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Forget Selfless let's get Misfits in there
I'd say wait until April or even May for that
Miro is a god https://clips.twitch.tv/ognglobal/VastPenguinKappa
[ENG] OVERWATCH APEX S2 ENERGIZED BY HOT6 - EnVyUs VS. Meta Athena | Misfits VS. Lunatic-Hai - Clipped by Zekeros
lol

I gave up on C9 after they lost like five games in a row
Esca's just happy to be there when he's not playing McCree
his tracer was hot garbage
also i think Miro should be off tank not main. His Rein is just meh imo
that is also true
Miro kinda needs to be main tank
That's why LH likes dive so much
Because Miro is a worldclass Winston
yea I guess that makes sense when you have the best Winston, Ana, and a very good genji
and tobi is really good on lucio
god you can tell the pros hate anubis. these comps for anubis from APEX and Carbon are crazy
ayy
also DSPTobi
that was lul
So many game changing boops
also WhoRU was going off as genji
omg yes
When you have to have TviQ focus one person there is a problem
All of Lunatic Hai's players (besides Esca) are contenders for the number one spot on their main hero
Miro and Winston, Ryu and Ana, Whoru and Genji, Tobi and Lucio, Zunba and Zarya
would Fl0w3r or nanohanna or whatever be a better addition than esca
esca's soldier was trash
i think ryu is a better dps than esca
ryu is nutty on mcree
Ryu only plays Ana because he likes how she plays
indeed his team suck dicks
Dsp can play a normal lucio, its fairly decent, see meme dream team 6 stack
esca is so bad on widow
ikr
Monti and DOA are just tearing apart his widow
lmao
at least esca is fairly good as mcree
wtf is happening on twitch?
a lot of top tier games dropped a lot
average on overwatch was 20k, now its 10k
off season?
oh yeah 
i mean moonmoon will be gold portrait next month
Holy shit
koreans take that seriously
Around the Watch Episode 7 - with special guest Flame https://www.overbuff.com/blog/2017-02-24-around-the-watch-episode-7-what-s-it-like-having-a-small-oddly-well-mannered-personal-army
love the podcast
@frank frigate lol you couldn't find an embarrasing pic of Flame and had to Photoshop it, didn't you?
Are there general scrim game setting guidlines?
Rule set: Competitive
High bandwidth: On
Map rotation: Single map
Return to lobby: After a game
Available maps: King's Row, Numbani, Watchpoint: Gibraltar, Dorado, Hanamura, Temple of Anubis, Volskaya, Nepal, Lijiang Tower, Hollywood, Ilios, Route 66, Eichenwalde & Oasis
Hero selection limit: 1 per team
All heroes are currently allowed
Disable kill cam: On
@pine star I actually asked his discord what picture they wanted on it lol
lol xD
OH
MY FUCKING
GOD
What the actual shit was that stall on Anubis
Most disgusting stuff I've seen in a long time
@pine star What match was it?
Lunatic Hai vs Misfits, last map on Temple of Anubis
I'll check it out later ๐ thanks
That stall on the last point was no joke like 3 minutes
Jesus do you have a link to the match?
Yes, give me a sec
Thank you so much
Thanks!
No problem
Literally just saw that like 15 seconds ago on Twitter lol
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And Winz on support
they have 3 support
nico and winz are flex/support
unkoe is support
BUT KNOXX TOO
one of the best lucio
"Winz, who was our flex player, will be playing support"
on tank role...
So no more off-tank and such for Winz I guess?
better if they dont fucking disappoint me
I don't talk trash very often... but old NA is going to get a shock at AMM this weekend. New Rogue > Old Rogue and Old Rogue > Old NA
we'll see...
NA is strong now
So New NA ? Rogue
im happy that new team are joining top tier rank
Winz on Flex/Supp

Artist's rendition of what Korea did to the western teams in APEX last night. ๐ฅ https://t.co/vp1MhXmVGL
hahahahaha
LUL
lmao
@ggHarsha @MonteCristo Monte still on the KR train. Anyone who watched League knows its only a matter of time before KR gets too good. https://t.co/9wVkXHfruz
It's only a matter of time before complete korean dominance
What were the comps run by Korean teams?
Mostly dive
I wonder when will other big CSGO orgs start boarding OW
I remember reading G2 was considering it but held back since it was still too early for them
probably when they hear more about the league
Maybe
This orgs will jump in too late imo
They"ll be forced to buy a tier 3 team
Like CLG

can't they just buy a spot and get whatever team they want
i mean not like buying a spot is easy but yeah
@balmy wolf I don't follow
CLG is rising tbh
Where?
Not today
envy lost 0-3!? korea is coming back big time so soon
to mathena too, who was relatively unknown outside of korea before the tournament
it's way too hard to call best team without seeing more koreans play
monthly melee?
nice
wait, so monthly is 2pm PST? In 10hrs?
Yup
Should be around 22 or 23 CET
Pretty dumb time for EU, but better than 2 am in the morning
in 9hrs or so
Hype
I hope rogue will play
Challenger APEX team won against LH, KD Uncia, Meta athena and MVP infinity in nexus cup o_o
Nexus Cup info Link Nexus Cup 2017 is a Chinese Overwatch...
Are you trying to tell me there are korean teams better than LH, KD and such?
Oh welp
I for one welcome our new korean overlords
Daddy Reinforce spitting fire
Lottoforce 
You know, as much as I love Mickie, nV really need Talespin and his hero pool right now
Feelsbad for them

Yeah I feel like they needed a tracer/genji to put pressure on the enemy supports yesterday so that Harry or Taimou wouldn't get 1v1'd by a Lucio.
I thought Mickie was actually a Widow main or something
Yeah but he's no better than Taimou for sure
At least I read that somewhere, no idea if it was true or not
But I heard he could play some Genju
Ahh, no idea.
Also, can Cocco play Winston?
I am not sure if I ever saw him on Winston. Only Rein/Zarya
taimous genji isnt even bad
neither is his tracer
they just, like never play them lol
His genji is definitely good, just nowhere near to the level of other pros, sadly
His tracer is just good for pro standards
Nothing amazing, apart from his ability to never die
Yeah well that's good... for a Lรบcio lol
Talespin was their tracer/genji, taimou only played tracer when tale was on weeb and they did a dive
I like Mickie but.... They did a mistake recruiting him
Hes good
But was good for the tank meta
And im pretty sure they didn't knew it disappeard anytime soon
They lack a projectile dps
Taimou will have to embrace his inner TviQ
Problem with Taimou that he dropped after pharmercy meta
Hes not a solid genji
Hes really good with pharah
He won't
Taimou is a sick widow and cree
Harry a sick soldier
But the spot of tracer, genji and pharaoh lack
Hes good on cree too
Yeah
But 2 cree cant exist
Taimou is better than him on it though
*but
Taimou is probably better than Harry on any dps that isn't Soldier
One could argue that Harry's Reaper is slighly better than Taimou's
Eh that's very debatable and even then Reapers not particularly relevant right now
I just think it's less of a Mickie thing and more of if Harry is gonna full time dps he needs to develop his hero pool
74
Problem is Taimou probably plays 2 of those better anyway
^yeah
He plays Lucio at top level

Tbh they may have to put him back on lucio
And Mickie on dps, since he's actually a dps player
They really only need him on dps for 76
Although I guess Taimou is the only real Hog player
But Hog might not be as important in the new patch
Lol I like playing against Hog too
You bait out a hook and the man's free ult charge
Hog makes the game unfun for everyone tbh
No other hero who isn't niche forces such specific positioning and hyper awareness from the entire team. Makes it extremely unfun and restricting, especially since being in hog's fov is now apparently "out of position"
He used to be a fun ult battery until some braindead ana could just throw her pissjar and spam left click
RIP headphone users, that was a loud intro haha
Nice!
Haha I was just going to say that they must have decided to wait just for you
Rogue vs FaZe first @toxic yacht
rogue has 3 matches today
Fuckfuckfuckfuck
50s till start
Brother unlocking the first door
but more realistcally
You can do it!
more like 2 minutes
Unlocking the second door
Seagulls?
yes
No sound
lul
Thanks i'm gonna add them to liquipedia now @opaque owl
Starting @toxic yacht
Holly
Ummm
on my laptop
Is it supposed to be this silent
opening stream
tfw no game sound yet
^
@toxic yacht you here?
mfw sdb on hog

but at least he's expanding his pool
it was kind of cancerous
tbh
Indeed
both 
Zombs is ๐
and one of the best clutch zaryas off zarya
yeah, so many shifts
I think aKm wants to swap
that barrage waas cacner
okay, no swap
pls
aKMcCree

nice blade
No one has been using high ground on attack lately
a ton of people do triple dps dives
they can kinda go off and too high ground at will
APM
UAPM :P
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kek, soon so op you need a tac visor to kill him
ayy
I think sdb really wants to tilt to genji
and show nico who is boss
lol, nico is killing everyone
Bad news bears
whoops
lmao
Nuuu
Get on the cart!
so many pro teams forget the objective
Its like watching C9
c9 threw twice in overtime on koth
no one is immune
lol
let's see how faze attacks
Sojum, how do you link yourself to just the video without the Twitch UI?
Noo not the C9 strats
I'm late ๐ฆ
you can probably figure out the rest
How many games have been?
aKm on 76

Okay, so player.twitch.tv/?channel=target. Got it.
aKm on 76
sdb almost killed you
Nothing is fine with the world
you had a fucking winston helping you
smh
aKm actually tracks anyway
I don't talk trash very often... but old NA is going to get a shock at AMM this weekend. New Rogue > Old Rogue and Old Rogue > Old NA
like, he tracks on cree
new meme guys?
no surprise that he can play 76 well
lul

he did a dashcancel because he thought that tracer was full hp
wasted the dash
ruined his ult
can relate
feelsbad
2nd has been rough for teams lately. Honeslty Shadowburn is going to have to carry
outplayed
Shadowburnt!!! 
ah, FaZe still being FaZe and losing

IKR
they were asking for it
"Do we run?"
"Nah, maybe he misses"
maybe it's too early for memes
Never too early for memes
yeah
Nor never too late
Im glad we get to see a bunch of them right now, maybe they need to get their feet under them
sloppy, but a win, at least
Yeah I don't think this is as good as old rogue
Am I a bad person if I want Rogue to lose just for the memes? 
Old rogue was the best team in the world at some point
Thats not WHY you are a bad person
like, there's no way they'd be that strong
stream is lagging hard for me
You're not the only one
It looks good for me
Dropped frames? audio sync?
@tawdry quartz then why? ๐ฆ
i mean tviq is definitely stronger than nico for now
tviq is, like, the best dps in ow
^
it's gonna be really hard to replace him
Oh yeah...Im getting lag too now
lmao
Dead for me too
This production
ded stream
So its 1-0 Rogue rn right?
im going to watch a porn
Enjoy!
IT'S BACK
lul wtf
hmm, nico is pretty good on genji
Annnd it's back
Heh
So, is SDB a fulltime hog on defense now?
yeah, lol
it's unfortunate
veine said that they hate ana and triple tank
wtf is soon tracer doing? why is she poking with ult?
and that they don't do it well, so they run dive
I feel like nV got too compliant with they're current status
and stopped putting in so much effort
their hero pool was too small
ah, they finally pushed
wtf is that NA ult?
lmao
mfw Rogue goes NA and starts ulting like NA

yea that was desperate
lel
NA curse
knoxxx doing so much work on harambe
they should really pay attention to how he moves
haha stealth monkey
he always melts they're supports super fast
Ninja monkey
mfw winston counters genji but learns from genji
Yeah that was really good
To beat Genjus, you have to become Genju
kek
happy to see SDB play more heroes, but I'd appreciate it more if it weren't hog >.>
pls learn other dps
kinda weird to see triple tank FaZe with SDB on tanks
but they're probably doing this because Mikeya has a non cancerous hero pool
akm pharah...
triple dps looks annoying af to play against, lul
inb4 in some months ppl complain for dive
pretty terrible tbh
they are doing a nice job flanking but people on the front need to not die too
no flying pharas 
and hog
hes an hitscan
NA ult
What was AKM doing standing there?
mfw soon carries
also, as someone who plays a ton of pharah
dat tracking
aKm hurts my brain
Soon and Nico are doing so much
Soon so good
Honestly I could probably 1v1 aKm's pharah
lmao
Right? I thought his Pharah was kinda weak as well.
just do what you know well
Missed a lot of shots and overextended big time.
ppl stick too much with tank meta
ayyy, mikeya
TIME
TO
WATCH
MY
BOY
SHADOWBURN
THROW 
ikr
faze needs a winston
well they are holding for now
They need better carries imo. Met All about having multiple threats and mobile aggression
fctfctn is a decent harambe
2/3 push
that pharah ... she could blast them from high ground...
fuck, i've to wait for memeing :\
He got a bunch of people down to 50% before they escaped
oh god, nico is good
yeah
Yeah
nico and soon were really good
guess he was pretty wasted on melty/bonjour
yup, lul
I missed watching Soon tbh
like flippy in penta ๐
yeah
they both almost cleared the map twice
penta did it 2 times
coL went super close the second time
We need to make a fundraiser to buy Slasher a new mic
lul
prob rng rogue will be closer
Rogue werent completely dominant like Frank thought they would be
But they did crush faze pretty convincingly
the audio delay is annoying
FaZe is not really a benchmark to determine if a team is good or not
wait... Slasher is still relevant? 
wasn't frank saying that they were better than a team that was nr 1 in the world at some point?
lul
But yeah, FaZe is the most inconsistent team in OW
and are pretty weak rn
Rogue #0 confirmed ๐ฎ
i want to see immortals later
my bet is imt-rogue finals
Rogue are like NiP
or hammer/rng
Havent played in anything for so long
Off Gosu rankings

Next month we'll have some NRG
You mean this wednesday? 
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lol
I think the score is actually 0-0
Oh damn
wait what
the fucking waiting screen said rogue vs renegades was next
I think we must have come into the middle

double mercy 
lul
Juv3nile on hog
NA organization
the stream begun in the middle already
Juv3nile on hog so that he can stop throwing on rein
JUNKRAT
This production sucks kek
To everyone saying Hammers were tank abusers and couldn't run DPS lul
^
jake is a pretty good genji
dunno who was saying that, lul
NA ULT
powersliding with a draonblade
lmao
TAKE THE WHEEL ROADHOG
j3sus getting revenge for being crucified
Jaysus!
he's learning from snizzlenose
Nerf J3sus Blizzard, please fix
j3sus
That hog skin tho
I like how the AMM still has skins
oi, nanovisor
apex of skill
hate those nanoboost ezpz no skill teamwipes tbh
I didn't even noticed lol
That's disgusting
I feel sick tbh
Tweet @ J3sus he can heal you
imagine j3sus with the primary fire buff
ugh

God
wow
akm's Pharah = Esca's Widowmaker
"And meanwhile...on the ground"
I'm trying to edit liquipedia at the same time as watching the match lul @toxic yacht
so annoying
LOL
gave up on pharmercy haha
How in the fuck does the point system work @toxic yacht
hammers look tilted
feel like a joke
dunno how the point system works
also, bo5 control
OGN should watch and learn
Hammers.........
"junkensteen"
roleplaying
A fight NOT on the stairs
omg lol
yea why focus 1 genji
hate it when I want to casually murder your supports
and you can't fucking let me go
y does strem kep ded?
#PrayForHarambe
na ult
Ult economy lul
3 ults
Welp
even though 2 would have been enough
They still have 3 tho
NA shatter
that hook
j3sus being god's son
Omg
jake is kind of good at this game
^
This match 
yeah
Jake is pretty good
i doubt pharmercy will work again
Idk
Mangachu might be best at it
welp
Hammers playing toe to toe with Renegades?
would a zen help or nah
SOMEONE STOP MANGACHU FOR FUCKS SAKE
J3SUS TAKE THE WHEEL
Mangachu isn't fucking around
That's Train's job to S76
LOL
Fucking finally
Mangachuuu
took two hooks to kill pharah
lol
wow

They are not respecting him at all
They look so confused
Mangachu's also a TF2 veteran right
How much did RNG pay Hammers?
gg
this was actually pathetic
lol
Hammers is worthless on this stage of Nepal
brutal
yeah
I know
That was a brutal round
Enemy have pharah! Better stay on tracer
Omg, RNG vs Hammers isnt going to be until Week 4 and 5 of the Overwatch Carbon Series
they can't deal with pharmercy at all
like, they have two pretty good hitscan players
couldn't they, like, have tried that?
Take soldier!
their comp couldn't deal with pharah
RNG did triple DPS
like, what were they expecting?
They weren't even TRYING to counter her
Train and Jake have their hands full I believe
yeah
Atleast try! Ffs
they just let her kill everyone lol
trying to counter her by completely ignoring her
Roadhog hooks werent enough
With RNG deploying Soldier and Tracer on the side
Mangachu is FUCKING amazing doe
ha
lul
HAHA
Not like he would have done anything
Lol
he would die to tracer
This Bo3?
aKm's Pharah vs InternetHulk's Reaper
Guys, your overwatch is streaming
finals are bo5 iirc
Who would win?
Cya, im gonna learn from plats
would counter aKm's pharah
No one cares about Your Overwatch tho. :P
Im sarcastic
Who would win?
o
aKm pharah
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I've been flimflammed
Esca's widow was 100 shots, 0 kills
his widow was such a joke, even monte and doa were laughing their asses off
They would skirmish for a while until their ults charge
lol
lol
Alrighty taking bets on this next match: Ive got 3 to 1 that Renegades comes out on top
Detroit > Las Vegas
I haven't seen enough of Rogue to say anything
3-0 to me
but they've looked sloppy
Going off, cya tomorrow! Ill ask tomorrow ig it's worth watching
Cya, have a good night
Goodnighty!
Also
Keep in mind that half of FaZe was on high ping
SDB, Mikya and Forsaken all on high ping
you have to adapt lul
Wow
High ping is a pretty shitty situation though
You miss and die to shit that just doesn't happen at low ping.
FaZe is super inconsistent anyway, especially now that they're kinda weak
They did win 2-0 and win a lot of fights quite decisively but it wasnt as huge of a stomp as it should have been
I wouldn't take a win over current faze online as anything particularily great
ZP and Hex in the same place?
are teams allowed to see previous matches?
For Carbon @clever wagon
Makes sense
@onyx hull I don't see why not
It's basically just like any other competitive sport where a participant watches other matches
you right
Woah ZP voice and video not sync
Yeah, so annoying
Normal on Hex rn though
Not really
I still see it desynced
same
then we are rip
Whoa
Crazy I know
I would cry forever
are tree leaves thru blinds a common thing in usa
Leave Overwatch esports
Seagull back to TF2
I would never love anything or anyone ever again
Did Rogue drop a round to FaZe at all?
nope
Noice
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it was only payload though
This editing shit on liquipedia is annoying af
have to put in rounds and maps won and lost for all teams
hybrid and payload

Poop problems
Mangachu vs aKm on Pharah
Rogue still in the bathroom vomiting from seeing mangachu on pharah
he already did with pharah 






