esports-discussion

[toxic yacht]

and got picked off

you'll see him in super weird positions overall

could also be that dummy not being too reliable is why num always feeds

[pine star]

That was on Nepal shrine wasn't it

[toxic yacht]

yeah

[pine star]

I remember that lol

[toxic yacht]

basically, agressive tanks usually have reliable healers

[pine star]

Such a stupid death

[toxic yacht]

you'll notice that if a healer isn't doing to well it makes the main tank look like crap

I mean, ulting into shields

[pine star]

That alone cost them the map

[toxic yacht]

is 100% on num

[pine star]

Yeah but

Is not like Numlocked is free of guilty either

[toxic yacht]

but numlocked's abysmal performance is most likely a result of the whole team not meshing well

I did say that he also makes mistakes

[pine star]

He makes some stupid ass decisions some times

[toxic yacht]

he was a really good tank back when he had a team that actually synergized

[pine star]

rip

[balmy wolf]

I agree with everything Surefour said except the part about the twitter Drama

Dummy really isnt up to par

It was suggested in that same thread that if LG Loyal is releasing it's players (or something along those lines) they should pick up Hidan

[supple nymph]

twitter just gets immature people kicked off teams

[toxic yacht]

surefour just said that he doesn't like ajax due to it, which I can understand

I also don't agree

but c'mon, what ajax did was insanely stupid

I mean, he realized that he made a mistake and regrets doing it

but that tweet was still really, really dumb

[balmy wolf]

meh

[pine star]

You mean the TSM drama tweet?

[toxic yacht]

If you actually see the tweet

[balmy wolf]

Yeah sure it was dumb but he was a young naive kid

[toxic yacht]

he was using reaver's quote in a hostile context

[supple nymph]

where he posted an insanely racist quote from someone?

[balmy wolf]

and even deleted it not an hour later

[supple nymph]

good idea

[balmy wolf]

And its not like he was being a blatant racist and then took it down

he was quoting someone else

[toxic yacht]

he wasn't being racist

just really dumb

[balmy wolf]

But then took it down realising how it could be very offensive

[toxic yacht]

like, you literally quote a tweet saying something racist while using it towards someone in a more hostile but still jokey manner

you should really realize that that's fucking stupid before you do it

[pine star]

I think the whole drama around it is more stupid than the tweet itself if I'm being honest

[toxic yacht]

but eh, the whole drama surrounding it is overblown

[supple nymph]

drama -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/69q5sx/overwatch_youtuber_ohnickle_still_hasnt_given_me/

top of r/all

opps -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/69rgqq/the_ohnickel_drama_ive_debunked_the_situation_and/

[balmy wolf]

I agree with sulli

Ehh @supple nymph

That isnt esports related

[supple nymph]

opps

here esports watch me throw (first match in this video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrDVb87TMU8

[pine star]

[supple nymph]

the team I was against ended up winning the tournament

my luck 😦

[balmy wolf]

Should have got me on the team

im a 3v3 pro

[supple nymph]

it was random draft

[clever wagon]

If you think about it

Even Ster only dropped to Master for a relatively short period a couple weeks ago

After that he's back to consistently hovering in low to mid GM

But he's a streamer who has no intention to go pro

And then there's...

[toxic yacht]

?

[pine star]

What does that have to do with anything?

[clever wagon]

Just a passing thought

[wintry matrix]

i still wonder if people take rank seriously, and if they do why

[clever wagon]

Depends

In a country like Korea they do, apparently

Because they do try their best in ranked

At least seemingly better than other regions

Otherwise not sure

[wintry matrix]

i'm not on the "if i play as much as dafran i'll be better than him" but like, it's really easy to decrease and increase

or rather, volatile

like, it's not even subjective, we all know the system isn't perfect

[clear raptor]

Guys is C9 going to beat LG Evil today?

[balmy wolf]

I think so

[clear raptor]

Ok good

Oh I thought it was CLG RN up first

[clever wagon]

i'm not on the "if i play as much as dafran i'll be better than him"

it's a fucking meme

[wintry matrix]

i know, just said as an example

like, i get the memes, but i wondered if people took it seriously

[supple nymph]

LOL U TOOK THAT SRSLY ITS JUST A MEME

[cinder zealot]

C9 vs. LGE starts in 2 minutes
https://www.twitch.tv/cyberpowergaming

[supple nymph]

22 minutes*

[clever wagon]

"My name is nipple, Ohnipple"

[supple nymph]

shedlord is back

[clever wagon]

Shedshow

[toxic yacht]

ping me when the match actually starts pls

[supple nymph]

it's still in pre-game talks

@toxic yacht

[toxic yacht]

thank mr ford

luv u bby

[supple nymph]

mindgames

[toxic yacht]

mfw I want both LGE and c9 to advance

[wintry matrix]

i'm happy already if LGE plays well

wait, does s4 play dva?

[toxic yacht]

well, your wish is coming true

[supple nymph]

he does now

[toxic yacht]

for some reason s4 and xepher play like this

when they wanna run dva they put s4 on dva and xepher on tracer

LG Evil doing well again 😍

[spring lintel]

Poor dummy

[clever wagon]

Yeee boi

[clear raptor]

Why is surefour on dva..

[spring lintel]

Do you think dummy will stay with all of this criticism?

[wintry matrix]

who knows what happens in the NRG headquarters

[toxic yacht]

I also find it funny that more teams are running dva over zarya

imagine you'd have said that pre-november patch

lol

[wintry matrix]

yeah

[clever wagon]

DM is better for protection

Selly just can't get a good angle

Lol

[supple nymph]

didn't someone in the nrg thread say roster changes are the best way to deal with chronic problems like this

zp or someone?

[toxic yacht]

it was zp

[wintry matrix]

he said that?

[spring lintel]

Nrg needs to pick up hidan, gale, or anyone

[toxic yacht]

makes me wonder how Hidan would do in NRG

hidan is a god

[clever wagon]

NRG has all the Shaq money

[wintry matrix]

to me it seemed he was criticizing dummy, not affirming that

[spring lintel]

Zp confirmed it

[clever wagon]

Roster change is just another easy way out

[toxic yacht]

I mean, they're already trying ube

[spring lintel]

Ajax replied to him saying the n word

[toxic yacht]

????

[wintry matrix]

yeah, i remember flame saying something about how NRG's management ain't great, or something

[spring lintel]

He said he was wrong and sorry

[velvet scarab]

Nrg could get anyone they want

It's just do people want to go there

[spring lintel]

Zp said they have a shit ton of money and can buy literally anyone

Fuck yes yolt

They can drown people in money

[velvet scarab]

Yeah

[wintry matrix]

i wonder why didn't they go for shake, as he's going out of coL

[spring lintel]

I am not familiar with col but I think i have seen him play and he isnt that bad

[wintry matrix]

or i wonder if they really have faith in Dummy

[spring lintel]

I wonder if dummy has inside connections ?

[clever wagon]

Geezus look at LGE fighting strong with triple tank in this day and age

[toxic yacht]

surefour genji

I don't know why LGE started running triple dps and 2-2-2

tbh

they were super good at quad/triple tank

[clever wagon]

JAKE

[toxic yacht]

hehe, super

[wintry matrix]

because meta

[clear raptor]

C9 not looking great ...

[clever wagon]

Ye dude

[toxic yacht]

rob420 stopped getting picked off first

[clever wagon]

I swear their triple tank is one of the most solid

[wintry matrix]

ZP has spoken a lot about how LGE and IMT kinda turned in meta slaves sometimes

[toxic yacht]

they were stupid good with their aggressive quad tank

and yes, I feel like lge is a lot like IMT

[wintry matrix]

yeah

[clever wagon]

WOAAA

[toxic yacht]

jeez, LGE

[clever wagon]

POPPING OFF

[past oar]

why is surefour playing genji vs 3 tanks?

[clever wagon]

LOVE SEEING BOYS GETTING BACK IN THEIR TOP FORM

[toxic yacht]

now you're an LGE fanboy again, eh?

😉

[clever wagon]

I've always been

[toxic yacht]

their running triple dps, that's why

yeah, they just stopped playing

took a much needed break

[clever wagon]

It just wasn't so hot seeing them pre-break

Yeah

[toxic yacht]

and genji is actually not bad vs triple tank if you play him right

and since they're running a triple dps comp, I don't see what's bad on genji

[past oar]

he was getting destroyed

[clever wagon]

Maybe too late into the run

And can't get into rhythm

[past oar]

he blade and got insta popped

not much room in that choke

maybe if they got pass the gate

[clever wagon]

I mean with these triple DPS you usually slowly build up and climax with swift picks and proceed to take over

[past oar]

it would make more sense

[errant oracle]

When do you guys Overwatch League will start

[clever wagon]

If you switch to triple dps that late into the round and in an uncomfortable spot, well

[toxic yacht]

if they had waited a bit before swording it'd have gone differently

[past oar]

using blade when you were clearly are coming out of the gate, in plane line of sight was pretty easy to shutdown

[toxic yacht]

...jake

pls

he's historically terrible at pharah v pharah duels

and surefour is a god on pharah

pls

[clever wagon]

Hm

Super is on Winston

Isn't it ok for Jake to solly?

[supple nymph]

FUCK

THE SHOTS

HE HIT EVERY ONE

[toxic yacht]

jeez

surefour

[clear raptor]

Surefour deyum

[toxic yacht]

why is jake even trying?

[supple nymph]

LMAO

[toxic yacht]

FUCKING HELL

[solid spear]

Rip I had church how much I miss?

[toxic yacht]

WHAT IS SUREFOUR

[past oar]

why was surefour playing dva

on hollywood

lol

[wintry matrix]

geez

[toxic yacht]

you missed LGE have a pretty convincing win on hollywood @solid spear

[wintry matrix]

pls LGE, try something else

[supple nymph]

LOOK AT THE SHOTS

[toxic yacht]

hey guys

[clear raptor]

omg

[toxic yacht]

jake won a fight

[clear raptor]

hahaha

[supple nymph]

do you know how hard it is to airshot mercy?

ITS FUCKING HARD

and he just does it

[wintry matrix]

HE WON ONE

[toxic yacht]

it's kinda easy

[solid spear]

I see

[supple nymph]

you're easy

[toxic yacht]

she becomes very predictable

[clever wagon]

I swear

[spring lintel]

So my point of view was right all along https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/69km8k/comment/dh7lvpw?st=J2EX9FYL&sh=2981f39c

[clever wagon]

Jake

Pls at least try Solly

[past oar]

so, is selly the full-time dps on c9?

[toxic yacht]

jake is a good pharah when there is no other pharah around

[clever wagon]

You have DVa DM and Winston to disrupt the air

[toxic yacht]

and then you have surefour

who's a god

like, why try to run the same comp

when c9 does it so much better?

fucking

surefour

he went solly

finally

[clear raptor]

This is more like it

[solid spear]

Time to watch Dad on my real main :3

[toxic yacht]

lmao, triple hitscan

with dva

and zenyatta

[forest raven]

C9 running the Korean dive

[toxic yacht]

holy shit

jeeez, surefour tilted them

literally 4 heroes

to counter pharmercy

[wintry matrix]

it worked with Envy didn't it?

[toxic yacht]

I mean, I'm not saying that it doesn't work

I just find it amusing that half the team swaps to counter pharmercy

[wintry matrix]

yeah

[supple nymph]

LOL

[toxic yacht]

tfw LGE keeps getting beaten on their best mode

[supple nymph]

it seemd like lg evil was doing so good but c9 has 99%

cause they werent on the point

[wintry matrix]

I mean, it's all bc of s4's pharah

they seem to have a really hard time countering it

[toxic yacht]

it's mostly because retaking from a dive is annoying af

infinite stalling

• pharah

[wintry matrix]

also that

[toxic yacht]

LGE on the triple tank stage

doesn't run triple tank

ok

maybe train's tracer is too valuable

surefour's genji

[supple nymph]

nrg should just buy surefour

[wintry matrix]

i mean, if seagull's gonna return, do you look for a permanent or just a sub?

[velvet scarab]

he wouldnt join nrg

[supple nymph]

what use is a player who's just gonna bench himself whenever he feels like it?

[wintry matrix]

it ain't like that

it's actually pretty understandable honestly, burnout exists

i'd say Seagull leaving is the least of NRG's problems

(still a big one, but)

[clear raptor]

What are the next maps here?

Gibraltar is one right?

[toxic yacht]

wtf

is

[clear raptor]

And then another control?

[toxic yacht]

surefour

[wintry matrix]

all escorts/hybrids

Oasis was the only control, they banned 2cp and other control maps

[spring lintel]

Lol dummy is masters

[clear raptor]

Bastards

Need more control xD

For the stomp

[spring lintel]

Let the memes begin

[clear raptor]

oh man this defence isnt going to go well

I can feel it

[toxic yacht]

haha

[supple nymph]

now that's how u play ana

[toxic yacht]

I hate ana

🙃

"bionade balanced"

lol

[supple nymph]

they have two ways to block it

🤷

[toxic yacht]

doesn't change the fact that it's broken

[supple nymph]

SUREBRA

[toxic yacht]

surefour

selly and xepher

or bishop

100% one of their ideas

[forest raven]

I've seen "Train --> xepheR" like five times already

[supple nymph]

PLS CAMERA GUY

SHOW SOMBRA

[toxic yacht]

lmao

[supple nymph]

LMAO

[toxic yacht]

nice boop

[supple nymph]

LOL

WTF

[toxic yacht]

EVEN BETTER BOOP

[clear raptor]

wooooah

amazing

[past oar]

Adam wasting the EMP

lmao

[supple nymph]

pincered

to death

[clear raptor]

Lets go c9

[past oar]

really smart sombra pick

I love it

[solid spear]

Dad

[limber berry]

Lets see if Avast can boop as well

Surefour is en fuego

[toxic yacht]

surefour is one of my many dads

[velvet scarab]

surefour is amazing

[supple nymph]

LOL

ninja soldier

[toxic yacht]

xepher pls

surefour missed the slash

surefour on sombra again

[supple nymph]

selly 👀

[toxic yacht]

jeeeeezus

[limber berry]

wow

[clear raptor]

gg baby

[limber berry]

if only my sombra play was 5% of that

[wintry matrix]

I TAKE A SHOWER AND FUCKING MISS SOMBRA?

[supple nymph]

surebra

doing work

[clear raptor]

potg adam surely

oh yes

[forest raven]

They definitely practiced Sombra

[wintry matrix]

man, now i'm getting hyped up for c9

even tho Gods is a xqc

[toxic yacht]

gods doesn't pulsebomb his own pharmercy

[wintry matrix]

not talking about skill

[solid spear]

Selly carries every game he is flawless

Perfection

[past oar]

seeing that, isn't sombra always viable?

on every map, that is

[toxic yacht]

no, not on every

[solid spear]

Not always

[supple nymph]

maybe in pro i dunno about diamond

[toxic yacht]

eichenwalde has a ton of verticalitly though

and sombra's mobility

is frankly fucking ridiculous

[past oar]

gibraltar also has a lot of vert

[solid spear]

Plus the top 4 dps are just spammable af so teams generally stick with them

[toxic yacht]

so she can basically get around the entire map, that combined with tight chokes makes it amazing for sombra

the healthpacks are also accessible

[past oar]

yea

[toxic yacht]

and they were running triple tank, sombra kinda reks that

[past oar]

ah yea, that makes sense

I've seen Sombra on Oasis, University

hacking the bottom hp

1 support only on the team

lucio iirc

30 sec emps

was pretty nuts

[supple nymph]

HANZO WIDOW

oh

just widow

[toxic yacht]

fuckin jake

jeeez

that deflect

[supple nymph]

SUREBRA

"NOT AN ASSASSIN"

[toxic yacht]

c9 stronk

[solid spear]

DAD

[clear raptor]

This is brutal

[vestal mortar]

Soooo good

[solid spear]

DAD IS SO GOOD

[clear raptor]

Nooo why is s4 on dva again

[supple nymph]

SUREDOW

[solid spear]

Selly did everything by himself what a God

[past oar]

surefour on lucio?

wth?

oh, lol

[toxic yacht]

jake doing his best surefour impression

[supple nymph]

"surefour did it ill do it too"

[toxic yacht]

LGE throwing

[supple nymph]

LOL

[vestal mortar]

Rob nuuuu

[toxic yacht]

that pick on xepher

yay

[clear raptor]

booo

no dva

whyyyy

Literally whenever he goes dva c9 start losing

[supple nymph]

SUREDOW

[vestal mortar]

CHOO CHOO

[supple nymph]

oh back to dva

[toxic yacht]

wtf is this game

holy fuck

[clear raptor]

for fucks sake surefour

[supple nymph]

surefour is 100% wasted on dva

[clear raptor]

STOP GOING DVA

[limber berry]

seriously

[supple nymph]

he can play world class pharah/genji/hog/sombra

so why go fuckin dva

[clear raptor]

its unbelievable

every time he does lg start stomping

[supple nymph]

he might as well go mercy lol

[clear raptor]

then he switches and c9 start winning again

[limber berry]

no one is pushing the cart....

[toxic yacht]

wtf

THEY DOIN IT BOYS

HOW

HOW DID THIS WORK

LMAO

[limber berry]

wow

[toxic yacht]

@versed gate you guys are amazing :P

[supple nymph]

surefour's brain stopped working

[toxic yacht]

np, he's on do not disturb, he won't get any notification

[clear raptor]

fucks sake man

[forest raven]

As a C9 fan

Being a C9 fan is suffering

[toxic yacht]

I love both c9 and LGE

hek

[supple nymph]

why does he go dva

[toxic yacht]

this match is hard

I don't know whom to root for

although I'm leaning towards LGE

[clear raptor]

surefour dva lost them the game

xepher can go dva

sure4 dps

easy

[vestal mortar]

👏 L 👏 G 👏 E 👏

[clear raptor]

dva

great!

[toxic yacht]

well

that triple dps at the beginning

reeeeeeee

[supple nymph]

SUREBRA

.

[toxic yacht]

how in the actual fuck

damn

👍

selly got another tac visor

wtf

[supple nymph]

surefour getting shredded as dva

😦

[toxic yacht]

super LUL

that kill on gods

was amazing

LUL

lmao the spam on sombra

THEY DOIN IT

gg, fuckin hell, this game was good

guys, LGE is winning again

[limber berry]

well....

fire surefour

[supple nymph]

watching the first few maps there's no way you would think lg could win

[forest raven]

Being a C9 fan is suffering

[supple nymph]

it was like surefour's performance just dropped off

[solid spear]

Free Selly

[supple nymph]

cant help but think if he just stayed genji or pharah he would have done much much better

they dominated with pharmercy

but we never saw it again

[supple nymph]

i spaced out reading stuff for like 40 minutes

game still hasnt started

[vestal mortar]

Watching esports without esports discussion was lonely 😢

[toxic yacht]

desro jeeezus

wtf is this mic

[vestal mortar]

lol microphone magic, so smooth

[toxic yacht]

he just stuck a tracer

and forced out a recall

fuckin selly, lul

[balmy wolf]

I wanted to talk about how Rise lost a fight 5 ults vs 1 on Hanamura vs CLG

And the proceeded to lose the next one with the ult advantage again

[vestal mortar]

Good ol'Rise Nation

[toxic yacht]

rise nation thinking they're misfits now

nice rez, LUL

hex dying

adam op

[vestal mortar]

Adam is the best Mercy ever!

[solid spear]

Mercy that didn't die before rez

[toxic yacht]

next map is c9's pick?

not rise's?

wot

oh, they don't select maps

oops

[vestal mortar]

Ahhh

[toxic yacht]

so, from what I gathered

they draft maps

and then they are played in a specific order

I think

[balmy wolf]

Oh it's back

and just found out this is consolation final lol

C9

[toxic yacht]

why hiding chat?

:(

[vestal mortar]

Secret memes

Not for our eyes 👀

[solid spear]

Hmm do I watch Jake stream

[toxic yacht]

retzi wot

[vestal mortar]

Oh yeah, I was gonna post this https://www.over.gg/3870/shake-leaves-complexity

[fleet idol]

is gods main tank now?

[vestal mortar]

Ye

[solid spear]

Yes he is

[fleet idol]

how often do they run rein?

[vestal mortar]

Not too often but I have seen Gods on Rein a few times, mostly Winston though

[toxic yacht]

Rip coL completely, jeez

[fleet idol]

ok so mostly some form of dive

[solid spear]

The guy who commented in your article Tara has a good point

They need a flex and a support and B1am and ConnorJ are now available

[vestal mortar]

Yeah they would be a good two to pick up!

And Shake is amazing too so I can't imagine him staying a free agent for too long. 😍

Selly pls

[balmy wolf]

Did ZP just burp? LOL

[fleet idol]

holy crap that was beastly

well i guess i know why gods isn't on dps lol

[toxic yacht]

Inb4 nrg picks up shake

[fleet idol]

how long has gods been on tank?

[toxic yacht]

Since they got selly and xepher

[solid spear]

Sojum thatd be kinda fire

<.<

[toxic yacht]

We first saw gods on tank during rivalcade

[balmy wolf]

gg

[supple nymph]

twitch chat during the intel ads

🤦

[vestal mortar]

[wintry matrix]

twitch chat in general

thinking about it, if CLG picks Pharah-centric maps they got a huge chance of winning

[balmy wolf]

Was CLG even good before this tourney?

I remember them being like 3th, 4th tier

[wintry matrix]

they've been good in these last few tourneys

[balmy wolf]

Good for them

About time lol

[supple nymph]

isnt this amazing

no rogue

no predetermined results

it just happens

[wintry matrix]

also in apex

but yeah, it's refreshing

and i discovered that Shake is another Kaplan

[vestal mortar]

Yep haha

[balmy wolf]

ugh fuck

Another hour

[wintry matrix]

didn't they moved to 7pm ET?

[vestal mortar]

oh noey

I'll fall asleep

[wintry matrix]

oh, it's an hour anyway welp

tho apparently Rob420 power out

[vestal mortar]

Oh no, poor Rob 😦

[balmy wolf]

Can't wait for the hype Apex Semis

and then wait a month for the Final

[supple nymph]

why the delay

[wintry matrix]

did they say the reasoning behind it?

[balmy wolf]

To kill as much hype as possible and piss people off obviously

[wintry matrix]

oh, it's because of the WC preliminaries

[balmy wolf]

Yep

[wintry matrix]

i didn't saw the cow post

[supple nymph]

im afraid to ask

are the wc prelims casted

[wintry matrix]

i think they were, but dunno

[rapid oxide]

S4 "NRG support suck"

Dummy is getting lots of shit on reddit

[balmy wolf]

It will be @supple nymph

[supple nymph]

turns into giant /cow discussion

just by someone saying that and making a thread

lol

[rapid oxide]

Reddit is starving for drama

[supple nymph]

i feel cow is less retarded than ow though

given the drama with that youtuber

[rapid oxide]

Cow is not retarded at all

Ow is trash

[supple nymph]

it turns out the guy who made the post about the youtuber was the scammer in the first place

👀

[rapid oxide]

That post wasnt even overwatch related

[wintry matrix]

cow is just as bad sometimes

[rapid oxide]

Who the fuck cares

[wintry matrix]

at least OW is bad with inane stuff

[supple nymph]

they are going to do threads where you post the spam to

instead of just making new threads for every spam

[wintry matrix]

that's nice

[rapid oxide]

OW is bad.

[wintry matrix]

if you want an example of cow being worse just look at the s4 talking about NRG thread

[supple nymph]

that's what i was thinking when i said that lol

[rapid oxide]

Its way more entertaining than a shitty plat potg

[wintry matrix]

not really

i can filter highlights if don't want to see, i can't filter stupid comments

[rapid oxide]

I cant avoid stupid people

Like is unfair i guess

[wintry matrix]

such is it

[rapid oxide]

(not calling you stupid, talking generally)

Anyway... My boi CLG

[wintry matrix]

i know bby

[rapid oxide]

😘

Both lge and clg had to win a tourney

COWLeague doesn't count lol

[wintry matrix]

ye

[balmy wolf]

ZP is gone...

[rapid oxide]

S4 on Sombra 😍

[balmy wolf]

@clever wagon your team is playing in the finals !!

gank is on a team?

_

what

_>

???

Hm, I thought CLG would be able to get it easily

.-.

[rapid oxide]

Who the f is gank?

[balmy wolf]

Gankyou

[rapid oxide]

Who?

🤔

[balmy wolf]

@clever wagon

[rapid oxide]

Oh

I know him/her as seija only

[balmy wolf]

just queued qp

into ex-alt attax

[wintry matrix]

weren't you diamond?

[balmy wolf]

me?

There were go, that's the CLG I was expecting

[clever wagon]

Yes

YES

[balmy wolf]

Heyo

[wintry matrix]

yes

[balmy wolf]

Last time I was diamond was season 2

And i ran into them in qp

[wintry matrix]

didn't knew

[clever wagon]

Popping off

[wintry matrix]

if CLG picked Oasis this wouldn't have happened

[short vault]

need some HYDRATION

haHAA

[clever wagon]

Hex taking ZP's pun job

[balmy wolf]

So Rogue has Koreans too? I see

[clever wagon]

What?

[balmy wolf]

"Rogue is French/Korean too, I don't know if we can call them NA"

[short vault]

NA bronze push

[supple nymph]

LMAO

WTF

https://puu.sh/vJ1iE/c53a44a0d9.jpg

[clever wagon]

Miro strats

[balmy wolf]

An actual close match :D

[supple nymph]

boop

[clever wagon]

JAKE ON MCCREE

IS ELECTRIC COWBOY GONNA MAKE A COMEBACK

[supple nymph]

MCREEEE

REEEE

[clever wagon]

HOLY SHITTTT

[balmy wolf]

They won against 2CP

[clever wagon]

This is LGE's tenacity

[supple nymph]

still doing the shed meme

[short vault]

i missed what happened before the draw

why so many pogchamps

[clever wagon]

LGE clutched their last point

[balmy wolf]

LGE was about to lose the last point on Volskaya but pulled it back in epic fashion

[clever wagon]

Basically

Last moments started by Jake's 4 picks on McCree

[balmy wolf]

McCree is the number one hype hero

[clever wagon]

Too bad there was no window for them to summon electric cowboy

Best option was nanohog

[supple nymph]

that bm

LOL

JUST AS HE SAID IT

ATE THE GRAV

[balmy wolf]

How did LGE even win that?

[supple nymph]

uh oh

15 sec

nobody looking at jake

lol

just up there killing

LMAO GET FUCKED

[velvet scarab]

Waffle throwing lol

[clever wagon]

What the fuck lol

[supple nymph]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CutePoisedPlumTheRinger

[clever wagon]

Those 3 kills within 1 second

[balmy wolf]

ggs

[clever wagon]

THEY BACK

[balmy wolf]

And congrats

[supple nymph]

ROGUE WINS!

[clever wagon]

Oh geez

[cobalt stream]

Jeez, he just got raped straight not the bat.

[pine star]

https://twitter.com/Reinforce/status/861551945194115072

Jonathan Larsson (@Reinforce)

NA teams on the rise as Rogue and EnVyUs departs the region to compete in Korea! weow https://t.co/gXZh5GdI8Q

Twitter

[balmy wolf]

[pine star]

How was CyberPower?

Worth watching?

[digital pond]

I watched the NRG game.

I tilted on NUmbani watching Dummy wait to kill a Tracer that was being trance'ed as everyone died.

[pine star]

NRG vs C9?

[digital pond]

Yeah

It felt like he was trynna frag out like he had 80 damage the whole game.

[pine star]

That's the only match I watched lol

[digital pond]

And people just melted around him.

It was a bit disheartening cause I feel like he could do some sweet heals he isn't a trash player.

Just seemed focused on the wrong thing,

[pine star]

He's mechanically good

But he positions himself like a plat support main sometimes

[digital pond]

He feels focused on trying to make a play and I feel like if he focused on healing and enabling other players it would be better.

Cause it feels like he's playing old Ana.

And trynna frag out too much.

[pine star]

Yeah well

He does that on Zen too, and Zen hasn't changed

[digital pond]

Yeah Zen games were brutal for him. I mean Ajax got some kills on surefour for example but i feel maybe he needs to help Dummy a bit more

Or lead him to better position

Like something is a bit iffy if he has to be the one taking care of S4's widow.

ID played really well though.

Was pretty impressed.

[pine star]

Yeah

Old André is back it seems

Which is nice

[digital pond]

Yeah he seems to get better every game.

[pine star]

Too bad Ube didn't do jack shit the whole series

[digital pond]

I mean some of his blades didn't yield much but I feel it was more C9 disengaging well

Than the ults being timed wrong.

And a lot of blads he just didn't have speed to catch up on C9 back out like hell

Like Numbani defense S4 just cucked Dummy's potential heals on Ube to let him countereact

With Matrix

Granted he was playing from Europe with bad ping and it's pretty shitty for him.

[pine star]

He's in NA, is he not?

[digital pond]

Nah

LGL bootcamp ended like a week ago

[pine star]

Oh rip

[digital pond]

Spree is also home and hasn't stream in a while cause he has to re set up his shit at home for example.

They got vacation time for like a week and a half and haven't really played yet.

afaik

[pine star]

NRG needs to stop getting EU subs

[digital pond]

Ultima was NA too bad it didn't fit them I guess

[pine star]

I meant Mendo lol

[digital pond]

Yeah I know I just mean they tried an NA person idk

They are limited NA player wise I assume

A lot of potential big shots are already taken

And they probably wanna buy off someone already in top shape

[pine star]

It's gonna be hard to find a good projectile dps to sub for them in NA

[digital pond]

Yeah definitely.

[pine star]

All the good ones have a team

[digital pond]

And the ones without a team I don't think would join

Like Talespin prob wouldn't for example

[pine star]

Talespin is probably already with Fnatic I reckon

If rumors are to be believed

[digital pond]

Oh yeah I keep forgetting that.

Since nothing has been announced.

I'm worried for 2EZ though.

Tempo just has a pretty bad rep

[pine star]

He's gotta have to put his best pair of carry pants on

lol

[clever wagon]

'Sup

[digital pond]

I want Grego to find a team it's too bad he didn't stay with NRG, but I get the reasoning he put forward

Yo

[pine star]

Did you see any of yesterday's matches?

[clever wagon]

I watched like

[digital pond]

I watched some of the CLG game.

Not all.

[clever wagon]

Half of C9 v NRG

Then nothing until the finals

Lol

[digital pond]

I originally only watched to see Splyce play. Since they were trying out Shake which means they're deciding between him and Dogman.

But I think they did better with Doggo

[clever wagon]

It's running at like 11PM till morning on my end

[digital pond]

They almost beat selfless

One map off

I think Shake's Zenyatta is better than Dogman but I think dog's Ana might fit better

It's weird

[clever wagon]

If I'm not too hyped about it I couldn't even stay up for like a full match

[pine star]

Tfw the only way for CLG to make it to a final is when neither Liquid, EnVy, Rogue nor Selfless participate

[digital pond]

l0l

[clever wagon]

Luckily grand finals ran this morning right after I woke up

[digital pond]

We prob won't see selfless for a lil bit anyway

[clever wagon]

Just in time to watch ma bois back at their game and win it

[digital pond]

At least not until Dafran's visa is redone.

[clever wagon]

Wasn't the last time they (LGE) go against Selfless before their break?

[digital pond]

Who Splyce?

Sorry I haven't splet in a while so the sentence doesn't make sense to me or I'm brain dead.

[clever wagon]

Sure shows

[pine star]

Kek

[digital pond]

Almost 24 hours v0v

Could you reword it for me?

English is also not my first language so that doesn't help

[clever wagon]

Uhh no idea how could I reword it

Not first lingo

[digital pond]

Oh you edited

[clever wagon]

That's about as clear as I get

[pine star]

Tfw neither of us speak English as our first

[digital pond]

YOU EDITED HAHA

[clever wagon]

Geezus Anem

[digital pond]

MAkes more sense to me now

[clever wagon]

Get some sleep soon

[pine star]

Anem high af rn

[digital pond]

I thought you were asking if selfless went on a break ebcause originally you wrote LGE at the end

That threw me off

But yeah the last time LGE played until this tournament they lost to Selfless in the loser bracket of Rivalcade

[clever wagon]

That's before their... Was it before they went on break? Or after

[digital pond]

Oh you mean LGL

[clever wagon]

LGE

Dude holy crap get some sleep

[digital pond]

I knew LGL went on a break which I spoke off earlier in this channel

I don't think LGE had a break yet.

Not according to Jake on stream they've been scrimming consistantly

[clever wagon]

Holy shit

[pine star]

[digital pond]

v0v

Funnily enough my convo with Sulli right before was fine

[pine star]

#SeijaWasTheProblem

[digital pond]

We must build a R/OW stream team

Add a streamer title to the ranks

[pine star]

The Law Esports?

[digital pond]

LEggo

I just read the S4 thread on r/cow

[pine star]

I suck at OW tho

[digital pond]

And I couldn't help but laugh cause the dude avoided posting

The full explanation s4 gave to start drama

[pine star]

What thread?

[digital pond]

S4 got asked what was wrong with NRG and he said "Their supports sucked" But he was mid game. Post game while queue'ing he explained what he meant in more detail for a few minutes.

But the dude that started the thread only posted the "their supports suck" part as a clip

People had to link the explanation in the comments

[pine star]

lol

Drama

Link?

[digital pond]

But he basically said everything everyone thinks lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/69pwhi/surefour_was_just_asked_on_stream_about_what_is/

https://clips.twitch.tv/ClumsyOnerousElephantANELE

https://clips.twitch.tv/MotionlessWildSamosaSMOrc

Those are the in depth clips

[clever wagon]

Everything he said is valid

[pine star]

ZP's response tho

[clever wagon]

As usual, Reddit witch hunts

[digital pond]

Yeah, he was wrong about a few details on Ajax's tweet about it.

ZP's comment supported it really well.

[clever wagon]

We've seen what happened with Ohnickel

[digital pond]

Like he didn't just say "haha you're shit fuck you"

At least he tried to explain himself.

[clever wagon]

This artcore is just more majestic with my headphones

[digital pond]

Zp went in Sulli was surprised.

Especially the last sentence.

[pine star]

"I mean if we're being 100% honest? NRG relative to other orgs feels like they almost have infinite money. They've spent more than most other teams in the scene by multiple factors. So buying out other good players should be a key option here.

If LG Loyal members are on the table with the recent tryout of Ube, I don't see why you wouldn't put Hidan through his paces. Hidan has been an excellent support that's been held back by an inconsistent LG Loyal team over the last few months."

NRG Hidan

[toxic yacht]

NRG Shake

[digital pond]

LGL players are imo good but I think pieces don't always fit well because players are good.

I could see a lot of them do well in different teams.

[clever wagon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/69pwhi/surefour_was_just_asked_on_stream_about_what_is/dh8xu83/

[pine star]

But I mean

Even if they don't mesh well together

Hidan has far way better game sense than Dummy

[toxic yacht]

let's now be honest

[pine star]

That alone is an improvement

[toxic yacht]

everyone who acts like numlocked is worthless trash

probably has no idea what they are talking about

[digital pond]

Well the big thing is Hidan focuses a lot more on healing too.

[toxic yacht]

num was a really good tank

back before his NRG days

[clever wagon]

Damn r/cow even already has EG flair ready

[digital pond]

Num does what he can but I feel like healing is a core issue.

[pine star]

wild Sojum appears

[toxic yacht]

I have no idea wtf is wrong with him now

[digital pond]

No healing means plays look like shit

[toxic yacht]

but he definitely isn't a bad tank

[digital pond]

Cause there's charges he should have survived.

[pine star]

I know what's wrong with him

Dummy.

[toxic yacht]

he does a lot of stupid shatters though

[digital pond]

But the support from the team wasn't always there

[clever wagon]

Possible bad Rein-Ana co-op

We've seen the Ana

[toxic yacht]

like, dummy being unreliable is definitely part of it

[digital pond]

It could be bad com between them or people going with different plans.

[toxic yacht]

but num does a ton of stupid shit too

[digital pond]

I think the issue right now is.

A lot of them wanna make plays

Or at least it feels like it

Like they wanna force a play sometimes

[pine star]

"yes, you'll find this pattern among many pro teams. If there is a star rein who performs well consistently, he always has an excellent main healer. Cocco and Chips, Knoxxx and uNKoe, Miro and Ryujehong, etc."

This comment sums it up

Also, "Would explain why Numlocked hasn't performed. He is very aggressive and if you can't count on your ana then that really stresses your out, you keep dying and stress/tilt equals bad ults."

[digital pond]

But the NRG v C9 kinda showed that a lot of NRG isn't always on the same page sometimes.

Throughout the game.

[toxic yacht]

I also read that comment

but none of that excuses his shield shatters

are his one-man 20 hp 76 earthshatters

[digital pond]

To be fair

Knoxx also moved from support

[pine star]

lol

[digital pond]

And his Rein is also meh

[toxic yacht]

knoxxx

pls

knoxxx

[digital pond]

His winston is nice his rein not as good

[clever wagon]

Interesting

A lot of personnel has changed around Dummy; he's outlasted Gods, Pookz, Milo, Enigma, Clockwork, even Seagull on this squad! He has a completely different team around him than when he began under NRG, and yet... he's still always dead. I sort of wonder who decided grabbing the then-flex player for Liquid to play main support was a good idea in the first place. He was hired in the "Hey, he played TF2, let's try him!" era, and...I think he may have overstayed his welcome. :/ Shake or Hidan for NRG, please.```

[digital pond]

The two heroes aren't on the same level

[pine star]

We haven't really seen his Rein tbf

[digital pond]

It just feels like communication isssues really more than anything.

Or people having different ideas to execute the same plan.

[pine star]

#DummyIsTheProblem

[digital pond]

lol

I think part of it would just be changing his goal.

For example he seems very keen on fragging out he just needs to refocus it on just healing.

Cause he plays his ana more old school when you could 1v1 every dps and win.

And it's just not as important now as it was before.

Especially if you're playing with double tanks

You can charge a nano so fast

[clever wagon]

Did he perform better in 80 dps Ana days?

[digital pond]

And win faster than if you frag out

Don't think they played at all during 80 dps ana

I never watched MLG vegas so idk

[clever wagon]

NRG already started playing before Ana was nerfed... though?

[pine star]

Not really @clever wagon

[clever wagon]

Like a little while before Ana nerf

[digital pond]

They played MLG Vegas

I think she was out then

With 80 dps

[pine star]

She was

[digital pond]

Then they didn't play til recently

Ight

[pine star]

He still didn't perform so well

[clever wagon]

Ana nerf wasn't around until last month

But NRG uh... Wait

[toxic yacht]

they played with full blown overpowerd beyblade ana

lol

[pine star]

^

[clever wagon]

Should've just checked match history

[digital pond]

Yeah I never watched MLG vegas so I never knew

I just know they weren;t happy with it

[toxic yacht]

overwatch open

[digital pond]

And they looked for new players

[toxic yacht]

was right after ana's buffs

NRG was actually one of the first teams to run ana

[pine star]

NRG has always performed poorly

What's the only constant on the team?

[digital pond]

When they were LG before Tales left nV they were better

[pine star]

[digital pond]

Before Esper got booted

[pine star]

Hint: starts with D, ends with ummy

[digital pond]

But that as also the time of 8 second dragoinblade

And a lot fo pharahmercy

[pine star]

That's like three centuries ago lol

[digital pond]

Shhhh

Let me remember the good times

[vestal mortar]

I thought they were doing quite well and always seemed to be improving every match up until Gods and Pookz left

[toxic yacht]

^

[digital pond]

Gods was a big hit tot he roster

[toxic yacht]

they played lunatic hai

[digital pond]

The dude just picks up and learns shit

[toxic yacht]

much closer than they had any right to

[digital pond]

He's scary

[pine star]

wild Tara appears

[toxic yacht]

they actually looked like a solid squad

back then

[digital pond]

I love Gods and his bold head lmao

[clever wagon]

Ana 60 dmg -> March 21 http://overwatch.wikia.com/wiki/March_21,_2017

[toxic yacht]

*bald

[pine star]

Gods is life, Gods is love

[clever wagon]

1st new NRG match -> April OMM http://www.gosugamers.net/overwatch/events/658-overwatch-alienware-monthly-melee-april-2017

Welp

Ok

But that still means 2-3 weeks to adjust

[digital pond]

I'LL SAY BOLD IF I WANNA

[clever wagon]

REEEE

[digital pond]

^

I wonder how YGGP will survive though

Shake leaving was a decent hit.

Space*

[vestal mortar]

I am always here reading, just mostly quiet while I'm working in Uni 👀

[digital pond]

Tara just does what sojum does

She has screenshots saved of us

Ready to jump our throats if we fuck up

"I never said that"

[pine star]

👀

Tara creeping around

[digital pond]

Tara: OBJECTION -insert phoenix wright emote-

[clever wagon]

Gods living up to his ign

[vestal mortar]

You never know what I have up my sleeve 👀

[clever wagon]

Code to a nuclear warhead?

A hack that destroys more than Sombra could possibly do in her lifetime?

[pine star]

She has dirt on Dummy

[short vault]

is apex always at like 5-6AM

;-;

[vestal mortar]

11am for me 👌

[short vault]

feelsbadman

i don't think theres any way ill be able to watch it

[pine star]

Even if it was 11am I'd be at work still lol

There is a way

Watch the VODs

[vestal mortar]

^

[short vault]

i dont know why but theres something about watching it live thats 100x better

[pine star]

That's true