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#esports-discussion
balmy wolf
lol why sorry
cinder zealot
At least you're not Mendo and ZP rn
pine star
ripe marlin
could we get mendo vs zp serious
balmy wolf
probably not tbh
supple nymph
@ripe marlin like a street fight?
ripe marlin
yeah like a no holds bar one @supple nymph
did mendo or zp or anyone release a statement on that fight at least apologizing to the other
balmy wolf
@ripe marlin no.
ripe marlin
sucks
ripe marlin
lol i guess
balmy wolf
there are streamers who are org related
think of Seagull with NRG
he is technically one now, actually
ripe marlin
can't wait to see him in owl
balmy wolf
that's assuming a team wants him
some team will probably pick him up because of his marketability
ripe marlin
jersey sales?
pine star
Are we seriously gonna act like Seagull is not on a professional level?
ripe marlin
not to mention he will probably stream less if he has a steady paycheck thats worth it
pine star
O'rite I guess
ripe marlin
no he is a pro no doubt
pine star
that's assuming a team wants him
ripe marlin
thats not my comment
pine star
I know
ripe marlin
i think he's a good leader and tier 1 talent pro
balmy wolf
mind you, I said that because of how incredibly uncertainty the OWL is right now
and of course, NRG had him on contract lockdown atm
so any amount of buyout will be rather large
supple nymph
Seagull can't be in the WC he needs to be home to host their stream from his twitch
ripe marlin
lol
balmy wolf
and honestly, Seagull is a pro no doubt. But he is less Shadowburn and more NicoGDH, to be quite honest
if an org building around him again we are just circling around the NRG wagon
supple nymph
@balmy wolf really?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVDKFUULVIc
balmy wolf
yes.
pro matches are whole lotta different level than comp
like, i run 2 teams, and it always take a while for solo queuer to get into a scrimmage environment
ladder play only prove that you are mechanically good. That's it
people can mechanically climbed their way to GM (or in case of Mercy, powerboost their friend to GM)
ripe marlin
thats true but he's always shown up and played great at any lan tourney he's been to a championship doesnt always determine the skill of an individual
balmy wolf
well, shown up is a rather subjective viewpoint.
he played in OW Open, APAC Premier, APEX S1, MLG Vegas
the only time NRG ever get out of the group stages and get into a deep playoff run
was APAC Premier
ripe marlin
i think if he didnt leave nrg the results of nrgs recent tournaments would be slightly better
balmy wolf
and even then that's also because he placed against weak chinese teams
supple nymph
@balmy wolf did you see him the other day solo qing against envyus?? he was so good.
you should watch him more
balmy wolf
and to that, I gave to you the Rogue vs NRG stream match
that went well until Rogue dumpstered them in an actual matches later
ripe marlin
nrg not getting outta groups doesnt take away from his skill it shows the team either didnt have chemistry or enough of it or the team just didnt havre the skill at the time
supple nymph
yea really wins/losse says nothing to his performance
balmy wolf
i'm not saying that Seagull doesn't have the skill, don't get me wrong
mechanically he is a talented player
but he had been underperformed for someone at his role of being a carry DPS for his team
ripe marlin
like to me he's a top tier player but i do agree that it will take him a few matches to get back to form once the time comes
balmy wolf
of course though, some of it had to also pointed to his fellow teammates as well
since Dummy for whatever reason survived 3 roster shake up
ripe marlin
lol oh dummy
balmy wolf
mind you, with the way things are unraveling, you might not even have one
pure kettle
get the red wings owner to buy a slot lawl
balmy wolf
and also, I don't think you can say that "the team either didnt have chemistry or enough of it or the team just didnt havre the skill at the time" is accurate when NRG during the Seagull-Gods time had extensive time to prove themselves
they had OW Open, APAC and APEX to do that shit
supple nymph
@balmy wolf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JLXNr6Eo1U
wintry matrix
or maybe their planning and strategizing was shit? i remember Fnatic saying their plan in Apex 1 (or was it 2?) was just to outskill the opponent
wintry matrix
wouldn't be surprising if NRG was the same (as in, lack of good planning)
probably was, my memory's shit
ripe marlin
time doesnt always equal chemistry
wintry matrix
also that
ripe marlin
gods is a great player but it doesnt mean the results were guaranteed
balmy wolf
there are a lot of went down, but considering that Shadowburn can carry Russia and Faze to finals of two major tournys on his back under unfavorable meta, there's a lot to be said about Seagull
by a standard of a carry DPS, he had been underperforming for quite sometimes
ripe marlin
thats true shadowburn is an unbelievable superstar he's great in all situations but just doesnt play genji enough anymore
wintry matrix
is Seagull even the "carry-dps?" role?
balmy wolf
Enigma was shotcalling in old NRG
then Numlocked, then Enigma again
now Ajax and then Harbleu
Seagull isn't Esca
he is a carry DPS
ripe marlin
i knew about enigma but not numlocked
ripe marlin
lol
pure kettle
#BadOverwatchFan
balmy wolf
well, that was during the second roster shake up when they brought in numlocked and clockwork to help with the hitscan and the shotcalling department
that just ended up bungled things even more
ripe marlin
well either way as shadowburn is my favourite player i have to agree he is better but seagull is still unbelievably good in my eyes
balmy wolf
again, I must stated that Seagull is mechanically very good
anyone who made into top 500 is good
ripe marlin
yesw he is mechanically good
balmy wolf
but he haven't show to be able to do it in where it matters ie pro stage.
ripe marlin
no doubt
balmy wolf
just saying since i halfway expected someone else like @cinder zealot just screencap this to show that I said Seagull sucks or something
ripe marlin
again thats not just him i see him show up and play well each tourney but he gets focused down fast and his team isnt there to pick up the pieces to help
balmy wolf
of course @ripe marlin when you have Dummy as your healer that might very well be the case
ripe marlin
although truth be told i dont think its going to happen soon
lol dummy
i do wonder how the current nrg team would have done in tourneys had he been there also and not inactive
balmy wolf
they probably will play better
since now they have IDDQD and Harbleu
to take less heat off of him
but you still have Ajax and Dummy as deadweight
gentle shuttle
scrolls up. sees potential pr0n twitch chick twins
grins. continues to scroll down
balmy wolf
I suspected that people actaully advised Seagull to go streaming (even though in the past he has said that he want to be known as a pro rather than a streamer)
because NRG is such a dumpster fire
and it make sense economically
wintry matrix
but didn't Seagull do well in WC?
is in the same situation like you talked about SDB and Russia
ripe marlin
yeah i mean by the looks of it cause he said he wants to play in the owl when it starts and i mean it seems like theres a lot of free agents so maybe we will see him with a diifferent team
ripe marlin
and yeah seagull did well in the world cup the only reason they lost is at the time shadowburn was a god and yeah they never practiced and ended up in 2 place in group and was forced to play korea who destroyed them
balmy wolf
in group stage US went up against Chile, Germany, and Russia
Russia edged out in a close game
but stomp Chile and a very weaker than expected Germany wasn't things to be proud of
ripe marlin
yeah it was a close game but at the end of the day russia and shadow burn overwhelmed them and they ended up in 2
i mean korea just practiced all hours of the day and they didnt drop 1 map so us losing to them was juyst simply a 6 man at fault situation
wintry matrix
i had in mind the Russia X USA match
tho i guess Gods was carrying hard too that game
ripe marlin
seagull played really well in the wc but reign is right have we seen the best he has to offer or is there another level he can still go to
jovial eagle
seagull isn't selfish enough i think
he caters to his team too much
he has his moments of hard carrying
ripe marlin
i agree
gentle shuttle
how so?
gentle shuttle
i meant about the selfish thing
balmy wolf
@gentle shuttle sometimes players would ask their support or their tanks to give them more resources
in order to get shits done
being selfish is basically sacrifice resources that might go to the second dps players and go to you instead
gentle shuttle
@balmy wolf ah that's what you mean. I understand that makes sense. So sorta like Shadowburn
wintry matrix
i'm not sure selfish is the right word for sdb's case
balmy wolf
SDB get a lot of resources as the DPS
i still for the life of me don't understand why they don't Genji more in a meta where Genji is really good
toxic yacht
Because FaZe is... Urgh
SDB doesn't even mind playing Genji in a high ping environment
Then they bench TwoEasy before dive becomes meta
Like, wot?
They have an insane Zenyatta and put him on Lucio
balmy wolf
Faze is also a mess internally
toxic yacht
Yeah, that too
They all seem to hate each other
They only put their differences aside for LANs, apparently
balmy wolf
it'd be funny if Faze somehow won or get into a deep playoff with the upcoming TakeOver 2 LAN
and all of them just looked each other and like "let's tolerate ourselve some more"
toxic yacht
lol
balmy wolf
instead of just pulling a Rogue
toxic yacht
tbh I think that it's just a matter of time until they drop the roster
But yeah, I doubt that they'd get invited in their current state
flint spire
idunno if this got linked before (probably has) https://pvplive.net/c/overwatch-league-teams-are-balking-at-the-buy-in-p
but yeah, looks like Blizzard is destroying yet another potential esport scene
flint spire
yeah'
flint spire
tbh idunno what Blizz is thinking asking for 20mil for a game that frankly, does not have the numbers for it
balmy wolf
it is business 101
price high
then negotiate it down
they seems to be very drunk on the hype train of pro OW though
considering more than half of the fanbase just QP
ie r/OW commoners
flint spire
I guess, I just don't like how they're trying to grab control of the scene that's barely there
yeah
also, I was around during the Starcraft II days
so let's just say I don't have too much trust in them
balmy wolf
they don't know how to run the scene tbh
either you let it grow organically like Valve
or run it like LoL
but trying to be a control freak like this is just eh
like I wouldn't mind Blizzard having something like Valve. 3 majors per year for example
flint spire
or just stick to the world cup stuff
yeah, and another issue I have with the game is just viewing it is just terrible atm
the spectator mode desprately needs improvements, replays are needed and so on
and I'm not feeling the dev team is giving those things the attention they need
balmy wolf
then again, LoL after 7 years still have no replays or demo mode
lol
idk it seems that the dev teams and the esport teams are disconnected from the hips
flint spire
like, I like the events, but it feels they're just making events, while also wanting to push it hard as an esport
balmy wolf
they haven't even push anything remotely esport
except the WC
and occasional mention of events
flint spire
I disagree, I feel even just announcing the OWL they clearly want that esport cake and eat it
either way they're hurting the scene bad, I don't blame pros just becoming streamers or something
balmy wolf
they obviously want, but i don't feel like it is enough
we have monthly OMM, Pit, Rumble, etc etc
and barely any PR for it
hell, even APEX
flint spire
ofc, cuz they don't run them, Blizzard wants it their way or you're getting no pr
balmy wolf
basically
flint spire
a problem I have is that they're chasing an audience thats not there, like you said, the common player only play QP
they're never gonna care about the esport scene, at least not like this
I feel working with the audience you already have and then slowly expand it is the better way to do it
idunno, I'm mostly afraid that they'll just crash and burn the scene before it can even start
balmy wolf
they just need more PR to be honest
and let the normies get in by themselves
just even mentioning OMM offhand on their twitter and battle.net page for example
that alone can drive up the viewers by quite a lot
the audience is there, only if you entice them in
rapid oxide
The O.W is nice only for starboard and annoucement
looks like it's full of kids tbh
they even barely talk about OW looks like
maybe could be nice talking in there if you are in their circlejerk, but i'm in this one and i'm fine with it
clever wagon
Heh
Competitive mode a mess, pre-existing competitive scene a mess, OWL still undisclosed, what's left for OW
@solid spear just for luls, im actually afk rn, from mobile
solid spear
ah lol
clever wagon
I'm just listening in
solid spear
._.
clever wagon
Pat pat
That reminds me
My PC mic input isnt receiving anything
Be it the front or rear jack
rapid oxide
Papa Doa on Around the watch said to chill
that confirm that people that know stuff is optimistic
clever wagon
Still havent figured out the issue
rapid oxide
who don't is pessimistic
clever wagon
Hard times
With most of the pre existing comp scene being indirectly killed off we dont have anything to talk about either
Drama can only get so spicy so far
solid spear
I mean I guess
theres Rogue and Envy these next couple weeks
and the final Melee ;_;
solid spear
I dont remember exact date
toxic yacht
it's probably on the weekend 
solid spear
Sojum pls
vestal mortar
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rapid oxide
toxic yacht
I don't care who wins between rogue and nV as long as they beat the koreans, lul
clever wagon
S class pun?
vestal mortar
I don't care who wins as long as we get some exciting games.
toxic yacht
tbh I kinda want to korean dicksuckers to shut up
rapid oxide
^
toxic yacht
I like good games and all, but after the result of APEX S2 they all came out of the woodworks and started screaming about how the west is dead
rapid oxide
Enjoy APEX while it last because this will be the end of OW esport 
toxic yacht
stahp
vestal mortar
I'll never shut up ๐
Oh wait you didn't mean it like that
rapid oxide
Saw the bronze reaction draw
toxic yacht
it wasn't draw ๐
vestal mortar
Lol
vestal mortar
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rapid oxide
"Trusted" lol who the fuck trust a weaboo?
toxic yacht
rapid oxide
vestal mortar
I love esports 
clever wagon
@rapid oxide I'm a weaboo and I feel offended
halcyon haven
IF youre big on Esports check out DOTA 2's super bowl like tournament: The International
35 million projected prize pool this year.
balmy wolf
Valve is getting the prize pool they want AND the cash from the battle pass
and then you have Blizzard doing their best to kill the OW scene
balmy wolf
but then you have TSM getting smashed by some no named team from GPL
so NA esport will always be NA esport
lol
rapid oxide
Valve is good at faking stuff tbh
35$ for literally nothing
Kunkka & Tidehunter Announcer Pack, Chat Wheel Sound Five Pack lmao
rapid oxide
because there are people willing to pay for it
csgo views are equally faked
when there isn't item drop, viewership is low
when ELEAGUE had drop, weirdly it reach 1m
totally not botted to get the item for gambling
balmy wolf
i mean ELEAGUE was a major though
rapid oxide
Kiev Major and TI doesn't reach 1m
balmy wolf
all the Valve majors always get mad amount of viewers
rapid oxide
Kiev Major reach 600k for all the channels
balmy wolf
and CSGO have way more fans than DOTA2
balmy wolf
that's only you counting Twitch though
rapid oxide
csgo only reach a mad ammount of views if there are drops
balmy wolf
i very much doubt Valve watchbots their own shit
and of course, gotta entice people into getting something out of it
and even then TI with last year's 20 mil prize pot
show that people want to buy these shits
demand, meets supply.
rapid oxide
imagine if blizzard will do the same for overwatch
imagine at OWL there's an event and with lootboxes you can fund the finals of OWL
my bet we can easly reach 10m
balmy wolf
Blizzard can just make the fund themselves
and recoup it with the lootboxes
no need for roundabout funding bullshit
rapid oxide
but i think something like that won't happen
i think there wont be prizepool
just team that won will get more money
idk if blizzard want to "pay" casuals with lootboxes for owl
balmy wolf
if somehow a show match can have a pot of 250K......
rapid oxide
like "watch finals and get 15 lootboxes"
balmy wolf
they can
but i don't trust the fucking esport wing that is Blizz
they probably will shove youtube streaming to us
because last year's MLG Vegas was totally a good experience
with their 720p resolution
and 30 fps
rapid oxide
they can but they wont because it's pretty obvious they want to boost it
in csgo "you could get it, you could not.. it something not that special"
balmy wolf
hell, even Activision can run a better esport experience. Their COD esport is a solid tier 2 with last World have a 2 millions in prize pot
so why Blizzard is doing so bad at this
balmy wolf
legally, yeah, but in practice, they might as well not even connected
rapid oxide
cod is a joke of esport for a lot of reason
balmy wolf
it is console based
balmy wolf
they still have more viewers and more prize pool/LAN than us
nV and Faze made their name from it
so you know
rapid oxide
cod is a franchise since years man
it started since cod 2/3
and evolved
overwatch dont
balmy wolf
and?
Activision had showed that at least they have an idea of how to run an esport league
not Blizzard
whose track records with Hots, Starcraft had been anything but bright
rapid oxide
HOTS and HS are going well
idk what are you talking about
SC is past and got destroed not mainly because of Blizzard
RTS and Arena FPS got replaced with something more funny, easy and entertaining
MOBA killed RTS
onyx shore
i got no problem if blizzard gonna do the same thing as dota2
like
compendium
and crowdsourcing the prizepool for their highest level tournament
but they need to make more skins and contents fro compendium owners
HOTS will never be able to compete with the likes of dota2 or league
but they're late to the game
very very late
any source?
of that claim
ofc it's easier to play and learn
yes
then you're saying that bcos hots is easier,so people gonna chose it?
over more established moba?
have you seen the number?
the prizepool
the streamers view
like
yeah
but will never catch up unless something happen with those two
like riot/valve goes bankrupt
balmy wolf
HOTS is a long long way from actually getting relevant
not really
its viewership is shit
balmy wolf
the scene is only Blizzard based
onyx shore
and most people thought it's a dumbed downed version of dota/league
balmy wolf
and Hearthstone is just....eh
there's no future if in this present moment people don't want to watch it
or even play it.
onyx shore
this is smite stats
is HOTS even surpassing this numbers
if hots cant even surpass this
then it got no future
yeah probably being here and there
but not gonna reach league/dota level
balmy wolf
"The ranking is based on the number of unique sessions during a calendar month amongst the millions of game enthusiasts that use any of Overwolfโs in-game apps."
Overwolf
vestal mortar
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balmy wolf
why are we counting numbers of players in the middle of a deliberate blitz by Blizzard to get people to play? Play for loots, too
onyx shore
well,imo
if hots is doing well
they wont need to do this kind of cross-promotion
to attract overwatch players
takeover smite first
balmy wolf
lololol
vestal mortar
No more yelling pls 
edgy remnant
@quiet bone Stop shitposting in all caps unless you'd like a permanent mute from the serious discussion channels.
balmy wolf
@edgy remnant
edgy remnant
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balmy wolf
thanks!
jagged crater
blizz seems hella optimistic about OWL
in contrast, viewers and players are pessimistic af
I want OW to succeed massively as an esport but it's hard to see it happen
vestal mortar
I am personally still staying optimistic until I see more details.
edgy remnant
apparently Kraft signed a sweet deal
delicate sparrow
I'm pretty sure it's somewhere inbetween tbh. I kinda expect things to keep going like they were a couple of months ago with no real change except more LANs
@edgy remnant you mean like the cheese?
kraft cheese e-sports
edgy remnant
yeah, Kraft foods
vestal mortar
kraft dinner esports jerseys 
delicate sparrow
esports is incredible
edgy remnant
lul but really
it's Kraft Group
not associated with Kraft Foods or Kraft Heinz
they own the New England Patriots and Revolution
onyx shore
well,ofc blizzard must be optimistic with this
but achieving that is another matter
let's hope more big brand will join the league
rapid oxide
HOTS already surpassed Smite time ago
Barely Smite Major had 30k peak
if they fix HOTS awful graphics and HUD, it will attract more imo
surreal cloak
@rapid oxide In the slightest. maybe.
rapid oxide
it's a common complain it's awful graphics. The one that arent complaining are actually HOTS player. Dota attract me more than LOL also for it's graphics
digital pond
A few people I know who play leage do because they like "cartoonish" graphics.
Grpahics always play a lot nowadays.
balmy wolf
i dont buy Hots getting into tier 1 anytime soon tbh
digital pond
I played Dota mainly cause I hated league graphics
rapid oxide
same
digital pond
Then after dota league mechanics bothered me.
rapid oxide
LoL is a dumb version of Dota
digital pond
It has it's intricacy, I just don't like some of the mechanics and some of the lack of different items.
And the snowball being SO fast.
Since magic damage scales so high
spring lintel
I never played tf2 because of the graphics
rapid oxide
"Then why you play Overwatch that is a TF2 reskin?"
iron cedar
That would soo op.
pine star
I think I'm the only idiot that follows the LoL esports scene and hasn't never actually played it lol
balmy wolf
you better pray for Jesus then lol
digital pond
I used to do that Sulli friends forced me to play quit pretty fast.
I only watch C9 games cause Sneaky always finds the bugs and gets fucked by them even at the world tournaments.
rapid oxide
graphics is a let down for me
onyx shore
well,OW needs to beat csgo first
rapid oxide
OW Open had more views than CS on TBS
i think that will succeed because it takes a very wide range of ages
there's no blood or brutal things
there were a lot of post of people on 30 that enjoy the game, something that wouldnt happen for cs or lol
clever wagon
This sounds very RJH for some reason
spring lintel
OW is working as casual and competitive
CSGO if I am not mistaken is very competitive
balmy wolf
the thing about CSGO you need to realized is that even in its casual mode
it is still competitive in nature
and also there are lots of 3rd party servers that make matchmaking really better
meanwhile in OW
spring lintel
But overwatch QP is a fuckfest 
rapid oxide
because CSGO DM is not a clownfiesta
the success of esport is not if the game is competitive
but if it's entertaining
balmy wolf
CSGO DM is like OW Arcade
that doesn't exactly counts
iirc a huge dose of OW esport was fueled from bettings
rapid oxide
LOL and Dota doesnt have esea but they are doing fine
also mm are shit even in esea
dont ya think it's better
digital pond
Dota has a more advance system for comp though
balmy wolf
LoL have their own matchmaking issue, hence all the shit about solo queue and dynamic queue over the year. DOTA is better in MM with their elo system though
digital pond
Heck now you need a phone number in a specific REGION
Just to play ranked in dota
They also fully seperated solo and groupQ mmr
balmy wolf
they just make it harder to grief, basically
spring lintel
It's for the best
digital pond
You know what Reign
rapid oxide
you can play soccer casually and enjoy real madrid playing
spring lintel
OW needs that
spring lintel
And we need infinite SR
digital pond
That shit is so perfect
spring lintel
Instead of 5k max
rapid oxide
i enjoy motorbike racing and i dont have a motorbike
digital pond
Probably the best system across esports i've seen
balmy wolf
yeah well @digital pond too bad we are just going to have to put up with MOAR SKINS rather than ACTUAL ESPORT GRADE REPLAY AND SPECTATE
rapid oxide
no one give a shit if it's truly competitive or require skill
digital pond
@balmy wolf I woudl watch so much more tournaments and watch so many VODS but nope.
Q_Q
balmy wolf
CSGO, DOTA and LoL lends itself more to a competitive settings anyway
meanwhile OW is kind of a clown fiesta a lot of times and the spectator mode still needs to be improve
ffs caster, put your shit on overhead camera, plz?
digital pond
Spectator client and vods and everything will literally make everything so much better.
Blizz not giving tournament realm to tournaments blows my mind.
I get they want to make a big bang with OWL but sheesh
digital pond
I mean everything that isn't Korea
Korea gets whatever they want in any esport
Same with china
rapid oxide
according to taimou
spring lintel
10 mins till dota finishes downloading and I can see how their systems work
digital pond
Cause to get any game to work them you basically have to half hand it over
rapid oxide
ELEAGUE had lan
digital pond
@spring lintel Dota allows you to search games and spectate any of them thata ren't custom and download the replay of them and save them.
While watching a tournament you buy a digital ticket.
You can watch from any of the caster point of view. Any of the player point of view including mouse clicks
And download tournament vods you boguht the ticket for
You can also choose the caster to listen to.
And that's all In client.
You can change the fog of war and what you see, and add fog of war etc etc to see what specific teams see as information
spring lintel
Holy shit thats so awesome
digital pond
Vods have the same exact function once downloaded too
You can also go back to tournaments and download vods you haven't.
spring lintel
They need this so bad in OW
digital pond
Not sure there's a time limit though
rapid oxide
they are working on it
spring lintel
It's gonna be huge, I might pay to spectate numlocked
rapid oxide
but ir's hard to do
spring lintel
Yeah it sound really hard
digital pond
OW will have a spectate system I'm sure probably not as advanced and detailed though
rapid oxide
im ok with spectating players live and do w/e i want
digital pond
I'm sure it'll come with OWL since they seem to be saving a lot of QoL for pro games for the OWL
rapid oxide
and its fine
digital pond
I mean I do whatever I want while spectating in dotas.
I just get to scroll back and replay shit
Mid tournament if I miss something
And then move back to live
Or if I'm not looking at the screen and miss a big play
balmy wolf
before those things implemented in OW
we just need to wait for few more years of skins and useless normies events
digital pond
Nah we need those zarya skins tbh
spring lintel
I want the in client stream things
digital pond
She's been misstreated
digital pond
Yeah the in-client watching of tournament would be pretty awesome
Would also make it easier to promote pro scene to be watched
Since it would be easily accessible
Even if it lacks all those extra function dota has
vestal mortar
They have been working on the spectating system for a while, I am sure that Monte and Doa have been giving their input.
digital pond
Well Monte doesn't really know shit about Dota in general, but the options dota have aren't rampant in Korea either
As Dota is pretty weak there.
And KR struggles to enter the scene.
rapid oxide
Monte know a lot
digital pond
Yes in general
But his knowledge of the dota scene is small
He has admitted it himself
rapid oxide
doesn't know Dota the game itself, but how spectator is etc... yes
vestal mortar
^
digital pond
If you say so
But we're not gonna have all of Dota's function
I doubt blizz would rework the client that way
vestal mortar
I am sure casters know what they want in the spectating system for OW ๐
rapid oxide
dota scene=|=dota game
rapid oxide
dota scene=|=dota game
digital pond
@vestal mortar Probably yeh
rapid oxide
papa jeff said that replay system will come with saving highlights
first saving highlights, then replay system
because first work as a "small replay system"
of 15 sec
after highlight they have to add pause, forward, highlights, toggle stuff like no skin and shit like that
are korean mentally challenged or what? kyb posted a pic of him 5 man killing on kill feed and kr attacked him "why you exposed their strategy"
no shit they are playing dive you fucktard, there's no secret strategy
balmy wolf
where is this ๐ฟ at?
rapid oxide
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Twitter
THERE'S NO NEW COMP STRAT, WAS FUCKING DIVE THEY PLAY ALL THE FUCKING TIME 
vestal mortar
Oh noey
rapid oxide
Twitter
at this point i hope rogue stomp them so this will confirm LH are noobs lol
just for the sake of see KR mad
was photoshopped to mock them haha
balmy wolf
what the fuck was the comp that LH was playing lol
balmy wolf
either way, KR, amirite
clever wagon
Loooool
toxic yacht
rip kyb
he ded
dunno why korean fangirls feel the need to get triggered over everything ๐ค
pine star
KR fangrills are hella scary
toxic yacht
Positives of being a pro:
- Fuckloads of fangirls
Negatives of being a pro: - Fuckloads of fangirls
vestal mortar
๐
rapid oxide
๐ ๐
Weโre back from a long holiday with Twelve O'Clock News Episode Eight, chock full of news from around competitive Overwatch and the upcoming League.
Hosts: sideshowgaming, samiface, ggHarsha
spring lintel
After 2 days in flames discord I am assured to know that dumm...
Dummy...
...is actually bad
clever wagon
When the matches NRG competed in aren't enough to make you notice and believe that's the problem
@toxic yacht I've been telling ya, it's the East Asian idolism
That's the biggest reason
Japanese otaku with their idol grils, Korean fangirls with their ikemen, all the same
toxic yacht
lul, being a weeb has taught me a bit about japanese idol culture
clever wagon
They want them to be immaculate like an angel
toxic yacht
it's honestly ridiculous
clever wagon
Virgin and single if need be
vestal mortar
Oh yeah I almost forgot about idol culture. It must be really intense keeping public appearances immaculate all the time.
solid spear
Weeb
toxic yacht
no u
solid spear
Nuuu
vestal mortar
๐ค
velvet scarab
You do are a weeb
pine star
Damn autocorrect
velvet scarab
Lol
solid spear
"High or sleep deprived" Seij would say
vestal mortar
Get a room you guys ๐
I love esports
limber pine
not surprised
pine star
Did he really?
supple nymph
someone made another thread to pointlessly talk about the first thread about the mendo drama
toxic yacht
lul
vestal mortar
guess I joined just in time ๐
supple nymph
it would be ironic if someone screencapped flame's rant and put it on r/cow
i dont wanna get banned though
๐ผ
toxic yacht
can't know who it was if you make an alt and leave out the personal details
rapid oxide
http://www.macworld.com/article/3194757/gaming/clash-royale-has-a-million-bucks-up-for-grabs-and-you-can-battle-for-it.html mfw overwatch have online tournament only 
weak bloom
Excited for fellow org members! https://twitter.com/gankstars/status/861372655911530496
Twitter
supple nymph
ow esports on ps is a thing?
digital pond
There's tournaments on both consoles
pine star
They're trying
digital pond
They have their own sub reddits
rapid oxide
Gankstar 
vestal mortar
Interesting
rapid oxide
follow this guys on Vainglory
pine star
Isn't Golden Boy involved with some big OW league coming for PS4?
weak bloom
Hi Vace thanks for your support
Damn it feels good to be a gankstar - gankstars.gg
they just won the Valiance tournament
rapid oxide
Honestly im out of touch for VG, how's going?
limber pine
Apparently I"m lawful evil
limber pine
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
limber pine
rapid oxide
wintry matrix
i thought the chaotic evil was mf doom
toxic yacht
More like The_Entire_Euro_Zone is lawful evil
spring lintel
Vainglory is better than dota and lol
digital pond
Straight from flame discord https://images.discordapp.net/eyJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL2Rpc2NvcmQuc3RvcmFnZS5nb29nbGVhcGlzLmNvbS9hdHRhY2htZW50cy8xMTI5Njg1NTM2NjkzNzgwNDgvMzEyMjkxNDAyODYyMjk3MDg4L09XTF9raWxsZmVlZC5wbmcifQ.q5EJosnPECDwTllySKmFbwQBlOc
iron cedar
vestal mortar
That is too good haha
pure kettle
love it
toxic yacht
lul, I love this meme
solid spear
So good lmao
rapid oxide
floral harness
toxic yacht
nice
toxic yacht
you're late
pine star
You won me by literally seconds lol
floral harness
pine star
First, we want to be clear that our ultimate goal is to create an exciting Overwatch esports ecosystem, the pinnacle of which will be the Overwatch League
pine star
digital pond
Maybe but it's better than the silence since Blizz con
pine star
So OWL is not the only thing, just the pinnacle
vestal mortar
I am happy
digital pond
Even if it doesn't work in the end at least they're working with endemic orgs.
And that's good enough for me.
solid spear
zs`
digital pond
sz' ?
vestal mortar
๐
supple nymph
pine star
Twitter
Oh shit
FaZe and LG Loyal disbanded?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6amcgz/faze_and_lg_loyal_disbanded/
supple nymph
reeee
balmy wolf
that actually not a bad team on paper
pine star
Yeah was thinking the same
digital pond
I mean it makes sense with Ube looking for other opportunities
A lot of rosters are gonna disband
Until OWL
pine star
Except for the fact that Forsaken and Hidan hero pools overlap
kindred kiln
balmy wolf
Hidan is a god Zen/Ana though
digital pond
Yeah I just mean if they wanna run BOTH
It's a possibility since teams have done it.
balmy wolf
probably not except on certain maps
pine star
^
digital pond
All I'm saying it's a possibility speaking of hero pool overlaps
pine star
They can't always run Zen Ana
digital pond
Well yeah of course not
pine star
And you can't just afk on Lรบcio anymore
digital pond
They proibably picked one to be the main flex support
pine star
You have to actually be good on him
digital pond
Bot took the first one away for me lol
pine star
Also mine wasn't as long as yours
digital pond
Q_Q
toxic yacht
oh damn, I forgot how many days I gave it before faze disbands
rip
same with LGL, lul
now we can at least see our boi SDB at a decent ping again
balmy wolf
tfw you realized SDB carried people twice to 2 LAN finals and then all lost 0-4
pine star
Shadowblade 
balmy wolf
rapid oxide
who's really surprised about faze and loyal disband? lol
wintry matrix
i still can feel sad about it 
digital pond
Might be better for both teams
Synergy was always an issue for LGL even after much time.
rapid oxide
and FaZe hate themself
"The characters and story are carefully designed around it and encourage any form of Cosplaying. Even one of the casters at Overwatch Worlds was dressed up as Tracer."
digital pond
Hype new emongg emotes \0.0/
rapid oxide
IS HE TALKING ABOUT SOE? 
balmy wolf
What do you mean "Forsaken and Hidan have overlapping hero pools"? @pine star
He was FaZe's Lucio
Hidan plays Zen Ana
balmy wolf
yeah lol
pine star
Leave me be Anem
digital pond
reeee
supple nymph
pine star
I picture Zen whenever I hear Forsaken for some reason
Maybe I'm confusing him with god knows who
balmy wolf
he does. Faze switches whenever they need a Zen
rapid oxide
itsrawkus Rawkus (FaZe Clan) 2 points 3 minutes ago
its just bc its a full EU tourney no americans allowed ๐ญ
pine star
Bullshit.
solid spear
Forsaken is a god Zen
pine star
@solid spear right? I know I'm not crazy
toxic yacht
also, even if rawkus is on zen, forsak3n is the better zen anyway
solid spear
no youre not
He exclusively played Zen in Zen meta and still plays it now for Faze sometimes
pine star
Then I have zero gripes with this roster, solid af ๐
rapid oxide
lmao the hype is real for this guy
Pre-Combine Discussion: Overwatch League - 3 months from now
rapid oxide
@vestal mortar https://twitter.com/GoingRogueGG/status/862746643006767105 interested?
Twitter
balmy wolf
wut
pine star
I want to watch this one live so bad 
supple nymph
vace y u poop in my pudding
vestal mortar
I wonder if I can get a flight and make it just in time for gifts
balmy wolf
lol
rapid oxide
๐น
pine star
Do it
rapid oxide
@supple nymph ?
pine star
Just do it
rapid oxide
vestal mortar
Okay I'm off to Korea for a Rogue sticker, cya
rapid oxide
cyaaa
supple nymph
btw vace
pine star
Bring me a jersey signed by SoOn pls
supple nymph
can you leave an upvote there to the left?
rapid oxide
where?
vestal mortar
๐
rapid oxide
oh sure
rapid oxide
not 100% esport related but pls do it https://twitter.com/gcmulk/status/862478705616093184
supple nymph
vestal mortar
So many pros get wrist issues. ๐ข
pine star
I do similar exercises
vestal mortar
I should probably do more
rapid oxide
doing it rn ^^
pine star
I do them every night before bed
rapid oxide
you should every match honestly :p
while you are on queue
30 sec is enough
and stand up, walk a bit
pine star
I don't really do them because of gaming
My work involves typing hundreds and hundreds of lines daily lol
vestal mortar
๐
rapid oxide
well... you should take 15 min break each 1h at pc
pine star
Which would be bad for my if I ever make it to esports
pine star
I'm just avoiding derailing ๐
pine star
Follow along and don't ask Vace
vestal mortar
Rogue stickers
rapid oxide
obviously i will cheer for my qt rascal
vestal mortar
Will Rogue be giving the audience flowers like the other teams? ๐ฎ
pine star
They will be giving them baguettes obviously
supple nymph
probably baguettes
pine star
C'mon Tara
rapid oxide
lmao
supple nymph
if you can even buy those in kr
rapid oxide
Baguette with Kimchi
pine star
I just remember Monte's Korean hype train lmfao
rapid oxide
you mean korean dicksucking
rapid oxide
who knows
not sure they will negate koreans
it's like 25% of their revenue comes from SK lol
vestal mortar
I saw that Sojum
pine star
We all saw that Sojum
vestal mortar
lmao
pine star
Old news reeeeeeeee
digital pond
I GET TO BE HYPED WHEN I CHOOSE TO
balmy wolf
slowpoke yeah
rapid oxide
helloladiesandgentlementstylosahereandwelcometoanothervideotodaywearetalkingaboutoverwatchworldcupcommitte
pine star
Welcome to Unit Lost*
balmy wolf
Hopefully OWL doesnt flop
rapid oxide
it doesnt
balmy wolf
if it succeeds it proves that money can restore a shit turd to gold.
vestal mortar
rapid oxide
jfc i want owl to succeed to shit on all the other esports 
rapid oxide
except sk โฅ
vestal mortar
I just want OWL to succeed because it's the only esport I have ever gotten into.
rapid oxide
game is terrible, but it's entertaining
balmy wolf
you know.. this year will be rather nice.. Cod WW2 , Destiny 2 , Battlefront 2 , LawBreakers ( a better shooter arena tbh then OW ) and Tekken 7 ( SFV still better tho )
rapid oxide
OW is not an arena shooter
balmy wolf
it is in its core.
rapid oxide
its not
balmy wolf
no need denying it
rapid oxide
clearly you dont know what an arena shooter is
vestal mortar
rapid oxide
quake will have his niche
rapid oxide
it wont be succesfull as ow, but will have a decent views
veterans doesnt want to play it
they will play it a bit, but they wont main it
balmy wolf
"veterans" or people who do play quake , will play the classic mode
non will play that champion shit
rapid oxide
i mean veterans that want a quake 3 reskin
not champions
abilities are disliked
it attract casuals
balmy wolf
i still remember playing quake 3 back on my old IBM laptop in 2003 or something..
rapid oxide
anyway dude, im sorry to stop you
balmy wolf
?
rapid oxide
but this is #esports-discussion
admit i went offtopic too
mods are nazi here, just saying ๐ especially that sprite guy
balmy wolf