game was imbalanced af
#esports-discussion
clever wagon
I don't know, call me bullshit but
The way I look at it
CSGO and DOTA can make it as big as they are now, partly because of their accessibility
forest raven
toxic yacht
complexity
clever wagon
Both are free/cheap, and DOTA while being an RTS had a long time coming, and CSGO is easy for normie eyes
toxic yacht
MOBA
toxic yacht
aka RTS for people who can't multitask
clever wagon
Eh yeah whatever
Never liked those games, I prefer something with a lot of action and movement
Hence FPS
forest raven
Same
clever wagon
Also because I had always been the weekend console gamer boy until I got my first laptop in senior high
And the first games I played on laptop included osu!, CSS and L4D
Not DOTA
clever wagon
Kids around me always went to netcafes after school and play those shit online games with shit business model by LYTO in South East Asia that rival Ubisoft, EA or Koei Tecmo with their DoA while I just went home straight, watch TV or read comics
Then play on my PS/PS2 in the weekends
forest raven
Fuckin nice ๐
clever wagon
And even then the genres I played were fighting, racing, and action-adventure
balmy wolf
The reason DOTA and CSGO are so popular and do so well at eSports is because they are both made by Valve
and Valve stand at the top of the divine summit of games
They can do anything
toxic yacht
also, DOTA and CS have a really fucking long history
and a big name behind them
imo lol would be a better comparison
balmy wolf
so even if Overwatch won't surpass those two Blizz can still make money if it gets more popular as a tier 2 eSport
I honestly don't see OW touneys with 50 million price pots
or whatever
balmy wolf
Also, LoL and Overwatch are completely different
toxic yacht
oh, damn
balmy wolf
Never have and I don't want to'
toxic yacht
it's mostly league players who do that in my experience
balmy wolf
I think it's confusing if people don't do it lol
but anyway, both are completely different genres and LoL is free
It's like comparing golf and football for both being sports or something lol
What I'm trying to say is that even the OWL doesn't become as huge as Blizzard would like it too, it won't be a disaster
They're already sponsoring tournaments right now and making a lot of money off the game
balmy wolf
In what way you think?
toxic yacht
they fucked up every eSport that they meddled with
SC2 was handed to them on a platter
everyone was hyped af
they killed it with their stupid shit
and they are doing some rather stupid stuff with ow (cough cough, fixed map pools)
balmy wolf
Yeah, that's pretty stupid
On the other hand, if there'll be universal tournament rules it'll be more easy for the pros to prepare and scrim
and with a regular schedule and matches too
What did they do wrong with SC2? I don't know about that
toxic yacht
this pretty much
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2z3jwu/how_did_blizzard_hurt_sc2_as_an_esport/?st=iz47alj6&sh=d7fdf774
balmy wolf
It seems most of the issues such as skins and community involvement don't apply to OW though
plus again, the gameplay is nothing alike
toxic yacht
eh, skins in ow are handled well
balmy wolf
Exactly, and the OW actively expands the universe and encourages fans to post fan arts, etc.
Plus they actually listen to complaints
Maybe they've learned from before
if they leave the tournament organization to actual experienced TOs and listen to the pros it might be good
toxic yacht
they definitely learnt, but they still have the issue of this "we know better attitude" and think that their decisions are somehow perfect
remember how they were adamant about hero stacking
etc
balmy wolf
Yes, but in the end they fixed it
Except for Valve, no comany is perfect lol
It might not be flawless but writing it off before any info is even released...
toxic yacht
valve mostly tilts me with how they neglected csgo for a while. The game itself I mean, dunno about the scene
NEW WEAPON SOUNDS
I hope that blizz doesn't fuck it up
I really hope so
OW is the first eSport I ever got into
quartz wren
it feels like valve neglects every game except dota 2 tbh
quartz wren
ah, nice
toxic yacht
the thing is, with icefrog
he genuinly cares about DOTA and makes sure to be a super great guy
quartz wren
ye, they've got someone with a vision who's pulling it forward all the time
toxic yacht
counter strike doesn't really have someone like that
quartz wren
with cs it's probably more of a "design by committee"
I wonder how it works with blizz/ow
is there a "director" who has the final say in everything?
such as Kaplan, or someone similar
toxic yacht
Valve has a super weird structure
quartz wren
they do, people come and go between projects as they please
having someone "lead" an entire game like icefrog does is probably pretty rare there
balmy wolf
They own Steam so they can do anything lol
toxic yacht
that's probably their attitude
but all of valve's recent decisions
point towards them getting better
balmy wolf
One of their games got viewed by 1000000 people at the same time on Twitch so it's obvious they know what they're doing
What if Valve just buys Blizz? lol
balmy wolf
and they merge TF2 and Overwatch in the same game
toxic yacht
are the same company
balmy wolf
Wait really? I never realized
toxic yacht
yeah, they wouldn't really gain anything from it
balmy wolf
They already have the most popular games and gaming platform
toxic yacht
I'm curious about where each team in the OWL will be located
probably Miami Misfits
Las Vegas Rogue
balmy wolf
Probably only US at first I'd guess
toxic yacht
since rogue abandoned EU :(
and misfits probably will too
but yeah, it'll launch in the US first
I hope that EU survives until it expands there
balmy wolf
Maybe with more Blizz support
That recent EU tourney was super fun but the pricepool was practically non existant
toxic yacht
pricepool was pathetic
high school kids have more money on their bank accounts these days
but it's a good start
most teams were participating for recognition anyway
balmy wolf
and that's when EU players are arguably the most talented at the game
Yeah, exactly
but it wouldn't be easy for good players to take becoming a pro seriously with prices like that
Which means the other regions will naturally leave EU in the dust
toxic yacht
there is a good chance that most teams will bail EU anyway
and we'll have to start afresh
balmy wolf
That's what's happening right now unfortunately
EU matches are almost always the most exciting to me
then NA and most KR games are a joke because one team gets beaten so bad
From what I've seen
but I wonder who'll pay the OWL players and what the org's role will be
Will Blizzard sponsor the orgs or just directly pay the players?
and how will they distribute the teams between cities?
and who organizes the OWL anyway? It's certainly not the dev team
Blizzard themselves? Or will they pay a company like ESL to do it for them because they know what's going?
it's them
Blizzard
odd rock
why would I want to buy this game
dusty surge
Will EU get more teams if/when OW League does whatever it's going to do?
If so, will all the EU "NA" teams go back home?
balmy wolf
There most likely will be more EU teams when the OWL does its thing for EU
But the chance of the top EU teams that have moved to NA moving back to EU is very very slim
dusty surge
You think? Maybe not the orgs, but I could see some of them wanting to go back home.
Especially if the money isn't like... celeb money.
toxic yacht
Except EU magically pulls out better sponsors, I doubt that they will. Pretty sure that they'd also need buyouts or something, don't know if it's up to them whether they go back
Oh, and Seagull is gonna dps 100%, NRG is currently looking for an off-tank/flex and support
dusty surge
I'll be interested how existing contracts will work with the OWL stuff.
toxic yacht
At least his talents won't go to waste
Atm Blizzard is identifying steam owners
They'll probably avoid tearing apart existing teams
Probably they'll take team owners and designate them all to specific locations, dunno how they'll handle multiple teams in the same city
Maybe they'll have Miami Misfits and Miami Bongmen? Dunno
dusty surge
Didn't the trailer thingy say one team per city?
toxic yacht
If that's so, then fucking lol
dusty surge
I mean, I doubt that's concrete anyway.
toxic yacht
Do they just intend to force one team to relocate or disolve?
dusty surge
Probably just want to prevent, at least initially, all the teams gravitating to one area.
toxic yacht
Moving everyone around is going to be a massive pain in the ass then
But they definitely already know that
Wonder what their solutions is, actually confront the issue or just fuck a bunch of people over...
dusty surge
I don't think it's a problem quite yet. The teams seem plenty spread out as far as the team housing goes.
limber pine
Anybody remember Tespa Collegiate Series? Their Finals has finally been announced: https://tespa.org/news/20517031/tespa-collegiate-series-overwatch-live-finals
pseudo sail
Hey folks ICYMI, I wrote a piece about the Korean teams in APEX, a mid season power ranking of sorts, trying to summarize them and look at what waits for them in the near future.
Meet the Koreans - the 'Who's Who' of Korean Overwatch
http://www.esportsheaven.com/articles/view/5947/meet-the-koreans-the-who-s-who-of-korean-overwatch
Any feedback is both welcome and appreciated!
verbal mountain
That's a sweet article.
toxic yacht
He writes pretty sweet articles, can confirm
verbal mountain
I got a question, however, partially related. What exactly does "playing for the team" look like?
pseudo sail
for example peeling instead of diving
or let's say you're zarya, you can either stay infront of your team to charge up ults and have everyone protect you or you can stay behind the reinhardts shield closer to your backline and just assisting folks
If that makes sense ๐
verbal mountain
That does make sense, and thanks. I guess I've seen it before by your example, but I've never heard anyone say, "Let's play as a team."
balmy wolf
https://pvplive.net/c/eunited-signs-former-reunited-overwatch-roster WOW, i'm surprised! Not.
dusty surge
eUnited?
Signs Reunited?
There's no way that's not intentional. Is it effectively the same people behind both orgs?
dusty surge
Huh. Hell of a coincidence.
toxic yacht
This is such a meme, lmao
silk linden
the E makes the stripes
balmy wolf
The colours, what they write, what kind of images they post
silk linden
also, "United"
balmy wolf
Is really murican intense
clever wagon
Zebbo embracing the memes
finite topaz
Is there a comp stream on Wednesday?
forest raven
APEX matches are on tonight at 7pm KST @finite topaz
forest raven
np
clever wagon
Baldy today
silent vortex
what team could seagull and his brother virus, with the other 4 players being community (non pro players), go up againist?
solid spear
So Ajax and Nesh have been scrimming with NRG
toxic yacht
I mean, Virus is only master/very low gm
it'd basically be some random ass pub where he's put on the same team with him
pseudo sail
Hey everyone OGN in hour and a half at twitch.tv/OGNglobal. ICYMI I wrote a piece about the Korean teams in APEX, a mid season power ranking of sorts, trying to summarize them and look at what waits for them in the near future. It will hopefully help you get into the tournament even if you've missed games so far.
Meet the Koreans - the 'Who's Who' of Korean Overwatch
http://www.esportsheaven.com/articles/view/5947/meet-the-koreans-the-who-s-who-of-korean-overwatch
Any feedback is both welcome and appreciated! Also feel free to ask questions about the teams and anything else! ๐
pseudo sail
Created a post on the subreddit, including some recent esports related content and info on today's match-ups in APEX. If you're even somewhat interested in pro Overwatch I'd suggest to check it out! ๐
forest raven
https://www.twitch.tv/ognglobal OGN APEX GROUP PLAY CLOUD9 VS. AF BLUE / FNATIC VS. FLASH LUX
BEGINS IN LESS THAN 10MINS
forest raven
That's what I'm here for ๐
balmy wolf
omg C9
umbral palm
Love the casting so far ๐
umbral palm
when did c9 pick up gods?
forest raven
Just before APEX started
toxic yacht
right before their first match
umbral palm
well that can't be good
toxic yacht
They did pretty well with him
forest raven
Gods played a great Hog and an acceptable Genji
umbral palm
๐ค
umbral palm
haha
umbral palm
Mendo: we're gonna be number 1 - They're all cocky, you're supposed to bring banter in those pregame promos
toxic yacht
"Prepare for get rekt by team envyah!"
forest raven
Gotta foster that drama for dem views
balmy wolf
Guess I'm too used to regular sports then
umbral palm
I GET IT 
balmy wolf
Ana is balanced lol
umbral palm
what was that graviton lol
balmy wolf
It's 30 FPS...
umbral palm
Some gamble by Zarya there
balmy wolf
I just realized REU is officially an NA team now...
halcyon nymph
donghyun got 2 gravs before surefour even got 1 but they still lost the fights LUUL
he kinda wasted the first one i guess...
umbral palm
Yeah the first one was terrible
toxic yacht
I watch on medium a ton because my internet is more inconsistent than FaZe
Feel my pain
umbral palm
haha
balmy wolf
lol
halcyon nymph
lmao
warm stag
"pro players"
umbral palm
Mistakes were made
forest raven
Nice one c9
halcyon nymph
That's a tilter LUUL
pine star
What just happened?
umbral palm
they are tilting ๐
pine star
What'd they do?
forest raven
C9 keeps getting team wiped LUL
umbral palm
HAHAHAHHA
balmy wolf
????
halcyon nymph
did they really do that twice in a row ?
umbral palm
IM DYING
warm stag
nice
balmy wolf
Look at AF Blue laughing omg
halcyon nymph
clown9 matchfixing :^)
forest raven
Cloud 9 is AF Blue's MVP
halcyon nymph
it's still so stupid that koth is a bo3
umbral palm
^
pine star
^^^
toxic yacht
ah, it's koth
no wonder why they are so shit then
lol
they'll rek AF Blue in the next two matches
pine star
No competitive ruleset on a tournament, the fuck
halcyon nymph
well there's comp rules, besides koth being bo3
umbral palm
I think they said that games would be too long if it were bo5 in koth
halcyon nymph
instead of bo5
balmy wolf
Yeah, that's why I'm glad about the OWL
Universal tourney rules
cuz this is ridiculous
vestal mortar
lmao
pine star
They worry about match length but the tournament is 4 fucking months long
forest raven
How did c9 fuck up doing the same thing in the span of five minutes
umbral palm
What are you guys on about?
toxic yacht
kinda understand why they did it, but it sucks the fun out of later matches
basically, most matches until now have been a one-sided stomp
halcyon nymph
i mean
this match isn't one sided for now lol
besides the choke9, the map was pretty balanced
balmy wolf
Because both teams are playing like trash
forest raven
As expected, C9 is performing far better on a map that isn't koth
toxic yacht
korean teams just stomp everyone on koth
halcyon nymph
they had a really good point A attack with a good comp read
balmy wolf
Then again, Numbani HEAVILY favors offense
halcyon nymph
and yeah it's numbani
toxic yacht
eh, I predict a 3-1 for C9
umbral palm
The general theme this tourney has been koreans dominating at koth
balmy wolf
If you get the first point you've pretty got it to the end
toxic yacht
only 2 koth matches were lost by koreans
forest raven
nV beat BK Stars and Misfits beat AF Red
umbral palm
yeah
forest raven
C9 throwing for skins
umbral palm
wrecked..
forest raven
TOLD YOU
balmy wolf
DESTRUCTION
umbral palm
I dunno if it's gonna be as onesided
forest raven
That was faster than C9's push LUL
balmy wolf
Even I've never gotten destroyed that badly in comp lol
umbral palm
I did a moment ago, when matchmaking decide to match me with players far below me in rating
halcyon nymph
you also most likely didn't play against a well coordinated and well executed comp like that LUUL
donghyun's ults are pretty meh
if not worse :^)
vestal mortar
The face zooms get me every time
halcyon nymph
2cp inc sPuke
forest raven
balmy wolf
Hope so
umbral palm
2cp should be banned in tourneys
forest raven
Well this round's ending on a 1-0
umbral palm
no good reason not to
forest raven
Drawskaya ๐ค
balmy wolf
wtf happened there?
forest raven
Defence only needs to get one kill to destroy the push
umbral palm
Is there any reason 2CP isn't already banned across tourneys?
forest raven
Blizzard
halcyon nymph
it was pretty much "banned" before since teams could chose the maps
toxic yacht
having 2 adams is irritating af
halcyon nymph
then blizz noticeds that all 3 2cp maps were never played LUUL
so they said "yo, you have to force teams to play those"
toxic yacht
they doin it!
pseudo sail
Worth noting that there are teams who like playing 2cp, but yeah they're not that many ๐
forest raven
Kills were too far apart
umbral palm
look at that mei
forest raven
Blue can delay indefinitely
umbral palm
it's disgusting
toxic yacht
rogue loved 2cp
halcyon nymph
annnd 2cp happens.
toxic yacht
naisuuuu
halcyon nymph
2/3 ticks at 5 min
forest raven
Thank fuck they actually got it
halcyon nymph
can't finish the cap
forest raven
Because Volskaya LUL
halcyon nymph
tbh man
forest raven
It's like fighting in World War I, except they have the Hindenburg Line, and you don't even have a shovel
halcyon nymph
i hate that blizzard notices that those maps are never played, and the only solution they can think of is forcing teams to play them
toxic yacht
half the reason why rogue beat NV at ESL was because they practiced 2CP
halcyon nymph
and not realize that maybe there's a problem with their design
toxic yacht
and snuck in 2 2cp maps
forest raven
So Rogue hates fun
balmy wolf
Ana is so stupid
drowsy arrow
๐ค
umbral palm
HAHAHA
toxic yacht
lol, c9 threw
forest raven
IM A FUCKIN PSYCHIC
vestal mortar
welp
drowsy arrow
no af blue need to win
toxic yacht
Lords
drowsy arrow
so i get monaiz
toxic yacht
kek
vestal mortar
Hehe
toxic yacht
no way c9 can hold for 6 minutes
umbral palm
did you bet on AFB?
drowsy arrow
ye
toxic yacht
dids making ow csgo
umbral palm
that's ballsy
toxic yacht
so, I found this new site
drowsy arrow
ayy
forest raven
If C9 lose to AF Blue they're not getting out of groups lul
balmy wolf
They're copying REU
drowsy arrow
surefour zarya hurts my soul
umbral palm
^
balmy wolf
AF choke?
toxic yacht
ayyy, they can draw this now
umbral palm
I'ts kind of a problem when you have 3 star dps players on the same team
umbral palm
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halcyon nymph
tracer shud have stayed on point and recall the ult :/
warm stag
LMFAO
balmy wolf
That was too much
toxic yacht
my heart
warm stag
If you want a viral vid, just compile the 3 off point c9 fails this match
balmy wolf
I can't wait to watch that replay
umbral palm
Man C9 got so much potential, but they keep doing really big blunders
halcyon nymph
tbh tracer cud have stalled that ult :/
toxic yacht
put gods on soldier and mendo on genji for gods (see what I did there) sake
halcyon nymph
they panicked
forest raven
They completely threw koth because they were too aggressive to actually take the point
balmy wolf
Did Arhan say that? lol
toxic yacht
gods is actually better at genji rn
halcyon nymph
again tracer died ๐ฆ
umbral palm
Surefour has really not done much these games
balmy wolf
He's trying to be Vallutaja
halcyon nymph
his ults on koth were pretty great
toxic yacht
afblue throwing
halcyon nymph
on zarya
drowsy arrow
hm
forest raven
SHUT DOWN
halcyon nymph
he got mendo a 4k with bomb :p
drowsy arrow
these ult rotations...
umbral palm
haha
halcyon nymph
yeah gods geni
wait nvm
i was about to say it's pretty good then he does that LUUL
balmy wolf
If C9 hadn't left the point and capped it they would've just won
umbral palm
Draw incomming
balmy wolf
but now they're gonna lose this because of the stupid tie breaker
halcyon nymph
lol donghyun
drowsy arrow
yay
halcyon nymph
FeelsBadMan
balmy wolf
damn
forest raven
C9's not gonna get past stage 1 of groups lmao
toxic yacht
pathetic performance tbh
forest raven
They're struggling like this against AF Blue, and if they lose they won't beat Uncia
I'm just curious where Surefour's been this whole series
drowsy arrow
not on his main roles
halcyon nymph
classic
forest raven
Surefour played McCree for a bit and still barely did anything
balmy wolf
C9 doesn't look focused for some reason
toxic yacht
I still don't understand why they don't swap Gods' and Mendo's roles
maybe they don't want to lose their 76 when gods goes hog?
halcyon nymph
gods does pretty well on the genji tbh
toxic yacht
his ults are kinda mediocre
drowsy arrow
hero pools ๐๐ป
toxic yacht
flashbacks to NV vs AF Blue on Gibraltar
btw, according to Taimou, the man himself, Recry is one of the best Crees in OW
drowsy arrow
if cloud9 win on gib i will be suprised
toxic yacht
YES
mendo genji
eh, I'm pretty confident in c9
af's only wins were KOTH (because Korea) and barely 2cp because the mode is trash
toxic yacht
and as expected, mendo is doing better on genji
๐ค
also, surefour is on fire this match
@forest raven happy now?
drowsy arrow
ana threw from start, they should stablise on stage 3 or they lose
drowsy arrow
aye
toxic yacht
ah, stabilized just before the point
I take back what I said
Jesus, mendo's genji makes me wet
toxic yacht
wtf was this teamfight?
drowsy arrow
af used a lot to try and contest that
toxic yacht
c9 has even less
drowsy arrow
wait whut
drowsy arrow
๐ค
ok so this is super hard for c9 now
they gotta dry fight or be super pro pro to win
toxic yacht
yeah, this was a junk rush
toxic yacht
ah, nice cleanup
drowsy arrow
damn
balmy wolf
Nice hold
toxic yacht
AF teams have always had super good ult management
also, yeah, nice stabilization after ana threw
drowsy arrow
was the plan all along
toxic yacht
could have cost them the map
drowsy arrow
ye lol
umbral palm
i just think they need a road
toxic yacht
anyway, they want the hog, obviously, and gods is their only good roadhog player
yeah, probably they want the hog
umbral palm
oh god
drowsy arrow
I love how people like changes to hog in ptr notes then when they see results they are like hmmm ok it was a buff
rip
forest raven
C9's getting 3-1'd lol
balmy wolf
I'm indeed very impressed with Recry's McCree
umbral palm
this game must've feel awful for C9
toxic yacht
Even Taimou is impressed
forest raven
C9 can get all the talent they want they still bungle it every time they play against a marginally competent team
umbral palm
It's like they got all the talent, but lack a competent shotcaller
forest raven
C9's not leaving stage 1 of groups kek
drowsy arrow
๐
forest raven
Uncia's gonna 3-0 them as fast as Panthera 3-0'd RunAway
umbral palm
that was disappointing
drowsy arrow
bo5
balmy wolf
Shitty performance by C9
drowsy arrow
my eyes hurt
quasi python
yup
toxic yacht
tbh shitty performance from both
c9 was just more shit
dunno what's up with the match quality this season
forest raven
After that Uncia can rest easy
toxic yacht
maybe it's because I ignored Season 1's group stages
clever wagon
ARGH
What the fuck C9...
AF Blue isn't even on LH/LWB/KDU level.
C9 facing KDU next then?
clever wagon
Fucking rip
toxic yacht
AF Blue is tier 2 by korean standards
clever wagon
Ikr
toxic yacht
athough Korean and EU tier 2 > NA tier 1 tbh
clever wagon
Worse than Panthera even
toxic yacht
Yeah, Panthera overtook Uncia between S1 and some korean tourney
somehow
iirc they beat them
clever wagon
No I mean even now Panthera upped their game with their last match methinks
Compared to their first match
By miles
toxic yacht
This reminds me of when Seagull said that instead of 3 super good teams and 8 good teams, korea has, like, 20 good teams
clever wagon
Before they seemed like tier 2 KR but they be creepin away towards tier 1 with their last match
Fnatic and FL... I probably don't even need to watch this
balmy wolf
This should be an easy one for Fnatic
quasi python
anything can happen
toxic yacht
because they have no sponsor
quasi python
lol
toxic yacht
Fnatic got spanked by Panthera
toxic yacht
but I trust that they can deal with FL
clever wagon
Panthera in their match with Fnatic didn't seem as solid as their last game
toxic yacht
yeah, they got a headset sponser, not sure about an actual org
drowsy arrow
i bet flashlux xd
quasi python
pc bang team win
balmy wolf
It's certainly going to be between those two unless a huge upset happens
so hopefully they'll only meet in the finals
Instead of a repeat of that recent EU tourney with REU and Chavs lol
clever wagon
Ouch casters
forest raven
nV's gonna be the only team to get out of stage 1 of groups imo
balmy wolf
Of the western teams probably
forest raven
I meant to say only foreign team
umbral palm
would be a boring tounrey if Nv was the only team oput of groups
clever wagon
Well, not their fault
forest raven
kek
balmy wolf
It's already a meh tourney so far
forest raven
If Misfits wasn't in a group with two other grand final contenders they would have gotten out of stage 1
toxic yacht
they also got kinda fucked since they only scrimmed NiP when in EU
you lack variety when you play NiP
since you always know what's coming
clever wagon
most NA/EU teams tbh
umbral palm
EU is kind of screwed unfortunately ๐ฆ
toxic yacht
the contrast between NiP's agressive triple tank and the korean dive is also kind of massive
balmy wolf
WE DIDN'T GET IT???
forest raven
If they continue their upward spiral teams like IMT and Hammers could get invited to season 3 lol
toxic yacht
they'll still get destroyed tbh
clever wagon
WE DIDN'T GET IT
forest raven
Yeah probs
balmy wolf
At this point I wonder if IMT has already surpassed C9
clever wagon
IMT and Hammers deserve the spot imo
balmy wolf
Also Hammers showed up one tournament
clever wagon
Regardless
clever wagon
Maybe IMT
balmy wolf
IMT yes
toxic yacht
kek, they won't
forest raven
You also said C9 would 3-1 Blue
quasi python
how about rise nation ,, u know what they sayin
clever wagon
LOOOOOOOOOL
toxic yacht
remember, no scrimming vs korean style
opaque owl
fnatic already lost the point
umbral palm
if fnatic lose i swear i'll eat a baby
toxic yacht
first match was bound to be shit
umbral palm
without dressing
balmy wolf
REU is going on a bootcomp in KR so they'll be prepared :3
toxic yacht
Kruise loves korea
forest raven
I feel like all NA and EU teams should bootcamp in Korea
toxic yacht
can't wait for him to go back
quasi python
pc bang team ftw
clever wagon
PC BANG TEAM FTW
quasi python
get ready for sponsor
clever wagon
At this point I don't even care
forest raven
Fnatic 
clever wagon
Did CM69 hook with 0 ammo TWICE?
Don't think I saw any shot fired when he hooked Veil
toxic yacht
Remember, people said I was retarded when I predicted the exact way FaZe would beat Fnatic
Map by Map
clever wagon
I wasn't here back then lul
forest raven
tfw the clout of an org so far outclasses their actual skill they're struggling against an unsponsered Korean team that has half of their team scrimming in PC bangs
opaque owl
rip first round
quasi python
so whos fnatic main dps? only buds?
toxic yacht
buds and haffi
balmy wolf
Half of their team is ex nV
clever wagon
Still 99-99
clever wagon
LMAO HULK
umbral palm
๐
quasi python
hulk
balmy wolf
That hairstyle is so creepy to me
clever wagon
Whose
forest raven
You mean the Hitler Youth haircut?
toxic yacht
kek
balmy wolf
Yeah
toxic yacht
@clever wagon he meant hulk's
tfw lucio ruins your dragonblade with a boop
I can relate man
I can relate
balmy wolf
No Vonethill's
toxic yacht
oops
balmy wolf
Has Widow even died so far? lol
toxic yacht
ana is balanced
quasi python
madamada bo5
clever wagon
Cmon FL, you might have no sponsor but you have to at least understand the ๏ผญใ๏ผฅใ๏ผดใ๏ผก
You're not supposed to leave Widowmaker ๏ฝใ๏ฝใ๏ฝใ๏ฝใ๏ฝ
toxic yacht
kek
forest raven
I feel like C9's biggest enemy in situations like they were in against AF Blue is C9
clever wagon
NA casters promoting racism against omnics
forest raven
You could tell they were tilting
balmy wolf
Their nickname is Choke 9 after all
forest raven
They couldn't deal with the unprotected Bastion for a solid two pushes or so
clever wagon
Man I love C9 with their fun memes but not like this 
forest raven
There's a reason I'm so pessimistic about my favourite team
clever wagon
I'm the same
toxic yacht
My favourite team is NRG ๐
forest raven
That may change soon, Sojum
clever wagon
I want to root for them so bad but next thing you know they started doing blunders
forest raven
Them being good I mean
forest raven
Same
balmy wolf
Will they be at AMM?
forest raven
Maybe
toxic yacht
they are aiming for the AMM
forest raven
Could be with some trial players and not a determined roster
toxic yacht
their practice will be shit though
clever wagon
LET GO OF WIDOW
What's with Coolmatt and hook shot combo lul
That's 3 times hooking no shots fired
If I didn't miss any other occurence
GOLD DAMAGE CHECK?
forest raven
I think I'll just cut my losses and start cheering for Korean teams
clever wagon
LH is a definite grand final contender ya?
forest raven
Absolutely
I expect LH and LW Blue or nV in the grand final
Perhaps one of the KongDoos
toxic yacht
ohhh, nice blizzard + wall
clever wagon
Both Kongdoo sisters are such strong teams now
opaque owl
fucked up wall tho
clever wagon
Rascal so pro ๐ฎ
forest raven
I see Uncia or Panthera beating nV if they ever meet
clever wagon
Possible tbh
umbral palm
why did iddqd leave fn btw?
toxic yacht
remember, KR is one of Fnatic's best maps
clever wagon
Internal issues n shit
forest raven
RunAway's gonna smash Fnatic tbh
toxic yacht
that deadeye
opaque owl
buds is not an expert mei
clever wagon
HAKSAL
toxic yacht
Haksal my boy
clever wagon
Pretty much 3-0
toxic yacht
now watch fnatic roll on attack
balmy wolf
ugh there it is again
toxic yacht
what, I wasn't wrong about c9 holding
clever wagon
Considering FL they probably gonna be shaken quick on first point
toxic yacht
FL just barely made it through everything
toxic yacht
ah, I come back from the toilet
and see fnatic with a massive ult advantage
about to reach the point
umbral palm
haha
opaque owl
that boop
clever wagon
Not quite a roll
balmy wolf
I thought they were going to choke but I guess not
toxic yacht
they obviously weren't gonna choke
definitely closer than it should have been though
balmy wolf
I meant before the factory phase
toxic yacht
ah, didn't see that bit
dunno what happened
still impressed by flash lux
I really hope that they get a sponsor after this
they deserve it more than some other teams
forest raven
coughfnaticcough
opaque owl
such as?
clever wagon
Haffi + Buds combo @toxic yacht
toxic yacht
I miss iddqd + buds though
forest raven
The next AMM is gonna be more hype than every single APEX match so far kek
clever wagon
Fleta hooked Haffi but before Fnatic actually started their push
opaque owl
@forest raven why
clever wagon
So Fnatic still had their ults ready
forest raven
NRG 2.0, Hammers, IMT, Rogue 2.0
clever wagon
When nano-Haffi + Buds graviton combo happened Fleta didn't manage to do anything
clever wagon
Previously known as Bird Noises @opaque owl
forest raven
But yeah, next AMM will be awesome
clever wagon
Gonna be more fun than the NA/EU teams in Apex now
clever wagon
Ironically
forest raven
And the new blood
clever wagon
Hammers gonna play?
forest raven
Yeap
clever wagon
The 16 y-o (?) Reinhardt main Jake
Naisu
@opaque owl watch Hammers in January AMM if you haven't already
forest raven
Hammers get to test their mettle against IMT, and the probably shaky Rogue and NRG 2.0
clever wagon
Heck even Korea doesn't have such a young tank main, esp Reinhardt at that
That's gotta count for something
forest raven
I fully expect Rogue and NRG to be at like 70% in this AMM
clever wagon
NRG settling their remaining 2 slots when
forest raven
Probably after the AMM
opaque owl
so it's completely unheard of players?
balmy wolf
Jake teabagged his opponent in a tournament match and he's 16
opaque owl
damn
forest raven
They want to participate, but if they don't, they don't
opaque owl
i don't like watching old vods
silk linden
NRG are participating in some tournament soon? When is that?
balmy wolf
Hope REU will join too but probably not
clever wagon
Still not clear @silk linden
forest raven
They could be participating in the next AMM
Some time this month
Could be
Seagull says they don't want to rush things
balmy wolf
Nanoboost shield lol
silk linden
just to have a time frame for when they finish auditioning new players
forest raven
They could play in the AMM with trial players
clever wagon
@balmy wolf still doesn't dismiss the fact that they made the plays work though
forest raven
A lot of "coulds" for NRG atm
opaque owl
didn't expect custa to nanoboost
forest raven
Yeah lol
balmy wolf
I wasn't bashing Jake that's just what I remember about him lol
forest raven
Western teams are apparently better at defending a than the most easily defended point in the game
clever wagon
Also looks like the Swedes made an appointment to bring them flags
forest raven
2CP EL OH EL
balmy wolf
Hammers were great that tourney but I'd like to see more of them against different teams before judging them
clever wagon
It's a start at least
forest raven
Eh
clever wagon
Obv they need to face more teams
forest raven
Next AMM against IMT, (hopefully) Rogue and NRG will show us how good they are
quasi python
AMM twitch channel please
forest raven
random pawn
Hey people Go 4 Overwatch EU January Finals were played yesterday, does someone have a link to the vods?? I cant find anywhere ๐ฆ
opaque owl
wtf was that reverse attack
balmy wolf
Draw incoming
quasi python
so graceful have team now?
clever wagon
Lol what
opaque owl
sombra defense woo
opaque owl
well that failed quickly
balmy wolf
*some engagements
balmy wolf
but it was pretty good
clever wagon
https://clips.twitch.tv/ognglobal/ModernFishPMSTwin THIS WINSTON DEATH
opaque owl
๐ฆ buds why
clever wagon
Fnatic throwing for skins
umbral palm
what does that mean? ^
balmy wolf
That was just a Pharah showcase
opaque owl
??
forest raven
Oh look
opaque owl
what the heck
clever wagon
SOMEONE SPONSOR FLASH LUX TO SPITE FNATIC FOR THAT ROUND
clever wagon
Apart from some weird Unis ults, Flash Lux does look miles better than their first match
WE GOT IT
WILL FLASH LUX GET IT
Who's gonna be pro Bastion main next patch I wonder
halcyon nymph
anyone who played soldier before i guess
clever wagon
THESE SLOW PICKS
toxic yacht
seagull
opaque owl
nice dragonblade 
balmy wolf
They'll hold them at some point though
Damn it
FL keeps choking the fight when they've already gotten a pick
clever wagon
Did casters just tell Veil to off himself 
quasi python
lul struggle
balmy wolf
I prefer casters who are more serious tbh
clever wagon
Not because of the casters
forest raven
I feel like Monte and DoA are bored more than us tbh
halcyon nymph
fleta hard carried
clever wagon
These plays
balmy wolf
Oh yeah Lucio
clever wagon
From both sides
halcyon nymph
monte and doa are fun imo
balmy wolf
Unis is playing atrociously
clever wagon
Both sides are even funnier than the casters
balmy wolf
I just wish we got to the KO phase already
forest raven
I feel like I'm watching the Winter Premiere qualifiers again
quasi python
slow pace match imho
forest raven
Except they didn't take a fuckin month and a half to get over and done with
halcyon nymph
yah other than that it wasn't crazy