called equestrians

rapid oxide
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Post got deleted? Can't see it

toxic yacht
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yup, lul

tired escarp
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LMAO taimou making fun of mercy mains

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he's strimming btw

toxic yacht
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@limber pine did you delete the post?

supple nymph
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erased from existence

limber pine
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Yes, but I'm considering re approving it

toxic yacht
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I'd like to get karma for my 1337 detective skillz, so I wouldn't mind it getting re-apporved a bit before you delete it again ๐Ÿ‘€

balmy wolf
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Its fake though sad

limber pine
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Fake or bug?

toxic yacht
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Fake

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his explanation for the screenshot quality was wonky af, and then I noticed this

limber pine
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B8ed

supple nymph
toxic yacht
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lol

balmy wolf
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anyone look at the new 2CP map yet?

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instead of another payload it is 2CP

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yeah

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no chokes like the others

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but its still 2cp

limber pine
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Sorry I deprived you of justice karma

toxic yacht
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hek

balmy wolf
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Chokes I don't think are issue with 2CP, except maybe Hamamura A

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the issue is still the spawns and the snowball

toxic yacht
balmy wolf
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kek

limber pine
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Ppl so quick to post and ask questions later

balmy wolf
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reddit, where truth is dictates by how many upvotes you have and questions are just optional

limber pine
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Pretty much

rapid oxide
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Imagine if the guy hes right and we are bullying him and he will later kill himself HYPERTHINK

toxic yacht
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vace pls

balmy wolf
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"Hey, it's Jenkins. Doctor Jenkins."

vestal mortar
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๐Ÿ‘€ Vace pls

balmy wolf
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funny I noted how IDDQD is just an asshole and Custa refused to play with him

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and then all I have is showered of fanboys downvoted

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maybe because idd isnt an asshole?

supple nymph
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where

balmy wolf
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@balmy wolf he is.

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i mean thats your opinion

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@supple nymph the thread where Custa announced that ex Fnatic is no more.

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clearly a lot of people disagree if youre getting downvoted

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no, @balmy wolf, it is not my opinion if a. I have someone who is close to the old Fnatic squad telling me these things and b. there are at least one pro/former pro who corrobate on these things

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Pro teams don't bench people willy nilly

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i dont think you know what an opinion is friend

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you had someone tell them their opinion, and now thats your opinion

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you can base your opinion on facts

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but your opinion is an opinion

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in MY opinion, hes not an asshole at all

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nah, it is not an opinion. There are facts that indicates that IDDQD was an asshole to his team and as Minstrel puts it, "a ticking time bomb" in NRG

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and stream personality does not equal real teammates to teammates personality

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ive always seen you talk about this but never actually seen any source

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Always just your inside info about people close to fnatic and other pros talking privately to you about it

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because nobody is dumb enough to reveal the sources

vestal mortar
balmy wolf
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and with how people been screencap things around

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again, "operating under the assumption that you can get screenshot"

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it is not particularly safe to go beyond just that

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Yeah so dont go around spouting all this shit like its fact when you have nothing to prove it is

vestal mortar
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Well please don't spread yours and your "sources" opinions like facts, people should decide for themselves.

balmy wolf
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it is not opinion if it is someone close enough to the ex Fnatic squad

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lolz

vestal mortar
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If people watch IDD's streams and they like him, that's fine, that's up to them.

balmy wolf
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stream personality is not real personality though

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we are talking about someone who skipped scrim and practice to go on WoW here

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and of course other shits as well

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But I guess people will have to let time tell them then

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Overwatch Contenders

Introducing Overwatch Contenders - the development league for aspiring Overwatch League professionals, kicking off in summer 2017 in North America and Europe. Season Zero of Overwatch Contenders will be an open signup, online-only tournament with a USD $50,000 prize pool per region.

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Monte/Doa/ZP/Hex/Jamerson casting with Left Guy hosting

supple nymph
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#goodcasters

wintry matrix
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See this from our side, we have no way of confirming your sources (and i can't stress enough how backstabby OW scene is)

balmy wolf
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reasonable. My source is attached uniquely to old Fnatic in a way that even just a hint can get reddit detective to root him/her out

supple nymph
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he's in all the secret discords that's good enough for me

balmy wolf
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more like "publicly open but no one bother to lurks"

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so many things on the behind the scene of OW can be access/known if you just lurk in the right discord

supple nymph
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more like "publicly open but not banned from" FeelsTiltedMan

wintry matrix
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legit interesting stuff or just player drama?

balmy wolf
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stuff like "here's the amount of buyout of IDDQD and Harbleu"

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@supple nymph gotta stop spamming commands like a mong, man

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๐Ÿ˜›

supple nymph
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?????

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@balmy wolf what you can see that

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explain

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oh I see what you mean

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I was spamming commands on another discord when you said that

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so confused

balmy wolf
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back to Denver, eh

rapid oxide
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No Soe as host pepoThump

balmy wolf
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time for DOA and Monte to commentate on the shit OW that is NA HYPERLUL

rapid oxide
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About the IDDQD thing "you dont post source so your news is fake" so is the stuff about OWL bid price

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If source is anon, that doesn't mean 100% of the news is fake

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And its obvious the reason of why source want to stay anon

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Or Reign don't want to let it public

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Can't wait to see my boy Monte shit on NA team HYPERLUL

balmy wolf
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people generally have a harder time trusting a source on a chatroom, especially about certain OW personalities that might have a good fanbase

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IDDQD is one of those personality

rapid oxide
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Try to shit talk Seagull

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As Ajax said, fans are blind and whiteknight

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More fans, more whiteknight

wintry matrix
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I know Monte is professional and stuff, but now i can't shake the feeling that every NA cast done by him will be super annoying and boring

balmy wolf
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I remember I pointed out that personally I didn't want Seagull to be in the Team USA because of his lackluster approach to it last time and his streaming

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and people were downvoted me to hell

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and then later Seagull was like "nah i'm not playing in Team USA if people are going full try hard"

rapid oxide
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I want Uber JKap duo pepoThump

balmy wolf
rapid oxide
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Because fans are blind

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Me included, everyone tho

toxic yacht
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Soe can do no wrong

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You're safe

rapid oxide
balmy wolf
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i don't have a team or a streamer to fanboy about

#

so lol

rapid oxide
#

Team yes, streamers... Not. Really

digital pond
#

I like how

#

South africa is highlighted

#

In the OWC listing

limber pine
#

NRG is such a meme now

pine star
#

Harb feelsbad

jagged crater
#

when is season 0?

digital pond
#

This week-end

#

2-3rd

#

Are days listed for the start on the website

balmy wolf
#

Yet another NA online with amateur teams or hype as fuck EU LAN with top EU teams

#

hmmm

#

which to watch

dusty surge
#

Both on two monitors

balmy wolf
#

Contenders would just dilute my enjoyment of Takeover

dusty surge
#

That's starting up already?

#

Seems pretty quick, or I'm really losing my grip on how fast time is passing.

balmy wolf
#

Yeah

#

1st-4th

#

NiP vs Cyclowns in 11h

#

Hype

clever wagon
#

So all these teams are flying over to whereever TakeOver 2 is going to be held amirite

balmy wolf
#

yeah

#

Germany

tired escarp
#

yikes!

celest nova
#

Is NIP still good?

balmy wolf
#

We haven't seen them for months

#

So who knows

#

they looked decent in PIT

celest nova
#

Well the Tviq vs Surefour matchup will be exciting

forest raven
#

Feel like Misfits will be able to handily put down C9 tbh

balmy wolf
#

Misfits plays best when they have time to prepare

#

I'm confident in my boy Tviq

celest nova
#

I was confident about C9 doing pretty well until I started looking at the group their in

solid spear
#

Eh they were going to have some trouble regardless, like if you replace Eunited or Rogue with any of those teams the groups still insane

forest raven
#

Most likely gonna be Misfits and Movistar going to stage 2 from group B

clever wagon
#

When is TakeOver again

forest raven
#

Just over 10 hours, I think

clever wagon
#

It's not in the Matchticker

#

Smh

solid spear
#

Man Ill have to enjoy some god Hogs at Takeover

#

Wont be seeing him for a while

balmy wolf
#

Getting to see Snizzle on LAN before Roadhog gets put 6 feet under

#

interesting

#

Gods gave a different account of the Ajax situation and then someone called him out on it

#

and also

#

"Gods sent the tweet to Derrick to get Ajax cut so that Pookz could be trialed for the spot"

supple nymph
#

@balmy wolf

#

i know you like these

balmy wolf
#

Not with YIKES

supple nymph
#

...

#

why not yikes? you're into virtually every team

balmy wolf
#

Not all of them

supple nymph
#

gl on your contenders teams

#

just read the thread

mint merlin
#

YALL THINK CLOUD

#

9 is cool

#

?

celest nova
#

ye man

clever wagon
#

Wait

exotic cypress
#

๐Ÿค”

clever wagon
balmy wolf
#

@supple nymph cool

#

thanks

supple nymph
#

if you make it big i hope you keep circlejerking here

balmy wolf
#

we'll see

forest raven
#

ConnorJ

#

Lets go

supple nymph
#

close enough....

balmy wolf
#

what's up with ConnorJ's hand injury news then?

#

that was just weeks ago

solid spear
#

ConnorJ naisu

balmy wolf
#

i didnt know he had a hand injury

solid spear
#

yeah he has

balmy wolf
#

that's what Ajax "said" the other day.

solid spear
#

I thought thats why he wasnt gonna be with Kungarna

tired escarp
#

so many meme teams in OC

solid spear
#

but I guess everyones coming out of hiding for contenders

balmy wolf
#

Babybay said on stream that Kungarna wasn't going to reform with the old squad

#

so expecting B1am, Ajax and ConnorJ to reformed with Kungarna is silly

#

especially when even their former coach thought that their team internally was a mess

#

if you think the split between Splyce/Ghost Gaming and TSM resulted in no bad blood or animosity

#

I have a bridge to sell you

rapid oxide
#

No change for season 5... Im mad

balmy wolf
#

season is ok - Blizzard

#

spectator is ok - Blizzard

#

we need more Assault map - Blizzard

#

Im not sure why anyone expected changes

clever wagon
#

Kill Roadhog and buff Reaper while we're at it - Blizzard

rapid oxide
#

We need more skin - Blizzard

clever wagon
#

Like, this is what I don't get with Blizzard's method of balancing

#

It's like when you're adjusting the volume to an audio, you turn it up to 100% or down to 0% and then readjust little by little instead of just doing exactly that from the beginning

#

And even then Blizz has proven that they've stopped doing the latter part for their nerf/buff patches (I refuse to call it balancing for above reasons) recently

#

After the patch where they readjusted Ana's nade damage

solid spear
#

Hog didn't even need balancing lol

#

Which makes it worse

clever wagon
#

Exactly

#

He has lower pick rate than in triple tank meta

#

And that was also because triple tank patch was dumb as all hell

#

Like in this patch you'll see all tanks being picked for a decent amount

#

With the exception of Orisa

balmy wolf
#

mind you, they have data for like the rest of the playerbase

#

and they want to balance for the plebs

solid spear
#

I mean hes been D the last few weeks no? And pretty much never seen outside of tank comps

balmy wolf
#

yeah

#

but Blizzard does not balance based on pros

sturdy stratus
#

Who roadhog cannot 1 shot in the PTR

solid spear
#

I mean wolf is kinda right cuz Im sure there's been plenty of whiners on forums

balmy wolf
#

so unless you have pro players pm Blizzard on the O.W about the feedback soon enough

#

these things will continues

clever wagon
#

That's what I said in another chat

solid spear
#

And its not like pro players are complain about hog being removed from the game LULcio

clever wagon
#

Blizz nerfs/buffs depending on the silver and below screeches widowlol

solid spear
#

The Reaper stuff is fine though

clever wagon
#

Wants OWL
balances the game for casuals
thenkeng

solid spear
#

Unfortunately D.Va still exists so

#

Yeah reaper won't be that good

balmy wolf
#

Beyblade might make a return as funny as that souns

solid spear
#

But

#

Right click

wary falcon
#

Why they changed roadhog

balmy wolf
#

because plebs don't know what positioning is

clever wagon
#

When, no, if you got OWL going, casual games really shouldn't impact the meta

#

Fuck that

solid spear
#

They wont nerf D.Va again though because the poor forum posters will cry even more

balmy wolf
#

they need to nerf Pharmercy

#

which they wont

#

because of reasons

clever wagon
#

I don't get how "let's turn up these heroes and turn down the others even though they by no means are OP or are part of any problem" is balancing

solid spear
#

I mean the McCree and Reaper stuff is like ok whatever but Hog is WaitWhat

clever wagon
#

They're fine for the most part

wary falcon
#

Pharah is ok, they need to nerf Mercy

clever wagon
#

They more or less deserves it

#

Not Hog

#

That is uncalled for

wary falcon
#

Perphaps new Deadeye will decrease Pharmercy strength

clever wagon
#

Don't think so

#

But... Maybe

#

Then again no, not so much

solid spear
#

Right click gremlindva

clever wagon
#

Because McCree effectivity will only spike when he has his ult

wary falcon
#

But he has low charge ult

#

and Pharah forced to play around it

solid spear
#

That's true

#

Still think 76 is just better overall

clever wagon
#

Can confirm

solid spear
#

Especially in a dive centric meta

balmy wolf
#

running dive + pharmercy fucked mccree though

clever wagon
#

I finally played a decent amount of S76 compared to my McCree hours and I'll say S76 is just better

solid spear
#

McCree is just so trash against dive

wary falcon
#

I can't press RMB and one-shot squishy as hog now?

solid spear
#

That's the problem

clever wagon
#

Because the problem is it's easy for Pharmercy to just play out of McCree's fairly lethal range

#

With S76 at least you can give them constant pressure basically every time PharMercy pop their heads

solid spear
#

Oh yeah I forgot McCree does 3 damage to Pharah outside 1m

balmy wolf
#

Mccree too hard for plebs monkaS

clever wagon
#

Hog has 33% dmg per pellet reduction, his M1 can't even consistently kill 200 HP heroes and you're expecting his M2 to still do that

solid spear
#

He still combos like 4 heroes calm down

toxic yacht
#

eh, pharmercy requires the Pharah to play more aggressively. If you're hiding and poking outside of McCree's effective range you could as well just run solo Pharah

wary falcon
#

no way i will get into top-500 next season

#

gege

clever wagon
#

If Pharmercy plays more aggressively you'd still have to double hitscan them most of the time anyway

toxic yacht
#

The whole point of the combo is how brainless pharah can be positioning wise

clever wagon
#

In which McCree still has the problem of much lower fire rate to give as much constant pressure as S76 is capable of

toxic yacht
#

Remember what happened when Mangachu tried to run pharmercy into aKm?

#

It didn't go well

#

At all

clever wagon
#

Alright

#

I guess I was speaking too anecdotally based on my filthy shit platinum ass

toxic yacht
#

Playing outside of Cree's range while ducking behind cover and poking kinda nullifies the point of pharmercy

#

But yeah, 76 is just flat out better in and vs triple tank/dives

rapid oxide
#

But you said Blizz should balance around pros FeelsThinkingMan

balmy wolf
#

what match was that?

#

RNG vs Rogue?

toxic yacht
#

RNG vs Rogue, OMM February

clever wagon
#

What part of
I guess I was speaking too anecdotally based on my filthy shit platinum ass did you not understand

#

Also I barely remember seeing that many occasions involving McCree vs Pharmercy

toxic yacht
#

That's because NA doesn't know that McCree exists :(

balmy wolf
#

it is largely region based

#

in KR Genjis are more popular

#

which means good Mccree is requires

#

meanwhile in NA people like to tank

#

which means that good 76 is better

solid spear
#

I mean even Korea hasnt been using McCree much lately and EU even less then NA

balmy wolf
#

that's because Genji is shit with all these diving

solid spear
#

Can we say Genji is shit when Genji is consistently one of the 7-8 most used heros in the game

#

With a very healthy pick rate

balmy wolf
#

only in KR

#

Genji is only used here and there

solid spear
#

Im talking overall

balmy wolf
#

and mostly in team that have Genji specialist.

#

overall....eh

wary falcon
#

Genji mains everywhere

balmy wolf
#

i still blame Seagull for that

#

Sea "i'm just an underperforming proj DPS" Gull

wary falcon
#

Genji is just a cool looking guy he kills enemies and doesnt afraid of anything

gentle shuttle
#

doesn't afraid - best fraid!

rapid oxide
#

I love you Reign

#

*gLUL FTFY

clever wagon
#

GODS liked my reply to his tweet kyaaaan~

rapid oxide
tired escarp
balmy wolf
#

Watching Thoorin's vid

#

and this is the list of TSM tryout

#

fucking hell

#

you could make a couple of super teams out of that

#

Skipjack/Kryw/Selly/Grego/ConnorJ/B1am

rapid oxide
#

It's TSM we are talking about

balmy wolf
#

ikr

#

this Derrick Truong guy is amazing, i tell you

#

i thought i was being so hyper responsive with discord on my fucking phone

#

but this guy sounds like he just sleeping on the job half of the time

toxic yacht
#

I didn't watch the entirety of rivalcade yet because hek timezones. Am watching the remaining matches now and this happened, lul

clever wagon
#

AuTSM

knotty onyx
#

Hey what's a really good match that you guys would recommend watching? I started two days ago lol

balmy wolf
#

Rogue vs Envyus

#

Atlantic Showdown

toxic yacht
#

eUnited vs Rogue in 2 hours is probably gonna be good

balmy wolf
#

<= have been awake all night

#

god, my eyes are going to hate me after this

#

1st match is NiP vs Cyclowns btw

#

not eU vs Rogue

forest raven
#

EnVyUS vs. Rogue in APEX Season 1 / Selfless vs. Rogue in Overwatch Monthly Melee April / Misfits vs. EnVyUS in the Overwatch Open / Lunatic-Hai vs. RunAway in APEX Season 3 Grand Finals

#

@knotty onyx ^

knotty onyx
#

Oh sweet lol, I appreciate that

forest raven
#

np fam

balmy wolf
#

no link to the Atlantic Showdown match

#

@forest raven plz

toxic yacht
forest raven
#

You can link that yourself it's not hard

knotty onyx
#

Is Ana that good?

balmy wolf
#

Another great match is the finals of Takeover 1

#

Rogue vs Creation

#

Rogue vs Envyus Atlantic Showdown

#

in OW there are certain rivalries that had produced fireworks

#

Rogue vs Envyus, Rogue vs Selfless for example

toxic yacht
#

mfw no rogue vs reunited

balmy wolf
#

reu r gay

toxic yacht
#

no u

forest raven
#

eU

#

More like

#

Ew

#

Gottem

balmy wolf
#

tfw you watched enough OW to remember a time when skins were allowed

forest raven
#

I wish I was around for that

toxic yacht
#

just go rewatch the APAC finals over and over

balmy wolf
#

tfw you watched enough OW to remember a time when 3 widows were allowed

#

Hero stacking is a part of OW design - Blizzard

toxic yacht
vestal mortar
#

good times

wary falcon
#

eUnited vs Rogue in 2 hours is probably gonna be good

#

2 hours?

toxic yacht
wary falcon
#

oh shi

toxic yacht
#

yesterday they said that it was gonna be the first match

balmy wolf
#

should've gone to the website

toxic yacht
#

the schedule was only added to gosu like, 2 hours ago

#

fuck

balmy wolf
#

NIP vs Cyclowns

#

lol

vestal mortar
#

Jaysus

toxic yacht
#

wrong place

balmy wolf
#

the fuck

toxic yacht
#

sorry

wary falcon
#

i saw smth

balmy wolf
#

it was his penis

vestal mortar
#

Sojum ๐Ÿ‘€

toxic yacht
#

it was the mercy pasta

#

oops

#

wasn't meant for this place

wary falcon
#

i don't mind to see it one more time

vestal mortar
#

Never again

wary falcon
#

Rogue hype train again?

balmy wolf
#

I just want Misfits and NIP to have good finish

toxic yacht
#

Not gonna get hyped for Rogue

#

If they even get to the grand finals they aren't winning this

wary falcon
#

Why?

#

Perphaps they dismoraled after Apex

#

But that's it

#

they strongest here and it seems like free money for me

toxic yacht
#

mostly because they kinda didn't improve in NA. Then there's the fact that the teams that made them this good in the first place, EU teams, have been scrimming each other nad improving since they stagnated and picked up some bad habits

#

but yeah, I'm not betting or anything

#

so I don't really need to consider what seems safe

balmy wolf
#

i was watching earlier Rogue match

#

like during the first month that they play in NA

#

they were much cleaner

wary falcon
#

they strongest here and it seems like free money for me

I had same thoughts before Rogue - KDP

balmy wolf
#

I don't know what's up with Rogue. They had cleaner engage, better ult management, and overall looked more solid

toxic yacht
#

I feel like they just stopped caring

balmy wolf
#

did two months brawl it out vs Selfless ruined them?

toxic yacht
#

after realizing that they can get away with much more mistakes

#

I would have thought that like, a month of scrimming in korea should have helped iron that out a bit

#

but nope, apparently it didn't do shit

#

like, that tac visor at 2nd in hollywood

#

I still believe that they could have completed the map if they hadn't blown all of those ults for no reason

wary falcon
#

So only 1h before first match of TakeOver 2?

toxic yacht
#

yup

#

1 hour and 20 minutes

wary falcon
#

Seems like Cyclowns are huge underdogs without any chances to upset

#

May 28th - mowzassa leaves.
May 18th - Boombox leaves.

toxic yacht
#

normally they'd come out very far ahead

#

but noooo, they just had to get poached 2 weeks before their first big showing and chance to prove themselves

clever wagon
#

TakeOver in an hour o boi

#

Shite

#

ldaskjfnsaldkjfnasdljfnalsjfn

balmy wolf
#

they can probably pull a Misfit

clever wagon
#

Finally something to watch

toxic yacht
#

Rogue vs NiP is definitely gonna be interesting

wary falcon
#

I don't know what expect from Cyclowns

#

Everything seems grim for them

toxic yacht
#

NiP is highly inconsistent, but they basically run the counter to Rogue's comp stupid well

wary falcon
#

3x3?

toxic yacht
#

nah, triple tank with zappis flexing around

#

probably gonna be 76

#

or something

#

and they run triple tank very well

pliant ivy
#

hello !

toxic yacht
#

either they look like they're throwing or they seem dominant

#

kinda makes it hard to predict NiP matches

#

also, hi

wary falcon
#

it hard to predict NiP matches

It's much easier in CS:GO

#

they are shite

toxic yacht
#

lul

wary falcon
#

Biggest perfomance drop in esports i have ever seen

balmy wolf
#

tbf

#

NIP OW is Finnish

#

while NIP CSGO is Swedish

pliant ivy
#

on taketv twitch they wrote that the stream will start 2PM cet and on over.gg says that the match will start in 52 min, meaning 1.30 cet

#

what is the right time?

toxic yacht
#

2 pm CET

#

stream start

#

14:15 match start

#

52 minutes is 14:15 CET

pliant ivy
#

12:29 PM
Thursday, June 1, 2017
Central European Time (CET)

rapid oxide
#

NiP is rusty

pliant ivy
#

wtf??

toxic yacht
#

CET is 13:30 rn

#

source: am CET

rapid oxide
#

14:30 should start

#

Liquipedia say so

toxic yacht
#

TakeOver website says 14:15

pliant ivy
#

so take tv has the wrong time

#

it should CEST?

toxic yacht
#

it's the same

rapid oxide
#

๐Ÿ˜–

toxic yacht
#

CEST = Summer time

#

Central European Time = CET
Central European Summer Time = CEST

#

so yeah, technically it's CEST because daylight savings

pliant ivy
#

ye

toxic yacht
#

fuck, I hate timezones and daylight savings

pliant ivy
#

same

#

i want summer time all year

toxic yacht
#

I understand timezones, but daylight savings just adds confusiion

#

especially since different regions switch it up at different dates

wary falcon
#

i want summer all year

rapid oxide
#

^

pliant ivy
#

It's good to have summer all year

#

I live in Greece

#

but really NO

rapid oxide
#

๐Ÿ‘™ duckSmug

toxic yacht
#

you guys have phresh olives

#

that's reason enough to like it

rapid oxide
#

And Ilios

pliant ivy
#

๐Ÿ˜„

toxic yacht
#

*santorini

pliant ivy
#

more like santorini and rhodes

toxic yacht
#

rhodes pogchimp

solid spear
#

Wew

pliant ivy
#

the map with the ancient buildings

#

is based on rhodes mostly

toxic yacht
#

well, googling rhodes right now

pliant ivy
#

with the colossus

toxic yacht
#

ruins

#

yes

#

I never knew

pliant ivy
#

Colossus rhodes is 1 of ancient seven wonders

toxic yacht
#

well, that explains that statue

pliant ivy
#

yep

rapid oxide
#

And im here waiting for Italy map why

toxic yacht
#

go play CS:GO, you love that game widowlol

rapid oxide
wary falcon
#

I'm enjoying CS:GO much more than OW right now

#

I don't know why

toxic yacht
#

I can't really get into CS anymore for some reason

#

well, the fact that I'm complete garbage at the game doesn't help

rapid oxide
#

Because balance is trash?

wary falcon
#

Balance?

toxic yacht
#

rifles for days

rapid oxide
#

2000$ laser beam 0 recoil

wary falcon
#

huuh?

rapid oxide
#

Pistols that hs more than rifles

wary falcon
#

$2000 is only Galil

#

And galil is bad

toxic yacht
#

M4M1 is 3100 or what?

#

I forgot

#

ak is 2,7k iirc

wary falcon
#

M4A1 and M4A4 are $3100

#

AKM is $2700

rapid oxide
toxic yacht
#

aKm

#

kek

wary falcon
#

lmao

toxic yacht
#

oh yeah, negev

#

lmfao

rapid oxide
#

Akm lol

wary falcon
#

Negev is overrated as hell

#

It's shite

#

To be honest

toxic yacht
#

did they revert what they did do it?

wary falcon
#

Nope

toxic yacht
#

iirc they changed it to be superdum

wary falcon
#

Negev is nowhere close to imbalanced like old tec9/cz/p250/m4a1s/r8

toxic yacht
#

r8

rapid oxide
#

people talking like meta is stale on ow and csgo is top balanced game

toxic yacht
#

r8 was best

#

lul

rapid oxide
toxic yacht
#

literally r8 8/8

wary falcon
#

Anyways best weapon of CS:GO was AUG

#

it was bugged as hell

#

had p90 rate of fire and laser accuracy

rapid oxide
#

can you give me some vidoes? didnt found anything about it

wary falcon
#

I will try to find

toxic yacht
#

iirc it was valve trying to buff a weapon into the meta again

rapid oxide
#

ty โ™ฅ

wary falcon
#

It was only 1 week

toxic yacht
#

since they dislike the fact taht only a few rifles are super good

#

tbh I'm fine with the weapons that work

rapid oxide
#

"OW is only the same 6 heroes" CSGO: M4A4, AK and AWP

#

lul

toxic yacht
#

it's always funny to watch valve try to buff a rifle

wary falcon
#

not really, all weapons are viable in CS:GO right now except: pp19, dual pistols, m249

toxic yacht
#

before just giving up

pliant ivy
#

Never played CS, I was console player then.

wary falcon
#

AUG is good atm just pro players don't want to learn new spray pattern

pine star
#

BIONADE BUFFED NANO BEYBLADE IS THE NEW NANO BASTION

toxic yacht
#

wot about the SG 553?

#

I am nub