we all know he's been using an aimbot since beta
#esports-discussion
delicate sparrow
supple nymph
rip
delicate sparrow
"zoning ults"
pine star
civic marsh
tracer is so insane man
clever wagon
So Lijiang was a tiebreaker?
pine star
M E L T E D
delicate sparrow
"surefour is washed up"
solid spear
🙏
supple nymph
RIP GODS
civic marsh
just got deleted
solid spear
SULLI PLS
civic marsh
ana nade + hog heal lul
supple nymph
deadfran
pine star
supple nymph
press f for dafran
pine star
S
clever wagon
What the fuck?
supple nymph
better trickle
clever wagon
Where did C9 go?
pine star
To the spawn room
clever wagon
Suddenly just Gods and Xepher
delicate sparrow
dafran deleted like 3 people off screen
pine star
lol Kaiser is probably a Genji main secretly
civic marsh
these na ults
solid spear
🙏 🙏 🙏
civic marsh
selfless winning fights using like a quarter of the ults
final river
sick shatter and charge
pine star
Intense shit man
final river
one more fight for their life
pine star
Dafran on monkey lul
supple nymph
......
pine star
JFC
dusty surge
lol
pine star
Wow
dusty surge
That's what happens when you completely ignore a Tracer
pine star
This fucking match man lmao
civic marsh
sinatraa..
final river
that ending was so close omg
civic marsh
xepher's matrixes are so good
supple nymph
@tough agate GRATS
digital pond
This was intense AF
solid spear
:'>
dusty surge
I wouldn't say he showed up so much as no one even looked at him.
pine star
No cheesy highlight reel at the end of the stream smh
crisp lynx
did dafran troll again?
supple nymph
????
final river
wtf is this song
supple nymph
LOL
final river
rip all the sponsors
supple nymph
who won
pine star
Give it a guess
solid spear
This is the bestest tournament evers
crisp lynx
wait, why first map in final is draw?
digital pond
Yeah games were fun and close
crisp lynx
Good dad, wish he don't hit you
tough agate
@supple nymph THANKS
I'm just glad I played well on lijiang and holly cause I played terrible on nepal
clever wagon
Ggs Kresnik
pine star
@tough agate question: just how hard is going Reinhardt on Reinhardt against Kaiser?
clever wagon
Yeh whatchu think bout this game against Kaiser
tough agate
his shatter setups are nuts, and he's really good at the neutral game
his aggressive play does really well against the baity passive style I tend to run, so it's hard for me to adjust
solid spear
Congrats on the win :')
tired escarp
gratz kresnik lmao
digital pond
@tough agate Which Anime would you use to name the C9 series?
tough agate
Oh god I don't watch enough anime to know that
tired escarp
what's that anime in your profile picture
tough agate
It's from a game
Tales of Xillia 2
Opening cutscene
Also where I got my name from
tired escarp
tough agate
The avatar is the Kresnik brothers dueling
balmy wolf
weeb
tired escarp
^
tough agate
balmy wolf
this isnt #weeb-discussion
solid spear
can we get one?
wintry matrix
but that's for the normie weebs polo
tired escarp
not being a weeb in 2k17
pine star
¯_(ツ)_/¯
balmy wolf
browsing the Starboard
people mocked the shit out of Mykl and Babybay in that
with all the jokes about toggle and switch
pine star
Toggle and switch?
balmy wolf
ie aimbot
along with Corey too, actually
Mykl and Babybay's sketchy history is what made TSM not sign them to begins with
and the loss to C9 just made a mockery out of them
courtesy of literally everyone lol
pine star
Oh lol
balmy wolf
@toxic yacht SDW will be released of the clutches of high ping finally >_>
rapid oxide
Shadowburn
solid spear
what an interesting abbreviation
balmy wolf
I guess he just abbreviated Shadow lol
rapid oxide
yeah
Zombs said on reddit SDB is coming soon on NA
And they will compete on contenders
balmy wolf
ye i saw
rapid oxide
Glad they wont disband
toxic yacht
I hope that the same applies for Mikeya and Forsak3n
I just wanna see FaZe not be shit again
rapid oxide
balmy wolf
ShaDowbaWn
pseudo sail
ICYMI did a piece on APEX S3. Hope you enjoy!
Four unconventional rivalries for APEX S3
http://www.esportsheaven.com/articles/view/6057
stray grove
Hey guys, where do I need to go to find open Overwatch tournaments? I hear there are several weekly tournaments but I can't find any information on them
balmy wolf
there are 3 weeklies and one huge one coming up next week
AG Weekly, Good Gaming Weekly, ACOL and next week is Overwatch Contenders
stray grove
Thank you!
forest raven
There is also the TakeOver 2 LAN beginning on the 1st @stray grove You can check the pins for more info
toxic yacht
I mean, he asked for open ones which implies that he wants to play in them
toxic yacht
but I wouldn't know
balmy wolf
@forest raven the keyword is Open, lol
and even then, TakeOver 2 qualifier is ended so yeah
forest raven
Dude I can't read
balmy wolf
you are from down under. I know
forest raven
odd harness
rapid oxide
SOON LUL ESCA LUL IM 12 btw 
toxic yacht
kek
but tbh the Esca meme stopped being as bully now
I think most people know acknowledged that esca was just inconsistent and was thrust into tracker without ever playing her, he was pretty good in all of their matches imo, he especially popped off vs Rogue
mighty nymph
where can i apple for tornuments?
mighty nymph
thxs
red anvil
Escas tracer have been consistent trough apex so far, last season however, wow for a bumpy road
jovial eagle
vestal mortar
Oh noey
supple nymph
there
vestal mortar
\o/
balmy wolf
@supple nymph I was sleeping
but yes, that thread is stupid and the upvotes is also stupid
rapid oxide
Did you seriously expect he would say his team name?
it's obvious the post was aimed to be anon
it could be taken seriously but maybe not
and it's no news pros/high tier people are egocentric
and elitist
balmy wolf
those kind of posts are nothing but cancer tbh
virtue signalling and "try to make other people reconsider their position"
feels like someone never been to the internet before
toxic yacht
Wot
rapid oxide
SDB, FCTFCTN, Spree, Rawkus, Lui and Joemesiter
rapid oxide
and mikeya
balmy wolf
and zombs
toxic yacht
Well, that answers my question about bringing Forsak3n and mikeya to NA, lol
balmy wolf
most of these are upgrades though
toxic yacht
Kinda weird to that SDB and Forsak3n would split up, they're best buds
balmy wolf
Spree > Zombs
Lui > Mike
Joe > Forsaken
toxic yacht
Maybe they just decided that this was the best decision for the team, I dunno
balmy wolf
This new FaZe is going to be lit
toxic yacht
But yeah, losing Forsak3n's zen kinda sux
rapid oxide
who said "lui isnt impressive, no one will pick him"? 
balmy wolf
Zombs and Forsaken aren't bad though, I wonder where they'll go
@rapid oxide I said it will be hard for a team to pick up Lui, if anything
Faze Clan was the least likely option
rapid oxide
supple nymph
seagull scrimming then Paladins https://www.twitch.tv/a_seagull
balmy wolf
Lui is solid on the ladder board but what we've seen from him he isn't carry DPS potential
rapid oxide
paladins 
supple nymph
anyone know what team that is?
balmy wolf
FF
supple nymph
FF? 
toxic yacht
Final Fantasy
toxic yacht
toxiken and bromars on the team seagull is scrimming against
solid spear
Faze looks much better now at least on paper
supple nymph
seag #1 mei
vestal mortar
thorn holly
do you think joemeister is better than forsaken
toxic yacht
to say that I'd have to know how they call
balmy wolf
We haven't really seen Joe on the new lucio
toxic yacht
Forsak3n is a really good zen, and I don't think that joe plays him, so that's kinda meh, but rawkus can play zen when required
balmy wolf
I feel like he was the better lucio before the changes
now idk
and yeah, he also doesnt play zen
thorn holly
do you know another free agent main supp
thorn holly
cuz i think there are better free agents out there
toxic yacht
eh, there aren't many shotcallers out there atm
balmy wolf
you could take Ajax Residentsleeper
toxic yacht
and we really cannot gauge how good joe is
thorn holly
thats make sense, but i think their main problem with the old roster was people like shadowburn and forseken playing with EU ping
cuz in LAN they played pretty well
balmy wolf
Them hating eachother probably didnt help either
toxic yacht
the fact that they all hated each other also didn't help
thorn holly
i didint know that
toxic yacht
they only got their shit together at LANs
thorn holly
but they have to be so confident cuz i dont think they played so much with Lui
balmy wolf
they haven't pull a Rogue/Misfits
thorn holly
its a risky choice
toxic yacht
zombs leaving also makes sense if you consider those... messages we saw
thorn holly
what messages¿?
i want the see the trsh talk xd
to*
and do you know another spicy team with good players¿?
supple nymph
toxic yacht
can't think of any other teams like that atm
toxic yacht
cyclown, although the team is getting poached atm
runaway is still orgless
somehow
toxic yacht
but seriousy, couldn't LK have waited a week before stealing mow?
balmy wolf
they could have
toxic yacht
I get eU taking boombox 2 weeks before the event
balmy wolf
Honestly cyclown arent going to do anywhere near as well as Cyclone would have
toxic yacht
but taking another strong player a few days before an event even though they don't have any plans within the next few days seems like a dick move
yee, and I was so hyped to finally see them at a LAN
they've probably been waiting for such a chance for ages
and then this happens
balmy wolf
well
one educated guess is that for whatever reason
Skipjack isn't in LK's roster anymore
toxic yacht
yee
balmy wolf
hence the poaching
toxic yacht
alternatively, they could be trying to get a sister team or some shit
which is why they are getting a 35 man roster and have 2 main tanks
thorn holly
he left LK¿?
toxic yacht
nope, but it's just an educated guess, as he said
rapid oxide
Bought Skipjack just to bench him? 
Pls god, i want to wake up tomorrow and see a PTR patch or Comp with solo/group queue
balmy wolf
I think in CSGO this is called "pulling an fnx"
somebody good in math herE?
@balmy wolf #general-discussion
dusty surge
It could be visitor visa vs work visa tho..
balmy wolf
wat
supple nymph
someone on cow discord pointed this out: https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6e0tud/psa_if_youre_a_toptier_managercoachplayer_dont_be/di77pyq/
but the read c9 jack = https://www.reddit.com/user/Cloud9Jack
and that guy is really a user named anomanopia https://puu.sh/w4UrC/2f38087281.png
pretty random
balmy wolf
did that post get remove for doxing and shit?
feels like the barrier to what constitute to be "doxing" or "harassment" is getting lower these days
balmy wolf
first time i've seen
The Entire Eurozone is pretty liberal though
figuratively and literally
solid spear
he probably didnt want to be lol
The return of Milo
actually interested to see if theyre carrying 8 or theres swaps
supple nymph
dummy?
errant snow
nrg already said they're trialing new players instead of grego and graceful
delicate sparrow
nrg is starting to feel like those guys that you run into in comp who will blame the loss on anyone but themselves
so many roster swaps and they haven't fixed their own problems
supple nymph
hype for tomorrow's apex match
LUL classic NRG https://youtu.be/xrWiVps-XHg?t=11m41s
balmy wolf
"rumoured"
solid spear
-_-
balmy wolf
?
vestal ermine
anyone know if any teams said they were in the OWL yet?
balmy wolf
Nope
vestal ermine
dang
rapid oxide
sturdy granite
Who's got the best Overwatch Contenders name?
toxic yacht
You Guys Get Laid
balmy wolf
so all of the ex Fnatic are all FA
Buds, Talespin, Custa, and Coolmatt are good pickups
rip btb
Coolmatt is a good supportive flex
while Buds is a good hitscan
all of them won't be teamless for long
rapid oxide
^
they can play as a team under a shitty name
and get picked later
i mean... is what contenders is for
balmy wolf
They probably wont
rapid oxide
why?
balmy wolf
right now everyone is hurried to get into the team for the Contenders
Did you not watch the clip
i was typing, hang the fuck on
I watched, yes
rapid oxide
i didnt
balmy wolf
everyone is hurried into team, but from the clip that seems like BTB couldn't build a roster with 4 guys
stoop doesn't want to play main tank no mo
not you reign
vace
you should watch the clip before participating in discussion about said clip @rapid oxide
rapid oxide
i find stupid to split anyway
rapid oxide
virtus pro?
i find stupid that people dont fix their issue and think that split or replace is the answer
final river
Nice, Envyus playing in a bit.
feral solar
yeah LW blue v FL should be quick
rapid oxide
edgy remnant
"Also, after Vansquad revealed in Leetaejun's stream the mouse he was using, that mouse got sold out."
toxic yacht
lol
edgy remnant
It reminds me of this specific KB+M that was tremendously popular because Korean SC pros used it a lot
iirc it was the Zowie Mico and DT-35
And they had no reason to be popular really, the DT-35 was basically a crappy rubber dome
rapid oxide
Hamilton can rekt me with a Renault and me using a Ferrari
Mouse doesn't matter too much
if you are shit at aiming, you can take the best mouse ever crated and it will be pointless
toxic yacht
I beat Hamilton in a VW Käfer
rapid oxide
wary falcon
Flash is +1200 on bet365
Bk stars +450
what does it mean?
btw LWB has 1.021 on pinnacle
balmy wolf
the amount of money you'd won if you bet on them
wary falcon
i asked about 365bet
rapid oxide
never bet in my life lol
balmy wolf
basically if you bet 100 dollars for Flashlux, and somehow Flash won, then you won 1200 dollars
wary falcon
gotcha, thanks
balmy wolf
+1200 is unsurmounable odd
wary falcon
Russia
balmy wolf
+450 less so but still very big
wary falcon
I'm using only pinnacle.com
balmy wolf
I didn't know APEX was today
wary falcon
to bet
wary falcon
don't want? they are here already dude
rapid oxide
CSGO is like Horse Racing... you may not like it, but you watch it to see it anyway if you won or not
but valve doesn't give a shit because they makes money on it so 🤷
balmy wolf
Rogue is out already...
KR teams are too powerful
well, smurfing in NA can only do so much
lol
nV themselves also suffered from it
when they were shitting on NA teams and then get shit on by Rogue/Misfits
now Rogue is just running through the same phase that nV went through
glad chasm
This first match is gonna be a blood bath
balmy wolf
A classic APEX score I'm expecting
more like a massacre
bloodbath implied that both teams trade blows
that won't happen
unless FL somehow turn on the toggle
lol
glad chasm
Wish we could just get a mercy score 3-0 and save ourselves the time after about the first map
final river
It's gotta be a 3-0
gentle shuttle
glad chasm
Any related news on what betting limits will be at Vegas bookmakers?
Can't imagine they'll let anyone lay heavy wood on esports until they get a better handle
balmy wolf
no clue
and also
this meta is so boring to watch
cancerous to watch too
The casting got worse
on their defense, this meta is boring to watch
"let me spectate the Pharmercy while Tracer on the ground kill everyone"
final river
The portraits are awesome
glad chasm
Is spectating the wrong person a problem with the meta or a problem with who they're spectating?
balmy wolf
this meta is very micro play intensive
and fast engage
good luck spectating with constant camera switches
i watches OW since forever and this meta make me want to 🔫
final river
In little league they have a mercy rule where they end the match early right?
wanton bronze
Better than watching 4 tanks at least
glad chasm
You can't take anything from this type of match though and tank meta was super slow and boring
balmy wolf
4 tanks actually are more watchable than this
glad chasm
Nv vs meta athena rogue vs kdp and kdp vs LH were all good spectator wise
final river
rip
balmy wolf
those match ups aren't dive intensive
i tried to watch Rogue/LH to digest and study how to play dive vs dive
and it was a clusterfuck
glad chasm
Disagree with those matches not being divey but okay
Difference of opinion on what makes for a good watch
balmy wolf
i was in emongg's discord when I was watching Rogue/LH
crisp lynx
flower
balmy wolf
and even then he thought that this meta is fuckin' hard to watch
and analyzing it is even more so
since again, very micro play dependent
like with quad tanks, the margin of errors are too large
which make matches slow, but at least from a spectating standpoint there's a clear line of battle and engagement
meanwhile in this dive meta, the margin of errors are too small
a team fight can ends in a flash
and the line of engagement is so blurr with all the maximizing team fights philosophy that it is hard to follow
glad chasm
Not a huge fan of emong or nv as an org so didn't listen but sounds like you're just parroting his thoughts. Still disagree with the meta being the problem but think for casting purposes they should do more global pov or even follow more than 1 person at a time because it's hard to get an entire sense of what's going on and where from just 1 pov and no in game audio regardless of comp
balmy wolf
i'm not even parroting his thoughts
I do a lot of spectating and analyzing by my own time because of my role as manager/coach/analyst of my own teams
and a lot of stuffs usually come down to micro, mechanical plays
glad chasm
I mean what you do as "manager of a team" doesn't make you any more qualified than anyone else who watches
balmy wolf
and also, emongg is not a part of nV
glad chasm
Nvm thought you meant tiamou for some reason my bad.
balmy wolf
lol?
Was there ever a Mei meta?
how can you mistook emongg for taimou, those two names are different
digital pond
Mei meta did happen
balmy wolf
and yes, there was a Mei meta
digital pond
She was popular on Hanamura for a bit too
Cause there was a pseudo invincible strat with her
balmy wolf
When was that?
digital pond
That basically first held people
balmy wolf
Overwatch Open.
digital pond
Almost everytime
glad chasm
@balmy wolf because it's 6am and I'm only half reading what you're saying tbh
digital pond
It didn't last as long as other metas but it was well present
balmy wolf
and also, i've watched OW since Atlantic Showdown
so I actually have knowledge of previous metas
to compare this one
I don't remember that but cool
I get it
ironically the most watchable meta is around the Overwatch Open, where some of the more broken strats are actually watchable and easy to hype
pliant ivy
Hey guys
balmy wolf
Yo
glad chasm
You're not any more qualified than anyone else here reign so what other meta you might favor personally is just your own subjectivity and nothing else.
digital pond
Hellow
balmy wolf
lol Fl0wer on support
feral solar
next level bm
balmy wolf
I mean if your defense is "you are not qualified because of X" then I don't think you have any refutation to begins with
Don't fight while arguing
meh, whatever.
glad chasm
I mean your passing off your opinion as fact so other than clarifying your attempts to pass off your opinions as fact there's nothing else to really be said
It's not like I can tell you your opinion is not actually your opinion
balmy wolf
passing off your opinion as fact
you know, i'd not take that line seriously if it wasn't for me providing clear reasoning for my train of thoughts
balmy wolf
so having the "that's just your opinion, man" card show up is rather 
who cares, anyway.
final river
So flash might actually complete this attack
glad chasm
You didn't provide anything that wasn't your strict opinion though. You don't like current meta. You explained why you don't like it. Why are we still talking about this?
digital pond
I mean a lot of it is LW Blue forcing tri-support
I think they're running it all the way to try it out.
But I think if they swapped up they would have held street
They almost full held them on point.
glad chasm
They'll end up holding here
balmy wolf
how did the McCree just melted within the Transendance there?
glad chasm
All these flux matches look like those times when you're in solo queue and matchmaking decides to completely fuck you
Those late at night/early morning wonky matchmaking games
final river
where it's 5 dps and someone is telling the one healer to please switch off Ana to mercy
balmy wolf
Flash Lux was playing the "Protect the McCree" comp
and then somehow SBB got like 2 picks off of his own
even when Veil got two picks off of his McCree
balmy wolf
this is just borderline massacre now
glad chasm
I'm such a little sbb fangirl
balmy wolf
what's the point of having this match when LW Blue just flex their huge mechanical cock and just beat FL with it just because they can?
why is Fleta all the way from the back there
glad chasm
Lmao fleta getting cucked out of the fight so hard
final river
Maybe there's scientists in the back and this is just a tilt experiment
balmy wolf
even in losing engagement LW can just trade people because of their sheer mechanical skills
they can just lose 2 people off of the bats and then got 3 picks later just because
glad chasm
Lmao
pliant ivy
flash so bad
wary falcon
Do you believe in BK today?
pliant ivy
they are gonna get demoted for next season
toxic yacht
FL always makes it out of challengers but gets rekt in the groups, lol
balmy wolf
basically
they went back to challengers and then beat sterling competition like AF Red
and then come back up just to serve as punching bags for everyone else
final river
Every time they come back "This time will be different"
balmy wolf
i'd not be surprise if some of their players aren't that high on the ladder board
AF Blue had their supports just diamond and master
and after a change in that role suddenly they are a scary team
final river
wow how could they ever win games with diamonds
pliant ivy
I think Apex will change the tournament setup after season 4. So they can promote teams to OWL world championship from APEX.
final river
That would be cool
balmy wolf
it will remains to be seen of what blizzard intended
glad chasm
@pliant ivy I hope they do something to prevent teams like flux from just repeatedly getting back into apex just to get stomped each season
balmy wolf
they would be foolish to interfere on OGN's set up though
since it is a perfect system
OW Contenders and later the OW Open League is going to be functionally the same for NA and EU
now Blizzard only need to insert their own kind of system where players from the ladders can get a decent route to pro
if they are talented enough
balmy wolf
well, one tricks are forever going to be just an NA thing
and just one more reason why NA ladder is shit and why the talent pool will also be similarly dragged down because of it
and mind you, there are a few one tricks that are tolerable. Lucio, Genji, or Reinhardt.
not Mercy though.
balmy wolf
top 500, more like top 300, amirite?
pliant ivy
you are right
balmy wolf
Dafran have like 3 accs by himself
pliant ivy
Blizz won't do anything to smurfs accounts
balmy wolf
and also, there just frankly not enough people to play. EU and Asian MM works better because of the sheer amount of players available
meanwhile NA we will have shit like 5 master + 2 top 500
or some silly shits like that
pliant ivy
but they would implement a choice where you can make your smurf account not registered to top 500
digital pond
I mean a good majority of GMs are alt accounts stacked up
So the number is fairly artificial
clever wagon
Jfc I really forgot
wanton bronze
The valve way worked iirc. Require a phone number or something along those lines
clever wagon
It's Tuesday
wanton bronze
to play ranked
clever wagon
And I was wondering what are they doing mentioning "NV this NV that"
digital pond
To play ranked in it
pliant ivy
Reb i would get my parents phone etc to register other accounts
toxic yacht
blizzard probably likes smurfs because free 40€
clever wagon
Look at this beautiful stuttery 30 fps stream
digital pond
PRetty much Sojum
balmy wolf
i was trying to stay up for nV vs BK stars
but this match is making me want to go to sleep
there's no entertainment or things to digest with LW Blue just pummeling Flash Lux to pieces
digital pond
I think it's part of why Flow3r is playing.
clever wagon
RunAway is really an exception to the rule
digital pond
It's a testing of his arm's status against a team they don't fear losing against.
Since they have the worst track record currently
glad chasm
MM honestly needs a solo queue only rule like I've seen Calvin suggest. A lot of people just stack up 3+ queue and MM doesn't properly assign those stacks into games
clever wagon
We've heard that exact complaint for the 213904810248142nd time
digital pond
Because the MM gives you way worse teammates
balmy wolf
Blizzard tried to have a 6 stack only queue and the casuals hates it, so dynamic queue is there to stay to appease to everyone.
digital pond
And the games aren't fun.
balmy wolf
solo queue is never going to be the answer
as much as people like to think it is
it is a more NA centric problem rather than a game problem
digital pond
IT's a nice option, but Iono if it's a solution for OW
It's easier to want soloQ for calvin due to the rank range he plays in.
But I don't think it would be beneficial for elos as you go down the ladder
OR incentivize people to play ranked at lower elos
glad chasm
Stacking at the casual level isn't an issue because there's such a huge pool of players at the lower levels but if you get 3 t500s stacking MM does a horrible job of making games at that level
digital pond
And to pass so much time grinding.
toxic yacht
OWC seems like a pretty cool way for no-names to make it tbh
it also avoids all of the soloQ issues
balmy wolf
A classic crushing
again, matchmaking in NA is skwered due to lack of players comparatively to other region
having a solo queue only queue would just be a bandaid to the problem.
digital pond
MM always works a lot better with a higher pool of players definitely.
But I think there's also an illusion of KR system always having people when it's heavily peek hours oriented.
balmy wolf
you never heard about Koreans ranked being shit
digital pond
A lot of streamers I see complain about MM in NA are player at stupid hours
Like 5 am
glad chasm
Wouldn't mind blizzard at least adjusting MM to give t500 stacks a long wait to get into games until another similar stack can be placed on the other team
digital pond
And expecting to get 6v6 GMs
clever wagon
NA ranked being filled with so much shit says a lot
digital pond
Shit can't happen
balmy wolf
@clever wagon NA have historically a shit region in every esport
OW isn't going to be different
clever wagon
"Going with new strat" - casters on LW Blue going quad tank vs Flash Lux
clever wagon
Well Sojum
glad chasm
Sbb just wrecking
clever wagon
They only got Soldier + Tracer
digital pond
Flash Lux is getting bullied harder than NA teams by Rogue.
clever wagon
And the tank is DVa + Zarya
final river
welp brutal 3-0 like everyone said
balmy wolf
Fl0wer looked bored.
toxic yacht
but hey, good to see fl0w3r back again
digital pond
At least Flower's arm is in good shape.
glad chasm
The entire lw blue team looks bored lol
toxic yacht
without an ana they could as well just be multiple 400+ hp ult charging stations
tbh
digital pond
Not even a map
balmy wolf
@digital pond one other thing I think you forgot to mention ios that Korea server shares server with Chinese/Japan/every other countries
glad chasm
Meko looks like he's ready for a nap
digital pond
That's depressing
balmy wolf
so the pool of players and the amount of peek hours are more diverse
clever wagon
I'd argue in their respective scenes Flash Lux is not even on the same level of competitiveness as tier 2 NA teams against tier 1s
digital pond
@balmy wolf That's true and easy to fogert
forget*
It's just a lot more people in general.
clever wagon
LW Blue not wearing jerseys
toxic yacht
rip flash lux for the... third (?) time?
balmy wolf
like, how many of those Asian countries have PC bangs culture?
A lot.
Vietnam, Japan, Korea, China, etc etc
clever wagon
Nah really?
You can't say the third world countries' "PC Bang" is the same as Koreans'
balmy wolf
but they can still play OW on it
clever wagon
This is coming from a third world country resident
balmy wolf
DOTA2, LoL as well.
toxic yacht
Twitter
balmy wolf
and i'm from one of them so I know.
glad chasm
Console gaming being as relatively more popular in NA compared to other parts of the world probably ends up hurting the NA talent pool
digital pond
I mean you can call them thirdworld but those asian countries still play OW
And other esports at top levels
digital pond
I mean they still play be it third world or not
pliant ivy
We have a lot PC bangs in Greece also. I don't know about other southern EU countries
digital pond
Like lag ever stopped people from gaming
balmy wolf
netcafes and PC Bangs are still provide a level of accessibility that NA won't have
balmy wolf
and you seriously underrated the amount of PC bangs out there in those countries, and how quality they are even
clever wagon
Put my country Indonesia as the exception
digital pond
A lot of NA college student don't even play OW cause they only get shit laptops that can't play the game lmao
glad chasm
It's just the relative popularity of console gaming in NA IMO
pliant ivy
ye NA plays console mostly
balmy wolf
I mean you just have a LoL team from Vietnam pummelled TSM to death
digital pond
TSM 
toxic yacht
that probably also relates to why EU is so much better at esports game, especially FPS
balmy wolf
and TSM is a loaded org vs a team that was in backwater GPL
glad chasm
I know the console player base just for OW is much larger in NA than EU to say nothing about the millions of people buying call of duty every year
toxic yacht
PCs are very popular in EU
toxic yacht
I mean, PCs were always really big over here
digital pond
Well I'm speaking mainly of where I'm from in EU
digital pond
Cause when the early gameboyz came out and gamecube and such Console was hella popular
Especially after Halo
But after the Xbox 360 cable issue and house going on fire
People went to PC quickly
Dofus dragged a lot of french players to PC too
clever wagon
Seagull isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a player with such an ability and movement with Genji? Seagull puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a player with his skill and passion for the game again. Surefour breaks records. Sinatra breaks records. Seagull breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic....
pliant ivy
Most of my friends play PC. That's because of the internet cafes. We liked to go out and play LAN games.
toxic yacht
I know that a ton of people in their 20s in german speaking regions where I am from have memories of nolifing CS in internet cafes
also, eastern europe
and northern europe
digital pond
True
toxic yacht
are very PC centric
digital pond
And RolePlay Forums were hella popular. Like NAruto RP
pliant ivy
Quake also
toxic yacht
oh yeah, russia obviously
russia is super PC centric
and you find them in every FPS game
in masses
glad chasm
I think in NA that console is probably equal to or bigger than PC gaming, or at least much closer ratio than probably anywhere else in the world. I do think more people in NA are leaving console to go to PC over the last few years
clever wagon
These Zowie adds are starting to look like cigarette ads we got here in Indonesia
digital pond
Console is still booming in NA because people are insanely desperate for some of the exclusive console games.
Although all those games get ported to PC afterwards.
clever wagon
As in what they put in the ads has barely anything to do with the product itself
digital pond
And usually for cheaper.
balmy wolf
console gaming is just easier to develop, market and sell
which is why it is still alive
clever wagon
JP devs starting to make PC versions says a lot about the gaming industry
digital pond
Of friends coming over and such
pliant ivy
Well it depends a lot what your friends play.
digital pond
Although I wouldn't wanna play ranked in any game with IRL friends especially in the same room.
balmy wolf
that social aspect is long gone now that online playing is a thing though
digital pond
Iono Reign.
pliant ivy
It happened to me with PS
balmy wolf
"yo girl you want to hop over to xbox and chill" - things you will never hear in 2017
digital pond
Most people I met in college still binged Gamecube and N64 game nights
With their boyz
glad chasm
It's the accessibility and social aspect of console gaming in NA plus the fact that microsoft/xbox I would assume have a much larger impact in NA than they would in EU or Asia
toxic yacht
hop over for CSGO and chill
balmy wolf
not back then, i mean now
digital pond
I mean now
I graduated last year
So college isn't ages away
NBA 2k and NFL games on console are hella popular
clever wagon
Anem is old af
digital pond
Especially from sport players who buy them in mass
clever wagon
Grandpa Anem
balmy wolf
I mean current generation PS4 and Xbox One users. Not nostalgic Gamecube/N64 players
toxic yacht
anem is an old man
clever wagon
Great granddad Anem
digital pond
All those people I speak off have both old and new console lol
toxic yacht
he could be my dad
clever wagon
"Tarpon" is just 1 letter away from tampon
digital pond
We did console events in the college often with all kind of consoles.
balmy wolf
EFFECT "I kicked Lui off of the bench"
glad chasm
I think anyone in NA who's interested in esports sees that PC is obviously the way to go outside of like call of duty so I would expect more and more NA people to gradually transition to PC
toxic yacht
lol
pliant ivy
Let see if EFFECT will carry again
digital pond
PS4 and Gamecube yielded the most
clever wagon
What a dangerous choice of in game name, he must love to live life on the edge
toxic yacht
well, at least he's on an active roster now
balmy wolf
EFFECT "I send Lui back home"
toxic yacht
he should fit into FaZe pretty well imo
digital pond
Lui got a free plane right and vacation to Korea
balmy wolf
we still need to see more from him
digital pond
I guess there's that
balmy wolf
Lui is still unproven
toxic yacht
he doesn't seem to take many resources at least
which means that they can focus more on SDB
but yee, we've seen too little of him
balmy wolf
since all we have seen from him is one tourny and some showing with Team "our fans will be swimming in pain and suffering" Liquid
digital pond
I mean EFFECT played well, but I feel like the games would have been hella different if nV was in Rogue's group.
clever wagon
OGN grouping TehePelo
toxic yacht
nV paid OGN to get the same group again lul
balmy wolf
Envy "we will return to Korea if we get the same group last year" Us
toxic yacht
that's my headcanon now
digital pond
I mean they had Flashlux in the group.
glad chasm
It's funny that nV started as a call of duty team and literally none of the original members are still involved with the org
clever wagon
2 consecutive seasons of similar grouping and nobody's screaming this ain't fucking rigged
digital pond
That's 1 insured victory
toxic yacht
I'm still really salty about Rogue and Misfits' groups
moreso Misfits' than Rogue's
Rogue fucked themselves more than Misfits did imo
balmy wolf
my headcanon is that LH paid for someone to rig the group to punished Misfits/Rogue member who beat LH back in APAC
lol
pliant ivy
yea
balmy wolf
so which one those fan girls will offer their thighs for Thighmou now?
glad chasm
I haven't even been all that impressed with nv outside of effect so far
balmy wolf
there's one, lol
toxic yacht
eh, imo they've all been playing very well
taimou actually underperformed the most imo
balmy wolf
Korean "I will fuck a fatty that is Taimou" eFangirl
clever wagon
Taimou doesn't have to show up as much anymore with Effect around
final river
gotta love the signs
glad chasm
I'd agree on taimou's relative underperformance
toxic yacht
it's like people are forgetting that chips kept the entire team healed up as solo support while they ran triple tank
balmy wolf
Who is Effect?
clever wagon
BlessRNG Timo "Finland's gift to eSports" "Taimou" "Thighmou" Kettunen BlessRNG
toxic yacht
libero and saya fit their pool better though
since effect wanted to be on a main roster he left MA
balmy wolf
That's nice
glad chasm
I really just want effect vs sbb tracer battles to happen in top 8 play
clever wagon
Who they
toxic yacht
effect is korean
balmy wolf
WHY ARE THEY LETTING MICKIE DO THE INTERVIEW
clever wagon
Mickie BM just straight to the point
final river
They should tell them " You're a 4.5 to 1 under dog in betting sites, are they wrong?"
glad chasm
Not even can see effect lmao
glad chasm
The trash talk is real for this match
clever wagon
He's still so young
toxic yacht
I liked MIckies "PREPARE FOR GET REKT BY TEAM ENVYAH" last season
balmy wolf
if Bunny LuL become a thing, laughs will be had
clever wagon
People have already started
toxic yacht
I hope that taimou plays widow again for the memes
final river
If bunny screws up at all he's going to be the new esca
glad chasm
I wonder how the Korean chat is responding to the mickie trash talk
toxic yacht
tilting to widow didn't save them from KD Uncia last season :(
then he plays defensive tracer on KR
clever wagon
Why casters always "Metter"
toxic yacht
although KR is like, the worst tracer map in the game
and he isn't even that good at her
clever wagon
Oh that's tame for Timo
balmy wolf
why is Kyky getting listed lol
toxic yacht
neck
clever wagon
Just a simple peace
balmy wolf
sub player eh
clever wagon
God I want those Hyper X's
glad chasm
Modified giraffe neck
clever wagon
I need a headset for gaming
glad chasm
Top meta
toxic yacht
GiraffeHajen
delicate sparrow
I'm glad flower is back tbh. he's consistently one of the most fun players to watch
toxic yacht
he's probably the best DPS in korea
tbh
Kruise actually said something like that back in S1
after scrimming vs him
clever wagon
Will Hammond be a hamster or another monkey? 
delicate sparrow
hammond is winston but with reaper's shotguns duh
pliant ivy
Damn OSASIS
glad chasm
Wow been so long since I've seen oasis!
balmy wolf
did Blizzard pay off OGN again?
clever wagon
Carpe using a towel?
pliant ivy
maps should be RNG
final river
wow i didn't know it was random i thought the teams really liked oasis
balmy wolf
"random"
clever wagon
Oh fuck you Twitch chat
pliant ivy
random anyway
clever wagon
EleGiggle MY NAME IS BUNNY EleGiggle MY ULTS ARE FUNNY EleGiggle I'M IN APEX A LOT EleGiggle BUT I'M WORSE THAN DUMMY EleGiggle
Nobody is worse than Dummy right now
Jesus
balmy wolf
Taimou lul
kindred kiln
taimou the great game thrower
glad chasm
Switched right quick
toxic yacht
bunny getting all of the kills
balmy wolf
nV D:
toxic yacht
also, can people stop always spectating pharah? Normally tracer is the one who gets all the kills
except your pharah is seagull, fl0w3r, surefour or some shit
just don't
also, the EnVyUs stall lol
balmy wolf
nV dive looked shit
crisp lynx
taimou phara 
clever wagon
Jesus Carpe just straight up shredded
balmy wolf
This is not 1080p60
glad chasm
Whew easy
toxic yacht
mickie is the best winston on nV
according to hulk
he said that mickie is the only good winston on the team
delicate sparrow
oasis is really not a good map for nv
toxic yacht
taimou tilt
clever wagon
Not really
balmy wolf
and she can protect against Tracer
supple nymph
why he go windowmaker
clever wagon
DVa has to choose between covering ground level shots or Pharah shots
clever wagon
Unless her teammates stay within her DM all the time
clever wagon
Which obviously isn't the case
toxic yacht
lol
pliant ivy
TAIMOU!
kindred kiln
damn it
toxic yacht
lol
glad chasm
Lmao what was carpe even doing there