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2MUCHWATERGGEZ
i can't believe
birdring much better tracer than soon atk
soon is losing to birdring
is this their usual outfit?
soon is almost non-impactful
sailors Imean
yes lol
birdring's tracking is insane
why birdring is really good
I dunno, I think soon is pretty even with birdring
best tracer?
birdring has something to say
lol
Just KDP team was able to put a lot more pressure so birdring had more space
best tracer in the world?? no
saebeolbe is better imho
Soon had a good showing on the first round
KDP had a different outfit last season but they changed sometime inbetween
plz no pharah rogue
Pharmercy 
oh dive from rogue
Torb 
does rogue play anything other than dive
torb pick loooool
nope
rogue plays dive a lot
rogue plays only dive
all rogue knows is dive really
and sometimes they pick pharmercy
KDP has a really good anti dive team
WIPED OUT
rip
TORB LOL
KDP needed someone to sit and protect their ana, like road
What was that?
lol
oh this arhan-style dragonblade
akm lmao
ez lucio kill
If they were Korean they'd be fired, and arrested
Oh noey 
wakawaka just dies constantly it seems like
lol
i'm hoping for full hold from rogue
doubt
last push inc ๐ฆ
I kinda want KDP to win tbh
lul
rogue tilted as fuck from first game
Nico is playing so little Genji today
seems like 3-0 for KDP
im Korean so have to back my people ๐
rough
Oh shit Rogue is down one set 
THAT HELIX
jesus
rogue getting their shit pushed in
they've got unkoe on zen now
1 good helix made irrelevant lol
inb4 3-0
solo ult ๐
holy shit rogue so far up
totally worth
akm is doing so much rn
akm... has good aim
SoOn has missed so many Recall chances
go KDP!!!
KDP ๐
yeah soon's recall has been supbar this match
BIRDRING carry plz
this series*
If Panthera wins this set, it's gg
wallhack by knoxxx
RIPPPPPP
gg
Wish I was seeing 
this is it
@pine star void dva ulted and got 3
and here comes 3-0
GG
no way Rogue will win 2CP
kek
GG!
gg
KDP rekt!
damn korean overloads too stronk

rogue threw
outplayed
rough group for rogue
they really need something other than dive

Or something that allows akm to do shit without his entire team being dead
Just stay out of Korea lol
What comp is Panthera running?
can imagine they beat lh later
and that dva ult is straight dva ult
kdp is running mostly dive
lel
cant
but they will swap winston for rein
Hoo Wee rogue getting crushed
not even launchingit in the air
Tell me if Rogue wins 2cp because I'm not watching anymore
Im biased but Rascal is godlike
@forest raven spoiler, they won't
It's not KDP being so much better than Rogue as Rogue itself having unusual issues
@pine star https://puu.sh/vNElD/75b224f8ee.png
and then 2cp nico tilt again
E.g. SoOn unusually missing so many Recalls
just forfeit, rogue
Soon is underpeforming tbh
^
yeah soon is the problem
so..any hope for french winning the world cup?
He is, but looks like it's not his day
thay also do have great tracers
it happen
Nico DVa... unkoee not pulling out Ana even in the slightest
soon isn't on esca level
world cup maybe but apex nah
if he's on esca level
we can expect him being godlike soon
because esca is underpeforming at the beginning
then he can start rekting
but he keep losing 1v1 as tracers
tbh Diablo's more fun than watching the best team in the west getting 3-0'd by a top 5 Korean team
@pine star and of course https://puu.sh/vNEuJ/303be83097.png
Top 5 
you are talking like Birdring is some kind of garbage player from challenger league
wtf guys
He noticeably missed 2 Recalls with so much window to safely activate and keep fighting
hes not "fluid" on his gameplay
dunno how to explain
looks like he's playing like a robot
One of them being the 2nd checkpoint for KDP offense when he jumped off the balcony with so little HP and not recalling
IIRC on Oasis he also missed another Recall
i think Winz won't tweet that much today 
My boy SoOn not carrying? 
Right, City Center map
When he was being jumped by Fissure, both with little HP remaining
But both ended up dead
WINZ TWEETING AKM FEEDING SOON GRIEFING ROGUE LEAVING
hanamura
Oh noey :C
gg wp
no sombra 
Me tuning in Rogue 0-1 and losing Numbani https://i.imgur.com/cMWalaa.gifv
Lol
korea doesnt care about the dive bullshit
like NA does
they just eat it and go on
@balmy wolf 
korea ran dive during the tank meta...
LW Blue beat LHs triple/quad tank with a dive
[ENG] OVERWATCH APEX S3 ENERGIZED BY HOT6 - AF Blue VS. X6 Gaming | KD Panthera VS. Rogue - Clipped by ikomatsu
during the IEM finals
HANAMURA YESSS
has rogue won a single hanamura game?
also, hanamura is the map kd panthera takes people to to crush them
just saying
soon fucked
lol, overwatch pacific championship with 50viewers
LMAO
rogue throw

wtf
rogue doesnt know what to do
๐ญ
lul rogue
they held
they all play solo
๐ฏ
๐ฏ
DEAD
SoOn pls
BOOM HEADSHOT
Switch Widow pls 
"tracer battle wasn't worth it" ???
he missed a bunch of shots except that one tracer kill
LMAO
triple supports
triple support
@toxic yacht Rascal on fucking what now?
wot
TRIPPLE SUPPORT
what is happening
BIRDRING tracer inspires me to work on my tracer
Are they fucking memeing?
KDP LITERALLY TROLLING
NiP played 3 supports
3 supp 
a long time ago
dps ana ftw
That one guy is gonna have a field day
You said it, a long time ago
lol
2 dps, 3 supps, one tank
Let me fucking remind you guys
I don't know how to feel :C
wth
nip's triple support was bc they were bad at ana and wanted triple tank
It's not enough tilting rogue for this game, they need to tilt rogue for the entire apex
probably luffy is gonna play zen like a dps
KDP is not stressing about Rogue now
kdp throwing cause they have a 2-0 lead
plus it was 50% discord and 80 dps ana
remember, rogue lost to NRG on hanamura
throwing
/s
Oh boy the memes are real
I need to watch this match
this looks winnable
They'll cap this push
LUL
lul
i think they want to deny zenyatta
i hope ana will boost lucio
5 ults
i have faith in my KDP boys. they're just playin like a cat and a mouse
don't throw kdp
Friendly reminder if Rogue lost here a certain someone is going to have a fucking field day
actually, pls throw
5ults lets go
@clever wagon what?
ah, finally
5 ults not winning 
wtf
I can't fucking tell if they're serious or not
DPS ANA HERE WE GO
This Nanovisor though
But then again I'm not gonna be able to see any of it
BIRDRING
wait what
LMAO
lol
my boy AKM
I mean, I'm liking this
they aren't swapping
Koreans making me doubt my frenchies 
alright boys, time to actually try to win
rascal throw
I want my bois from france to win
nvm
lul
KDP throwing to make better TV
finally genji
Soundbarrier + visor
this feels like a statement tbh
o
1 minute swtich
Rascal will get a blade
lmfao, they may actually have thrown this offense
they doin it

fissure LUL
wtf
Jfc internet so fucking shit I'm watching a mosaic I can't even enjoy because it's not porn
rogue is gonna hold
lmfao
but will Rogue capture 2nd point?
KD PLS
Will rogue capture 1st point?*
lul
TRICKLE
I just noticed Nico isn't using a gaming chair
game 4 boys
ok match fixed
here we go
if rogue turns around and wins the entire match off of this I'm gonna shit my whole asshole out
^
stream it
and also match fixing
Fucking what now?
Inb4 they cap first push
torb on defence
yup imho
he did it
What is going on? 
rascal
god bless korea
hahshahaha
most exciting event of the series
ana
it was most skillful jump on torb
am i the only one going for KDP here? lel
SoOn has been really underwhelming on LAN 
They're testing comps, might as well test jumps
lol
KDP throwing so hard
THERE IT IS
Soon's tracking is not good at all
I hate this
@weak bloom I'm not going for anyone if it makes you feel better lol
rigged tournament
I'm just a SoOn fanboy
k-drama
Too bad he's playing like shit today apparently
He just sticked his bomb on nano-Wakawaka S76
๐ข
^
Sombra 
SoOn 
@balmy wolf He only played Genji in 2 instances today, that A cap and Numbani 1st point offense
I mean since coming to Korea @clever wagon
Great day
nano sombra
Still, just adding to the fact that he's not playing his normal performance

testing strat
kdp is literally throwing this game
๐คฆ
gg
jeez
GO MY BOYS
oh my fucking god
ROGUE WINNING 2CP VS KDP
lul
LOSING VS MIGHTY AOD
LOOOL
nuuuuuuu Kongdoo Curse!
throwing
i lose every single bet on this match
nah
kdp threw so fucking hard

@forest raven rogue won
KDP threw that to take it to a better final
Wouldn't it be funny if KDP loses twice by getting reverse swept?
๐ฅ ๐
well, this should seriously boost their motivation
@pine star now they prob will, i think
I haven't seen anyone throw that hard since nrg ran solo tank roadhog with 4 dps during like. atlantic showdown qualifiers or something
TACTICAL PAWS
coaches: "stop throwing"
either they won on hanamura or they get fucked
DUGHDIFHJDFHB
TACTICAL PAUSE_
WHAT DID KDP DO
@forest raven KDP went triple support on atk and threw
mfw my team throws http://i.imgur.com/rBrUJJa.png
sombra in defense
WHAT
lmao
that's almost meta there
@forest raven they were running 3 supp at one point
but ana.....
you don't just try her out mid game
right
"when mommy wants a new LV bag" -KDP throws
they ran double support with dps ana

LOL

he swapped way too late
sombra is a good pick, dont blame her 
๐๐ป ๐๐ป
I think they just got overconfident, lost their mindset
I like seeing Simbro on Anubis
i could see the ana dps working tho
REVERSE SWEEP INCOMING LETS GO BOIS
Sombra worst hero confirmed
it was interesting
Ana DPS works in solo q only lol
@pine star 
Dont even think it'd work in solo q
@rapid oxide 
๐ Go ๐ Baguette ๐ Boys ๐
so escort now?
Yeah hybrid last
Imagine if they picked Gib lol
Well
I miss 4tank meta when I could play ana and ez carry team
Rogue showed incredible initial attack on both Gib and Dorado offense
AutoKorrect -20:44
Ana DPS works in solo q only lol
dps ana just doesn't work at all
Why is Kongdoo dressed like sailors?
especially after dmg nerf
DPS Ana worked when she had 80 dmg
Im wondering why Knoxxx is wearing his wedding ring on his right hand
it's just their clothes
Because they do cute uniforms every season
KD always has uber fancy clothes
This season is sailor time
Last season uniform was fucking lit imo
I GET IT
I GET IT
I don't get it 
pls
Don't let KDP get it
Yeah I loved their uniforms last season, so good
agreed tho kdp's uniform last season was fucking good
mfw nico's genji has been such crap that he's on dva the whole time 
No NiCO Zarya 
oh shitmada brothers
Rogue take this one, KDP take next map โ

nico getting the nerves on LAN 
no lucio on either team
birdring can play on every dps hero?
birdring is extremely flexible
@Jackie and off-tanks
same with rascal
taimou wouldve hit that
widow 76
nico LUL
LMAO
easy first point
eh, the blade was a waste
SHIT ON
I'm not watching it, but listening to it, I have to question
aKm pls swep to cree and carry their asses
Has Rogue got a kill yet
yes
2 i think
l o l
on the widow
Lol
soon killed birdring
This match needs to be recorded and shown to every player that attempts a comp game.
lul
Maybe, just maybe, they'll go "oh, even pro teams don't win every game" and we'd get less "shit team, I'm throwing" behavior. :P
gg
KONGDOO NO BRAKES
this needs to be shown to those people who keep saying "rogue is the best team in the world" for some reason
no aim no brain
Rip Rogue win streak
korea is another world
lul
KDP! Awesome
xd
"ROGUE LOOKS CONFIDENT" GETS COMPLETELY FUCKEDDD
What map are they on?
route 66
route 66
Welcome to Korea Rogue. Goodbye!
I don't think I've seen such a one-sided payload win before.
yep korea is the next level and rogue cant see to handle it
na
man it's gonna hurt when they still lose after the hard throw
that was insane wtf
rogue are just playing poorly
I've been saying that
@balmy wolf we not good at many things but esports we the best
nico looks so uncomfortable
that dva ult + earthshatter was godly
why they put rogue on group a
nico has been playing like crap since AOD
Because fuck OGN grouping
they need TviQ to carry them again ๐
and next match lunatic hai
2 obvious consecutive death group in 2 seasons
you cant blame groups because they would have had to play vs these teams sooner or later
Taimou cheer for KDP lol
I wonder what the difference is between Korean teams and other teams that makes them so much better.
Imagine current Rogue with TviQ instead of Nico 
SOON PLS
@weak bloom Still not seeing Korea on 2 games with the biggest prize pool in existence
@dusty surge teamwork, hard work, and a higher skill average in their region
it's ok we dominate nearly everything
@clever wagon well korea doesnt play dota2 or csgo so
BOOM DEAD
BIRDRING PLS
yea whatever that is
FPS games in general not popular in Korea
I think EU and NA are better individually, but korea got the coordination and teamplay that beats anything
until OW
report mercy bad rezz
because most gaming done in PC cafe, which don't have great PC hardware
@foggy obsidian yea but then you see players like flow3r,rascal and ryu
I think pound for pound Korea outweighs the west in every aspect, the west just has more extremes
we are better at BM and drama
flow3r does have a lot of potential, and ryu is godlike, but I still think eu or na have better individual players
Korea has never focused on strong individual creativity and skills. It's always been about teamwork and ult management
Faker is an exception to the Korean model
Lol
bird get off HOG!
WOooo rogue
bird should've stayed on tracer to counter soon
Unkoe is carrying as hard as he can
It's like... comparing a 4k Hog to a 5k Hog 

Holy
Cmon Rogue
uNKOE is so good
putting unkoe on anything but zen is just throwing
Fuck em up real good
so good
wut
gg kdp
gg

Time to tune out
I stg if KDP throws again
would've been a loss in old season 1 tiebreaker 
Is Nico actually using G300s or is it another mouse I don't know about???
Kimchi > Baguettes
lol
Game still going on or?
yes draw
its over lol
rogue getting fucked
lul
Oh noeys
l o l
They have no ults but pulse bomb
they barely have a chance yo contest
can AOD beat KDP???
Wakawaka almost rez
Rez and blade for next fight
I feel like its over
Unless NiCO gets a god blade
Which doesnt seem likely
HAHAHAHAH
going by previous preformance
DEAD
Yep
lul
lul
Fuck sake NiCO
nico
the "god blade" lol
Wow. Why were they diving so deep?
is this where we laugh at nico
REEE
ez money
REEEE
rip
N I C 


rogue fans on suicide watch boys
nithrow
๐ฐ๐ท
L O L
Kimchi > Baguettes
Korea's just fucking better
both
KDP isn't that great in Korea lel
rogue is the best western team but they are in korea now
nico
I mean KDP almost beat LH, arguably the best team in the world
KDP is stacked this season, wtf
rogues first loss in like 6 months
hope rogue will become less obnoxious
panthera brought lh to 5 games they are looking good
Whos is envyus versus in the next game?
@delicate sparrow but so did Runaway
KDP went 2-3 against LH

Of course Polo!
@foggy obsidian meta athena
envy vs metha atena
Thanks
the match was rigged, Rogue didn't have as many RGB lights in their computers
wut
Now Rogue has to beat LH to get out of groups

nice watermark loser
thanks mate
no
Looked like only ones pulling their weight was unkoe and akm
Yeah he doesnt seem comfortable at LAN
nico and rascal are night and day
He really hasnt been doing good
unkoe was popping off
Western team lose Apex because of 2CP
nico lan problem
actually, rogue won the 2cp map
Western teams lose in APEX because the teams they play against are better than them
oops

I thought KDP thought that was a scrim so they were testing triple sup

2cp is 1 out of 5 maps
I honestly can't tell if Rogue was just not communicating properly or if KDP was just really good
people also dont consider where they are playing, obviously kr have an edge
this series is weird. I expected Rogue to lost 2CP, but somehow they won that
triple support
i have to watch vod
twitch memes are da best
test out torbjorn jump
since its their hometown
@balmy wolf rogue mis coms
and also, noted on KDP's comp. They are doing the comp that very anti Rogue
well what else would they play lmao
so they obviously studied it well
yeah, KDP was countering rogue hard
I was leaning that way because of how much I love Rogue, they also just didn't seem anywhere near as coordinated against NA teams @drowsy arrow
nv vs meta athena should be telling tbh
Like yeah ik "NA teams lul" but their ult management should really be the same
But it was pretty terrible today
yeah well @balmy wolf they had goofy choices that they wouldn't play against other teams
i should go watch it live
Especially NiCO
but it's so far and it's 10pm
nv looks to have been practicing dive, so hopefully we wont see stale triple tanks from them this time
But dunno if they're gonna test it out now
I feel like NiCO is the weak link atm
Defensive widow on Route 66?
that's rather oblique
i think it's free entry too
i dont think LH will lose to Rogue
almost 35/40k accross all the views
that much is given @edgy remnant, but historically LH and Rogue are 1-1 in their series
Turns out my prediction was actually correct 
so I do hope for my French boyz
@spring lintel we were right man
there was that argument that LH stumbled in their match against KDP because they couldn't get enough practice with the new changes, but LH basically reverse swept
there's no way LH loses to rogue. even if they do they still shouldn't make it through groups. KDP shouldn't lose to mighty aod
this grouping, man
Man only if Apex groups werent hot garbage
rogue needs tviq back

wait how is that a spam
Classic NA cycle. I have seen it happen for years in LoL and now it happens all the time in OW as well.
- Import team/players from EU, because domestic teams suck
- They are on 15644664664 games win streak playing in NA, because no competition
- People start believing that this team is best in the world
- Go to international tournament and get dicked.
@balmy wolf IKR
tobi was looking somewhat uncomfortable on new Lucio, but I don't think LH will lose to Rogue unless they're in extraordinarily poor form
If you can make tviq French
@balmy wolf Mercy bot straight up deletes any and all Twitch emotes
tobi being uncomfortable on lucio is probably still better than 99% of all lucios atm
Friendly reminder that similar death grouping happened for the 2nd consecutive time
sadly enough i heard that the 4 french didnt like the 2 sweds and would talk in french etc etc
What was more common in League are random KR imports, like tier 2/3 KR imports
First Misfits fell victim to this shit
and then they perform poorly
but tviq was crazy
[ENG] OVERWATCH APEX S3 ENERGIZED BY HOT6 - AF Blue VS. X6 Gaming | KD Panthera VS. Rogue - Clipped by Piwali
it's like the teams randomly think "all KR pros must be godlike"
I remember a joke, where OGN stated that nV can come back if they seed them the same way as last season, and nV accepted
Groupings don't matter, if they can't beat potential grand finalists in groups they wouldn't have won anyway
LH runs dive better than any team in the world rn. if all rogue has is dive I don't really see how they can win
although claris and munchkin arent really tier 2/3, we'll see how it works for laser kittenz
@forest raven meanwhile nV has repeated favorable groupings
That doesn't really apply to apex tbh
Apex is very long
You can massively improve between the groups and finals
i expected rogue vs nV finals 
๐
: We want you back for Season 3.
๐
: No.
๐
: We'll put you in the same group as last season.
๐
: Deal.
doesnt matter because rogue would have to play vs these teams regardless
Still relevant
just later on
Runaway also got dicked in the groups but got to the finals because their group wasn't this tough
@crisp lynx i'm a Rogue fan and even then that's highly optimistic
RunAway and LH didn't do so hot, probably because they couldn't fit in as much practice since they were both finalists
Rip hulk
Well. Should have won 3-0, but we threw the game ourselves. That's on us.
Just gotta focus on LH now, i'm sure we will beat them.
So yeah, groupings do matter
well at least Rogue understood that they threw the game
A lot
whoever said that groupings doesn't matter, like IDK, AFB somehow managed to get to the final of season 1 with such sterling opposition like BK Stars
That 1-1 is less than irrelevant
I don't want it to tip into LH's favour
the 1-1 is less mattered now with new roster and everything
NicoGDH is getting exposed though
he tried to dragonblade 2 backline support in Route 66 and get insta-melted
meanwhile in NA he could probably get 2 kills
Reading the reddit comments though, I feel like this is closer than the scoreline indicated
I doubt these blades would even get kills in NA
NiCO has had performance anxiety
I know that it's not relevant at all, I just like counting scores
well yeah, games can be closer than the score indicates
Really not showing up on Genji
Also I heard Rogue threw with Pharmercy on Oasis?
https://puu.sh/vNGTo/22723c8335.png well rip chances of having seagull for WC
@supple nymph which thread
and also
reddit suddenly calling Rogue out for one tricks
meanwhile LH's shtick had been largely unchanged
like wut
Holy shit
It's so obvious that flame is memeing in his tweet and Reddit is taking it as the sky is falling
He wasn't memeing though
That is his USA lineup
That was his serious roster
note the obvious lack of shotcaller for whatever reason
Emojis is really misleading
He says that God's and seagull's gamesense is super good
Bipolar is right - I remember seeing a lot of people talking about how flame would've been the best analyst pick, but then when he didn't get on the panel, a bunch of people were like "i didnt like that guy anyways"
So he'd like them to flex between support and dps
Bipolar or lack of individuality
both of them no shotcalling experience
Seagull also said he would like to play supports more
A terrible case at that
Eh, dunno if rawkus shotcalls
When he plays lucio and forsak3n is on Zen he may actually be the one making calls
Part of me just died today
Feels good being right
Matt calls
Who is matt...?
Coolmatt?
ah, coolmatt
my picks would've been like flame + monte + kyky or something for US panel
Vonethil was Fnatic's shotcaller though
I thought you were talking about faze

Monte?
i just voted runner, themarine and some random guy
You know more than 1 person can shotcall right? @balmy wolf
I voted wat7 and 2 people we don't know
monte doesn't really know a lot about NA overwatch
i didn't know enough about the other members
Flame ZP and Kyky

@balmy wolf yes, but Vonethil was Fnatic shotcaller, and even after a communication overhaul Fnatic still doesn't look that good
he was the one calling everything majority of their time.
flame/monte/kyky would've been an interesting mix imo because they can pitch in what they know from their regional expertise
wasn't vonethil considered a really strong shotcaller?
More like until idd left
They were only decent because tank meta
Haffi is just bad
that probably killed them more than anything
And honestly has terrible decisionmaking
@rapid oxide called it 
buds was great at reaper but no beyblade meta so what's that worth really
he got exposed hard
Yee, he was a good dva
@toxic yacht I heard it straight out of their coach
before Vonethil was calling everything
after KR losses
Ahh
they restructure their comms
now their roster is only 3 as Stoop moved back to analyst
so main tank, main support and flex DPS is needed
gambler mccree skin is on https://www.twitch.tv/fullcircle
what happened to uh
Stoop moved off the active roster?
custa
When was this?
@toxic yacht yes










