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that was amazing
Okay evil are not having non of that rigged shit now
Spectator view is pretty horrid.
yeah
Even ;ole re[;ay settings.
cameraguy i dont get
Never seen Spree on Tracer before.
He sucks
Lol
Yeah evil are not having non of that shit now
They capped but they wont get to 2nd
LGE ate so much of the clock.
I don't think they planned ons topping LGL at point 1 frnakly.
I feel like this series could be made into one of those montages
GGs
Will Loyal pull a C9
Woooy
Lmao like against RNG?
Wooti
Can we rename it an LGL now?
That renegade game was hilarious.
I love this
Yeah it's fun not gonna lie
Theres no way
This has been a hype fuckin series
no
Flippy is a much better pharah than Spree lmao.
Wooooooot
why no destruct
Went from funny to pathetic.
This is honestly one of my favourite games of Overwatch
If the destruct going to be not throw then they evil will win
THAT WAS SUCH A HYPE GAME
Yeah it's fun as fuck
Such bad acting tbh 
Even tho it's rigged
rekt
Flippy MVP
Also who said flippy's pharah is better than spree's
idk
i wish the guy sat closer to the middle
Left caster throwing
lul
This series is like a fucking grand final
OCS playing the Grand Final 2 months before scheduled
If only every game could be like this

[ENG] OVERWATCH APEX S2 ENERGIZED BY HOT6 - Meta Athena VS. Afreeca Freecs Blue | Kongdoo Panthera VS. LW Blue - Clipped by ๆ็พใปใใ
this makes me cream
Meta Athena's Mei mechanichs 
Was Nepal 3-2 or 3-1
Dude wtf
on eichenwalde
Eh
Meta Flankthena
His genji is shit
Hoon was really Jeb Bushing it in that series
oh
Played a lot of not Zarya
can i shitpost here?
No
@balmy wolf MA randomly decided to no longer boost Hoon
Nano
MA boost their off tank most?
Ah
I rarely ever catch apex matches
rip
LW Blue vs. Panthera was amazing
Though Blue really got into their own heads after Dorado
i stay awake really late a lot but i always seem to fix my sleeping pattern just before the matches
so i go to bed early and wake up too late to watch them
and dont want to watch vods
FeelsBadMan
like Sojum with this tourney
they keep saying formerly hammers lol
Didn't Hammers do the spawn camping first
sypeh has gud genji tho

Yeah
BK Stars
No there was another NA team i think
Now this looks more like an actual match from both teams
rip
wtf
Zoning Graviton?
Not getting on the point?
I need to get my glasses this must be C9
Will the next match starts with no stops?
Probably a 15minute break
Nice
aw i like mei
was that deflected?
Fuckin rip LGL
Rip
that Flippy bomb lmao
It was like five metres from the grav
What on earth was that pulse bomb?
Throwing games further than he throws his bombs
Did he just throw
It was like 20 meters away from the graviton
throwing on a tournament? really .
Still a great match nonetheless
Dude that pulse bomb would have won them the fight
Now time to mute for 30m
Is it finished?
Evil won 3-2?
Huh
Well, I wont be surprised either way
If they lost, just look at Anubis and gibraltar
And nepal
guys, does toy still hangs out here
Weird series
Toy is a pro now
@onyx hull not as of late
Yeah he's probably busy scrimming
i dreamed xqc and toy kept inviting me to custom 2v2 games idk why
Veineless not online 
Oh yeah some shaddr 2k to watch
wow rood
What tier are you veineless
he's probably gm
Who is the streamer
Veineless is the DPS for Dignitas
Whut
Bromars plays Ana
Bromars best ana dont you know
Ana still used in comp after being nerfed into the ground? ๐ค
Ana wasnt nerfed to the ground lul
shes still good
if anything she might need another nerf still
100%
After reverting the grenade damage and heal changes
definitely
I talked with the lead hero designer and he said making the damage and heal on nade DoT is a possiblity
and that they might test internally
but he says changing heal denial is unlikely
so she will always be a little op

I like that they reverted the heal personally
shouldve kept nade damage nerf and nerfed anti heal to 50-75% imo
but it is what it is
80 --> 60 is defintiely a good start
Yerp
i think the only reason they are not nerfing the heal denial is because if they nerfed it to like, 50%, ana would be MORE used since the best way to counter it in a fight would be with a friendly heal boost grenade
Damage and heal on nade as DoT, 50% heal denial and not 3 shotting almost all heroes is what i have wanted for months
idk if i worded that right but you get the gist
I honestly like it as burst
I agree with your other stuff though
I wouldve rather kept the 30 damage nade and keep burst than go DoT
I still think if she does an instant 60 damage and heal with the grenade she will still have too much 1v1 potential
like way too much
No support should be able to 1v1 a genji except zen
but no
if you get shot once
and slept
you're done
she's like the mccree of supports
maybe the best way to balance her is giving more to other support's kits? ๐ค
except dart needs aim
that would imply McCree is really good :<
buffing other supports to make one of them worse

blizzard know what the word balance means
so they wont do that
Buffing should always be a last resort
If you see a hero is unabalanced, you nerf that hero to stabilise power levels
You don't buff everyone else
but mccree is good
ok fair
Power creep?
It's like in WoW, where people were getting 2 million hp because gear stats were increasing exponentially every expac
i tried explaining to my friend that they were just changing the numbers to appear less hyperbolic, but he kept thinking they were nerfing everyone to the same stats as 2 xpacs before the current one
anyway game is live
where did the bomb go
lol
LIVE: compLexity vs Team Liquid | Overwatch Carbon Series Week 4 - Clipped by polo__bear
That reminds me
Did either team ever set up any ult combo that looked serious?
I dont think they did
Most noticeable ones are just Jake going solo on Genji or Train with DVa ult, both of which looked like Loyal didnt respect or give an answer
When Loyal already fell into a bad position
is this pre respawn rework?
working as intended ๐
Only APEX tourney realm that still have the old one
Online tourneys use live version that belongs to the players themselves
i see thanks
hohohoho
LOL
"Got hit so hard by the rocket he swapped character"
I liked that.
Mesr 's Winston is really nice.
I'm still trying to hold onto the dream that Liquid just need to get used to their new roles
But maybe they are just bad :c
Shadder is so fun to watch
"report torb"
I think they are starting to improve frankly.
^
I think things would be easy if Shadder was closer to NA ping wise.
Cause if he does end up moving and they get a team house he'll have to learn to play without latency XD.
"Take notes Jake" lol
I feel like even though he's in they aren't sure about OW yet. Liquid I mean.
Unless they are waiting for OWL to actually invest.
But I feel like it hurts in the long run to have one player playing with shit ping.
Was KDP v. LW good?
Ah good. I'm gonna load it in the background.
LGE v LGL kinda was funny but sad at the same time.
It did feel weird but it was really close
Really good match
Maybe thats why they did that
I mean all in all LGL improved a bit.
Maybe the new blood helped.
holy shit that actually makes so much sense
I mean whatever they do people will accuse them to script the game.
yee
Sister teams always get loads of shit in the West.
Explains why there is so little
LIVE: compLexity vs Team Liquid | Overwatch Carbon Series Week 4 - Clipped by polo__bear
lul
Also
Liquid up 2-0

Thanks Blizzard algorythm.
Yeah I was watching him yesterday he was making hella plays.
I think there's a few decent tracers popping up. My issue is that aside from SoOn most seem to struggle with pulse bomb.
I think it was ZP who said it best
"SoOn seems to have to miss a pulse bomb to hit the next"
I mean I hardly see anyone other get triple kill PB without set up.
So I guess it works for him.
LIVE: compLexity vs Team Liquid | Overwatch Carbon Series Week 4 - Clipped by polo__bear
LUL
LIVE: compLexity vs Team Liquid | Overwatch Carbon Series Week 4 - Clipped by polo__bear
what the heck
they have replays?
since when
THE REZ
HOLY SHIT
They have a primitive version of replay I believe Blizz gave them access to.
Damn shadder got shattered before he can spray
Yeah they're doing really well by them.
Intense af
On both side I'm actually satisfied. I think Nesh and Mesha did really well and with time will fit in, if kept. And Liquid is progressing well.
taking their 2nd series
It's a win on both side for me imo.
Shadder got booped way too many times at the last map
Is that next or in a few days?
Next
Nice.
Yeah I agree @digital pond
If I am not mistaken
Both teams played very well
I really love watching Hyped play.
Yeah next will be immt v rng
Makes me happy to see more teams look good.
Also gotta remember Meza and Nesh are both EU
Oh? Didn't know.
Both playing 120+ ping easily
So shadder issue too.
Yee
They did really well for that much ping. All 3 really.
Meza from Romania and Nesh from Germany
I can't imagine how annoying it must be.
I just want all the EU players on NA teams to get relocated already 
Soon enough imo.
Everyone just seems to be holding off a lot the closer we get to OWL.
Did it start?
nope
Now?
nope
Lmao that flank what.
Did no one look up when they heard the Jetpack noises?
Or do they play without sound?
They started?
yep
Yes they did
Hyped is trying so hard.
quad tank 
Why do teams choose the dive defence when they don't initiate
That's the entire point of dive
They go 3-2-1 on defence then let the enemy team take whatever positioning they want

RNG have done a good job of just shutting Grim down.
Made all of Immortal struggle.
Agreed I think Iko's hero pool is helpful.
Today is the days of new picks.
Spree plays Tracer.
Nomy decides D.va is the right choice.
Imt vs rng?
left guy looks like a baby with facial hair
Yeap @clever wagon
Grim needs a better team
That was a panic ult because of that shit team
He could have got the two at the back line and flanked
But his team died too fast
I think him and Hyped are probably the most stable players.
That's a fine time
I might tune in too, then @waxen root
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Dignitas is in Overwatch Pit right?
yea
You're in EU?
yup
Hmmm
lul
What the fuck LGE
I'm sorry, but they should have crushed LGL 3-0 or 3-1

Especially with those tryouts their doing
twas a great series though
LG Evil won 3-2
ah
3-2, apparently LGE was doing extremely stupid shit
Like, uncharacteristicaly stupid shit
both teams had some sloppy moments with some throwing lol
Lol, I hope that this was a one-in-a-time thing
Gotta watch the vod for this game, lol
Both teams were really weird
Once you watch the full vod, try to prove me wrong
There were TONS of weird shit
Trickling, staggering, questionable ult management, list goes on
From both sides
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Especially on Anubis, Nepal, and Gibraltar
My piece of shit plat S4 unranked eyes can only see what's on the surface
lmao
@waxen root Did you watch the whole vod yet? If so then educate me
It was really good
Gibraltar was honestly one of the best games of Overwatch I've seen
im getting more and more convinced that both teams threw at some points to keep it going
and make it a really interesting match
for LG PR
lol
Some dude said that they were maybe trying some cheeky shit since their sister teams and know each others strats, so they decided to fuck with each other a bit
People really want an explanation, lol
tbh throwing to seem more competitive seems likely
Poor Hidan, he deserves something better than this trash
I just think it was a combo of LGE being in a slump, LGL finally gelling, Flippy allowing LGL to run high dive, and what you said, where they're sister teams so they tried to be cheeky
I really fucking hope so, lol
I know Occam's Razor blah blah
I mean my thing is LGE looked shaky even against RNG too.
Yes I'm just overanalyzing shit
People getting ready and jumping in for OWL
What toruney is thisv
This i crazy
The final will be either rouge or fanatic vs runaway
Not sure about selfless tho
This is the Melee
No idea dude
Lan ?
Okay nvm
Yup it's gonna be on americas server
So rogue has a huge advantage
Probably going to force a west server
So Runaway will play with like 100-120 ping
like eu to na
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Another server
Damn I wish NRG was there
Not sure if Fnatic is back in NA, but even if so Rogue has a massive advantage
Runaway being there is still interesting
Holy fuck Selfless vs Runaway imt and LGE?
So fucking hyped
They're finally in a tournament with everyone.
I feel like Rogue got a fairly easy group.
They also get to beat on haficool lmao.
Lol I am watching a video of shadowburn playing comp
And voll and super are against him
That was 3 months ago
And no one knows them
tbh FaZe going to shit and c9 going to korea made the Monthly Melee improve so much
it used to basically be "how will FaZe and c9 crush all of their competition before reaching the finals"
Can't wait my boy Hafficool getting rekt by Tier 1 team 
Fnatic is in the same group with Rogue

Can't wait for Rogue to show that Tier 2 NA team that it's still a Tier 2 NA team

WAIT HOLY SHIT?
THE RUNAWAY?
IN OMM?????
THEY CAN MEET A KOREAN REPRESENTATIVE
Hmm pinging Kaiser on Twitter...????
The melee is gonna be insane
I didn't see this sorry lul
evening
Iko got cucked by shadowblade's bugs
Ghost swings for days
It's fine oreo
Rng won yesterday
If you mean by Panthera, they were very even from what I've heard @past oar
LWB and Panthera was a good match
Sideshow said NRG is dropping out of OW Pit in the comments of https://www.over.gg/post/10905/overwatch-alienware-monthly-melee-march-edition#10
Sideshow better be fucking trolling
ok, at first i thought the 2cp hate was overblow
Lol 2CP
but this is just pure bullshit
if i ran the tournament i'd just give IMT the victory right now
I think he means when the meter stopped working on Liquid.
Teams shouldn't lose because of a broken gamemode 
Jesus carried that so fucking hard
If OWL is successful which I hope to god it will, the game is gonna go to another lvl of development
If it is, Blizz will def give them more resources.
wait, to win the team needs 2 or 3 points?
I hope it will be like CSGO, LOL and dota
3 @wintry matrix
People like the game but it needs more content
It's bo5
Well it is a new game.
Not very new
oh, i said i'd give IMT to win, because they only draw anubis because of 2cp
I think we're getting pretty good content sof ar.
2 maps 2 heroes?
I rather it be periodical and well done than rushing it like MMos do
And then ahving to spend the next 18 patches fixing it
Like LoL does
Considering how awful OW must be to balance.
I don't mind it too much.
But there's more coming this spring according to JEff's AMA.
Skins and content. Since they've been recording a lot of shit.
And flying the VA's over.
No, don't rush content
Periodical and keeping the balance as good as possible is better
I'm sure there's a lot coming.
That will trickle in until the 1 year anniversary.
Jeff already confirmed new skins for this spring.
1 year and 9 months of that one online JRPG is enough experience of s a n i c fast content release which I couldn't keep up with
What the hell rng are getting fkd
Another "3-map energy" instead of "5-hour energy"?
LOL aythen
With the teabag
That was so funny
Grim causally walks in on ana "aythen" tea bagging a dead tracer
This looks like the IMT that won the WP
Why dont pro use phara on defense ?
Is it because the attacking team can instantly switch to a very phara hard counter comp?
Like widow
That partnered with Pharah not really dealing well with Dive
Wow this match is boring
This is brutal to watch.
They need to change their comp
Their current comp is obviously not working
Why the hell did they not go dive?
Man they got bodied
Lol yesterday mang and j3 were in the chat
Saying their GGs
Today they get fucking bodied
I mean they talk about it a lot.
Lot of RNG players are stubborn.
But Credit where it's due. IMT stepped up.
Last playoff spot is kinda up for grabs if coL loses here
It is...?
Loyal will then be tied with Liquid in Series W/L
And coL will still be 4th
Well they'd be 2-6 and coL 3-5 it gives them a chance
While coL win essentially seals the 4
This match is boring af
How powerful is NRG's roster compared to envy us, LH, and runaway
We haven't seen them play so we can't say for sure, but Seagull has a world class Pharah, Mei, Hanzo and an acceptable Genji, Harbley runs a great Hog and a world class Zarya, and idd is one of the best hitscan players in the world
What about dummy
Ajax is reportedly an amazing igl, and Dummy looks like a great Ana
has harb upgraded from friends to nrg?
Still friends
PFT
No wtf
that coy bastard
I've seen inklings that NRG is pulling out of the Pit
But only inklings
I hope that isn't the case
Friends with benefits
hehehehe
i thought it was a joke but when i learned that harbleu was also in LG with seagull way back
wait was it harb
or id
either way it's kinda confirmed
The last three 2cp matches in the OCS have been draws
even with the 2CP change it's still this bad?
Yeah lol
rip
i'd like to believe you still need good management to win 2CP
basically wiping the defending team is required for a win
2 picks isn't enough
Not gonna lie sick of Anubis/Nepal literally every series
RIP Carbon
we played tempo storm on oasis today in the tournament lol
it was an interesting draft
That for The Pit? @balmy wolf
yeah
we played toronto esports on hollywood and won then lost to tempo on oasis like 3-2
Damn, close
yee it was fun tho
lmao nesh

I like how when Vonethil was asked if Talespin might be coming to Fnatic he went "lol no"
It's like, damn dude you need him
Hafficool is 
Remember when Fnatic was top 2-3 NA lul
Week 4 of the Carbon Series Group Stage:
Immortals 3 - 1 Liquid
LG Evil 3 - 2 Renegades
LG Loyal 2 - 3 LG Evil
compLexity 0 - 3 Liquid
Immortals 0 - 3 Renegades
Renegades 0 - 3 Immortals
compLexity 3 - 2 LG Loyal
LG Evil holds first place 8-0
Renegades holds second place 5-3
Immortals holds third place 4-4
@jovial eagle what I do know is Harb and Seagull was in the same TF2 team
Also @forest raven oddly enough it's only Sideshow dropping it out of nowhere in the over.gg comments... But man if that's true
Oh shit You Guys Get Paid is an actual team?
I thought it was like a photoshop for some reason
Nope

Fuckin got their ass handed to them
Esp hafficool
Harbleu said on stream to be ready at 3 PM EST
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/5zotar/harbleu_said_on_stream_to_be_ready_at_3_pm_est/
Most likely there is going to be a "friend" announcement. NRG: https://twitter.com/nrggg Harbleu: https://twitter.com/harbleuOW
plot twist
harb and seagull announces their love child
a fusion of a seagull and a pig
@solid spear 

Ive been gone from the fam for a couple months had to return
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He pronounces my name differently every month lul
kek
Yeah, oreaofestar is definitely a weird name to pronounce :p
dad never gets it wrong doe but I guess thats why hes dad
I don't want your nudes you disgusting fuck
you disgusting person
You imbecile
you dormant plant
@edgy remnant mooooood

Are there any s4 tourney to watch?
Sankyuu mod
.-.
If you think about it
@cypherrrOW @GoingRogueGG @runaway its ok we'll come back to NA and show them whats up
They f'in lost a QUALIFIER as their first match after coming back, didn't they
Yep haha
To an unsigned team
hafficool
stop
you were trash at APEX
and you're just embarassing yourself
the boys over at Fnatic don't deserve this
My boi Custa ๐ฆ๐บ 
The hilarity
I'm excited to see how Selfless and RUNaWAY will do in the OMM
Selfless because this is their first test against the bigger teams and RUNaWAY because of going from LAN and 5 ping games to 120 ping
ALso BGH who I've never even heard of
Das weird how they type RunAway while Liquipedia still uses the same one that I do here
RunAway would probably do better than BK Stars still
I'm excited to see my fav team facing more teams
Oh yeah, RUNaWAY is definitely better than BK Stars
I expect Kaiser to outplay every other Rein on 120 ping 
If he wants to, Kaiser could just make a post himself while memeing... 
He can English p gud after all
If we can understand his memes and he can understand ours, then that's all we need\
Haffi was toxic since tf2 days honestly
But people like him, or people like taimou, doesn't stop being like that
Haffi deserve that, fnatic no
You're comparing Taimou to him?
You know who Fnatic could use? Talespin. You know who Vonethil said "lol no" to? Talespin
Did Taimou ever get that toxic?
Taimou was toxic back in tf2 days
You mean Tai-"autistic n***ers"-mou?
lel
Or Tai-"I want to explore her thighs"-mou
I mean Tai-"i never tilt"-mou
Mendo was pretty childish back then iirc
tviq is bae
But changed
Mendo has def matured
nah
Nah, you watch his streams he's just a memer
surefour was always chill af
I'd put Jake and Agilities up there with those five as well
I always like to support pro players with chill personalities ๐
Rapha too iirc
Surefour's a big memer, not toxic
If anything he's a bit like Ster
Self-deprecating, sometimes sarcastic memer
But not toxic
Mendo... spends his time seducing Gods and Surefour
And a bunch of Koreans
Wink wink
Jake... is just Jake
DPS for LG Evil, an unpaid OWL market analyst, and speaks Chinese/Cantonese rather well

Oh also Mendo uses anime panties for his Twitch sub icon, if that poll passed
Mendo is bae
Mendo's the EU qt boi
Wow
It's fine Sojum
Saebyulbe or however the fuck you write his name though
Mendo's got a fuckton of mods its like each and every one of them looking out for this innocent qt boi growing in the world
๐
Saebyeolbe
Stitch 4 lyfe
Jehong and Miro
Runner is best

Runner breaking the skill ceiling after beating Lunatic Hai
Jehong ๐
Vonethil whispering Mendo in his ears in game
Vonethil seducing mendo in swedish
Actually, Vonethil is ๐ too
I swear, I'm not gay
I can appreciate it when another man is aesthetically pleasing
Since there are no women whose names aren't Soe that I can wooo about
FeelsBadMan
1 hour with IDDQD, he's a great guest :3
#video-content :^)
tfw apex matchea are so rare that we're talking about the pros we find attractive
Ooo shit @frank frigate that's some hot steamy interview with a hot steamy interviewee
Ooh I know what I will be listening to later
I was just about to launch OW, but I can't listen to the whole thing while playing...
@frank frigate The link on Overbuff was for last week's with Noukky it seems
Might want to fix it
Yep I'm fixing it now
Hard, driving
Fixed!!!
@clever wagon in case you wanted to download
Yeah already did, I opened your soundcloud ๐
โค
dat mustache >_>
OW PIt Eu qualifier has started https://www.twitch.tv/gamewithstorm
Almost 3pm ๐
Tuck Fimezones
NRG thing is getting as boring as sombra countdown
But friends, omg haHAHAA LEL
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I never would have guessed! ๐ฎ
VERY SURPRISED /S
I'm so happy! ๐
Can't wait to see them not winning the next lans
Aww, I'm gonna keep positive anyway and support some of my favourite personalities. ๐
Yeah all good. I love Spree, but LGL isn't doing too hot.
It's a shame cuz Spree/Hidan/Ube is serious talent
Agreed.
I just think cohesion is an issue. Sometimes big talent doesn't work the best together.
Do they even have a coach for sure?
Indeed, I find it's really hard to pinpoint team's problems without knowing a lot of the behind the scenes because there can be a lot of talent but still not work.
That's why I'm not a fan of the calling out a single player on the team as the "weak link" so to speak and consistantly picking on them because who knows what's happening in comms that might have made questionable plays happen in the first place. ๐
I'm mainly saying cohesion because of the last few games. Like Spree leaving cart on Hollywood and being the only one on it. Or vs CoL where the spawn camp just threw them off balance for a WHILE.
Could have been off days.
Wasn't too fond of Flippy though. He seemed to be lost.
Aww yeah I have a few days of matches to catch up on
Flippy was ๐๐ป
Trying to understand if you're meme'ing.
OMG Y'ALL did you know Harbleu is now in NRG? :O
Oh shit

Rogue Faze IMT Selfless
Yeah
Fnatic
Wow
What about these randoms tho
And the Brazilian team is in it
WHAT?
And Runaway
NRG pulled out??!
Sideshow said they were gonna pull out
Fairly
Nop, Pit
I googled and read the info.
It was 2 open spots i think
There's no Brazilian team in PIT, they're in OWMM
PIT is a month long tourney in EU and NA
If Numlocked and IDDQD are moving within that time I can understand them not being able to participate.
Yeah lul
Selfless v CLG and GFE v YGGP
Is that a team?
Mid tier NA teams
Lmfao
Mid tier 
Now i get the meme i saw on Twitter
YGGP is HarryButcher's team.
Rip Fnatic
Hope they stream the Selfless game.
Mid tier NA teams showing Fnatic that they're still mid tier
Rogue's also gonna show fnatic that their mid tier in the monthly melee
l0l
Man, this tweet is gonna be on haffi's ass for a while
How much you guys reckon it will take for Fnatic to do an NRG and swap half their roster?
Fnatic kinda went to shit after iddqd left
I mean they were honestly really good before the huge IDD to Haffi downgrade
Probably one more loss.
They could still play tank meta
I mean if they get straight bodied in OMM
But now they're kinda fucked tbh
Maybe sooner rather than later
I don't think they can go internationally with tank comp and do well.
KDP is pretty hardcore.
KD Panthera has improved so much compared to S1
KDU is also on the right path to improve even more too.
I kinda wish West teams had more sister teams.
Well, they're rip now 
But wouldn't work with OWL
LGE vs LGL 2.0?






