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supple nymph
context?
pine star
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rapid oxide
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rapid oxide
I've to see more of raskal/birdring to judge thier power as duo
balmy wolf
Fl0wer is not a good pick. You are at the mercy of his wrist
pine star
Yeah
balmy wolf
Rascal and Birdring probably better
rapid oxide
Depends if he gets better in time but don't think so
So I'll say rascal bird just because they are in the same team and have a little bit of confidence and chemistry
pine star
"pro talk"
clever wagon
With all the health issues the Koreans are having, I wonder about their health care as esport athletes
Like you barely hear anything about western pros about health issues that are often associated with computer use
supple nymph
dont they spend every minute practicing? what health?
plus it's a crazy asian society with massive pressure on youth to perform at everything
clever wagon
I mean wrist issues like Harb's a couple weeks ago, probably, but still nothing as big as Flower's
Plus you got the likes of Rogue
If it's true, pretty idiotic if you ask me
I do remember LH roster having a routine health check up though
digital pond
Most get checked, if anything it's the companies money at game if they don't do it.
But it wouldn't stop a player from lying if they wanted to play no matter what or something.
digital pond
rip
clever wagon
I always cringe looking at people in my uni, esp the non-fps gamers, use their mouse
Wrist only and they place their wrist right at the edge of the table
Like holy shit
digital pond
Prob a habit from using the computer for other things that and most people have tiny mouse pads.
digital pond
So making small movements feel comfortable
clever wagon
Even worse with table/chair height difference that causes their entire forerarm angle downwards
digital pond
I mean some people love computers just not computer games v0v
clever wagon
My point has nothing to do with what they do on their computers though...
Ergonomics n shit
digital pond
Orgs are dropping teams due to the lack of info and tournaments and such.,
I'm sure if orgs can they'll come back for OWL.
It's just not beneficial to them right now.
clever wagon
Thanks Obama Blizzard
spring lintel
Nice now blizz is gonna wake the fuck up
pine star
LOLOLOL
spring lintel
Hopefully at least
digital pond
l0l
clever wagon
No they won't
pine star
Thanks Obama
spring lintel
Fuck blizzard
clever wagon
What reason do they have, with big sports (not esports) orgs having started to buy slots
spring lintel
They probably know they cant buy slots
digital pond
Even if they could they might get outbidded.
spring lintel
BRING SHAKE AND MESR TO NRG!!
digital pond
Sport orgs ooze money especially football teams in the US
balmy wolf
Shake, Joemeister, Meza, Graceful is pretty dope
spring lintel
I dont see any other reason
digital pond
I mean if we go by the two sport teams looking to invest we know
IT's pretty massive
spring lintel
Col isnt that poor
digital pond
Orgs not being poor means nothing
spring lintel
Are they confirmed thoughv
digital pond
Esport orgs that have as much money as the new england PAts
Are like smaller than anything
spring lintel
The 2 huge teams?
clever wagon
They also straight up just fucking deleted most third party tournaments, what do they care about actual esports orgs that have been around the game since day 1 at this point
digital pond
IF an org like the new england patriots wants a slot BAAM
No esport org can outbid them
spring lintel
If they are in, huge companies are going in like samsung and such
digital pond
Not even fucking tsm
balmy wolf
none of the Endemic org are that rich though
digital pond
^
spring lintel
I know but is it confirmed? That they are in?
digital pond
They are looking
supple nymph
digital pond
Is what seems to be confirmed
balmy wolf
TSM's business sense is pretty shit
supple nymph
casted by skyline and matrym
balmy wolf
they dropped Astralis
digital pond
It almost doesn't mater if they buy the slot or not BAAAM
The fact that they are looking deters endemic orgs
spring lintel
If you dont have a slot u are not a real team though
digital pond
And?
blazing parrot
👁
digital pond
Those endemic orgs have been making mad money before OW
spring lintel
They will have to buy a slot
digital pond
They don't NEED ow to make money
They wanted to participate is what it is
They don't have to be part of OW
balmy wolf
Yo wait TSM dropped Astralis?
digital pond
At least not currently
balmy wolf
i suspect the way forward is that the big sport org will partnership with endemic orgs. Sport org provide money, exposure, PR. Endemic org provide roster, management and experience
however
clever wagon
Notice that Around the Watch is gonna go live with DoA
balmy wolf
i don't get why Robert Kraft just buy fucking Splyce for example
digital pond
@balmy wolf I hope that's what happens for the health of a scene and usign people that have better knowledge of it's kinks and works
That would be the best way to do it
spring lintel
TSM is very rich?
clever wagon
Their discord
pine star
It's in their discord
balmy wolf
which is?
clever wagon
Around the Watch
balmy wolf
link to the discord then?
digital pond
I think he's looking for an invite link
blazing parrot
whos discord?
clever wagon
In their soundcloud, inv link takes forever to generate on my end atm
pine star
Around the Watch
blazing parrot
ic
blazing parrot
btw
Blizzard has formed "a dedicated division within the company that will handle management, operation, sales, and distribution for Overwatch esports programs, including the Overwatch League 
and Overwatch World Cup. The division will be integrated into Major League Gaming, and retain its name.
digital pond
Yeah but that doesn't mean much
blazing parrot
idk if this has been posted here
pine star
It has lol
digital pond
They could just be making Sport orgs buying the players easier
blazing parrot
o rip
digital pond
That doesn't mean they're gonna work together in the long term
It's as broad as it comes.
clever wagon
It's just DoA and no Monte
jovial eagle
uh oh
for the US national comittee
ster's selected
wasn't there someone else who's supposedly a better candiate?
delicate sparrow
I mean there were a lot of better candidates. I don't feel like jason kaplan was an amazing choice either
at least ster has experience from playing in the world cup last year
balmy wolf
Jason has more experience than ster has
But realistically the best choices were probably ZP Flame and Monte
solid spear
Lmao
edgy remnant
solid spear
Twitter
clever wagon
Wow
pine star
Who the fuck runs that Twitter account lol
clever wagon
That tweet could've been brought to the podcast
pine star
clever wagon
Geezus this twitter account
clever wagon
Get some Mercy rez or Tranquility
jovial eagle
who from the US will be on the roster
pine star
We don't know yet
jovial eagle
lemme check last years
pine star
Talespin, Gods, Seagull, MESR, Adam and Ster
pine star
I'd have Seagull, Grim, Harbleu, MESR, Dahang and Adam for this year
clever wagon
The Miami Flamingo tweet could've been dropped there methinks
pine star
A ton probably
He's right and that's what we've been saying for a while:
If Monte and Doa abandoned their careers in Korea to go to NA for OWL
They know something we don't
clever wagon
Also with those 2 orgs as the first buyers
Probably actually enough under the hood, undisclosed to the public
Hopefully
quiet bone
what do you guys think of flame's lineup
clever wagon
What's his lineup
solid spear
I mean its his
quiet bone
Twitter
solid spear
Its fine I guess
clever wagon
What's Rawkus' role again
solid spear
Main support
clever wagon
Retzi is DPS?
pine star
Yup
pine star
Nutty hitscan
solid spear
Absolute beast
clever wagon
hitscan - Retzi
Projectile - Caw caw guy
Main/anchor tank - MESR
Main support - Rawkus
2nd supp/Lucio - Adam
What are CM69 and Gods gonna be
Flexes?
solid spear
Well 69 would be a flex
pine star
Actually, according to Flame's bullshit comp, Gods and Seagull would swap the Lucio role
solid spear
Gods and Seagull was his weird Lucio combo idk
clever wagon
... What
pine star
ikr
clever wagon
I can't comprehend this
solid spear
He just wanted both basically and said fuck people playing real stuff
That they actually play
quiet bone
what does coolmatt play
clever wagon
Is this biggest prank of Overwatch?
balmy wolf
some of his picks make sense in the level that he want coachable players who are willing to be coach and play
solid spear
Hes an offtank flex
clever wagon
CM69 was flex/off tank in FaZe
solid spear
Zarya, Hog, Tracer etc
balmy wolf
rather than superstar DPSes
solid spear
Fnatic not Faze
balmy wolf
and also @clever wagon Fnatic
clever wagon
Wait ya
solid spear
I honestly dont even mind Matt that makes some sense hes real good
But the Gods Seagull idea
delicate sparrow
why not just......get adam
balmy wolf
btw, you know the worst thing about his pick? no shotcaller
clever wagon
Overwatch biggest prank [GONE WRONG] [NOT SEXUAL YET]
solid spear
Exactly lol
solid spear
Eh we can't really say how good some people are or arent at calls
balmy wolf
the original twitter post never said anything about main support
just Gods and Seagull on DPS/Lucio
fucking what, Flame
no shotcaller
delicate sparrow
I'd assume that both gods and seagull aren't very good shotcallers
delicate sparrow
nrg had problems with shotcalling waaaay back when gods was still on the team
solid spear
Dhak isnt US
pine star
He's talking about Selfless
clever wagon
That's not my point
solid spear
Wait nvm
clever wagon
Yes
delicate sparrow
either way, new lucio takes like. actual skill to play and I don't think gods or seagull have any real experience on it
pine star
kek
clever wagon
Lol
balmy wolf
Seflless is more the exception rather than the norm,
pine star
Flame just went full 
clever wagon
If their goal is to work it like Selfless does, then I'm like whatever I guess?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
balmy wolf
you don't need to shotcall when you have Dafran, Emongg and fucking Sinatraa fragging out
balmy wolf
Again, it is more exception rather than the norm
don't use it as "oh they can do it, why not X team"
clever wagon
delicate sparrow
I imagine their lack of a shotcaller mostly works due to them playing together for so long
balmy wolf
and mind you, in the
clever wagon
Which is why I'm pretty much whatever
balmy wolf
pick that Flame proposed
@clever wagon do you have experience in scrimmage environment in OW?
clever wagon
No, but how is that relevant
clever wagon
Jfc
balmy wolf
Seflless might not have a sole field general, but at least 50% of the plan will come out of a primary shotcaller at least
balmy wolf
just saying your opinion is just outright misinformed.
clever wagon
I know every team have their own system
balmy wolf
none of flame's pick had shotcalling experience either
or even a part of a system afaik
so are they going to just pugging or what?
🤔
that worked so well last WC
solid spear
pine star
clever wagon
I said
whatever he wants
balmy wolf
you can't just say "oh they can run whatever" then "oh i don't have experience in scrimmage environment", and expect no one to look at you like you are the idiot in the room
ah well.
clever wagon
What the fuck?
I MEANT IT IN THE LINES OF "if he wants to meme"
JFC
I guess there's no use retorting to someone just outright assuming I'm a fucking idiot
balmy wolf
well, you might not be one, but you did came off as one.
clever wagon
Whatever dude
pine star
Get a room you two.
balmy wolf
of course it isn't.
solid spear
Wait Sulli no
balmy wolf
What did i miss
pine star
Gankyou fighting with someone
clever wagon
We'll meme all night long @solid spear
solid spear
clever wagon
Memes conceived from the one night stand
solid spear
I love memes
pine star
Also Doa in Around the Watch @balmy wolf
balmy wolf
I dont watch around the watch
clever wagon
balmy wolf
Denial is a shit org tbh
clever wagon
Paladins
delicate sparrow
at least paladins advertises their esports lmao
still a shit game
not trying to argue it isn't
solid spear
Wolf Ive actually heard from Smash too that Denial is trash
especially when it comes to paying players
Obviously I dont know first hand butIve heard those things
clever wagon
Doesn't sound fun when you think about the off-chance Paladins becoming the refuge of endemic esports orgs
After being indirectly turned away by Blizz
solid spear
I mean didnt Paladins recently have some big ass LAN?
I know my school won a 10k Paladins tourney recently and Im like thats bigger than most OW stuff nowadays and thats college
balmy wolf
@solid spear it is rather amusing that xQC is part of Denial, and Denial let xQC did that whole business with Jolson
clever wagon
Well taking off from the Jolson/YikesOW incident... Denial is trash
solid spear
well yeah I heard about xqc saying something about payment and I believe him cuz I heards Marss and people who played under them in Smash complainabout the same thing
clever wagon
For not taking the initiative to mediate, they're trash, as sudden as it was
clever wagon
Could've made an offiicial statement afterwards, but they stayed silent
solid spear
just seems overall theyre kinda trash but I dont wanna say too much cuz obviously I have no direct ties
velvet scarab
jolson is a fucking troll lol
clever wagon
Even though it was obvious it would affect their name as well
balmy wolf
Denial is pretty low tier in term of endemic org
more like a stepping stone toward other orgs
still waiting for Navi, G2, Echo Fox, VP to invest in OW
but at this rate though
😴
solid spear
eh maybe if theyre super interested idk
I mean theres probably gonna be teams avaiable for them to pickup lol
if they want
pine star
On a totally unrelated note
balmy wolf
I mean ex Cyclone just qualified for TakeOver
pine star
This mini 3rd person view from last years WC 
balmy wolf
pretty good pickup if you ask me
pine star
clever wagon
Right, almost forgot
Those (mainly) CSGO/Dota orgs might end up not jumping down to OW
solid spear
idk
Im trying to be optimistic but Idbe lying if I said I wasnt flowing with negativity after the last few days hopefully we get news soon though
balmy wolf
lmao the lg in the bottom left
LG Loyal is going to be on the chopping block
sooner or later
lg evil is the green one right
quiet bone
yea
balmy wolf
actually
you know what a team might be dropping?
Rise Nation
and CLG
and LG Loyal
quiet bone
what are they even going to name the teams if its going to be city based
is it going to be Miami CLG?
Dallas Faze?
clever wagon
Does Selly talk in English more frequently than Kaiser does on stream?
digital pond
He talks in english to teammates
And tries to speak english to answer chat when asked in english
At least the time I was there.
balmy wolf
not as good as Kaiser
digital pond
Never said as good.
balmy wolf
they started to learn it when they just get to C9
digital pond
I literally just explained that he spoke it and it was surprisingly good
As he was speaking to teammates in soloq in english
Answering a dude in voice coms and the chat in english
balmy wolf
just going by what B1shop tell me in stream
digital pond
And I'm just going by his stream at 6-7 am this morning.
balmy wolf
why are we arguing about their english, seriously
digital pond
I'm not arguing you said he didn't speak English so I explained that he does.
balmy wolf
sigh
digital pond
Indeed.
balmy wolf
the joy of not having English as mother tongue
digital pond
Neither is it my mother tongue man.
I only explained that I saw him speak english when you said he didn't know it. Then you clarified you meant not as good as Kaiser and I agreed.
Only saying he does know the language.
balmy wolf
do you need to though
feels like we are just trying to get our last word in for whatever reason.
digital pond
Well I was originally answering Seiji, so when you answered to me yes I felt like I needed to answer.
If someone talks to me or something I just wrote.
balmy wolf
already second day in r/Overwatch discord and i'm already making friends
inb4 getting ban again. Ah well.
digital pond
I mean I'm not angry at you or something lol
Don't see why they would ban you for this since there's been way worse
balmy wolf
just calling it first.
digital pond
Ah, iono mods seems pretty leniant for the bit I've been here.
balmy wolf
got banned from flamecord, but the mods was particular nazi in there
and most of the regulars don't like me anyway so eh
forest raven
Talking, debating etc. is fine, just don't fling insults
digital pond
Never been to Flame's discord. But all I here just makes it seem circle jerky a tad bit.
hear*
balmy wolf
i'm just here to show my big OW willy
to compensate for my real life small one.
#justAsianthings
wintry matrix
not liquid what? nvm
rapid oxide
Paladins Major still doesn't reach a viewership of any online tournaments we had
delicate sparrow
I'd sincerely doubt it tbh. mendo and surefour were way too friendly and mendo really doesn't seem that backstabby
plus why would he ever assume anyone would side with him over s4
digital pond
I have no idea where the hell ZP is coming with this junk lmao.
He's been on a roll throwing fire balls at players lmao
There's nothing beneficial for Mendo to stage a coup at C9 or try too.
Plus if he did the org wouldn't be keeping him under their name as much as they did and allow him to promote their shit.
And I'm sure S4 would have talked about it.
He didn't hold back on NRG on stream he wouldn't about this.
The funny part is literally how ALL the rest of the players literally ignored the living shit out of ZP
And kept their lives going.
digital pond
It's the same shit as Thorin's video he got flamed for.
It's ZP's accusations with no sources.
If you're gonna throw grenades you better make sure you can pull the pin off of it.
wintry matrix
what's up with the pro scene and these random bursts of drama?
it feels like a soap opera
digital pond
It's the kind of thing that doesn't help the western scene either lol
Even if the info is true, it's Adult #1 throwing shit at Barely adult pro player #2 and getting into some shit drama with him in a discord publically.
Which they know is gonna end up public.
wintry matrix
exactly
solid spear
I mean I was in there and I knewthey were gonna do something when Mendo called out ZP like a couple hours before
wintry matrix
I mean, if it was Mendo starting shit at least you have some form of excuse like "he's young" but ZP is an adult
digital pond
I mean I guess but I don't get the point of slinging mud in general.
Especially since ZP is the older one here and just lowered himself to looking as childish
solid spear
nah Mendo was talking about the MendoBeef meme and said no one actually believes that but ZP
solid spear
well Mendo was basically saying ZP talks out of his ass
digital pond
I guess so, iono I still think this was useless.
He should have called him out on that
wintry matrix
true, i just wish he responded like flame responded dummy, that was classy
digital pond
And asking him to prove point out occassions that came to this conclusion.
solid spear
whatever it ended up on reddit in minutes of course lol
digital pond
Instead of trying to sling mud with no source onto mendo
To the point that the rest of the discord stopped giving a fuck
solid spear
well Mendo did mention occasions
digital pond
So what you're saying is ZP didn't answer to what was said but instead tried to use something else because he was upset.
solid spear
nah
Im saying Mendo was basically saying stuff ZP said about Twoeasy was nonsense and that Twoeasy was cool orwhatever vased on his experiences with him
I shouldnt even be lol read some juicy r/overwatchdrama
digital pond
Iono it seems weird that he was upset enough from that to throw these stuff like that.
The whole thing in general is just silly.
digital pond
That's possible, I just don't have that information true and verified so I can't really speak to it.
forest raven
idk man
solid spear
but yeah if you have those conversations in Flames discord you know that shits ending up on reddit at least Mendo claiming gold
digital pond
The way I see it is just that ZP is the bigger person and interactive with people, and it just felt useless to go into that much drama
digital pond
Well
forest raven
digital pond
Talk to Blizz
forest raven
At least the memes are great
digital pond
They're keeping their NDA shut mouths strongly.
But it sure is making endemic orgs drop.
digital pond
And I don't want the OWL to be ruled by real sport companies alone
solid spear
digital pond
That shit smells like my feet after a run.
solid spear
master plan become mod here get in protalk get kicked from being a mod in 2 days for being an idiot, enjoy memes forever
digital pond
lol
rapid oxide
Twitter
digital pond
He's not wrong people aren't happy about it lmao.
narrow copper
except rogue is legit just all the best French players so it makes sense to send them
clever wagon
Woo Winz finally tweeted something
digital pond
PRetty much.
Rest is mostly content creators.
And most of the FR scene plays don't see a point of sending anyone else
clever wagon
digital pond
Yeah, just the prospect of a full team always looks better
Also I miss Spree's streams
solid spear
I was actually to a person in another discord and was like if Dafran and Dhak were American would you just send Selfless
digital pond
Haha would be something to consider.
wintry matrix
the only way i'd enjoy rogue going to WC, is if they get completely destroyed
balmy wolf
according to the people in there, Mendo pretty much shittalked ZP for being a liar and unprofessional first
wintry matrix
the memes
balmy wolf
and ZP just clapped back, basically
solid spear
he did
balmy wolf
none of them looking good tbh
solid spear
he was talking about Twoeasy in particular
balmy wolf
clever wagon
@wintry matrix the only way i'd enjoy rogue going to WC, is if they get completely destroyed
wintry matrix
especially if it is by Brazil
digital pond
Lol I mean at the end that changes nothing for me
They both looked like ass but ZP's claims were way more outlandish
And Mendo is a pro player
All he gets is viewers
And memes
wintry matrix
that's the thing with these kinds of drama, we'll never know the full story
so it's pointless to argue
at most we can say how unprofessional/childish these things are
digital pond
With casters/players drama so rampant maybe OWL needs to not happen.
digital pond
Cause if I wanted to see a 30 years old man fight a 20 year old dude I wouldn't have graduated college.
solid spear
I mean I like ZP but his claims are outlandish and most likely baseless
digital pond
It felt like he was just aiming to sting Mendo if anything.
The funny part is he called Mendo out for not proving his point but brought himself 0 sources of his claims.
clever wagon
Jfc
delicate sparrow
yeah that's the part that really bothers me lmao. it really does not feel true at all
digital pond
Like I get he felt attacked I guess but Mendo literally said "Your info is wrong"
And now he's been attacked and called a liar apparently.
wintry matrix
inb4 the only reason Monte signed in it's because all OWL spots will be filled with bought out korean teams
digital pond
Lmao I could see that
Sport orgs got that good good cash
I'm more worried about all slots being sport team owned with little to no infrastructure if anything.
clever wagon
I guess I'll just chill with compact Jermboi strim vods
balmy wolf
ZP claims are actually have basis in truth at least from what i've heard
so it is not outlandish
rapid oxide
Rise Phaz: Trying to be the last one standing
digital pond
Yeah we all hear shit
clever wagon
Dude just got 2 x 10k bits in like less than 5-10 minutes
digital pond
But if you're gonna call out someone for have 0 proof don't do the same shit within the convo
balmy wolf
well, not when I have sources that are close to the pro scene
and Mendo did shit on ZP earlier in the convo
so ZP just clapped back really
digital pond
He said his info was not good
That's not calling him a liar you can believe info given to you and it can be shit info
balmy wolf
what exactly Mendo have to say though? ZP is truthful? o f course not.
and no, i'm not talking about their DM
clever wagon
3 x 10k bits in 11 minutes after this vod started
balmy wolf
it was earlier in the discord
when Mendo was shittalking ZP first
accusing him of being unprofessional and liar
so 🤷
digital pond
Oh well it frankly doesn't matter except for making the western scene look like more shit than it usually does in esport
digital pond
They do but they're pretty damn PR about it.
The LH player drama was also not a random caster or random adult going out of his way
In a public discord channel fighting with a player being a shit head.
IT blew up because it was a shit drama but the way they handled it was nowhere near as bad as drama is in the west.
balmy wolf
you never know the amount of talking went behind though
because of the language barrier
afaik inven (KR equivalent of reddit) was on fire during that
digital pond
I went to an international school with a lot of native koreans I usually ask them to translate for me.
rapid oxide
Kimchi anyone? 
solid spear
pls nu
digital pond
My point wasn't that KR doesn't have drama my issue was that drama seemt o be the only thing fueling the west and making it look silly
Of course KR looks silly during their drama
But it's not as often, as silly and as badly pr'ed
balmy wolf
the grass are always greener from the other side
vale kindle
Not rly
digital pond
Or you know LTJ and Dean didn't go on Reddit to fight
And meme
They got called out and shut the fuck up
clever wagon
Because they also got the fans pressuring them
digital pond
Until they apologize to avoid more drama
clever wagon
Not in the west
solid spear
I mean ZP earlier this week kinda went out of his way to shit on Dummy on reddit too granted that at least was gameplay related but generally speaking if he has aspirations of being an OWL caster he should be more professional
digital pond
There's drama in esport in all regions.
clever wagon
People just stay for snips and then fuel the drama even more
balmy wolf
in between fans acting rabid and demand nothing short of blood from the players vs fans munching in popcorn when shits like this goes down
i'm not quite sure which is worst
digital pond
Yeah and I'm not speaking of fans once again
I'm speaking of it in terms of the parties involved
Redditor XYX on the reddit forum doesn't impact as much as mendo or ZP do with their actions
solid spear
I mean I wouldnt even compare to Korea they have their own shit
balmy wolf
@solid spear tbf, Dummy had been in a shithouse for quite a while. Flame was calling for Dummy's sacking since MLG Vegas
solid spear
but I agree this stuff isnt good
balmy wolf
this is just more of the things tin the past
solid spear
well Mendo said Flames slanderis a lot of the reason Dummy gets so much shit while IN Flames discord lol
digital pond
The also big thing is even if KR drama was anywhere near Western drama it wouldn't matter because of how established Esport is there.
It's not as core in the west and this doesn't help it.
The KR community is also more apt to crushing bullshit.
Then wanting to just meme it
balmy wolf
Dummy was doing dumb shits back in OW Open, tbh
it is not the first time he played like crap
solid spear
Its not that I disagree
its just that if hes trying to be in OWL he needs to be more proffesional
digital pond
At the very least when ZP called dummy out he threw a lot of info people could go back to and check
So it wasn't AS big of a deal.
digital pond
Dummy also caused Flame to flame his as
By assaulting him randomly on twitter.
Not saying it's professional of Flame or anything
solid spear
well Flame and Dummy go back before that I believe
digital pond
But he threw the bait
digital pond
Probably but he literally got Flame heated 2-3 days before his casting
balmy wolf
Dummy straight up shit on flame for being a.....flamed out pros
digital pond
So even if Flame wanted to be chill he got prepared to not be
balmy wolf
lol
digital pond
The funny part of that tweet convo was how Flame wasn't even talking of being pro
And was talking about content creation
I think what made it infinitely worse was the C9 game
Where he slept tracer and stood there and goit the game cam on him
While his team died with no heals
clever wagon
Oh
digital pond
I don't think he had nade
But he stood there waited til tracer was starting to get up
shot punched
during an enemy zen trans
clever wagon
Don't think the shot hit either
clever wagon
Just the punch while he started walking backwards
digital pond
Cause he kinda showed him playing badly focused on him.
toxic yacht
Well, at least esca just has short blurps of wut
digital pond
Yeh
toxic yacht
What dummy did
digital pond
They could have held street if he kept the tanks up
toxic yacht
That's just really bad ana play
digital pond
That threw that check point out of the door
solid spear
I mean
Im not trying to say blow up the roster or anything but there are good main supports available
so hes gonna need to improve
digital pond
I mean maybe he CAN adapt.
Who the fuck knows
Just right now he's playing 80 dps Ana with a 60dps ana.
solid spear
I mean I dont wanna be the blow up the roster and build around Idd and Harb guy because I do think they have a decent enough core to be good but there are clear...problems
that need to be fixed
clever wagon
Most decent pro ana Would just leave the target helplessly sleep for the full duration if they know they can't combo them
digital pond
I think even if he wanted to kill and it was a good occassion
The Zen trans was a red signasl
Or not doing so
clever wagon
That kind of thing should be a jotted down split second judgement
balmy wolf
blowing up the the roster and rebuilding NRG is the correct choice to go
and Dummy had gone for far too long to be "let him try"
solid spear
I mean the blow up the roster opinion isnt an uncommon one but idk with Splyce, coL, B1am, Connorj and probably LG Loyal and even others suddenly available and NRG having money theres defintely some new....possibilities if they decide a couple changes are needed
well see
delicate sparrow
even if dummy had used the nade it probably wouldn't have mattered. he waited almost the full 6 seconds to wake the tracer up, I'd be suprised if recall wasn't up too
digital pond
True
solid spear
the point is he shouldve left and healed
delicate sparrow
yeah
delicate sparrow
that's the kind of mistake I made when I was still in plat
rapid oxide
Kungarna reuinion?
solid spear
why
rapid oxide
Funfact: Kungarna was a Paladins team, and placed in semis, but moved on Overwatch because had better opportunities
solid spear
yeah Mykl talked about that once lul
rapid oxide
Guess they regret now haha
digital pond
Yeah no choice at this point with how silent they've been
solid spear
cant wait for the OWL announcement in Q7 2019
balmy wolf
Winter Premiere will go down in history as the worst NA LAN
none of the teams participated in that had came out well
solid spear
well IMT
balmy wolf
not really. They have been doing the inconsistent can can since then
digital pond
I was meme'ing
They just take a while to actually warm up in every tournament they've been in
They have a bit of trend of just starting slow and ramping up a bit as tournaments go
Which is pretty awful in the long term
But fingers crossed we don't see more teams axed
rapid oxide
Twitter
solid spear
🐍
rapid oxide
Twitter
balmy wolf
time can only tell how much snake he want to do later though
rapid oxide
velvet scarab
Lol
toxic yacht
Eh, ajax memes are getting old tbh
He also played much better than last time in their most recent game
toxic yacht
The shirt 
rapid oxide
clever wagon
Joined it live
weak bloom
wow so Splyce, compLexity, Denial, Red Reserve, and TSM all dropping out of OW
Is this the start of an OW esports team fallout?
clever wagon
What is SK @rapid oxide
Inb4 Vace makes a dissertation explaining what his SK actually is
Wait
rapid oxide
@weak bloom splyce is a small org and team was decent/meh, complexity always had trouble with costant trials and harb n shake hardcarried while tjo brothers were incosistent, red reserve is a irrelevant org lmao, TSM is focused on LoL only, they dont give a fuck about OW (look at csgo drama) also they are scared about OW scene since they took "former cheaters"
clever wagon
Holy shit
rapid oxide
@clever wagon http://www.sk-gaming.com/
rapid oxide
clever wagon
Ewwww LL Sunshine not Yousoro
Heresy
But moving back to esports
Don't cut off my head Draw
rapid oxide
delete the : and type it again
clever wagon
Loool
rapid oxide
bugged on mobile
clever wagon
Smash it to pieces and get a new one 👌🏿
rapid oxide
Paladins
rapid oxide
Every F2P is P2W
if not every, 95% of them
that's why i dropped F2P since OW, i will play F2P casually but i wont take them seriously anymore. The only F2P not P2W is actually Dota... it's the only one that came in my mind...
weak bloom
Agreed, the teams that have bowed out are pretty small potatoes. Will have to see if others follow thought.
rapid oxide
my bet next are: LG Loyal (They underpeform a lot. Most likely they will keep LG Evil) Rise (Too small organisation) Selfless (Small org but they are in touch with big org to sell their team)
pine star
Don't forget Fnatic
rapid oxide
nah, fnatic is a big org
crisp lynx
SK = south korea
vestal mortar
👀
crisp lynx
rapid oxide
soft jetty
pine star
@rapid oxide big org doesn't mean they'll keep the roster
rapid oxide
sure
pine star
Also, Hulk's description in his candidature for Germany's committee:
rapid oxide
pine star
"Hi, my name is Dennis "INTERNETHULK" Hawelka and in 2016 I was Team Germany's captain. I also am captain for EnVyUS, one of the best teams in the world."
vestal mortar
😭
rapid oxide
TSM replace OW for PUBG
pine star
Just for this, I hope Rogue stomps the shit out of EnVy
rapid oxide
vestal mortar
NRG has deep pockets I think they will be able to afford a spot in the OWL >_>
pine star
They got that sweet Shaq money
spring lintel
The question is " will shaq give a single fuck?"
With the current roster
0 wins
toxic yacht
they also got the sweet washington deal, lul
spring lintel
pine star
The Washington DeNRGzeds
vestal mortar
It is going to go well, there is a wealth of free agents now if they want to replace any of the roster and if they get a spot in the league they can have the cream of the crop.
pine star
Twitter
Ok, I don't know who this guy is or if this is to be believed at all
But that sounds like a shit ton of money
vestal mortar
Yep
rapid oxide
how he knows? 
pine star
No idea
vestal mortar
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pine star
A report from Richard Lewis suggests that New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft and Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross have both purchased Overwatch League spots in multi-million dollar deals. Up to $20 million is being bandied about for the Kraft deal, according to Dot Esports' own sources.
rapid oxide
Up to 20
pine star
Yeah obviously
vestal mortar
Indeed
pine star
We know not all spots will cost the same
pine star
But... that's still is a massive amount for any spot
Wtf is that comparison Vace? League spots are not mass produced lol
rapid oxide
idk
maybe 20m is the value
not what you are going to spend
i dont know
idc... make it succesfull and im fine
pine star
For what I understand, the spot was allegedly that price
vestal mortar
Yeah, I just want it to be successful 😭
toxic yacht
isn't it done by bidding?
probably it just got stupid high because a retards kept piling on more and more money for the spot
pine star
"You're unlikely to see 90 percent of esports brands involved if things continue this way," the source says
Slasher is the source confirmed
vestal mortar
Oh yeah bidding would make sense
clever wagon
I mean if it's through bidding and people bid up to that value
That could mean they are more than ready and willing to invest
And in turn they probably also gonna throw as much money as they can to make it succeed
Hopefully
pine star
Also means there are a couple big names bidding for the same spot
clever wagon
Ye
pine star
supple nymph
supple nymph
wat
clever wagon
But even then it still goes back to Blizz and what or how much they can do to make it succeed with the support of all those money being thrown at them
pine star
@supple nymph oh damn, that's some spicy shit we got here
clever wagon
Is it a new comment?
clever wagon
I've read that thread hours ago when the drama was first mentioned here
I've read both their replies there
rapid oxide
Sulli, i post that twit already 😛
pine star
I reposted purposefully because he is laughing at us right now talking about shit we don't know lol
rapid oxide
fucking korean fellatio enthusiast
funny part is
monte was like us when he was on ogn
pine star
So much spice
vestal mortar
I don't know how to feel about any of this drama lately, I don't know who to believe. All I know is that I expected people to not be so public about their personal conflitcs.
rapid oxide
got tired of drama
supple nymph
why are they even having this stupid conversation in public?
why are they even discussing it?
zp has opinions if you are a player you have to deal with stuff like that
pine star
/r/ProOverwatchDrama
rapid oxide
https://dotesports.com/overwatch/sombra-sit-emote-in-overwatch-14572 relevant news pls
better be 
vestal mortar
pine star
esportS
toxic yacht
eoS
rapid oxide
i love esport, is soo entertaining 
pine star
vestal mortar
wow 😛
rapid oxide
- Evil Geniuses $15,720,578.11 640 Tournaments
fun fact, EG, even with his earnings can't afford an OWL Spot
vestal mortar
That's why esports orgs that want a spot in the league will probably partner with a sports org
Eg Detroit Renegades, Miami Misfits etc
spring lintel
Fuck it i am gonna go ahead and say it
Blizz might sue me
They are already in advanced talks with so many orgs as big as Miami dolphins
pine star
No shit
limber pine
and public articles
pine star
^
spring lintel
Some even bigger than Miami dolphins 
pine star
No. Shit.
limber pine
how can you get much bigger than an NFL team
Apple Google Facebook investing?
I'm gonna play for the Google Apps
or the Amazon Primers
pine star
The Coca-Colos
vestal mortar
lmao
pine star
I approve of this meme
limber pine
Starbucks Doubleshots
pine star
The Big Macs
spring lintel
LoL has samsung and some big electronic companies names
:coolpepe:
The apple monsters
Samsung champions
The Mac eaters
spring lintel
What if they are in talks with governments ?
To make the WC big as fuck
Like soccer
/football
pine star
Facebook's Team Angery
spring lintel
Toshiba Weebs
limber pine
this is a fun game
spring lintel
It really is I am thinking so hard
AT&Team
Wallmart's shoppers
Fuck I am so bad at this
rapid oxide
Microsoft eSport 
pine star
Microsoft's Blue Team of Death
rapid oxide
Bank of China eSport 
God eSport 
generate revenue of a “similar scale” to the NBA and NFL.
supple nymph
but will people actually watch it
supple nymph
hardly anyone watches the current tournaments
rapid oxide
if its succeed
supple nymph
maybe if it's LAN more will watch?
rapid oxide
this will be the milestone of esport
spring lintel
If this shit starts like this they are gonna need to hire more devs for OW
rapid oxide
a revolution of esport
supple nymph
that is such a meme baaam
rapid oxide
I hope that they will spend that fucking 1b blizz
supple nymph
i dont even know where to start
rapid oxide
for OW
supple nymph
@spring lintel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks's_law
rapid oxide
adding more people dont speed up, but helps a lot
spring lintel
I wish to see OW get bigger than all of the other esport games combined
rapid oxide
i hope so bam
pine star
@rapid oxide that depends on how modular it is
rapid oxide
so i will shit on lol and cs fags
spring lintel
I am gonna shit so hard on them
clever wagon
Well I mean to begin with
rapid oxide
but shitting on it trigger me
clever wagon
Do CSGO and Dota have big sports orgs involved? Genuine question
spring lintel
Tbh they need more stuff in game to be that good of an Esport
clever wagon
LoL isn't even included in my question
rapid oxide
Overwatch League on Netflix, FOX and ESPN
spring lintel
It's funny cause they are called samsung team something
clever wagon
I know the gist of how deep LoL runs in korea
rapid oxide
CSGO with Turner TV
clever wagon
@rapid oxide Audi? As a sponsor, not primary team owner?
pine star
Samsung Galaxy
clever wagon
But with OWL we're already talking about city slots and owners right
pine star
^
clever wagon
But that's not really their main goal no? Unlike the end goal of OWL
rapid oxide
https://i.imgur.com/Iq6SIX7.png so sweet ^^
spring lintel
OW currently is not the ideal choice to make a career out of
clever wagon
End goal of OWL is to make those actual major sports orgs to buy slots and own teams themselves, not just sponsor
spring lintel
SEXIST!!!!
clever wagon
But if Monte-DoA's optimism and the first 2 sports orgs to purchase slots are to go by...
clever wagon
Hey, c'mon, they're looking to be the first female team