the heros in the first 4 heros are heros that can be run in dive (this includes Ana which is still ok in dive)
#esports-discussion
solid spear
Hog, Zarya, Rein, McCree etc have significantly lower usage because of their inablility to be run in the dominant comp
balmy wolf
the meta we have right now
is actually very close to the season 1 meta
where Pharmercy was also somewhat omnipresent
and dive was good
wintry matrix
i do worry that with soldier's nerf phamercy will become onipotent
onyx shore
can it be prevented by reducing pharah rocket damage?
balmy wolf
Pharah and Mercy alone by themselves isn't OP
but together they are just awful to play against
onyx shore
like nerfing direct hit to 100
balmy wolf
good luck having 150dps rocket to your face
balmy wolf
he was 30m in the beginning of the game
and after the McSniper buff
somehow they scrolled it down to 25m
instead of just revert it back
the only time Blizzard ever revert a change was with projectile hitboxes
they seems really dislike going back
clever wagon
Like fuck double hitscan is supposed to counter Pharmercy but S76 only puts out 19 per hit in the ptr which is easily outhealed by Mercy, while McCree with even less mobility has to stay in a range so far that his falloff hurts him more than Pharah rocket itself
Geezus
wintry matrix
is there any way to fix other than buffing too much hitscan or reworking mercy?
balmy wolf
they will eventually nerf Pharmercy, but good luck waiting for a few months before they actually do it
wintry matrix
i mean, i guess maybe dva can shutdown enough for mercy to be killed
i dunno, maybe we're all exxagerating and just too lazy to find ways to counter it
i do have this lasting impression of the western pros being somewhat too rigid and stubborn
clever wagon
Dva has to pay attention between eating rockets and protecting from enemy ground level attacks
wintry matrix
pharmecy is mostly on attack isn't it?
nvm i actually am just a plat scrub, dunno why i'm theorizing
clever wagon
Imagine if you face a good s76 in enemy team
You'd also want to consider using Dva to focus and harrass him from getting a good shot
But then theres still pharmercy
So you're mostly fucked
balmy wolf
D.va can help relieve pressure from Pharmercy
but she by herself can't kill Pharmercy
so it is really boil down to whether or not you can survive the Pharmercy barrage to kill the groundlings first
or hope your hitscan is Taimou level of head click
clever wagon
Dva has to pay attention between eating rockets and protecting from enemy ground level attacks
Yes
wintry matrix
it would be cool to have another hero if aerial abilities to contest pharah
wintry matrix
to counter pharmercy or just your ideia?
bc to counter i don't think it would change much
except if the plan is too run triple hitscan
balmy wolf
there are still niche that the game can filled
i don't think it will totally solve the Pharmercy problem though
because the balance between hitscan and Pharmercy is too precarious
wintry matrix
i'd prefer if mercy was just reworked tbh as her E does nothing
maybe change the way her shift works too
balmy wolf
her E as a cleanse will make her extremely OP
why run Ana when her nade will get counter by the cleanse?
and that's not mention that Mercy with Pharah is safer, more firepower, and rez is still a good ult whene using it correctly
so yeah
wintry matrix
not necessarily cleanse, just something, like Symmetra
like, maybe make shift a escape/teleport, so she can't be with pharah all the time or something
balmy wolf
GA is already that though
wintry matrix
but like, say, instead of being an all directions maybe just teleport her to one team mate, instead of flying around, maybe lessen the time she can float, maybe increase this reworked GA cooldown
just spitballin
balmy wolf
GA at least give people a chance to shoot at her though
direct teleport is just a really convinient no punishable escape ability
most mobility abilities are punishable
an outright teleport doesn't
hence why Sombra with her teleport is really annoyng to play against
wittle her down to like 10 health and then she just teleport away
wintry matrix
you could argue that Mercy teleporting away means she is hindered in her ability to heal, depending on how this teleport ability would be
jagged fjord
i feel sorry for the PR people at blizzard after people calling the new "World cup" as heavily rigged
Snake seeding with rules that rig whole plays who until blizzcon LOL
only way this will be awesome is if there is an upset and a high seed gets in
"Regions will not verse until blizzcon" - So the top 4 seeds in the World are slit into each region 😃
balmy wolf
the alternative though
is something like having Rogue, KDP, LH into one group
with AOD being the obvious shit the bed pick
i'd rather have the former
just so that we will at least have a stacked 8 teams group
in Blizzcon
feral solar
why did they had to make the rogue match second :/ it will be around 1 am for me by then
balmy wolf
i might just go to sleep now
and wake up to catch it later
even though i intended to stay up for it
rapid oxide
clever wagon
What happened with Bischu and TSM
balmy wolf
@clever wagon at one point TSM roster was going to be Bischu, Linepro, B1am, ConnorJ, EFFECT, and ryb
and at some point Calvin was also signed or something
but as we all known
it kind of dissipated
clever wagon
AuTSM dropped the ball once again
balmy wolf
They dropped fucking Astralis
rapid oxide
i would add "MSI" 
balmy wolf
TSM getting beat by a GPL team
rapid oxide
as i said, they dont give a fuck about anything that's not lol
brave spoke
na lol is a joke
balmy wolf
C9 and CLG did better internationally though
TSM been choking since like what, 6 years ago?
rapid oxide
NA is a joke on every esport iirc
balmy wolf
it is
historically it is the weakest region in every esport
except maybe DOTA2
DOTA 2 is weird because it is a three way arm race between CIS, China and NA
which is great
meanwhile CSGO is just EU all days
and LoL....well, KR
onyx shore
in recent years not really
NA got EG and DC for dota2
but still not as strong as EU or china
rapid oxide
delicate sparrow
seagull is a lot better at hitscan than I thought he would be
toxic yacht
I mean, pretty much every pro plays hitscan at a top 100 level or something
it's just that his hitscan doesn't hold up when playing in an actual professional emvonment
delicate sparrow
yeah. I just remember him making a big deal out of him not really playing hitscan at one point but he's actually pretty good
I mean obviously he's not the best
onyx shore
does he hate tracer for some reason?
delicate sparrow
yeah but it's just memes
he like jokingly refused to play tracer in beta so he just turned it into a meme. and he never really needed to anyways so
onyx shore
does he even play tracer on stream?
delicate sparrow
nah
I don't watch his stream super often so I could be wrong but I've never seen him do it
balmy wolf
he only plays 76
76 is super easy for people with already good mechanical skill to begins with
delicate sparrow
mccree too now apparently
balmy wolf
SEagull? I don't think he ever play McCree on stream
toxic yacht
he played a bit of cree back in ye olden days iirc, double McCree op fth bullshit was it?
also, he had a hitscan stream
two days back or something
played mccree
he also has a video of his cree gameplay on his youtube channel
solid spear
McCree was balanced
delicate sparrow
nhl limit old mccree so everyone just ran 2 mccree's and spammed fth
balmy wolf
left click tank buster. Why need Reaper 
Reaper is always kind of the victim of these meta changes
first McCree did his job better
now 76
and also Pharah
delicate sparrow
honestly we're kinda just in the same meta we were post mccree nerf now
soldier and pharah on like every team
just dive is better than it was
toxic yacht
lol, true
it's like an advanced version of the post cree nerf meta
triple dps is also popping up again, just more coordinated and advanced
with different heroes
also, no hero stacking
vestal mortar
Yeah seagull played McCree on is alt account recently on stream, even uploaded a video on his YouTube yesterday.
gentle shuttle
Seagull said it best himself recently. Just because DPS players are kinda of confined to either hitscan/projectile in an esports environment, doesn't mean that's all they're capable of playing
rapid oxide
sirens
toxic yacht
snow sigil
can anyone shed some light? if i had a team and i wanted to play in the upcoming pro league, i'd have to PAY 20 MIO DOLLARS?
snow sigil
what is the org?
toxic yacht
c9, misfits, FaZe, nV
snow sigil
so my team
toxic yacht
you have a team, big org with much money picks up your team
big org pays an unspecified amount of money for a city spot
onyx shore
why e-sports need to be segregated by sex?
toxic yacht
city prices are handled by bidding iirc
snow sigil
wow.. thank you.. wow
onyx shore
if a girl is as good as seagull,she will be hired by pro-teams,right?
toxic yacht
yes, she would
rn we just don't know of any girls who are as good as TviQ or whatever
onyx shore
i mean
it's not sport
if it's football or basketball i can understand
but this is e-sport
onyx shore
why e-sports need to be segregated by sex?
snow sigil
it's not really
it's just that most of the time men are better and thus they're being picked up
snow sigil
because most of the time women are worse at the game and thus they're forming their own "fair" playground
toxic yacht
because they'd most likely get completely destroyed by the "male" teams
due to whatever reason there just aren't as many girls who play video games at such a stupid high level
velvet scarab
delicate sparrow
tbf it would be pretty hard to deny that super competitive gaming scenes typically aren't that welcoming for female players. it's probably less that there aren't girls that have the talent to perform at that level and more that they feel discouraged from pursuing it
I imagine the all female teams/leagues/etc are more of a way to try to draw girls to playing at that level since it's a more welcoming environment than it is any serious attempt to segregate the two
feral solar
most of the tournaments are open to female teams
if they can qualify
i am not 100% sure how it works in overwatch but in csgo atleast
delicate sparrow
yeah, but it's more of like a promotional thing. I'm not saying that female teams can't play in regular tournaments or even t2 tournaments, but if there are tournaments specifically aimed at female players they'll obviously be more open to playing in them
like they'll actually feel welcome to try to do it, whereas they might not feel the same for other tournaments
feral solar
they probably wont get enough sponsors since not many people will watch those game
people want to see high skilled players
mostly
delicate sparrow
yeah but you don't really need a ton of sponsors to run a tournament mostly for the fun of it
toxic yacht
yee, I know for a fact that I won't watch less skilled players because reasons
onyx shore
well,without the money,no incentive to run the tournament
toxic yacht
kinda sucks since this type of thinking will never lead to more girls being in eSports
reeeeeee
feral solar
they have girl only tournaments in cs and they barely get 10k people and cs is so big right nw
now*
ow it will be even lower
wary falcon
x6 or AFB?
feral solar
AFB hopefully
wary falcon
x6 did great in their previous match
delicate sparrow
I mean the incentive is mostly to try to get girls actively competing in the game. I doubt anyone would actually run a female only tournament for $$$
feral solar
i dont see what's stopping them?
wary falcon
But i think nobody cares about this match here
everyone just waiting for first Rogue loss
am i right?
delicate sparrow
I mean nothing, actively
feral solar
there just arent as many tournaments in overwatch yet
lets see how ow league goes
i dont really have high hopes for it
feral solar
yeah
onyx shore
then we're screwed
feral solar
they are taking so long
feral solar
people give shit to valve but they just let their games become big without even doing anything
they just suck at communicating
delicate sparrow
honestly with as hard as blizzard pushed for this game to be an esport I'm shocked owl is taking this long. I mean we've known around when it would be for ages but it's still crazy. esp considering how dry the scene is as a result
wary falcon
just let their games become big without even doing anything
CS:GO and Dota are enjoyable to watch
even for beginner
onyx shore
@feral solar that's just prove how good dota2 and their community,even though the game is hard to play and understand
feral solar
i meant more with licencing stuff
toxic yacht
blizzard most likely announced the OWL so early because they didn't want the scene to mature
toxic yacht
if they had let it grow they would have had to destroy everything
onyx shore
arrange 4 major tournament
culminating in the summer
crowdsource the prizepool
let the scene grows with many lessers tournament
can you imagine the shitstorm if somehow valve announce dota2 league tomorrow?
wary falcon
can you imagine the shitstorm if somehow valve announce dota2 league tomorrow?
it will be the same as Reborn drama or 7.00
wary falcon
and OW is extremely bad for spectating for new players
feral solar
everyone with the same haircut is so cute
i just find ults too fast idk
for viewing purposes
feral solar
yehh
shouldnt be like that
or fights just rely on who executes faster
not even necessarily better
onyx shore
and when there's a pharah on a team
the spectator keeps the camera on that pharah only
delicate sparrow
honestly everyone says ow as a horrible for spectating for new players but I don't see it. it's a million times easier to understand than dota2 or lol
feral solar
i have no experiences with mobas so couldnt comment on that
onyx shore
even though so many things on the screen
moba is top down view
i hear csgo spectating is better
how is it better?
wary falcon
Yupp, this is why Mobas are great to watch
onyx shore
i never play csgo
wary falcon
CS:GO is slower than OW
onyx shore
and ofc need more good casters
toxic yacht
cs is slower, spectating tools are better
onyx shore
i hope beyondthesummit will keep their overwatch casting division
delicate sparrow
I mean top down isn't super helpful when you still have to explain items, jungle, lanes, etc
wary falcon
Anders (top caster from CS:GO) tried to cast OW
feral solar
cs is just a simple concept
toxic yacht
and cs has been a thing for what, 18 years now?
people have TONS of experience
they know how to spectate and follow the game much better
delicate sparrow
compared to ow where you just have to understand like what? payload and ults
feral solar
well even with eleague
toxic yacht
can predict when a play is about to happen
wary falcon
OW is really fast
toxic yacht
you have people who've been spectating CS for longer than a lot of people who play CS are alive
wary falcon
You need to understand what happening but you locked to first person view
delicate sparrow
you don't have to be
feral solar
team fights can be a cluster fuck sometimes
onyx shore
then again idk how the spectating experience could be improved
wary falcon
Just imagine TDM Quake spectating
feral solar
hard to tell what happened for new people
foggy obsidian
I really think ow needs two views, like one small view in the corner of the screen
OGN does it sometimes, very very rarely
feral solar
im curious to see what they will do to spectator mode for owl
feral solar
whew i thought afb threw that
toxic yacht
the world cup did it
delicate sparrow
honestly tho if I were brand new to the game I'd rather see a mccree hitting heads from a first person view than anything top down or third person. I don't think the average viewer would have trouble understanding that. certain heroes like ana obviously are a bit more confusing but still
foggy obsidian
world cup so long ago can't remember :S
toxic yacht
made ube's swords during NGE garbage
vestal mortar
3rd person dragonblades 👌
toxic yacht
vestal mortar
😉
wary falcon
i think ultimates charges should be much slower
foggy obsidian
I also think they should add it so the spectator can see the hp of allies through walls for all heroes
delicate sparrow
if ultimate charges were much slower entire characters would just feel kinda useless tbh
like mercy would be garbage
toxic yacht
genji would be much worse
delicate sparrow
zarya would be significantly worse
foggy obsidian
Slower ult charge would destroy the concept of hero switching
delicate sparrow
that too
feral solar
i would like them to be slower too but not too much
onyx shore
i only wish two things
toxic yacht
especially since they lowered it by 25%
onyx shore
1.more heroes
feral solar
like not every fight should have ults
toxic yacht
making it even slower would discourage switching even more
onyx shore
i want to see every player using different heroes
wary falcon
OW needs better maps, replay system and more heroes
foggy obsidian
I don't think we can do much against mirror, but if they do add more heroes, then this might become less common
wary falcon
more heroes means pick-ban system
balmy wolf
arhans dragonblade vs the air
feral solar
AFB looking good
delicate sparrow
pick/ban would require a crazy number of heroes added to the game
vestal mortar
only 3 more heroes this year and then they want to reduce the amount of new heroes added over time.
onyx shore
30 is enough
foggy obsidian
I don't really like the concept of a ban system in this game...
feral solar
yeah pick ban will take a while
foggy obsidian
Say you got a pharah, and ban ALL hitscan heroes
delicate sparrow
like rn if a team picks ana and bans mercy you'd be stuck running dive at best
onyx shore
so you alternate the pick-ban
foggy obsidian
Maybe if there's like 50 heroes or something it would work
onyx shore
this encourages tactics and counterpicking from the start
feral solar
Twitter
wary falcon
iLampan
Say you got a pharah, and ban ALL hitscan heroes
delicate sparrow
even if you alternated it it would still be crazy with only like 24 heroes
wary falcon
not really, just a few bans
wary falcon
so you need to choose between mccree ban or ana ban
onyx shore
dota2 changed their captain's mode system few times
foggy obsidian
I'm really against the concept of banning heroes in OW, but if we get a lot, a lot more heroes then it might work
balmy wolf
pick ban is a terrible idea in this game
unless they make it so you cant change heros
toxic yacht
also, countering
onyx shore
then pick 9
balmy wolf
which would never happen
toxic yacht
you'd just ban the counters
delicate sparrow
it would make really good players boring to watch honestly. banning mccree/widow every time you see taimou in a game bc chips had to rush to pick ana
toxic yacht
of your best hero
onyx shore
you can alternate between those 9
foggy obsidian
Just 9heroes would limit it too much
toxic yacht
also, you can have the same hero on both teams
feral solar
monte and thorin had the pick/ban discussion in one of their episodes
toxic yacht
ow just isn't compatible with pick-banning
feral solar
i cant remember which one
toxic yacht
even pros don't like the idea
onyx shore
this pick-ban would be the end of that same heroes
feral solar
but monte had a good explanation
delicate sparrow
sure but it wouldn't be good
wary falcon
Arhan Orisa
balmy wolf
playing vs LH ban ana and winston
wary falcon
foggy obsidian
If you can only pick a certain set of heroes, then you can't do certain comps
balmy wolf
vs rogue tracer winston
feral solar
by the time its even considered there will be so many more heroes in the game
wary falcon
i'm so tired of dive comp
toxic yacht
it just isn't compatible with the design of OW
onyx shore
that;s why i said need more heroes first
if it's done with the current hero pool
it wont work
delicate sparrow
literally you can ban one hero and destroy an entire team comp
feral solar
arhan orisa picj
toxic yacht
ow by design relies on counters
feral solar
k*
toxic yacht
you repick counters
if the other team rolls something else
you could basically have a dive team that cripples it's best counters with bans
foggy obsidian
I don't like the pick x amount of heroes to play, but I could support a ban x amount of heroes system if we have enough heroes.
delicate sparrow
also torbrissa is amazing on hollywood 1st so I'm not super surprised
foggy obsidian
Say reaper turns out to be extremely extremely op and has a new beyblade teams can run to wipe, then you can choose to ban him and not worry about just that
foggy obsidian
the torbrissa fullhold inc lol
delicate sparrow
torbrissa specifically
onyx shore
this is dota2's http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Game_modes#Captains_Mode
there's an order of ban and pick
ofc the team would alternate
delicate sparrow
someone tell this idk guy to stop right clicking from like 15 meters away
foggy obsidian
damn
wary falcon
idk guy?
delicate sparrow
casters overhype tac visor so hard. like you know it's just not going to do anything but they're just freaking out
the lucio/off support for af blue
foggy obsidian
Do teams usually swap the 2nd healer for torb?
delicate sparrow
yeah
onyx shore
so you swap ana with torb?
delicate sparrow
no
wary falcon
ana+torb
foggy obsidian
not the ana holy shit lol
wary falcon
you perphaps played on 2CP with symmetra+torb and solo Ana
but on pro level people pick torb/sombra/sym instead of 2nd healer
delicate sparrow
ana solo healing isn't too bad in ranked but it's map dependant and the ana has to be super confident
feral solar
x6 still running triple tank
wary falcon
yes, but in ranked ana solo has sym and torb
feral solar
why
wary falcon
in most cases
foggy obsidian
I really like the sombra 2nd healer
foggy obsidian
I still remember CoL? I think on volskaya running sombra and rushing into the big hp room on first point
onyx shore
if the leaks were true,would that summoner hero change the meta
or would she be useless
wary falcon
summoner? like Torb with his faithful minion?
clever wagon
X6 is... well
feral solar
they are getting smashed against dive
delicate sparrow
why does x6 play like an NA team
feral solar
i dont get then triple tank at all
onyx shore
yeah
clever wagon
Roadhog vs Barrierwatch Winston and Orisa is... meh
foggy obsidian
cus it's ez
clever wagon
@delicate sparrow fucking kidding me? Current younger NA teams are better than that
delicate sparrow
true
wary falcon
i love memes about NA CS
delicate sparrow
triple tank in sk is insane tho
onyx shore
Ivon: (I want this actually) tall lanky old Russian man in a suit, uses swarm bots, has resource mechanic like Torb. Ultimate is more bots
wary falcon
but NA OW is decent
onyx shore
if these leaks were true
delicate sparrow
I mean that they're still trying to run triple tank defense
which pretty much only NA teams do
foggy obsidian
Summoner could work on defense, but I think he'd need a gap closer
Depends on how the summons work I think
Does he summon them from himself? Then he's going to really struggle on attack vs teams that go high ground, or dive comps
onyx shore
this is bria : Concept but entering initial testing soon. Area denial hero, think a Mei with a rapid wall ability. Designed to lock off certain areas of the map to assist her team. Can’t lock off multiple routes at once. Ult electrifies anything between two of her Wall bars.”
this is doomfist : He’s a Reinhardt & Ulted Lucio / Roadhog counter with a rapid charge and grapple ability. His ult is AOE with 100% damage on any target in the center and 5 second knockdown on anyone within 5 meters of the impact zone.”
onyx shore
this is ivon : Currently planned to be a Russian Defence hero, effectively a Torbjorn Symmetra hybrid capable of producing weak swarmbots and controlling their direction and tactics with his abilities. Like a Mini-RTS. His Ult doubles his current number of Swarmers. (Also there’s planned to be a delay before each swarmer is complete, if that makes sense: you can’t spawn all swarmers on the first point, you need resources to do it: think Torbojorn’s armor).”
wary falcon
ah good ol' Ivan
foggy obsidian
ivon*
wary falcon
russian defence hero named NOT ivan?
delicate sparrow
depending on the range you can control them from I imagine he wouldn't be that bad on attack either
free pick in exchange for what is effectively a turret would be pretty strong
vestal mortar
👏 Group 👏 of 👏 death 👏
past oar
did rogue play already?
quasi python
rip envy
past oar
did i miss it?
feral solar
rogue play after this game
past oar
sweet! right on time!
foggy obsidian
lol
delicate sparrow
I'd be shocked if they didn't
feral solar
or 2 more potentially
foggy obsidian
what is next map?
feral solar
dont know yet
past oar
did Rogue face KDP during the OMM?
foggy obsidian
2cp lul
delicate sparrow
@past oar even if they did I wouldn't consider it an accurate match
wary falcon
3rd map is always 2CP
vestal mortar
Only Meta Athena and Runaway were in OMM
past oar
ah, yea that's right!
past oar
that was Meta Athena
delicate sparrow
volskaya is the best 2cp idk why ppl think anything different
feral solar
i prefer anubis over all the other 2cp's
delicate sparrow
it's the least draw-friendly
past oar
@delicate sparrow yea, totally. was just wondering
wary falcon
oh our meme hero Arhan on genji
foggy obsidian
I prefer volskaya, got more high ground and more routes
onyx shore
volskaya and oasis are the worst
wary falcon
best genji in the world
foggy obsidian
I think oasis is one of the best maps in the game :S
vestal mortar
People playing Sombra on Anubis makes me like watching it haha
delicate sparrow
timeboy losing a 1v1 to a lucio
foggy obsidian
they couldve gotten that point even if widow was afk
clever wagon
@vestal mortar what's up with nico
vestal mortar
This is what's up with NiCO
past oar
good thing the team is just too good
delicate sparrow
that guy looked so sad
clever wagon
past oar
isn't Sombra on Anubis supposed to replace one of the supports?
floral harness
Unkoe told on stream that Nico performance was meeh because the desk is not really adapted to lefties and because of that Nico was uncomfortable during the whole serie
clever wagon
That explains everything
vestal mortar
Aww NiCO 😢
floral harness
Still a ''meh'' excuse tbh
clever wagon
What a rightist, OGN
wary falcon
meh? i call it bs
past oar
how can a rectangular desk be adapted to lefties?
lmao
ogn's desk is just a regular desk
foggy obsidian
maybe chair position at left and monitor right infront, and mousepad space on the right, and you cant move your chair
feral solar
sombra is too OP
foggy obsidian
this is looking like an easy hold for AF
clever wagon
What's this game again
past oar
doubt you can't move stuff around tho
velvet scarab
nice strats
delicate sparrow
I imagine it's less the desk itself and more the setup. if the desk is set up for right handed people it can feel pretty uncomfortable
velvet scarab
just go left everytime until it works
feral solar
yehh
velvet scarab
Lol
foggy obsidian
lol
feral solar
but i think no matter where they go it will end up the same
foggy obsidian
They really need to split dive or something
feral solar
they have to attack before he gets the ult off
clever wagon
What the fuck is this
delicate sparrow
have these guys played ow before?
foggy obsidian
they ALWAYS go left and ALWAYS gets comboed all of em
feral solar
this
feral solar
imgur it
foggy obsidian
they literally just ran straight for point one by one and it worked better than anything they tried before
past oar
so teams are actually starting to play more sombra in the dps role?
feral solar
yehh cause the sombra ult didnt happen till after they got the first two picks
wary falcon
not really
feral solar
depends on the map really
wary falcon
as second healer mostly
delicate sparrow
sombra is typically off support but sometimes it's dps
past oar
i mean, i've seen her more as support
balmy wolf
shes better as support imo
past oar
now DPS are picking her up
balmy wolf
for 2cp at least
past oar
that's wierd
delicate sparrow
yeah. sombra thrives off low healing
foggy obsidian
what comp did they run?
onyx shore
mercy widow
delicate sparrow
there's no way this works even a little bit
foggy obsidian
did sombra switch to tracer at last second?
past oar
didn't see
foggy obsidian
lol genji cant climb
past oar
i believe sombra can work great in most maps
wary falcon
arhan LMAO
past oar
people just don't practice her enough
wary falcon
he is like Arteezy of OW
clever wagon
Double jump and then climb, ArHaN
foggy obsidian
I think their thinking was, use sombra with dva+winston to get ulti every fight, and nano winston to do dmg uncontested
balmy wolf
yea just really on capture points
past oar
yep
wary falcon
TIME TO WATCH MY BOY ARHAN SLASH ONE PERSON
foggy obsidian
X6 with their own sombra, except replaces ana
balmy wolf
things get tricky during payload
foggy obsidian
theyre already looking majorly fucked
past oar
she works well on University as well, Oasis
balmy wolf
yea she is a niche pick honestly but shes really good
foggy obsidian
LOL
balmy wolf
x6 on life support
delicate sparrow
lol
past oar
didn't we see her last week on eichen?
clever wagon
Here we go
past oar
don't remember who played it
feral solar
and girls
foggy obsidian
Time for some actual overwatch
feral solar
im happy it wasnt 5 maps
forest raven
C9 played Sombra on Eichen
past oar
yea, that was it
balmy wolf
not sure if x6 is trash or afreeca is good im thinking afreeca is good
they smashed runaway also
delicate sparrow
I think x6 is trash tbh
wary falcon
x6 was pure garbage
delicate sparrow
I mean af blue isn't bad but
wary falcon
and my boy Arhan was wall climbing like a god
foggy obsidian
yeah, x6 was trash this game
past oar
what happened to evermore?
balmy wolf
streamer now
feral solar
dont blame them
wary falcon
his own will
feral solar
streaming so so much more money
past oar
he was a one trick anyway
wary falcon
i hope shroud from C9 will do the same
balmy wolf
but he was crazy with hog
wary falcon
crazy with hog?
foggy obsidian
I think it's funny how seagull was like "I don't think I'm gonna stream that much, playing OW proffessionally is more of a dream that I want to achieve"
balmy wolf
evermore
feral solar
he got countered last season
wary falcon
i don't think so
foggy obsidian
and now he's only streaming with 20k+ views
feral solar
but he was still really good
past oar
you don't really wan't a one trick hog in your team
weak bloom
Seagull wasn't just a hog
past oar
evermore wasn't good on hog in pro?
weak bloom
he's amazing on Hanzo as well
past oar
what are you talking about?
foggy obsidian
I think evermore was good on hog, but that was all he was
clever wagon
Let's boost "RUSH LEFT <put Korean equivalent to cyka blyat here>" to be OW meme
wary falcon
evermore was average pro hog
weak bloom
X6 SMH
wary falcon
do you think he was better than Taimou or Harbleu?
foggy obsidian
actually, yeah
past oar
he solo carried quite a few games
that wasn't avg at all
he was above avg in general, but he only had that hero
wary falcon
maybe i'm little biased against him because i lose a lot of money because of him
past oar
which is not good in a team environment
foggy obsidian
I haven't seen evermore in a while, so taimou might be better
weak bloom
evermore is streaming this and making his own commentary....but it's in Koreanl
delicate sparrow
evermore is a full time streamer now iirc
past oar
starting to wonder if this actually gonna be a good game...
weak bloom
make way more money as streamer TBH
past oar
kinda thinking rogue will steamroll
balmy wolf
evermore and rascal carried kongdoo for the most part and they got a win over lw blue due to his clutch hooks
foggy obsidian
I think rogue will win, but don't think it'll be by that much
past oar
3-0 Rogue, my bet
foggy obsidian
rogue
wary falcon
HAHAHA
foggy obsidian
na strats
wary falcon
wrong chat*
3-0 Rogue, my bet
Rogue can't play 2CP maps
they really can't play, i think X6 will win on Anubis
weak bloom
ill be very interested to see if Rogue can deal with Korean strat and teamwork
past oar
Rogue still too stronk @wary falcon
past oar
comeback potential is insane for that team
wary falcon
2CP has 2.1 on Rogue
foggy obsidian
KDP did manage to take 2 games off LH
wary falcon
yeah but they don't practice 2CP
past oar
will there be 2cp guaranteed?
delicate sparrow
yes
past oar
idk the map rules this season
wary falcon
first map is control, third one is 2CP
foggy obsidian
Betting on 3-2, or a close 3-1 favouring rogue
wary falcon
Jackie -18:49
- Control
- Hybrid
- 2CP
- Payload
- Hybrid
if i'm not mistaken
past oar
prob will be King's Row
wary falcon
HEY Rogue will win with their captain afk on payload
wary falcon
they are strong
foggy obsidian
LH 3-2
past oar
oh, damn
delicate sparrow
they took the first 2 maps again LH pretty decisively
and then LH reverse swept them
foggy obsidian
ah, the old classic, "pretend to lose and then run them over"
past oar
saebeolby too stronk
onyx shore
lol
foggy obsidian
the fucking sailor uniforms, everytiem
onyx shore
sailor moon
forest raven
Every time Lunatic-Hai plays 2cp they drink the salty tears of western teams and can't lose
floral harness
The korean jerseys daaamn
onyx shore
well
foggy obsidian
sailor moon koreans vs manly french
onyx shore
no one beats that eternalenvy word art t-shirt
wary falcon
time to watch my boy unkoe to steamroll this naabs
eternalenvy word art t-shirt
GEBAK?
weak bloom
lel
hey don't knock Sailor Moon
you'll have many angry school girls and some 40ish men on you
onyx shore
sailor jupiter best waifu
past oar
go team france
wary falcon
Wasn't the LH 3-2 Rogue in Apex S1?
onyx shore
is it confirmed?
wary falcon
Rogue rofl stomped everyone
onyx shore
france will send rogue
wary falcon
but then they picked EnvyUS
past oar
if that's allowed, then i'd say yes
wary falcon
and managed to lose
onyx shore
i dont think there's any rules preventing that
clever wagon
balmy wolf
and that series tviq went crazy
past oar
if blizz allows that, it will be pretty stupid
wary falcon
it's just boring, i don't want to watch 6 best players to play against 6 best players
balmy wolf
france will send rogue korea will send lh
wary falcon
anyways Russia will have COOLLER
onyx shore
sorry
wary falcon
balmy wolf
best french team possible is pretty much rogue tho
past oar
NA is gonna send some twitch celebrity, i bet
wary falcon
seagull i guess
past oar
i mean US
clever wagon
delicate sparrow
rascal already won the entire match via the interviews alone
clever wagon
To be frank, you don't want EscA on SK until he can be more consistent at the very least
There are a lot of better DPS in Korea than EscA atm
balmy wolf
the korean WC roster i would like for korea is rascal,flow3r, ryu, miro,tobi,zunba
balmy wolf
possibly kaiser
onyx shore
underage can play
balmy wolf
pine then
past oar
seija wasn't esca the shotcaller?
onyx shore
yeah
clever wagon
You can play with guardian/parent agreement
balmy wolf
or whoru
wary falcon
anyways he has hand injury
rapid oxide
Rogue jersey makes me wet
pine star
What happened to Nico?
wary falcon
i don't want to see how SK will stomp everyone
balmy wolf
it because his aiming method is so wrist heavy
delicate sparrow
I don't see how sk won't
balmy wolf
^
vestal mortar
🙏
wary falcon
it because his aiming method is so wrist heavy
it's a huge problem for pro gamers
wrist injuries
weak bloom
i won't hurt my wrist because i practice using it every day 😉
wary falcon
they are playing on low sens and due to that move hand a lot
onyx shore
rogue's jersey reminds me of team secret's
balmy wolf
yea but alot of pros use arm as a pivit point im pretty sure he only uses wrist
pine star
Low sens arm aiming > High sens wrist aiming
balmy wolf
yea
weak bloom
TBH yeah if only wrist it does get sore
foggy obsidian
I'm trying to learn arm aiming
weak bloom
i had same problems
delicate sparrow
honestly if I was SK I'd just send LH instead of trying to make an all star team that potentially has awful chemistry
past oar
nico plays on arrow keys wtf
wary falcon
old school
weak bloom
when i played COD pro leagues wrist was everything because of flick style of play
but OW so different
foggy obsidian
I think SK has enough godlike players that they can just make a meme team and it will beat anything
balmy wolf
did you play cod on pc or something?
weak bloom
yes COD4
balmy wolf
ok
past oar
are you talking about SKT?
foggy obsidian
south korea
delicate sparrow
why can't teams play more lijiang
weak bloom
with hitscan arm and wrist can fatigue fast
wary falcon
Oasis
balmy wolf
lol so boring to watch now becuase skt always wins
past oar
thought skt was ready to get into ow
balmy wolf
depends im guessing you dont play it
weak bloom
actually ROX tigers is 15-3
balmy wolf
so yea it would be
foggy obsidian
LoL has it's ups and downs
foggy obsidian
I really really didnt like the time when games would be a farm fest for 1hour cus you cant capitalize on anything or push
wary falcon
somehow
past oar
man, arrow keys... nico
weak bloom
TSM currently higher rank than SKT right now lol
balmy wolf
yea but rox tigers disband
past oar
not even numpad
clever wagon
Fucking hell internet I gotta watch this don't fail
balmy wolf
their new roster is not good
wary falcon
AKM PHARAH
balmy wolf
they are a good team from taiwawn
pine star
balmy wolf
taiwan
pine star
Shit they're onto me 👀
foggy obsidian
wakawaka sniped
weak bloom
Interesting
foggy obsidian
LOL AGAIN
weak bloom
@balmy wolf 한국인?
balmy wolf
@weak bloom but they wouldnt be top 6 in korea
foggy obsidian
rogue is so defensive
wary falcon
is Dafran cheating?
floral harness
Dafran has.. good aim
foggy obsidian
is that akms 3rd tac visor
clever wagon
SOON
wary falcon
i heard that Dafran has vac ban
delicate sparrow
he didn't cheat, supposedly
vestal mortar
👏 Rogue 👏
foggy obsidian
pharah vs akm lul
past oar
stomp
forest raven
Yo
clever wagon
THAT
wary falcon
https://clips.twitch.tv/KindRelievedHerringOSfrog
what do you think about it?
floral harness
Nico's matrix !
wary falcon
it feels like pixel bot
clever wagon
The casters didn't mention that massive hit on Rascal
velvet scarab
@wary falcon dafran got his VAC ban lifted
foggy obsidian
You can get a vac ban lifted?
balmy wolf
yea
foggy obsidian
inc c9 from twitch chat
wary falcon
or you got vac during vac errors
balmy wolf
^
supple nymph
c9s at 500 and rising
supple nymph
overload
weak bloom
#RogueThrows
vague eagle
what am I watching?
balmy wolf
c9
wary falcon
why c9?
past oar
oh, man
velvet scarab
@vague eagle do u watch ow tournaments
balmy wolf
korean overwatch league
delicate sparrow
if rogue can't win control I don't think they can win the match
balmy wolf
ogn is a company
vague eagle
i call it ogn since lol days
wary falcon
Rogue must win 1 map
vague eagle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wary falcon
if they want to win series
balmy wolf
idk why they would go with pharah when rascal is the better between the 2
and unkoe is fucking up big time
weak bloom
Birding tracking makes me moist.
foggy obsidian
unkoe on zen was a lot better
balmy wolf
exactly
past oar
akm's pharah sucks
vague eagle
is this group stage?
past oar
never been good
wary falcon
Why they repicked Soldier
balmy wolf
doesnt suck but not near rascals level
wary falcon
AKM is god hitscan
foggy obsidian
yeah they shouldve stayed zen soldier, or ana instead and akm on soldier
balmy wolf
comeback
weak bloom
jesus BIRDING
wary falcon
oh god
balmy wolf
yea rascal and tviq are the 2 best pharah players
rapid oxide
balmy wolf
akm is good but he cant compare
forest raven
University surprised me, but the rest didn't
past oar
birdring is outclassing soon
forest raven
Pharmercy is really good on Oasis