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#esports-discussion
clever wagon
supple nymph
big throws
toxic yacht
widow meta is back /s
balmy wolf
20fps
pliant ivy
what meta widow
balmy wolf
season 1
clever wagon
Lool
pliant ivy
its hard to be good with widow
toxic yacht
how is the fps so low with you?
pliant ivy
like taimou
clever wagon
Wiat what the fuck
balmy wolf
Effect...
umbral palm
what patch are they playing?
pliant ivy
the patch before the soldier nerf
balmy wolf
Taimou just tunnel vision into winning the Widow duel lol
pliant ivy
taimou at it again
toxic yacht
taimou going off lol
balmy wolf
Carpe is just feeding the nV healers
university is shit for Widow though
maybe McCree? lol
supple nymph
c9
clever wagon
CARPE LUL
toxic yacht
or 2-2-2
delicate sparrow
university is better for deathball tho
clever wagon
Lul
toxic yacht
with cree
clever wagon
Hmm..
toxic yacht
yup, triple tank
delicate sparrow
so maybe cocco will get off winston
supple nymph
SOMBRO
balmy wolf
"Sohmbrah"
toxic yacht
nV won this one
pliant ivy
ye
toxic yacht
LMAO
supple nymph
poor baby dva
kindred kiln
playing with your toy,taimou?
clever wagon
Mickie DVa Kreygasm
pliant ivy
bunny qq
balmy wolf
EMP was useless
umbral palm
nah it just didn't hit dva
glad chasm
TIME TO SWITCH OFF SOMBRA
delicate sparrow
a little late for that zarya swap
toxic yacht
balmy wolf
ENOUGH WITH THE C9 MEMES
delicate sparrow
yeah
you shouldn't bother swapping to zarya that late tbh. if you don't have time for a grav just pick someone else
balmy wolf
I get it
clever wagon
Timo on Sombrero
clever wagon
"You can't hack before the match starts" TIL
balmy wolf
@clever wagon wtf Gankyou
pliant ivy
esports
toxic yacht
lol, nV just trying shit out now
balmy wolf
I just realized
clever wagon
Lul
supple nymph
WHAT
clever wagon
What did you realize
supple nymph
TROLL
balmy wolf
That you are Gankyou
clever wagon
30 fps stream with stutters 4Head
balmy wolf
Stop changing your name and avatar >_>
clever wagon
I'm not me if I don't
clever wagon
I have this urge to do that
clever wagon
It's like crack but without the narcotic effects
glad chasm
Decent switches from bk
kindred kiln
yes,it's been like this at least past 2 weeks
glad chasm
Goddamn
pliant ivy
mickie lol
kindred kiln
got this crap a lot while learning tracer in QP :/
toxic yacht
carpe's McCree 
supple nymph
BEAUTIFUL TRACKING
glad chasm
Gonna be hard for bunny running tracer against this comp
umbral palm
EMP not needed lol
pliant ivy
NEW META?
supple nymph
LOL
clever wagon
Why would they pick Hollywood lol
balmy wolf
I missed it
glad chasm
That type of comp nv ran is pretty tough for a tracer/genji type to do anything
toxic yacht
thighmou widow
clever wagon
TOO EZ
toxic yacht
balmy wolf
mmmm
glad chasm
So bk had to run slower comp but nv still had effect to cuck rein
balmy wolf
That was coordinated to the second
toxic yacht
...
glad chasm
I'm actually surprised bk fought out of that situation
Nv just had amazing positioning there
clever wagon
LOOOL TIMO
digital pond
Lmao
glad chasm
Lmao why is alarm just chilling right on him in a corner
pliant ivy
TAIMOU CARRY
toxic yacht
is this ranked?
feral solar
season 2 meta
digital pond
This is so bad lmao
toxic yacht
...
glad chasm
Wow that last fight was super close
digital pond
I haven't laughed this hard in forever
supple nymph
delicate sparrow
the one shot on zen was pretty clean
pliant ivy
and ana
glad chasm
Ana not having grenade there ๐
supple nymph
balmy wolf
That dude from that beverage commercial is too handsome
pliant ivy
awesome
toxic yacht
MrGoodAim styling on them as Reaper
supple nymph
SWEDISH TANK SeemsGood FINNISH DPS SeemsGood THAI FLEX SeemsGood SPANISH SUPPORT SeemsGood SWEDISH ANA SeemsGood SeemsGood KOREAN TRACER SeemsGood YAKUZA COACH SeemsGood MUST BE NA TEAM
delicate sparrow
kyky is yakuza? who knew
wary falcon
Just like EG.Dota 2
balmy wolf
2cp ugh
delicate sparrow
"proming" his sombra looked kinda bad tbh
balmy wolf
Pretty creepy
wary falcon
1.518 on nV
delicate sparrow
or at least average
wary falcon
3rd map
pliant ivy
kyky yakuza coach? where did that came from?
balmy wolf
I get it
clever wagon
Urgh fuck
supple nymph
torbra
clever wagon
Why does Twitch connection speed always go down to 1/3 out of nowhere
pliant ivy
do you have the 1080?
toxic yacht
lol mickie
delicate sparrow
harry on zen always feels weird
pliant ivy
EFFECT
delicate sparrow
I forget he knows how to play more than 2 characters
pliant ivy
it happens to me a lot with 1080. I use 720
clever wagon
NV from the most lacking to one of the most flexible teams
But with 720 I'd be watching mosaic but I can't enjoy it because it's not porn
delicate sparrow
idk why chips didn't go mei or something there
umbral palm
2CP
pliant ivy
calssic 2 cp
balmy wolf
2 C P
digital pond
Much excitement.
pliant ivy
well its international
glad chasm
Obligatory 2cp bitching here:
supple nymph
mickie..
pliant ivy
not to always succeed
supple nymph
c9
balmy wolf
That was NOT C9
amber ember
mickie 
umbral palm
feel like 'c9' has been run down to 'losing a point'
clever wagon
You can't expect bronze fucking chat to have a remotely human learning capabilities
delicate sparrow
I feel like orisa is literally just there to limit taimou's widow
clever wagon
Jesus Effect
pliant ivy
clean
cedar rain
These pulse bombs
kindred kiln
holyshit
balmy wolf
Mickie <3
clever wagon
Did he do it with BK Stars DVa still in mech?
balmy wolf
You can ask the same about Mickie
clever wagon
Geezus EFFECT
pliant ivy
I always think that the starcraft is the main reason why koreans are so good
clever wagon
What a BM on Bernar
kindred kiln
fuckin' finally
winged halo
Ugh i hate that sombra is meta now
balmy wolf
Sombra tactics are pretty hype
clever wagon
Just stick the pulse bomb to a fuckin baby dva
winged halo
Shes so annoying to play against
kindred kiln
so frustrating to see all this dumb stall
amber ember
i feel like people bitch about whatevers meta atm
balmy wolf
^
delicate sparrow
sombra is barely meta outside of pro level
amber ember
sombra atleast is more interesting that watching a pharah an entire fight
cedar rain
They're doing this comp again O.o
rapid oxide
Sombra 
kindred kiln
sombra is amazing to play as/with though
vestal mortar
I love all the Sombra play
amber ember
^
rapid oxide
^
delicate sparrow
^
kindred kiln
^^
vestal mortar
Thanks fam
amber ember
as long as i'm not on bk stars i love it
vestal mortar
Yee
winged halo
My god effect
kindred kiln
i also kind of like characters that you can make a "play loop" for, and sombra can work well with a loop
digital pond
Effect always getting double kills on Pulse bombs.
winged halo
Nomnomnom
winged halo
Hahaha
vestal mortar
Delicious pulse bomb
winged halo
Naisu envyus
delicate sparrow
mickie has practiced that loop through the widow a lot I bet
digital pond
Harry winning the game again
winged halo
kindred kiln
gg ez
clever wagon
HarryHook's last boop lul
pliant ivy
gg ez
vestal mortar
ez pz
clever wagon
Cocco so fucking chill
delicate sparrow
cocco smiled???
rapid oxide
๐
pliant ivy
We will never know
rapid oxide
LH Coach "BK Evyus will be close" 
pliant ivy
i want so bad a nV vs LH final
delicate sparrow
idk why bk didn't run sombra on 2cp
glad chasm
I still think nv get stomped once they face an elite kr team
true tide
I think so too.
clever wagon
We'll see
kindred kiln
i feel like nv will do better than rogue against LH if they meet
clever wagon
They do have so much more fighting power than in S2
And obviously more flexibility than Rogue
delicate sparrow
I don't think they'll get stomped but nv is definitely only doing this well bc they haven't played an actual good team yet
amber ember
they cant face LH in the quarters right?
panthera is the best one they can get drawn against
true tide
It's not like NV had a particularly hard group.
I would have been really surprised if they didn't make it out of groups.
kindred kiln
oh,and it seems like Athena is basically in playoffs guaranteed too already,nice
glad chasm
@amber ember correct. I think kdp would beat them pretty easily too
pliant ivy
Possible nV vs X6 gaming then AFB on the next stage
glad chasm
Not sure what to make of AFB really
true tide
X6 are the only team out of groups I think NV has a chance against.
amber ember
well either conbox or mvp space are gonna get out
delicate sparrow
if nv plays x6 or mvp they'll definitely make it through
amber ember
reckon nv can take them
glad chasm
I think nv definitely loses to KDP or any of the other group leaders
true tide
I think so too.
glad chasm
AFB is more questionable I'd agree
delicate sparrow
afb is a better matchup for nv than kdp at least
glad chasm
LWB and LH look like the 2 best teams atm
Imo
Kdp could very well be the 2nd or 3rd best team though
amber ember
wasnt LH's coach saying KDP were getting better as the season went on
and he felt lucky they played them really early
glad chasm
Just from watching them even not looking at results they look like an extremely high level team with flexibility
Kdp
pliant ivy
According to Season 2 nV will play MVP or Conbox then AFB or KDP
glad chasm
So would lwb have to play kdp with winner against LG?
LH*
That's such a stacked side of the bracket if so
rapid oxide
Rogue and Envy switch roles
Now rogue are 0 flexible
Whil time ago was Envy problem
glad chasm
Rogue looked like shit against LH but their match against kdp might have been the highest level group stage match that was played along with kdp/LH
Really thought both teams played very well in kdp/rogue just kdp had more versatility in their hero pool and when to switch and that's why they won
pliant ivy
I bet AFB will get 9-0 this season
glad chasm
I think LWB would be my overall favorite atm personally
pliant ivy
3-0
toxic yacht
rip
pliant ivy
isn't LWB group one of most easiest?
LWB vs new team and last season group 4th
So LWB still didnt prove their worth
yet
rapid oxide
Same goes for evy tbh
delicate sparrow
LWB is still a pretty safe bet, judging from players and past performances
glad chasm
You could really argue all of the groups are easy besides group A
glad chasm
I do think the other 2 teams in LWBs group are pretty solid tho. Conbox gave a good showing against LWB IMO
delicate sparrow
meta athena isn't really that good tho. I mean they're good but I wouldn't place them too high above conbox
glad chasm
It's hard to compare or verify but I don't get the same sense of mechanical explosiveness with this nv squad that I do watching lwb/LH/kdp
delicate sparrow
so did runaway
pliant ivy
True
glad chasm
I mean they're clearly a top 8 worthy team especially with effect but I don't get the impression that they're serious contenders to actually win
delicate sparrow
kaiser was like 80% of that team
glad chasm
I also think rogue makes it out of group if they were in any other group IMO
wary falcon
Yeah pretty much the only more influental player is Effect for nV
delicate sparrow
he wouldn't have had the same effect this season tho tbh. his winston doesn't look nearly the same level
glad chasm
Only reason I personally have LWB over LH right now is because LH was an epic choke away from being down 0-2 to AOD
And just their general non impressive performance in winning that match
wary falcon
from my POV the strongest team in Apex S3 is KDP
pliant ivy
LWB will play LH at next group stage finals. Let see then
glad chasm
Whereas with LWB there's nothing to really point to and say "I didn't like that"
wary falcon
but not sure if they will struggle against LWB and LH
delicate sparrow
LH looked like they grew a lot during the rogue match
they still have a good shot against KDP
glad chasm
The first map in that match was really close I think Rogue just kind of lost any sense they had that they could make it out of group after that
delicate sparrow
I'm mostly referring to LH showing more flexibility than they have in ages
glad chasm
First map was played at a noticeably higher level than the 2nd and 3rd IMO
supple nymph
i dont think rogue cared they could have tac paused but were just 'fuck it'
toxic yacht
well, winning koth was their best chance tbh
the moment they dropped koth everyone including LH and us knew that they'd lose
glad chasm
Yeah they should have paused after first map for sure
delicate sparrow
yeah taking 2cp against LH is pretty impossible when you don't even practice the game mode
rapid oxide
https://twitter.com/JanSC2/status/869493936162824192 what you have to do exactly? 
Twitter
glad chasm
@toxic yacht well that's what I'm saying. First map was really close but after LH won that I think rogue knew they were pretty much fucked
supple nymph
but nope
toxic yacht
it was probably a bit like with Misfits
winning koth was also their best chance
vs LH
although KR was much closer than Hollywood with Rogue
glad chasm
Rogue would have lost 2cp either way but I think the rest of the series plays out differently if rogue didn't get back capped and have their lucio picked on nepal
Based on what I saw though I think rogue makes it out of any other group
toxic yacht
as much as I love Rogue
I'm kinda happy that they lost
I think that it's for the best
getting kicked in the nuts like this was probably a massive wakeup call
glad chasm
I'm not really a fan of any specific team just on skill alone I think their entire series vs kdp and first map vs LH were being played at an extremely high level that I don't think many other teams would have been capable of. They do need to expand their hero pool a bit though to be sure
toxic yacht
tbh they could have one-tricked their comp if they just played it better
I agree, they should focus on getting the rest of their heroes up to their current level
but they made a few pretty big mistakes, like their horrible ult-usage
mostly their ult management, it's actually garbage
glad chasm
You can definitely point out a few mistakes both in ult usage and dps play and I guess not being as coordinated as LH and kdp but both of those teams look like 2 of the top 3 right now to me
I think rogue would have won nV's group tbh and I'm not sure what to make of AFB because their competition has looked entirely overmatched and not really that good in their other matches
toxic yacht
well, AF Blue massively improved since they swapped out some of the shit in the team
but tbh I think that Rogue's glory period is over
TakeOver is in a few days and I am very confident in the fact that they'll get beaten by an EU team
glad chasm
AF Blue has looked great but from watching the other 3 teams play each other I don't think any of those teams are that legitimately good
toxic yacht
well, Runaway has big issues of their own, and I kinda forgot about the two other teams
glad chasm
Would you favor rogue over the rest of AFB's group? I for sure would have
toxic yacht
definitely
they'd probably have made it out first in that group
well, that's based off their usual performance at least
Nico has been seriously choking on LAN
glad chasm
Nico played poorly their first 2 matches but thought he was one of their best players against LH
toxic yacht
even LH's coach mentioned that he was disappointed because his genji looked so good online
oh, he played decently during LH
not at his usual level imo
but still pretty good
imo aKm has always stood out
glad chasm
Imo nico was probably their 2nd best player in that match after aKm
toxic yacht
I don't think that I've ever seen him perform badly
glad chasm
When he was on genji anyways
toxic yacht
like, aKm is legit one of the most consistent players I have ever seen
glad chasm
I think nico was actually pretty shitty on dva there but actually really impactful on genji for the most part
Soon played like shit obviously and hard to win any match in this meta with your tracer tanking
toxic yacht
I don't think that nico and SoOn played like shit tbh, LH just dealt with them excellently
like, they always made sure to focus down nico's dva and insta popped him
and they gave SoOn zero space
and didn't allow him to move at all
glad chasm
Nico played really well when he was on genji in that series. Soon just got destroyed even if the team was paying attention to him. Tracer is so highly mobile that what happened to soon shouldn't really happen if you're a top level player playing well
Compared to esca playing a ton of tracer in that series and sbb/effect generally
dusty surge
Another quick day, huh?
toxic yacht
B A L A N C E D G R O U P S
glad chasm
Which I don't want to hold soon to unfair standards of those guys tracer play but if rogue wants to seriously contend at tournaments like this then they need a tracer that can compete with those guys in this current meta
pliant ivy
APEX should make a Seeding Rank
for the groups
Like Champions League
if you get what i mean
glad chasm
Id probably rank rogue 4-5 with afb under a current ranking system
balmy wolf
Why is Blank losing from Machi 
balmy wolf
They redeemed themselves, gg!
rapid oxide
clever wagon
That exact tweet was posted here when APEX was playing...?
rapid oxide
Problem is... Casuals or doesn't know esport match/tournament is happening or they dismiss it in 30 sec "i don't understand nothing and its boring"
clever wagon
Ayy Kruise new vid
gentle shuttle
yups
clever wagon
Lol
tired escarp
๐ค
balmy wolf
fucking lol dude
toxic yacht
Remember, it could be sister teams
Dropping skip after buying seems ridiculous
But whatever, maybe he stole Alicus' kimchi
thick cosmos
Does 16 or 8 teams from each region make it to the group stages for overwatch contenders?
rapid oxide
maybe its nor ridiculous
depends what Skip did, could be his fault, we don't know
OR someone buyed him (most likely not)
balmy wolf
what if cyclowns got him 
rapid oxide
lol
that would be even more stupid :p
honestly mowzssa should had to stick with cyclowns until the taketv and leave after
but we are on oversnake here
solid spear
NRG bought Skip kap
toxic yacht
NRG bought Rubikon
rapid oxide
Still Dummy is in 
oh wow
they updated contenders with pages, total numbers of team signed and a textbox to search for a team
sick
Showing 523 Teams ๐ฎ
map updated hehe
toxic yacht
Jeez
limber pine
das a lot of teams
iron cedar
Which country are those in africa?
rapid oxide
Egypt, algeria, morocco and south africa
iron cedar
thx
clever wagon
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6e71yn/bernard_matrixes_effects_pulse_bomb/ I don't get why this gets so much praise when it didn't do anything in the end, as much of a clutch it was. It was only good for that moment and Carpe was unable to do his job regardless because Effect was left alive and free.
This time I agree with the casters
tired escarp
PogPogPog
rapid oxide
Twitter
balmy wolf
old news
rapid oxide
now its """official"""
rapid oxide
a twitter is better for liquipedia ^^
solid spear
yeah I said it a couple weeks ago
dont know how Buds and Idds relationship was back on Fnatic
but they were great together
balmy wolf
"great"
IDDQD got benched in Fnatic for a reason
or rather, multiple of reasons
here's to wait for NRG to bench him eventually when the "ticking bomb" that Minstrel mentioned finally explode.
solid spear
k
supple nymph
seagull playing paladins https://www.twitch.tv/a_seagull
limber pine
hirez sponsored stream?
supple nymph
now that you mention it there are buttons to purchase paladins currency on the stream page
rapid oxide
it's sponsored?
thorn holly
why arre you saying it could be a sister team for laser kittensยฟ?
rapid oxide
Can't imagine how much money they gave at seagull to show their game in hope to stole some ow players
supple nymph
he's scrimming toronto esports ?
balmy wolf
Yes
supple nymph
good that they won that would be embarassing
solid spear
I guess?
supple nymph
paid pro team loses vs random stream team that's been scrimming for a week
wouldnt sound good
like
reset
solid spear
._.
balmy wolf
that isnt esports discussion though
what?
you do realized that map reset is basically a scrimmage regularity right?
balmy wolf
do you even know how scrimmage works
supple nymph
guess not
tired escarp
LUL
supple nymph
balmy wolf
._.
supple nymph
i went there looking for that comment but was not really expecting to find it
esports discussion: should a coach be someone who isn't a former pro?
delicate sparrow
depends
a coach should really just be someone with a deep understanding of the game and good tactical analysis. you don't necessarily have to have played at a pro level to get that
digital pond
I mean the big reason a lot of coaches are ex-players is because they learn those skills along the way.
delicate sparrow
I think picking up pros as coaches just bc they used to be pros is pretty dumb too tho
digital pond
But as jag said ypou can learn to understand the game without going pro
But it also needs to be someone respected or charismatic.
delicate sparrow
true. if your players can't like/respect your coach they won't listen to them
supple nymph
it's not clear what expertise he has in OW
like you said if you were a pro it's proof that you at least have some understanding
gusty notch
I mean, flame played pro for like a week but he's still one of the most knowledgeable analysts/players out there
delicate sparrow
flame isn't worth half the praise people give him tbh
pine star
Flame needs to learn how to speak to an audience
But he's pretty fucking good as an analyst imo
delicate sparrow
his analysis has been super lazy the past couple of months imho. if you compare him to someone like skyline or any (good) coach he's really not super impressive
solid spear
@pine star I think youre pretty fucking good too bb
pine star
Now you have to edit yours so it says "I think youre pretty fucking good too bb" 
jovial eagle
kinda like how baseball coaches (managers) are almost all former pro catchers
they know them strats
balmy wolf
@delicate sparrow his livestream analysis is very one liner-ish
clever wagon
Is SDB already in NA?
clever wagon
Hmm
Because there's a new stream highlight vid by Avrogag showing him playing with some of the easily recognizable NA GMs/t500's
Wraxu, Stevooo
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
pine star
Not the first time he plays on NA servers with 300 ping
clever wagon
He didn't have the performance status on display
And his Pharah didn't seem very laggy
What do I know
supple nymph
wonder if jkap got completely shoved out of WC stuff
hasnt mentioned it since the schism
solid spear
I feel like no ones been talking about it for at least a week or so
I could just not be paying attention to it though
pine star
Hopefully their busy actually scrimming
pine star
Sprite 
clever wagon
Lul
tender crystal
i was just okay...
balmy wolf
??
pine star
tender crystal
balmy wolf
Stop
tender crystal
balmy wolf
Seriously
pine star
Just block him lul
balmy wolf
its not about him being annoying lul
jovial eagle
i wonder how much say does the overwatch dev team have in terms of developing overwatch league
gusty notch
balmy wolf
@jovial eagle not much
jovial eagle
figures
celest nova
Doesn't Blizzard have a department for the OWL/esports now?
balmy wolf
seperate though
otherwise, somebody is going to tell the dev to NOT FUCKING BALANCE THE GAME FOR PLEBS
jovial eagle
to me it's quite odd to see big name teams in contenders
balmy wolf
Having tale on proj and shadder on hitscan
would be lit
@jovial eagle it is a rather large online tourny though
jovial eagle
it is
solid spear
I mean only projectile Id want Tale on on team with Shadder is Pharah aanyway and ID has a decent enough one
plus AZKs Tracer is crisp
but this is probably temporary anyway
balmy wolf
Well yeah it is but Tale's pharah is top tier and I hear he's been working on his Genji during his time as a FA
plus, shadder is amazing on tracer and 76 aswell
It would seem he's just like Mendo
Sub incase shadders internet goes
jovial eagle
haha
clever wagon
"Will take sub position to play in pro scene again"
balmy wolf
Is that not obvious from the tweet?
Loyal is dead so its Evil
not really
since LG Royal was having some coaches and analysts
while LG Evil as far as people goes never really have staffs
rapid oxide
He's on Evil
balmy wolf
If it was the Loyal coach, he would have announced it weeks ago
also y'know
not hard to tell
rapid oxide
๐
balmy wolf
why would LG evil laid off their coach now though?
according to Liquidpedia he is coach/manager of LG Evil
so why would they laid him off right at the edge of a major tourny?
idk
rapid oxide
maybe because of the recent results
they want another coach
because recent results were pretty bad tbh
wish all the NA team will compete against Koreans and get rid of bad habits they have
balmy wolf
NA teams have a lot of things to get rid off of tbh
concrete pathing and planning, ultimate usage coordination, comp, etc etc
forest raven
LGE also keeps getting paired with Selfless in playoffs kek
rapid oxide
if blizzard doesnt deploy a fucking new spectator mode for contenders
i'll be fucking mad
balmy wolf
prepare to be mad, then
toxic yacht
well, it's completely different teams working on it
rapid oxide
true
thick cosmos
I hope vivi's adventure makes it into group stages of contenders
balmy wolf
idk about that
the amateur scene in EU is surprisingly deep
it just that tier 1 is so top heavy that it is hard to break into it
always the goal is to beat NIP first
and good luck beating them
toxic yacht
thick cosmos
Vivi's almost beat movistar riders in pit championship playoffs and they almost beat ex-Cyclone in a go4 monthly
clever wagon
toxic yacht
...source of this?
clever wagon
Gods' Nightbot
I mean I'm also blocked on Twitter out of nowhere, and I barely ever did anything
So lul
Sojum that's the 2nd time you posted that o.O
Lolololol
gentle shuttle
is ranked back today or tommorow boyos
clever wagon
12 hours or so
gentle shuttle
ty~
vestal mortar
๐
toxic yacht
clever wagon
That looks like one it might come from one of those Korean porntoons
gentle shuttle
western classy pron art*
toxic yacht
ah, that explains why I don't recognize it
clever wagon
Wonder which artist's illustrations should I download next
thorn holly
@ReignWolf NIP right Now is not even top 3 in EU
toxic yacht
well, that's probably why he said that they are the first goal
out of all of the T1 EU teams they seem like the most inconsistent and easiest to beat
stuck holly
hello
pliant ivy
hey
gentle shuttle
heyo
pliant ivy
clever wagon
Fuck this stream is gold
๐ BabyRage HELLO JEFF ๐ BabyRage WE'RE CALLING ๐ BabyRage BUT STILL LOSING ๐ BabyRage WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? ๐ BabyRage
rapid oxide
clever wagon
Dude what the fuck is with Gods' game sense
He pretty much knows Roadhog's hook length by muscle memory
solid spear
Most people who play a lot of hog do tbf
solid spear
I know what you mean
toxic yacht
Mickie and Oputo are the only Thai players I know anyway because of last year's world cup and nv, lol
clever wagon
Like it's not about whether you know them or not but it's more like about their calling
Like if they're not calling then that's like the problem
clever wagon
clever wagon
That "shittalk" sure is different than what I usually see
forest raven
Well if that's all aKm can come up with then shame on him for the shittier comeback
rapid oxide
JKap with the roast tho
forest raven
rapid oxide
DADDY JEFF IN THE COMMITTEE??!? TAKE MY VOTE 
balmy wolf
@thorn holly they only lost to a few teams, and most of those losses are T1 EU
they also won a small LAN themselves. Not much but it is something
and also most of the teams that beat them often have more chances of grabbing a championship
see: Movistar Riders, Misfits
basically, if you can't beat NIP, then you are not EU T1. They are as beefy as gatekeeper as it possibly be.
clever wagon
While Winz was chill af
thorn holly
Probable they are one Of The worst team in TakeTv2. Misfits, Riders, EUnited are for sure better than them, and even ExCyclone could be better than them but i dont know if they have The same potential as they has before The roster moves. Si if they are T1 team is just because The lack Of teams. They have shown that can Play properly 3 tank composition. In any other como they struggle a lot
balmy wolf
You said that but even during PIT they beat all of the teams in the group stage except Laser Kittenz.
EU doesn't lack teams
As much as the top tier is so top heavy that anyone can beat anyone else while they will stomp on yo tier 2 ass with no remorse
ripe marlin
i have to agree eu has a deeper pool than many ppl give them credit for i think more of there teams are tier 2 than anything else but still capable of beating a lot of tier 2 na and even giving tier 1 na a run for there money like riders and misfits are both capable of a big upset but this lan should help settle that
forest raven
EU hasn't had much of a chance to flex its muscles since 2017 began
There was Pit
That was about it until TakeOver 2 and Contenders was announced
ripe marlin
yeah exactly i cant wait to see what there teams bring over the next month here
see were they truly stand against na
rapid oxide
you guys know if some contenders matches are streamed?
forest raven
imo I think eUnited, Movistar, and Misfits outclass just about every NA team besides Rogue and EnVy
ripe marlin
are they being streamed by teams or just random by the org
limber pine
oh i don't know what the schedule is
balmy wolf
they will only stream RO8 iirc
forest raven
Pretty sure they're streaming the ro8
rapid oxide
Catch all the action starting June 3-4 2:00 AM CEST
ripe marlin
i actually think selfless and c9 are capable of hanging with the teams you mentioned @forest raven
ripe marlin
selfless for sure but i think once kaiser and everyone get used to each other and develop chemistry yeah they will be fine but yeah like a month
ripe marlin
yeah all the time
forest raven
Well you saw that C9 was able to beat LGE after about three days with Kaiser
ripe marlin
but kaiser is different than mendo
forest raven
After being beaten by them twice before
ripe marlin
to me kaiser fills a role they needed properly filled\
forest raven
And their 0-3 against Selfless was not a Misfits/AFR 0-3, it was a Lunatic-Hai/KDU 0-3
As long as Surefour doesn't play subpar because of a different sens every five days and they can all get on the same page, they'll be an incredible team
Especially in triple tank
balmy wolf
yeah well until they start being an online force first
i'll just hold my tongue and say that they are only a tier 2.
thorn holly
I didnt say lack Of players or talent
I said lack Of teams
In Europe there arent more than 6,7 teams
balmy wolf
wut mate
ripe marlin
eu has a lack of copverage
balmy wolf
EU lack of teams
the only reason that you think they lack of teams is because you don't pay attention to them, not lack of teams.
thorn holly
Lmao
rapid oxide
*notable team
thorn holly
How many teams are in NA and how many teams are in EU
rapid oxide
i think what Khan is trying to say
wanton bronze
I thought the problem with the EU scene was the lack of tournaments not the lack of teams
rapid oxide
like... singed n stuff
thorn holly
Yeah
balmy wolf
there's a distinctive difference between lack of team vs lack of notable teams
thorn holly
Thats What im saying
ripe marlin
yeah
thorn holly
No
rapid oxide
every region is full of team lol
it's ovbious he was refering to lack of notable team
balmy wolf
and even "lack of notable teams" is a bit suspect when you considered that in EU the tier 1 position is jockeying between Movistar, Misfits, NIP, Team Dignitas, and with Hammers and Cyclowns knocking on the door
ripe marlin
that lack of notable teams is related to the lack of coverage up until a few months ago
rapid oxide
well, khan, wait for 
thorn holly
How many player are in EU with contracts and how many teams in NA are with contracts???
balmy wolf
what exactly constitutes "lack of notable teams" then?
forest raven
EU has eUnited, Movistar, Misfits, NiP, Cyclowns, Laser Kittenz for notable teams
thorn holly
Cyclowns is not a team
rapid oxide
*organisation
balmy wolf
oh jesus fucking christ
ripe marlin
lol
thorn holly
They arent in a org so they arent in a team
toxic yacht
...
thorn holly
Lmao
ripe marlin
lol
toxic yacht
They are a team
rapid oxide
Calm down Reign
ripe marlin
@balmy wolf i โค you
forest raven
No need for the insults
balmy wolf
i'm kind of speechless right now, really
ripe marlin
na attracted more orgs in the beginning because of coverage that was lacking in eu
orgs
if both locations had same coveragew at start this might be a different story
thorn holly
For me no, a team must have a stuff behind them. Here in EU are playing together for free waiting some org signed them
rapid oxide
EU lack of signed team because of lack of tournaments while unsigned team are a lot
it's matter of time they will get signed
chill everyone
balmy wolf
"a team must have a stuff behind them"
rapid oxide
everything is gonna be alright
balmy wolf
๐คฆ
thorn holly
Can you explain how they are going to grow Up playing for free??
ripe marlin
lol ow contenders
rapid oxide
ripe marlin
they play for free they win they attract a little attention they get lan inv and etc
maybe not that easy but you gret it
thorn holly
Lmao, this is a amateur tournaments to help teams like G2 or Fnatic to find players
balmy wolf
a bunch of them will get signed with OW Contender. And realistically, if we looked at EU Pit, the amount of unsigned team is only on one hand.
forest raven
Contenders is essentially Blizz's way to have a combine without actually having a combine
ripe marlin
yeah there are a lot of top tier eu i would say even with lack of org eu has the ability to compete with na any day
rapid oxide
TSM, SK, Optic, NaVi, Virtus, G2
balmy wolf
these kind of statements make me ill, tbh
thorn holly
Thats what im saying
balmy wolf
"lack of signed team"
meanwhile EU Pit only have 2 unsigned teams
we had a flood of release earlier this month but the amount of signed teams in EU is a lot
ripe marlin
again hard to attract sponsors without good coverage which didnt start till a few months ago
balmy wolf
basically
thorn holly
Cuz you dont want to understand What im saying cuz its easy for you blame ppl which think different Of you instead Of trying to understand them
balmy wolf
maybe if you say "lack of big EU orgs signed team" then maybe I can understand
rapid oxide
was obvious imo
balmy wolf
but following your train of thoughts with all these moving goal posts is like trying to figure out whose limbs is who from a 10 car piles up
ripe marlin
@thorn holly i get what you meant im just saying why i think that is]
forest raven
idek what this convo is about anymore tbh
thorn holly
Its The same, most Of The What you call "team" they are together just for this tournaments
balmy wolf
just me insulting people. Nothing new here @forest raven
ripe marlin
lol
balmy wolf
at least EU OW will have something to chew on
here's hoping for an NA LAN
and maybe a fucking Western LAN that invite some KR teams
rapid oxide
an IEM but better than the previous one lol
thorn holly
In fact, only Vivรญs Adventure and ExCyclone are together without a contracts. Look Dignitas, Look CoL, look Fnatic. When their contracts expired they did disband and they didnt Play together anymore
toxic yacht
MGA 
rapid oxide
balmy wolf
the last IEM was weird
and idk if ESL wants to try to make an OW tourny anymore
not when they can just host a CSGO event have have instant 200K viewers
instead of OW's measly 10K
rapid oxide
while 100k are bots
balmy wolf
IEM got like 30K yeah but it did not have many viewers as their other game
rapid oxide
not even LoL had a healthy viewership on IEM
balmy wolf
still more seemingly good enough for them to continue hosting LoL tournaments
up until like last week anyway
ELEAGUE and Beyond the Summit LAN plz
ELEAGUE was the best NA LAN back then and still is to this date
rapid oxide
still viewbotted by the people that wanted the skin of ELEAGUE final ๐
rapid oxide
weird that when there's no drop, his wiewership is 1/3 if not 1/4 of ELEAGUE
before ELEAGUE Major, OW Open got more viewers on Turner TV
but still... we are comparing a brand game that is out since 1999 with 1 year game :p
balmy wolf
idk about that. They never shilled for non Blizzard tournies, not even a mention. A lot of the organic growth can be accelerate just with that
rapid oxide
and yeah, i think Blizzard-Activision have more money and power than Valve
Google didn't became the 1st search website in 1 year
forest raven
I think there's gonna be a lot of growth during Contenders and the WC
Well that's a slam dunk, really
But it will lead into more natural growth at a higher rate afterwards
balmy wolf
remember NGE Winter Premiere? According to ZP they ran out of money at some point. And that was an official tourny.
and Blizzard didn't shill for shit
so even with Contenders
ripe marlin
lol last weekend even cod brought in 80k viewers
rapid oxide
cod lol
ripe marlin
cod lol
balmy wolf
i don't see OW Contenders having that much impact overall
just some
but not as much as it is intended
ripe marlin
the wc will make an impact
rapid oxide
uncontested esport console game
ripe marlin
as true as that may be except for halo still on console even if a different console its still 80k
ripe marlin
no its just boring
ripe marlin
they are both boring but we were debating viewers and 80k is good viwers for average tourney
rapid oxide
cod brand exist since ages
ripe marlin
yeah we
rapid oxide
and, as i said, its the only notable shooter and esport
reason of why his esport is notable
ripe marlin
decent marketing
ripe marlin
last year there final big lan had 150k viewer
rapid oxide
so?
supple nymph
Twitter
ripe marlin
havent seen a ow viewership number pass 20k in a while not saying its bad just sayiung if they want to sellout arenas i hope they can have a viewership of 100k on a regular basis at some point this yeart
forest raven
Winz is ๐
balmy wolf
can't have 100K viewers when half of r/OW retards just there to watch highlight
and upvote on meaningless OP
ripe marlin
lol
ripe marlin
like they want to become big esport which i have no doubt will happen but i want to see 100 regular tourney basis
rapid oxide
you can't take online tournaments into consideration
ripe marlin
again thats just a couple events im saying i would like to see it more often
ripe marlin
lol i never said it was dead u should gho back and read what i said
balmy wolf
APEX finals are like months in between though
rapid oxide
just saying
rapid oxide
still missing that you compare an estabilished esport
ripe marlin
and i have watched 3 cs events in 2017b with over 100k viewers
rapid oxide
with one that's not
ripe marlin
no one has said ow wont bring in those numbers what ppl said is those numbers need to grow and be consistent
balmy wolf
established or not, Blizzard just missed the boat on trying encourage the growth of the scene
because of their insistence of being control freaks
we could have an OMM with 30K viewers if they just fucking shill it
same case with Pit Championship
those steps are more important for long term growth
but what do I know about esport vs Blizzard "each OW city is about 5 mil plz"
ripe marlin
also would be great if they added in better ways to view matchups like a few months ago had 1st c9 vs lge off stream would like to see more on stream less off stream results even if tourney takes a day or 2 longer just better quality
rapid oxide
who seriously belive spots will be sold that high is pretty much stupid
ripe marlin
have no doubt they can do what cs did earlier this year with 1mil unique viewers just want better ways to watch my fav teams play
balmy wolf
they will trade down. How low it will go, is going to be the interesting part
ripe marlin
5mil still high price