#esports-discussion
clever wagon
Also dank EU memers
@balmy wolf meme Reddit for Contenders when? I think I might flip my shit if it doesn't happen
balmy wolf
its not happening lol
supple nymph
pine star
Dafran's laugh is up there with Timo's and Harry's lol
pine star
I've never heard Num laughing lol
solid spear
you dont remember come dumpster for heals?
supple nymph
@pine star https://youtu.be/P_D18eOBm68?t=7m33s
pine star
That's nothing compared to he laughing in come dumpster for heals LOL
Grog SourPls
Recording I think
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pine star
lol
supple nymph
they are talking about it on the stream
pine star
YOU GUESS WRONG
clever wagon
Tbf
supple nymph
monte is so right
pine star
Yup
pine star
He's got a point
supple nymph
when they had the reddit championship 2 they didnt even promote it at all
like, whatsoever
anywhere
really frustrating to see
clever wagon
Then I think of the misleading and misinformed bullshits that might end up infesting r/cow
pine star
I just gave up to the main sub a long time ago
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I appreciate when some of the mods try to push some esports content there
Like Sprite does
But
Yeah
It's pretty much a wasteland
clever wagon
It's really not the mods' fault mostly
pine star
I know
clever wagon
The terribly casual-- no, that's not even the worst problem
The misinformation
Lik geezus
digital pond
I got the for posts and info about events mainly \0.0/
clever wagon
I don't
But it's because it's the main sub
The fucking terrible one liner joke posts
The highlights
digital pond
Aside from events i don't really go there.
I check r/cow twice and then i just play games.
clever wagon
Like holy fuck they're starting to look really lame
Esp the terrible one liner joke posts
They say people don't want to spend time looking through quality content worth 10+ minutes
Yet they waste time opening a post that only contains a fucking shit one line joke
pine star
That's just what the sub has become
clever wagon
And upvote them
pine star
And the more time passes, the more difficult it is to "correct"
pine star
Not the first time he's said that though lol
digital pond
The big issue is a lot of people already involved in esport outside of OW do that.
The main sub reddit has everything including the esport match summaries and such
People aren't gonna go to r/ow and then look around for 15 minutes to find r/cow on the sidebar
digital pond
Lmao
limber pine
my shitting on r/ow mods sense is tingling
pine star
👀
supple nymph
👀
limber pine
❤
supple nymph
do you go against the overwhelming popular need for gifs and alienate most of your subs
🤷
once they integrate highlight sharing
they're gonna be everywhere
like cockroaches
limber pine
Contenders should be fun
hopefully it'll get a lot of people interested in the process
limber pine
that was quick
pine star
Repost reeeeeee
limber pine
dpsstanky is in it for all of what, an hour?
balmy wolf
2 hours.
pine star
lmfao
pine star
tbf I don't blame the guy
Going pro is certainly not for everyone
He just couldn't handle it I guess
pine star
Yeah
limber pine
at least, more consistant than being an OW pro 
limber pine
I'm still waiting for the day Seagull says he won't come back to the pro scene
should be interesting
pine star
I mean
OWC is like the entry point for OWL
And what is he doing? Putting up a stream meme team
¯_(ツ)_/¯
limber pine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pine star
lmao Thorin is such a dick
digital pond
I feel the same way he does.
It's my favorite word in the english language
And boy does it throw people around
digital pond
Thorin with power 
pine star
i swear to me mom ill rekt u u little cunt
supple nymph
fookin casuals ill put the kibosh on 'em
jagged crater
wtf he was ona team?
pine star
?
pine star
Oh
jagged crater
t2 in NA or worldf
balmy wolf
in NA
jagged crater
ok that makes sense
balmy wolf
think of all the pro teams are T1
and highly ranked amateur are T2
and DSP's is merely gatekeeper for T2
jagged crater
i would split pro teams between t1 and t2
cuz there are clear better pro teams out there
pine star
^
jagged crater
yea if we're consdiering world, dsp would be t3
delicate sparrow
chichen connoisseurs was pretty good for a t2 team
they did alright against EG iirc
balmy wolf
eh, they are gatekeepers.
and been banging on the ACOL for like weeks
but everyone else keep beating them
jagged crater
i'll keep you behind my gate iykwim
anyway i havent been watrching dpstanky so i had no idea he was playing competitively
where does it say only masters+ can join OWC
is that current or high
jagged crater
might be a quick way to weed out the lesser players but doesnt matter either way
maybe some "good" players dont play MM at all and only play scrims
delicate sparrow
yeah
I know a lot of the time surefour will just decay all the way back down to 3k
doesn't mean he isn't still surefour
supple nymph
@balmy wolf have any secret discord invites to OC ?
supple nymph
😦
pine star
Slasher Ele Giggle
jagged crater
does slasher make all the secret discords
pine star
Apparently
limber pine
just the one
balmy wolf
it is NRG
balmy wolf
this is in relation to Harb's Twitch clip
where he said that NRG plays better in scrim than in tournament
lol
supple nymph
im sure every team does ?
balmy wolf
eh, not really
ManofSnow back in Renegades said about how at one point they were losing scrims a lot
but they qualified for NGE after
supple nymph
🤔
delicate sparrow
hey it's pookz
delicate sparrow
the other nrg lucio that got kicked off the team
clever wagon
Jesus quit being so judgemental
solid spear
Seija pls
supple nymph
pine star
lmao
tired escarp
balmy wolf
@supple nymph which thread is that
and also, lol
tfw Ajax is so shit that they dont even want him back in Kungarna
blazing parrot
lol really
tough wind
?
reign i feel like u call me shit in every discord u r in
like 5 of them
u need an award
balmy wolf
and?
tough wind
😂
balmy wolf
Idgaf, if people are underperforming and whatever i'll say it outright
tired escarp
balmy wolf
I don't think I can make assumptions when there are mountains of vods of NRG out there
balmy wolf
oh you mean against the sterling competitive level that was Citizen 7, Faze Clan, Renegades, LG Royal and Col?
wintry matrix
well, as much it's annoying to still be talking about NRG, like i said many times, i don't think you can harp their problems to a single player
or rather
tough wind
this is where i leave the conversation because ur irrational, assuming, witch hunting, and just flat cber bullying
wintry matrix
it's clearly something about team synergy/strategizing/comms/whatever
tough wind
well yah its a clip on the reddit, harb said it again
the team has a whole has a hard time playing as a team
thats why we lost
balmy wolf
I mean, NRG had a coach, and they insisted on running Zarya up to the same spot like a bunch of lemmings.
so at this point you have to question everything
tired escarp
FeelsBadMan
tough wind
we disagreed on a lot of core fundamental things
anyways im dipping, i dont feel like going down this rabbit hole again
i dont need to prove anything to some redditer
clever wagon
There's really no need to
wintry matrix
like, we aren't there with team, there's no 100% way to know what's wrong
delicate sparrow
then don't. people are going to talk shit. you don't have to prove yourself every time it happens
wintry matrix
as far as i know, could be that Ajax poured crack cocaine on their drinks
balmy wolf
then again, I'm not the one trying to gather sympathy by going on to differnet discord and pretend that "i'm just here to meme"
clever wagon
Jesus do you have like a personal vendetta or smth?
wintry matrix
tbh i think you both are making unecessary drama
clever wagon
I mean I'll admit I also think NRG has issues but damn
pine star
This is most entertaining
wintry matrix
i mean, if i want endless overblown shitting of someone i just go to twitch chat
pure kettle
really? only twitch? I find it best to sample all Social Media has to offer.
wintry matrix
t. chat is the first example that comes to mind, also the one i dislike the most
toxic yacht
Chicken connoisseurs, stanky's team
balmy wolf
Sorry guys I'm kind of new
But did overwatch esports start in november 2016?
Or did it start way before that
forest raven
Started in the beta of the game
People were playing competitively in teams in closed beta
balmy wolf
But like how bout competitive teams
Cause the overwatch league was announced in november right?
gentle shuttle
first vid in forever @toxic yacht season finale 😦
it's been around since october 2015 at the very least
but could've been before that.
forest raven
There were and are major LAN's and online tournaments happening
balmy wolf
Ok
forest raven
2016 had the Atlantic Showdown in August, the Overwatch Open in September, APAC 2016 in October
balmy wolf
How bout professional teams like envyus
toxic yacht
Since early 2016
forest raven
EnVyUS got into Overwatch in February 2016
jovial eagle
what'd i miss
toxic yacht
5 EU and 1 Murican during their domination, 5 EU and 1 Asian later
balmy wolf
So is the overwatch league the equivalent of the lcs in lol?
forest raven
The org is based in NA, so for the purposes of tournaments, they're NA
balmy wolf
contenders?
jovial eagle
yeah
that
whoever's managing overwatch's competitive scene is trying really hard lol
as in they want a monopoly
rapid oxide
clever wagon
What the fuck
final river
Envy playing in a few hours
Seems like it was just yesterday they pulled off that crazy reverse sweep
rapid oxide
100% they gonna win
final river
what odds can i get on a bet?
balmy wolf
Team Envy "we return to KR because OGN promised us an easy group again"
rapid oxide
https://twitter.com/Soembie/status/866935352614948864 SOE in Germany for Anniversary event @pine star 
Twitter
rapid oxide
rapid oxide
rapid oxide
where did you say that bets?
final river
just reading what you wrote
rapid oxide
i mean... where do you look for odds for OW matches? : )
final river
oh , Jackie wrote something
rapid oxide
Tracer Cosplay
final river
The match is listed on some EU betting sites, envy is at like 1.10 odds
So massively favored.
So is conbox, it would be cool to see an upset
glad chasm
So not really much to expect out of either of these matches right?
final river
Even if its a blow out the chat will be pretty entertaining
feral solar
most likely not but you never know
final river
They said Flash hasn't won a map yet
toxic yacht
I mean, I'm not gonna watch it
feral solar
aw they almost had that point
final river
yup they blew it already
glad chasm
Garlic which chat? Twitch chat?
final river
Twitch of course
glad chasm
Twitch chat for this is pure cancer imo. I'm usually just full screen
final river
ya I can understand that, I like the chat though
glad chasm
I like chat for most things but too many memes and c9 spam during this for my tastes
toxic yacht
the c9 spam isn't even correct
final river
End of round = c9
glad chasm
I don't follow the challenger or whatever play in tourney for this but how mediocre are the teams in that if flash lux was able to make it thru
final river
Is there a cap on the amount of alternate players they can have?
It would be funny if after a bad game the coach swapped the whole team.
OK maybe this is kind of sad
clever wagon
Whos playing bois
feral solar
CONBOX VS. Flash Lux | EnVyUs VS. RG Wings
final river
Conbox is on their way to 3:0 versus flash
clever wagon
NV is what matters so hopefully I can make it home in time
feral solar
atleast its a quick one
they way this is going you might need to hurry
but there will be ad break after this game
toxic yacht
tbh the match is going to be a complete stomp
I'm only watching it to see nV
because we see them so rarely
feral solar
orisa pick cause they feel confident af
kindred kiln
i think it's first time someone plays orisa on apex
toxic yacht
nah
feral solar
that was fast
kindred kiln
not sure if bm or pro strat
toxic yacht
Meta Athena did the Torbrisa thing
kindred kiln
ah right
final river
omg this slaughter
toxic yacht
rip flash lux
made it to apex 3 times, got rekt 3 times
tbh I don't know if they made it in S1
final river
I wonder what they are saying to themselves now
toxic yacht
...pc bang team ftw?
feral solar
amazing potg
red anvil
Orisa ❤
glad chasm
So what did they say in the pregame interview for this match? Any good lines?
feral solar
i wasnt looking at the screen so not sure
red anvil
it ended 2 - 0 on 1st match right?
feral solar
yehh
red anvil
lol that was a nice pick
glad chasm
Asher got pretty rekt against LW Blue and he's been pretty dominant here. Just goes to show how much of a gap
red anvil
I was talking about Architects quick widow switch
But yeah double pulse bomb was sweet tho
glad chasm
Thing I said about asher is a separate observation from what you said
red anvil
aha fair enuff
glad chasm
This veil dude is pretty lost at this level
red anvil
The healers just instantly dies, so not him at all
glad chasm
That last pulse trying to get Ana when his teams already down 1 was a terrible play
red anvil
every fight they have been without a healers thanks to ashers
glad chasm
It's really both him and the healers
You don't get destroyed like this because of 1 person
glad chasm
I feel bad for weeso
red anvil
this is gg
glad chasm
Weeso's played a solid dva here everyone else just about got trucked
balmy wolf
mfw I get 3-0'd http://i.imgur.com/59W6O9j.png
solid spear
Flash Lux > NRG 
feral solar
"flash lux or kr NRG"
toxic yacht
rip pc bang team
glad chasm
Wonder how that org feels about their teams performance there
toxic yacht
they don't have an org
hence why I call them pc bang team
they literally practice in PC bangs
red anvil
20 min to next match or?
balmy wolf
NV = 
NV + Effect = 
final river
oh well then they're probably happy just being there.
glad chasm
So they just randomly made the unis themselves and just pay for anything out of pocket?
toxic yacht
they buy crazy cheap and faulty equipment
with their own money
last season someone had to borrow a FL guy a headset or something
because he used earplugs or some shit
and they broke
glad chasm
Glad you're around to drop all this flash lux knowledge. Goddamn
Props for knowing all that
kindred kiln
yeah,but runaway perform seemingly better. not as good without kaiser,but still, they got chances to at least get to playoffs
red anvil
Esport is big in Korea, if you have the chance to play competitivly you take it
broke or not
glad chasm
I'm just surprised there's nobody better than flash lux to take one of those last spots
toxic yacht
yee, it was a 3$ headset he had
toxic yacht
after the story came out some company boughtt them gaming gear though
glad chasm
Or invited more than 2 non kr teams I guess
toxic yacht
can't wait to never watch my boi lui
https://i.imgur.com/sUcsZoO.png
balmy wolf
like who lol
red anvil
yeah like i would be suprised teams like that dont have sponsors honestly
red anvil
but there is a lot of garbage peripherals in that tourmament
glad chasm
@balmy wolf idk man but can't say it's good for the competitive scene where you have a 16 team tournament and there's that big of a gap between flash and seemingly anyone else
final river
What kind of trash talk can rhino say when they are massive underdogs
red anvil
Flux's score season 2, wow 1 - 9
balmy wolf
Well the teams they did beat to get to S3 were only teams like AF red and MVP Infinity
There isnt really better korean teams
And they're not going to invite more foreign teams
toxic yacht
probably their faces when nV rams their asses, lul
red anvil
At least Flux is used to losing now
glad chasm
I mean I'm just surprised there's so little depth even at a tournament like this for Flux to get dismantled like that by the 3rd place team in their pool
balmy wolf
Can't wait to see my boy EFFECT light up the killfeed like an arsonist
red anvil
Effect is such a great dps
toxic yacht
I 
DREAM OF A DAY WHEN THE GIRLS STOP HIDING THEIR FACES SO THAT I CAN SEE THE CUTE ONES
final river
wasn't he the top of the chinese ladder
red anvil
Chinese? Hes korean
glad chasm
I really wanna see some effect vs saebyeolbe tracer battles at some point. Hope they get to play each other
final river
nice Rhino says they're bad
red anvil
Hes Rank #3 in korea
final river
lmao
toxic yacht
I don't get korean's obsession with weird ass filters
forest raven
Plain bad
final river
oh is he? I thought some team picked up the #1 chinese ladder , maybe I'm thinking of a different team
glad chasm
They said effect was #1 on kr ladder during their last match
forest raven
EFFECT was, quite recently, #1 and #2 on the KR ladder
#1 with his main #2 with his Genji account
toxic yacht
Chips is a giraffe now
red anvil
whats his gengu account?
toxic yacht
EFFECTIVE /s
red anvil
yarg?
final river
wow that's nuts
red anvil
wait thats not a genji acc
kindred kiln
oh,it seems like one way or another, envy loses today
toxic yacht
dude
red anvil
Most likely another fine
final river
Double agent
kindred kiln
still better thah those LuckyPants that battlenet auto-generates for you
toxic yacht
Taimou on Cree
balmy wolf
Mickie rein
toxic yacht
balmy wolf
toxic yacht
also, mickie rein
supple nymph
SOMBRA
balmy wolf
baited
red anvil
good start for wings
toxic yacht
tbh taimou's cree has looked a bit rusty since rivalcade
more inconsistent than usually
red anvil
He missed what 5 shots on that sombra?
kindred kiln
how to use 5 ults and still lose a fight
pine star
nV choking?
supple nymph
c9
glad chasm
Just go ahead and keep cam on effect pls
wary falcon
why nV choking? what do you mean?
pine star
How's my boy Lui doing in that bench?
wary falcon
my boy effect will wreck this filthy koreans
pine star
I'm just asking lol, I'm not watching rn
red anvil
A bit of a shame seeing Lui benched
glad chasm
Wow effect just dicked on that 76
red anvil
lol that ult
forest raven
Taimou switched 50% too late
supple nymph
c9
glad chasm
Hey so this is what a competitive match looks like!
balmy wolf
Taimou new aKm? 
toxic yacht
yee, mondatta's gold
pine star
EnVy meme mode hype 
toxic yacht
mfw the west still sux at koth
supple nymph
oh god
balmy wolf
glad chasm
Gg
final river
that was Rhino's chance
red anvil
Suprised if this dont end 3-0
supple nymph
ALL THEIR CHIPS IN ONE BASKET
wary falcon
I will be surprised if this will end 3-0
I hope RGW will win 2CP
my money on them not that much but still
toxic yacht
well
red anvil
we'll see, not very familiar with RGW
toxic yacht
rip 3-1
forest raven
PLAIN BAD
toxic yacht
nice nanoboost waste
balmy wolf
ENVY > ENVYUS
supple nymph
who needs english when you are as good as EFFECT
wary falcon
yeah effect is their star player
kindred kiln
so,if envy and athena beat rhinos,they both get to playoffs,right? or there's a way BK can remove one of them?
forest raven
@kindred kiln I'll do the math after this game 
red anvil
athena and BK still got 1 match left dont they?
wary falcon
i don't like this system
red anvil
if BK wins theres, and athena loses, then BK is on
kindred kiln
yeah, athena fight against rhinos(who i hope they beat)
wary falcon
with round difference
kindred kiln
@forest raven thanks :3
glad chasm
Yeah they just have no answer for effect
final river
that baby dva kill in the end was insane
toxic yacht
taking nV to KR and thinking that you can win 
red anvil
Tracers are so dominating in this tourney
wary falcon
i don't understand why Effect was benched in meta athena
toxic yacht
because Saya and libero are more flexible
forest raven
EnVy, assuming they 3-0 Wings will be 2-0/6-2
Athena will be 1-1/5-4
BK Stars will be 1-1/4-4
Wings will be 0-2/1-6
As it stands EnVy and Athena advance to playoffs
wary falcon
there is no hard counter for tracer it's better to build comp around her
if you ask me
especially when you have such a high skill player like Effect
spring lintel
So guys is this OWL or is this pre-OWL?
red anvil
Currently apex
wary falcon
second
glad chasm
Really need to see effect vs saebyeolbe like asap
red anvil
Meta Athena is buildt around crazy strats and flexing, effect is a great player but saya is almost equally insane
forest raven
If BK Stars beat EnVy 3-2: BK 2-1/7-6
If Wings beat MA 3-2: Wings 1-2/4-6 and MA is 1-2/7-7
MA advance to playoffs with EnVy
If Wings gets 3-0'd by EnVy here, no matter what score they get against MA will get them to playoffs
But if Wings 3-0's or 3-1's Athena, and BK beats EnVy or loses 3-2, they'll advance over MA
glad chasm
What are current viewer numbers for you guys right now?
forest raven
17k
@kindred kiln See above
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/overwatch/Overwatch_APEX/Season_3 this will help
kindred kiln
@forest raven thanks, this seems like rather good chances
pine star
APEX format shenanigans 
kindred kiln
yeah,i was using liquid, but that's too complex for me to count all the possibilities for this system
forest raven
If BK gets 3-1'd by EnVy and MA gets 3-0'd, MA will still advance even though set and map score is tied because MA will win the head-to-head
toxic yacht
I mean, we all know that MA and nV making it
pine star
What's the score rn?
wary falcon
2-0
red anvil
2 - 0
forest raven
There's always a chance @toxic yacht
pine star
ezpzlemonsqueazy
wary falcon
yeah, Rhino looks so lost
maybe they will show us some incredible pharah perfomance?
on 2cp
kindred kiln
i don't really get why they use sombra on attack now
wary falcon
why not?
kindred kiln
makes sense on def with all access to healthpacks and good position
kindred kiln
right,still i fee like it's much easier to pull big emp while defending
toxic yacht
you can also deny an enemy sombra if you play around it right
wary falcon
Yes, defensive support sombra is better than offensive
but still it can work
sadly it didn't for Rhino
rip my bet
kindred kiln
@wary falcon never give up
toxic yacht
remember when sombra was only run on offense?
forest raven
That was a comedy of errors from nV
toxic yacht
by coL?
forest raven
That was a quite an amazing choke
wary falcon
anyone will play in OW contenders?
glad chasm
@wary falcon you still have a chance!
forest raven
Went from nearly full holding to getting capped with over 2 mins
glad chasm
Can't imagine solo heals Lucio gonna work too well
wary falcon
Sombra is healer
plus don't forget about Torb
0,5 healer + 0,5 healer = 1 healer
glad chasm
Surprised he stayed on torb after ult
forest raven
inb4 six minute hold
glad chasm
Aw shit a mei sighting
wary falcon
I want to see offensive Torb on King's row
It worked so many times on my 4200 scrub level
but didn't see even a single time in a pro game
😢
glad chasm
Mango just wanted to play some torb
Wasn't gonna be talked off it
Why's taimou do such an exaggerated bow?
forest raven
Friday's matches:
vs. 
vs. 
kindred kiln
good thing next apex day shall be much better
basically a start of playoffs for playing teams
forest raven
3-1 needed for a guaranteed spot in the playoffs
glad chasm
It's doable for rogue their loss to kdp was a well played high level game and LH didn't look all that great in their aod win
wary falcon
do you really believe?
i expect Rogue to win 1 map
Soon's perfomance was terrible
and he is going to face best korean Ana
and don't forget about secret Rogue strat with AKM's PHARAH
glad chasm
Yeah I kinda do believe tbh
Kdp beat them due to deeper hero pool picks not necessarily purely out-skilling rogue
glad chasm
Akm for sure did not need to be playing pharah but beside that it was mostly hero pool that won kdp that match
balmy wolf
Playing Pharah on Oasis when 76 was working fine 
Never playing rein to block shatter and self destruct
wary falcon
with soon from KDP game
i don't see chances to win against LH
he needs to step up
like Effect
or Birdring
delicate sparrow
I wouldn't say it was hero pool exclusively so much as it was KDP's familariarity with running different team comps
if they'd just decided to run widow defense on route 66 just bc they had a good widow it wouldn't have worked tbh
they knew what they were doing and how to play their comps well
glad chasm
That's basically saying the same thing tho. Kdp showed a lot of flexibility in that match which rogue could not match
glad chasm
Idk if LH wasn't playing that well because they knew they had an inferior opponent in AOP but if that same LH shows up I def think rogue could 3-1 them
rapid oxide
I mean, they can but they don't want to
glad chasm
If AOP doesn't have an all time epic choke they'd have been down 0-2 and that 66 map wasn't exactly easy for LH either
delicate sparrow
it was also basically their first time running gido + aod has apparently grown a lot since they played rogue and had apparently since developed counters to divey/triple dps comps
I doubt LH mirror comping rogue is going to work out too well for rogue
glad chasm
LH destroyed AOP when they ran triple dps problem was it took LH awhile to realize that
solid spear
Rogue will sweep LH stay woke
dusty surge
Matches already over?
red anvil
I'm hoping that LH will beat Rogue
red anvil
3-0 both matches
dusty surge
spoiler alert :/
solid spear
Oh rip
glad chasm
First match was like a bad matchmaking competitive stomp
vestal mortar
glad chasm
That went on for an hour
dusty surge
No worries, I usually miss them anyway.
vestal mortar
I read the spoiler too, oh noey
glad chasm
But seemed like 10 years
red anvil
Sorry @vestal mortar 
forest raven
So besides Flash Lux and Wings, every team can still make the playoffs
vestal mortar
It's okay Kaku, it was my own fault for looking at Discord
forest raven
They have APEX
spring lintel
Is this the way to nerf them?
solid spear
-_-
spring lintel
Isnt owc something related to owl?
balmy wolf
Fake
forest raven
non-heroic
balmy wolf
lol
nocturne sable
easily fake
trim trellis
rapid oxide
When stream will start? Pls give me CEST not murican things
forest raven
What stream
toxic yacht
yes
balmy wolf
If you mean the Melee that isnt till Thursday
supple nymph
if you mean Euro party that isn't until tomorrow
solid spear
I only do Murcia things Vace bb
rapid oxide
Sorry mb, i mean the anniversary of ow
solid spear
Lemme find est for it
rapid oxide
I know the event should kick in 1h based on a PS4 update scheduled in 1h
balmy wolf
The stream isnt till the 24th
rapid oxide
but the event should be out in 1h, right?
solid spear
based on the Playstation stuff yeah
rapid oxide
🙏
limber pine
i can't wait for the spam
rapid oxide
"COUNTDOWN IS OVER, WHERES THE EVENT?" "FUCK BLIZZARD" "NOT ANOTHER SOMBRA COUNTDOWN PLS"
balmy wolf
50 minutes
solid spear
is it bad Im more hyped for 76 nerfs than the event
balmy wolf
Im hyped for Hanzo buffs more
solid spear
stop hating Sojum
rapid oxide
im hyped for spectator mode improvement 👀
solid spear
stop
balmy wolf
Cant wait for people to cry about getting scattered after he climbs a wall
solid spear
hating
balmy wolf
And then they change it
balmy wolf
lul sure
solid spear
nuh uh
rapid oxide
and people complain because hanzo is trash
toxic yacht
scatter is already an almost complete bullshit ability
balmy wolf
Its just like the normal scatter complaining
spring lintel
I am hyped for genjis buff
balmy wolf
"wah wah it one shots waaahhhh"
solid spear
I cant bring myself to complain about a character like Hanzo when you got shit like Tracer in the game that everyone is fine with
toxic yacht
although she oneshots
spring lintel
Tracer is fine tho
solid spear
hes cheese occasionally but like Im not gonna cry about Hanzo of all characters
toxic yacht
it's still fucking stupid
toxic yacht
scatter already barely has any counterplay if you use it right and combo it with a sonic
in certain areas
spring lintel
The counter play is that hanzo is shit
toxic yacht
it's kinda a free kill
under most circumstances
if you can aim decently
now you can literally just climb up a wall silently and oneshot someone with no real counterplay
👍
solid spear
rapid oxide
i prefere 1 shot widow than 1 shot hanzo
toxic yacht
nice response
rapid oxide
atleast widow require aim
balmy wolf
Any big-ish changes to Hanzo are going be cried at by the community saying they're satan spawn and Blizzard will revert so he's always stuck in the same useless place
toxic yacht
lol
rapid oxide
dae mei satin xd
toxic yacht
"useless"
????
lol
just because he isn't picked 50%+ of the time it doesn't mean he's useless
rapid oxide
im fine having hanzo in the useless place tbh
balmy wolf
Properly picked in pro play on one map on the first point exclusively
toxic yacht
????
balmy wolf
Other times only for sonic
toxic yacht
yeah, totally
ignore all the hanzos who stay on him the entire map...
he's niche by his basic design
rapid oxide
Wraxu
balmy wolf
Flow3r on hanzo for an entire map?
toxic yacht
and he's a pretty good pick in pubs if you're actually decent
balmy wolf
what match was this
solid spear
I mean I can name people that have stayed on any character an entire map except like 3 or 4 maybe lol
so thas not saying a ton
rapid oxide
APAC last map against LH
solid spear
especially when its so rare
toxic yacht
hanzo is niche by design
and he fills his niche very well
not every hero is designed to be picked 20%+ of the time
rapid oxide
he fills the niche of being an annoying motherfucker yes 😄
toxic yacht
also, if you want to buff him by making him even more bullshit
then I don't know what to say
lol
he's inconsistent by design
the only way you can make him a consistent pick is by making him fucking broken
rapid oxide
i would like to have his arrows travel fast
solid spear
I mean I dont care about Hanzo hardly use him...I just dont think hes anywhere near "fucking broken"
toxic yacht
he's not
but it doesn't change the fact that the climb change makes him more bullshit + he'd need to be fucking broken to be above niche
same with widow
solid spear
I mean I agree its cheese I just dont care because the character overall isnt very good
toxic yacht
when she was good enough to be more than niche literally the entire meta revolved around her
solid spear
so I pretty much never rage at a Hanzo
solid spear
I mean Spirit plays Reaper for a large part of matches that doesnt mean the character is good
solid spear
when in the end the character is still sitting at sub 1% pick rate at the highest level of play
toxic yacht
and cleary explained how he's designed to be niche
solid spear
both of them
toxic yacht
reaper wasn't designed to be niche
rapid oxide
i want reaper shadow step to be faster ffs
toxic yacht
he just turned to shit later
rapid oxide
toxic yacht
hanzo is niche by design and sees more playtime
you can't compare those
also, he asked for people who play hanzo for more than KR 1, so I mentioned them
solid spear
Hanzo doesnt even see more playtime lol
toxic yacht
...he does
rapid oxide
wish he doesnt, shit character
balmy wolf
Taking the last meta report for example, he's at 0% and Reaper is at 2%
toxic yacht
wow
ignore all the other time before, right?
lul
overall, since reaper became garbo hanzo has had a higher overall pickrate
solid spear
how often do you see either character with more than like 1 or 2%
toxic yacht
and again, hanzo is niche by design
he's supposed to have a low pickrate
literally how he's designed
balmy wolf
Just went back 6 meta reports
solid spear
Hanzo was designed to have sub 1% pickrate for almost the entirety of the games existence
good design
balmy wolf
Hanzo was at 1% with Reaper at 0% twice, Reaper at 2% with Hanzo at 0% twice and both of them at 0% twice
toxic yacht
I never said that he's designed well
lol
he is still meant to be niche
like widow
it's the same bloody thing
solid spear
Widow at least has an actual niche
toxic yacht
snipers are niche in a game like OW by design
rapid oxide
thanks god
solid spear
Hanzo is just bad tbh
rapid oxide
thanks god
digital pond
You know what would fix everything? Making Junkrat and Hanzo hitscans.
balmy wolf
With Widow being at 1%, 2%, 4%, 4.5%
toxic yacht
you being bad != hanzo being bad
lol
and again
very strong pick in pubs
he's just underrepresented in pro play
because of his inconsistent design
and that inconsistency doesn't work well with pros
solid spear
Hanzo is supposed to be a "high skill cap character" and even at the highest level of play doesnt get play it has nothing to do with me beingbad
toxic yacht
but you keep ignoring that aspect
toxic yacht
then why don't you consider that he's actually decent in pubs?
solid spear
Im just saying whats the point at complaining about a bad character
because of occasional cheese
thats all I was saying
toxic yacht
one free kill is enough to snowball a teamfight
that's why
"oh, the occasional free kill with no counterplay"
"it's just occasional"
solid spear
they could replace scatter with a completely different ability and I wouldnt care but as it is now I dont mindd Hanzo
toxic yacht
I don't mind him atm too
I just really dislike the direction their pushing him into
especially that scatter change
balmy wolf
They will just buff Hanzo because of his pickrate
balmy wolf
because muh Blizzard balancing committee
solid spear
I think were arguing for no reason I agree scatter is bs Im just saying hes bad enough overall that I forgive it
lol
toxic yacht
tbh that's literally my only issue with buffs
solid spear
yeah
toxic yacht
wots the passive again?
solid spear
Reaper actually does damage though
balmy wolf
Tbh, retracting my earlier statement, I actually see the community complaining about it for maybe a few weeks (like they did scatter arrow itself when the game was released) and then it will die down just as the complaining about the normal scatter did
digital pond
See people through wallls under 50% hp
solid spear
seeing low health targets through walls
pure kettle
just buff hanzo for Americas only.