Maybe they'll run seperate leagues for each region
#esports-discussion
wise mural
digital pond
And you to bend over
soft wren
damπ ± ajax ignored us in moon base
inland plinth
same
soft wren
why ajax
inland plinth
soft wren
tough wind
16 teams total esplit among regions would be dumb
wise mural
lol
digital pond
I mean Blizz has done dumb things before
Plus when they originally got "leaked" numbers they came out and said it wasn't the final information
tough wind
like i think 16 teams is too many, like u will have teams with literally bots for players on it
toxic yacht
honestly, there has still been no confirmation about spots costing 20 m
digital pond
And that the cities cited weren't even set in stone
tough wind
i think 10 is agood number
toxic yacht
that's just speculation
digital pond
But everyone ignored that tweet
toxic yacht
from that one report
digital pond
^
toxic yacht
that could be complete bs
tough wind
but u need 10 for eu as well if 10 is the number
16 is too many
soft wren
you think 10 is a dgood number?
balmy wolf
btw, if you guys are interested, the Vietnam OW community actually are holding a tournament to settle who's going to be sending their team to OW WC
soft wren
wise mural
to the OWC?
balmy wolf
that's certainly one way of picking a team, yeah
4 of the strongest VN teams get first round bye
vestal mortar
Runner π
digital pond
Frankly I feel like it almost doesn't matter for Kr if they send a full team. I think it'll just be favorites for each roles being sent for KR
wise mural
I wanna see most of Lunatic Hai plus Saebyolbe and Flower if hes reovered or the KDP Dps combo
digital pond
And they'lls till work well together for the most part.
balmy wolf
KR have so much option it is insane
feral solar
who do guys think will make the NA team
toxic yacht
they should just clone Fl0w3r 5 times, fix his wrist and send them
digital pond
digital pond
Zunba is so damn good man
edgy remnant
i dunno about sending in Runner
tough wind
tbh specualting teams to combine is just dumb
wise mural
I don't think they'll send runner
vestal mortar
Tobi
wise mural
Tobi, or Kris
tough wind
for all we know none of those players talk at all in comms, u actually dont know
balmy wolf
Runner is underrated as a tactician though
tough wind
how do u even know that?
edgy remnant
Tobi looked kinda weak on new Lucio though
balmy wolf
his mechanics are not quite up there for being a 30 years old man
wise mural
good point
vestal mortar
:C
tough wind
how do u know he is a tactician?
digital pond
It's hard to say runner doens't talk
balmy wolf
@tough wind because he's the only one that stayed up and digest the APEX vods
digital pond
Since he screams through all of Apex
tough wind
so?
balmy wolf
he said it as much during interviews
digital pond
And you see him run his mouth the entire time
toxic yacht
he also broke the skill ceiling
digital pond
So he does communicate
toxic yacht
after winning
tough wind
I can watch all vods all day and still suck?
digital pond
Now being tactician who knows
tough wind
just because someone on reddit watches vods all day doesnt make then smart
balmy wolf
he was literally coach/analyst/shotcaller all roll into one
tough wind
so?
wise mural
his team came second in apex
toxic yacht
we should flat out never send full teams
wise mural
i think thats probably good evidence of him doing a good job
balmy wolf
idk about you @tough wind but his team was 2nd at APEX. Meanwhile NRG had been missing a 6th and not doing particularly well in NA scene
toxic yacht
whoa
balmy wolf
so I'm not quite sure about doubting his job there.
tough wind
what does that have to do with the argument
digital pond
Oh man I chuckled that came out so strong
tough wind
u just said u didnt play well so ur argument makes no sense
like do u post on reddit 10 times a day and get news from twitter?
answer
vestal mortar
On noey Reign
tough wind
π
balmy wolf
the proof is in the result, frankly. His mechanics are left to be desire but from his interview and gameplay vs other team in APEX showed that he is a really strong backbone for Runaway
tough wind
how do u know that
balmy wolf
and also, Winter Premiere is the worst NA LAN period
wise mural
he is lucio as a person
tough wind
u cant
balmy wolf
so idk about using it as proof
when almost all the teams participated in it kind of get fucked in the long run
digital pond
I mean just gonna ask what's your goal here Ajax?
tough wind
like u cant say,
"this person is a good tactician"
u can say he is smart
there are plenty of people that are smart outside a game, and in the heat of the moment are really dumb
wise mural
but if his team is winning almost all their games and he does the tactics for the team you can probably say he is a good tactician
balmy wolf
LG Loyal is "on vacation"
Renegades just rebuilt
IMT doing the inconsistent can-can
C7 is no more
Kungarna.....well, half went to TSM jail and half went to Splyce, who also just disbanded their team.
tough wind
lg loyal is diabnded
balmy wolf
no shit.
especially when WPE lacked tier 1 teams like C9 and Fnatic because they wanted to get spanked by Korean bois instead
soft wren
balmy wolf
look @tough wind I like you as a player, but I'm absolutely real when i'm saying that NRG had not been up to par at all
tough wind
why do people have this misconceptoin the teams that went to korea were the best
digital pond
It always feels interesting when the Esport channel is taken hostage by just a couple people.
devout raft
can confirm. I am average intelligence outside of game, and really dumb in it
soft wren
hug me back
toxic yacht
looks at baaam
soft wren
devout raft
so, on the sliding scale π
balmy wolf
and questioned a player of a team who just went 2nd in the argubly toughest region in the game is just laughable
vestal mortar
I am also bad at the game but I talk like I know a lot
balmy wolf
I mean what are you going to do now, boasting about beating Meta Athena in 200 ping?
C'mon
tough wind
R u kidding?
toxic yacht
well, runaway didn't perform very well vs af blue...
tough wind
why does any of this matter
toxic yacht
they really aren't looking that hot rn
devout raft
@vestal mortar you know those dank dive comps right 
tough wind
ur attacking me as a player because i said u cant assume he is a good in game leader because none of us really know that
its a joke
balmy wolf
you literally questioned my logic of why I said Runner is a good player, meanwhile now in your team Harbleu had to help with the shotcalling
tough wind
o
balmy wolf
I'm not even attacking you when i'm trying to just justified how Runner is a good player
vestal mortar
Oh yeah totes, those pro dives knocking the defence off high ground
balmy wolf
despite his lack of mechanical skill
soft wren
digital pond
Man I can't wait for this to be on reddit. What a nice and great thing for the respect of esport everywhere
toxic yacht
wot is going on
devout raft
@vestal mortar clearly the next logical step is for us to begin casting
tough wind
people assuming
devout raft
you do analytical
i'll do play by play
"GEE WIZZ SOME STUFF HAPPENED THERE! ULTS!"
feral solar
can we trio cast
devout raft
sure Jelly
feral solar
i am a silver so ik everything
wise mural
can we quad cast?
devout raft
sure John
vestal mortar
Let's do it!
devout raft
ok now we're cooking
delicate sparrow
what is even going on
feral solar
Sextuple
digital pond
Run around the country casting random SoloQ games
balmy wolf
ask Ajax, idk
tough wind
i thought i was going to have a nice discussion and some light memes, and here i am getting upset some one called me out
im sorry for getting rilled up
devout raft
@tough wind you are much loved β€
digital pond
rip sojum
tough wind
hammeh i love ur content btw
toxic yacht
and stuff
vestal mortar
Love ya Ajax β€
wanton bronze
@toxic yacht gaaaaay
devout raft
too kind, I'm an average montage-er
devout raft
one of these days I will get busted
toxic yacht
reeeeb
devout raft
until then!
vestal mortar
Anem π
wise mural
He's my son
balmy wolf
here I am getting upset that someone called me out
toxic yacht
grandpa?
toxic yacht
can we please drop this?
digital pond
Holy fuck we moved on Reign
vestal mortar
Reign, please, it's over now
wise mural
Yes Grandson?
devout raft
@tough wind π too kind
digital pond
SDB is streaming
toxic yacht
vestal mortar
toxic yacht
digital pond
Ew Pharah
wise mural
devout raft
@toxic yacht what are these montages of which you speak
can you teach me to be MLG?
do i need to no scope more?
toxic yacht
I am not that advanced yet
devout raft
OK. Perhaps Ajax can teach us how to be MLG.
toxic yacht
he's queing for forsak3n
tough wind
i think they are attached
like they had a special chair made for them
toxic yacht
they are kind of a packaged deal
vestal mortar
D'awwwww
digital pond
Like the TJO brothers package deal?
digital pond
Lmao
vestal mortar
Haha
toxic yacht
π
vestal mortar
π
devout raft
sliding into the DMs
feral solar
spicy
tough wind
i keep them nice and locked up, they r my personal memes
feral solar
cant wait to see you on drama alert in the future
digital pond
You know what I would love.
tough wind
what?
digital pond
Tobi tweeting while facing Rogue.
vestal mortar
Ooooh!
digital pond
I think that would be quite glorious
tough wind
that would be priceless
toxic yacht
winz and tobi having a tweet-off
wise mural
When is the Rogue LH game?
vestal mortar
Haha, that would be too good.
tough wind
rogue people dont like me 
digital pond
Apparently Disbanded dig has a game in 3 days
Maybe Tspinna will play since he says he's playing with ex-fnatic
balmy wolf
what drama was that?
digital pond
Who pasted Winz on XQC's Selfy?
toxic yacht
xqc selfie?
https://i.imgur.com/u3kudqA.png
velvet scarab
hahahaha
toxic yacht
I thought that ex-dig weren't gonna play together anymore
eh, probably they're staying together for a few more days
balmy wolf
π€
you have orgs dropping teams like flies
and then you have Laser Kittenz with their 7 man rosters
digital pond
Alicus is 100% with everything Blizzard wants
tough wind
i mean playing on a team rn if ur orgless is like warming up for combine
digital pond
He already stated he thinks 20 mil is a good price
tough wind
ur just playing for self improvement
digital pond
^
IT's why I consider that even if by some magic KR team disbanded
Staying together just gives them more practice
More scrims
More improvement
balmy wolf
we kind of have to wait to see if all the big telecoms company is jumping into the OW scene
toxic yacht
inb4 comcast
balmy wolf
that'd be a sign that OW is truly make it as an esport
tough wind
like if anything some of these teams getting dropped arent in that bad of a situation, they get to do as they please in the months leading up into ow regarding practice and fixing life stuff b4 owl starts
balmy wolf
KR telecoms company, to be exact
digital pond
Inb4 Optimum buys in but their players can't play at the gaming hosue cause their internet is trash
edgy remnant
watchout for me at the combine 
toxic yacht
optimus prime buys players
balmy wolf
and right now with the OWL's uncertainty and World Cup being a distraction at best
the situation is so muddled
toxic yacht
there is the whole theory about blizzard wanting players to be stupid cheap
digital pond
I mean the whole org dropping thing felt more of an issue for endemic orgs if anything
Even if the entire NFL buys in they need players
Players will have opportunities
tough wind
digital pond
I mean endemic orgs were making money before OW
tough wind
they cant keep them captive
digital pond
So dropping rosters doesn't kill their fortune
balmy wolf
dropping the roster now is basically sort of an admittance that "this investment is shit for now"
tough wind
if owl starts and they cant get in u legally cant keep them
balmy wolf
and most of OW orgs had been running on red to begins with
edgy remnant
What big sponsors do teams like LK and LG have?
digital pond
Players wanna play
edgy remnant
Wonder if they're keeping their teams around for buyouts
feral solar
LG probs still have sponsors cause of the cs team
balmy wolf
they already in advance talks with a promising partner
rapid oxide
OWL 
feral solar
they HAD
tough wind
edgy remnant
It'd have to be a major sponsor imo
balmy wolf
Luminosity still probably just throwing money from SK Gaming lol
edgy remnant
Fnatic is no small company either
tough wind
ii wish i could ease all of ur minds, but i dont know anything
feral solar
yeah LG has a lot of money from cs stuff
toxic yacht
well, fnatic's roster has been mid tier for a while now
no surprise that the org didn't feel safe with them
balmy wolf
the most surprising org that still haven't drop their player is actually Selfless
edgy remnant
what does NRG stand for
tough wind
idk tbh
balmy wolf
since Selfless is practically a flipping operation
toxic yacht
NRG = Energy
balmy wolf
with very low overhead
digital pond
I mean I've gotten over my anger of endemic orgs getting skrewed out frankly. That was my main gripes as they have been holding the two twigs that make up OW competitive scene together so far. @tough wind
tough wind
well its basucally a reset for all the teams
digital pond
Well Sefless' CEO has told them according to Emongg that he promised to help them find a new team that buys into the League
delicate sparrow
NRG = Need Real Guac
digital pond
So I'm not surprised he didn't drop them.
edgy remnant
Echo Fox has the money?
tough wind
sephy the owner of selfless is one of the best org owners i have ever met and done business with
balmy wolf
so idk of its validity for now
balmy wolf
@edgy remnant Echo Fox is kind of C9 level of money
digital pond
The owner of Echo fox has money yes
tough wind
rick fox is my daddy 
toxic yacht
isn't selfless looking to sell their roster to an org that can actually get into the OWL?
balmy wolf
Echo Fox had the best Fighting Games stable around, if anything
edgy remnant
Oh yeah, Rick Fox
digital pond
That's what I said sojum
edgy remnant
I'm amazed at C9 money though
digital pond
Reeeeee
toxic yacht
oops
balmy wolf
@toxic yacht that's the idea
toxic yacht
am watching SDB's stream
edgy remnant
the owner of C9 was the TSM manager
toxic yacht
didn't see you say it
tough wind
u said TSM
edgy remnant
for the League team
toxic yacht
TSM 
digital pond
Well C9 has always been a strong companya cross games especially marketting wise
tough wind
i miss regi
balmy wolf
TS "I got beat by Wildcard in MSI" M
vestal mortar
digital pond
And their players always got big numbers on twitch
toxic yacht
c9 was always the meme squad
edgy remnant
but regi kicked sean gares π¦
tough wind
i wish i couldve stayed with tsm longer
digital pond
Aka Shroud, Sneaky, fucking Meteos
tough wind
i lived in a good house with a nice manager
feral solar
sgares drama was lit
tough wind
and in and out burger was close by
vestal mortar
Aww
balmy wolf
there's something amusing about how TSM bungled everything but LoL
and even then
their LoL team are pretty meme-y
in a bad way
feral solar
dont have to be good to make money
edgy remnant
they had a top tier CSGO team but the team split off from the org
and formed Astralis
balmy wolf
yeah
feral solar
he didnt wanna pay as much as they wanted
digital pond
And astralis rose
balmy wolf
Astralis is like top 5 world and won the last Valve major
so TSM's losses, really
and there's also the dumpster fire that is the OW squad
feral solar
i mean before that astralis was shit after they left TSM for months
tough wind
tsm ow was lit
edgy remnant
i remember NV 2.0 debut -> win major 
feral solar
you cant predict 1.5 yrs in the future
tough wind
we were going to be π₯
digital pond
I think he means the more recent one ajax
The one where peeps liek Bischu got screwed
edgy remnant
the games that NV played were amazing
balmy wolf
no, the one with Linepro....
tough wind
i got release was early tho
feral solar
@edgy remnant sucks LG rose at the same time and changed the meta
digital pond
Well the time they had didn't seem fun to themr ecently
feral solar
faster play styles just got rekt
digital pond
Considering some of the extra peeps declined other offers lol
edgy remnant
LG CSGO team suddenly rose form like tier 2 into top tier 1 for an extended period, but their player behavior made the public kinda dislike them
digital pond
They picked up PubG super recently
feral solar
i mean they acted all positive and innocent and then cucked their org
tough wind
its not a team
digital pond
Like after the announcement
tough wind
2 streamers
tough wind
that play pubG
balmy wolf
it is a stream team.
toxic yacht
meme team
edgy remnant
meme dream
toxic yacht
meme the dream
balmy wolf
in NA it is more stream rather than prize pool and podium
hence why it will probably stay the worst esport scene around for quite sometimes.
digital pond
Iono
feral solar
why dont you just @ shroud
tough wind
well we dont have lans
digital pond
LUL
balmy wolf
Hearthstone
edgy remnant
all the LANs died
balmy wolf
still cant erase years of NA Aim, NA smoke, and other shits
tough wind
koreans get to play on 3 ping everyday in hardcore soloq, where we have 60 ping and mercy 1 tricks
and no lans
digital pond
Well LANs can happen due to no tournament realm and other items that Blizz won't give out until OWL comes out
So
ty blizz
digital pond
Different being that KR got tournament realm and freedom
Like most asian countries due
feral solar
i dont get why companies dont let tournaments use their games
balmy wolf
because not everyone is Valve.
digital pond
Well Blizz wants to wait for OWL
edgy remnant
think that's just special for apex
digital pond
Cause they're betting everything on OWL
edgy remnant
wasn't jeff at season 2 finale?
wise mural
rly?
edgy remnant
blizzard definitely recognizes apex
digital pond
Well that's mainly for asian countries Whytro
wise mural
I need to rewatch it if Jeff was there
digital pond
Same reason china in LoL has their own game.
digital pond
Cause everything has to go through Tencent
balmy wolf
CEO of Blizzard?
feral solar
valve has my respect for not caring who hosts tournaments for their games
its free advertising for them
toxic yacht
mike morhaime was watching apex
feral solar
and they are lazy anyway
digital pond
I mean Valve spectate system in dota
tough wind
also there is a lot of uncertainty with lans,
stuff like mei being really good
mccree being better than 76 in some scenarios just because of ping
digital pond
Is also making it easy AF
digital pond
Man
balmy wolf
well, Valve is Valve. They are a company that is big in power but small in size, so they run really differently than most.
tough wind
roadhog becomes way less valuable
toxic yacht
wasn't the Mei bug fixed?
digital pond
KR ping in general is a whole other game
tough wind
its not a bug
toxic yacht
wot
tough wind
on lan mei is better
tough wind
freeze registers ezpz
digital pond
Even if Kr didn't do LANs though they all have under 10 ping for the most part
edgy remnant
lul, would zarya's laser damage be increased as well?
tough wind
like i said in general tanks arent as good on low ping
toxic yacht
basically, at the WC
tough wind
koreans havent had a tank meta
digital pond
Yeah they ran 2/2/2 during triple tank meta
tough wind
that was a bug yes
toxic yacht
I know that linkzr was complaining
edgy remnant
EscA is a filthy Mei player
tough wind
but its still good regardless
digital pond
They never really conformed to tank meta
toxic yacht
yee, mei being better makes sense
digital pond
Just dived it
feral solar
Esca lul
wise mural
Escas great
tough wind
old roadhog on lan was
delicate sparrow
esca is really good at mei and mccree
tough wind
delicate sparrow
his tracer is inconsistent tho
digital pond
I mean he was new to Tracer
delicate sparrow
yeah
digital pond
And had to fill in for LTJ
tough wind
u cant hook around walls if on low ping they are already behind wall
edgy remnant
EscA is apparently a great Tracer, but he's either super unlucky w/ spectator
wise mural
Yeah, he learnt her during apex s2
edgy remnant
or the cameramen are memeing
digital pond
I mean to be fair tons of people mess up in tournaments
wise mural
which is very impressive considdering they won it
digital pond
Camera man at APEX just have perfect timing
To be on him when he happens to fuck up
tough wind
well people seem to circle jerk stuff a lot @edgy remnant
tough wind
ow spectators are like very young in terms of esports it seems
elfin coral
OW = RIP any teams that aren't T1 FeelsBadMan
edgy remnant
like I think Void said something about like
toxic yacht
like, rascal threw a pulse bomb
wise mural
apparnelty the cameramen started doing it on purpose iirc
digital pond
I guess a big part of it too Sojum is 2 things.
edgy remnant
how he was getting destroyed by EscA, but for some reason they would only catch him missing pulse bombs
tough wind
yes, because its a citcle jerk
digital pond
- Monte making the situation worse for Esca
- Rascal being more conistant previously
And getting more room from people
tough wind
like remember juv3nile on RNG
edgy remnant
poor esca
toxic yacht
most of his bombs did damage anyway
digital pond
Monte made this circle jerk more effectiuve
People just heard him and esca, and bad stuff
tough wind
people memed sooooo much for hitting shields with shatters, but it wasnt that much more than counterparts
digital pond
And it caught like fire
tough wind
but it gets circlejerked
edgy remnant
wasnt the "twoeasy is inconsistent" thing also a circlejerk
tough wind
yes
digital pond
IDDQ was the problem
tough wind
there have been a lot of memes with two easy
i used to feel bad for him
then i became a living meme
balmy wolf
all this memes talk
and i just want to see Team USA try outs tomorrow
nice to know that the committee is already off to a good start with KyKy doesn't want to stream and Jason wants
wise mural
I think Jason wanted to but then they as a group decided not to and kyky announced it
delicate sparrow
I feel like ster wouldn't want to stream it either
edgy remnant
the group US is in should be no problem i think
delicate sparrow
yeah US got an ez group. like the toughest matchup is brazil iirc
balmy wolf
personally the event to me is a gold mine in term of attracting PR, viewership and fanbase
digital pond
I mean Jason asked if people wanted to see it
He never tweeted he was gonna do it nor a date
You posted that topic.
balmy wolf
it is very rare that you get an event that the casuals and the hardcore all watned to see it.
wise mural
I really want NZ to actually ho somewhere as the patriot i am but we suck so bad
balmy wolf
having a tryout scrimmage where it is essentially an all star match is great in term of building hype for the team
and also the more transparent things are
the better
delicate sparrow
I think a lot of casuals will be pretty disappointed when teams are comprised almost entirely of pro players instead of popular streamers
digital pond
I think most of the community doesn't really care though v0v
Casual players will be hyped stream or not
delicate sparrow
I feel like a lot of the draw last year was ster and seagull on team USA
digital pond
They'll watch WC stream or not
balmy wolf
@delicate sparrow think of this as their gateway to esport
edgy remnant
Wonder who the UK will send
balmy wolf
hence why I think that it is a really missed opportunity if we don't get to stream
edgy remnant
balmy wolf
Stylosa "let me be on the committee so that I can admin this"
clearly he is a man with a plan.
wise mural
I thought stylosa said he couldn't make it
delicate sparrow
apparently he pretty actively follows the pro scene at least
balmy wolf
and listed 5 different Genji mains in his tweet.
toxic yacht
Sty pretty much said that he'll mostly stay out of it
toxic yacht
I trust in uber
balmy wolf
I don't particularly buy his "oh I want to cover esport" angle when most of his videos are just regurgitation of patch notes and r/OW post
delicate sparrow
genuinely feel like stylosa hyping up the event by being on the committee is one of the best way to get super casual fans interested in it
balmy wolf
yes and no.
sure, you can attract casuals that way
but Stylosa doesn't need to be in the committee to actually do that
he just need to make videos, point people to the right direction, tweet about it a few times during the day, and the hype cycle will sort itself out
but he insists on getting voted in
balmy wolf
not really
digital pond
People will go "Well he was int he committee I wanna see my favorite youtuber's team"
delicate sparrow
yeah but you have to admit that having your favorite (for better or worse) content creator actively involved in the event is a lot more exciting
balmy wolf
last year he was in the team and that didn't drive up the viewership for the UK qualifier matches
delicate sparrow
than just him making videos about it
balmy wolf
so I very much doubt that he right now
digital pond
In the end it actually doesn't matter because if the goal was to get casual super interested
balmy wolf
in a position that he can't play
digital pond
WC wouldn't really be the place
balmy wolf
is the same.
wise mural
Didnt they jusy give ip last year
balmy wolf
idk. At least I know that Stylosa "we are screwed against Finland, Sweden and SK anyway" is what you want for your committee
someone who is only there as a figurehead and cheerleader at best
while the adults sort themselves out.
/s
delicate sparrow
they supposedly tried their best and I remember someone reviewing their footage and talking about what they could have possibly done better but like what can you do really
UK team was hot garbage last year all around
balmy wolf
a lot of WC teams last year was hot garbage
hence why Blizzard tried to make it less of a clown fiesta this year
but of course the voters had to make it a clown fiesta again
by voting Jason Kaplan in because his last name is the same as Jeff
or Poke into the Canada committee
delicate sparrow
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
it's really not that bad tho
you can only fuck it up so hard when you're outvoted 2 to 1
delicate sparrow
he's also friends with huk
forest raven
Surefour would get in no matter who's on the committee
delicate sparrow
yeah
balmy wolf
Huk is probably getting a lot of offers from different orgs now trying to insert their own Canadian players into the squad
edgy remnant
GrimReality might be a better pick over Agilities
forest raven
Grim is US
delicate sparrow
it will also probably come down to agilities vs mangachu
wise mural
Im calling it now, finals between sk and either china, finland or france
digital pond
l0l
edgy remnant
lul
forest raven
Get Train in there
digital pond
Sure can genji train can tracer
agilities flexes better than grim imo
His Hog is legendary
edgy remnant
I always thought Grim flexed better than Agilities
balmy wolf
Grim had been cold the last few weeks
digital pond
I mean Grim isn't their flex
delicate sparrow
surefour is such a good player to have in a situation like this tho. his hero pool is massive enough that he'll have something to play no matter who the other pick is
balmy wolf
the million dollars question though
is whether or not
xQC will make the Canadian squad
eck dee
delicate sparrow
#1 winston NA
delicate sparrow
oh right
devout raft
the UK committee has, by sounds, already extended itself to get a wider bunch of people involved
Part of the goal of OWC is to try and broaden interest within the OW player base for OW esports, surely.
wise mural
It worked for me
balmy wolf
UK have decent range of players to choose from. Now to get the normies to interests in the competitive side of the esport is a whole differnet matter
devout raft
so - from that perspective - I'm totally supportive of content creators getting involved, providing it's just made clear.
digital pond
I mean it's not like if you get people interested they have much to look forward to currently
wise mural
The OWC got me into the korwan scene with gpt me ito the esports scene
digital pond
Except wait for OWL.
devout raft
I know Stylosa will give his all to promote team UK.
and if more people in the UK who play Overwatch follow the OWC, then awesome.
totally get that the committee voting panel thing seemed a bit confusing
"team manager or pro or youtuber"
in some cases
wise mural
Lol
balmy wolf
lesser evils are still lesser evils
devout raft
I'd have no problems if they were, if it made sense for their country/committee.
balmy wolf
he could pulling a fucking Freedo
delicate sparrow
why didn't all of youroverwatch get voted in to both US and UK
devout raft
were they even on the shortlists?
wise mural
What is a 'freedo'?
delicate sparrow
nah
wise mural
I hate youroverwatch with a passion
devout raft
they work hard. I can't fault that.
delicate sparrow
I really like that they line up their footage about how op a given character is with footage that shows exactly how not to play that hero
devout raft
as for content..opinion is personal and subjective π
wise mural
But they advise people on the wrong things
balmy wolf
@wise mural he recently got meme'd for suggesting that Team USA should have Taimou, Dafran, Soon and one other EU players to be on the Team USA
devout raft
i am in a glass house there. i can't throw rocks.
wise mural
XD
rapid oxide
And dafran
balmy wolf
Surefor, Dafran, Taimou, and Soon for team USA
rapid oxide
Purr american blood
balmy wolf
Like, this is the level of idiocy that everyone was scared of whenever they talked about content creator
devout raft
content creator or youtuber, or even "non esports dedicated youtuber", doesn't necessarily mean they have no clue about esports π
delicate sparrow
it's weird to me that no one in the chat even questioned it
devout raft
but yes, I can understand the wider, general concern.
the point someone made about having people on committees as cheerleaders/coverage i get though - you don't have to be on the committee to do it
wise mural
The thing that imo is worst about that is that he he calls them the 'skilled positions'
devout raft
but as the committee travels with the team, it helps to have a "field journalist"
to cover it as they go
wise mural
Like saying DPS are the only skilled players, the rest are just ok
digital pond
So r/OW finally got the clip of Kayuun killing Calvin's Genji.
One of the comments
"How did genji get his dash back"
delicate sparrow
they've always had a weird insistance that dps is effectively the "carry" role or the most impactful regardless of the meta
wise mural
Look at RJH or Miro or Kaiser
delicate sparrow
also obviously kayuun was hacking duh
wise mural
Kaiser literally won a match for runaway
With his rein play
Maybe they would have won anyway
But he made sure they did
delicate sparrow
kaiser has won a lot of matches with nothing but huge earthshatters
wise mural
RJH does so much for his team but it's clearly not skill he's just very lucky or everyone else is bad
Supports can't be skilled
Confirmed
digital pond
With all the dive happenning at GM supports knowing how to position and react is so important
wise mural
Top 500 isn't just DPS mains
digital pond
It's so easy for an Ana to get insta gibbed
wise mural
Exactly
delicate sparrow
supports/tanks are possbile of being played with bare minimum skill a lot more effectively than dps but that doesn't mean that they don't also have massive skill caps
wise mural
I agree
edgy remnant
there's a good amount of pharmercy onetrick duos
wise mural
Lucio probably has one of the highest skillcaps in the game now, he's a support
digital pond
And loads of support mains
It's also region specific
Asia has had top 10 with Rein mains at times
wise mural
Didn't someone prove the DPS mains get more SR than the rest
delicate sparrow
no
balmy wolf
wise mural
Miro was in top ten for ages in KR
balmy wolf
delicate sparrow
that's always been a rumor but it's been disproved/discredited a lot
digital pond
I mean all those threads say "They're all dps" did anyone count it
Or we're going off of stream games
wise mural
Lol
balmy wolf
it is not as insistence or annoying as people who play supports and keep going on about how supports always get lower SR
delicate sparrow
I'm sure some channel out there has done the numbers
digital pond
Yeh lots of Anas
toxic yacht
during tank meta it was a bunch of ana mains
it's juest because the meta favours dps
balmy wolf
geezus the amount of smurfs
toxic yacht
back in tank meta there were a ton of tanks ana anas
delicate sparrow
I know skyline has a video where he talks about most popular heroes by rank and ana was (at the time) the most popular at diamond and up
and rein was like 3rd most popular
digital pond
And yeh a lot of smurfs in top 500
balmy wolf
a cursory look at the leaderboard
told me that in a page
there's about 8 to 9 DPS mains
2 support mains
and about 1 tank main
per average
and each page about 10
delicate sparrow
I wouldn't be surprised if that was close to representative of the community as a whole
dps is the most appealing role by far
wise mural
Very true
balmy wolf
it is easier to climb with DPS because it is a more carry-able roles
with the sole exception of Cantus
top 10 of NA right now is filled with DPS players
wise mural
Cantus?
balmy wolf
ie the boosted Mercy main
wise mural
Oh
balmy wolf
and the rest is still DPS
Kephrii, Calvin, Graceful, Space, etc etc
Support can carry games, sure
but OW is still a game about killing stuffs
and who's best equipped at killing stuffs? DPS mains
digital pond
After top 100 there's more diversity though.
delicate sparrow
yeah
digital pond
See a lot more off tanks and tanks mains
delicate sparrow
top 500 zarya/hog mains are a dime a dozen
digital pond
Yeh
toxic yacht
how is this even esports related?
digital pond
IT's in relation to the comment made by the you overwatch person
saying dps is the skilled position while talking of Team US
delicate sparrow
it's a weird tangent about something that was vaguely related to WC
digital pond
Just play Mercy and get Exxu to carry you
delicate sparrow
same
digital pond
Cause during that game going off tank wouldn't work played tracer for the first time.
devout raft
was my eventual learning
digital pond
Ended up carrying and getting potg so
Iono I see the same with off tanks.
Especially Hog and Zarya
toxic yacht
now this has been completely derailed
digital pond
And now Dva
toxic yacht
where are polo and draw when we need them
devout raft
yeah my bad
toxic yacht
devout raft
i'm off out
digital pond
You're not even participating
devout raft
have a good one π
digital pond
You're just complaining for the sake of it
pine star
Now kiss
digital pond
Ew
toxic yacht
no u
digital pond
Cooties
vestal mortar
π
balmy wolf
ZP once said that
until you reach 3.5K
you are better off just picking DPS
and grind it up
lots of it usually just come down to mechanical skills
vestal mortar
Me too
rapid oxide
@devout raft content creator care about esport only when they can benefit from it
narrow wigeon
Unlucky
pine star
You got styled hermano
clever wagon
Mainly the S76 skillz + tracking but those aren't bad bonuses to have @McSullivan
toxic yacht
you're on mobile, lul
normally I'd say that getting rekt by a zenyatta isn't anything to be embarassed about
but LUL
pine star
Fuck mobile Discord man
clever wagon
Yee boi
pine star
solid spear
Ah so Rise and EG are qualifying nice
balmy wolf
wintry matrix
i'd be very triggered if fucking denial got invited over other teams
pine star
π― π―
supple nymph
crisp lynx
C9 Rise EG Faze NRG RNG a lot of NA talents
pine star
I'm curious to see this new Rig roster play 
pine star
Who do they play first?
crisp lynx
nV vs Meta first
pine star
Rip nV
supple nymph
crisp lynx
LUL
pine star
Pesto is on fire lately
limber pine
MFW pesto isn't on this server
rapid oxide
Im a pesto fangirl
toxic yacht
Convince pesto to rain his memes down on us
rapid oxide
toxic yacht
pure kettle
go go gadget feminist siren!
balmy wolf
@supple nymph IKR
clever wagon
Whelp
limber pine
jkap laying down the law
pure kettle
idk why u wouldnt stream something to hype up team USA π
wintry matrix
i think the problem isn't even that they aren't agreeing on something, and more that they make this disagreement so public
it sounds like they haven't even talked to each other
balmy wolf
one guy in KR
one guy in NA
one guy in EU
i'm surprise none of them haven't hire assassin to kill one another yet
lol
supple nymph
why did they even be nominees then lol
if they arent even gonna be in USA leading up to the cup
balmy wolf
beats me
supple nymph
it's not like they are in different universes
if they do calls in the morning there should be enough overlap
supple nymph
if they all hate each others guts who arbitrates
solid spear
I mean ultimately I just think itd come down to what most the players are cool with
pine star
lol rip USA
limber pine
http://team-dignitas.net/articles/news/overwatch/11135/team-dignitas-parts-ways-with-overwatch-squad
limber pine
yeah, and the rumor was 
and 
balmy wolf
wut
balmy wolf
I know?
limber pine
i'm confused
balmy wolf
Alicus said there were 5 more teams to drop
Dig, Loyal and Fnatic are 3 of them
2 left
limber pine
oh i see
fnatic and loyal aren't confirmed tho, and dig is the first formal to drop
*first to formally drop
balmy wolf
That team is currently deciding whether or not to keep the name LG Evil or revert to Luminosity Gaming now that the organisation only has one roster, according to a player in the team.
unless whoever that is is lying about deciding the name change
Pretty much confirmed
limber pine
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
balmy wolf
Especially with Ube trialing for NRG and Loyal's overall poor performance over the last few months
balmy wolf
Splyce, coL, Denial, Fnatic, TSM, Red Reserve, Loyal and Dig
I have a feeling TN eSports is next
digital pond
TN?
limber pine
Toronto
digital pond
Oh
digital pond
haha
blazing parrot
haha xd
digital pond
i forget NiP exists
iron cedar
What does that mean?
@balmy wolf
balmy wolf
what does what mean
limber pine
it means eUnited and Renegades give him bingo
balmy wolf
or GFE and IMT
balmy wolf
yeah
iron cedar
What does it mean thou?
solid spear
just saw the red wedding thing on survivor overwatch from yesterday lol
balmy wolf
wintry matrix
btw, if hulk quit, who's NV captain?
digital pond
Holy
Mendo
"Who is gonna win nV/MA" "MA is gonna win, that's what I believe"
Talk about timing
balmy wolf
?
balmy wolf
okay?
digital pond
Yes?
balmy wolf
I dont get whats so special about that
digital pond
"Talk about timing"
balmy wolf
k
digital pond
kk
supple nymph
balmy wolf
lol
i just wonder if there's going to be those who are like "but if Seagull were playing USA would have a real shot"
rapid oxide
As the lord Pesto said
Better 2/3 team at level of rogue/envy instead of 10 with shitty performance
he didn't say exactly that
but you get the point
dig is out in this "10"
balmy wolf
so
Jason confirmed that there will be no streams
because players voted out that option
rapid oxide
what jeff said?
pure kettle
Possible faces of the USA Comp Scene don't want to be seen.
π€
seems like we're gonna have a great group of ppl for NA!
supple nymph
RIP
gentle shuttle
supple nymph
blizzard assumed 3 grown men could get together and agree on things on their own
what fools
toxic yacht
guys