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rooting so hard for them right now
welp, rip
I want these guys to win at least one game.
^^
and they didn't deserve to be put into this group :(
์ด๊ฒ๋ ๋ํํด ๋ณด์์ง < Nerf this!
Yeah, the random sorting really didn't work out for qutie a lot of the teams...
:(
Myself less so than Sojum. :)
I have more of an attachment to western teams in general.
that's fair ๐
But BK Stars has won me over because of Carpe and Bunny. ^^
By western teams he means Sure4, Mendo and Harbleu
they both played extremely well today
oh, so two guys who can't stay on the point + harbleu ๐ฆ
soz
I've kinda... given up on Cloud9. :/
But I am excited for IMT, NRG 2.0, Rogue 2.0 and Hammers!
you think harblue will join NRG?
Don't know who I'll root for in the next AMM. ๐
Seagull said that he wants to try him out
Either him or Nesh
yeah i read that
and harb said that NRG is the team he's the most interested in
they also used to be TF2 bois
They also used to be on LG
KR strats! :D
that's kind blowing my mind
Is Misfits out now?
gg ๐ฆ
No someone can still matchfix
RNG did. :(
That's bad, there should be seeding at least
goodbye, best hair in this tournament
Also, another double 3-0
Yeah, take one of the first seed teams from last season, one of the second seed teams, one of the third seed/newcomer teams and one of the foreign teams.
Instead of them being random.
Exactly
Oh well, hopefully OGN learns from this experience so they can make season 3 a more enjoyable time for all involved. :)
I wonder what the Koreans think of this
Zebbo looks like he's crying
<- Korean, not too big of a fan
ah, hi korean
bong me
when I utlt
But yeah, there is that guy on the comp sub
TSIRobin
and a few other koreans
who generally talk a lot about the korean scene and koreans opinions
I heard it from him
Oh fuck it's @toxic yacht - Sojum

I thought it was someone else
I never had any hope tbh
Maybe when they were GoogleMe
and then when they got picked up by C9 in beta
after that
meh
Every game was a 5v6
If nV doesn't make it out of stage 2 of groups, I think I'll have to route for the KongDoo teams.
Not sure why, but I enjoy watching them play.
I know for sure some of the reasons why I enjoy KongDoo sisters so much
Panker, Rascal
Uhhh
DNCE too
Not really
Wow these pauses
What pauses?
so ryujehong is streaming an he is really good at Mcree and 76 but man ryujehong plays on an insainly low sens

@dusty surge BK vs MVP match
So many pauses, I feel bad for OneFact
Couldn't keep watching
ryu one of the few korean players that plays at an even lower sens than western pros
every other korean plays at ridic high sens
Proving once and for all there is no one-true-sens
the general rule of thumb was to lower your sens incrementally while you're still comfortable doing 180s
Minimap coming to spectator view: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753268446#post-3
i personally followed that rule
He plays 1600dpi at 1.16-1.05 depending on character
went from 8 sens to 4 sens
I'm at 800/10 it 800/8 depending on how I feel
now do i aim better? questionable! xD
I was kinda miffed when I found out that overwatch lacked one
minimap in-game or spectator?
spectators
Also in-game to some degree since I was super used to it, but OW maps are basically extremely simple corridors, so I stopped giving a shit
hyped for the minimap and i really hope it's possible to draw on it
Draw on?
sadly people will draw some d**ks while bored haha
It's going to be spectators only, and only in custom games.
2 years since last csgo match
I would expect Blizzard to not include that initially.
so dunno
im pretty sure dota has it
and people draw dicks lmao
wait, under the map there's [SPACE] clear drawing
so it's into the game
[ENTER] to change color (?)
Huh
and abilities cd, health, ulti status left and right would be better
and team color!!!!!
ffs
as a gameplay or spectator experience?
you mean the team color?
or the abilities, health and ulti?
anyway, both for spectator experience ๐
sometimes im like "who's attacking? before was red, then blue, then blue, then red..." pretty paintfull
and the health, abilities cd, ulti % left and right like csgo will add a lot of more infos like
sometimes i wondering why <player> didn't flash, for example tracer
he was in cd or he was generally stupid?
how much % of rein shield is up? how much damage needed to destroy it?
"oh, rein shield health is 200. pretty sure enemy rein will earthshatter"
just a few examples.. ^-^
tbh from a player perspective, I'd love individual player colours like in csgo
or actually, give everyone support view
rn they are basically forcing commmunication
and make everything more clunky and add unnecessarly hurdles for no reason
same with your inability to see the ult meter of all of your teammates
like, if you could just press tab and check, or have display for all of your teammates hp + ult like in spectator view it'd make shit so much easier
you'd save much more time, but nah, they need to force communication and make everything take 10 steps for no logical reason
that's stupid tbh
they were like "we dont wanna force people into team voice chat"
then they add this bs
hi evryones fav team? mine is team envy
EU
NRG
TSM
w>
NRG
FaZe Clan Rogue Immortals Hammers eSports Luminosity Gaming compLexity Gaming Renegades Rise Nation http://i.imgur.com/lte085n.png
NRG declined the invitation, just as I expected
This AMM is gonna be so hype though
Rogue 
I am getting so excited!
Pity no NRG yet, I'll try be patient for their final roster decisions.
my fav team was rogue, then they start wondering to put my boy knoxx on reinhard then i change
sooo... atm... misfits
from na hammer
and kr lunatic hai
Here we go bois
omg don't scare me like that
kek
25th and 26th I believe
29th and 30th
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oh, nah, he was just getting hyped
if it were playing
this place would be much more active
The lack of matches trigger me
also, tera, your avatar looks like a cartoon version of your previous avatar
is it one?
Yes it is
what is it anyway?
It's me
I have been watching so many pro stream VODs to feed my desire for more matches
I did it ๐
I like the shading 
and yeah, I've been rewatching ESL
to feed my desire
since ESL was the best OW tourney imo
Esl is so viewbotted...
Yeah
I just go to the youtube channel and pick out videos from the atlantic showdown
Atlantic Showdown was the best indeed
2nd world cup, just because was big
Final was a stomp
Not funny tho
Oh yeah, I will need to set reminders for all the matches. But perhaps they'll be pretty late at night for me.
Also, thank you! ๐
7 is too much imo
Eleague CSGO had bo3
admittedly, a single round of CS is, like, 2 rounds of OW
Yeah
Oh yeah, thanks for the reminder! I've been meaning to download that.
Since there's no good ow stream, gonna watch hots :/
Also grego and snow
Small streamers streaming are always the best
snow is so underrated
Wish i wasn't studying and was unemployed
Otherwise i would apply to snow team
But... Im not murican :(
Misfits 7 win 0 lost in hots, like in overwatch...
TIL that Dante and Agilities used to be competitive Minecraft players
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@vestal mortar Ireland, right? They'll be late night for you. An hour earlier than for me, but it should be at something like 22
Yep! That's not too bad then. ๐
I was gonna post this on reddit but all i see are highlight videos so im just gonna post this here, Minimap in Overwatch would it be good or bad?
a mini-map in overwatch would crowd the ui
its already on the fringe
and since map sense is such an important thing it would ruin it to put just a map of everything
did you read the blue post?
no
"We do plan to add a spectator map for a better esports viewing experience. But philosophically we were opposed to adding a minimap to the HUD for gameplay reasons."-Jeff Kaplan
ok yeah
I have ascended from the 1900s
Also if the minimap turns out to be unhandy the spectators can just disable it
The Overwatch Carbon Series features six of the fiercest North American competitive Overwatch teams in a series of online matches, broadcast on Carbon Entertainmentโs Twitch channel, directly from Carbonโs newly remodeled studio in Denver, CO. Teams will participate in 10 competitive matches spanning five weeks of primetime competitive play, culminating in a Top 4 Overwatch Carbon Series Playoffs.
The AMM is on the last weekend this month btw
Which is the 25th and 26th
Thank mr polo
HYPE
WAIT OMG ZP IS CASTING THAT
I'm just interested to see the new coL roster
ZP and Hex
I was thinking it was gonna be NGE all over again but now I'm hype
the classic duo
^^^^^^^
No uber though

The holy pair of OW casting
NGE had the classic trio
I especially loved the middle guy
Because it reminds me of NGCEO
Kek
At this stage NA has, like, what, one tier 1 team?
Hopefully rogue will turn out to be not shit
Soon to be Misfits.
Nah, that's not really how tiers work
I also figured that out recently
Turns out that c9 and fnatic are tier 2
Yeah
Tier 1 is a team that can beat nearly any team in the world except for other tier 1 teams imo
Then tier 2 beats most but almost always loses to tier 1 teams
Like C9
Basically, atm no team in NA has proven to be competitive with NV
^
I'd like to see Misfits go against nV, because we know they're going to be NA soon in the future.
That's too bad because they're basically out of APEX lol
Half of misfits were all on teams that beat nv
nV 1.0, mind. :P
They know how victory tastes, lul
Gosu's rankings are always fun to look at
I don't care about gosu rankings, lol
They used to be good...
I remember when C9 was on top for so long because they dominated in the beta
Remember how nV was nr 1 during the period where they were nr 3 at best?
Like, gosu weighs old games too much

It's only because EU had no games
There's no doubt that IMT is a good team
and that they've been winning a lot lately
But they're not 5 places above LH good
lol
The next AMM will make things a bit more clear for all of us. :)
Okay but why the hell are is the Carbon tourney during weekdays?
Yeah, I can't stay up late to watch the Carbon Series during the week
Also @balmy wolf I'd say Hammers is already a Tier 2 team
recently???? c9 and fnatic never was tier 1 @toxic yacht c9 is so overrated... like the old NRG
I mostly meant that I recently found out how tiers work
honestly... until OWL there aren't any tier because team are too split, too much NA team, EU scene dead
we thought NV would stomp rogue at atlantic
but we know what happened
I never thought that tbh
I always thought the top 3 EU teams would destroy Envy
and i hope some EU or NA team will destroy envy tbh
i dislike team that win too much xP
75% envy wont win APEX
I just dislike that Envy was NA
With an almost full european roster
and now they have literally no north american players
you should dislike a lot of team now
:c
I only hate Taimou
Really?
To my knowledge, I've only ever really said "I hate him" and "He's toxic"
That isn't how I thought someone would react to the murderer of their parents lol
I was just exaggerating
Usually when someone says that it actually kind of makes sense
When someone shows a lot of hate for someone
for very little done
Taimou is still a kid
AuTSM would kick him instantly
Problem is, that he's good so w/e he do and say its "ok"
For envy
After Thighmou
TSM would have kicked him
100%
TSM kick for retarded reason
They took b1am, ajax and connorJ
But you know
Ajax made a tweet and deleted it not an hour after
NGCEO
but it got screenshotted
and kept
for months
Mykl for the same reason of babybay, but im pretty sure mykl didn't cheat
just so he could be kicked
Tbh if I were b1am and connorJ I'd just leave
fuck ngceo
They both hacked in previous games @Miuki#0008
I believe it was csgo for both of them
NGCEO is better that leave the overwatch scene
Im sure for babybay, not for mykl
Yeah, flex
Anyway i wouldn't left
But im sure i was looking for someone else meanwhile
Because what happened to ajax, can happen to conorj and b1am too
Well it could
But probably not
Because TSM is shit for background checks lol
Is shit generally
CSGO PEA drama was hilarious
Yeah they're just a shit org in general
Both team, players and PEA were ridiculous
The real question is
Who's better? TSM or NGCEO? :^)
TSM
You mean NGCEO right?
Yes
Yeah then, TSM for sure
Im pretty sure #PrayForMisfits would disagree hahaha
/s
I'm pretty sure sojum hates NGCEO too
I know haha
Really... Who likes NGCEO?
Did he have atleast one team in any game?
Anyone watch the premier league?
NGCEO is Northern Gaming's CEO @Miuki#0008
ng is fucking gone
from what i heard they have barely any funding and their org handlers suck
Northern Gaming has teams in plenty of games
ya but they suck
Okay?
looks like their rocket league team is pretty good
but rocket league esport LUL
their rocket league team with remkoe the other guy and the third guy
was okay
remkoe was bae
good surfer in css too
just saw the rlcs and i saw them in semis
i dont like rocket league that much tbh
lucio ball>rocket league
ik
ik
still
i dont follow any esports that closly
is jsut pick up things here and there and watch the big tournaments
GUYS ROGUE BEAT ENVY ๐ฎ
PagChomp
What @Miuki#0008
i can literally never ping you
@Miuki#0008
huh
@balmy wolf
wait
wrong person
@Miuki#0008

nice
Axeman was slowpoking
Then i was mocking him saying something older haha
pls fix name
?
why you guys gotta bully me
Cmon, im kidding :D come here for an hug
huggles
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Won 2-1 vs Nameless, threw KR pretty bad ๐ but other maps were rly stronk ๐playing @GFeSports next!
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shameless selfplug
it didnt end yet it just started an hour or so ago
its super slow
i thought it would have started a lot earlier
Where is it streamed
Can Koreans stop dramaing atleast for 1 week???
@clever wagon ?
@clever wagon nier is nice and all, but you're cotton candy, right?
Rogue
They are still EU in my heart ๐
And they were one of my favourite teams back when TviQ and Reinforce were part of it
After that then probably IMT
FaZe is a weird case, I actually became a fan because of ShaDowBurn, but I kinda ended up liking them less after TwoEasy left
Came for SDB, stayed for TwoEasy, I guess
Same, I don't like them as much anymore
but I might as well stay loyal since I don't care too much about the other teams and Shadowburn is exciting to watch
IMT...
I've watched them play so much I want to see some different teams
Hammers beat Chavs 2-0 apparently
I just wanna see how Mikeya will do
We will see whether he's actually shit or just had a few bad days
Also excited to see how nico fits into Rogue
Go hammer!
Hammers beat chavs who played with 200 ping
remember, c9 and nV consistently beat Rogue before ESL
They played Rogue before the Atlantic Showdown?
yee
BEAT Invitational and Operation Breakout
http://i.imgur.com/KBr4fuN.png
for real? haksal? please dont quit before u face fnatic
ye but this is not open beta
so who cares
looks like CLG improved a lot
i'm happy about that
they were looking so tier 99
now they are 3/4 probably
what a dramaa
NA :DDDDDDD
wow this casting is actually surprisingly good
fishstix and dunno
quality of streaming is high tbh
matches... eh
but ik they are not pro :p
so i don't expect pro plays
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A Citizen 7 player
Wait
What?
One of the Citizen 7 players is playing in the uni tournament
?
a user here
and oh, selfless won
Yeah
ye, just watched the match
Apparently both of their DPS are #1 in their respective region
Which doesn't say too much, but still
dafran is, yee
boosted animal /s
also, evermore is fucking abusing his nr 1 spot by playing 1 game a week
and playing everything else on his smurf "Evermore"
so that he keeps 5000 SR forever
lol
after 6 stacking his way during off hours
Why is the music louder than their voices lol
oh
Yeah
but what do you expect?
A perfect score is pretty much impossible to get and keep any way else
Oh no
He's playing
Juvenile...
Wish in an hard reset in s4
I think Blizz already said they wouldn't do that
Mangachu just emoted
It's over
That shatter hitbox omg
So placements won't do anything anymore? @balmy wolf
Like, what's the point in even having them if you're just gonna be placed in the same rank as last season?
Unless you're totally new
Probably that reason
So the placement matches are supposed to be pointless if you had a pre-existing rank
Might as well just add an option to skip it then ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I won like 7 of my placement matches and I ended S2 as 2400 plat but I got placed around 2000
Yeah idk
Maybe there won't be any this season
Blizz said they were looking to make some adjustments again
Also apparently the KO round of APEX does use seeding
so wtf
The gf is about to start >_>
SelflessGG vs Hammers Esports (BO3) - Enter The Arena: Overwatch - Clipped by President_SDR
pro gameplay
@toxic yacht @balmy wolf
And no, not clones, I change names
I say you change names a lot Sojum but I'm actually a filthy hypocrite ๐ ๐
@clever wagon if I was one of Gankyou's clones, that's what I would say too >_>
Boosted 
It's mostly a tier 3 tournament so you can't expect too much
Though Hammers were disappointing
but if you think back to second half of NGE RNG
shiver
Yeah this
RNG is looking like second half of NGE RNG indeed
They were held for like 4 minutes at the spawn on Route 66
aaaaand it's over
whats wrong?
Hey folks, wrote a short piece about the hype and udnerestimation surrounding the Afreeca Freecs squads. As always feedback is welcome and appreciated be it here/reddit/twitter or w/e.
Investigating the Afreecas mirage
http://www.esportsheaven.com/articles/view/5952/investigating-the-afreecas-mirage
Interesting article, even though I didn't know much of AF before APEX S2
From their APEX S2 matches alone Red seemed better even though they ended up losing all the time
Blue on the other hand, I'm probably only looking at ArHaN's meh plays against Uncia
Any teams needing client work DM me
I thought that cotton candy was just some magical new guy, lmao
usually I check the username if I think that someone just changed his nick
but since that doesn't work with you...
good to know that you sill live though!
are there any current world rankings?
Yeah but they're not very accurate
can you link them?
are you wanting team rankings or player rankings?
id take that with a grain of salt, just saying
_>
pls, Polo's attitude is qt
@pobro thx
np
Lul
Soe > Seltzer because bobs
wot
Soe has better bobs
wot
wot
at least you didn't date her, dump her, and then regret that for months (or years?) afterwards
like 2gd did

boobs? where
anyway soe >x oo seltzer
soe is unbeatable
seltzer is snobbish
tattoos on soe is a +1
Seltzer has better tits
tits aren't eveything
i would choose soe over seltzer
everyday
Seltzer probably has a better ass too
So I'd go with her
even though she's really annoying
<_<
I'll stick to D.Va as my OW waifu though >_>
i would cuddle her 24/7
No one can compete with her
._.
But yeah, seltzer is the better host imo
when it comes to interviewing soe is also good
the tracer cosplay was the best
who's soe
oh
Who even
I mean, I posted 3 images
I'm as lost as a baby in a bar
anyway, you probably aren't familiar with her since you only got into eSports recently
she was at agents rising, ESL and Dreamhack Winter
Nope
iirc matches were on saturday last season
I forgot
grand finals were on saturday
can't remember the rest
They should've packed the group phase's schedule instead tbh
Since we would only have 8 teams in playoffs they could then shift to a less packed schedule instead
remember world cup literally happened between apex
miuki knows
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clown9 ๐ญ
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Look, at least Misfits has a chance to beat Lunatic Hai
whether they 3-0 or 3-1 them is a different story
clown 9 is ded though
There's gonna be a S3 of Apex right?
probably
Dignitas /s
Reu and NiP?
Reu is NA

eUnited
Bench Boys
BB and NiP seem like the only ones able to compete in Apex at all
I wonder if NiP would still lose to Fnatic
they lost vs them back during Dreamhack
admittedly, they played like retards a few times
but that's par for the course with NiP
Well
I meant a defeat anyway
Whether it's a good fight or complete destruction, is what I was wondering

its too early to judge BB as a team ready to compete in apex lol
greyy is pretty unknown
hal mained zarya, forced moving on lucio
twoeasy is not a tier 1 dps
strong part of the team, imo, is winghaven and kryw
kyb depends... good as genji, dunno for other
Kyb is the strongest part of the team imo
100% next invite is for immortals
He played a relatively good Hanzo during ESL
still envy and still misfits
I expect NRG tbh
yeah
iirc they declined this season's invite
lots of seagulรฒ fanboy
Asians love Seagull
He's in korea atm anyway
yeah
But yeah, eUnited and NRG wouldn't really surprise me
im pretty sure c9 and fnatic not anymore
Kek
They also love c9, but they sucked vs kr teams
if they stayed, atleast they would win NGE
we will know the next since they wont get invited anymore lol
Lmao
The roster seriously needs a coach
This can't go on anymore
They have so much individual skill
But are fucking useless as a team rn
kyky hehe : )
i smell drama
If they stayed at NGE it would have gone down so differently
Like
C7, the weakest team in NGE
Replaced C9
I just feel bad for other teams that didnt get through
and then they hear C7 and FaZe get in
Because C9 and Fnatic went to Korea
Can we also get a joke name for FaZe?
Clown9 is nice and all, but other teams are also very deserving of this type of mockery
Kek
Not Really Good is my favourite
Oh right
they won some in qualifier
selfless, method, rise
which aren't totally shit teams
uff... i want overwatch league to happen now!... ๐ญ
Wow, Rise Nation literally lost vs Citizen 0-7
And they wonder why they never get invited

OW League would be nice, yeah
The only thing I fear is what will happen to EU after that
It's like the final nail in the coffin
plot twist, overwatch league will happen only in EU and people have to move
anyway, they didn't stated would be na only
my bet
is online game with ping difference :^)
or dunno... pay flight each week?
like Helsinki NiP vs Detroit Renegades
someone will take a plane and move
really... dunno
There's something planned for EU
good that they are waiting an additional year to add more spectator features, like the minimap, permanent healthbar etc...
but the lack of info are killing us
ik, kaplan said something about it
ESL One Overwatch 
Changed sens to 800 DPI / 2.75 In-game and I suddenly hit every shot with McCree and Widow again ๐ค 8 months of 800/5 and still can't adjust.
inb4 taimou can't hit shit anymore and lose APEX
ryujehong plays on 1600/1.05-1.19(depending on character)
Pixel skip? If they were worried about that, they wouldn't use any sensitivity that gives a total movement value that isn't a ratio of their resolution.
lol, 2.5
how the fuck do you even play with that?
sorry, 2,75
how will he play genji now?
apparently 2,5 was too low, so he upped it to 2,75
now genji is fine, apparently
I'd die with 2,75 genji
prob adjust them based on character
like l will change my winston sens to 12 or 15
though i use 800/10 or 800/8
and im here sitting with 500 dpi 11 sens
I'm sitting here struggling with 800 7
I had to start increasing my sensitivity again
Not being able to 180 reliably to hit Genjis and Tracers got too troublesome.
Up to 1600/3.25 at the moment. Maybe 3.15. I don't recall.
I use a controller
Faze Can't
WeeUnited
Also I think the entire EU roster is going on a bootcamp to KR so they're pretty obviously contenders for an APEX spot next season
Especially since they already got an invite once
What are your bets for carbon?
IMT - Col
LG - RNG
and APEX AFBlue and KD Pantera
looks like matches will be stomps this day
LG - RNG can be close
Yesterday played absolutely terribly yesterday
Fair enough. Could be the closest one.
Can't wait to see new col trials
Is Harbleu still on the team or nah?
Nah, Harb isn't on the team anymore afaik
is OGN APEX affiliated with the future Overwatch League? I didn't even know there was OW esports until last week
No one knows anything about the OWL yet but APEX is affiliated with Blizzard I think
Most big OW tourneys are
Yeah I am not staying awake for the Carbon series, I'll watch the VODs in the morning
Oh wait, APEX in the morning
I'll find time tomorrow ๐
No tournaments except the World Cup are affiliated with Blizzard @balmy wolf
Blizzard hasn't supported any tournaments since the World Cup
@balmy wolf thanks!
So no, OGN is not affiliated with Blizzard or the OWL in any way @drowsy sparrow
Is 1200/7.25 for most of the cast a little high, low, or normal?
for genji i have it set to 1200/10
That would be high
"The Overwatchยฎ Carbon Series is a competitive, five-week tournament featuring Blizzard Entertainmentโs team-based shooter, Overwatch. Since the gameโs debut, players and spectators alike have enjoyed a new pinnacle of team-based shooter competition, and Carbon Entertainment is excited to team up with Blizzard Entertainment to provide spectators with a thrilling Overwatch event."
@balmy wolf
but it's true they haven't organised an event since the World Cup
not directly
"Excited to team up" is very vague
And there's nothing else listed about Blizzard's involvement
It's obvious they're involved to some degree at least
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