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Polo: selfless is the expected winners here?
Yeah definitely
Ye
rip stream
Rip
Have they not realized yet?
ugh
These tournaments
always have production problems
AMM
Carbon aswell

Oh yeah
and that one actually has funding
ughhh
@balmy wolf It's Twitch side, apparently
Yeah I saw that in the chat during a carbon outage too
It didnt last this long though
๐ We're investigating an issue preventing some channels from going or remaining live. ^DA
Well it's back
Oh good
Has there ever been any other city like Washington who took the initiative of bringing up NRG as their representative in other games?
This dive + 76 is really doing work
Are the 2cp changes still PTR only?
Yep
clockwork playing Overwatch? That's new to me
He was on NRG
i know
He was real bad on NRG
I mean after nrg
meta is more favorable to his playstyle now
I wonder if he still hates Overwatch 
as in, he can play only tracer all the time
Splyce is the tf2 team tho
inb4 Bani is B4nnys alt

you say they are the TF2 team, but I actually only recognize shrugger and clockwork
wtf is this spam
Has the stream been flaky since it came back for anyone else?
NRG are more of a TF2 team for me
Or is that just my crappy internet?
Fine for me
4 former TF2 players I know in NRG
Splyce has/had Shrugger, Moffitt, clockwork, ninjanick, syckness and pyyyour
had
not sure if others played tf2
now NRG has them beat as far as former TF2 glory goes

I'm still not used to zen's rc being viable. I need to practice
idk if that win was because the 76 dive aggression worked well against Selfless or that Gale is just less wank at 2cp
I think it was just Self< being bad at 2cp
which supports did selfless use to attack in 2cp?
Ana Lucio
the caster said it, against trickling zen is very good
I mean, it was 5-4, it was close, you're not gonna pin down a reason why it went one way or the other
galeforce getting cucked
Selfless Gaming vs Gale Force eSports - $15k Overwatch PIT Championship - NA Group Stage w/ @LD & - Clipped by polo__bear
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Also what a surprise
Self< dominating koth
rip
wasn't it ryujehong that said dealing with genji as Ana wasn't that much of a deal?
"just sleep them"
tfw i was typing that in here and he kills everyone
yeah lol
CLG's Pharmercy did quite a bit of work against Selfless
Well yeah
For jehong sleeps are no big deal
I will say this though
Clockwork is a nutty tracer
He's like SoOn
I'm not sure he's my favorite tracer though
Like, I'm liking Sinatra more this match
I haven't watched OW much since Tracer became viable again
I assume the good tracers are the good 76s from old meta
Surefour, Mendo, SoOn, Sinatraa, Saey
I'm sure there's a few more I'm not thinking of
Vallu and Enigma
Ye
imo at least
Like back when Reu was at their peak
Vallu's tracer was godlike
And then that LG game vs C9 I think?
Dont remember the other team
but the game still sticks out in my mind
of Engima hardcarrying the entire team
on tracer
If you're like flipflopping through the air as Genji and get slept, do you lose all horizontal momentum and drop straight down?
Surefour is one of my favorite hitscans, but I haven't watched his Tracer play much
so you will still follow the same path you would have if you jumped without moving in another direction
Ahh, okay.
โ @forest raven


uh isnt there supposed 2 be a match rn ๐ค
yep
Twitch has been having issues all day
yeah thought so
coL has another fucking player
I've never seen a team trial this many players
Team CarouseL
kek
they trust him enough to take one of the tjo brother's dps spots


Also it looks like they've definitely improved since Vegas
Yeah for sure
Team convoLuted
I'm simply not convinced they can be a top team with this core even if Shake is special
yeah rip col
Just realized, it's PIT isn't it
Ye
That fight lmao
That visor whut
So team convoLuted's core is down to 3, the TJO's and Joemeister?
Shake
They lost jkw and harb
I somehow don't remember Shake oh well

I'm probably late to the party, but this stage looks legit af
http://i.imgur.com/GJVtIH8h.jpg
Is that the China tourney?
Taiwan*
Time for new tryouts for team convoLuted
I should tryout for coL ๐ค
i should tryout for a pro team
as their mascot
also i heard on the radio that blizzard built some sort of stadium for the asia pacific tournament in taiwan
currently living in taiwan
im a bronze so ill prob get into coL
It's a nice conference room tho
That rez sure did something
orisa ๐
Who's playing rn??
LGE CLG
https://clips.twitch.tv/PreciousFineSandpiperPhilosoraptor Train is bullying The all round
LG.Evil vs CLG - $15k Overwatch PIT Championship - NA Group Stage w/ @LD & @jamerson - Clipped by planet_shaper
Don't see what's to be confused about in KOTH though
eat my- eat my- eat my-
i love that hydration keeps out-justicing the justice
Train just went cold on The after the Village map
Then again, LGE is probably trialing dive comp
What the fuck
Voll on Genji????
ikr

AIRSHOTTT
Train's also outclassing Waffle on Tracer
YEEE BOI PULSE BOMB ON POINT
Voll's doing pretty neat on Genji actually

dat rez
Avast and Rob's support clutch 
what the
still waiting for overlay fix

"Was a 1v1 smh"
damn
It happened
True story
Voll was on Soldier even
Not Train, not Jake
And Super only went Rein on their last point Hollywood defense
And Voll of all people was on Genji
What's next? Avast on McCree while Jake's on Rein?
It seems that they were using that match to do a shit ton of rotations/role swaps
Who knows tbh
And...
lol using CLG as test subject 
Oh, also absolute 0 Roadhog pick from LGE
You should
Just the almost alien role swaps by LGE alone is worth it
0 Roadhog and Zarya pick
Train didn't switch off Tracer the whole game
What was Rob on then? Mercy and Zen?
yeah
Don't you fucking tell me he was on reaper or something
I think he did in an Anubis last point defense in like Carbon or OMM
Lul
Not this match
What is the world coming to
@solid spear idd's in Canada and Numlocked is gonna be in LA in like 4/5 days
Same
Ye
they should
That's the 15/16th
^
Well, NRG aren't going to go through the qualifiers
You think EnVy and C9 will play on it?
They need to play in something ffs
Who will win today? LWB or MA?
3-2 LWB
MA has the skill to play against powerful dive teams as seen in their series against Lunatic-Hai, so I'd expect them to be able to take 2 maps against LWB as well
when's the next matches
Four hours
fucc
In 4 hours
ill just hope someone uploads it
I don't know their players except for a Sayaplayer and Hoon
i mean i know their names
@pearl aurora The pins has a link to the vods for APEX
Libero is the Hanzo/Mei player for MA.
Libero's a great flex player, but his strength lies in his ability to flex
His Hanzo is actually pretty nasty.
Besides Hanzo and Mei, he's kinda weak, imo
Like it's pretty silly.
Yeh.
He's heavily focused on those two.
But the thing with them is aside from the tanks they can swap a lot around.
I don't believe so
It hurts MA chances to win ๐ฆ
Pretty sure they're on the patch before Orisa
How much longer till it starts?
About an hour @balmy wolf
rip
Is there a lot of money on the line or does this not matter at all?
3rd gets US$10k and 4th gets US$6.8k
runaway are selling their pink jumpers! XD
Any interesting games today?
LW Blue vs Meta Athena
Oh, nice. When is that going to be?
Thanks!
you are welcome! ๐
rdy

It's now
morning all
Morning
Mornin
READY for a GG!!!\
Hoping for not a 3-0 this time
Haven't had a 3-0 since quarters
Yea for sure. Want to see a 3-2
I am not ready for this tourney to be over. Excited to see who wins, but many this has been such a blast watching these games.
3-2 are better than 3-0
What was that Mei wall in the clip?
Also, I assume I missed the grand finals. Who took it?
Oh. Rad.
Janus is out right?
Poor guy :/
Yeah
why?
Who knows
I get it
DoA or Monte said that he was primarily a Rein player, did some Winston
Yea he is a sick Rein
Flow3r Overrated Janus' Lung Deflated Luna Outdated LW Blue CYA Later
toxicity already started smh
Wow
EATEN
Yea that was awesome
Oh man. That guy on LW Blue rockin the athletic tape!
Flow3r's wrist is kinda borked atm
Is that who it was?
So many wrist problems lately :C


Three reverse (near) full holds. Wow.
Also, @forest raven Did you happen to see the Mei wall on Dorado that was highlighted in the player intros?
Pretty close yeah
What was it? The clip didn't give it context.
Hope we see more cool routes like that. MA think outside the box.
I get it
anyone know what happened to janus?
MA were attacking first on Dorado, they went around the left flank, used Mei to wall up most of the team onto the roof of the flank, slid over it to the back of first, rushed Lunatic-Hai on the defence while Sayaplayer pincered them on the high ground before the choke on McCree
Collapsed lung
Lunatic-Hai fell back past the archway on first when MA pulled off the flank
So Sayaplayer had free reign
Huh. I'll need to figure out where that wall placement was. Seems like one of those valuable ones.
@dusty surge When you go past the archway on Dorado first and go left, there's that long hallway, as the attacker if you go that route, there's a healthpack up there
They walled up just outside the long hallway
Past the archway? Do... ahh, thank you.
Okay, that's where I thought it was initially. Far more situational than I was hoping. :(
Also looks like it required the speed boost to clear the window.
wow full hold
I'm pretty sure you can get up without it but the problem it's really only beneficial if you can bring most of your team over
They needed that after they got held in streets.
The thing I don't like about it is how visible you are getting into that spot as an attacker. It'll be hard to catch the defenders completely by surprise.
yeah you can't genuinely sneak around like that
I think the only real benefit is the confusion for the enemy team
Yeah. When I saw the highlight I was super hopeful. Oh well. :)
I feel like a big thing that flank accomplished was pushing Lunatic-Hai back
They went all the way past archway and got caught out by Saya on the high ground
but wouldn't going through the hallway underneath just accomplish the same thing without the same level of surprise?
Not necessarily, going through the hallway would mean Lunatic-Hai would know exactly where Meta Athena is coming from
Going over the roof disorients Lunatic-Hai because it's something that's never been done before
The advantage of being pioneers

ahhhh 2cp time
Did MA lose map 2?
Oh boy
nice shot
Saebyeolbe having a crisis
Saya is fuckin poppin off
lol I imagine we'll have a new emote for that face soon.
drawnubis???
lmao this delay
2cp lol
Play 10 minutes for only the last 1 to matter.
nice
LH just held theirs
Use ults 1 by 1
MA drops multiple ults at once and even to the extent of being trigger happy
Just realized MA is a 7-people roster
and lw blue ? wheres janus
Collapsed lung
Right
I was taking a nap before the match
I think I had a dream I was playing Mei and was just freezing people over and planting them ice spikes in their head
And having so much fun doing it
What the fuck
kek
This needs to continue happening so people won't fucking throw when I play Mei on attack.
lol
I think my satisfaction hearing DINGs and huge red critical hit marks playing Widow in real life carried over
But for some reason I picked Mei in my dream
Yeah. :(
I wouldn't tho ๐
The one thing I'm surprised about is we haven't seen the grav+blizzard combo considering both teams are running Zarya and Mei.
LOL HOON
Oooh! Hoon!
Bo5?
He was seriously gonna do it if Meko didn
Yeah
't self destruct in time
Indeed
That could really flip LWB to shit
Thanks, Doa. :P
rip MA
gg

Fell apart from that last fight for point 2 on. :(
Saebyeolbe is so happy lul

@pine star Hoon did with his Grav
It's really apparent by this point, MA's issues with ult management
Throw it at DM? Solo ulted Lucio? Did not use it for 5 minutes?
Solo ulted a Winston

It happened in the EXACT SAME manner as the Dorado LH attack last point
Wait
Uhh
Defense I think?
When he ulted Miro being alone and ended up wasting grav
I think it was LH defense actually
Rip
'Cause I remember saying Hoon could've just saved the grav and throw it right at LH spawn door
Oh well
Which makes it yes, it's the almost exact same manner
Hoon's got a personal vendetta with Winston picks 
They still went a long way considering they're rookies coming out of relegations
I have fate in them
oh crap i missed it
rip
Not really
Pretty close actually
Not a bad match
Of course it's gonna be short though, it's just 1 match
So, what sauce goes best for my Lucio in comp? Bechamel, or more of a Hollandaise?

Someone hasn't noticed the server changes yet, huh? lol
oh man already a grav eaten
Wait
April fools prank, I'd say, Quinton.
What server changes?
But it's not april
^
And roasts it at 180ยฐ in the oven for 45 minutes.
more like the early chef cooks the bird at 180ยฐ for 45 minutes
wtf is happening
we are cooking
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
I'd suggest freezing it in Mei's ult for 5 minutes.
not pizza... you can eat pizza cold
im a profeshooler chef c:
no spoilers, but does Libero end up playing hanzo at all
Wait what the fuck is happening to this discord server?
april fools
wat
It's not April first yet.
yea iunno
Never too early for a good meal.
lmao
lets just roll with it
The pizza server icon is ๐
Right, just Pizzaroll with it.
@steel ridge some people are in the future
I miss the Great British Bake Off
In my country the April fools day is on December the 28th
And it's called dรญa de los inocentes
So rip me
I always fall for stuff because i forget in other countries is on April lol
My mom is a professional chef
kinda a stretch, but does anyone know the first tourney misfits and rogue played in after the big trade
LW Blue just capped point A on Numbani with only one sous chef

What the fuck am I seeing?
Gas grills are OP. No way to compete with coal when you need it asap.
The greatest cooking show you have ever seen
I just alt+tabbed and it's like I've suddenly been teleported to another dimension entirely
No, not dimension. The food channel.
April fools?
people are hungry
Also, there's enough salt and spice going around for a whole army, so why not.
Welp, kinda figured that one but you'd think they'd do it right when most of the world reached April 1
We Overcook chefs need to be one step ahead. We always start early.
never too early to meme, i guess
Who is your favourite professional chef?
None
DON'T FORGET TO PICK UP MY NEW COOKBOOK SO YOU TOO CAN BECOME A PRO COOK
lmao!
Or I'll say fuck it and pick Yukihira Souma being true to my weeb roots
I'd laugh if we end up boosting Jaime's cookbook sales.
directions unclear. already bought 5 copies
If you could pick a meal to be your ult, which one is it and why?
I have a different career path than being a chef and feel like this would help me more http://i.imgur.com/jGhLikc.png
(Also trust me I'm one of the most unfun PoS you can find in ocassions like these)
Who do you main in Overwatch @forest raven ๐ณ
Ana, aka Chef Elzar. Because her ult BAM! Knocked it up a notch
we used to have Panda Pops at our high school. Then Jamie Oliver happened
then...no more Panda Pops. 
Why is there no Gordon muthafucking Ramsay here though
He has been before.
there is
Maybe went off.
Who
yee
Well.,... Who?.... Gordon Ramsey ofc.
Who would Gordon Ramsey main? Reinhardt?
Although he would be offended by him being categorized as "Sous Chef"
Dva of course. he eats all his stuff, because tasting is important as a chef

Not Mei?
How 'bout your NERF THIS CHICKEN. IT'S RAW. RAW.
Yes!
Youwant the filletnah mate no fillet, that'snothin good
WHAT YOU NEED
Is thesurloin

pastah
I think Gordan ramsy is the best genji main
Gordon Ramsay =/= Doomfist
Doomfist = Action Bronson?
@violet schooner lmfao
Nah, Action is a solid Roadhog.
Man, I love this stuff. I just turned my own Discord into Hogwarts.
Totally stole that idea.
yo whos dick i gotta blow to get trusted ?
Hi everyone, it isn't april fools where I live right now, so y'all get an actually serious Meta Report this week, just posted:
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let me know what you think in the comments! I won't be able to respond very quickly today since i'm in an all-day meeting this week at work
Hey Reddit, CaptainPlanet here! I sometimes write about Overwatch. Here's some pre-report housekeeping...

Mamma mia, that's a spicy meatball @frank frigate
@balmy wolf Jeffs
How much salt for a pizza?
Yeee boi @frank frigate Jake for new Around the Watch hype thanks for bringing him in
Is he back from Spring break yet?
Huh
any professinal cooks here?
@waxen root
Am I following April Fools yet
sup
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This is the first time ive actually wanted some team apparel
@limber pine Another round for me

curse you gadget
since when ld from beyondthesummit casting overwatch tournaments?
who?
what tourney did he cast
Yeh I was surprised he casted Selfless v GFE too
I think Beyond the Summit wants to expand probably from Dota 2.
They're already pretty big there.
1hp hp lmao
I mean for him he's new to the scene, last I watched Dota 2 he was pretty good.
But it's a much slower game.
So it's not exactly similar to cast.
so they're all free but they get these guys instead
Thing is
If we just keep the same guys busy, others will never have a chance to improve
Agreed.
I mean it's his first time casting a game that goes 5 times faster than Dota 2.
And has less information to shuffle through.
I really don't mind seen new faces for this small online tournaments
idc honestly, all the casters we got for the open and atlantic showdown are great
So it could be worth.
just stick to them casting
Worse*
I never really care enough about the cast if we're very frank.
Unless is Doa and Monte cause they can be funny.
They will not always be available
If we don't allow talent to develop, it'll be much harder to accept new faces when the scene is bigger
Uber and JKap have been saying on twitter for ages that they want to cast something
They casted the melee last month so thats good
But theres so much they could cast atm
IT's also down to organizers.
If a pair becomes the mandatory they get priority.
They get monopoly.
They get to ask for more money.
IT's what happened earlier with Dota 2 before more place got casters.
And price maybe
Tobi had monopoly.
Yeah exactly
Hoon is actually insanely scary.
Watching his morning's replays.
His Zarya is just disgusting.
need more caster
so far i only like monte doa zp mitch
nah i dont want tobiwan on overwatch
A lot of the other casters are newer to casting or the scene.
No one asked for Tobi.
We're talking about monopoly issues from early dota.
And the problem is
Where Tobiwan had his pick of the tournaments.
odpixel would be great though
And was monopolizing the money.
Because of his popularity.
And organizers are probably trying to avoid a similar situation by giving more people chances to cast.
And thus learn.
i see
People saying the new casters suck and bitching on chat just scare them away from the scene
I love Doa and Monte since League, just we def need more people in general.
Esp if OW gets bigger.
bts is a good studio,i really like this expansion
Same reason league has different people cast during the LCS season.
it could helps ow to grow
Yeah they've been my favorite for Dota 2 for a while.
I do wish we had a caster/replay/spectate system similar to Dota 2.
God would it be godly.
yeah
my dream of pro ow tournament is no mkre mirror pick
everyone use different heroes
*more
I mean there's always a bit of a meta in most games. The hero pool is big but not Moba big. Would also require more similar heroes.
Balancing can be such a pain in a fast paced game.
But it would be nice if we reach that point one day.
I do like that they're a bit more careful with heroes.
yeah more heroes
Yeh would be a good number.
make it even worse
can start considering to use captain' draft for tournament
That wont happen
Meh I think banning heroes is a bad move with this game.
I agree
It's too based around swapping to have a system like that fit.
Banning is terrible when theres this many characters
That too.
Its a lot more fun when they're all free
It would limit comps even more than currently.
If things get banned there won't be more.
I want map draft back ;-;
There will be worse games to watch.
There's also not enougyh heroes that work similarly.
Like it works in Dota because there's MORE heroes. In addition there's scaling, late game and Items to allow heroes to do similar jobs.
It's pretty set in OW.
"Oh Slark has a slightly slow early game maybe? Well in 20 minutes I have items + stats and I crap on you like a Phantom Assassing"
why most tournament disable the skin?
I believe initially it was for Clarity.
APEX said they'll look at allowing them next season afaik.
Oh shit really?
Yeah, it's not definitive but they'll think about it.
Lets go champ
I want the AMM to allow skins
Need to see my boy aKm rocking Mystery Man
Haha would be cool
If anyone wants to be top 500 ps4 or just overall higher message me
Dont advertise boosting
Hmm mods got hungry?
Orisa's Supercharger
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/62g3oo/orisas_supercharger_its_all_in_the_name/
Snizzle is a monster
Yeah man
was there a ps4 tournament today?
No idea tbh
OMM allowed skins before February :/
Also Blizz could've used proper cushion seats for their "E-stadium" at the very least
https://www.twitch.tv/brasilgamecup live now (at 2 FPS)
Yeah it did, but then the Blizzard rules came in
@clever wagon
What's everyone's sr
Also BetterDiscord stopped work-- shit
Not the channel @sand trench
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFO5GbSjfGo Apparently this exists
Are you a pro chef
Any pro chefs here to teach me?
What kind of meal is an esport? 
Competitive meal
Another round to you @limber pine
Is there time to go get something to eat?
Probably
I love how all Lucio highlights on Apex is of him stalling Anubis point B lul
LGE getting fullheld by Rise Nation

I'm a master chef


lol the gfuel spam
How the hell did that happen?
I'm not even sure if LGE are throwing or RN are just steping up their game
i mean
Admins just need to be consistent
Shit like that happens all the time in esports for some reason
Kirby just brought up the fact they had to bring in the sub
wasnt blaming the loss on that
or else he would have included it at the end
I know as i said they didnt blame it on that
Which i appreciate
I wouldn't have posted the link if i completely disagreed with whats written lol
It's a shitty situation for sure, but theres nothing we can do about that, and im not sure what u want me t osay when u say u wanted to see them in playoffs
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
i was just stating that i wanted to see them in the playoffs
not asking for an answer from you like "yeah sorry we didnt throw" or something lol
๐
theyre a strong team... i mean they beat us on lan
i think our group couldve gone either way
honestly everyone couldve advanced out of playoffs
3 primal rages on a single fight holy shit
THIS IS ART
gale force are being like, quick play bullied
SPAWNCAMPING
CLG taking some pages from the Selfless playbook
this is fucking hilarious
these matches are fun, but damn, even I can see the difference in quality from Apex
Troo
yeah quality isnt gr8 but eh
Hooking a full health pocketed nano Soldier 
April 8th
oh cool, I'll be back home by then
9am GMT
damn that's early
Apex is always early
yeah, but during weekdays I just watch it at uni
on saturday morinings I want to sleep
My vacations start on April 7th 
FeelsGoodMan
lol Miso emotes
He's such a weeaboo
I like him
2cp is love. 2cp is life
6-5 inc
quick question: what happened to "Pharah is useless, she just gets shot down by McCree, Soldier and Ana"?
a combination of things?
soldier spread, mcree not really meta?
Both of those things
Also she was buffed during tank meta
But she couldn't do much back then
and now there aren't as many tanks and she can shine, makes sense
McCree just fell off because 76 was and continues to be better in every way
And even with Zen seeing a lot more play, Pharah and Pharmercy are on the rise
how so?
what do you mean
orb on pharah
as in, zen takes ana's place?
heroes literally never dies
and he's less efficient than her at shooting pharah down?
pharah gets 100 heals per second
no, I was saying even with Zen seeing more play pharah and pharmercy are on the rise
with orb and mercy
ah, zen on your team
because with Zen Pharah should be played less
because of discord
but they're still on the rise
oh, i missed the "even"
and yeah Zen is taking Ana's place in Dive comps
Because a lot of Ana players are also their teams Zen
Zen was still better imo
at least back when 76 could deal with her a lot easier
just toss a discord and she's basically dead
mercy or not
and now with her needing 4 shots zen is definitely better
wait did they cap?
Yes
nope
I mean
i'm confused
anyway, CLG is the better team
C'mon
gale force honestly look like a pickup group
like a non premade group of grand masters
lol










