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balmy wolf
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Inc patch gonna fuck LH

toxic yacht
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^

forest raven
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lul

toxic yacht
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Is this APEX Season 1?

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I'm having a Deja vu

balmy wolf
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Why the hell is he still up there

forest raven
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If nV beat Lunatic-Hai

vestal mortar
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Maybe it'll be the Envyus curse

forest raven
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APEX is cursed

edgy remnant
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lmao

toxic yacht
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taimou with the trash talk

balmy wolf
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Top 10 saddest anime endings

edgy remnant
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it weakened a lot because he had to repeat it twice

dusty surge
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Yeah

toxic yacht
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tbh aKm reking taimou was more entertaining

vestal mortar
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Taimou pls

dusty surge
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The exchange and repetition is more amusing than intimidating.

stark thicket
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Taimou zaryalol

edgy remnant
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the hosts were like "he's laughing, whats this"

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because they didnt know what he was laughing at

toxic yacht
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reinforce tweeting

balmy wolf
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Reinforce

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LUL

toxic yacht
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F5ing Reinforce's twitter rn

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lol

forest raven
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This is longer than RunAway vs. Fnatic thinkingLol

toxic yacht
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lol, ArHaN

balmy wolf
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I think my mouse is broken

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O dang

toxic yacht
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meta athena wants the gg ez win

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LOL

forest raven
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Hey man

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Strategy

balmy wolf
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"We would definitely be facing Lunatic Hai"

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the roast

toxic yacht
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lol

edgy remnant
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lol

vestal mortar
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Haha

stark thicket
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LOL

toxic yacht
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aKm's roast during S1 was still the best shit ever

forest raven
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It's gonna be glorious to watch AF Blue get crushed

vestal mortar
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I love this part of APEX

toxic yacht
balmy wolf
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What was the aKm roast? @toxic yacht

forest raven
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LOL

toxic yacht
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aKm picking nV and saying that they were only the third best

forest raven
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Dnce is like "I wish C9 beat us"

vestal mortar
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LUL

balmy wolf
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lul

forest raven
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Arhan thinking he can compete zaryalol

toxic yacht
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lol

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ArHaN

balmy wolf
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"They are doomed"

forest raven
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Saebyeolbe x Re1nforce ❤

balmy wolf
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Pick panthera

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Do it

forest raven
toxic yacht
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ayy, polo, you have the link to the lunatic hai fangirls?

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the twitter image

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with the fucking massive queue

balmy wolf
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wut

toxic yacht
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uhh, it wasn't you who posted it?

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@clever wagon

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are you the one who posted the tweet?

balmy wolf
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Why cant they pick Panthera

clever wagon
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Whaa

balmy wolf
forest raven
toxic yacht
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thanks

clever wagon
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I don't remember

vestal mortar
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They can't pick Panthera because they were top of their group

forest raven
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Uncia and RunAway pogchimp

balmy wolf
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lol

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He just fucked Runaway

forest raven
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RunAway went from one KongDoo to the other

vestal mortar
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Haha

forest raven
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Now Panthera has to play LW Blue

toxic yacht
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haksal is underage

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pls no fuck

forest raven
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lul

balmy wolf
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His face

spring lintel
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Hey guys will there ever be a big tournament with all or most of the teams?

digital pond
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Maybe but I doubt any time soon. Mainly because a lot of organizers are waiting to see what the OWL looks like.

spring lintel
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Cause until now everyone is just divided and I would really like to see some awesome match ups

forest raven
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Dnce is so high @balmy wolf

spring lintel
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So like 6-8 months?

balmy wolf
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"No doubts we can dominate LW Blue and Uncia"

forest raven
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RunAway's gonna get bodied so hard

toxic yacht
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lmao

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fuckin delusional

vestal mortar
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Haha

balmy wolf
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LH-Envy would be the best 2017 match

forest raven
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Panthera v LW Blue is probably the most even matchup

balmy wolf
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I think if Panthera beats LW Blue they can easily beat Meta Athena or AF Blue

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Panthera LW Blue too

forest raven
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AF Blue isn't even a factor

balmy wolf
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Uncia and Meta will pass

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I just want to see Arhan get crushed

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lul

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same

forest raven
vestal mortar
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Oh yeah there's gonna be the new patch before these matches

balmy wolf
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how people get this fancy emotes without being nitro?

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Man looking at S1

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Reu did really well

forest raven
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I'm a Twitch sub of Mendo

balmy wolf
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oooh

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They beat KD Panthera and LW Blue

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Granted those teams were weaker in S1

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Still though

spring lintel
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Are there any matches today?

balmy wolf
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They got 3-0'd by Runaway though

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🤔

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There's 2 matches of Carbon today @spring lintel

vestal mortar
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Peeling the beans....twice!

forest raven
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@edgy remnant Can I get a pin please ^

edgy remnant
vestal mortar
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3 weeks?! Ahhh!

balmy wolf
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no nvm

toxic yacht
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lol

spring lintel
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Envy us and LH are like the most powerful right?

forest raven
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nV seems like one of the weakest

digital pond
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Iono if I would put Nv in Top 2 frankly

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Probably weakest.

vestal mortar
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Kongdoo panthera are real good

toxic yacht
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guys

spring lintel
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Wow

toxic yacht
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just because nV lost one match

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seriously?

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are you implying that they are weaker than lw blue and runaway?

spring lintel
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Their roster is so good though

toxic yacht
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like, nV throws one match

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and all of the sudden they are the wekest

digital pond
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The issue of their lost isn't the fact that they lost but the lack of flexibility in their hero pool which hurts them.

toxic yacht
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after dominating

forest raven
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I think LW Blue is better than nV

digital pond
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I'm speaking of the first group itself

forest raven
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I don't think RunAway is

digital pond
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In that group I don't think they're top 2

balmy wolf
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i agree with sojum

forest raven
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Meta Athena read nV like an open book because nV can't dive

toxic yacht
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sorry, af blue

forest raven
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At all

toxic yacht
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not lw

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lw is likely better

forest raven
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nV is better than AF Blue and RunAway

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Still puts them in the bottom 4

digital pond
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As far as Group A goes I don't think nV is top 2

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But they could make it

toxic yacht
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nV is definitely high up there

digital pond
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There's 4 teams in group A

spring lintel
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What do you guys think of rogue? Their dive is so good

toxic yacht
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not the undoubted best like usually

digital pond
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So for me they're 3rd in the group

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Until shown overwise

toxic yacht
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rogue was destroying tier 2 NA teams

digital pond
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Maybe 2.5

toxic yacht
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I'd hold my horses

forest raven
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Rogue's dive was good because they're a lot better than the other teams in the OMM

balmy wolf
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They lack the hero pool to take on Top teams

spring lintel
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Yeah they were trashing everyone

forest raven
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Rogue ran Winston, Tracer and Genji into 4 tanks and won

toxic yacht
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Like, rogue was 2/3rds of the best team in the world at some point

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and moved to NA

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which is weaker than EU

digital pond
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Hero pool is nV's biggest issue and it'll keep being a theme.

toxic yacht
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I'd be disappointed if it wasn't domination

spring lintel
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But can they play anything other than dive?

digital pond
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Well one of them.

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Who knows.

solid spear
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But can they play Bastion

digital pond
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They haven't needed to playa nything but dive

toxic yacht
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tviq could play bastion

balmy wolf
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They either didn't play anything other than Dive because they didnt need to

digital pond
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So we don't know.

toxic yacht
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too bad that he's gone

balmy wolf
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Or because they couldnt

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We dont know

forest raven
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Knoxxx and NiCO worry me

toxic yacht
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they probably only play dive because of knoxxx

digital pond
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Nico was popping off pretty hard tbh

spring lintel
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Nico is so good at genji

toxic yacht
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knoxxx can probably only play winston

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which forces them to dive

spring lintel
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Yup

forest raven
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That's bad

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Knoxxx needs to be able to Rein

digital pond
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I think Dive works for them mainly cause Knoxxx shotcalls a bit

forest raven
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When their dive inevitably hits a wall

digital pond
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And queues the dives.

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So he has more direct control.

spring lintel
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Super was a really good rein

balmy wolf
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Still no idea why they put Winz on Support

toxic yacht
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once they are figured out they'll hit a wall

balmy wolf
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I still dont get it

toxic yacht
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hammers took one map off by running quad tank + snowballing

digital pond
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What did Winz play before?

forest raven
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We need Skipjacque 👀

toxic yacht
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once rogue is figured out

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lol

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also, nV or Misfits would have destroyed them

digital pond
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I mean their comp isn't exactly rocket science

forest raven
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Hammers figured it out already

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They just didn't have the skill to execute it

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nV, Misfits

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They do

spring lintel
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Yeah

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Tanks is the way to go

forest raven
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And now, C9 probably does as well

digital pond
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Like c9 nV can probably stomp but I don't know if that'll do them any good.

balmy wolf
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Maybe Skipjack isnt joining a team because he's learning French

digital pond
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Cause the issue will always be Int. Competition.

balmy wolf
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Please let it be so

digital pond
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Stomping NA teams doesn't do much for them.

spring lintel
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Btw guys why is surefour with faze?

forest raven
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what

spring lintel
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They are so bad

digital pond
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Hopefully Harry gets to rpactice other heroes.

forest raven
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Surefour's on C9

spring lintel
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Oh nvm

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I mean shadowburn

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Meant*

forest raven
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FaZe isn't too bad

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Just half their roster is EU

spring lintel
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Yeah that's another thing. How the hell can they play?

balmy wolf
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"Lets bench 2Easy just as Dive becomes Meta again."

digital pond
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They play with bad ping

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That's how

spring lintel
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300+ ping is insane

forest raven
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FaZe play poorly because ping

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There's a reason FaZe got to the finals of MLG

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They're a legit good team

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They gotta invest in getting their roster to NA

spring lintel
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I thought it was only shadowburn

forest raven
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Nope

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Forsak3n and MikeyA are EU as well

spring lintel
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Wow

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They did really good then

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Do you guys know when nrg will start playing?

digital pond
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They haven't announced their last player yet

forest raven
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Most likely next OMM

digital pond
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So who knows

spring lintel
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Iddq and seagull is gonna be insane

forest raven
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NRG still only has 4 players on the roster

spring lintel
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They already stream together

digital pond
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In some of Dummy's videos you can see them play with Ajax pretty often

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He's on Zen i believe.

forest raven
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Ajax and Nesh are in a lot of their scrims

digital pond
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Ya

spring lintel
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Probably try outs

forest raven
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Ajax is an igl and Lucio player

spring lintel
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Secret ones

digital pond
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Doesn't mean anything

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but who knows

spring lintel
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Is mickie doing good with his team?

balmy wolf
digital pond
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Mickie is doing well but he seems super hesitant if not on D.Va imo.

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Like uncomfortable.

spring lintel
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Isnt he so good with zaraya?

digital pond
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His last Zarya game left some to desire.

forest raven
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Mickie's Zarya wasn't the greatest against Meta Athena

digital pond
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So idk

forest raven
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Especially against Hoon

digital pond
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Hoon out Zarya'ed him rather hard.

forest raven
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Hoon can probably out Zarya everyone

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Everyone besides Zunba

spring lintel
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What else can he play?

vestal mortar
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Soe getting death threats?! Noooo ;_;

spring lintel
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Mickie I mean

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Dva at her current state is okay but not a go to pick

digital pond
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She gets played a LOT in apex

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right now

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Especially on 2CP

balmy wolf
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i will protect soe! :3

spring lintel
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Really? What do they do with her?

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Like what style?

forest raven
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D.va just about won Uncia the series against C9

spring lintel
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Anything in particular?

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Her ult is something I see alot of potential in

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Specially in payloads

vestal mortar
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I don't think there was many Dva ult kills today, I think there was a lot of Gods shutting down Birdring's nano-visors

spring lintel
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I saw a match where a team literally couldnt counter mangtchu's phara

digital pond
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Yeh they use her against nano visor a lot

forest raven
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Gods got quite a few naked D.va bombs

digital pond
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And for point clearing

forest raven
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And then D.va stalled for two minutes on Eich for Uncia thinkingLol

spring lintel
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In overtime she can end the game

vestal mortar
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Yeah, I was only half paying attention because of pancakes so I might have missed some

forest raven
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C9 made a lot of small mistakes on Eich which lead to them not getting A

digital pond
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KDU was a lot more methodical than them and slow pushed everything.

forest raven
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Yeah

digital pond
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C9 kept busting their Ult load pre-emptively.

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And just lost it in the long run

forest raven
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It's because they were in two different situations

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C9 had the whole map to think about

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All Uncia had to think about was point A

vestal mortar
digital pond
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I meant it as a theme.

forest raven
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Also Bubbly getting a triple with Symm 🤔

digital pond
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KDU did the same with Anubis.

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They just slow pushed and put all the pressure on C9

clever wagon
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LH nV best match how? When nV is having difficulties with their hero pool

digital pond
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Which was smart.

forest raven
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C9 won three pushes on offence

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And it took three pushes to actually get the point

clever wagon
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With the Meta match I'm starting to kinda doubt it

digital pond
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I think Taimou could play something else, but Harry is limited.

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And it just limits the options.

toxic yacht
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mfw there is a porn sub

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but not /r/cow

thin elk
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Of course

digital pond
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There;s always a porn sub

forest raven
thin elk
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More people care about OW porn than playing the game well

digital pond
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Sounds like most online games

toxic yacht
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just saying, r/Rule34Overwatch > r/Overwatch_Porn

thin elk
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:/

limber pine
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it's based off off the title

toxic yacht
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yup

limber pine
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*off of

forest raven
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I agree with Sojum

limber pine
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also, as much as I enjoy a good OWporn talk, lets try to keep this channel esports

balmy wolf
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how cant u expect porn where widowmaker and tracer ass exist

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and dva is fucking hot

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oke

solid spear
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This is true

digital pond
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OR Mei

vestal mortar
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LUL

digital pond
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In general

solid spear
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But not esports

balmy wolf
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lets go back esport

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how much years i have to wait for the next matches btw?

forest raven
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I think it's Friday

vestal mortar
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over.gg says "The games will take place after the upcoming patch, throughout March."

digital pond
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Next Apex is in a while

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Should be some games tonight

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For NA

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iirc

solid spear
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Carbon tonight will be on the new patch right?

forest raven
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The OCS continues in like 10 hours

digital pond
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Not sure bout that one

solid spear
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El Presidente

digital pond
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That would be a huge curve ball

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But it probably will be since Carbon isn't using a client

solid spear
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Isn't it 7pm ET the patch?

digital pond
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But just custom lobbies

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Ya

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7

solid spear
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That's before the matches

forest raven
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Too bad the OCS doesn't have Selfless or Rogue :(

digital pond
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Oh boy

limber pine
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yeah matches are at 8:15 EST

digital pond
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That'll be interesting

toxic yacht
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just rewatch the entirety of ESl

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and eLeague

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while waiting for apex

solid spear
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They should just ban the omnic

toxic yacht
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I mean the entirety of the playoffs

solid spear
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Lol

spring lintel
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Is apex today?

digital pond
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Already happened

toxic yacht
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it's higher quality than most matches this year anyway

forest raven
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Group stage finished tonight

spring lintel
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Aww

toxic yacht
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tonight

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reeee timezones

forest raven
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ayy

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Check pins for quarter final matchups @spring lintel

toxic yacht
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Dates aren't written though

forest raven
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Yeah

toxic yacht
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gosu also doesn't know the upcoming dates

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rip

forest raven
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3RD MARCH

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So Friday

vestal mortar
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Woo!

toxic yacht
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also, I still find it cheap af that they moved Nanohana to LW Blue

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Nano and Pine were both in Red and lost

digital pond
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Has dates

toxic yacht
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But naaah, because Blue makes it through

digital pond
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Just not the teams listed since it's from the beginning

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v0v

toxic yacht
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they just put their best player on the team

spring lintel
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I hope they play on the new patch today

toxic yacht
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although he was technically out

digital pond
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They probably will

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Carbon is using live server custom rooms

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They don't got no choice.

spring lintel
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It's gonna be awesome!

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They will use the bastion

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He is too good to pass

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We will probably see genjis and bastions alot

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Hopefully

limber pine
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yeah, I'd be shocked to not see Bastion (barring some of his changes not making it to live)

solid spear
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Lol Bastion shits on Genji

forest raven
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I want me some Sombra to counter those Bastions

digital pond
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If it goes with PTR state bastion in sentry mode cause heal himself through genju ult anyway

spring lintel
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If you surprise a bastion you can easily take half of his health before he stops shooting

forest raven
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Not when he's EMP'd

spring lintel
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Fan dash combo and he should be dead

solid spear
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Nah

balmy wolf
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Hey guys remember when Blizz said they were changing PTR so there was more drastic changes and that most won't make it to Live?

forest raven
solid spear
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He lives that comfortably

digital pond
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If you surprise a bastion that's not getting payed to play the game

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Maybe

balmy wolf
solid spear
balmy wolf
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And then remember when all changes since then made it through?

spring lintel
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A phara would do too

forest raven
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This is all an elaborate ploy from Blizz to get more people to play Sombra

balmy wolf
digital pond
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Pharah need 5 rockets

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To kill a sentry bastion

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Like head on

spring lintel
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Damn

digital pond
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lmao

spring lintel
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Well

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Sombra it is

solid spear
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Sombra lol nah even in recon she gets bodied

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Need Hog

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Or better Bastion

digital pond
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No recoil s76 machine gun in scout form

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With no fall off damage

balmy wolf
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This new meta is gonna be Bastion, D.Va and Hog

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All day

forest raven
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Ugh

spring lintel
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A bastion with a rein is gonna be deadly and an actual strat

digital pond
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He isn't fully useless out of sentry mode lol

spring lintel
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But dive can destroy them though

digital pond
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"We buffed bastion to counter Rein, now everyone has to play Rein with Bastion"

forest raven
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tfw Blizz makes another hero only counterable by the same hero FeelsTiltedMan

spring lintel
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I mean who wins the shield fight has an advantage

digital pond
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Same as now lol

solid spear
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Eh Rein will likely go down

digital pond
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Not exactly a change

solid spear
spring lintel
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But with bastion in the mix it's gonna be super fast

digital pond
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I expect more D.Va with rein

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Instead of less rein

spring lintel
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Dva rein and bastion

solid spear
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You need Rein pretty much only so you don't get bodied by Hog

balmy wolf
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With Bastion being played you'll need Road to counter

digital pond
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Yeh

solid spear
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Which is like the closest thing to a Bastion counter

balmy wolf
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Then with Road you need D.Va to counter

digital pond
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And fucking new roadhog

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Hand his spread

spring lintel
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Or bodied by everyone, cause your an easy stationary target

digital pond
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and&

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@spring lintel A nanoboosted bastion with his passive survives d.va ult lmao

solid spear
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Well Bastion beats like damn near the whole cast 1v1

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Despite being stationary

spring lintel
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The nerfed that i think

digital pond
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No

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Even post nerf

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They only capped reduction at 85%

spring lintel
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Seriously?

solid spear
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They did but he survives with 5 still

digital pond
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70%*

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He used to get 85%

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Still survives

spring lintel
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Then I bet we will see him in carbon tonight

solid spear
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1000-70%-5 for armor

digital pond
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Someone will test it definitely tonight

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Results may vary

spring lintel
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Surprise immortal bastion rains from above, proceeds to team wipe

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Like they literally drop bastion in the middle

digital pond
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Nano boosted his tank damage is also obcene lmao

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301 per shot lmao

spring lintel
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His damage is better than soldier in recon too

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The same but with better range

digital pond
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Hum Soldier does more damage still a bit more but the difference is

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Almost no recoil and no fall off damage

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So his anti-pharah'ing is stronger

balmy wolf
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Neither have recoil

spring lintel
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No fall off?

digital pond
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No fall off

spring lintel
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Are you serious?

balmy wolf
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They both have fall off

solid spear
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He has fall off

balmy wolf
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35m

digital pond
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Never noticed bastions then

solid spear
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The same as Soldier

spring lintel
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Fall off means that when you snipe with him you get alot less damage

digital pond
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He has 5 more on soldier

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my b

spring lintel
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And bastion has self heal too

balmy wolf
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No they both have the same

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at 35m

digital pond
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Wiki says 30

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So I went off of it

spring lintel
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So soldier's only advantage is his mobility

balmy wolf
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76 has burst

digital pond
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Mobility and ult

balmy wolf
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and a better heal

solid spear
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He has immediate burst

digital pond
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And helix rocket

spring lintel
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And burst yeah

solid spear
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Much smaller hitbox

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Can shoot while healing

digital pond
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Basically it's mobility/burst vs sustain and survivability

spring lintel
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I would take bastions tank busting ability over soldier's burst any day

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Unless against dive

digital pond
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I think it depends what you're facing.

spring lintel
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Yeah

solid spear
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Well if we're strictly arguing recon vs Soldier than nah

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But the president goes sentry and doesn't die

digital pond
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And tank form does the same

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Except it one shots half the cast

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if not more

spring lintel
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Overall soldier is better in all situations but bastion is better agains quad tank

digital pond
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The only fear with dive

spring lintel
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Yup

digital pond
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Is the winston dying mid air to bastion

spring lintel
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Dive destroys bastion

digital pond
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Sentry might not headshot

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But it still shoots more bullets than winston can eat

spring lintel
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Tracer and genji will destroy him

digital pond
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Lol

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A full clip of tracer gun

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can't kill him

solid spear
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I don't think think Bastion will be THAT weak to dive

spring lintel
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Still with genji it's easy

digital pond
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Well you're assuming all bastions are gonna be retarded

#

in pro games

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And shoot into reflect

spring lintel
#

He will literally get destroyed

digital pond
#

Believe it or not some people stop shooting into reflect

spring lintel
#

Tracer and genji are incredibly hard to hit at close range

#

And bastion is so easy to hit while stationary

digital pond
#

He also heals himself for more dps than Genji;s ult can do

spring lintel
#

Reflect or not bastion will get destroyed

digital pond
#

And if you add team healers v0v

solid spear
#

Bastion can literally heal through his dps

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And laugh

spring lintel
#

Hmm

digital pond
#

Like the other day I keep referring to it

spring lintel
#

That makes it harder

digital pond
#

Gale nano visored a sentry bastion

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And almost didn't kill him lol

spring lintel
#

Still I think dive will destroy bastion

digital pond
#

I'm not excited about dive and playing winston every game

spring lintel
#

I am excited by how there is more variety now

solid spear
#

You HAVE to dedicate multiple people to try and take him down

digital pond
#

If dive becomes THE meta there isn't exactly variety

solid spear
#

And there's probably gonna be less variety

digital pond
#

Dive has way less leeway

spring lintel
#

Quad tanks win against tanks

#

If teams are even

digital pond
#

Dive has like 3 necessary things

#

Winston Tracer/Genji

#

That's already like 3 heroes locked.

spring lintel
#

Ana and lucio

digital pond
#

Third dps might get to change hero often

#

Actually zen is way more popular with it

clever wagon
#

Zarya will help more than other tanks in supporting dive

digital pond
#

Cause it allows to OS most people

spring lintel
#

Yeah against tank zen is better

digital pond
#

Nah even against squishies

spring lintel
#

But against dive he will be destroyed

digital pond
#

You can OS genji dash someone

spring lintel
#

Tracer can 1 burst zen

digital pond
#

Especially if you're on attack

#

So can tons of heroes

#

And he's still played in Dive

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A shit ton

spring lintel
#

But tracer in a very short tome

#

Time*

digital pond
#

Dive is about who dies first

#

So if it's dive v dive

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Discord orb is super popular

#

You can see it in multiple of the tournament vods

spring lintel
#

So is anti heal

digital pond
#

Yep

#

And people still dropped ana for zen

#

Every other round they could

spring lintel
#

And ana wont die as fast as zen

jovial eagle
#

im assuming ana nade disables bastion's self heal?

spring lintel
#

Sleep darts can win the whole fight

digital pond
#

I'm not saying Ana is bad.

#

I'm saying she's replaceable in dive

spring lintel
#

Yeah I know

digital pond
#

And has been replaced by teams

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In the last 2 days

#

@jovial eagle I believe so

jovial eagle
#

oh

spring lintel
#

Rogue switched to zen in the finals only because the enemy team had quad tanks

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They were playing as ana

#

I mean they had ana

digital pond
#

They also did it agaisnt IMT

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They love doing it on Koth

spring lintel
#

I just think zen will get easily destroyed because no one is around him

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Cause everyone is diving

balmy wolf
#

Unkoe played a lot of Zen

digital pond
#

That has always been Zen's issue though

#

Like it's not exactly new

spring lintel
#

In dive

balmy wolf
#

And it worked out because everyone was dying too fast to get to him

digital pond
#

^

balmy wolf
spring lintel
#

Normally he could stay around his tanks

digital pond
#

Dive v Dive is about getting kills first

spring lintel
#

The other team must have sucked

digital pond
#

Discord + Genji shuriken dash is a dead person

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Can't take damage if the enemy is dead

spring lintel
#

Tracer should find it super easy to blink to zen

digital pond
#

\0.0/

balmy wolf
#

Unkoe and NiCO just ripped through teams

digital pond
#

^

#

I mean Zen has a team

#

It's not a 1v1

spring lintel
#

But they are not around him

#

Zen cant get too close

#

While tracer and genji prefer to be close

digital pond
#

If you watch even the IMT match They run the dive withj triple dps

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With a Soldier

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Who doesn't need to dive that close

#

And stays mid range and can turn around rather quickly

#

That and they have the lucio stay near him too at a decent range

balmy wolf
#

Guys, can you suggest me some free2play fps to play (no paladins pls) untill blizz fix bastion?

onyx hull
#

tf2 lol

spring lintel
#

Why not pal

solid spear
#

Pala....wait Miuki why not

balmy wolf
#

as much as i hate the voice acting for paladins, the game is ok

pure kettle
#

I'd recommend Git Gud Simulator 2017: Bastion Counter Edition.

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^.^

balmy wolf
#

Ik its ok but turns out p2w now

#

Ik they fix it but hirez is shit

#

Tf2 is a good idea

limber pine
#

Dirty Bomb?

#

@balmy wolf

balmy wolf
#

YEAH! THAT'S GOOD! TY 😄

#

gonna dl

clever wagon
#

Oh man

#

It's like everyone is out to devour nV

#

ALso LUL paladins new patch is shit I heard

#

Became a worse p2w

balmy wolf
#

they increase the essence from duplicate and reduced essence for legendary

#

but still the stuff exist

#

people ask to rollback

#

but obviosuly hirez have to be a greedy fuck

#

so sad that they are milking ppl that can't afford overwatch

#

the main reason of why it's succesfull is because its similiar to overwatch

#

OW is p2w too

onyx hull
#

p2p

balmy wolf
#

During seasonal events you have to spend loads of money to get lootboxes so you can get the legendary skins

#

mercy witch skin is p2w too

#

you stare at them because she's beautifull af

#

and you lose control of yourself

#

you miss shots

#

pls nerf

#

Mercy has excellent seasonal skins yes

#

Thankfully I have them all :3

onyx hull
#

Hey could anyone recommend some shotcalling streamers.

balmy wolf
#

i think grego

#

Morte is EU's shotcaller

onyx hull
#

ty

clever wagon
#

Is the team picks part of the stream after Fnatic v Runaway match?

vestal mortar
#

Yep

clever wagon
#

Gotta watch for the roasts

balmy wolf
clever wagon
#

Oh it's even a separate vod

#

Nice

#

AAAWW DADDY JEHONG REPRESENTING LH DRAWING

balmy wolf
#

Oh fuck bois

#

ZP gonna get a good spectator mode

clever wagon
#

What

balmy wolf
#

The article Miuki just linked

clever wagon
#

Yeee boiiii

#

It's ZP

toxic yacht
#

ZP gonna make OW great again

#

But seriously, the spectator UI has come a long ass way

#

Go look at beta videos, makes me fucking shiver

thin elk
#

They make me die a little inside

clever wagon
#

Wasn't spectator view implemented after release?

#

WhoRU > Haksal

#

WhoRU shines even in an environment like LH itself

#

Oh shit boiii here we go LH vs nV very first match for playoffs

balmy wolf
#

wish in a minimap, more detailed ulti % and hero abilities logs, change log of hero switch, different team color (even 8/16... the fundamental one are fine) replay, highlight system (replay of big ultis automatically)

#

"more detailed ult %"?

#

the number % is not too much visible : s

#

You might just have sight problems then

#

Its very easy to see

#

i can see them, but its pretty painfull

#

doa requested a bar for ulti

#

along with the permanent 3rd person health bar (we have), minimap (incoming) and a bar for ulti %

#

With the new PTR build coming in there is togglable 3rd person health bars

#

ik 😃

toxic yacht
#

Shouldn't they already be live?

balmy wolf
#

6 hours

toxic yacht
#

I mean health bar

balmy wolf
#

yes

#

but i was talking about ulti %

toxic yacht
#

It's been in PTR for a long ass time

balmy wolf
#

since 1.7 iirc

#

but i repeat, i was talking about ulti % bar :p

#

It's in the same PTR build as the Bastion changes and Roadhog nerfs @toxic yacht

#

imo replay system is priority #1

#

then minimap, then team color, then more detailed kill-feed with hero switch

#

AND FIX FUCKING 2CP >_>

onyx hull
#

is this apex rerun the same that went live this morning?

balmy wolf
#

yes

onyx hull
#

ty

jagged crater
#

envy lost 0-3 wow!

balmy wolf
#

dang you're late

#

guys overwatch is in open beta 😮

jagged crater
#

indeed

#

i knew about it couple days ago but never talked about it

#

so what happened

#

was it envy's lack of hero pool?

#

are koreans taking over yet again?

balmy wolf
#

1st imo

#

mikie zarya was shit

#

harry is good only with soldier

jagged crater
#

ooo that's rough

balmy wolf
#

taimou is a good hitscan

onyx hull
#

taimou coudnt hit hooks

jagged crater
#

people thought mickie had a good hero pool too

balmy wolf
#

lacks of genji and tracer player

#

is hurting envy

jagged crater
#

i mean he does but not at a pro level

balmy wolf
#

that looks stronk in tank meta

#

They could really use a Talespin right about now

#

mikie is good at dva only

#

and imo was a mistake taking him

#

based only on his dva

jagged crater
#

talespin was decent at genji/tracer but he wasnt one of the best

#

he was more known for pharah

balmy wolf
#

I never said he was mate

#

yep

jagged crater
#

my point is talespin might not even help

balmy wolf
#

He's better than anyone else on Envy with Genji and Tracer

jagged crater
#

in this heavy genji/tracer meta

balmy wolf
#

Becuase no one on Envy can play Genji or Tracer at all

#

harry and taimou are both hitscan

#

Harry plays 76 and Lucio, Taimou plays Hitscan and Roadhog

#

internethulk is not a sick lucio

jagged crater
#

road dawg

balmy wolf
#

but prob is a good shotcaller

#

Tale was their Projectile DPS and also played their Tracer

onyx hull
#

who would you sack from current nV

balmy wolf
#

But yeah, picking up Tale wouldnt help because he wouldn't work well with Taimou

jagged crater
#

envy lost their unbeatable status when pharah was out of the meta, that's when tale was on tracer usually

#

what are the odds of talespin + grego

#

after watching that grego story

balmy wolf
#

They didnt lose their unbeatable status when Pharah came out of Meta

#

They lost it when they played against Top EU teams at LAN

#

They were only unbeatable because they were an above average EU team in NA

jagged crater
#

that too

#

now we're seeing something similar, meta change, envy cant cope

balmy wolf
#

Not "too"

#

Pharah wasnt meta for months before they lost in the OWOpen

#

Tale not on Pharah had nothing to do with it

onyx hull
#

holy shit that c9 overtime win

jagged crater
#

shiet when was the pharah nerf

#

well she was never nerfed directly

#

the meta change i mean

balmy wolf
#

Probably like a month after the games release

#

Maybe a little longer

jagged crater
#

i think it was the mercy rez nerf that caused pharah meta away?

balmy wolf
#

Actually it was July

#

With the release of Ana and nerf to Mercy

jagged crater
#

and then was the zen dominant meta, which absolutely destroyed pharah with the discord

#

i see i see u rite u rite

#

getting my timelines wrong

#

ow open was late sept, so that was ana + triple tank + beyblade

toxic yacht
#

Guys, Mickie was picked up for his Zarya

#

He just learnt D.Va because meta

jagged crater
#

he was

#

he showed promise in the world cup as zarya

#

but that doesnt mean he can be a good zarya vs serious coordinated teams

toxic yacht
#

He's actually a dps player, and better at widow than Taimou, according to Taimou

jagged crater
#

since world cup was more like an exhibition with only south korea taking it seriously

#

i think that's just taimou being nice

toxic yacht
#

I don't know if he plays the heroes that nV lacks though

jagged crater
#

mickie likes to troll with genji on stream, other than that, not proven that he can use those heroes against high level teams

toxic yacht
#

Basically, he's really good on hitscan, and I don't know about his exact pool since Harry has the dps spot

onyx hull
#

mickie had weird gravs last apex, just a bad day for him?

jagged crater
#

mickie certainly capable of the mechanics but lacks the game sense and decision making to separate from the good/great zaryas

toxic yacht
#

And also, I doubt that hulk took him because he looked super good at world cub with shit teams, hulk was impressed with his tracking and most likely his decision making

#

According to Taimou everyone had a shit day

jagged crater
#

it was also last minute, there wasnt time to evaluate

#

he just needed to find someone who's good enough and available

opaque owl
#

huh

balmy wolf
#

I hoped they get fucked tbh

jagged crater
#

😦

onyx hull
#

k

opaque owl
#

they could've dropped him if he really isn't adequate

toxic yacht
#

Polo is a hater

opaque owl
#

but he's still there

toxic yacht
#

Yup, what vic said

balmy wolf
#

Taimou being too much of a massive dick forced tale to leave and then they get lucky picking up a good D.Va when she was OP

toxic yacht
#

They'd have dropped him, probably

#

Also, mickie's zarya only looked bad vs MA

balmy wolf
#

Hopefully the meta change fucks them

#

and they get destroyed by LH

toxic yacht
#

You people keep forgetting their first 2 Apex games

jagged crater
#

dam polo why u so mad at envy all of a sudden

onyx hull
#

tbf MA's zarya is amazing

balmy wolf
#

I've hated them forever

toxic yacht
#

And say that they are trash based off their last

balmy wolf
#

The only reason I really liked them was Talespin

#

Hulk too I suppose but I liked him for his Winston

jagged crater
#

i think all of them have great personalities , except for taimou

balmy wolf
#

And now he's playing a medicore lucio

onyx hull
#

i like him cuz he's old

toxic yacht
#

Reminder, Mickie was never a dva player before

#

He just picked her up

balmy wolf
#

Thats why I said they got lucky

#

Picking up a DPS players who's magically great at D.Va just when she becomes OP

toxic yacht
#

Man, you keep acting like their other apex games didn't happen and only focus on the last one

jagged crater
#

they did get lucky, there's no doubt

balmy wolf
#

I literally didnt even watch MA vs Envy

jagged crater
#

i missed it and only saw the 0-3 scoreline

balmy wolf
#

So I'm 100% not focusing on it

jagged crater
#

it wasnt quite a stomp according to the detail scoreline tho

#

it was a "closer" 0-3

#

so envy isnt getting 100% fucked quite yet, they just need to improve on things

toxic yacht
#

His zarya was perfectly fine until last game...

#

Seriously, you all have 3 second memories

jagged crater
#

i didnt watch the whole thing so i cant comment exactly except for reading comments on the post match discussions

balmy wolf
#

The two people you're talking to didnt even watch the MA game Sojum

#

So fuck off with that shit

#

do you have a hard on for the koreans polo or do you just hate envy just because

#

I dont like the korean teams either lol

toxic yacht
#

He just hates nV, lol

jagged crater
#

who's ur fav team

toxic yacht
#

It's like you've been looking for an excuse to shit on them for months

balmy wolf
#

I dont like the koreans because all they do is just dominate games and ruin it for any EU or NA teams

onyx hull
#

that's not a good reason

toxic yacht
#

Now that you found one tiny thing, you're suddenly trying to completely discredit them

balmy wolf
#

What have I found?

toxic yacht
#

Like, wow, they did badly in 1 game

jagged crater
#

if koreans put in that much more work than EU/NA, then i think they deserve to dominate

toxic yacht
#

After being steller consistently

balmy wolf
#

envy is good af, who cares if they lose a few games because they're off, happens to every team

#

Dude holy fucking shit you're still on that?

#

cant play perfectly 24/7

toxic yacht
#

Lol, why are you so angry?

balmy wolf
#

I've said twice I didnt even watch it, I'm basing none of this on that game

toxic yacht
#

Seriously

onyx hull
#

dae also hates esports

balmy wolf
#

I'm angry because you seem to only be using the "They played 1 bad game and now you're shitting on them" point over and over when I've said that I didn't even watch the damn game

toxic yacht
#

Oh wow, so Mickie was totally shit on zarya during every other game he played her in, which are a bunch

#

Like, wut? You're saying that mickie is a one trick when his actual spot is being used by harryhook?

#

How can you even judge that?

balmy wolf
#

You do realise I'm not talking about the Apex games or even Mickie in particular right?

#

I was literally just saying I was mad they got lucky picking up a DPS who can magically play a Good D.Va just when she became overpowered

#

and that Taimou made Talespin leave

#

i mean mickie is a smart player, its not like he was just "magically" good at her, you have to be smart to play her and he was/is so it worked. I dont think taimou made tale leave, they probably just didnt like each other and tale said fuck it

toxic yacht
#

Yeah, you always keep assuming that Taimou chased him away. To me it sounds more like their personalities didn't get, at all

#

Nothing indicated that he was being toxic

balmy wolf
#

and theres always background stuff we dont know so its hard to talk on stuff like that

#

when you pick up players you dont know, theres always a risk, sometimes that risk works out. i.e mickie

solid spear
#

._.

#

they could use a Talespin rn

#

juss saiyan

balmy wolf
#

maybe

toxic yacht
#

Lol, they could definitely use him. Team atmosphere would suck dick though

balmy wolf
#

which would just put them in a worse spot

#

so 🤷

#

The next patch should favor nV right? With the D.Va buff

#

Also the Ana nerf which will impact LH to some degree

#

Since Jehong is the best on her

toxic yacht
#

Apparently tournament realm is updating a week later or some shit

#

If that's true then Friday's games should be on the current patch

vestal mortar
#

ooh

balmy wolf
#

I thought the finals were the only thing played on a seperate client

vestal mortar
#

Every APEX match since last Friday has been on the tournament realm, 144 tick rate iirc

balmy wolf
#

2CP FIX :OOOO{

#

Respawn Delay

When attackers outnumber defenders while taking a control point on Assault, Escort and Assault/Escort maps, the defenders’ respawn time will slowly increase until it hits a maximum value or the defense manages to gain the upper hand.

onyx hull
#

where did u find it

kind lake
onyx hull
#

ty

solid spear
balmy wolf
#

Is that the final roster or just try outs?

#

Also did Roadhog get fucking buffed? What is this?

#

when they say friends they mean harbleu and ajax because those are trials

#

roadhog got nerfed and buffed. again.

#

instead of just nerfed.

#

Right click can kill anyone now at medium range wtf

#

Thats the final roster

#

Calling it

#

Looks decent

vestal mortar
#

Oh my goodness me

balmy wolf
#

I feel sorry for their opponents trying to get their rank

#

Many teams have done this before

#

Dude

vestal mortar
#

Yeah I remember watching Dummy queue into C9 doing their placements together

#

last season

balmy wolf
#

Shadder is now on Liquid

vestal mortar
#

Oh yeah!

#

Now to decide if I stay up for a while and watch a few of the NRG placements or watch the VODs in the morning 🤔

balmy wolf
#

its better when you watch it live

#

it'll be a meme fest with bastion

vestal mortar
#

Yeah I might be able to stay up for an hour and watch the rest in the morning. Isn't there Carbon tonight too?

balmy wolf
#

uhh i think so? yeah

#

Yeah there is

#

Same time

#

SHADDER

vestal mortar
#

Nice! 😄

balmy wolf
#

Guess I'm supporting Liquid from now on

limber pine
balmy wolf
#

Liquid went from one of my least favourite to most favourite teams real quick

solid spear
#

cant wait for omnic crisis meta tonight at Carbon

#

kap

balmy wolf
#

The left hand meta

toxic yacht
#

I love Shadder and all, but he's an amazing EU Genji in NA

#

ShaDowBurn 2.0?

balmy wolf
#

They lost their 2nd supp too

vestal mortar
#

Grego is standing in for Rapha in today's Carbon Series.

balmy wolf
#

Hm

#

At least they have a 2nd support

#

But they lost their zarya

vestal mortar
#

Hmmm

balmy wolf
#

Shadder usually memes on stream so I can't wait to see him be serious >_>

toxic yacht
#

Also, he's 17

#

Holy shit, I thought he was in his 20s

balmy wolf
#

Yeah same here lul

waxen root
#

i think this patch gonna be very interesting

vestal mortar
#

Me too

balmy wolf
#

Shadder is 17???

#

Such a nice voice at that age already hehehe...

#

Yeah that sounded more creepy than I thought

#

guess ill do comp lobby and ban bastion

#

the only way to enjoy comp overwatch

#

Comp is worse than QP right now because there's no backfill

#

if that's true

#

then they are fucking retards

#

All Top 500s and Pros were encouraged to PM the lead hero designer on The O.W

#

Who's complaining?

#

literally every pro is complaining

#

I'm looking through profiles and there's only like 2

onyx hull
#

did they even try doing feedback. i only saw some pros memeing on ptr casually saying 'yeah bastion broken w/e' and calling it a day

balmy wolf
onyx hull
#

lol

toxic yacht
#

He can literally survive a Hanzo dragon

#

Just saying

onyx hull
#

yeah i think reaper ult too

toxic yacht
#

And a pulse bomb iirc

onyx hull
#

dva confirmed counter

toxic yacht
#

Damage resistance is fuckin stupid and unintuitive, especially when it's 35%

balmy wolf
#

D.Va can't outdamage him

dusty surge
#

What's the haps, fam?

onyx hull
#

maybe make his critbox be bigger idk

balmy wolf
#

Apparently some pros are complaining when they had the chance to give feedback

#

Any of the pros that are on The O.W. should have given feedback

#

literally look at the tweet

#

yesterday

#

like if blizz will change stuff at very last second

#

and do you think every single one just ingored that? every balance patch pros have given feedback and blizz doesnt listen because they dont care lol

solid spear
#

Give him 400 health in sentry and scrap the resistance

#

Another big problem is because you get 35% less ult charge when attacking him he doesn't even really feed

balmy wolf
#

@balmy wolf No, they had the chance to PM the lead hero designer directly

#

He wanted them to do that

#

But they didnt

#

yes im sure we know for a fact not one pro pmed them

#

that suddenly makes the changes ok

#

so... they are fucking retards and they deserve that if it's true

solid spear
#

No one deserves Bastion

#

Shits absurd

balmy wolf
#

like lets forget about blizzard incompetency to actually CHANGE something on the ptr, they should only change op things if pros contact them!

#

Im not saying none of them did

#

I'm saying the ones complaining could have

#

but they didnt

solid spear
#

Even if pros didn't respond common sense says this makes no sense

balmy wolf
#

^

toxic yacht
#

tbh anyone with half a brain would be against these changes

balmy wolf
#

It's useless to complain this early

#

Not really

#

Blizzard won't nerf him within a week probably

#

Especially with a new hero coming soon

solid spear
#

Sniper McCree lasted 1 week

#

After everyone complaining through ptr

#

It's not unprecedented

balmy wolf
#

Is Bastion that good?

toxic yacht
#

"Put a discord"

#

Lmao

#

Does that guy understand maths?