noticing reinhardt is all but absent
#esports-discussion
toxic yacht
the rest actually took a lot of skill
rapid oxide
AWP doesnt take skill
toxic yacht
especially back when zenyatta was op in summer
clever wagon
Been playing some Zen in comp recently and I'm having a newfound fondness
small basin
zen is best heals
clever wagon
Enemy team wasnt the brightest but thanks to them I got Transcendence up every fight
delicate sparrow
there are 2 characters in the game that have an aimbot for an ult, and 1 of those is the worst ult in the game but u know overwatch requires no aim widow has wall hax ez kills
small basin
but yes
this game totally isn't bogged down with low skill mechanics that make it boring
everyone is tracer gaise
rapid oxide
since the game is low skill
why arent you going pro?
you will get easy money
since the game is ez
require no skill
delicate sparrow
are you investing in any game at all right now
small basin
someone lend me 20million and I'll do it thanks
rapid oxide
its more alive than your pro career for sure
clever wagon
So this channel is now a more circlejerky bullshit than r/ow itself?
rapid oxide
in any game
small basin
yup
most succesful esport on the planet guise
let us pretend dota 2 doesnt exist and we can say this right
rapid oxide
why other sport exist then?
delicate sparrow
no one is saying that overwatch is the most successful esport or even a particularly successful esport we aren't deluded
rapid oxide
no one watch them, who invest in other sport is retarded
delicate sparrow
why water polo exist when football
jovial eagle
more shit talking?
iron cedar
toxic yacht
I don't understand why someone would come to this channel just to shit on eSports, lul
while saying shit that doesn't even make any sense
spring lintel
pine star
Does my folder of "shit Sojum says" counts?
toxic yacht
👀
it can only grow
I have an imgur album made of all of my memes anyway
well, most of it is shit I made
pine star
top kek
clever wagon
actually making memes and not stealing them
Smh @toxic yacht
toxic yacht
I am the source
When spice reaches a critical mass I begin to spit memes
with my sik paint.net skillz
clever wagon
No joke that is actually a useful characteristic to have
toxic yacht
because photoshop and gimp take too long to start
clever wagon
Need all dat karma
toxic yacht
well, I don't post them in any place that giff the karma
rapid oxide
🇬🇧 @BoomboxD is no longer playing for ex-Cyclone and will be joining 
eUnited.
ex-Cyclone is currently looking for a new flex support player.
https://twitter.com/showerg3l/status/865175403773689856
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spsmtu
Twitter
pine star
Any word on when the group stage for the wc starts?
balmy wolf
thats a feelsbad
toxic yacht
wait, they lost fuckin boombox
a few weeks before TakeOver
lol
shit
that's kinda bad
rapid oxide
🐍
toxic yacht
inb4 ex-cyclone Veineless
rapid oxide
http://www.gametrics.com/ OW is 1st
forest raven
Really?
rapid oxide
xD
yes btw
well
for 0.6%
but... nice
considering it had no significant updates
forest raven
The "really?" was towards your comment, not the stat
rapid oxide
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sorry
just im tired people shit on ow all the time
all this negativity is getting annoying
clever wagon
Quake 
jovial eagle
but overwatch is better in that regard where you could literally kill everyone and still lose because you're no on point
toxic yacht
eh, cs has a much higher emphasis on positioning tbh
sure, it's very mechanics driven
really good mechanics are required to take advantage of good positioning
but there is a certain point where your raw mechanical skill can't consistently carry you anymore
I'd actually say that learning good positioning is more important than having good aim, although you should make sure that your aim isn't complete potato
rapid oxide
Twitter
balmy wolf
He's had that handle for ages
rapid oxide
Trump: "Disgusting"
TF2 
Team "Hat Simulator where people are mad about Overwatch success" Fortress 2?
toxic yacht
Literally all of his social media shitvis HidanTF2
Including his YouTube channel
Where he uploads phresh montages with French music in the background
With the weird ass aspect ratio he plays at
Except that those montages actually reflect his performance during matches
balmy wolf
Man TSM had so many tryouts lol
Looking through peoples scrim montages and they have different players everytime
pseudo sail
Players who've scrimmed them have said that the top Chinese teams are pretty good.
rapid oxide
Team like? :) admit i didn't read the article at all
rapid oxide
Article say with Koreans since they are close
I think people need to consider that APAC will undoubtedly be one of the strongest regions in the world. This might sound crazy and I’m not trying to be biased, but as of right now, Asia has the largest tournament scene in Overwatch and that’s a fact. While NA and EU are in a drought, Asia is saturated with top tier tournaments with constant competition. Consider that APAC is a region close enough to Korea to be consistently playing against them, even if it’s informally. This is something teams in NA and EU do not have the opportunity to do and as Korea currently is the highest skilled region in the world, APAC are directly exposed to that consistently while NA and EU sit back on their own. This is by no means trying to discredit the Western scene, but people need to seriously stop underestimating APAC and take us more seriously, because I guarantee there will be good reason to.
toxic yacht
and you can thank blizzard for that, lol
good job, not licencing any tournaments in the west while handing them out like flyers in APAC
pine star
This will be the same shit as LOL all over again
KR > rest of Asia > EU > NA > all the other scrubs
toxic yacht
also, you can't really make such comments about EU because no one fucking knows how EU is atm
like, there is so little certainty about how regions stack up, it's so infuriating
pine star
Oh yeah
We don't know how it is rn
I'm just saying how it's going to be lol
Screenshot me 👀
limber pine
toxic yacht
oh, I wasn't talking about your statements lol
limber pine
you're on the record
toxic yacht
meant the situation overall
pine star
rapid oxide
But China is a good addition to add fat viewers count
Viewbotted or not
From both side
EU/NA will benefit
Now you watch KR without western team sometimes right?
I think investing in develop China scene, will boost views
That's my opinion
EU/NA """doesn't""" need more promotion since the scene is "healthy" for Blizzard
Something that maybe is not in China
rapid oxide
Drop from AMM
balmy wolf
lel
their guy Space defected to YIKES
so according to this thread
coolmatt69 did also try out
supple nymph
balmy wolf
some of his answers are pretty questionable, tbh
supple nymph
it's good they are working with monte and doa to develop spectator
not wanting to incentivize competitive seems kinda weird though
balmy wolf
they want people to play competitive just because they want to be competitive
which is ok but it is hard when NA matchmaking is dogshit
gentle shuttle
anything happen over today and yestarday chappies
toxic yacht
:(
uhh, rubi is off eU
and boombox is on
ajax not on NRG anymore
well, benched
uhh
USA committee is throwing
kaiser off runaway and rumoured to go to c9
kailos still stuck in china, so he likely won't be playing with runaway anytime soon
uhh, what else...
I'm assuming that Lui is nV's official benchwarmer now after effect's performance
gentle shuttle
why'd they get rid of Rubicon. That's my favourite drink. Was he playing particularly bad as of late?
mmm murica
my friend was saying Runner might go to C9 just a lil while ago
and i need to see new NV
oo how have Rogue been holding up in KR
toxic yacht
dunno, rubi was very good imo
rapid oxide
Overwatch League 
gentle shuttle
did the OWL claim another team?
rapid oxide
Inb4 virtus pro cyka blyad
gentle shuttle
:'C
toxic yacht
oh yeah, since boombox is gone ex-cyclone is supportless although they're in a tournament in 2 weeks
rogue lost 3-1 vs KDP but won 2CP
nV is insane
effect is insane
chips is a god, as always
cocco made me wet
harryhook was on zen and played 76 again
taimou... has good aim
gentle shuttle
mmmphm
toxic yacht
and Lui is probably warming benches now, lol
gentle shuttle
i take it by now all the groups have played once. Who's looking like the top hotdog?
toxic yacht
oh, and nV won 2cp
uhh, KDP is actually looking really strong, although they lost vs LH
AF Blue finally stopped being shit
and arhan is apparently a better tracer than he is a genji
gentle shuttle
its still super random to me how Lui ended up on NV. Not that he sucks, its just the last time I heard of him he was on Colorado Clutch and then bagooosh on NV
ah nicee
toxic yacht
nV is looking really good
actually
Rogue not so much. They've also been playing below their normal level, kinda worried about them
especially nico, my avatar is literally nico during their first match
I'm not sure if he's having dem nerves or something because first LAN, but he's been underperforming massively
I haven't watched every match, so I can't say much, but KDP is looking very strong this season
toxic yacht
Runaway doesn't have a main tank because kaiser is leaving and kailos (he was supposed to tank, right) is stuck in china-hell, so haksal is on monkey since he's their best winston
mirage is dpsing and was relatively inconsistent until match 2 of their game vs KDU, bumper is flexing on rein
also, not eSports related + Activision and Blizzard are the same company
not really surprising that their doing something together
supple nymph
it could be part of the owl puzzle 🤷
mebe blizz wants to facilitate other games into esports
toxic yacht
still not ow esports related... 😒
supple nymph
toxic yacht
tbh the most interesting things about montages is seeing what teams are running which heroes with which players
toxic yacht
Vallutaja on Snizzlenose lmao
https://clips.twitch.tv/RichCredulousPheasantFrankerZ
gentle shuttle
Vallutaja bess name. Sounds like some sexy spanish girls name
supple nymph
esports lunatic-hai vs mighty aod tomorrow AND nrg vs tempo storm
could be nrg's first win over a t2 team
gentle shuttle
is Dummy still NRG
supple nymph
Yes
gentle shuttle
wait they got graceful and greggo rite
supple nymph
on trial I think
gentle shuttle
ah okis
supple nymph
who fuckin knows
ow teams are all revolving doors
you get signed and kicked after a month
is that any different from a trial lol
gentle shuttle
lmfao for real
limber pine
math checks out
limber pine
another one bites the dust
toxic yacht
BITES ZA DUSTO
supple nymph
i dont know why i clicked that
vestal mortar
YUS
rapid oxide
Sojum "The Splatoon Faker"
ok stop going offtopic
can't wait to see team color in spectator mode
papa jeff said it's on working
with a spectator map and match statistics
except for replay and ingame spectating im not sure what's missing
for spectator mode to improve
gentle shuttle
solid spear
oof
gentle shuttle
wtf is going on
solid spear
Im ready for Splatoon 2 esports
gentle shuttle
whens Arms with this new thicc girl everyones losing it over
rapid oxide
ok stop going offtopic
still talking about splatoon
toxic yacht
lmao
supple nymph
no c9 in omm
toxic yacht
supple nymph
deported
rapid oxide
c9 is still strong
thorn holly
What is The group of team USA???
supple nymph
LOL
vestal mortar
Aw
limber pine
🤔
supple nymph
because everyone has their professional discussions in public discord channels
balmy wolf
tbf @limber pine
that thing he posted
had some merits
of course though
"sources"
limber pine
^^^
balmy wolf
too bad a lot of these things really detrimental once providing sources
supple nymph
they make it pretty easy
balmy wolf
well yeah, just lurked on the more important discords, and keep your eyes out
that's about it, really
I mean I broke the Selly news and nobody believed me until over.gg put out an article
so I kind of know how it feels lol
limber pine
the scene has too much drama, with actual sources and screencaps
we don't need a "I heard this guy hates these guys" thread
toxic yacht
people in the OW scene just can't shut up, lul
they talk too much in too public places
supple nymph
it's full of really immature players who go on to be immature coaches/casters/analysts
toxic yacht
I also love how minstrel is just permanently spilling shit
and doesn't mind it at all
balmy wolf
I mean Slasher is the head of the biggest pro discord
and he is a grown man who is a petulant asshole most of the time
toxic yacht
well, look at the average age of your OW pro
supple nymph
grown man with a topknot
toxic yacht
not really surprising that a lot of them are immature
balmy wolf
@toxic yacht had Minstrel spill anything out recently?
toxic yacht
recently, nah
rapid oxide
gentle shuttle
they god rid of Selly already god damn
limber pine
Discord enables it too, in a sense that the platform isn't as "secure" as old forms of communication
gentle shuttle
OW is broootul
toxic yacht
the most recent thing was saying that the Seagull-Shayed thing is pretty accurate
he also talked a bunch about the OWL and how it's fucking with orgs and how terrible it is and stuff, lul
but I didn't really read that
rapid oxide
But who knows stuff is optimistic 
toxic yacht
this was literally my exchange with him
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/233904315247362048/314524630381494283/unknown.png
so yeah, his opinion on OW atm
lol
rapid oxide
Not my fault if he isn't enough good to get into a team 🤷
limber pine
rip
supple nymph
i dont know how every team wont disband at the end of the month unless they get a magic partnership with someone
supple nymph
they arent gonna pay players for 8 months until OWL or however long it takes
ripe marlin
what happened to our pro splatoon team
toxic yacht
Team Wreckless
ripe marlin
yes
toxic yacht
we'll then get picked up by FaZe
ripe marlin
i cant wait to make faze proud
rapid oxide
Legit question
rapid oxide
Everyone is doing it anyway with or without being in a team
Btw
Legit question
If you make a Splatoon team and you call it FaZe
You will get sued?
toxic yacht
guys
I decided to stalk minstrel's reddit history for spilled beans
this is about c9
1 month before the ZP Mendo drama
👀
supple nymph
rapid oxide
Hands down, Based god Pesto is talking 
https://twitter.com/PestoEnthusiast/status/865313515036430337
Twitter
toxic yacht
noukky
\o/
pls bring teh big EU news
also, I can't wait for TakeOver
watching the qualifiers
and seeing those teams play
got me really fucking hyped for the actual event
rapid oxide
HND 100$ 
rapid oxide
Twitter
dusty surge
So many Izzys
toxic yacht
probably blizzard realizing that they kinda bumfucked the region
dusty surge
Is that the same Izzy that plays NA and accused me of cheating?
blazing parrot
Twitter
rapid oxide
HND 1000€ 
blazing parrot
🤔
blazing parrot
western team
toxic yacht
pretty much everyone including Leetajun thinks that it'S c9
blazing parrot
teehee
toxic yacht
that'd also make sense considering the fact that gods is going back to the DPS role
blazing parrot
if its not c9 i wonder who their main tank would be
delicate sparrow
and c9 already has a history of recruiting koreans
blazing parrot
yes
toxic yacht
also, alicus reaction to hearing that Kaiser is an FA now
lul
I bet he was pissed because he just bought skipjack
blazing parrot
h y p e r l u l
balmy wolf
he did say he tried to recruit KR genjis from most of the existing orgs
and they turned him away
toxic yacht
LUL
wtf type of roster does he want anyway?
30-man
is sounding more and more realistic
also, is hidan in EU rn?
if he is he could potentially be in question for the ex-cyclone supp, which'd be rad
alternatively, they could just get rubi which'd also be amusing
balmy wolf
basically eUnited and ex Cyclone did a trade yeah
lol
ex Cyclone is full of CIS guy though
not sure if a Frenchie is suitable
toxic yacht
oh, didn't actually check out their nationalities
balmy wolf
actually i'm wrong
their roster is multi national
so Hidan can be plug in
i was confuse
toxic yacht
I hope that it's a trade tbh, rubi isreally good
I don't see why they'd drop him outside of personality conflicts
blazing parrot
balmy wolf
well
hopefully TSM have a better OW manager now
since Derrick is off to NRG shitting the place up
rapid oxide
Are you fucking kidding me?
balmy wolf
no.
vestal mortar
Haha
rapid oxide
Not referring to you @balmy wolf
rapid oxide
Well... This means that they are still interested somehow
digital pond
I'm sure once their is more announcement of the league TSM might try again.
If they get a spot people will have to join them v0v
Cause players needa play
rapid oxide
If 20 milions are too muxh, blizzard will lower
Better sold a spot cheaper instead of not selling it at all
digital pond
Ya they'll prob start lowering when they get all the big big orgs
rapid oxide
But i think who paid more, roi is higher
limber pine
🤦
rapid oxide
supple nymph
LOL
toxic yacht
lmfao
limber pine
some off hand comment by surefour is now a source
balmy wolf
this is what you get for being untransparent with the tryout process
limber pine
jkap tried
supple nymph
i think there would be drama no matter how they did it
blazing parrot
supple nymph
something would happen
balmy wolf
i mean this is what me and a few others had said before
but noooo
gotta save secret strats
balmy wolf
now people are going to actively digging for drama now
rapid oxide
Canada and USA will lose anyway
limber pine
that's still not a source though
rapid oxide
Why thet bother
blazing parrot
its more than 0
limber pine
he still says "his sources" then links a twich clip
blazing parrot
yes
blazing parrot
b-but the drama
solid spear
Sure Kyky told him
blazing parrot
i-its too good
i think sure4 would be in the know
seeing how gods and adam are teammates
¯_(ツ)_/¯
rapid oxide
Its getting annoying af this drama. Ppl giving too much attention at mediocre teams
blazing parrot
adam got an invite after that stream lol
balmy wolf
well
that's what we heard
but unconfirmed
although
one potential fallout of this drama
is that we might know more people who was confirmed
limber pine
that thread said harbleu said Adam was good in tryouts
balmy wolf
@blazing parrot slow poke
blazing parrot
Lel
limber pine
3 days ago
balmy wolf
Going by the people that were in custom game at the alotted time of the stream
we saw 4 supports
but no Adam
lol thread removed
rapid oxide
Is it mandatory to trial Adam? What if kyky think adam doesn't fit the team?
blazing parrot
probably removed it cause of the harb comment
balmy wolf
"To clarify, I was not one of the 12 chosen for the first day(s) of tryouts. As of recently, I have been trying out for the team. This clip is a few days old, and not relevant to my situation anymore. Nobody really knew how the tryouts were going to be handled, but since then people have been rotating in and out. As well Ster, Jason & Kyle are being very professional, and taking this extremely seriously."
I assume its majority vote @rapid oxide
balmy wolf
So if ster and jason want him on
limber pine
imagine that
blazing parrot
in the end its stupid pointless drama lol
balmy wolf
Well we already knew he wasnt
Unless they were trying out 3 supports for one of the rosters
solid spear
I mean Harb, Retzi and Adam have been tried out and they werent in the initial group
supple nymph
@balmy wolf where's that from
solid spear
Theyve probably already eliminated some or are close to
limber pine
the point is that he "claimed sources" when his sources was an old twitch clip
people so quick to jump to conclusions
solid spear
Apparently Harb, Sinatraa and Jakes team went like 4-1 against the other team
Or something
Idr where I saw that
rapid oxide
@balmy wolf well... We didn't know IF ster and jkap wanted Adam in... Theu could prefere someone else instead of Adam
But we will never know i guess
rapid oxide
Reason of why i find this drama pointless
limber pine
ditto
supple nymph
final river
Wow calling out his own team huh
limber pine
ugh
solid spear
I just hope that this roster works out for them
Graceful, Idd, Num, Harb, Grego is solid talent if they can gel
balmy wolf
last time NRG also hoped that as well
and then later Ajax was like "me and NRG teammates didn't think alike"
at this point best to just let NRG unfold
rapid oxide
Just wanted to highlight Dummy
"grow up" said the one starting dramaing from nowhere on Flame twitter
Both had solid points btw 
delicate sparrow
is bluedolphin iddqd?
solid spear
Uh one thing has absolutely nothing to do with other his "beef" with flame and him messing with teammates are completely different
Probably Jag
balmy wolf
Yes @delicate sparrow
rapid oxide
Twitter
balmy wolf
he probably was still mad
since flame and some other people was calling for his head like months ago
solid spear
Mendo literally said IN Flames discord that Flame was a big reason Dummy has gotten hate for months
So yeah Dummy probably doesnt like him
And that's fair tbh
rapid oxide
Dummy ➡ 
solid spear
Whether or not youre good its natural not to like someone always shitting on you
gentle shuttle
what are you drama lamas up to now mmm 🐷
vestal mortar
Nothing 👀
gentle shuttle
!
blazing parrot
more drama
velvet scarab
drama 
balmy wolf
that's not drama lol
supple nymph
not ... yet ?
digital pond
I mean at that point his best move is to show up in game and give flame nothing to do but nitpick and thus get some hate back @solid spear
supple nymph
is it worth getting up extra early for mvp space vs LW blue?
digital pond
I would say it could be fun. I like LW Blue. And MVP Space isn't gonna just roll over, or so I hope.
delicate sparrow
lw blue is fun to watch
solid spear
Yeah, Im not defending his play i just think its stupid to be like omg Dummy is so terrible for saying anything to Flame
digital pond
Yeah no I get his anger just that tweet specifically felt random or like he just saw an opportunity.
But it definitely didn't help in the end sadly.
Frankly I would want him to adapt and turn into an Ana god.
More good players is good for the scene.
supple nymph
supple nymph
it's a comment but discord doesn't handle comments differently than threads
so u dont see nuffin
digital pond
Oh
solid spear
I love how Graceful is trying to get these idiots to focus and theyre like sorry sir
Graceful senpai
supple nymph
blazing parrot
people watch your overwatch?
blazing parrot
never found them useful tbh
pine star
Who would play projectile? 
balmy wolf
afaik he only use Genji one time though
digital pond
In pro scene yeah.
balmy wolf
so not exactly much data to go on there
digital pond
It's meant to say he has experience on it.
In comparison to the other two, as it was his main tryout hero for Selfless
When they tried him out.
Easier to use someone with experience on it for the hero.
gentle shuttle
that come dumpster thing was hilarious
clever wagon
Not so hilarious for Graceful 
gentle shuttle
Graceful is pure.
blazing parrot
LOL
velvet scarab
Lol
gentle shuttle
KyKy hates Grego and Gods or something
supple nymph
🍿
gentle shuttle
#slowpoke
supple nymph
😦
gentle shuttle
🐷
supple nymph
solid spear
I mean hes right S4 had some baseless speculation and everyone took is as truth
Basically if Lord Dafran doesn't say it don't believe
blazing parrot
idk i mean s4 probably knows stuff cause gods and adam are teammates so i would assume teammates would tell each other if they got a tryout
¯_(ツ)_/¯
digital pond
I mean Adam also stated the Clip was old
And he had SINCE THEN been tried out
But wasn't in the first 15
blazing parrot
yes he did
blazing parrot
welcome to reddit
balmy wolf
First 12*
solid spear
I just think it was stupid for people to assume gods and adam didnt get tryouts cuz theyre on c9
digital pond
I mean at the end of the day I can't blame them TOO much.
There's nothing else to do in relation of the game in that sub reddit
Aside from APEX right now everything is dull
blazing parrot
go play ow instead of hunting for drama then haha xd
digital pond
Or they're bored at work or school \0.0/
digital pond
Anything related to esport will have drama anyway
solid spear
The scene is keeping me interested still
solid spear
And theres nothing i iz bored
supple nymph
@balmy wolf prediction: NRG vs Tempo Storm?
gentle shuttle
its such low-tier drama tho
supple nymph
being a seagull fan he might be a bit biased though
balmy wolf
Me?
supple nymph
noone else here has a seagull avatar
pine star
👀
balmy wolf
it isnt a seagull lol
balmy wolf
its a ducksnake
clever wagon
Is that a Motoko profpic I see
gentle shuttle
yus : )
solid spear
Weeb
pine star
Weebs
gentle shuttle
WEEB
solid spear
Weebs are gross
clever wagon
assumes it's a caw caw
assumes Polul is a caw caw fanboy based on an assumption
Literally @supple nymph
gentle shuttle
thats why i put myself on cooldown from this discord. I dont wanna ruin your purity :C
solid spear
Zoro pls
gentle shuttle
:>
nah really though im just super bored of OW
maybe when the league details finally come to light
clever wagon
Hey, fuck you. Say weebs are gross and I won't care but if you say our waifu is shit then it's definitely personal.
gentle shuttle
lol
solid spear
Waifus are sacred
pine star
you guys are such weebs lmfao
clever wagon
I just want to soloq my way to master with offtank dps flex and prove my worth
solid spear
@pine star no u
jovial eagle
play hog
balmy wolf
Team Thailand try out
apparently one on one is in the menu somehow
why the hell are they 1v1ing
pseudo sail
ICYMI, Interviewed AVRL about casting, Blank and the Overwatch Pacific Championship.
AVRL on the Asia-Pacific region: '...APAC will undoubtedly be one of the strongest regions in the world.'
http://www.esportsheaven.com/articles/6048
balmy wolf
your guess is as good as mine
rapid oxide
balmy wolf
anyone know the current salary of C9?
if Kaiser streams consistent on top of his salary then he'd be able send a good chunk of money back home
solid spear
thats probably not public info lol
balmy wolf
i remember somebody talked about average salary about 4 figures
solid spear
monthly yes
but it varies from team to team
and theyre most likely never gonna disclose that info
balmy wolf
of course
that'd be NDA
but nevertheless, with an org like C9
he can probably make a decent chunk of money
balmy wolf
Kaiser is one of those talents that you can build a team around
so C9 having him is really great
solid spear
I mean
that team will be really good
they already have a nice core
its almost surprising how many roster changes theyve had theyve always been talented
digital pond
Yeah getting a tank and a good one will help a lot and also take Gods off of being main tank which is nice.
Well Jack really built C9 well imo.
In general I mean.
They take generally good care of their talent
balmy wolf
well, he certainly did a better job than NRG
digital pond
And scout a lot.
balmy wolf
personally i think Jack is giving B1shop a blank check
and tell him to do whatever it takes to get the OW roster to the top
digital pond
It feels like it, but even though Bishop has been pretty solid by them.
The main thing I liked is that the first thing he said is that he was looking for synergy more than just 6 people of pure raw mechanical talent.
balmy wolf
idk why Gods/Mendo/Surefour/Ryb didn't work out
even when online wise
they had a good run in NA
of course, Mendo being a shitter didn't help
digital pond
I mean sometimes people just don't click well even if they are good.
I mean LGL had a lot of talent too.
balmy wolf
they had a lot of time to gel though
digital pond
It just never clicked that well til now.
solid spear
time doesnt just make things fit
digital pond
If players aren't actively changing things time means nothing.
It has to be an effort from everyone really.
solid spear
if people dont have good chemistry time doesnt necessarily fix that
balmy wolf
I found like these teams need to trial their potential players better
digital pond
Probably.
balmy wolf
to avoid these future headache
solid spear
also
digital pond
I think for example Selly/Xepher were trialed a lot earlier and for a bit.
Cause Mendo made his demand to step down a while back.
solid spear
personalitty conflicts dont come out in trials often
like with time when you start to talk every day
digital pond
True, lot of times people just do what they're told to make it in.
balmy wolf
while that's true, I feel like these things can be spot right away during trial
like Ajax cited that he and his NRG teammates didn't think alike
digital pond
It really all depends on the player in question and the team I guess.
digital pond
Some people who trial might think they can adapt to the style or way of playing of the team.
And eventually they realize it just won't happen.
Some teams think they can change a player cause he has potential too.
Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.
solid spear
evenin real sports this is a thing
theyll sign a talented free agent
and after a year realize the chemtsry is awful and the team can even be worse
digital pond
People hope to be able to change/fix things in time, and well sometimes it really just doesn't happen.
balmy wolf
in real sport there isn't a "trial" period those
most of the signing are based off of past performance
digital pond
Well teams are also limited in choices anyway.
solid spear
even with Mendo they had some good results
and played for a few months
it wasnt immediately apparent
and unless youre trialing for months and months some of these things cant be avoided
balmy wolf
of course and then it came out that he tried to pull a coup, and it resulted in his "benching"
just scratching head
digital pond
Nothing is perfect v0v
solid spear
Im not going to talk about that aspect without being in there knowing what actually happened regardless of what Minstrel or ZP heres
digital pond
Sometimes it's noticed sometimes it isn't
balmy wolf
one thing that i found it curious
is that the way these NA teams trial and then dump players
is something very NA centric
EU teams rarely make big changes, while KR usually just add more between seasons of APEX
and it happen in every esport too
digital pond
Well I mean if you compare it to Asia I feel it's greatly different because of a few things.
Asia has a under APEX league teams can participate in giving them cotnent and actual view of players performances and capacities outside of Ranked.
They also have "Off-Season" or tournament to test things privately in scrims and such.
And it's been really beneficial to them.
NA teams seem to be very focus on "next tournament" etc etc
balmy wolf
NA seems really struggle to find a balance between trialing people properly and get settles vs performance
digital pond
Since there's alot of online ones.
balmy wolf
Like for example
I remember Rogue trial NicoGDH for like months on end
before signing him
digital pond
Also a lot of NA teams don't have the right amount of support staff behind them.
digital pond
A lot of time it ends up there, I think a big part of it is orgs not wanting to invest too much yet in OW and just wanting results, but I could be easily wrong.
But a lot of teams players are kinda on their own and orgs come whenever and impose their choices when they feel like it.
KR for exmaple had more time to develop themselves. Their esport strucutre is a lot more organized and similar to regular sports where players I feel are more apt to putting issues aside unless it's of insane magnitude.
solid spear
Rogue also went without playing for a couple months though
digital pond
Because they have an image to upkeep and such
solid spear
tbf
digital pond
In NA the more drama the more you get views and popularity
In asia they don't want dat.
Might not be too healthy for players in the long term maybe idk.
balmy wolf
Rogue pulled a successful NRG
in that they actually boot camp and train well before smashing everyone
digital pond
I think Rogue taking that break scrimming and not playing is the most similar thing a team in the west did to Korea's off-tournament season
balmy wolf
meanwhile NRG hides and then crashed into oblivion
digital pond
Where they had time to just work on it.
And perfect it.
Player mentality also prob had a lot to do with it.
balmy wolf
Rogue is actually a fairly small org
just have backing of Steve Aoki and the likes
so if they can provide that much support
I wonder about larger org teams
digital pond
Like I feel like Rogue's coms are probably not the same as NRG's even in scrim cause they want to perfect what they do.
Heck watching them stream when they mess up they get SO annoyed with themselves.
Cause they know they can do better
They meme still, but they're in it for all of it
solid spear
Im not hating on Seagull I respect his decision
but I still think him leaving last minute really screwed with them
and hurt them more than some realize
digital pond
I think Ajax said it, but someone said Greceful fill in the role of Seagull
As a vocal shot caller'ish
That gives themd irection
Must have been awkward for them to lose the mom of the group
And the guidance
I think Harb said they knew for at least a week or 2 but it still fairly short timeframe.
solid spear
like imagine Rogue did what they did and at the very end AKM or whomever just left especially if theyre a big leader
that would fuck with them a lot
digital pond
I think the constant swap of tryouts also didn't help
balmy wolf
I wonder the leaving, since I know from credible sources that several people advised Seagull that he should do streaming
balmy wolf
rather than follow NRG to the depth of abyss
but then he also said he wanted to be known as a pro
solid spear
Graceful is very good friends with Idd at least
balmy wolf
maybe his girlfriend tilted the decision? lol
digital pond
To be fair the choice was smart from a personnal point of view.
solid spear
hell tolerate their stupidity for now lol
digital pond
Cause he can always go back to being pro
A team will want him.
If only for the moneyz that comes with it and he isn't trash or anything
solid spear
yeah
digital pond
Financially it was a smart move
solid spear
I imagine the buyout is fat
balmy wolf
even according to some, he doesn't even like streaming
digital pond
Yeh
digital pond
He plays a lot more off stream
That's why he cuts stream every so oftene arly
He plays on his alts and I see him via other streams
balmy wolf
still, for a competitively minded player, him pulling a Talespin is rather questionable
digital pond
I mean pretty sure he knew it wouldn't hurt him too bad.
I think the impact would have been WORSE if NRG did well
Same way with nV
Or if NRG had already been playing and doing well
But they were a blank slate
solid spear
didnt even hurt NV as much cuz like ignoring talent that core had been together for ages they can move on but like with NRG they hadnt played together it was a new team and the leader who helped assemble it all dipped at the end
NRG might even be pretty good now if he didnt leave who knows
balmy wolf
one thing about nV is that their core is largely unchanged
meanwhile NRG is practically a new state
solid spear
thats what Im saying
digital pond
True, I mean I think it would have been worse if NRG had had previous games
Where they did okay
solid spear
Cocco/Harry/Chips/Taimou have been together since beta
digital pond
Seagull leaving people just alloted it to them just being a celebrity team and said whatever
solid spear
which is more than what you can say for most teams
digital pond
IDDQ and Harb hadn't played pro in a while for example
They both were streaming for different teams
solid spear
funny thing is that team wouldnt be nearly as hyped if it werent for Seagull
digital pond
Yeah lol
solid spear
like if he wasnt there in the first place they could just be a regular rebuilding team now with way less scrutiny
balmy wolf
earlier when listening to Around the Watch podcast, somebody pointed out that NRG playstyle wise is not compatible at all
Harbleu with his flanking feeding style
digital pond
A lot of their players have different mentality like Ajax said.
Emongg plays a similar style to Harb imo but it works for the team when he's on hog
His right click are also more consistant
But Michael and Dhak know how to enable him.
balmy wolf
which of course rotates back to the question of "why didnt you nip it while trialing"
NRG just a dumpster fire at this point
digital pond
Maybe they just had confidence they could make it work.
solid spear
I mean
digital pond
They probably though things were working out decently cause of scrims
But obv scrims is not a tournament game
solid spear
the roster isnt nearly as bad as people make it out to be and I still think that if you replaced Dummy that alone would make the team a lot better
but well see
vestal mortar
It seems to me that Seagull is what meshed together their playstyles since I believe a few of them mentioned he was quite vocal in comms.
digital pond
Probably works a bit like with LGE
balmy wolf
we'll have our answer today
solid spear
Seagull really was perfect for that team
balmy wolf
JAKE is underwhelming these days in a role where the team had to play around him
digital pond
Well yeah I mean not what I meant.
I mean in terms of directing the team and meshing the other players
digital pond
Not in terms of his personnal performance
balmy wolf
I know what you mean, but I wonder even if Seagull was on it was a particularly good idea
I do remember that according to Seagull
during the time with clockwork and such
he was against Clockwork acquisition because he thought that Clockwork didn't have passion for the game
so right now i wonder that even though that this team was put together revolves around him
something must have been up for him to just pack his bag and streaming instead
management, maybe? NRG just also hired a new general manager too
solid spear
I mean
money
its easier to stream than scrim
and he gets more money that way too
balmy wolf
money is one thing, but it is not the only thing, that's what i proposed.
vestal mortar
It was because of only small online tourneys, it's difficult to live the lifestyle of a pro, scrimming for so many hours a day with no big goal in mind. Streaming is easier and he can play other games too and focus on improving his own life, he said recently he wants to start eating healthier and excercise a bit too.
vestal mortar
*small online tourneys and uncertainty over OWL