esports-discussion

[onyx hull]

throwing

[digital pond]

If they get reversed sweep here Imma be SO tilted.

[forest raven]

Selfless can't into killing Pharmercy

[digital pond]

They always struggle against pharah mercy man.

[forest raven]

They only have one dedicated hitscan

[digital pond]

Fuck those hooks are really saving the day.

[clever wagon]

Seems like Selfless didn't expect LGE running 2-2-2 Dive

[digital pond]

Nope.

And my thing is it's kinda like nV where selfless has 2 hitscan dps.

[spring lintel]

Damn that kobe

[digital pond]

Sinatraa is gonna be so tilted.

Dude Emongg is saving these engagements.

[forest raven]

Emongg is so clutch when he isn't being dinked by SoOn

And even then he was getting pick after pick

[digital pond]

Makes me so sad cause he's gonna be so Emo after tonight.

He's so critical of himself it sometimes feels like self-abuse.

[forest raven]

Emongg?

[digital pond]

Yeh.

[forest raven]

Watching his streams he seems as positive as Harb

[digital pond]

He doesn't talk about tournaments much on stream.

But he's super critical of his gameplay.

[onyx hull]

he's doing amazing, i don't think anyone will blame his performance if they lose

[digital pond]

Usually no one does, he just blames himself hard sometimes.

I think frankly for not swapping comp and what they had he did fantastic.

[onyx hull]

jake trying to ult the nanoed soldier again :/

[clever wagon]

Nice

Selfless looking kinda helpless against LGE dive this round

Keep this up LGE

[digital pond]

Nice fucking Grav.

Maybe no soudn abrrier, but no genji lol

ffs.

[onyx hull]

time to see my boy selfless get reverse swept again

[clever wagon]

Voll setting up a punching bag for angry ape

[digital pond]

Plz no.

[forest raven]

REKT

[digital pond]

LOL

[onyx hull]

aw that ult was great

[digital pond]

Man I never wanna play against Dafran that just seems painful.

[forest raven]

He is legitimately on par with Harryhook

[digital pond]

Jake can finally sleep.

[onyx hull]

he really loves dafran

[digital pond]

Voll got eating lol.

eaten*

[onyx hull]

jaaaaaaaake

[spring lintel]

Jake was carrying

[clever wagon]

Hard

[onyx hull]

he did make some crucial mistakes that screwed some pushes

[digital pond]

I think jake was too focused on Dafran while they had Train on D.Va

Like DM felt like it only came in play when Dafran ulted.

[spring lintel]

They wouldny have won nepal without jake

[digital pond]

Which is a good, but yeh.

[spring lintel]

Dafran was shutting down their whole team

[forest raven]

Third place, not bad, considering the calibre of Selfless and Rogue

[digital pond]

I'm not saying let Dafran do what he wants.

I'm saying that I expected more pressure from Train specifically. Instead of just Jake yolo'ing his PC at Dafran's face.

[forest raven]

Selfless played around Jake's dragonblades really well

[onyx hull]

maybe train was too focused on emongg hooks, idk

[spring lintel]

Yeah Dva get instantly fukd by emo

One shot

[forest raven]

Whether it was Emongg with the hook, Michael with the sleep, or Michael nano'ing Dafran and Dafran going DaHam

[digital pond]

Lmao

DaHam

[onyx hull]

anyway i'm glad i will get to sleep earier

expected more jkap

[forest raven]

Not enough JKap

Or Uber

🇦🇺

[balmy wolf]

Oh right

1 Map advantage because they wont he Winners Final

[forest raven]

Yee

[spring lintel]

When will the final be?

[balmy wolf]

D FRAN

[spring lintel]

Now?

[balmy wolf]

Yes

Started 2 minutes ago

[forest raven]

TIME FOR DAFRAN TO GO DAHAM

[onyx hull]

dive not diving :/

[spring lintel]

It feels like dafran is carrying

Which is boring

Thats why I like rogue better

[onyx hull]

he and emongg are doing most of the work

lol

oh boy that orb

[spring lintel]

If dafran dies then rogue can push

Simple

[balmy wolf]

Kill Dafran = Win

[spring lintel]

Exactly

[onyx hull]

denied

[spring lintel]

Wot

2 ult denies

[balmy wolf]

Damn

[onyx hull]

wowoooowwwww

[balmy wolf]

NiCO just got back and almost had another blade

[onyx hull]

👨‍❤️‍👨

[balmy wolf]

lul wtf

🍍

[onyx hull]

noooooo

[spring lintel]

They can do it dfran is dead

[balmy wolf]

Selfless is nothing with Dafran and Emongg

[onyx hull]

k time to focus

[spring lintel]

Wait this is the second map?

[balmy wolf]

No, Rogue got 1 map advantage for winning the Winners Final

[spring lintel]

Oh

[onyx hull]

rip.

oh.

[balmy wolf]

Nanomonkey inc

[spring lintel]

Nico the hero

[balmy wolf]

nico dead guaranteed

[spring lintel]

Ofc dafran

It's always him

[balmy wolf]

jfc

That fight

[forest raven]

THE CHOKE

EMONGG

[spring lintel]

OMG

[forest raven]

NOOOO

[balmy wolf]

was fucking crazy

[spring lintel]

This is intense

[forest raven]

EMONGG

[onyx hull]

holy shit

[spring lintel]

YAAAS

[balmy wolf]

E M N G G

[forest raven]

Selfless lost that map because Emongg missed a right click on a stunned Ana

[onyx hull]

crazy how a tiny thing loses the whole map

[balmy wolf]

http://i.imgur.com/CtqnoY3.png

lol

[onyx hull]

hair looks like a lace, cute

[balmy wolf]

Slasher still an EU fanboy

uNKOE on Ana

[onyx hull]

lol

emongg redeeming himself

[balmy wolf]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FrigidTrustworthyTroutKippa

[spring lintel]

Shutdown dafran and emo

You win easy

[onyx hull]

6 ult fight

oh my god they popped everything?

[balmy wolf]

SoOn at 60%

Lul

ArHaN?

Is that you?

[onyx hull]

pffff

[balmy wolf]

Dude wtf

[onyx hull]

sloppy

akm ulted on a really bad place

[digital pond]

I really miss the early days where people swapped around a bit more often.

And things were a bit less centered aside from Rein.

[onyx hull]

rip dream

[digital pond]

Lmao Unkoe

[spring lintel]

The new update is gonna make things interesting, and I hate how they are playing the same maps for all the tournament

It's boring

[balmy wolf]

Blame Blizzard

[spring lintel]

Why

[onyx hull]

2cp is boring, guess everyone just hates anubis less than the others

[forest raven]

I feel like uNKOE tilts just from playing Mercy

[spring lintel]

They alll have equal chances of winning

[digital pond]

I would too lmao.

[spring lintel]

Yeah playing mercy sucks

[wintry matrix]

The fixed map pool is for specific maps? or just map types?

[forest raven]

Map types

[digital pond]

2CP is just boring from a spectator point of view. Right now the meme'ing is keeping it ok.

[balmy wolf]

Fixed map pool is for specifc maps

[digital pond]

We used to see wAY more hanamura too.

[spring lintel]

What about drado

[digital pond]

I do miss seeing Dorado.

[spring lintel]

Is it bad too?

[digital pond]

It got played a lot during Mercy meta.

Like

A LOT

[onyx hull]

tfw unkoe is being wasted on braindead mercy gameplay

[digital pond]

APEX seems to be getting a lot more map diversity too.

It just seems like maybe teams pick specific maps and it just ends up being the most practiced maps.

And then the cycle continues.

[spring lintel]

Koreans get used to stuff instead of bitching about them

[onyx hull]

i can't remember seeing route 66

[forest raven]

SoOn uses pulse bomb

[digital pond]

KRs just play most maps and map types.

[spring lintel]

I think 2CP can be very fun

[balmy wolf]

We've been seeing a lot of the same maps since fixed map pools

[forest raven]

Five seconds later he has 30% ult

xd

[digital pond]

It's obvious NA teams have preffered modes they play the most.

[balmy wolf]

It sucks but we cant do anything

[spring lintel]

And is intense

[balmy wolf]

[digital pond]

So how does the fixed map pool work exactly polo.

[forest raven]

There have been fixed map pools since Blizzcon and NA teams are still wank at 2cp

[balmy wolf]

[digital pond]

Iono.

[spring lintel]

[digital pond]

I saw more numbani from APEX

And other maps.

And it made me happy.

[spring lintel]

They only have like 3 maps on this shit

[digital pond]

That's lame.

Why?

[spring lintel]

Yeah

I am so tired of this crap

Watching the same thing

[forest raven]

For OMM it goes hybrid, 2cp, koth, payload, hybrid

[digital pond]

That's a lame order imo.

I would rather watch Eichenwalde twice in a row than this.

[onyx hull]

hollywood, anubis, nepal, dorado, maybe enchenwalde

always

[spring lintel]

Yeah me too anem

[balmy wolf]

I'd rather no fixed map pools at all

[digital pond]

That too.

[forest raven]

APEX is koth, hybrid, 2cp, payload, hybrid

[spring lintel]

I wanna see dorado

[digital pond]

It feels silly to have a map ban phase if you're just gonna have map pools/types limitations.

APEX's order is much better.

At least.

[forest raven]

2cp should be the fourth map

So if it's a 3-0 no 2cp is played

[onyx hull]

i'm okay with it being the third

[digital pond]

Third at the very least.

[spring lintel]

Why not allow teams to choose their maps

[balmy wolf]

Because blizzard are idiots

[forest raven]

^

[digital pond]

I guess they want all the game modes seen for publicity.

[spring lintel]

Why?

[digital pond]

Blizzard style.

[spring lintel]

Oh

[digital pond]

"Look at all our diverse game modes"

[solid spear]

I remember the map draft days

[forest raven]

"2cp is a good gametype, people just haven't figured it out yet"

[spring lintel]

So blizzard are forcing tourneys to do this?

Wtfv

[digital pond]

I rather just have teams pick shit.

[onyx hull]

if you give complete choice to the players they will just pick king's row forever

[solid spear]

That's not true

[digital pond]

Well they could make it a one pick at a time.

[forest raven]

I mean we have a fixed map pool here and now we just get ANubis forever

[digital pond]

IMT is actually very favoring of Dorado.

[forest raven]

I'd rather King's Row forever over Anubis forever

[digital pond]

They do really well there.

[solid spear]

Literally every series is Anubis and Nepal

It's boring

[spring lintel]

Kings row is much more fun

[solid spear]

Same thing in Carbon

[spring lintel]

No way

Really?

[onyx hull]

remember ilios ?

[spring lintel]

Fuk this

[forest raven]

Ilios is bad, tho

[digital pond]

Like when was the last time Numbani was played?

[solid spear]

Feel like i havnet seen Lijuang in 15 years

[onyx hull]

it's clusterfuck-y, i like it

[balmy wolf]

I cant remember the last time I saw Dorado played outside of Apex

[spring lintel]

Why is illios bad?

[digital pond]

Last time IMT faced RNG

They played Dorado.

When they beat them 3-0 or some shit.

[spring lintel]

God nepal shit again

Soldiers will be flanking and ahit

[solid spear]

Dorado, Lijaung, Numbani, 66, oasis good maps they straight up don't get played anymore

[forest raven]

Last week of OCS group matches starts tomorrow (finally)

[spring lintel]

Everyone is going to be to the stairs

Sigh boring

[onyx hull]

nepal was fun on apex with libero on hanzo

[solid spear]

Cuz we have to have Nepal and Anubis every series

[digital pond]

Numbani and Oasis see play in APEX at least.

[forest raven]

Those maps are played in APEX @solid spear

[solid spear]

I know

[wintry matrix]

just to be clear, the reason we're seeing so much Nepal is because the teams aren't choosing other KOTH maps?

[digital pond]

But like all it means is.

Stay up/wake up for 5 am.

[forest raven]

Yes @wintry matrix

[solid spear]

Apex has better variety

[spring lintel]

I am okay with literally anything other than nepal hollywood and anubis

[digital pond]

Toi watch different maps.

[solid spear]

Overall

[balmy wolf]

NiCO needs to stop doing that

[wintry matrix]

well, that's a argument against team map draft

[solid spear]

Hell I've even seen Volskaya at Apex

[digital pond]

Lost ult this time.

[spring lintel]

I wish I can see volskaya

[onyx hull]

focus dafran harder please

[digital pond]

aKm mccree

[forest raven]

aKm back onto McCree

[digital pond]

Rip sinatra

[spring lintel]

I hope we at least see eichenwalde

Please I am dying

[balmy wolf]

"Stale meta, different heroes for different maps, viewer experience," - Overwatch EU program manager Jan M. Jahnke

[onyx hull]

my children are starving

[balmy wolf]

Talking about map draft

as opposed to fixed map pools

[forest raven]

I want map draft back because it was also a legitimate form of skill

[digital pond]

Yeh we're totally seeing different heroes here.

[forest raven]

Oh look

Tac visor kills everything

I WONDER WHAT WOULD FIX THAT

[spring lintel]

Soldier got the full package

Everything

[forest raven]

Maybe some sort of consistent shielding

[balmy wolf]

Rogue 🤔 dying to tac visor 🤔 not running d.va or rein 🤔

[forest raven]

KnoxXx

[onyx hull]

nico should go back on that dva

[balmy wolf]

🤔 Rogue 🤔 bigger 🤔 one 🤔 trick 🤔 than 🤔 Reaver 🤔

[forest raven]

KnoxXx is dying first all the time again

[digital pond]

Hum no.

It's tactical death.

[forest raven]

xd

[digital pond]

It gives +25 to all of Rogue into their DPS stat.

[onyx hull]

mind games xd

[digital pond]

Everytime he dies.

If they all roll at least a 5 they get +100 to charisma too.

[forest raven]

SoOn's bombs have not been that great

[digital pond]

Yeh.

That nano visor felt like a waste though.

[balmy wolf]

The problem is they aren't focusing Dafran

And even when they do

They kill him and then ignore the next carry

Emongg

[digital pond]

And Emongg just pick them like apples in those situations.

[balmy wolf]

And they die everytime Dafran ults

[digital pond]

LOL

[onyx hull]

because no sustain

[digital pond]

They have no protection.

Dive has to kill first.

No rein = lemme eat it all.

[balmy wolf]

Like I'm watching Harryhook or something

god damn

[spring lintel]

Nerf 76 plz

[onyx hull]

god damn , a dva, anyone

[balmy wolf]

solo ulting NiCO

[forest raven]

Je

Baited

[balmy wolf]

[digital pond]

Dude, Selfless is doing a good job of turning onto Nico.

[forest raven]

I mean Kresnik shut down two ults with one

And it kept them the point

[digital pond]

And saved a potential 3 deaths.

[balmy wolf]

KnoxXx dying first

again

[digital pond]

Knoxx saw Wiffle play Tracer for LG Loyal and decided to copy his dying first strat.

Emongg lmao.

Dude is immortal.

[forest raven]

http://i.imgur.com/ASqBOsA.jpg

[digital pond]

Lmao why

[forest raven]

Slasher memes

[balmy wolf]

[onyx hull]

god damn unkoe god fucking carryng damn hard

[balmy wolf]

aKm playing Pharah into Dafran's 76

with no mercy

[spring lintel]

Dafran vs akm

[balmy wolf]

[onyx hull]

rip

[forest raven]

aKm isn't there to protect the backline

SoOn kills uNKOE and Winz

xd

Not SoOn

[digital pond]

Also by the way.

[forest raven]

Sinatraa

[digital pond]

Sinatraa was a genji main originally.

[spring lintel]

LOL KNOXX

Poor guy

[onyx hull]

akm stooop

[balmy wolf]

aKm will switch after ult

he is not staying on pharah

no way in hell

[onyx hull]

he should change on the first death

[forest raven]

Think Selfless will be invited to APEX next season?

[balmy wolf]

NANOBLADE

LOSE FIGHT

???????

[spring lintel]

Phara should stay low below the shield

[balmy wolf]

aKm just needs to switch

Like goddamn

Play McCree to deal with Sinatraa

[digital pond]

This engage

[balmy wolf]

SWIIIIITCH

[onyx hull]

AAAAA

[forest raven]

They flank and Dafran and Sinatraa kill four of them xd

[onyx hull]

finally

[forest raven]

lol

[balmy wolf]

jfc im so tilted right now

[onyx hull]

sucks

[balmy wolf]

Rogue are just throwing

[forest raven]

TIME TO WATCH DAFRAN GO DAHAM

[balmy wolf]

You can't even blame it on their hero pool and role problems

They can win like this

But they're just terrible right now

[solid spear]

Selfless

[balmy wolf]

Not focusing Emongg and Dafran

Throwing dragonblades

KnoxXx dying every fight

[onyx hull]

akm needs to put his big carry mccree pants

[forest raven]

KnoxXx tried 1v3'ing when the three have biotic field down

[balmy wolf]

https://clips.twitch.tv/TubularMoralPoxLitty

lul

whoa

that camera switch mid blink

[forest raven]

ikr

So cash

How does Rogue do these flanks

[balmy wolf]

solo ulting nico again

[spring lintel]

Lol

[balmy wolf]

[forest raven]

Make it a 5v6 basically immediately

And then nearly lose the fight

[onyx hull]

ass

[balmy wolf]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FurrySpineyDiamondCorgiDerp

http://i.imgur.com/5AjoBtj.png

hm

[spring lintel]

Please let us see another map

[balmy wolf]

Imagine if Rogue was just playing this like a scrim

pharah again

it has to be

[onyx hull]

nico on dva is good

[balmy wolf]

Insta switch from aKm lol

[onyx hull]

GOOD

why does he keep insisting

[forest raven]

He goes Pharah and tries to convince uNKOE to play Mercy

And uNKOE is just like "how dare you"

[onyx hull]

"don't talk to your mother like that"

[forest raven]

tf was Winz and uNKOE doing

[balmy wolf]

that posititoning

[forest raven]

Why were they so far forward

[balmy wolf]

Zoning pulse bomb?

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpookyStrangePeafowlFeelsBadMan

[forest raven]

SOON

HOLY FUCK

SOON

[onyx hull]

so good

[balmy wolf]

NiCO's D.Va is pretty good

[forest raven]

OH LOOK

[balmy wolf]

its over

2-2

[forest raven]

KNOXXX JUMPS INTO EMONGGS ARMS

AND KRESNIK GETS ANOTHER THREE MAN SHATTER

[spring lintel]

NOSUUUU

[solid spear]

Game 5 grand finals this is what you want

Aye

[balmy wolf]

Rogue has to learn how to play another comp

They fucking do

[spring lintel]

I mean nisu

[balmy wolf]

They just do

This can't work anymore

[onyx hull]

knoxx has to learn how to play another hero

[forest raven]

KnoxXx can't fucking play Winston into Sinatraa and Emongg

[balmy wolf]

They need some fucking sustain

Selfless isnt some rando tier 2 NA team they can just stomp because of mechanical skill difference

They need to adapt

Legit, with KnoxXx's performance on Winston

Put him on Lucio

and Winz on Zarya

That would help soooo much

[onyx hull]

a zarya would do wonders

[balmy wolf]

Like fuck

[forest raven]

They'd still only have the one tank

[balmy wolf]

Even then it would be leaps and bounds ahead of where they are now

Its 5v6 with KnoxXx on Winston

[onyx hull]

is he getting any value with his shield anymore

[balmy wolf]

http://i.imgur.com/DXB8Kxl.png

No he isnt

[forest raven]

FUCKING

[balmy wolf]

LOOK AT THAT

[forest raven]

EMONGG

[balmy wolf]

HE DIES

FIRST AGAIN

[forest raven]

HOOKS KNOXXX

INSTANTLY

[onyx hull]

fucking.

[forest raven]

[balmy wolf]

THIS IS FUCKING RETARDED

[onyx hull]

this is sad

[balmy wolf]

Dude if I could get in a VC with knoxxx right now

holy shit

[forest raven]

IT HAPPENED AGAIN

SFGDGSDFG

[onyx hull]

jjjjeeeeesusu

[balmy wolf]

dude is so retarded right now what teh fuck is this shit

[onyx hull]

bm

[forest raven]

Emongg fuckin learned

KnoxXx didn't

[solid spear]

Damn Polo pls

[onyx hull]

what....

ulting without team

throwing

[forest raven]

Selfless' ults have been uh

Shit

Still holding though

[onyx hull]

kresnik hits nice shatters

[forest raven]

LUL

[digital pond]

Who dat?

[forest raven]

KnoxXx

[digital pond]

Lmao

[forest raven]

Can this game end already

I have errands to run

[forest raven]

YES

THATS AMAZING

Oh hey

Rogue's doing stuff

Rogue has sound barrier and trance up and get no kills

[forest raven]

It just fuckin gets better

[balmy wolf]

This is making me feel better

[forest raven]

Rogue's not gonna complete the map lul

[balmy wolf]

oh

knoxxx

killed someone

:o

[forest raven]

Oh hey

They did some stuff

[onyx hull]

dafran dies > instawin

unkoe with the carry orbs

[balmy wolf]

knoxxx presses e > insta win

[forest raven]

Emongg presses w, presses shift, presses left click > dead KnoxXx

[onyx hull]

why press w, knoxx goes straight to him

[forest raven]

You right you right

[balmy wolf]

Sinatraa on Ganjo

KnoxXx dead first

[forest raven]

Rogue gets five kills and KnoxXx just fucking dies

[balmy wolf]

WHAT A SURPRISE

[digital pond]

The thing is Sinatraa used to be a one trick pony Genji.

[forest raven]

xd

[onyx hull]

remember last amm when rogue was stomping and we wondered if knoxx could play rein when needed.

[digital pond]

Don't think he's played it enough recently.

[balmy wolf]

Hey look

No CC

Dragonblade gets easy kills

What a surprise

[forest raven]

tfw your nanovisor is just a distraction for your genji because you haven't seen a Rein shield in three weeks

[balmy wolf]

Can't just rely on uNKOE's sleep dart

[onyx hull]

lol

[balmy wolf]

he isnt Jehong

[forest raven]

He's close

[onyx hull]

zzzz knoxx

[balmy wolf]

KnoxXx?

More like

KnozZz

Wasted Tac Visor

[forest raven]

Emongg gets three kills xd

[balmy wolf]

NiCO baited

[onyx hull]

so many questionable ults

[balmy wolf]

Honestly at this point I would just hide in the back right staircase if i were NiCO

flanking dragonblade

but nope

[forest raven]

It seems KnoxXx has become Dafran's herder

[balmy wolf]

he gots head on

0 kills

[forest raven]

LOL

[onyx hull]

saved

[balmy wolf]

lol solo ulting NiCO again

[onyx hull]

never fucking mind

[forest raven]

NiCO gets two, baits out Kresnik's shatter

[balmy wolf]

Poor guy

[forest raven]

Rogue is still all dead

[balmy wolf]

DAE remember when Rogue had 6 people on its roster?

[forest raven]

EMONGG

JUST

KEEPS

HOOKING

PEOPLE

[balmy wolf]

No shields No win

1 minute left

ult advantage

[spring lintel]

They are exactly countering their comp

[balmy wolf]

Okay so

[onyx hull]

okay 1 ult

[balmy wolf]

Selfless has both supp ults

nothing else

Dragonblade for rogue

[digital pond]

I mean.

[balmy wolf]

almost primal rage

[onyx hull]

they can bould shatter

[spring lintel]

Depends on nico

[digital pond]

Dafran has whiped people without Soldier ult.

[onyx hull]

build

[digital pond]

So.

[balmy wolf]

YES

CARRY DEAD

GG

ITS OVER

LETS GOOO CHAAAAAAAAAMP

[forest raven]

ggs

[spring lintel]

They won

[digital pond]

Didn't know polo was a Rogue fanboy.

[solid spear]

U_U

[spring lintel]

How fascinating

[onyx hull]

knoxx was carried real fucking hard

[balmy wolf]

Time for Rogue to scrim a proper comp till the next melee

[forest raven]

KnoxXx started to just focus on Dafran

[digital pond]

I feel like if Sin could play Genji.

Things would be easier.

[forest raven]

Jump on Dafran, shield on Dafran

[solid spear]

Rogue went 5-4 against them today they're clearly very close

And they're the best Na teams at PIT they'll meet again soon

[balmy wolf]

KnoxXx better learn rein

for fuck sake

[onyx hull]

mechanically i think rogue is better, but they made very poor choices in relation to positioning and ults. the lack of sustain really hurts them too

[forest raven]

Slasher

Oh, I love this guy

[balmy wolf]

https://clips.twitch.tv/RacyBlatantZebraSMOrc

I love slasher

[forest raven]

What a great thumbnail

ZP lowering his head in shame and Slasher with his arms up

[balmy wolf]

http://i.imgur.com/bw9jec2.png

That final was amazing

I would have been tilted off the face of the earth if Rogue lost

I still kind of am

[forest raven]

kek

[balmy wolf]

Because of how fucking sloppy that was

[onyx hull]

if selfless won they would have earned it

[forest raven]

KnoxXx just didn't get close to Emongg at all during the last part

[balmy wolf]

KnoxXx just needs to get a restraining order on Emongg

[forest raven]

Also I just realised

If Emongg hadn't missed the right click on the stunned Ana

Selfless would have won the OMM

[balmy wolf]

Yeah that was really weird

Missing and then having to reload

rip

He also missed a shot on NiCO when he was earthshattered on 2nd just there

not like it mattered because all of rogue was dead

even after NiCO killing 3

and wasting shatter

i cant believe i just said that

That Rogue

Consistently one of the best teams in the world

All died and lost a push

after one person getting 3 kills and wasting one of the best CC ults in the game

[digital pond]

I'm glad no one is the immortal #1 team frankly.

Shit would get staler than Betty White's ass.

Does mean the gap isn't TOO huge.

Excited to see Selfless improve.

[balmy wolf]

Yeah its definitely good

I was just really mad about that match because of how sloppy Rogue was

I want NA to be like EU back before and just after the Open

[onyx hull]

i hope they study this match a lot

[balmy wolf]

Top 3 teams beating eachother consistently

[forest raven]

I hope Rogue doesn't take them winning to mean they don't need to expand their strategy

[balmy wolf]

Yeah seriously

[digital pond]

I hope none of the Top 3 teams take Top 3 as meaning none of them have to improve.

[balmy wolf]

They're not idiots though, so hopefully they realise after almost losing

That they need to do something

[forest raven]

Selfless is on the cusp of outclassing Rogue's dive

[balmy wolf]

Envy never had to improve lol

Which is why I hated and still hate them

[forest raven]

EnVy got complacent as fuck

And then they got bodied

[balmy wolf]

An EU team in NA

Like in the middle of their winstreak

[forest raven]

I mean

[balmy wolf]

they were a tier 2 EU team

Just crushing NA

[forest raven]

Rogue is an EU team in NA

[balmy wolf]

Then got way too lax

and got destroyed at LAN

Man did that feel good for me

Yeah they are draw, that is true

But its not really their fault

If they want to continue succeeding as a team and org

they needed to move to NA

because of the OWL

For Envy

They were just in NA because "lul ez"

[forest raven]

Yeah true

So, the only NA team with majority NA players that has yet to play Selfless is C9

[balmy wolf]

Yep

[forest raven]

Out of the NA teams that have a chance of beating Selfless

I think, pound for pound, Surefour and Mendo outclass Dafran and Sinatraa

They have the flexibility to respond to their world class ability on specific heroes

[digital pond]

They have a wider stable pool imo ya.

[forest raven]

And let's be real Ryb >>>>> Kresnik

[digital pond]

Haha

Selfless got lot to learn but for a first tournament against good competition it was nice.

And they'll definitely start getting invites now.

Thank fuck.

[balmy wolf]

Honestly, C9 is definitely one of the most flexible teams, if not the most, in the world

[digital pond]

GODS's hero pool is actually fairly insane.

[forest raven]

imo Surefour is like a hairs breadth beneath Tviq and Mendo is a hair's breadth beneath Surefour

Those two combined can probably play every hero in the game at the pro level

[digital pond]

Oh Draw

Are you in Emongg's Discord?

@forest raven

[forest raven]

Nope @digital pond

[digital pond]

Kresnik was talking about the missed shot on the shattered Ana.

Apparently Emongg's mouse is fucked.

When he lifts it and puts it back down too hard it right clicks alone 90% of the time lmao.

They apparently passed a bit looking at it post game.

[forest raven]

ic

I believe it

Silvers don't miss shots on stunned targets

[digital pond]

Yeah Jeff's is pretty upset about it.

But they got over it as a team and dropped it.

[forest raven]

Jeff = Emongg?

[digital pond]

Yeah sorry.

[forest raven]

rip

How would a comp of McCree, Lucio, Ana, Rein, Winston and Hog work against Rogue's dive if both teams were of equal skill

[balmy wolf]

Very well methinks

Like if both teams are of equal skill, a McCree on aKm's level could deal with SoOn quite effectively I would say

Then Winston + Hog would be a pain for NiCO and aKm

or just the team in general

and then them having a rein would be the end for rogue

[forest raven]

ic

[toxic yacht]

I mean, they were also owning all EU teams as iddqd

That's why nV got them in the first place

EU teams massively improved through playing each other though while nV was too busy crushing "mid tier na teams" and a few top ones

Also, 3-2 with a final 3-2 koth round isn't exactly destroying

OW Open with the 3-1 was much more decisive

[forest raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qay26oYEZBM

[edgy remnant]

yeah the finalmouse series are known to have issues like that

stemming from cheap build quality and whatnot

[digital pond]

ereee

[toxic yacht]

ryujehong

leetajun

now we only need kimjongun

[clever wagon]

What

@toxic yacht

[toxic yacht]

yes

[clever wagon]

Not quite an answer

[rapid oxide]

https://twitter.com/Rogue_aKm/status/843700076270706688

They are gonna analyze for sure

Im glad nothing is set on stone

Imt was 2nd best na team, then lg evil, selfless was shit and then almost won against rogur

This is nice as esport imo

[toxic yacht]

I just want to see how nV does against them

[rapid oxide]

100% would lose against rogue

[toxic yacht]

they've been locked away in their invite only bubble for too long

[rapid oxide]

Rogue is getting closer taking Envy spot on gosu

[toxic yacht]

also, taimou said on stream that a 7th player who can genji/tracer/pharah would be nice

[forest raven]

Gosu rankings are irrelevant for OW

At least, the global rankings, but even then

[toxic yacht]

only useful rankings are NA rankings tbh

and that's only because these guys keep playing each other consistently

[rapid oxide]

Koreans are too overrated imo

No, im not saying that because they lost OMM

AMM

And yeah, gosu is quite irrelevant but not totally

[toxic yacht]

apex had a massive kr bias

that combined with 12 established korean teams

of which half are t1

vs 4 western teams

1 mid tier NA team, c9, 1 unestablished t1 team that only played NiP and nV

but KR has much more teams

more t1 teams

more t2 teams

more everything, which is scary af

[dusty surge]

When is the next live event?

[forest raven]

APEX season 2 quarter final decider match between Panthera and LW Blue tomorrow, and the last week of group play for the OCS begins in around 12 hours @dusty surge

[dusty surge]

Awesome. Thanks @forest raven

[forest raven]

np my dude

[rapid oxide]

and at some point Overwatch PIT

[forest raven]

Yes

[rapid oxide]

but we still doesn't have any schedule

[forest raven]

Yeah

[toxic yacht]

mfw I'm watching rogue vs selfless 1 and I see this

unkoe is a fragger at heart

even when he's on mercy

[solid spear]

Heh

[rapid oxide]

Pls Blizzard nerf Mercy Pistol

[vestal mortar]

Surprising amount of damage

[opaque owl]

Pls blizzard make it hitscn

[rapid oxide]

why use a dps when u have mercy

[tawdry moon]

What is a dps??

[low thunder]

dps means damage per second

its used for offensive heros like soldier or tracer

or pharah

[tawdry moon]

Ah okay, ty

[rapid oxide]

http://www.gosugamers.net/overwatch/news/43720-there-will-be-no-blizzard-games-at-wca-2017?utm_content=buffer1b2f5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[spring lintel]

Fuuuk I really wanted to see NRG's die

I mean dive*

[karmic beacon]

who here now

?

if you here just know

ich bin fuck ur mo....

mops

yea

Do you thourght mom?

NEIN

SUKAS

[toxic yacht]

[vestal mortar]

[solid spear]

[rapid oxide]

[lusty wharf]

[digital pond]

[balmy wolf]

[rapid oxide]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/60jedb/overwatch_pit_championship_eu_group_stage_week_1/?sort=confidence

[vestal mortar]

Aw shoot I'll be away until Sunday evening

[rapid oxide]

So no KDP vs LW Blue? 😢

[vestal mortar]

Oh I'll get to watch that, I'm leaving on Thursday so I'll just be missing all of week 1 of PIT :C
I've been looking forward to watching some EU teams play again.

[rapid oxide]

probably EU will be dominated by Misfits, pretty pointless to watch haha

even if EU have a really good numbers of solid teams

Probably Attax is the worse imo

NA most likely selfless/rogue again

My bet. EU Misfits/Eunited NA Rogue/Selfless

[supple nymph]

https://www.twitch.tv/a_seagull

@tough summit he's playing genji take notes

[silk linden]

I wonder if there are stats of average win % for maps with mirrored halves

By which I mean koth

I wonder if attacking the cp from the left or the right has a statistical significance

[toxic yacht]

Teams that cap first have a higher likelihood of winning

[solid spear]

I think he means is there any correlation from attacking from a certain side on control points and winning

[silk linden]

yeah, I was wondering about left/right in particular

on the one hand, both teams are basically working on the same terrain, with mirrored layouts. On the other, say someone is more used to, idk, taking cover behind left turning corners, wallriding with walls on the right, stuff like that

[solid spear]

I couldnt imagine any point would have a significant winrate difference for a side

[silk linden]

not significant for sure, just noticeable

I guess for it to be noticeable we'd need a bigger sample size than we currently have, even 1 year into the game's lifespan

you could like, compare left-handed and right-handed players' performances on the different sides of the map

it could also be just a subjective thing. I personally think I tend to favor certain sides

pros might be more flexible

[bitter grotto]

@crimson bobcat no link shorteners

[spring lintel]

LOL lg evil 1st

While loyal is last

[spring lintel]

Tmw carbon is gonna be so fun

With overwatch 2.0

[wintry matrix]

is IMT Fazeing right now?

[spring lintel]

This carbon series is much more fun than the AMM

[digital pond]

Flippy actually showing up on his main hero. My issue is Flippy's tracer is still hella weak.

All good that his widow is nice, but what about the rest.

[solid spear]

Nepal

[digital pond]

LOL

Almost died to Mercy.

Hidan the fragger

[spring lintel]

That was scary

[digital pond]

Iono why Spree is on Pharah still.

Thank God he swapped.

Flippy

pls

[spring lintel]

Oh my

Go

D

[digital pond]

It's like watching aKm flick on Sinatraa lmao.

[spring lintel]

Omg

What is this

They need to do something about him soon

Dive on him with genji or something

[digital pond]

Reverse sweep.

They're doing what teams did with Dafran.

Giving him all the space in the world.

[spring lintel]

Watching this makes me eager to watch Iddqd

In NRG

[digital pond]

Hoping we get more scrim montage from dummy.

[spring lintel]

Wtf

Grim is first tier

[spring lintel]

Grim is gonna wipe them

Tf is hidan doing

He needs to step up his healing game

This is actually intense

Better than most amm matches

Map 6?

Noooooo

[digital pond]

Wait is RNG trying someone else out again?

[balmy wolf]

probably a stand in

[solid spear]

What time does Apex start?

And Tseini haven't seen him in a while

[balmy wolf]

6 hours

Panthera vs LW Blue

[solid spear]

Yeah I'm dumb it's normal time lol

Thanks

[digital pond]

It's just confusing to see them swap person so often.

[clever wagon]

Soo actually LGE rranks pretty good among NA teams I guess

Pretty much right next to Selfless?

Beating RNG for the 3rd time with 3-1 over the previous 3-2

[forest raven]

They haven't played against C9 or NRG yet @clever wagon

[balmy wolf]

Sefless is definitely the most dominant NA team atm

With C9 still not back and NRG not playing yet

and Fnatic being mid tier

[forest raven]

When Selfless plays C9 and NRG they'll have played every prominent NA team

[spring lintel]

NRG is gonna be so gud

[solid spear]

Well see

[forest raven]

Gonna assume those three are gonna be the top dogs of NA, with IMT and LGE skirting behind slightly

[spring lintel]

They are so well together

[solid spear]

They look good on paper

[spring lintel]

The synergy is gonna be so good

They stream together and the feel like they would really be good friends

But we will have to see

[digital pond]

All of Seagull's teams have looked amazing on paper.

Better to just be mild hype wise.

[jovial eagle]

i have a little more hope this time

they know each other more

[spring lintel]

Iddqd and seagull combo dive is gonna be seeeeck

[jovial eagle]

genji and soldier perhaps?

i have no idea

in that case harb will zarya most likely

[solid spear]

Well Idd will pretty much always play tracer, 76, McCree

Probably see Seagull on Genji, Pharah and some off tank

[jovial eagle]

that's what i think

seagull zarya isn't bad

but who will 2nd dps or 3rd tank?

id is a lock on dps

[solid spear]

Seagull

[jovial eagle]

i mean if seagull goes zarya

and harb goes hog

[solid spear]

Then Num is likely on rein

[forest raven]

Saw in scrims from Dummy's highlights that Seagull was on Hanzo, Harb on Zarya and idd on Hog

[solid spear]

Idd can play some Hog

You'll only see him on it if they wanna run 3 tanks with Genji

[jovial eagle]

dragon graviton cheese

heh

[solid spear]

Or I guess Hanzo but idk if you'll see them do that in a real game

[jovial eagle]

they have options

i like it

[forest raven]

They can run Pharah dive with Harb on Pharah, Seagull on Genji and idd on Tracer

[solid spear]

I think in that scenario you're more likely to see idd on 76 and Harb on Tracer

Idk how comfortable Harb would be playing Pharah in a real game

He said it was rusty not long ago

[balmy wolf]

Seagull is Proj DPS

Ajax is IGL

Iddqd is Hitscan DPS

Harb is flex

Numlocked is main tank

Dummy is main healer

[solid spear]

Seagull is kinda a flex too

Nowadays

[jovial eagle]

he can zarya, hanzo, genji, pharah

those are the best ones at least

there's the ana cheese

[balmy wolf]

Yeah "nowadays"

Because before they didnt have anyone who could play Off tank

[forest raven]

And now they have the best Zarya in NA and one of the best Hogs

[balmy wolf]

He wont be on Zarya anymore probably

Seagull's best heroes are Genji, Hanzo, Pharah, Mei and Junk

[jovial eagle]

hahaha

junkrat

yeah it's fun to watch him play junkrat

[balmy wolf]

Junk is only ever run on first point hybrid but he is still played sometimes

[forest raven]

Sanctum of Nepal

[solid spear]

@balmy wolf I'm saying he'll probably play some because I assume this team will run some kinda triple tank at some point

In which case you'll see Gull on Hog/Zarya

[forest raven]

I'd rather Harb on Zarya because Zarya's more impactful than Hog

[solid spear]

It depends how good his Hog is

Harb is better than him on both

[jovial eagle]

seagull isn't good on hog e.e

[clever wagon]

@forest raven yeh I meant in the currently running tourneys

[digital pond]

Also on the Hanzo.

Libero ran that shit pretty well.

If Seagull is on point it's very doable.

[burnt token]

sorry if its already been asked but when is the apex series live next?

[balmy wolf]

3 hours

[toxic yacht]

Kongdoo Panthera vs LW Blue rematch, right? My body is ready

[balmy wolf]

[clever wagon]

I am not ready

[toxic yacht]

I hope that LW doesn't throw this time

they were so fucking tilted after dorado

[spring lintel]

Todays tourneys are going to be insane after the update 😝

[golden olive]

Stoked for this rematch! 30 minutes away

[forest raven]

https://www.twitch.tv/ognglobal APEX Season 2 in just under ten minutes. KongDoo Panthera vs LW Blue decider match. Winner goes to semis, loser goes home

[severe cedar]

ty

[stoic dragon]

rooting for panthera, but feel like LW blue is going to crush em

[pseudo sail]

Came in here to post about APEX, but Draw has already done it! ^^

[golden olive]

Rooting for Flower and his sweet hair.

[forest raven]

I do my best 😊 @pseudo sail

[pseudo sail]

👌

[forest raven]

Sombra

[stoic dragon]

dat sleep

[golden olive]

nice push by Panthera

[forest raven]

Dead Eye at this level of play is basically "press q to sleep"

[golden olive]

LOL

So true

[forest raven]

Worst ult in the game

By far

[golden olive]

Has to be the most ineffective ULT by far at this level

[stoic dragon]

"zoning" ult

[forest raven]

It looked like Nanohana could have got one kill with it there, but it's Dead Eye so who the fuck knows

[stoic dragon]

yeah he held it for a bit too long

couldve gotten one or two, before the bubble

[toxic yacht]

janus is reinforce?

[forest raven]

lul

[stoic dragon]

na ult ;_;

[toxic yacht]

c9 left their spirit in lw

apparently misfits too

[forest raven]

C9 left their spirit in the entire tournament lol

So many teams have had instances where they just forget about the objective

[stoic dragon]

mendo during his stream today. "good luck in s3, mendo." "yeah, if we're invited"

[forest raven]

[toxic yacht]

all of this

it's janus' fault

because he fucked up that shatter

lmao

ahh, he redeemed himself

[forest raven]

If Selfless keeps performing to a level a hair's breadth just under Rogue, I could see them getting invited to season 3

[stoic dragon]

i must be like 30 sec behind you

yep

[toxic yacht]

tfw they still don't punish evermore's soloQ flanks

they should be expecting them by now, lol

[forest raven]

That was amazing

[toxic yacht]

Take a page from Meta Athena and puish them like they do