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Going back to the cheating issue
I don't understand why players with the level of the TJO brothers and Babybay feel the need to cheat
OMG they're pulling the Muselk strat
mostly because it gives them the edge + money
They're lacking the soldier jacket tho
I didn't watch it, RNG started throwing after they left the bootcamp
why was the defense so far forward
I hope Harb doesn't do his weird ass finger tricks
I want to see it
Harbleu pls
I love it, it's so fucked up
What does Harb plays besides Zarya and Hog?
Yeah but tbh I haven't seen him on anything besides those two
yeah, me too, lul
wat
that one guy doesn't address the camera at all lol
I used to shit on middle guy a lot
But I like him lol he's okey now
He's basically a meme
He even acknowledges it on his Twitter
Pretty sure he mentioned it during the last round of matches as well
I don't even mind Ghost on 3 tank
What I hate is the fucking same comp on everymatch
this feels so weird
lmao rekt
now tork is back to cheats
xD this is so fitting it's ridiculous
Ok I'm gonna say it
Harb is a damn good Zarya
But 70% is ults are complete rubish
yeah, they are
the thing with harb is
he gets his ults so damn fast
I feel like he doesn't value them as much
I noticed lol
BEYBLADE IS BACK TO META YOU GUYS
I love how they're running 2-2-2 now
yeah, probably they only do it on hybrid and 2cp maps
coL, pls
oh god
pls
guys, get your shit together
LMAO
THE DEATH BLOSSOM
rip
not sure you would even try that against one of the better Roadhog's in the tourney
the death blossom that is
Yeah. It's like trying to graviton with DVa spamming DM at you.
SEMBRA HEP
Immortals are probably ready for it
faze did the same thing
they put forsak3n to counterhack the healthpack
and now they want to bait the sombra away
or are they just joking
THE MINDGAMES
The tease man
Man... tork with the ult charge already.
That's what happens when your team knows to use hacked health packs.
The disengaged
Wow.
Damn
Are we going to see another 3-0 roflstomp?
naisu
Harbleu's Roadhog getting outclassed
imo they shoudn't have emp'd so early
if they had waited for a second ult they'd have wiped
I love coL's comp so much
So coordinated
I hate ana ๐
I also hate nanovisor, btw
at least nanoblade takes some degree skill
and genji needs to get super close
well, I don't hate nanovisor
just not a big fan of it
30 damage shots at stupid fast firing rate is OP? NAWWW
btw, they buffed nanovisor in the patch
since he does 20 per unmissable shot instead of 17
nice stealth ult buff that no one fucking needed
Immortals vs Ghost
It's only 5 more damage per shot. Eh.
I insist
Someone knows what's Winghaven doing?
dying
lol
eh, the deathblossom did a ton
tork just cleaned up
getting kills on 4 tanks with death blossom without a nano isn't particularily easy
those staggers
lmao
missing the sleep
shake fragging out
@balmy wolf
:(
lmao, you saw how tork was missing
toootally an aimbot
wtf was that graviton

AYYYY
shit
coL why
Well gg
:(
Is Ana dead
no
No
quad tank
Not even close
still alive and kicking
fucking NA teams
can't play outside of quad tank
I can't wait to see koreans use 2-2-2 again
lul
Tuesday right?
yeah, tuesday
hollywood again
hollywood is one of their best maps
pls don't fuck this up
They better get their shit together now
There we go
this is so messy
but now they've found their shit again
it was mostly good entry kills from ghost, methinks
nice tac-visor
:)
ghost going 2-2-2 now
wow, ghost didn't even push further than their initial push
gj coL
Oh man, held to 1 point. We may not get a 3-0 afterall
they're gonna steamroll
Annnd they fail the first push after getting the first picks.
oh, they aren't
lol
they had sombra, they were at a pure damge disadvantage tbh
but they almost pushed without emp
Sombra + Discord = Good shit
lol wat
Stream just died for me
Lmaooooo
rip stream
Sombra hacked the stream
Dat Symmetra cosplay tho
the CoL curse strikes again
^
Wasn't it these two on Hollywood before when this happened?
I dunno if it was a crash this time. The stream dying as well implies that the entire network dropped.
Probably
Someone tripped on the internet cable!
If we're not gonna have a LAN client we better get a way to save custom games instances
C'mon Blizzard
I always assumed that esport events like this would have the server local.
Blizzard should just make a blackbox that hosts the server, and then give out custom versions of the game that only connect to local servers.
That way there's low risk the server software gets out, and this shit doesn't happen as often.
Plus, no DDoS concerns, no latency issues...
Ahh, yeah.
Gives more legitimacy to their own league over these others. Kinda dirty pool, but whatever.
oh, of course the crash fucks coL over
Wow, they're getting walked.
Did coL's computers die or something? They just burned three ults to lose a fight.
That's like as bad as some of my games go. Fuckin hell.
And it comes down to the 1 point capture
Here we go
3-0
dis crash
Oh right, that's it.
lol
"pls don't close the stream already, we expected these games to be twice as long"
I was asleep lol @toxic yacht
coL got fucked
and another crash
on hollywood
ghost got held before second
then it crashed on coL attack
ghost then pushed to the end
TBF, Ghost was also 60% of the way to a full-hold before the crash.
yeah, they were, but coL still had a pretty good chance cap
You're not wrong. Both teams 3-0'd
3-0'd in maps, and on the one capture map they did, they got 3-0'd there, too.
GrimmReality 1v6d the whole team constantly
[Immortals vs Luminosity] Live Finals Day 1 @ PAX South - Overwatch Winter Premiere presented by NGE - Clipped by md_life
Incase you didnt hear, Connorj, Ajax and b1am are leaving Ghost after the LAN
lol what?
Yep
I head something like that
NBA? The fuck?
I wonder who Ghost will pick up now
the old memes
@balmy wolf https://www.twitch.tv/ignbr
?
its the only esports thing on at the moment
the fuck is wrong with this
it looks so weird
not enough McCree

I keep wondering how these BR teams compare to the NA and EU ones
You mean Korean @wintry matrix ?
If it's Korean, CaptainPlanet's article already gives a gist of it
BR as in Brasil, the teams of the old spice tournament
Moi moi, anyone know of any ps4 tourneys, FeelsPs4Man
It's kinda funny
Soon as I actually managed to start following the pro scene, videos like Zylbrad and Muselk don't interest me as much anymore...
Though I still do follow casual streams
I used to watch his videos
before it all became annoying and repeditive inside jokes
in 20-50 minute videos
when is the final ?
today in 2 hours or something
Nice after the match
What tournament
winter premier finals
D.Va doesnt block projectiles very close infront of her
Thats going to change with that update
Thank god, Roadhog would be way too powerful otherwise
Also the stream is starting soon
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NGE Winter Premiere Grand Finals begins NOW. https://www.twitch.tv/overwatch_nge
/r/Overwatch Survivial Guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/5qhy4q/nge_winter_premiere_finals_survival_guide/
Today's Matches
3rd Place Match: compLexity Gaming vs Luminosity Gaming
1st Place Match: Immortals vs Ghost (formerly Kungarna)
Middle guy hype
I wonder if he'll ever cast another tourney after this
Lets go @toxic yacht
dat airshot tho
the casters always talk more about meta, abilities and fucking ults more than the actual game
jeez
@clever wagon I was wrong, it started 20 minutes ago
Ah ok lol
That's because they don't know what's going on
I was playing comp
What the fuck is with this resolution
720p @60fps?
Monte on Apex still so far away
What the fuck is LG doing lmfao
Eissfeldt probably still has the stagger trauma from AMM
@dusty surge btw, nge is happening, in case you care
Yep
Everything before finals?
online
lol, tbh they should just instaskip to IMT and Ghost
at least they know how to play OW
I feel like ube can only play genji
lol
Ube plays a decent Pharah tho
switches*
Ouch
it is just like
This reso
oh yeah, his pharah is good
even if the switch does not make sense
I feel so bad for Hidan
Yeah
he needs someone to just tell him wtf to do
he's surrounded by trash, lol
He got screwed
I still dont know
why renegades eeps juv3nile
juv3nile is so shit
he never wins the rein mind games
only time he ever hits a big shatter if is his team fucking sets it up for him
rng fell apart after the round of 8 anyway
to the point where i bronze would hit it
the whole manofsnow drama + lack of bootcamp
^
ManOfSnow is kind of a dick, isn't he?
MoS left because the management was shit iirc
MoS left due to drama
and yes, drama
I dunno, he stream is pretty good
Stream is irelavent
LG nice
If you are judging a player ignore their stream
coL Pharah threw
That's why I said 'I dunno' lol
The starting one
poor eisfeldt
WHY THE HELL DIDN'T HE USE CONCUSIVE BLAST!!!
I meant when Nicolas got hooked
Ah xD
for saying nanoblade
I wouldn't insult you out of nowhere :3
to me it looked like he wanted to reserve the boop for after he got hooked
nice dragonblade
lol
Temple of Draws
Here we go bois
Just Drawnubis things
A suprising final standing
6-6?
I honestly hate Apex's tiebreaker format
1 point Oasis
Why tf would you define an entire map on a single stage of koth?
When do the good teams play 
I'm like what the fuck
1 round of koth?
Good teams? Tuesday k a p p a
that's just the korean style
Yeah well fuck the korean style lol
IEM also did it
At least we're getting an equal match
it sucks dick
that's why rogue lost to lh 3-0
basically, they drew 2 matches
then 1 round of lijiang
because draws
and the last round was on koth
ikr
yes, one point koth is the korean tiebreaker
I honestly prefer an entire map
Because they dominate Koth for some reason
Like in MLG
yup. Koreans have gotten much better at koth since season 1 of apex
during s1 western teams used to win against koreans on koth
dunno what suddenly happened
On an unrelated note
Who is that asian lady in that Great Well trailer?
She's absolutely gorgeous
didn't see her
They barely show her on that trailer
The Chinese female MC is gorgeous
time to go backwards in the stream
Forgot her name, but the movie already played in my country...
Jing Tian
but yeah, misfits lost because koreans dominate on koth
I think I'm in love lmao
@toxic yacht that's why it's complete bs
yeah, especially since korean teams are bound to win those
R i g g e d
Hope we won't see such bs rules when the League comes out finally
where they replayed the map
I don't think so
iirc a map got replayed 3 times or so
The tie breaker on the World Cup was another map, right?
koth
3 rounds of koth
the american style is to play on
and then see the results
if the result of the rest of the games is tied, they do 3 rounds of koth
apac just fucking replayed the map that tied, lul
lol, nice ana
super balanced
lmao
2 team kills in a row
coL throwing
What a shitty graviton
^
they threw with that terrible grav
Why would you use it like that with an enemy Reinhardt WITHOUT any setup
useless dragonblade
Not-Korean level coordination/sync issues amped up to 11?
^yeah
third person dragonblades
Probably
Did in game sound just got lower?
ube's genji makes me wet
mostly because all of the skill involved in dragonblades is much less visible in third person
Wait
he was a one trick pony anyway

iirc AF Blue qualified, but the teams were shuffled up
ArHaN is on Red now or something
Wait...
oh, I'm an idiot
blue and red qualified
arhan is still on blue
they're playing in 3 days
That's why
๐คฆ๐ป
I was looking at the match schedule and I was like wut
Not even a pro esports @toxic yacht
I hope he sat down and thought about his useless hero pool really well
AF Blue didn't qualify wut but Uncia v AF Blue
I hope that losing to NV made him go to toilet
face the fucking wall
and rethink his decisions
and "hero pool"
^lmao
I'm so glad Genji is back <3
shadowburn was my only source of genji wetness for a while
happy to see him again
nice barrage 
Oh man
nanoblade
That one was a nnanoblade tho
I won't even complain about you know what
lmao
wtf are coL doing?

these are fucking bots
T h r o w i n g
Man I am sick of Koth today
poor hidan
They only needed to win one fight and they didn't swtich off triple DPS
but tbh I don't think that coL cares much about winning
even if they are 3th place, they still get 12000
so there is no financial incentive to win
probably they are experimenting
Yeah well
Really? lol
That's not good for an esports organization in terms of public image
It's not good for self confidence either
They could probably scrim with them anytime so yeah
I think it's weird when teams don't try their hardest at tourneys, even if they can't win
A shitty mentality imo
No dabbing in the public FeelsBadMan
That cameraman so chill lmao
:)
Winghaven omg
So much fail
coL is such garbage rn
I was a Reunited fan but he makes so many mistakes
Absolutely rolled on
now
coL has to be throwing at this point
Zen + Tracer makes me moist

^mfw this game
wtf is coL doing
@forest raven don't watch this when you wake up, lol
it'll only bring you pain
He's a masochist
๐ญ
Next they'll say it's c a l c u l a t e d
how did superplouk just fall off
A charge probably
there was no lucio in the killfeed
Another Winghaven classic
hopefully a charge
I don't want to belive the other possibility
lmao, this is such garbage
Throwhaven
#JustNAThings
Absolutely rekt
I think that APEX has spoiled me
Probably lol
These are tier 2 teams at best
I'll be sad if tork goes tracer
who won?`
but the thing is, sombra is kinda predictable these days
Yeah
@devout topaz no one yet
ty
but coL was so good back during dreamhack
Luminosity is winning tho
People change
and they almost beat no practice no sleep sick taimou envy
No sombra ๐ฆ
yeah, probably everyone was expecting sombra
so they didn't pick her to fuck with them
wat
coL throwing again
did LG pay them or something?
omg stop about that game coL won about NV
winghaven was so good back at ow open
He was good on the World Cup too
winghaven was so good back when ReUnited was the second best EU team
dunno what happened
I think ima watch ESL again after this
A little early transcendence, wasn't it?
Not that I play him too much anyway
I also barely play him, but my trans timings are abysmal
Premature load?
this is the match for the third place right?
ye
2:18 AM
Which is weird because I play quite a bit of Lรบcio, and I consider my ults to be mostly on point lol
Boi
oh god
And they're both pretty similar
This isn't Apex and I should go to sleep
lmao aren't you gonna wait for the big boys?
Euh.. not sure
5:19 pm here
in other words, actually good teams
Dunno probably sleep soon
Again...
wot is dis
why did he use the graviton ๐ฆ
NA ults
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Sneaky
Absolutely rekt
I see coL is well on their way to another 0-3.
THIS is a good graviton
Damn
great shatter by winghaven
smh, these casters
He's reading from the script.
That air shot was so beautiful from Nicolas
but they definitely improved, lol
I hope that they get even better at their next tournament
Improving from being a pile of shit to a smaller pile of shit isnt much of an improvement
They better fucking do
They're going from top tier team, to the team that took a map off EnVy, from scrub tier
lol, way to fuck up a team fight
eh, NV was in a pretty weakened state, so I can see why they didn't do as well
Almost lost that match
coL has still gotten more shit though
and yes, how did the almost fuck this up
lol
imo shake should have swapped to ana
but eh
@toxic yacht I know, but that's what they're called now apparently
he already blew trans
they better get their shit together and do what they know that works
pls
ayy, nicolas on mei
When was coL a top tier team?
NICOLAS WHAT ARE YOU DOING
wingdying
Oh he's back
gg
๐
gg
ggez
that was so bad
Ube still carrying and untouchable by coL's last effort
Teo is pretty bad
@toxic yacht not enought to describe that shit
I guess sleep for now
2:31 AM, I probably gonna wake up like 6 AM
@clever wagon have some rest
Anubis + Lijiang for the 1st set tiebreaker
Night dude
but according to a certain someone current LG and Rogue were trash in scrims
Nights
and it shows
apparently only Misfits gained from the 3 way trade
in theory misfits is fucking stacked
Yeah
Zebbo just NEEDS TO STOP FUCKING THROWING
PTSD memories of that match with Zebbo throwing on Widow on Gibraltar
oh god, don't remind me
"lose and they go home"
But... if LG wins, they go home, too. This is the last match. :(
fucking Zebbo throwing like a soloQ widow
Announcers, pls
Ube is carrying so hard
Just na things
STAHP
YOU OBSERVERS
huh, coL held
naisu
:(
lmao, that ult advantage
how do you throw this
and fuck this up
ube better than shadowburn ?
lol, no
No gonna answer that until I see SDB play on the new patch
If they were to stay in 1st person view I could compare their skill more, but even the way they approach the kills
It's hard to compare
sdb also has a much better moment to moment gameplay
and he regularily reflects ults
FaZe also typically plays against better teams
Harbleu looks so sad lol
tbh it's not that hard to compare, shadowburn's target selection, moment to moment gameplay, shuriken accuracy, ult charge speed and movement are all more impressive with shadowburn
the really big things is that ube looks for enemies
sdb doesn't look for them
he just remembers and predicts their positions
but ube is really fucking good
and yeah, harbleu looks like he broke
oh, that emp was smart
dat sombra gameplay
bait them into falling in and emp
and someone should kill ube
omg
ayy, coL getting momentum again
dat teabag 
What's with all these teabags lately? lol
i love bm tbh
I hope that people don't discourage it because it's "unprofessional" or something
Damn son!
loooooool
pros telling blizzard to take off the cd on crouch
also, jesus, I take back what I said about ube only playing genji
he's really fucking good on projectile in general
how does wingaven always die
Hacked Tracer = walking corpse
Because he sucks now
Nicolas solo carry
That was such a clutch fight
epic pharah battle
nicolas outclassing ube
If Winghaven hadn't hit that...
they got their shit together in the end
๐
Winghaven stopped being shit for 2 seconds
Middle guy didn't
the final after this isn't it ? not tomorow
after this
It was one person and there were no shields in play but still
NAISU
that was fast
ugh noooo
DAAAAAAAAAMN
Pharah is best grill
dat ube engage
Pros fanning the hammer
ube on pharah now
1v1 me pharah
or something
is what ube is thinking
shit, shake ded
rip
HOLY FUCK
how
JFC
Winghaven landed a shatter
- graviton
omg
they have the ult advantage
how did they fuck this up
omg
that barrage placement sucked
rip car
anyway, they put themselves into a really good spot
Yeah, did the car get closed in by the doors?
yeah, Winghavan landed a really good shatter
and yes, the door may have cut the car half
Don't say that outloud @toxic yacht
uber does hyping better
Sounds scary
Hidan loves Junkrat so much lmao
Winghaven dying again in a crucial fight
but can they move it that far ?
oh god, ube nanoblade
they could potentially
but coL has blizzzard, which could fuck them
they need to engage smartly
Look at the ult percentages
oh god
The have them basically all
rip lg
easy mei ult
YES
:c
There you go
Graviton + Blizzard = OP
What a match tbh
coL making me not shit all over this match anymore
What a shitload of ultimates lmao
yeah, lol
Honestly, it doesn't even matter. The Mei ult in that situation was basically an auto-win.
"WHEN WE SLOW DOWN ULT CHARGE TEH GAME WONT BE SO ULT SPAMMY ANYMORE!?!?!?!?"
They couldn't leave the cart, and they'd die regardless.
Well yeah
Sojum, because they need to reduce ult charge by another 25-50%. :P
yeah, mei is kind of mandatory during those situuations
You could argue that you could play with Zarya's bubble
that was probably their train of thought
But it's difficult
Zarya's bubble is only enough to get out of the blizzard. It won't last the entire blizzard duration.
Which one?
That was impossible to hit
The frequency at which you got it, though.
rein shield stoping it....
It was easy to have it two or three times in a single team fight.
Fuckin ridiculous.
before that 20% you could get graviton twice
Yeah. Hit 5 headshots or 10 bodyshots on the way in and you had it.
in one tf
I thought is was 25%
25% global ult nerf, 15% extra nerf for blizzard iirc
Yah
wingaven dead again
Yeah what else's new
again
Again
Was winghaven payed by LG?
I wonder if he has a contract
Superplouk with earth shatter
nice sleepdart
And WH at 40%
but a single pharah rocket won't kill a nanogenji at half hp
dunno if they were even thinking
yeah, the pharah isn't working
Again
WH dead
Winghaven throwing so hard
lol, we'd die of alcohol poisoning
lmao yeah
How can he die so quickly?
this must be on purpose, I don't want to believe anything else
and again
This the worst I've ever seen someone play in a tournament
I wanna see the final already
wow, winghaven survived a teamfight


