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I am not saying they should
And we're saying they won't just die if dive is nerf'ed
Because they practice other comp and are good players.
they won't just die, lmao
SoOn and aKm can basically run all hitscan heroes at a stupid high level
nico can play zarya
winz can keep sittign on the payload
Rogue's stall 
and knoxxx can also play rein
Unkoe already plays all supports but symmetra
And Knoxx said he plays Rein.
I know
unkoe is a zenyatta/ana god
Yeah ajax can play lucio too, numlocked can play rein and winston, iddqd can play tracer while mendo can play genji
Does it mean they are godly like rogue on dive?
@supple nymph I frankly think CLG is doing pretty well their holds have been actually pretty solid on defense for having Rogue dive them.
Shadowburn plays with 200
Yeah but NRG has nowhere near the same team cohesion and teamwork Rogue has
120 is easily playable
Like nowhere near
LULULUL
ROGUE SOMBRA
Sombra! ๐ฎ
lmao
Baguette trolling 
120 is playable easily
no it's not lmao

for you in ranked maybe
It gets stupid after 150
but it's fucking cancer for pros
sombra tank killer
SOMBRA โฅ
Okay lets switch mendo to seagull for example (cause it's not the point)
Are they godly at dive like rogue now?
???
5 v 6 and Rogue still winning 
Vace tilt spell
@toxic yacht Just watch the tournament with us man.
LOOK AT THIS
yee
Dive*
Damn the Sombra plays
Nico showing another hero
TIME
TO
WATCH
MY
BOIS
ROGUE
DOMINATE 
Not a one trick 


doesn't Sombra just makes sense in dive comps?

Omg clg
that's what winz gets for camping on the cart
She can work in Dive. Jake even said so.
It's just that Tracer does a similar job with ease.
My boi Winz having a shit while pushing the cart 
doubling down on the sombra
I like how Nico preps to go in and CLG dies too soon for him to EMP
this is historic
RIP
like rogue is doing
I think it would work better with Genji/Sombra imo

lmao
DEAD
i am
if you dont like Sombra gtfo
\o.o/
But but
rogue found the ultimate counter to their own strat
Sombra sucks
and is using it well
D:
G T F O @pine star
404 Error: Rogue didn't throw for having a sombra.
N E V A H
What is this.
she wouldn't work on every map, would she?
Rogue proving they can win 5v6 
yea
but koth tho
She also works on Anubis Point B really well.
coL did it before it was cool
Hooking without ammo 
sombra is insane on defense maps with high ground
oh yea
Yeah the tp buff was insane imo.
Sombra can be insane in Oasis University
It ups her fight time so hard.
sombra is my dad
all the healthpacks are easily accessible on holly 2nd so i can see why they went from genji to her
THE please
I heard seagull mains sombra is this true
so many boostios
hi rax :)
Boostio 
seagull is bad at sombra lol
sorry that was a trick question he actually mains her
I just wanted to test your knowledge
I saw him on sombra once, lol
The is clearly a Mercy Main
Like wdf
lmao
Yeah THE's Ana isn't the greatest
SoOn is actually tracer irl
Nah that's Grego
well, a trans tracer
He cosplayed yesterday
yee, I saw it
Pharmercy is bad on Holly defence
I'm surprised they haven't ran it either.
Last point at least
On attack I mean.
this they're is prob worse
Triple tankooo
They ran the same comp on attack
nice spectating lol
Which is weird to me but I guess they really respect aKm
Cause he could go McCree easily
yea
aKm never on McCree anymore 
I wish he'd go Cree more :/
but still
T_T

No mystery man skin 
they have been performing well with Pharmercy
SoOn 
a lot better than this imho
rip Rise
they got stomped w/o it
Hopefully rise does something
lul sure
could've risked it at least
CoL v CLG might be more exciting
@pine star wish you could push a button to auto-resolve and skip the rogue matches
see how it would do
lmfao
not as impressive as some of his other shit
@supple nymph I wish I could do that with a lot of other teams
SoOn's tracking 
but it's soOn
I mean, you go into a matchup scared of one players soldier/mccree
you prob lost already
Make your bets people. Vote 1โฃ for
, vote 2โฃ for 
What do you know.

The memes
someone should sneak up to him as sombra
Are so strong
and kill him when he's on the cart
i dont get it
tweeting
Everyone says he's always tweeting while on the cart
on the cart
And doing nothing
mid-game
he's been memeing about it for weeks now
is soldier and mccree that bad on the same comp?
McCree isn't too mobile.
They've improved
At least when you run dive.
McCree isnt that good
HE's situational
they improved
Most of them
What's left of C7
....
i see
well, FaZe clown is still FaZe clown
It has like 2 players from c7 or something
FaZe Clul
tfw Faze used to be one of my favourite teams

I was Faze TheSojum
so McCrre would actually need to do lil bit more damage to be more viable than soldier, right?
for a while
I still like me some SDB
Thats because you were a Genji main fanboy
I love how Rogue has a personnal fitness trainer who posts videos of them working out on tweeter.
She always posts videos of Winz lmao
She's cute
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McCree's issue is less damage
thirst /s
More mobility.
I wonder if will Optic have an OW team
lmao

sustain as well, i guess
Yup
atm 76 is just a straight upgrade to McCree
yea, i'd love to see more of him somehow
He's good against certain heroes and comps.
The only thing McCree has over 76 is a stun
But not all the time.
But that isn't enough at all
And I frankly think it's fine that he's good against certain situations.
optic may have a team at some point, not before OWL i can guess
Because you can't make every hero always viable
it kinda sucks that Soldier is so complete
Cree is cooler though :(
But he atleast has situations he can be picked
76 is boring af
Instead of limbo.
great ultimate, self heal, decent mobility, hitscan, rocket
Same
I thought they were?
hek
when they went into IMT vs Selfless
and they all had skinds
Rip Nightbot with all this !giveaway spam
I know APEX said they consider bringing up to blizzard allowing Skins
I really want blizzard to stop with that silly rule
"TOO CONFUSING FOR NEW PLAYERS"
they need to allow skins, the heroes are way too different for it to be even slightly confusing
pls blizz
Exactly Toy
is hitler
the official skin policy is basically "go ham"
just looking at a weapon you can tell what hero it is
it's pretty obvious
"Wow he shot a helix rocket i wonder who it is"
yea

if you're the kind of person who gets confused by skin
you probably won't watch ow eSports
I mean I get it if youre new
and you likely also have an IQ lower than your age
its like saying in csgo
@pine star that'd be awesome
but if youre new youre gonna be confused regardless
WHAT IS THIS LONG SNIPER
@balmy wolf I think the one thing people complained about was some hitbox being broken like Nutcracker Zenyatta but those issues are so far and few in between you can just band the specific skins and have a shit ton leftover.
THIS LONG BOLT ACTION SNIPER THAT PEOPLE ALWAYS QUICKSWAP OUT OF
I WONDER WHAT IT IS?!?!?
I cant even try to enter the giveaway
"THIS HERO ALSO SHOOTS DRAGON OUT OF A BOW? I THOUGHT ONLY HANZO DID":
they should allow at least golden guns
ik
TWOEASY
2easy was the problem
i said it earlier
I GET TO SEE MY BOI PLAY AGAIN
inb4 he now sucks
on a retarded ping though
holy fuck, twoeasy this meta
He's subbing for Hooey
TwoEasy tracer 
Hooey is LFT
he isnt on hog and dva
He announced it yesterdya
Yeah ik
Was more for everyone but you polo
RiP Rise Nation
oh
2 payload maps
.-.
lmao
oops
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But yeah Tempo usually bleeds players every 2 weeks
So it's not a surprise
They can't hold on to players.
And players who leave always trash talk them
I bet Rise are like
"Ok guys, atleast let's win a couple team fights"
Last time they made a swap the leaving players came to Dogman stream to tell him he was right about the org
And how they were glad they left
LOL
Rip rise
lmao
aKm LUL
aKm Pharah is back
Nvm
Like on day one
He's on meme mode
This is hilarious
Rise 
Omg this is nice
SoOn 
aKm playing his March Pharah
Was funny
But damn rogue is so fast in resetting
ZONING PHARAH BOYZ
He'll probably ult and switch
his pharah was so good for the last few weeks
Hopefully at least
Warning rockets 
lmao, nice blade nico
Genji mid air hit by an earthquake move
I actually think Rise is actually doing a good job shutting pharah down
zoning nanoblade and barrage

More than him just being shit
Damn rise isnt half bad
inb4 rise is the first team to beat rogue
how much have i missed of the rumble boyos
Retzi 
CLG vs Rogue @gentle shuttle
1 match @gentle shuttle
Rise vs Rogue on atm
WE SELFLESS NOW
^
Started like 2m ago
@balmy wolf @toxic yacht โค

this should be pretty hype
This match should be good
Solo visor 
Pretty fun game so far imo
Yeah rise is keeping up a bit
lel
how much

Winz tweeting
Time to watch my boy winz tweet on the cart
winz tweeting now
Well streets was uncontested after that teamfight
Watching nico miss shuriken instead of Midnight killing dudes
"Only dps can do damage that's why we spectate them"
uNKOE 
UNKOOOE
remember unkoe 1v1ing esca in APAC?
Holy fuck
Hooo weee
rogue stopped throwing
@worldly agate
lmao
uNKOE 1v1ing tracers on ana makes me wet
sojuken
Ok, since Rogue are apparently not gonna lose against anyone
They should at least bring some meme bm strats 
kek
nico sombra 
SOMBRARRR
Nico's Tracking is actually pretty fucking good

Rogue isn't running their best comp 
they are trying to make memes
soon with the bait
RISE IS A PROBLEM
Soon is so casual
REEEEEEE
lmao
lmao
NA Casters
Rogue defense 
Midnight is actually doing a lot of work.
my mans sucking Rogue as theyre losing the point
His Zarya is pretty fucking clean
rogue divefense
Rise doing their best Selfless impression
I really wish they gave Midnight more cam time
lol
every team looks good when attacking vs rogue
Damm son rise
I bet winz isn't tweeting now
The meat grinder
Rise comms is really good
inb4 rise are the first to beat rogue
No Rein, no safety from visor
Omg
Rise is the best team in NA?
NA caster
I think Rogue might go way farther than them in the next 2 rounds though.

Like push the payload farther

More than double Rogue's time
Yeah

Rise up! 
Rise is kinda slo

okay rogue
Lets go

don't throw this time
But they have enough time
Evil did too
Oh they did?
aaah yeah
January Melee
So third
Rise have managed to fend off against rogue until they got ults, I think rise might fully hold.
I know
REEE
OR... maybe Rogue realized their matches are somewhat boring and decided to give us some interesting stuff by purposefully throwing 
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there is no team more desrving to go to Korea than Rise Nation
Xretzi 
Gg
Knoxxx died before primal rage
Rise is fucking good


Zarya and soldier were on loint
rogue defenses are crap
Point*
I'm curious now
Yeah rip rogue
I mean, rogue will destroy them on gib
TIME
TO
WATCH
MY
BOYS
RISE
BEAT
THE
BEST
TEAM
NA 
gib is one of the best dive maps
This match is so awesome
Yes
lol, they won't lose lmao
lmao
They lost rounds before.
More importantly a fun match
lol Baaam most be so wet rn
Rofl
probably no more cheeky sombra strats
๐ฆ๐ฆ
^
lmao nico
Gg
rogue 
gg
Lmao
wows
They got a bye
now rogue is gonna stop fucking around
Yep
Yeah Rogue owns Gib
you don't fuck with a frenchman's pride
It doesnt seem that rogue is doing bad. Rise seems to start the fight and not wait for rogue to attack
no, rogue was throwing
I dunno soon was doing good
Every pulse bomb got a kil
Since it's been a while
gib is a 100% win for rogue
Damn
and lijiang tower
If Rise upsets this I'll laugh
Lmao plzx no
I think that they just pissed rogue off
His pharah triggers me again
I don't care who wins this match, it's been a good match
word
^
I love this match
I hope that it will stay a good match
I would love xretzi if he didn't participate in some of XQC's drama
Rise winning is a plus to me
I feel like rogue is going to fucking rape them right now
^
@Pleure#2719 did he?
I hope not
@pine star The one with the Korean team yeh. He came to spectate and typed in all chat "Lol we can all spectate so awesome"
I want a good match
Some shit to the type
I hope it's gonna be close like the first map
yeah, xretzi and rise nation
This is one of the best matches I have seen
Denial's 6 coaches
dat helix 
Img xretzi
Rise 
Rise 
Midnight is actually so good
Midnight and xer ARE FUCKING GOOD
Rogue are hungover confirmed
rip retzi
I wonder why unkoe isn't on ana
like, what determines what support he plays
Okay rise are on my radar now
They don't wanna run winz on Zenyatta cause of King's Row
Nico 
wtf was that sword lmao
And he didn't do enough
Lol what is this
there was no way that that was gonna get a kill
my god
This team
I only liked rise because they have ther only black OW player lmao
They are all so good
oh yeah, desro
Mhm
i have a hard time telling if Rogue is not playing at their best or if RN is playing fantastic
Same
Their support have yet to do something ground breaking
Wonder why midnight switched
It feels like It's half and half
Rogue half throwing
Rise playing well
Like Nico's blades feel so thrown
They want to shutdown akm with dva
But midnight and retzi are playing really well
More like midnight switched
Rise almost has 6 though
Yeah dva is for high ground
So hard
like how misfits completely ignored unfixed
winz was tweeting and died
Yeah rest in peace rogue
RISE 
The amount of memes that will come out of Phaz after this
This is gonna be a moral hit for Rogue pre APEX LOL
Sojum the jinxer
lmao, how do you even win this fight?
Rise is winning wth?!
Yup
rise had the ult advantage and rogue was trickling
I started watching Netflix because i thought it'd be a stomp
Midnight getting off Zarya = loss game.
yup, definitely stabilized
Midnight confirmed Rise Carry
what was I sayign?
Every cocky message makes soon die
Yeah they need midnight on zarya
Shut up sojum
Like I would get him swapping in hangar
lmao, yes
Kind of a throw
Cause it's iffy for Zarya
Probably to contest high ground
Due to high ground
but he didn't contest
But last point Zarya is fine
^
They dont have cover or anything for high ground
but man, rise is impressing me
They have genji too
spirit not on genji 
Dva contested genji and killed him
Well I just wanna point out quickly
I mean genji has a flanking high ground too
Rise is almost running Selfless comp
your target prioritization is kinda off
Much more dangerous than 76
in most cases
Which Knoxx said counters them
I feel like unkoe on ana would help a lot
Both are very close comps
I really wonder why unkoe isn't on ana
But he keeps running zen
soon ded lmao
It doesn't maatter really
^
Anyways thats the only explanation
They've shown they can do it before
Especially against selfless
It's not a necessity
Heals and nano are a lot better than discord right now
knoxxx throwing
Why else would they run zen?
^
I am just saying what they are trying tondo
They orginally like running Ana/Zen.
that nano lul
Nano ????
tanks feeding ๐คฆ
He did nothing during King's row
So they defaulted to Unkoe
Lol the hook bug fucked spirit
Nico should have been dead from the first hook
Its not a bug
well
Its just stupid
that was fucking hrhrhrhhr
Finally back to zarya....
It's a stupid unintended change
^^
anyone got the link
gg
I am talking about the new hook bug
Da lucio plays
PHAZ
lmao
C9 strats 
playing rein vs rogue
aw maaaaaaan
seems like cancer
Where you hook from highground they get hooked under ur crosshair
We know
kek
missed first game, what comp did rise run to beat rogue?
: (
Triple tank
Yeah switching off zarya was a throw
The issue was even less than that.
The swap could ahve been good
But he didn't contest the soldier like he was supposed to
Dva is too weak sadly
Wat
eh, dva is actually pretty strong
He cant be as aggressive
She's good right now especially against soldier
She's overly ran in Korea and most teams pick her against
Dafran
same with cree, koreans make cree and dva work
Because the shut down is SO important
Winston can jump to help soldier
Doesn't matter
And they will melt her
Dva isn't killing them
She there to take the damage away
She's there to stop soldier ult
She's there to take them out of the fight to not allow them to shoot
Matrix and chill.
She gets taken out though
dva either cucks soldier or cucks flankers
in korea you'll often see dva camping her supports
to deny tracers
Yeah thats seems really good
Kayuun actually looks like a 16 years old
they probably realized that they should focus spirit right the beginning
Yeah they need to be careful for his hooks
moonmoon subs
Here u go spirit
SoOn the hero
Did you see the dude that tattoo'ed his leg with the Widow Moonmoon emote Zoro?
wtf
Omg
SOOOOOOOON
SoOn 
The dude literally tatoo'ed himself
Also as a side note.
and does nothing wrong
Dafran's tracer is disgusting
but then soon happens
Soon carried that
Running Soldier into SoOn
http://i.imgur.com/VqsMrR7.jpg
They need to deal with the phara and soon's pulse bombs
yup, they're 100% focusing spirit
Matrix'ing the danger
They need dva
Yeah I'm always suprised to see him on it
LMFAO
3 team kills in a row
Wow
holy shit
There's like 7 seconds left might as well use all ults
this is ridiculous
Trying to out-burst transcendence 
Same map too
I actually never saw the old TSM play lel
you can outburst trans
I only knew they existed when they got sold
They need dva
but it was trans + harmony orb
To escort them
It was Code7 @Pleure#2719
Not with discord + Lucio
Yeah probs
Was it? I thoguht the TJO brothers were in tSM
Code7 = Harb coL
like, aKm should have died by all accounts
alright gotcha
They were with them for a week
and then got let go
lmao, spirit
nah, tsm was purely coL
Spirit channeling his inner Emongg
They picked up half of kungarna a few months ago
But they didn't reveal how much
But then kicked ajax because of that dumb twitter shit
lmao winz
So they only have b1am and Connorj
I don't know what the tweeter shit was but I see
Winz not afk 
Yeah this map isnt their map
Does TSM have half a team then?
1/3
mykl and babybay didn't get on because hax iirc
Gotcha
and ajax because of that one tweet
like, babybay got banned in the middle of a tournament
iRemix stayed with them
in csgo
and went to Splyce
Midnight is switching?
Classic casters
Caster not noticing :LUL:





