Then 2 healers
#esports-discussion
digital pond
red anvil
no i was just just questioning why they were going quad tank, dident read your comment first
was unrelated
digital pond
I mean zarya Rein has been popular in NA on King's Row precisely so I'm not surprised
supple nymph
those guys got absolutely dug up and murdered
digital pond
Oh that Grav was a tad bit early
balmy wolf
Zarya right now is weak against dive
but it is a tank match up
so Zarya is a good pick
digital pond
I mean you're probably right I'm just stating it what is going on right now
NA just likes running her on Kr even against Rogue people did
Selfless did for example
Didn't win them the map doe
supple nymph
those guys can hold off as long as they possibly try
balmy wolf
Corey's sens is 800*4 and I don't even know why his aim is so jitter
considering that is the same sens
that i have
balmy wolf
how tall is he?
digital pond
Not sure he's well over 6
As far as I remember
He talked about it during the EG video
When they got picked up
He has to wrap his arm around to the back of the monitor
Cause he didn't have enough space
balmy wolf
now both of them are dive
what is this
is there some sort of agreement between these twos
digital pond
velvet scarab
kayuun on genji 
digital pond
Yeah I mean he states he usually sets up that way
And he's not used to putting a keyboard in front of the monitor
Cause his arms are so long
balmy wolf
those kind of set up will kind of fuck him once EG come to LAN.
digital pond
Or he could just be jittery by nature
supple nymph
wow what a crammed room
digital pond
Yeh it was their Dota 2 gaming camp
Cause EG never really had a "HQ"
They also have a New York house which is much bigger
But most of EG is closer to West Coast iirc
Bischu survived
LOL
1 hp baby dvas
Sinatraa plz
balmy wolf
now both running tanks
somebody needs to check their discord
they keep mirror match up
red anvil
hahaha thats a really nice counter attack
balmy wolf
Mei completely bypass Zarya and D.va
but 5 ults though
HAHA
Mykl got slept and Remix charged into a Mei ice block
red anvil
frecking hell
digital pond
Satan wins again
crisp lynx
mei is god
red anvil
So nice seing off meta heroes just come and clean the table
digital pond
Splyce did well in Gibraltar a lot of times
balmy wolf
too bad their former coach is stationed right now
wonder what he has to say
he did said the old Kungarna was an internal mess, which probably explained why Kungarna reformed with only the Splyce half
digital pond
holy
supple nymph
so
digital pond
Babybay just opened them up
digital pond
GOLIATH PLZ
red anvil
Kungarna is doing really well against EG, i think this can go either way
they just dident expect that mei at all
digital pond
Yeh
They had their plan and Mei just threw them off
I feel like elkia didn't need that trans
remixx was moving back
red anvil
that was great
toxic yacht
HOLY
red anvil
oh that stagger
toxic yacht
EG threw that so hard
balmy wolf
why is EG not running any Lucio? Dive without Lucio is suicidal
and they are not Rogue.
toxic yacht
well, looks like they stopped throwing
digital pond
2CP is everywhere
red anvil
they just flat out ignored the solider that was fireing at them all the time wasent they?
digital pond
Man I really want dva to fall out of meta again
red anvil
dident see him in the killfeed
won agaonst Yikes? Wth
toxic yacht
corey's monkey
digital pond
Snowballed
red anvil
idm as long as pharahmercy is not in the winning team
toxic yacht
aah, off cancer comp
I feel like the quad tank swap kinda fucked them though tbh
deserved tbh
kayuun...
also, iremix is still alive somehow
red anvil
0-0 they seem very unsure what to do
solid spear
Tilted
toxic yacht
they went quad tank
and now their getting their punishment for it
100% deserved, lul
red anvil
dident expect that hold at the end tho
solid spear
Anything but Pharmercy
toxic yacht
they dipped into shit and the smell stayed on them
solid spear
Yawn
toxic yacht
pharmercy is 100x better than fucking quad tank garbage
red anvil
nopeee
toxic yacht
especially because something liek quad tank really isn't supposed to work
you guys are forgetting how bad the tank meta was
right?
red anvil
it's still more enjoyable to watch then pharahmercy
toxic yacht
like, you guys are actually forgetting how cancer it was
solid spear
Id legit rather watch tanks than Pharmercy
solid spear
And you're acting like I didnt watch them lol
solid spear
Quad tank was also way stronger back then
toxic yacht
I don't care about how strong it is, it's still garbage
especially because it isn't supposed to work
solid spear
Pharmercy still makes me fall asleep
toxic yacht
it relies on broken synergies
balmy wolf
quad tank ironically it is easier to watch than any dive comp.
red anvil
i'm deffo most fond of 2/2/2 gameplay, but i just hate watching pharahmercy just that much
balmy wolf
this meta is actually garbage to watch
wintry matrix
i still think the hate towards quad tank is overblow
solid spear
I mean Ive complained about spectating Pharmercy since like June
Its painfully boring
wintry matrix
it's more about how teams play than composition really
and most pros are meta-slaves/stubborn/unoriginal
balmy wolf
@wintry matrix people just hate it because it is a meta that make DPS characters shit. But ironically it is the meta that is most watchable
toxic yacht
I don't care about supposed watchability
balmy wolf
this meta with 10 different camera switches in 5 seconds is just as equally garbage
solid spear
Im not even defending quad tank I just hate Pharmercy
red anvil
i'm kinda fond of when teams tries old stratergies rather then just following stuffs religously
balmy wolf
not you obviously, even emongg said that this meta is garbage to watch
toxic yacht
if your "old strategies" are garbage that rely on broken synergies
I'd rather not see them
balmy wolf
and to get this into an esport, watchability is kind of important
toxic yacht
because blizz obv doesn't want 4 tanks on one team to be viable
balmy wolf
you mean the period of 4 months where it is the case?
red anvil
obviously not, and it's not really either as proven in this match
but it's fine that they try it out
balmy wolf
Blizzard just really slow in term of balancing
balmy wolf
mainly because they have to try to balance with the plebs too
toxic yacht
becasue it's a sign of more healthy balance
digital pond
I mean varied comps should exist
But I don't think quad tank should be the main one
I like that it isn't
balmy wolf
it is not the main one though
digital pond
I know
toxic yacht
having 4 tanks means that there is a cancerous level of heals available
digital pond
Yeah I've only seen EG run it recently
toxic yacht
LGL ran it
digital pond
But frankly I rather watch neither tank meta nor PharahMercy
digital pond
They're both annoying to watch
balmy wolf
people are quick to proclaim they want a balance meta but then again shit on any strats that are perceived as cancer. You can't have it both way.
toxic yacht
I've also seen it somewhere else
red anvil
pharahmercy is back
solid spear
I mean Pharmercy is just acutally boring af to watch I don't even find it cancer
digital pond
Froma pure spectator point of view pharahmercy doesn't really excite me
I'm glad there's another viable comp of course but yeh.
digital pond
Yeh she's already so popular anyway
red anvil
nothing have made me so sleepy as pharahamercy vs. pharahamercy
toxic yacht
I'm fine with any comp even if I dislike it except it relies on broken crap or obviously was never supposed to exist and just breaks the basic functionality of the game
digital pond
I think the only pharah duel I liked
Was Dafran solo Pharah v LGE Pharahmercy
When he pooped on them
balmy wolf
too bad @toxic yacht breaking the game is what pros do
solid spear
I mean EG tried 4 dps in OMM last week
wintry matrix
and we can't know for sure it something wasn't supposed to exist if the developers don't come and say it
like, comp started with no hero limit
toxic yacht
literally blizzards tooltips give you an idea of how they wanted the game to look
solid spear
Its the same thing you could say tankless comps shouldn't exist
toxic yacht
the amount of dps heroes compared to tanks
is also a sign
sure, they never came out with it
wintry matrix
i think the tool tips are more for begnners than top play
balmy wolf
3 supports comp are cancer then? 🤔
toxic yacht
but everything implies that they never wanted more than 2 tanks to be viable
balmy wolf
and lol Blizzard tool tips
wintry matrix
like, lots of comps got a yellow or red box
balmy wolf
you are taking what Blizzard suggested way too literally
they suggested Widow a defense character
and she is shit on defense
toxic yacht
it was just an example...
the amount of dps/tank heroes is a much bigger indicator
also, heals
something like quad tank only works with a cancerous amount of heals
toxic yacht
they most definitely didn't add twice as many damage dealers so that none can be ran
so?
am I those people?
lol
solid spear
I mean every team just spams the same 4 or 5 damage dealers anyway
balmy wolf
bitching about "cancer" comp is kind of meaningless because if the pros figure out a way to min max the game
they will fucking use it
toxic yacht
sooo?
balmy wolf
because all they cares is winning
toxic yacht
I'm still allowed to express my dislike
people here also constantly bitch about pharmercy
but somehow it's bad when I bitch
👍
lol
balmy wolf
you might as well just tell OW to dump itself for allow it. The difference between you and them is that they never actively said that Pharmercy is breaking the game somehow
toxic yacht
are you seriously implying taht quad tank is supposed to be a thing?
lol
there is a reason why blizz nerfed the shit out of it
wintry matrix
i'd think blizzard wants the bigger number of possible comps possible
balmy wolf
is Pharmercy a thing then? And it was exploitable since the beta
wintry matrix
and when something it's broken, i think it's more something of individual heroes being broken than a comp
digital pond
You'all are tilting me
wintry matrix
hell, Ana didn't even get all the nerfs people wanted and she's already not 100% meta
toxic yacht
pharmercy is completely balanced at this level and not gamebreaking though?
what is even this comparison?
balmy wolf
Quad tank is not even the fucking dominant strats as well
so what exactly are you getting at?
toxic yacht
am I saying that it's dominant?
solid spear
Quad tank is very niche now I dont think the fact that a team could consider running it is bad
toxic yacht
I'm saying that it's cancerous crap and I hate it
balmy wolf
Quad tank is just about as balance as any other strats at the moment
balmy wolf
so complaining it that it is cancerous is silly to me.
toxic yacht
I just said that it's cancer, and I'm fine with teams not really running it
wintry matrix
now kiss
solid spear
<3
toxic yacht
💋
solid spear
Who is McCree
toxic yacht
LMAO
digital pond
MILK freely shooting
solid spear
That was so scrappy
balmy wolf
corey sus as fuck
solid spear
Polo pls
If tempo wins its because i threw not because they played good remember that chat
Dafran lul
balmy wolf
Corey is suspect but somehow Mykl and Babybay aren't
I think the whole reason TSM didn't want the other halves of Kungarna was how suspected Mykl and Babybay was
and they didn't want another Code7
toxic yacht
I found mykl and corey pretty sus, but I don't really wanna bring this up
moreso mykl tbh
babybay also has a massive black mark with the whole Flex thing in CSGO
solid spear
I mean its the same thing as Code7 as you said even though TJOs (probably) dont cheat in this game TSM still wanted no part
toxic yacht
balmy wolf
where is @nimble bobcat when you need him lol
supple nymph
toxic yacht
taimou actually clipped one of corey's Cree clips and rewatched it because it was sketchy af, lul
floral harness
Kaiser is such a nice guy
solid spear
This is a fact tbh
floral harness
balmy wolf
https://clips.twitch.tv/DreamyAmericanAmazonPogChamp @solid spear
toxic yacht
fuck, I was too slow
floral harness
Taimou's face is priceless
solid spear
I mean everyone in protalk defintely suspects him so 🤷
balmy wolf
vestal mortar
toxic yacht
wot, dafran mei
supple nymph
troll plays
solid spear
Dadfran pls
supple nymph
is selfless getting worse or other teams better
digital pond
I think it's a mix of both
digital pond
And a lot of teams figuring out exactly HOW to beat them in practice
Instead of just in theory
solid spear
I don't think they're getting worse
toxic yacht
I like how thighmou said it: "Selfless looks like they hate each other right now"
lmfao, that tac visor dodge
red anvil
that team needs to sort itself out
toxic yacht
why is selfless throwing so many ults...
digital pond
I think thought
It's nice selfless is trying different things
Especially trying to get someone to go back to Genji'
And sinatraa is prob the best choice to take off hitscan
For it
balmy wolf
Sinatraa's Genji is nowhere near the level that they needed. This feels like Selfless is experimentating to try to see if they can apply their style to dive.
toxic yacht
their ult economy is complete garbage tbh
digital pond
Of course it's isn't at the level hasn't played it in forever.
toxic yacht
they're just lucky that their reking NA teams
digital pond
It is howerver good theya re trying it. If they had to decide between someone getting off hitscan to play/learn it
Def had to be sinatraa
digital pond
It is
toxic yacht
his engages and the fights he takes/how he moves in
digital pond
He hasn't played it in pro scene in like ever
toxic yacht
he obviously has no pro genjie experience
digital pond
Or in general
toxic yacht
or not a lot
digital pond
Him and Dafran both tried out on Genji for selfless originally they pubstompped on it
But they never got much time on it afterwards.
solid spear
Well I'm glad they're experimenting at the very least
supple nymph
MEI
supple nymph
QUITE A BIT OF MEI HERE TODAY
toxic yacht
selfless...
red anvil
lol wat
supple nymph
dafran is gonna have a mental breakdown
digital pond
I fucking love Dream
toxic yacht
lmfao
balmy wolf
somebody clearly watched C9 vs Selfless last month.
toxic yacht
they're throwing
digital pond
Riiiip
red anvil
LOL did he just nano frozen rein?
digital pond
Iono maybe they're not getting as much good scrims as they would like.
Some people complained about them leaving scrims once they start losing. Doesn't give any practice for when things go badly.
And how they might stop scrimming them
digital pond
Not against all teams but against some.
toxic yacht
and even if, server room would also have worked
digital pond
Yeh
toxic yacht
that tiny af place was just asking to die
digital pond
LegitRC
Is their coach
Never really scene him but I know he talked about sinatraa and adjusting him
Some weeks ago
And how he was doing well
Dva 
supple nymph
yep
balmy wolf
why did he fall with that flank
red anvil
staggered himself so much
red anvil
thats so beautiful play
solid spear
Why would Michael not ult at the end
supple nymph
dafran rage 6/10
red anvil
I just wane see him rage again honestly, i have no respect for him anymore
toxic yacht
probably losing like that does bad things to your morale and synergy :(
especially if one of them fucking tilts the sword
red anvil
throwing is the lowest of low you can do, and then you do it in the pro scene?
solid spear
._.
toxic yacht
I mean, to play the devil's advocate
digital pond
Oh dive
toxic yacht
the game was pretty much lost
still immature and retarded af
especially since there was a tiny chance for a recap
supple nymph
get fucked selfless
digital pond
Emongg with the saves
supple nymph
oh they deed it
red anvil
deamn
digital pond
As always
toxic yacht
emongg
toxic yacht
seriously, emongg makes me hard af
digital pond
He just has a solid ability to flex
And not be trash on things he flexes too
He's practicing Genji a lot on a smurf.
supple nymph
DEAD
digital pond
Sinatraa plz
toxic yacht
sinatraa...
supple nymph
tempo new top 4 team
toxic yacht
TiG fucking saving the game
digital pond
My hype is just selfless experimenting
And trying to play other things.
Flexibility of comp is so important
toxic yacht
I don't think that they give a fuck anymore
tbh
now that they can't win the melee anymore they'll stop playing with their comp
and try to figure new shit out
they've probably been scrimming this for a while
digital pond
PRobably
But that's why i'm saying experimenting
Tryiong in scrim v tournament isn't the same
Never forget Dummy 2k16
digital pond
Dream has always been a monster tbh
supple nymph
LOL
digital pond
Surprised he stuck with the TS roster
supple nymph
DEADFRAN
toxic yacht
kazpr
red anvil
deamn x.x
digital pond
That was a closer game then anyone expected it to be
2ez is melding pretty well with them
supple nymph
no GG?
toxic yacht
tempo should have won that tbh
supple nymph
lol
digital pond
Saying GG right now would be liuke saying GR
toxic yacht
sinatraa's teabags are my lifeblood
supple nymph
HEAD BLOWN CLEAN OFF
digital pond
Rip
digital pond
lmao
JKW
That was insanely close
TS is looking better and better
Kungarna undefeated
Oh RNG
Been a while
red anvil
They did
supple nymph
digital pond
Music choices for the stream is actually really good this time around.
solid spear
Didnt catch the end of the Selfless series how was my Dad?
supple nymph
see clip
supple nymph
no hope
supple nymph
so in like
30 mins?
less at the rate it's going
what is even happening
someone telll me
digital pond
Manga has been spamming hanzo a lot
supple nymph
i didnt realize clg was bad
digital pond
Him and mendo agree he's much better regularly
balmy wolf
man, who here remember Tviq running Hanzo on Nepal Sanctum?
digital pond
Well CLG is another team that's pharahmercy dependant
balmy wolf
Pepperide remember
supple nymph
i cant remember ever seeing hanzo on nepal
digital pond
And they aren't running it
supple nymph
???
digital pond
So
balmy wolf
@supple nymph look up Rogue vs LH APAC Final
spring lintel
I hope teams become better because it's mostly boring to watch
digital pond
manga lol
balmy wolf
nobody remember old Rogue and Tviq
i'm tilting
thats because everyone here only started watching post Open
that was post Open though
digital pond
Zacharee literally was so easy to figure out
supple nymph
what an upset
balmy wolf
I'm using the Open as like a benchmark
supple nymph
NA ranks going to be reversed after this tournament
balmy wolf
I know for a fact 2 of the people in here now started watching within the last like 6 months or less
mind you, I was refering more to the casters
not people in here
then again RivalCade caster is ResidentSleeper
digital pond
Rivalcade casters came in late
Heurix and storm were still with GW2 for a bit
Before investing more into OW
balmy wolf
even compare to APEX casters who actually aware that LW Red won one of the earlier Gosugamers weeklies
they are kind of ignorant
kind of tilting as someone who religiously follow pro OW to the point of being a walking encyclopedia
Mangachu doing his best Seagull impression
with his Hanzo, Pharah and Mei
too bad no Genji lol
digital pond
Primo is getting a lot of good shatters
supple nymph
caw
digital pond
Shaking your screen = unhookable
balmy wolf
LDLC won against EG? What is this
toxic yacht
lol
balmy wolf
Evil "we are a flash in the pan" Geniuses
toxic yacht
would be nice if they'd write the fuckin song title there...
the one time they have goot music
okay, I take back what I said
solid spear
lul
toxic yacht
btw, did selfless lose?
supple nymph
needs to go dva
toxic yacht
voll has been playing genji for a while now
when they run triple dps they always do that iirc
digital pond
Everyone dps onb that team has taken turn playig genji at this point
balmy wolf
Kaiser pulling a Dafran
digital pond
HEY GUYS DID YOU SEE THAT HE DID A DAFRAN
toxic yacht
lol
digital pond
Yay gods camera!
digital pond
They were down 0-2
solid spear
and didnt feel like playing
digital pond
Guess they considered it not worth
supple nymph
solid spear
man bs hooks
I know the first one washim dying but still the hook breaks in plain sight pulls shit in weird spots all the time nowadays
solid spear
working as intended lul
balmy wolf
LG Evil doesn't look half bad playing dive
solid spear
I mean in general LG Evil is better than people give them credit for
even when theyre "slumping" they get good wins
solid spear
oh I was talking more generally
digital pond
KOREAN SYNERGY
balmy wolf
Numbani third point, where dreams go to die
solid spear
so many shitty visors today lol
balmy wolf
Train and Avast fucking carry lol
balmy wolf
xQC getting shit on on the chat lol
supple nymph
c9
solid spear
wow RNG went 3-0
balmy wolf
C9 this 
C9 that Im a retard in twitch chat
supple nymph
LOL! C9 did it again! 4Head Hilarious! 4Head
clever wagon
4Head
WOW
LIFE WITHOUT MERCY BOT
SO MUCH MORE BEAUTIFUL
WITH THE TWITCH EMOTES
balmy wolf
yeah
solid spear
;_;
clever wagon
TehePelo
balmy wolf
I'll cheer for Kungarna if somehow the seeding resulted in YIKES getting their ass shoved
clever wagon
Time to become a Twatch chat retard~
solid spear
geometry
supple nymph
c9
balmy wolf
what's the next match?
supple nymph
gfe vs c9
pine star
Gods 
supple nymph
that mic range
pine star
It's frustrating to listen to the casters hyped for an off-stream sleep dart
balmy wolf
ex GFE is making C9 fight for every inch
pine star
Surefour getting out-pharahed
feral solar
agreed
balmy wolf
too bad EU is more competitive 
balmy wolf
so only EG is the invited one that flunked out of the group stage
balmy wolf
what
supple nymph
share how you founded meme reddit and stole the reddit championship #2
supple nymph
depends how you interpret it
balmy wolf
Not really lol
balmy wolf
more like you always annoy me with pings and go off topic
supple nymph
💔
delicate sparrow
I forgot gods used to play a ton of tracer tbh
glad chasm
OT but IMO saebyeolbe is the best tracer in the world
wary falcon
sbb good but not best (effect best)
rapid oxide
vestal mortar
EscA
clever wagon
EscA charcoal ❤
Guy just wanna have fun, try his best and win games
GivePLZ Take my energy EscA TakeNRG
toxic yacht
I love how the sub suddenly started an anti soon circlejerk, lul
balmy wolf
gotta bow down to your KR overlords
toxic yacht
Yeah, lul. SoOn loses and suddenly he's and overrated tracer onetrick, lol
balmy wolf
as Pyyyour said, there's a right time to lose and wrong time to lose.
this is good for Rogue to get back to the drawing board
they picked up some shit NA habits
clever wagon
Little do we know that it's actually part of Hulk's plan to smash Rogue's ego and force some humility, flexibility and adaptability into Rogue boys
Yeh
balmy wolf
this meta is hard to analyze tbh
since it is so depended on micro plays
and the constant camera jump make it AIDS to spectate
clever wagon
I just want an independent client based spectating system like Valve's
balmy wolf
nah, gotta wait for about 10 more patches and about 100+ skins
clever wagon
Come OWL English is most likely the primary broadcasting language so might as well add the in-game casting via voice chat too
Lol
balmy wolf
Blizzard is not Valve
Valve at least is in tune with their hardcore audience
Blizzard had been more casual since ever
last hardcore game from them was what, Warcraft 3?
Diablo 3 was hot garbage
is probably in tune with their audience
balmy wolf
I wonder
even as large of a sub as r/OW
the amount of cocurrent users seems to be around 4 digits at most
which is low for a sub that large
and even then
r/OW is just one region
mostly NA
so taking feedback from just one region is kind of shit
clever wagon
You'll never know
midnight lynx
what means esports xD
rapid oxide
No Geguri 
toxic yacht
called it the moment they left the qualifiers
I still find it amusing that hammers gets to lose the finals twice and still gets an invite
I'm happy that the three qualifier teams got in, but I can't help but laugh at this tbh
rapid oxide
Is it in Krefeld?
forest raven
Yeah
toxic yacht
yee
rapid oxide
200€ fly 😒
rapid oxide
is what google says to me
vestal mortar
I will save up to go to Poland for the World Cup instead
toxic yacht
I can probably get it cheaper if I fuck around a bit (not literally reeee), but I'm not planning on going anyway and I couldn't if I wanted to
rapid oxide
i've exams 😭
rapid oxide
Honestly, it's not too much worth
Like... Its not a stadium or smth
As tara pointes out, going to WC would be better
red anvil
Trying to watch the C9 vs. Good VOD from last night, all the pharahmercy is making me wane puke
wintry matrix
does Soon actually playing anything else at top level?
toxic yacht
SoOn was the main hitscan of misfits
plays a really good McCree and Reaper
the problem is
he basically has the exact same hero pool like aKm
and aKm plays everything apart from Tracer and maybe Reaper at a higher level than SoOn
SoOn can also dibble into Genji while aKm can slip into Pharah
wintry matrix
but Nico is their genji, so
toxic yacht
SoOn just shouldn't be on Rogue imo
he's very good
but he's almost like a worse version of aKm
rapid oxide
Kickerino incoming 
toxic yacht
both very good hitscans, but they really shouldn't be on the same team
wintry matrix
was Luminosity good before the trade?
rapid oxide
No
wintry matrix
when push comes to shove, that trade looks worse and worse
tho i guess Misfits looks somewhat fine
rapid oxide
Twitter
toxic yacht
Misfits looks very good tbh, if they could actually get their shit together they have the potential to be one of the best teams in ow
emphasis on "if they could get their shit together"
we will see how much has changed at TakeOver
forest raven
If Misfits doesn't make at the very least a top 4 finish there's gonna be some questions raised
toxic yacht
I still believe that old Rogue during late Beyblade was probably the best OW team
ever
up to this day
if Misfits doesn't get to top 4 then 
admittedly, EU is very competitive atm, much more than NA
tiers aren't really as cleary defined here, a ton of teams seem like they could just beat each other on a good day
forest raven
Historically, Rogue and Movistar are coming into this as favourites
toxic yacht
I honestly feel like Rogue is gonna get rekt
rapid oxide
Sojum pls
toxic yacht
They missed out half a year of practice with teams at their level
and picked up many bad habits in NA while the teams that they scrimmed with to make them this good kept playing each other and getting better
rapid oxide
What bad habist?
toxic yacht
According to Reinforce EU teams have also developed triple dps counters
rapid oxide
Being mediocre?
toxic yacht
mostly their ult economy
it's garbage
but they can just throw ults anyhow and win off the back of pure mechanical skill
didn't really work out in Korea anymore
forest raven
NA domination was bad for Rogue
toxic yacht
just like with EnVyUs
rapid oxide
They relaxed too much
toxic yacht
yeah
they probably never felt the need to really improve, especially since only 2 teams ever came close to beating them
rapid oxide
A bit to improve
Just to don't get 3 2
But that's it
If someone is dominanting you
You want to fucking rekt them
wintry matrix
that weirds me, how someone in ther position don't feel the need to improve
especially with how OW changes meta every now and then (this is looking to be the most stable, but who knows)
toxic yacht
they were too busy memeing on twitter while dominating a weaker region
forest raven
I want C9 to win TakeOver, but realistically speaking, no way they surpass teams like Movistar, Misfits and eUnited
toxic yacht
they probably started feeling invincible
wintry matrix
still, they should have know that they still had to beat korean
rapid oxide
How yoy play is working
wintry matrix
you can't be overconfident about them
rapid oxide
Why change?
forest raven
And teams in the west have known since November they need to practice 2cp
toxic yacht
oh yeah, and nico also choked on LAN
rapid oxide
Why improve?
toxic yacht
which seriously hurt them
he started playing decently during their LH match
which was too fucking late
I don't know about other EU teams, but Misfits practiced a ton of 2cp during APEX
forest raven
I'm glad C9 was invited to TakeOver because it'll help them improve immensely in comparison to just scrimming in NA and playing shitty online tourneys
toxic yacht
the fucky thing is that they just got a new member and have a few days to practice with him
forest raven
Yeah and they already beat the team that had beat them the previous two times they'd played
rapid oxide
LH new banner 🙈 http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/sites/default/files/styles/scale_xlarge/public/upload/banner_finalfight_skt.jpg
rapid oxide
Im trolling
forest raven
Bringing who is arguably the best MT in the world and putting Gods on flex again
Though CLG will probably beat them
toxic yacht
tbh Gods and Surefour as a DPS duo sounds so wrong
forest raven
kek
toxic yacht
back in the day it was always Seagull and Gods vs Surefour and Reaver
now it's suddenly Gods and Surefour
forest raven
And Reaver has fallen into an obscurity of alcoholism
And Seagull has fallen into a pile of money
toxic yacht
the more I watch the more the whole "jumping NRG ship" theory seems likely
tbh
it's like he saw that there was no hope and just decided to keep his name clean
forest raven
If I was Seagull, I could be on Lunatic-Hai and still leave the roster
toxic yacht
he did say that he enjoys competing more than streaming multiple times
forest raven
Yeah true
wintry matrix
he also said he was burnout (and bad results prob didn't help)
forest raven
Streamers like Seagull easily makes millions of dollars per year
toxic yacht
I love how their mics died, lul
https://clips.twitch.tv/FlaccidBloodyJuiceUnSane
Q U A L I T Y
wintry matrix
it's these little things that really hype up
last lantern
yeah the casters mics were just depressing
rapid oxide
"Real team doesn't stream tryouts" 
last lantern
theres no real need to stream tryout
fierce geode
i get that some players don't want to be streamed but if you're gonna stream something it may as well be tryouts
fierce geode
i mean they didn't did they?
fierce geode
slasher isn't even on the committee?
didn't think so
i don't give a rat's ass what that pineapple thinks then
acting like he have power decision
last lantern
honestly the comitee voting was so depressing
rapid oxide
Twitter
fierce geode
it's very american to have someone out of power pushing their way in though