esports-discussion

[wanton bronze]

Stalker

[toxic yacht]

Reb is plat

[opaque owl]

cuz

[quartz wren]

reb is gold

[wanton bronze]

👀

[toxic yacht]

Sorry, gold, lol

[clever wagon]

IT'S UNFAIR THAT A TEAM OF FRIENDS GET SNIPED BY 6 STACKS LIKE THIS

[toxic yacht]

HARB YOU'RE GOING TO BE SUCH A GREAT TEAM... FRIEND

[vestal mortar]

That was one of my favourite lines :' )

[toxic yacht]

Also, can we say that NRG was the second team to take a map off Rogue, lol

But yeah, Rogue would have won if they had tryharded from the beginning

[clever wagon]

Whoa shit

[vestal mortar]

Ehh I am not so sure. I feel like if Rogue were tryharding from the beginning then NRG and friends would have adjusted to that.

[clever wagon]

Have to jot down that NRG and friends

[vestal mortar]

😉

"friends"

[toxic yacht]

Sorry, and "friends"

They're friends, so they haven't been scrimming, amiright?

[balmy wolf]

so this friday envy vs lh right?

[toxic yacht]

Yep

[balmy wolf]

im pretty sure ptr build will be out too this friday

they usually patch ptr on friday right?

[vestal mortar]

Tourney realm is on the old patch

[balmy wolf]

ik

[wanton bronze]

I dont think they have set days for ptr patching

[vestal mortar]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[toxic yacht]

Inb4 patch makea nV beat LH

[vestal mortar]

ptr seems to just update whenever

[toxic yacht]

Like, exactly this happened with Rogue in S1

They aced their group, could pick anyone, took nV and lost, on Friday, after the new patch hit, lul

[vestal mortar]

https://twitter.com/EnVy_Taimou/status/836778414036037632

[toxic yacht]

Well, not a repeat of S1, I guess

[vestal mortar]

Indeed

[gentle shuttle]

thank god we blizzard made a PTR so that we can test these crazy things before they go to live

oh wait

[clever wagon]

Got jump pack kills card as Winston in QP

[wanton bronze]

@gentle shuttle apparently players could send feedback to blizzard, top 500 players and pros and no one did

Mainly cause it was kind of vague

[gentle shuttle]

@wanton bronze nobody did?

idk that seems kinda

[opaque owl]

3 people did

2 days b4 patch

[wanton bronze]

A couple did apparently it was on a certain discord server and they were suppose to DM a blizz dude

Kind of easy to miss

[gentle shuttle]

as weird as that sounds, as it is

how does something like the self-heal make it beyond their own internal testing

[clever wagon]

Right

FUCK

Bastion sentry is now unkillable even with Tracer pulse bomb isn't it?

[viral ledge]

it's so dumb

https://clips.twitch.tv/CrackyAnimatedAntBlargNaut

look at this shit

the ow fucks aren't testing this game at all

they only rely on players on live

not even on players in ptr

[toxic yacht]

hanzo dragon also can't kill it

[viral ledge]

cuz they never change anything there

[toxic yacht]

also, mfw when Rax in #esports-discussion

[viral ledge]

I unmuted it

crazy right

[toxic yacht]

well, they did cap damage resistance to 70% all across the game thanks to bestion

he had 85% with nanoboost before

soooooo much better, lma

whose idea was it to have % based effects stack additively?

[gentle shuttle]

PTR seems pointless

[viral ledge]

ptr just exists to cocktease console players tbh

[balmy wolf]

Pros have no right to complain now

And "we were busy" or "we didn't know when patch would hit" is a shitty excuses

Like if blizz employee are wasting time

"we were busy".... Lmao

[wanton bronze]

People did complain thougg

A lot

Both r/overwatch and r/competitiveoverwatch had complaint posts and people were whining in general

[gentle shuttle]

here's the thing though

why are they only listening to pro's

[toxic yacht]

I mean, we wouldn't be where we are now if they had listened to pros

also, yadda yadda balance from the top, yadda yadda

[gentle shuttle]

i mean i agree you should balance games around the highest level. Im just mindfucked at how this happened

[clever wagon]

But did anybody ask for Bastion apocalypse

Or needed at all "among pros"

[toxic yacht]

bestion was literally banned in pro PUGs

because he was ruining their fun

[clever wagon]

... Huh

MoonMoon's viewer count seem to be roughly the same as Ster in general

https://puu.sh/upkwV/52d4f812f4.png haHAA

[balmy wolf]

Bastion ruin our fun, better not tell at Blizzard even if they ask us about feedback

🤦

[gentle shuttle]

[wanton bronze]

Yeah no feedback was given at all

[balmy wolf]

Talkin bout pros

[onyx hull]

overbuff leaderboards is live

[sour wraith]

been live for like an hour

gale is #4

so many bastions on that leaderboard

[fringe cape]

Stupid new meta

[sour wraith]

gale is currently the highest ranked otp

[gentle shuttle]

so how have people been countering el presidente

[balmy wolf]

God i love /r/overwatchcirclejerk

[vestal mortar]

I think after watching Seagull's stream Ana 'nade almost always destroys him

[balmy wolf]

So they introduced a broken hero that can be countered by an already broken hero instead of nerfing her

Nice

[vestal mortar]

I hope that Seagull and Dummy follow through with asking teams they're scrimming against if they can upload full videos of scrims after a certain amount of months. I am already dying for more NRG and friends, they were so fun. It'd also be really cool to see full scrim footage! 😮

[balmy wolf]

Probably not since scrims are for seriously testing out tourney strats and stuff too

[vestal mortar]

"after a certain amount of months"
They mentioned that if there was say a 6 month time buffer in between then tourney strats etc could be old/not meta anymore. So they were thinking that they could get permission to upload ones if they are old enough to not be relevant anymore.

[balmy wolf]

Oh yeah I didn't read that sorry

but then they wouldn't be educational anymore

Could still be fun

[clever wagon]

as sarcastic overwatchcirclejerk is

I felt it drained my IQ

[balmy wolf]

MoonMoon just got more than 44000 damage in a single game with Bastion

[viral ledge]

owcirclejerk is somehow the best and also the worst sub

[balmy wolf]

Yorha, i love it because it mock retards of /r/ow

And generally how shitty are the content of it

Every time i read "wrestle with jeff" meme i get cancer

Im not a normie, that's why overused meme trigger me

[toxic yacht]

I mean, shadowburn uploads scrim clips

but he usually does it from older metas

[vestal mortar]

Oooh! I wasn't aware! 😮 I am always looking for more OW stuff to have playing while I'm working.

[balmy wolf]

Almost 52000 damage??????

[viral ledge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/HumbleTardySeahorsePastaThat

[toxic yacht]

just saw this, lol

mfw Blizzard doesn't even test their own games

[onyx hull]

poor mercy

[viral ledge]

blizz is just filled with trolls that wanna see us cry

[sick musk]

the thing is

esports can't ban characters from tourneys

so there is no point to banning a certain character from pugs

if anything, they shouldn't ban him so teams can adapt more to him

their loss

[toxic yacht]

banned from pugs

not from scrims

banning a character from scrims is counterproductive

[sick musk]

Ah I was under the impression that those were the same things

[balmy wolf]

nah

pugs are pick up group scrims basically with random teams selected by captains etc etc

[sick musk]

I see

how does one participate in scrims?

[toxic yacht]

by being in a team

and scrimming vs another team to practice

[sick musk]

I see

Now

Are these only professional teams or well coordinated groups of friends as well?

Because that sounds like something my team might be interested in

[toxic yacht]

not only pros

if you have a team, just schedule a few games with another team

and use it to practice

[sick musk]

Cool, now I understand what the #lf-scrim-na channel is for now 😄

Looking forward to the next season, been a bastion main from the beginning and now I have an excuse for picking him

Do you think we will see a lot of Bastion use in upcoming tourneys?

[gentle shuttle]

wth Shadder's on Liquid

[balmy wolf]

Yeah he played in Carbon last night

[solid spear]

It's a shame apex won't be on the new patch

[gentle shuttle]

NRG humm

damn did Hex shave or something

he looks weird D:

[frank frigate]

forgot to link here when I posted this, but no meta report this week -- instead I did a statistical analysis of first point captures on KotH maps:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/5wxa3w/statistical_analysis_of_king_of_the_hill_first/

TL;DR there's a statistical significance to teams having increased winrate relative to the mean, if they capture the point first (in pro tournaments, anyway!)

[balmy wolf]

Yes @gentle shuttle

[silk linden]

did NRG announce the new lineup yet?

[solid spear]

not officially

[silk linden]

Ajax and Harb, right?

[solid spear]

thats what it seemslike itll be yes

[silk linden]

I'm watching Seagull's latest video, cheeky bastards

"It's unfair that we get matched against Rogue, we are just a couple of friends playing together"

I'll be honest, I don't know much about Ajax

[toxic yacht]

Ajax was on the most obnoxious OW team ever and the roster got split apart due to reasons

[gentle shuttle]

is there anything going on tonight chappies

[balmy wolf]

Are you a Kungarna hater?

and yeah, Carbon is in a few hours

[gentle shuttle]

dope tenks

[balmy wolf]

In more than 6 hours I believe, you're welcome

[balmy wolf]

Someome have to act like villains

I liked Kungarna doe

[sour wraith]

carbon is on the new patch right?

[balmy wolf]

Correct

[sour wraith]

so bastion, ana, mercy for every team every match

[sick musk]

Stylosa once told me team comp doesn't matter

[balmy wolf]

that guy is horrible

[sick musk]

I know

I found his rant on bastion entertaining

[balmy wolf]

its so funny

[sick musk]

so much salt

[ivory dove]

What's wrong with stylosa?

[balmy wolf]

@ivory dove he spread misinformation with 0 knowledge about the game

"FROM PLAT TO GM IN 6 MATCHES"

10 minutes of nothing just to say "fill the roles"

btw

https://twitter.com/teamOFsnow/status/837037940685570049

lol toy 😄

[vestal mortar]

That's what Toy was talking about!
Nice one! Best of luck! 😄

[balmy wolf]

Time to get to work and get an org ;>

[toxic yacht]

Congrats bby

[dusty surge]

WOOO

So I'm finding Ana bots at 150% speed are pretty good for aim training when they go all twitchy.

[balmy wolf]

Congrats @balmy wolf :3

Will you be participating a tourney anytime soon?

oh thanks ahah

and yeah hopefully soon

lots of practice to be had

We'll be rooting for you man

thanks guys 😄

[clever wagon]

Does Sty even follow the pro scene

[clever wagon]

Ohhh

Wow

Grats for getting into teamOFsnow @balmy wolf

[balmy wolf]

thanks

[solid spear]

😃

[limber pine]

Week 2 | Day 3 matches of the Carbon Series live now!

TODAY'S MATCHES:
Renegades vs Luminosity
TeamLiquid vs Immortals

Watch live at https://www.twitch.tv/carbonentertainment or at http://carbon.gg/ocs.

[dusty surge]

Bastion v Bastion all day err day

[silk linden]

Still better than 5 tanks + Ana

[dusty surge]

I dunno. So far this has been a round of "Protect the Bastion" on both sides.

Wow. 3 Bastion ults in a row.

[silk linden]

who are we rooting for?

honestly though, Genji, Tracer, Mercy, Pharah, Widow, all viable. So far this is definitely better than the previous meta

[tawdry quartz]

^

[silk linden]

the only heroes I haven't seen much that I wish were more meta are McCree and Reaper, but what can you do

[balmy wolf]

Funny you say that and aKm played both of those in the OMM

But no one else plays Reaper sadly

[silk linden]

also man the new 2cp respawn, me like

[dusty surge]

I'm rooting for meta diversity, but only if it's balanced diversity.

[balmy wolf]

McCree is still used in Apex, if quite rarely

[silk linden]

I also wished Mei were more meta

[balmy wolf]

aKm and Grim run McCree quite a lot too but they're favouring 76 now

[dusty surge]

Reaper is seeming more and more like a hero that's perfectly viable, but requires too much effort relative to other heroes given how people play.

[balmy wolf]

why blizzard?

[dusty surge]

And Mei is totally viable.

[balmy wolf]

this meta will give me cancer

[silk linden]

Mei is niche, which is better than nothing

[dusty surge]

lol Bastion + Torb

[silk linden]

she's good at her niche

she'll never be a main dps, which is fine honestly

[balmy wolf]

bastion is invincible

[silk linden]

@balmy wolf if you didn't get cancer from the Fat meta, you won't get it now

[dusty surge]

No projectile DPS will ever be a main DPS

Hitscan is too good

[silk linden]

not even pharah?

[balmy wolf]

tbh tank meta > bastion meta

[silk linden]

hell naw

at least you see more picks now

tank meta was literally always the same 6 heroes

and Ana was the most cancer hero in the history of the game

even worse than infinite range Mercy Rez and McSniper

[balmy wolf]

Ana still continues to be cancer.exe

Thanks Blizzard

what was meta before ana?

back in season 1

mada mada?

[dusty surge]

Genji crutching

Well

[silk linden]

I can't remember, S1 was no hero limits?

[dusty surge]

There was also the literal 2-2-2

[balmy wolf]

Indeed

God Comp

[dusty surge]

Tracers, Winstons, Lucios

[silk linden]

Discord Orb

[balmy wolf]

God Comp was only run on koth though

And then 2 zen, 2 genji, 1 sym and 1 whatever else

[silk linden]

S1 was a meme

fun, but nothing to reflect on

[balmy wolf]

Well the no LoS zen orbs, 75 shields, and higher damage double Genji was pretty fucked

God Comp was just anoying

So annoying

[silk linden]

Tracer was unkillable

[balmy wolf]

This was back before S1

When I'm talking about Metas in here its the pro scene metas

nano bastion vs. nanon bastion gg blizzard

[silk linden]

robotist

Omnics have rights too

also how is TempoZP not dead of exhaustion, the man is always working

[balmy wolf]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/5wx3te/every_game_has_become_about_either_protecting/

^

[silk linden]

whiners

"Every game has become about destroying reinhardt's barrier"
"Every game has become about killing Ana"
"every game has become about neutralizing soldier"

Metas evolve and have central picks, so what

[balmy wolf]

#overwatch

[silk linden]

Even in pro games, if the main objective becomes "dealing with the bastion", so what? So far that hasn't meant staleness, which is all I hope for

[balmy wolf]

In the Pro Scene, its never been "you have to focus this one target first or you will lose"

Except for the small period where Mercy had rez twice every fight

Like when 76 was just buffed or Ana was at the peak of her overpoweredness

You could win a fight without your entire team focusing that one hero

[spring lintel]

Bastion doesnt always work

High risk high reward in esport

[silk linden]

the risk isn't as high anymore

[spring lintel]

In esport it is

You might not be able to do anything at all but feeding the enemy team

[silk linden]

it's still safer than it used to, while the damage is basically the same

and the Recon mode is viable

[spring lintel]

Yeah it is definitely better

[fallen nimbus]

protecting bastion comps are asking to get dived lol

[spring lintel]

^

And not many people know how to dive

[digital torrent]

My opinion may be shit because I only played against bronze players right now

[fallen nimbus]

people are going to learn tho

[digital torrent]

But even they had no problem to kill me

[spring lintel]

Yeah

[fallen nimbus]

just like dealing with bastion 1.0

[digital torrent]

While I was being protected by reinhardt and healed by mercy

[fallen nimbus]

playerbase gets smarter

[digital torrent]

They just broke the shield, sleeped me and that was it

[fallen nimbus]

and ana cucks bastion

[digital torrent]

Bronze players

[fallen nimbus]

sleep

or

nade the bot

gg ez

[digital torrent]

I can agree on one thing

[fallen nimbus]

and since bastion has the team around him

[digital torrent]

Ironclad shouldn't affect crits

[fallen nimbus]

that's a free win

[balmy wolf]

I'm sorry, but you cannot compare Bronze matches to the highest level of play

That just doesn't work

[digital torrent]

People said that bastion would wreck low level

But this isn't the case

[balmy wolf]

I dont care about that dude

[fallen nimbus]

bastion has always rekt low levels

[balmy wolf]

That shit is for #overwatch

Not #esports-discussion

[fallen nimbus]

anything rekts lower levels if left uncontested

[balmy wolf]

So go over there and talk about Bastion and complain about the ranking system like everyone else

[digital torrent]

My point was that if lower levels can deal with it, why can't the top just learn to deal with it ?

[silk linden]

because top levels are better at playing bastion

they don't just stand in the same spot in sentry mode

[opaque owl]

They can aim for one

[silk linden]

watch seagull's vids

yeah also that ^

[opaque owl]

Oh and their team-mates can aim

And position

[balmy wolf]

These points and more are why you cannot compare the lowest level to the highest level of play

The skill difference is absolutely massive

That's like saying "Junkrat dominates in Silver, why don't Pro teams run him?"

[silk linden]

oh hey there's a McCree

I wonder what's the specific reasoning behind picking McCree on Dorado defense

other than "I like playing him more than 76"

which is honestly a valid reason

[balmy wolf]

You're better on him

That's why you see guys like aKm and Grim run McCree

Where other teams would always run 76 over McCree

Because they are players that excel at McCree

[silk linden]

yeah, exactly

[balmy wolf]

Not gonna lie, J3sus should have gone 76

[opaque owl]

Is carbon still on

[balmy wolf]

His McCree isnt good enough to deal with LG

Yeah @opaque owl

RNG vs LG

[silk linden]

still, in an "ideal" situation where everyone can play any hero, what does McCree bring? Flashbang I guess

[balmy wolf]

4th match

Well if everyone can play every hero really really well

Then there's no reason to pick McCree over 76

[silk linden]

yeah

[spring lintel]

Wow a 6k from ube

[balmy wolf]

76 has a heal, more mobility, a better ult, burst

McCree just has a stun

And a shitty ult

[spring lintel]

Yeah he needs a better kit

Or an improved one

[silk linden]

with all those things in his favor, I wonder if it's even fair for 76 to have a better falloff range than McCree

[balmy wolf]

Probably not

Thing is though

Even with all the one ups he has on McCree

McCree was played all the time before he was buffed

and the only thing the buff changed was his damage

His spread even got a nerf

iirc

[silk linden]

he spreads more

but you can still tap

[fallen nimbus]

eh

only thing I would change for McCree is maybe making FTN useful

otherwise, he's fine tbh

[silk linden]

still, we're talking competitive here, and we ask ourselves why would a team pick him over 76

as of now, there's no real valid reason

[fallen nimbus]

better burst damage

CC via flashbang

a better duelist than 76

[silk linden]

who's dueling though. It's a team game, and McCree is hardly a flanker

[fallen nimbus]

still got better burst damage assuming if you land your shots

flash can stop flankers in their tracks

76 is better vs heavy tanks comps

thing is tho

nanovisor is great

so the McCree has to be on fire

to gain the full value

[silk linden]

nanovisor is more than great, it's broken

[fallen nimbus]

eh

got tons of counterplay

not as bad as beyblade

[silk linden]

"not as broken as this other thing" still pretty broken

[fallen nimbus]

well

you can say that with any ult +nano

and rein shield still laughs at it

lets not talk about Ana being busted as fuck

honestly

it depends on the player tbh

[silk linden]

anyway, RNG won

[fallen nimbus]

McCree has better burst damage

while 76 has to use the rockets to finish off his foes

reason why 76 is ran more cause of nanovisor

[balmy wolf]

k im done with this match

did liquid and imm. already play?

Nope

Thats up next

cmon immortals

the champs

[quasi python]

shadder Lul

so bastion is op now?

[balmy wolf]

Yus

[digital pond]

Did Spree play better?

On like not Zarya

[iron cedar]

Immortals won

[spring lintel]

Agilities went off

[iron cedar]

damn these repsawn timers tho

[spring lintel]

What were the changes?

[iron cedar]

https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/blog/20580588

[spring lintel]

Okay

[iron cedar]

Id is a pretty good reaper

[balmy wolf]

iddqd is gonna bastion

hopefully

[spring lintel]

What?

Iddqd isnt playing

[balmy wolf]

It's a twitch chat meme

ID = Iddqd

Also this Dive defense

nice hook

LUL

y'know

the more and more i watch gaming esports the more i realize this isn't a serious tournament and is more just two teams having a fun time

wot

jfc Grim carrying so hard

pew pew

This dive defence

why

And they just gave them loads of free push

wow

gg

LMAO

gg

LULQUID

that was a roll

that last push

azk got like 3

They were defending like they didnt have to hold 1st point

ehh its fine we'll hold em at the hanger

[forest raven]

Week 2 of the Carbon Series Group Stage:

Hammers 3 - 1 Luminosity
Renegades 2 - 3 compLexity
Liquid 0 - 3 compLexity
Immortals 1 - 3 Hammers
Renegades 3 - 1 Luminosity
Liquid 1 - 3 Immortals

Hammers Esports hold first place 4-0
Renegades hold second place 3-1
Immortals hold third place 2-2

[balmy wolf]

OI

[forest raven]

@edgy remnant Can I get a pin please

😉

[balmy wolf]

fuk u

I didnt even know this weeks matches were over

Also IMT and coL are tied for 3rd

@forest raven

you pleb

[forest raven]

IMT is +2 coL is -2

[balmy wolf]

wat

[forest raven]

IMT is 9-7 and coL is 6-8

[balmy wolf]

Why are they higher on carbon.gg?

[forest raven]

I'm getting my info from liquid wiki

[clever wagon]

Can someone link me miro's winston clip on ilios

[forest raven]

https://clips.twitch.tv/BlightedSpoopyAlligatorKreygasm @clever wagon

[clever wagon]

Thanks

[forest raven]

np fam

[toxic yacht]

Guys

We finally saw a first person sword from ube

[toxic yacht]

https://clips.twitch.tv/MushyAstuteDinosaurUnSane

[drowsy arrow]

wowza

dat emote tho

[spring lintel]

Seed

[toxic yacht]

btw, ube didn't get potg for this

someone with 1 kill got it

[balmy wolf]

thats a feelsbad

[toxic yacht]

oh, sorry, ube did get it

but for something much less impressive

feelsbad

[balmy wolf]

blows my mind how it does that sometimes

if one person kills all 6 people that should be potg no matter what, its a damn full team kill

[spring lintel]

Is apex going to be tmw?

[toxic yacht]

yup, pretty much. Baffles me what gets potg at times, lul

yup, nV vs LH tomorrow

[forest raven]

Grats on getting a spot on teamOFsnow @balmy wolf

[spring lintel]

DAMn it's gonna be good

[balmy wolf]

thanks draw

it was hard as shit lol

[forest raven]

Excited to see you guys perform

[spring lintel]

Is it just 1 match?

[balmy wolf]

yeah im excited too, we're getting to work really soon so we can play our first tournament so im hype

[spring lintel]

Congrats

[forest raven]

Tomorrow is Lunatic-Hai vs. EnVyUS and KongDoo Uncia vs. RunAway @spring lintel

[spring lintel]

Is this a new team?

[balmy wolf]

its this https://twitter.com/teamOFsnow/status/837037940685570049

[toxic yacht]

you're a dps, right?

[spring lintel]

A genji main no less

[balmy wolf]

projectile dps

but i can hitscan as well

[toxic yacht]

tfw ow is your first fps

and you're in a team

[balmy wolf]

ive been working hard man haha

[spring lintel]

Toy do you stream?

[balmy wolf]

yeah I do, twitch.tv/adamtoy

Who are the rest of the guys

[forest raven]

One of them's the former flex/offtank for eLevate

Can't say I've heard of eLevate

[balmy wolf]

None of them are listed as being on the team

chrono was shotcaller for ASU in tespa collegiate, bikeage has played for like thc, 20 tick etc, redstart is from ladder I think? i didnt know redstart until this so

yehhh played for elevate in like season 1 for a short time from what he tells us

ngl, I thought manOFsnow would be on teamOFsnow

[forest raven]

He's the coach I assume

[balmy wolf]

Well yeah but

meh whatever

I guess he wants the management of this team to be better than the management of RNG

[forest raven]

Yeah lol

@balmy wolf Can you say what tournies you guys want to compete in?

[balmy wolf]

uhh if i knew I would tell you but we haven't talked about that yet

[forest raven]

Right

[balmy wolf]

when I figure out what first tourney we're gonna enter ill be able to say

[forest raven]

👌

[balmy wolf]

right now he just wants to get into scrims and start building synergy and stuff so

[gentle shuttle]

Crashed out before Carbon rip

[inner hamlet]

Have there been any pro matches on the new patch yet?

[opaque owl]

carbon last night

[inner hamlet]

How much play did Bastion see?

[forest raven]

Hammers used Bastion on Hollywood attack

Both coL and Liquid used Bastion for about five minutes before switching off

@inner hamlet

[clever wagon]

I have to catch up with pretty much the whole of Carbon..

https://puu.sh/uqPCb/eed11b5633.png

EU times for SEA

[balmy wolf]

I'm not even gonna bother until the play offs

[toxic yacht]

Lol, same here, not watching all of that

[clever wagon]

I need to see ma Hammers bois

That said

Shit the sound for Immortals v Hammers is botched af

Running meme Behemoth payload comp

Twitch shit saying Jake "is not good at bastion"

Literally got past 2nd point Hollywood with 4 minutes left and finished with 1:57 left

GOD the more I watch Hammers the more I love them

PRESSURING IMMORTALS AT SPAWN FOR 2 MINUTES

Immortals really only got past 2nd point because of Hammers' constant overextension

Hammers overpowering the 2cp bandaid treatment

[rapid oxide]

Hammers improved a lot

Want to see them facing Fnatic

And destroy them

[solid spear]

Ah yes

With Haffi talking so much shit lol

[clever wagon]

Totally all for that

Now, you see

[toxic yacht]

tfw people start a sentence but never finish

[solid spear]

I'm waiting too fam

[balmy wolf]

Gankyou WHY?

[clever wagon]

Ah

yeah

The mentality

LOL

Jake > Hafficool

More like HaffiTILT

[rapid oxide]

Haffinoob

Yeah, sojum, i hate when people don't finish their sentence, it's really

[solid spear]

Lol how are you gonna say that and then you

[toxic yacht]

Man, you guys are

[viral ledge]

I love

[solid spear]

Candy

[vestal mortar]

One of my favourite things about Overwatch esports is

[balmy wolf]

Stop meming, this is a

[gentle shuttle]

afternoon

catching up on the vod too

[clever wagon]

Holy fuck WHAT HAVE I--

[solid spear]

Oh good afternoon Zoro

[rapid oxide]

Anyone knows if Connorj and the other one i forgot are still trialing with auTSM?

[solid spear]

No idea what him and b1am are up to

[clever wagon]

Jake going off with Genji catching IMT off guard

MAH MAN

Jake on Genji and on Pharah is like aKm

Immortals "choked"

[rapid oxide]

Didn't know why they didn't get invited in nge

:c

C9 and fnatic had to stay

Especially fnatic

But... They would lose anyway

[clever wagon]

Did Jake peak at 4824 with Genji...?

[toxic yacht]

@solid spear tfw sweet guy

👀

[solid spear]

👀

[rapid oxide]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753425533?page=2#post-36

BASTION CHANGES INCOMING

[solid spear]

REJOICE

[rapid oxide]

Even jeff think bastion is op lol

[balmy wolf]

Do you think it will be another D.Va?

Or will they actually do it right this time?

[solid spear]

What the nerf?

[digital pond]

"We'll put it on PTR so if the nerf is too harsh we don't have to care about the feedback"

"We'll push it through anyway and wait"

[solid spear]

Idk how they'll do it I just know anything said about ptr

Will be ignored

[balmy wolf]

I just hope it isnt another D.Va situation

[digital pond]

Good chance it;; ne

[silk linden]

that's just how Blizzard do balance, isn't it

taking turns at being OP

[balmy wolf]

D.Va was special

In that she got all her buffs + a health buff

she didnt need the health buff

so then they decide to have it stay at 600

but give her less armour

so she was then useless again

until her DM got buffed this patch

She's still useless

I feel no changes to her DM whatsoever

[solid spear]

I miss the Armor

She's always been armor based

Even when she was bad

So it's weird

[balmy wolf]

She still melts in seconds if more than 1 hero is firing at her without her DM up

[solid spear]

They should probably still do for her what they did for Winston and reduce the crit hurtbox

Idk why they haven't when I've always heard D.Va players complain about it but never Winston

[balmy wolf]

Also you can shoot through her DM now

[solid spear]

Well that's a bug that I assume Will be fixed soon

[balmy wolf]

You can shoot through her DM if you're shooting from behind another player

I dont know if you have to be standing behind Reinhardt or if the hero shooting has to be Bastion but yeah

[rapid oxide]

Dva ia fine now

Is

[digital pond]

I'm laughing that thje winston hitbox issue went through

Cause people talked about it before ptr patch went live

Then jeff goes "giff feedback plz"

[clever wagon]

https://clips.twitch.tv/BlitheSwissGiraffeArgieB8 LUL

[balmy wolf]

I tested it when the update first went Live

Dont know about now

[clever wagon]

IMT just couldn't decisively take first point

[balmy wolf]

But Winstons whole right arm is a crit spot now

while crouching

[digital pond]

Rob healed the shit out of Jake

[solid spear]

This patch is really buggy in general

[balmy wolf]

Winston feels more tanky now, it's a good buff

[solid spear]

If they aren't listening to feedback and the patch still launches with bugs what's the point of PTR

[balmy wolf]

Also D.Va's critbox is 3x as large as monkey's old one

[solid spear]

They were actually pretty similar size I think

But one is center mass

Making it such an easy target

[clever wagon]

Is Jake potentially one of NA top Genji now

[balmy wolf]

And D.Va is almost completely immobile while fire

There wasnt really much competition to begin with @clever wagon

[clever wagon]

I mean Ube for one also got the hype at some point, at least in this chat right

But idk

[balmy wolf]

Gankyou you really turned into a Hammers fanboy >w>

[clever wagon]

There's that Ginger guy on reddit and then there's Jake

YES I AM

So hype

I mean how could I not

They just popped off in January AMM, first tourney as Hammers

2nd place in Feb AMM just because of Rogue

And now popping off in OCS

[balmy wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221689258476306433/286917562946682890/unknown.png @toxic yacht

Why didnt it embed

[clever wagon]

Aha

That's why it's broken

I thought it's just me

[toxic yacht]

it didn't embed because your link is kill

[silk linden]

^

[balmy wolf]

SHE'S HERE

i just woke up and theres a god damn new hero on a thursday

Just PTR

but SHE'S HERE

[onyx hull]

cool skins

[balmy wolf]

I'm downloading the PTR now

If she's good I might use her beside Mercy and Lucio after D.Va

[gentle shuttle]

Veex - Today at 5:21 PM
that's just how Blizzard do balance, isn't it
taking turns at being OP

i think you have a good point. People tend to get bored of balanced games after a while

flavour-of-the-month balancing is okay but god damn

lets dial back self-heal a touch

[balmy wolf]

Less self healing and less reduced damage should do it for him

Because he'll still get usage since he can break through Orisa's and Rein's barrier so quickly

[gentle shuttle]

aye

[balmy wolf]

That's probably why he got buffed so much, in anticipation of the new hero

and thankfully they're already testing nerfs

Is the Bastion nerf on the PTR now too?

[gentle shuttle]

i even get into training brother :C

servers broke

[balmy wolf]

I just want to see her comestics tbh lol

[silk linden]

I saw them, they are ok

[onyx hull]

orisa will be the ana of tanks

[balmy wolf]

Please no

Her ults seems pretty useless on attack

[silk linden]

you could drop it on the payload

[balmy wolf]

her ult could be pretty useful on 2cp 2nd points if you put it down on point

it might get focused down it might not

could be useful tho

I don't know how much health it has exactly but it gets destroyed quite easily I think

[onyx hull]

i think it's buggy on ptr, i'm seeing both her ult and the ult's 'chains' friendly-colored

[fallen nimbus]

back to quad tank meta

[rapid oxide]

more hyped for nV-LH tomorrow than Orisa

[fallen nimbus]

I'm ready for months of quad tank part whatever

[stuck vessel]

anyone know what pros think about bastion as of now? 🤔

[solid spear]

most of them hate him

idk how they feel after the recent nerf...if that changes their opinion at all

[iron cedar]

Hmm, I wonder who is gonna be the #1 Orisa player
🤔

[clever wagon]

Either hate or really don't care to play Bastion

Because of the same reason: way busted and not fun

It's official now

Really hoping for the day the boys hit international scene

[balmy wolf]

@solid spear who is this on ur profile pic? So cool :)

[solid spear]

oh its a girl from sweet guy lol

its a nsfw thing though just warning

[balmy wolf]

Oh lol still cool

[clever wagon]

It's a pr0nhwa

(pr0n manhwa)

[solid spear]

tviq exposed me earlier I didnt expect anyone to notice lol

[jovial eagle]

can the argument be made that overwatch can't be taken too seriously as a competitive esport title?

iwas just thinking about it

[balmy wolf]

@jovial eagle why not

[jovial eagle]

consider the amount of tweaks and new content it's been having

that constantly shifts the balance of the game

it's just a thought of mine

[balmy wolf]

Its still a new game whaz would u expect + these changes make esports interesting

[jovial eagle]

most competitive sports and esports are relatively stable in terms of content and rules

i suppose

[balmy wolf]

Everyone has to adapt sometimes

[jovial eagle]

sometimes yes, but this is too often

it's a new game is kinda th eargument for it

but im afraid it might be a turnoff for some

[balmy wolf]

Ye they have to balance casual players and esports players wishes

Well see

[jovial eagle]

indeed

[clever wagon]

@solid spear The case with pr0nhwa is they have gorgeous art but the majority have frustrating plots in various ways, Sweet Guy being an example

But back to OW esports

Is there any Carbon today

[balmy wolf]

No

Not until next week

@solid spear What did TviQ do?

[solid spear]

oh Im talking about our Tviq here...he just knew wheere my icon was from

@clever wagon no Carbon tl next week but Apex tomorrow morning/later in the day depending on where you are

[clever wagon]

You mean Sojum

[balmy wolf]

Oh you mean Sojum

lol

[clever wagon]

Thanks, I know Apex schedule just fine

Haha

No way I wouldn't know LH v NV

[balmy wolf]

If you use Chrome you should install the Gosu Matchticker extension

[clever wagon]

Just realized, Sojum knew...? Lol

[balmy wolf]

so you know when all the matches are on

[solid spear]

yeah Sojurn I thought it was implied I was talking about him

and yeah he knew

[balmy wolf]

Well everyone just calls him Sojum

[solid spear]

hes Tviq

:3

[balmy wolf]

he's a plat genji though

[solid spear]

Polo pls

and yeah he knew lol

[clever wagon]

Also @balmy wolf thanks for the suggestion I'll install later

[balmy wolf]

👍🏻

[edgy remnant]

look who it is

[balmy wolf]

TIME TO WATCH MY BOY JEHONG WHORE OUT ON AMD SPONSORS

[clever wagon]

DADDY IS AN AMD SELLOUT

I guess Ryzen it is then when I can upgrade

[jovial eagle]

if you do more than gaming like streaming and such

ryzen is terrific

if you're just gaming

stick to an i5

[weary fossil]

i'd wait for more reviews

all reviews have been done on the same asus board

at least i wouldn't rush out buying a new pc right now

[clever wagon]

Happy SEA life is only being able to get second tier brand GTX 1060 and i5-6400 with 900 usd worth of local money

[weary fossil]

just wait for more hardware configs being tested as the ryzen reviews for games don't make a ton of sense

if you compare it to results of other tests not quite gaming related

i feel like there is quite some things that will still change with updates

i wouldn't expect it to beat Intel but the framerate differences should be a lot closer

[edgy remnant]

Yeah, not to drag chat off topic but there's a massive difference in benchmark results - seemingly BIOS related. People seem to be getting very good results on the Gigabyte boards but not so good ones on the Asus boards.

[balmy wolf]

Admin continuing Off Topic derailment

im reporting you to the Super Admins

[clever wagon]

Admin is supporting the off topic

[spring lintel]

Guys what do you think of orisa esport wise?

Will she be like lucio and rein?

90% pick rate?

Specially for her fortify ability

[forest raven]

Lucio and Rein have fallen out of S tier

[spring lintel]

Yeah

But you guys know what I mean

[balmy wolf]

Rein is hovering around 70-80%

I doubt Orisa will see that much play

Maybe C tier

[spring lintel]

He damage is insane

Her*

If not nerfed then she will be powerful at providing shields and doing dps

She can prevent all kinds of ccs

Which makes rein's earth shatter harder

[balmy wolf]

Shatter goes through her

[spring lintel]

But rein cant proceed to team wipe

He will be gunned down by her

[balmy wolf]

If he got everyone else down but her he could just wipe them with his team

[forest raven]

After seeing some number crunching on the cow subreddit, her shield seems more oriented towards blocking poke damage rather than focus fire like Rein

[solid spear]

It's hard to say how good shell be I don't want to make serious judgements bcuz once upon a time I thought sombra would be good

[spring lintel]

This hero will be good af

[solid spear]

I don't think shell see as much play as Rein though

[forest raven]

I mean no one besides Lucio does

So that's a good call to make

[solid spear]

Well Ana

[spring lintel]

She will be like zarya

[solid spear]

Eh Zaryas usage isn't far off from Reins

And she like is gonna wanna be used a lot of the time Rein is

Well see though

[spring lintel]

Ya she isnt even out for a day yet

Her alternative fire is another cool thing

[weary fossil]

i hope they reduce her ammo

at the current discharge rate it feels like you can shoot it for way too long until you need to reload

[solid spear]

I will admit 16 seconds of nonstop fire is pretty dumb

[weary fossil]

giving people very little room to "breath" or whatever youd call it

imagine solider having 50 ammo

no reloading would make it so much easier to kill way more people

even just 30 ammo would let me kill more people compared to 25 with my not so decent aim

im not sure how low her ammo needs to be but at least as it is right now, it's too much

[spring lintel]

Blizz are lowering ttk slowly

So i doubt that they are going to nerf her dmg

But I wonder why are they doing it

They are slowly adding CSgo to the mix

[stark thicket]

Anyone know when is envyus match?

is it today

[forest raven]

Yep, in just under three hours @stark thicket

[stark thicket]

Thanks!

[balmy wolf]

Can't wait to see them get stomped

[forest raven]

👀

[digital pond]

I wanna see what the koreans will dow ith bastions

Always nice to see what other regions do.

[balmy wolf]

Apex isnt on the new patch

[digital pond]

Thank fuck.

_>

[balmy wolf]

lul

[digital pond]

I was annoyed that Carbon ended on the new patch.

[toxic yacht]

inb4 af blue makes it to the finals again

because arhan cheeses with bastion

[balmy wolf]

Afreeca Freecs Blue?

More like

Afreeca Freecs Poo

[toxic yacht]

I swear, if AF Blue makes it to the finals with bastion cheese and misfits gets kicked in the groups...

[digital pond]

Lmao will you tilt harder than Fnatic?

[toxic yacht]

Probably

[digital pond]

Ouch

[balmy wolf]

Hafficool?

More like

Haffitool

[forest raven]

I can't wait for Fnatic and Haffi "mid NA teams" cool to get rekt by Hammers

[toxic yacht]

Haffiuncool

lol, Fnatic became shit after the last patch

like, fnatic are meta slaves

they do the meta super well

but somehow they decided to stop

and now look at them

they'll get so rekt when they go back to NA

[balmy wolf]

Why couldnt Iddqd just stay with them

[forest raven]

You think IMT can take them?

Rogue and Hammers will easily

[balmy wolf]

Buds and Iddqd were my favourite DPS combo

[forest raven]

But now idd's on NRG

So it's all good

[balmy wolf]

Yeah, I'll actually like NRG now

I wont just watch Enigma and Seagull struggle to carry dead weight

[forest raven]

lul

[balmy wolf]

Seagull, Iddqd, Harb, Ajax, Numlocked and Dummy

[forest raven]

Hopefully C9 is back for March's OMM

Rogue, Hammers, C9 and NRG

[jovial eagle]

harb has yet to confirm hasn't he

[balmy wolf]

Honestly I think Fnatic is still a good team

They're kind of like Reu

In that

They got weaker when they lost their all star DPS

But Reu got hit a lot harder

[jovial eagle]

in the "NRG and friends" placements stream they were all super excited with harb's ability to hook tracer willy nilly

and someone said "harb you're gonna make such a good friend"

they all laughed

illuminati confirmed

[balmy wolf]

I have insider info

But its basically already confirmed anyway

The whole confirmed roster + Harb and Ajax, who we know they have been trialing, all playing placements on stream

[forest raven]

RIP Nesh

[balmy wolf]

Yeah dude

Poor Nesh

Had a good chance at getting in

and then Harb became a free agent

[toxic yacht]

Then harb just had to come

[balmy wolf]

[toxic yacht]

i hope they get a team friendhouse

[balmy wolf]

It's already been confirmed they'll have an office

and all live in separate appartments

[jovial eagle]

i wonder if seagull has meetings with shaq

that'd be rad

[forest raven]

Can't believe FaZe doesn't have a teamhouse or an office yet

They would profit the most from it

[balmy wolf]

I feel like they have the funds too

[forest raven]

I'm sure FaZe is loaded

nV, C9, NRG

Any other teams with a teamhouse/office

?

[balmy wolf]

Rogue

[forest raven]

Oh yeah

Misfits will in the near future when they move to Miami

[drowsy arrow]

I thought faze had a team house?

or is that only for da sniper clan

[balmy wolf]

da sniper klan

[spring lintel]

When will teamofsnow play?

I like to watch new teams play

[clever wagon]

Probably not that soon

[toxic yacht]

and if they'd put their roster into the house, have fun practicing with retarded kids playing pranks on each other

[clever wagon]

Reading babies on r/ow is fun

[balmy wolf]

nV will beat LH today

[clever wagon]

o.O

[balmy wolf]

I said that

Because I'm hopeful

[clever wagon]

I'm also a LH fanboy but it would be too many characters to put in my nickname

I'm a sad boi

[balmy wolf]

Unfortunate

[clever wagon]

Discord is broken and unusable for it

Let me have enough character slot pls

[sterile swift]

Whats a team house?

Is it like a net cafe in the US?

[forest raven]

A house where all members of a team live together

[clever wagon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzybzqoGaqY

[forest raven]

Allows for team chemistry to grow faster, and everyone plays in the same area so it's easier to communicate

Some teams have apartments and an office

Allows for more privacy

[clever wagon]

NiP though

:/

[forest raven]

[toxic yacht]

I love NiP :/

pls play more

[clever wagon]

Move to NA scene

Ayy

[toxic yacht]

NiP is a swedish org iirc

moving would be a bit eh, but they can afford it

I mean, if Misfits and Dignitas can be EU, NiP can also be NA

[forest raven]

APEX in 15 minutes https://www.twitch.tv/ognglobal

[balmy wolf]

time to watch my boys Envy drown in their shallow hero pool

[drowsy arrow]

looooool

[clever wagon]

Ouch @balmy wolf

Ice cold truth though

[balmy wolf]

kek

[clever wagon]

Time to face what nV missed on their way to win S1

The true, biggest, most difficult enemy

[forest raven]

Eh, season 1 LH isn't as strong as season 2 LH

No Zunba or Whoru

In a meta that didn't really favour their dive

[clever wagon]

Still 10min what do

META AIN'T GONNA HELP U THIS TIME nV

[forest raven]

Make some sort of beverage to enjoy during the show

[clever wagon]

NO BASTION

CAN'T STILL IN CLASS

[forest raven]

rip

[clever wagon]

I USUALLY PREPARE SOME EVENING SNACK WITH HOT TEA FOR GREAT GAMES

BUT THAT WAS WHEN CLASSES HAVEN'T STARTED

Woah wht the fuck

The fuck is this ad lol

Like going back to that 60-70s VW ad

[forest raven]

DXRACER

[toxic yacht]

I mean, LH beat nV in season 1

then the whole mickie thing happened

I'm exceited about their rematch

[clever wagon]

GOTTA GET THAT GAMING CHAIR TO HAVE GOOD AIM

DXRACER OR MAXNOMIC

(unironically knows the brands)

[toxic yacht]

TIME 🔫 TO 🔫 WATCH 🔫 MY 🔫 BOY 🔫 TAIMOU 🔫 HAVE 🔫 GOOD 🔫 AIM 🔫

[clever wagon]

MIDDLE GIRL

Middle guy is history LUL

Except Hex, Hex is bae

[forest raven]

Hex 🙏

[clever wagon]

🔫 TIME 🔫 TO 🔫 WATCH 🔫 MY 🔫 BOYS 🔫 NV 🔫 TRY 🔫 SOME 🔫 CROSSFIRE 🔫

1 MINUTE

[forest raven]

IT BEGINS

[clever wagon]

Shit just froze

My dept.'s lab's pc is full of luls

MIROOO

[solid spear]

aye

[clever wagon]

Medium quality D:

[forest raven]

[toxic yacht]

tfw my copypaste gets no traction

brb spamming it more

[balmy wolf]

tfw mine has too many emotes in it

[clever wagon]

What copypasta sojum

I dont have twitch chat open

[toxic yacht]

TIME 🔫 TO 🔫 WATCH 🔫 MY 🔫 BOY 🔫 TAIMOU 🔫 HAVE 🔫 GOOD 🔫 AIM 🔫

this one

[balmy wolf]

TIME TO WATCH MY BOYS ENVY DROWN IN THEIR SHALLOW HERO POOL

Hoping for McCree yeah

[clever wagon]

@balmy wolf spam that in twitch chat

[balmy wolf]

cant

too many emotes

[clever wagon]

Rip

"Pretty solid"

"Pretty solid" dive masters vs shallow hero pool

:DDDD

[toxic yacht]

Taimou is 100% going McCree at some point