Seagull runs into the problem that he can't play two heroes at once on NRG
#esports-discussion
forest raven
jovial eagle
stream isn't tournaments though
balmy wolf
We said that
balmy wolf
Yeah
forest raven
Misfits at Dreamhack
balmy wolf
In this meta not so much
Still been used though
Off the top of my head I can only remember LH using it though
jovial eagle
somewhat related
have you guys seen cloud9 destroy achievement hunters on overwatch?
forest raven
lol yes
jovial eagle
hue
vernal beacon
toxic yacht
tfw seagull's only hitscan is bastion
hard perch
@toxic yacht 😂
jagged crater
Seagull is overrated sure, but he's still a great player. I'm sure if he had better teammates, people that follow the scene closer than fanboys would rate him higher
Since the main problem seems to be miscommunication
silver salmon
seagulls liked cos hes actually a nice guy too
balmy wolf
Its really just his stream and popularity
jovial eagle
as i see it, the game balance changes too often, meta included
stating a player is good can change quite often
plus overwatch is a team game, doesn't make a whole lot of sense to just judge a single player based on his team's performance
balmy wolf
It doesnt really though
Like Seagull is still just as good at Genji
He just doesnt fit into the meta
wanton bronze
the meta hasnt really changed since the last bit of season 2
jovial eagle
yeah seagull is still good on genji
jovial eagle
also, "good" is subjective
there will be people arguing that shadder is a better genji, or shadow
balmy wolf
They are though
balmy wolf
Which is how a genji should play
jovial eagle
i see genji as a opportunist
if someone's weak, go in and wreak havoc
seagull has admitted shadder's better though xD
plus he plays so much mei now
jovial eagle
can genji even be effective with a mccree around?
last time i saw seagul on genji against iddqd on mccree
seagull got shrekt
balmy wolf
Well Iddqd is a godlike mccree
wanton bronze
you would have to dive mccree
with like a zarya bubble or winston
if hes well protected
burnt spire
Anyone heard anything about overwatch leauge
I'm not good enough for it but would like to try
wraith dagger
Is McCree worth playing on console? He seems to rely on pretty precise twitch movements more than anyone else.
balmy wolf
uncut shore
yes i play mccree on console
balmy wolf
How is Roolf as a player?
balmy wolf
I like watching his genji
balmy wolf
makes me realise humans arent created equal
sick musk
I don't think anybody is really :the best"
balmy wolf
That video of overwatch players being intro-d to 21 savage is hilarious to watch
why are pro gamers so awkward on camera (large portion of them)
jovial eagle
that's 80% of the population
balmy wolf
Yeah but it seems like a large percentage of gamers
larger than expected
they either freeze or become cringy af
jovial eagle
also it's bad interviewers
a good interview requires a good interviewer, sometimes a great one, and a good interviewee
have you heard some of the questions these "journalists" ask the pro gamers?
balmy wolf
Oh god
the ones that dont actually watch the game
and are sent as a job
those interviews I truly feel bad for the players
recently i was watching a dota documentary
and some website was interviewing a dota team
first thing the guy asks " so how are you guys preparing for the upcoming League tournmanet"
like really?
jovial eagle
gg
rancid orbit
Does anyone know of a place to find tournaments on PS4 besides battlefy?
sudden bluff
does anyone know tat is there any overwatch esports in july and august?
silver salmon
probably
toxic yacht
Playing against NV looks like fun
Makes me happy to see how far col has come since then
forest raven
coL were the only team to take a map against nV at Vegas
And Harb was the only player, since Mickie joined nV, to force him off D.va
pseudo sail
nexus cup final is supposed to be live now w/ Kongdoo Uncia vs Kongdoo Panthera folks > http://cc.163.com/nexuscup/
mighty valeBOT
Please don't link other discord servers here @spark robin
@wary jacinth
jagged crater
col is still the same roster as they were back then. That's cool that none of them got switched
balmy wolf
They've been the same since Code7 iirc
From the 8th of July till Present
They have been the same roster
balmy wolf
No idea
orchid bronze
@sick musk thank you omg. literally every time I said this people would be like "what are you talking about he's a pro." Even though we know from GM/top 500/semi-pros that some pros are nowhere near as good as their competition. The thing was he was already semi-popular from tf2, and he was the first public guy to be good at genji and pharah back in the beta, but he's nothing more than a pubstomper. Why else would moonmoon, a guy he plays with sometimes, for those of you who don't know, not have any offers at all from pro rosters, since most of them are constantly in flux. They can't get rid of seagull cuz he's so popular and they don't want to deal with a second subpar player in their ranks. It's also why NRG/Luminosity/whatever their non-partner name is hasn't won a tournament in months
balmy wolf
He is a pro though
orchid bronze
You clearly missed my point: he shouldn't be. He doesn't deserve to be. He's the same as every unknown soloQ only top 500 player. He's a fantastic pubstomper but he's borderline trash in organized team play
balmy wolf
Mixup has fallen off since they were LG
I dont think losing Pookz and Gods helped at all
orchid bronze
How do you figure? Do you think he just doesn't have enough commitment to play for a team? Because, from watching him play, it's pretty clear to me that he doesn't
jovial eagle
skillwise he's got what it takes
i don't watch enough to know more about anything else
orchid bronze
clearly
jovial eagle
i suppose it can be argued that a pro is more than just skill, even more so with team leaders
said leader has to rally whole team, maybe even possibly strategize
but i'd never take the results of a team based game to determine a pro's worth
toxic yacht
No no, you forgot? In these circles it's cool to shit it Seagull and vastly underrate his sill
jovial eagle
i get disliking seagull because of his popularity and all, but dismissing him not being pro level baffles me
lol yeah
orchid bronze
I never said he wasn't good, did I?
I just said, I have never seen him playing at the level required of a pro player
orchid bronze
: @sick musk thank you omg. literally every time I said this people would be like "what are you talking about he's a pro." Even though we know from GM/top 500/semi-pros that some pros are nowhere near as good as their competition. The thing was he was already semi-popular from tf2, and he was the first public guy to be good at genji and pharah back in the beta, but he's nothing more than a pubstomper. Why else would moonmoon, a guy he plays with sometimes, for those of you who don't know, not have any offers at all from pro rosters, since most of them are constantly in flux. They can't get rid of seagull cuz he's so popular and they don't want to deal with a second subpar player in their ranks. It's also why NRG/Luminosity/whatever their non-partner name is hasn't won a tournament in months
CoolJ: You clearly missed my point: he shouldn't be. He doesn't deserve to be. He's the same as every unknown soloQ only top 500 player. He's a fantastic pubstomper but he's borderline trash in organized team play
This is what I said earlier. Do I ever anywhere say that he is not skilled?
jovial eagle
you said he's skilled, but not skilled enough to be pro
i think he's skilled enough to be pro
orchid bronze
He is not a good team player. There is also an argument to be made that he is not skilled enough to be a pro. I'm not the person to make that argument, but if he's as good as circlejerkers like @toxic yacht claim he is, why are his teams always losing and not even considered top 3 NA anymore?
jovial eagle
because one dude can't carry a team in a pro tournament?
jovial eagle
unless there's actually someone that's done that, then i stand corrected
heck, take sports for example
Allen Iverson literally carried his team to the NBA finals once, and lost to the lakers
orchid bronze
You just described lebron james in every season before he joined the heat
Also, pippen was trash without jordan, and so were a couple other of his 'star' teammates
Also, it's general consensus among people who actually follow overwatch eSports that his teammates were not the problem, and that most of them were actually better than him, despite playing what the community perceives as "lower skilled heroes"
toxic yacht
Wut? No, the fuck kind of place are you getting your info from?
forest raven
^
jovial eagle
onlly lebron james in 2008, where he reached the finals against the spurs, and got swept
rest of the years he had decent people around him
toxic yacht
Like wut? People who "actually" follow the scene?
I've never seen those magical people who say that
You are literally the first
jovial eagle
there's also the problem of counterpicks
before ana ult nerf
i saw a match between nrg and envyus i think
forest raven
I've always said it's a shame for NRG that Seag can't play Zarya and Mei/Hanzo at the same time
jovial eagle
both triple tank, but seagull was on mei, envyus had a reaper
the beyblade combo destroyed nrg, but seagull played an amazing mei
orchid bronze
@jovial eagle no he didn't lmao. I've been a cavs fan my whole life, his team was trash every year except for the year they had Shaq
toxic yacht
And let me remind you of how uncomfortably close NRG played Lunatic Hai, one of the best teams in the world at the time, back with their old roster
Also, how are we comparing OW to basketball?
jovial eagle
...shaq didn't bring all that much to the cavs e.e
oh i was saying a single player can't possible win it all
several teams in the past has been carried by one player, but never really won it all
that was the parellel i drew
toxic yacht
They are completely different games and solocarying is more possible there than here. Dunno why you'd compare them
orchid bronze
I know he didn't. I was there lmao. Lebron solocarried them for 7 years. the last 4 of those he went to the playoffs, 3 of which they made the eastern conference finals
yeah it was cuz @jovial eagle brought it up and I happen to love basketball so now I can't stop talking about it
toxic yacht
Ah, okay, lul
jovial eagle
there are similarities
that's what analogies are for
and team synergy is a problem for a lot of teams, nrg isn't the one suffering from it
orchid bronze
honestly overwatch is a whole different animal from everything we've ever seen. There's no game that's like it, and that's why so fuckin many people play it
jovial eagle
there have been problems in the past and will be in the future
i like to tease people by saying overwatch is the best moba
competitive moba
orchid bronze
You can pull analogies from fucking pen and paper rpgs like dungeons and dragons. There's no genre for overwatch
It's most nearly an hero-based fps/moba
but even that isn't a good description of it
jovial eagle
Paladins
orchid bronze
Paladins has a way lower skill ceiling and skill floor, as well as very basic gameplay, with a lot more similarities to tf2 than ow, and a lot less similarities to mobas than overwatch. but yes that is the conclusion a lot of people who haven't played both games extensively come to, as well as some who have done that
jovial eagle
im just bullshitting heh
there are people who dismiss overwatch as an esport title though
because too popular??? and no skill
toxic yacht
Probably because the skillfloor is seemingly lower and the game is super easy to get into + extremely straightforward base mechanics
orchid bronze
Mostly because of lower skill celings
ceilings wow
but the skill floor is low because blizz wanted it to be an accessible game. Nobody cares about skill floors in eSports games. CS:GO is ez to learn but it has one of the strongest eSports communities
jovial eagle
overwatch has a decent skill ceiling i'd argue though
so i dunno what the problem is
jagged crater
im just gonna call overwatch a tf2 genre
orchid bronze
It does but the problem is the stuff is hard to find. In tf2, everything with a high skill ceiling, i.e. rocket jumping, sticky jumping, spy gameplay in general, is right out in the open, even advertised. But most of the high skill ceiling stuff in overwatch is just bugged, like the lucio jump glitch, or fixed by the devs, like the melee cancel. So it's actually harder to learn high skill stuff in overwatch cuz you have to find it first
timid belfry
I think the problem with esports for overwatch is its hard to watch
Everything happens very very quickly
While csgo is very slow
So someone immersed in and playing an ow game can follow what's happening
Its hard for a random twitch viewer to jump in the middle of an esports stream
Plus watching an fps game in general is difficult
Cause one player's perspective doesn't show enough information
And you can't see well because of walls
Cs:go compensates by giving spectators vision through walls and sight lines but its not perfect
If u compared it to sc2 or dota it is much easier to see the full extent of what is happening in any particular game
velvet scarab
Lol
terse chasm
@timid belfry if you've been around overwatch for long enough it's pretty easy to tell whats going on by looking at the killfeed and ultimate charges
And also sometimes the casters say things that are from a different player's perspective, not the one on the screen
cunning gate
I don't think it's hard to watch either. Following the camera and what's going on is pretty easy if you get used to it. Really no biggie
orchid bronze
@Lemon#7777 @Vanni#5066 We were talking about how hard it is for people who don't play the game to understand what's going on. I've personally never played DotA 2 and I've played LoL and CSGO very minimally, but I can still watch a stream of these games and know what's going on. I've watched CSGO and ow on eleague with my dad, who's last played game was the original coin-op Pac-Man game, and he somewhat understood CSGO but he had no clue what was happening in Overwatch
timid belfry
Csgo is pro. one of the easiest games for a newbie to watch
Since its basically real life
With irl weapons
minor needle
Never liked CSGO
I come from very friendly games and I just couldn't fit in with that crowd
timid belfry
Exactly
Overwatch is ALOT faster than most other games
Not saying its bad or worse. Just different
toxic yacht
I mean, I have no fucking clue of what's going on when I watch league or dota, as someone who has never touched a moba before the oni skin
It's all gibberish to me
waxen root
That's normal
rotund shoal
same. Even though I went to the LoL semi finals this year XD
waxen root
csgo is very easy to understand as a newcomer
Because you have a clear goal. Shoot enemies or plant bomb
rotund shoal
It was fun, but I had no idea what was happenning
waxen root
Csgo uses reallife weapons, mobas/ow dont
toxic yacht
I also found pro overwatch games easy to spectate the moment I actually got into them. I don't think that spectating OW is that big of an issue
timid belfry
The mechanics of dota are really depth and take years to understand everything but the pace of the game is slower than overwatch
rotund shoal
yea overwatch is so much more fun to watch than any MOBA even for noobs
timid belfry
Then im curious why yall think overwatch has fallen behind on twitch views and esports compared to say dota?
toxic yacht
Also, yeah, cs is a very straightforward game at its most basic level. The minimalist nature of it also helps
waxen root
It's a two-way street, as its faster its more interesting but also harder to understand fully/fast
sonofpaint, overwatch doesnt even exist a year
(yes beta...) but dota, csgo and league existed for years
rotund shoal
any MOBA has a seriously high learning curve, but once you get them, they usually have a larger competitive following because they are more strategic
toxic yacht
Mostly because OW is still really fucking new. The game is pulling impressive view numbers if you consider its age. The world cup got close to 200k at it's peak iirc @sonofpaint
timid belfry
True
waxen root
yea ow esports is really big for its age
rotund shoal
what do you think will happen with the Overwatch League?
jovial eagle
depends on how it's managed
waxen root
owl can be a huge success or a huge flop
everything about it is too unclear to tell yet
rotund shoal
yea I have high hopes for it. I think considering how well the Overwatch team is with PR and community engagement, I think it will be a success
jolly mauve
If it runs the same way as esl pro league it will be amazing i think
delicate sparrow
not to bring up a conversation from yesterday, but I think seagull's problem is the meta hasn't been in a place where more than half of his team can play heroes they're truly comfortable on in a long time
that's less of a problem with skill and more of a problem with hero diversity. I do feel like they performed a lot better at mlg vegas, but they've got a long way to go before they catch up
quaint jay
Missing Diamond
dry cobalt
:kek:
stark thicket
I haven't find a dps player in any of the esport teams over age of 25.. almost all of them are 21 or below. Older ones are tanks or healer. Reaction from young ppl is amazing
forest raven
There will always be exceptions
quartz gorge
Do you guys know any tournaments that are running in the future for mid plats or low diamond?
balmy wolf
thats not for here
hushed rapids
My mmr is dropping so low rn lmao
balmy wolf
Also not for here
quartz gorge
K I'll thought esports and e tournaments
steep oasis
can ana apply her left click heal over time pre-emptively to ful HP targets?
balmy wolf
Top 10 rankings? Who's most dominant, NA/EU/Asia?
forest raven
atm I'd say it's a bit all over the place
EnVyUS is one of the strongest
The new Misfits and Rogue haven't really played enough
balmy wolf
EnVyUs mostly EU or NA?
forest raven
Teams like Lunatic Hai and Uncia continue to be powerful, and LW Red seems to be pretty good, too
EnVyUS is NA
balmy wolf
Ah
velvet scarab
Lol
warm swallow
so this may sound silly but what channel are these tournaments on? I can never seem to find any on
TV
forest raven
@warm swallow OGN events like APEX are streamed on the ognglobal account on twitch, the Winter Premiere which is beginning its 2nd stage on the 3rd is streamed on nge_overwatch on twitch
Majority of the time tournaments are streamed on twitch, MLG events however are streamed on mlg.tv and YouTube
If you want to know what tournaments and events are happening when and where, these three sites are the best places to go:
http://www.gosugamers.net/overwwatch
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/overwatch/Main_Page
http://www.over.gg/
plucky vortex
balmy wolf
http://www.over.gg/ aswell
balmy wolf
They werent before?
toxic yacht
Now they're 8
So an even bigger guy now
I thought that they'd be getting rid of the people who have to go to the army instead of an 8 man roster
Interesting
velvet scarab
Lol
thin elk
4u? @toxic yacht
balmy wolf
yolt
snow sonnet
last night took an L. But then i bounced back
sick musk
do you need to be 18+ to participate in esports?
plucky vortex
depends on the league in question
balmy wolf
Nope
plucky vortex
some of them have rules
plucky vortex
but I think Taimou and Mendo were both 17 when they started
plucky vortex
ah alright
balmy wolf
Taimou was at least 22
Maybe 21
But yeah, so far all tournies have allowed <18
Except for the World Cup
balmy wolf
23 atm
IMT has 3 17 year olds though
Or well
At least 2
I know Agilities and GrimReality are
Not sure if there's a 3rd
pretty sure though
plucky vortex
I don't really mind their age. ingame, it makes no difference
plucky vortex
the personalities that make the most difference to me when watching are the casters
a good caster makes or breaks a tournament
balmy wolf
Yup
The Winter Premiere I believe it was
Had some very meh casters
That combined with this god's gift of a meta made it pretty terrible to watch
But MLG was good, because of the casters
plucky vortex
I like Monte as a caster
toxic yacht
Snow and I think Zombs are 17 too
And the koreans are especially young
Haksal and the new Lunatic Hai guy, Whoru (who also happens to be one of the best korean Genjis) are 15, Nanohana is 16
forest raven
Fuckin young people
balmy wolf
How do these pros get used to these low AF settings
watching ryujehong play ana
and his mouse movements
i swear I'd get carpal tunnel in a day of serious playing on those settings
toxic yacht
you get used to it after some time. As someone who's played fps with his wrist for the past 3 years, yeah, too much effort to get used to arm aiming. I've tried it multiple times, but I keep going back to my wrist and just hurt it. I've upped my sensitivity to 800 8 again because I just can't play when it's any lower
toxic yacht
nice twitch emote @vague eagle
limber pine
Phase 1 of Group Play of the Winter Premier begins today, starting at 3:30 PM PST. Matches will be streamed at https://www.twitch.tv/Overwatch_NGE.
limber pine
yah, Winter Premiere can't bother to update their site to say FaZe has replaced Fnatic
toxic yacht
I was already wondering what happened, iirc FaZe didn't qualify
what happened to fnatic?
limber pine
there
toxic yacht
oh, that sounds interesting
balmy wolf
ooo
toxic yacht
I'd love to see them go up against korean teams
balmy wolf
FaZe vs Kingdom will be interesting methinks
toxic yacht
faze actually played against kingdom at some point
spoilers: Kingdom won 2:1
and due to this being online FaZe is gonna be at a disadvantage again, because 3 EU and 3 NA
the faze curse
opaque owl
2ez is blonde now; everything will be okay
balmy wolf
.>
limber pine
apparently C9 dropped out too, and are replaced by Citizen7
limber pine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
toxic yacht
u wot
rip
winter premier has been a mess anyway
as always, non twitch chat link
because we have the right to stay cancer free
oh, kingdom is under renegades now
balmy wolf
C7 is gonna get fucked
toxic yacht
Kingdom
balmy wolf
idle crater
opaque owl
This event looks like it was made on a low budget
limber pine
Torbjorn headshots FTW
forest raven
@balmy wolf Still watching
jagged crater
kungarna witht he surprise??
earnest patio
never...?
balmy wolf
what?
earnest patio
wrong discussion sry lol
jagged crater
LOL complexity again
jagged crater
always complexity
forest raven
FOR FUCKS SAKE
forest raven
IM SO SICK OF THIS SHIT
opaque owl
No but what now? They play again?
And when will blizzard allow tournaments to run a local server
Or smth
jagged crater
lol replay
opaque owl
@balmy wolf entire replay
jagged crater
hard to say
since it was a close game
Still dont know why it crashes so often for CoL. Very unfortunate
opaque owl
Ye but now sombra won't work probably
forest raven
I'm prepared for coL to get full held 
forest raven
opaque owl
This is painful to watch
forest raven
WHOOOOOOO
opaque owl
They won? 
balmy wolf
The ghost ping
sick musk
How do you even join an eSports team anyways?
forest raven
Be good
Make a name for yourself
Either through streaming or just being really good
sick musk
How do you stream?
balmy wolf
and a recording software
earnest patio
^^^^^^^
clear pollen
junkrat tho
jagged crater
junkrat > tanks
clear pollen
the short moment where a team chose junkrat over lucio
jagged crater
and almost got 2 checkpoints
clear pollen
i wish they didn't switch off, but i get why
jagged crater
and somehow stops working once they switch to standard quad tank
forest raven
omg this is so close
jagged crater
that genji sleep tho
limber pine
that's a pro genji
forest raven
What a close game
I love how even IMT and Liquid are
Day One of the Winter Premiere Group Play:
Renegades 2 - 0 FaZe Clan
Luminosity Gaming 2 - 0 Citizen7
compLexity Gaming 2 - 1 Kungarna
Immortals 2 - 1 Team Liquid
forest raven
It was so close
plucky vortex
balmy wolf
Ever since the Tank meta came in dude
I just
have stopped paying attention to esports
forest raven
I get it
balmy wolf
forced map pools + tank meta
sick musk
Don't necessarily have to follow tank meta
forest raven
Fights can go on for literally a minute and a half and have no one die
sick musk
All about six dps because yolo soloo queue
balmy wolf
We're talking about the pro scene
balmy wolf
Im rewatching that shit after
forest raven
Nah
sick musk
Spent some time on training grounds practicing mccree today
forest raven
No McCree at all :<
balmy wolf
<:[
forest raven
A lot of 76 and Tracer
sick musk
Always having difficulty getting those headshots on those moving targets
Got POTG on soldier though today
was nice
balmy wolf
Just get this meta outta here
sick musk
got a penta with my alt
forest raven
ikr
sick musk
way I see it
forest raven
FeelsSoBad
sick musk
you should be able to play whichever hero you want and do good with it if you actually try
meta doesn't count for shit if you are actually good
balmy wolf
forest raven
sick musk
not just "average" pro mccree
forest raven
@balmy wolf I think he watched Misfits at Dreamhack and thinks it applies to everything now
balmy wolf
Seems like it
sick musk
I've literally watched two or three esports match for OW
and that was not one
what is Dreamhack?
balmy wolf
Have C9 run McCree at all lately Draw?
forest raven
Maybe against nV as well
balmy wolf
Two of the best McCrees in the world
and they only ran it once against a team they had a massive advantage over
balmy wolf
sick musk
Then either their team is stupid or short minded
forest raven
No, because c9 knows Mickie will eat any McCree alive
sick musk
or they are scared to go "off the books"
balmy wolf
That's most likely it
Scared they will lose
And not win the tournament
Sadly, in the pro scene you usually have to follow the meta if you want to win
Moreso with the Tank Meta
forest raven
I feel bad for c9
balmy wolf
the only comp that can really work against 3/4 tanks is 3 dps
Which is very very risky
forest raven
Yep
balmy wolf
And only top teams have ran with success
sick musk
High Risk High Reward
sick musk
completely unbalanced
I however would like to see some heroes buffed rather than nerfs all around
forest raven
I'm sorry the Tracer players all look the same
balmy wolf
:[
forest raven
sick musk
meanwhile tank meta is low risk high reward
sick musk
Tracer completely wrecks tanks when used properly
balmy wolf
Gonna be honest, I dont know who that is
sick musk
Who is Kungarna?
balmy wolf
A team
sick musk
Oh I see
forest raven
I did
sick musk
So where exactly would I apply to join a team?
balmy wolf
Look it up
sick musk
What would I google?
"Overwatch esport team applications"?
wait
Is that what the #lf-scrim-na is for?
oh nvm
earnest patio
um its for scrims lol
sick musk
What are scrims?
earnest patio
costum matches
earnest patio
custom*
earnest patio
ye my bad
woven kettle
I mean, I'd watch a pro costume match
toxic yacht
@balmy wolf Taimou went McCree in their game vs CoL
He seemed pissed off and tilted into playing McCree
CoL almost beat NV, actually. NV then ran 2-2-2 with double hitscan for a few koth maps
toxic yacht
Yeah, it's really impressive to see how good they've become. I was really surprised to see him off D.Va for a short time. Seeing their current performance makes me appreciate NV's Dorado hold from a few months back even more because it allows me to see how far they've come since then
forest raven
I do really think, come mid-2017, coL and IMT will be top tier
People underrate coL too much
@toxic yacht Who do you think will come out as the top 4 for nge
forest raven
coL, IMT, Liquid, LG, Renegades (was Kingdom), FaZe, Citizen7, Kungarna
toxic yacht
IMT, coL, Renegades, and a free space. Free space may be FaZe if they get their shit together and play around their ping. They managed to somehow quality for the OW Open with their internet and did extremely well when there. They are a team that does extremely well on lan, so I hope that they manage
forest raven
I agree with that, but I think the fourth could very well be LG
They lost by the skin of their teeth against coL in day three of the qualifiers
toxic yacht
Oh yeah, LG. I haven't been paying any attention to them since the roster moved to NRG. Yeah, they're still a thing. I forgot. And apparently their doing well. They also exist, but I know pretty much nothing about them at this stage
tacit bear
Hi everyone. Gathering some information around the upcoming OW league by Blizzard and write an article. Your thoughts are needed ! https://goo.gl/forms/vO9oshdd9vkTREC73
limber pine
Day 2 of Group Play for the Winter Premiere begins in ~10 minutes: https://www.twitch.tv/overwatch_nge
Renegades (formerly Kingdom eSports) vs Citizen7
compLexity Gaming vs FaZe Clan
Immortals vs Luminosity Gaming
Kungarna vs Team Liquid
toxic yacht
So, will coL also curse this game vs FaZe and crash it?
limber pine
probably
limber pine
CompLexity outthinking themselves
dusty surge
Complexity burning ults very stupidly at the end there.
That DVa ult could have been used to waste a good chunk of the nano blade.
forest raven
@toxic yacht Did coL run symm and torb on defence again?
limber pine
They ran Torb on defense round of the tiebreaker and they got rolled
tidal thicket
rip liquid
forest raven
Mhm
Day Two of the Winter Premiere Group Play:
Renegades 2 - 0 Citizen7
compLexity Gaming 1 - 2 FaZe Clan
Immortals 2 - 1 Luminosity Gaming
Kungarna 2 - 0 Team Liquid
limber pine
bitter grotto
toxic yacht
Huh, FaZe beat coL
coL kinda threw that game tbh
I believe that they are a stronger team than FaZe, so this was surprising. I'm just happy that FaZe still has a chance
Also, really cool Sombra mindgames frok forsak3n
limber pine
Yeah compLexity really out-smarted themselves.
limber pine
Day 3 of Group Play for the Winter Premiere begins in ~6 minutes: https://www.twitch.tv/overwatch_nge
Renegades vs compLexity Gaming
Citizen7 vs Immortals
FaZe Clan vs TeamLiquid
Luminosity Gaming vs Kungarna
Renegades vs Luminosity Gaming (yes, there's a 5th match today)
toxic yacht
5 matches, huh
Reegades
lmao, you even edited it
it's also in the #overwatch-news post
limber pine
you saw nothing
toxic yacht
cobalt blade
errant pewter
Wrong channel, @cobalt blade
forest raven
@toxic yacht IMT rolled C7, right
toxic yacht
Dunno, didn't watch, am going to sleep soon
forest raven
Aight
toxic yacht
Will watch later today, its half past 2 am
toxic yacht
Wut?
toxic yacht
- Why do you use twitch chat
forest raven
I'm happy about this
toxic yacht
There is an option for popout player
forest raven
I don't want another window
balmy wolf
No no
toxic yacht
I always link the direct stream whenever a tourney is going
balmy wolf
The html one
toxic yacht
Since the ovetwatch open
forest raven
Link this to me
balmy wolf
Before html was a thing that everyone had access to
You could put in a link
so it used the html5 player
and it had no chat
limber pine
twitch chat not updating isn't the worst thing in the world
forest raven
Where is this popout player
toxic yacht
In the options where you change quality and shit
balmy wolf
Its not a separate window
forest raven
ic
balmy wolf
I just used the link a few times and it autocompleted
forest raven
Thank
balmy wolf
and then i just replaced the channel name when i wanted to watch something else
opaque owl
@balmy wolf so is faze out now
balmy wolf
I have no idea
I haven't been following
I watched a little bit of the first match on day 1
and then havent watched any
limber pine
@opaque owl There's another week of matches next week before the top 6 advance
opaque owl
oh i see, thank you
quasi python
the new generation, faze out lol
balmy wolf
I THINK I PLAYED WITH SEAGULL.....
There are plenty of people with the account name seagull
Go on his profile and check
wraith dagger
So how does everyone feel about Hog Hook 2.0?
forest raven
Day Three of the Winter Premiere Group Play:
Renegades 2 - 0 compLexity Gaming
Citizen7 0 - 2 Immortals
FaZe Clan 0 - 2 Team Liquid
Luminosity Gaming 2 - 1 Kungarna
Renegades 2 - 0 Luminosity Gaming
plucky vortex
limber pine
limber pine
yah unfortunate it could never get off the ground
toxic yacht
not as bad as gaming paradise though
yeah, I was very excited to see korean and a few other teams play
it also really fucked over Rise Nation for MLG
since they wasted a week or two practicing the wrong maps etc
limber pine
they already have two replacements too apparently
toxic yacht
oh wait, wingahaven left too?
damn, he was with them so long
they just lost their two tanks
I wonder who the replacements are though. Two tanks or at least 1 tank and 1 dps player
limber pine
aw was gonna ping Kruise, but i don't think he's on the server anymore
balmy wolf
it was mostly asking about titles for his reddit posts 
limber pine
balmy wolf
But still curious
balmy wolf
limber pine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
balmy wolf
I wonder how many pros are in this server
limber pine
a few
toxic yacht
veineless
limber pine
some have joined but most have left
limber pine
surefour was here for a hot second
toxic yacht
tbh surefour would probably thrive in #general-discussion cancer
balmy wolf
kek
toxic yacht
you'll find most pros on the cow discord
limber pine
or the OW
balmy wolf
toxic yacht
huh, zave and zebo are here too
balmy wolf
Being prob one of the most boring games to watch pretty much does the game in for that.
toxic yacht
balmy wolf
I expect it will end up like HoTs..
Tons of money dumped into it and the scene dead a year later
limber pine
HotS is starting the HGC and Overwatch is starting its own league this year
Nothing's dead
halcyon fox
also i wouldn't call it boring to watch
coming from CS it's a nice change from constant fecking dust2/mirage matches
toxic yacht
tbh this is the first time I've heard overwatch being called boring
Normally its always "too much stuff" or something
Complaints about having no idea what's going on, but boring? Wut? Like, you can't tell me that Rogue vs Envy, Rogue vs Reunited, coL vs Penta or misfits vs fnatic was boring
limber pine
In my experience (apologies to ColdSnap), the "boring to watch" and "lol HotS" arguments are brought up by trolls with no real opinion and just want to troll the community
But he can come back and prove me wrong if he wants
dusty surge
There's a bit of truth to the "boring to watch" argument.
Especially when certain low-skill, high-value tactics are spammed. See: Beyblade, triple tank.
Like... oh man, did the two overpaid teenagers both press Q at the same time? Oh how skillful.
dusty surge
Granted, it's not always going to be like that, but that's the argument I can see and agree with to some extent.
balmy wolf
But we all agree that Triple Tank sucks
Like so much
This is the worst meta since Hero Stacking by far
imo
toxic yacht
That's just this specific meta then (thanks Ana), but trying to argue that overwatch as a whole is boring because we are currently in a a shitty FaZe (haha, FaZe, I'm so funny) makes no real sense to me
dusty surge
Yeah, I agree there.
halcyon fox
i'm more comfortable with 2-2-2 most of the time
tanks are slow and despite maining one i like balance
toxic yacht
tbh I really miss op discord meta
Everything constantly died and there was zero diversity, but it was much more of a blast to watch imo
fallow junco
2-2-2 gives variability, great variability. Games with abilities mechanics are like checkmates and now we can't use a lot of nice figures and combinations because of meta, only because of one abilities are obviously much more powerful than another one.
toxic yacht
Rubikon and sharyk in reunited now
late burrow
halcyon fox
watching the faze/complexity matches from the winter premiere the now
balmy wolf
Still waiting for ana boosted symm to take off in pro games
balmy wolf
i'd agree theres something kinda bad about watching overwatch
but its not boring
it's just really difficult to follow the action with so much going on
and ppl like to see big awesome plays by individual players, which its easy to miss
Sojum said that
the most memorable thing from the MLG vegas was the zarya ult on eichenwalde
Which game was that in?
oh no that was the world cup sorry not MLG
lul
halcyon fox
@balmy wolf was that the final play
bc i remember watching a pro game that ended with one whilst drunk and i'm unsure if it's the same one
toxic yacht
Yeah, South Korea won vs USA like that
Basically, USA almost held them at the dreaded Eichenwalde door
Then Zunba came in through the small hole on top and ulted the entire team
ArHaN then came through with his Dragonblade and rekted USA
balmy wolf
@halcyon fox it was the final game in the USA vs SK match
halcyon fox
ah yeah
balmy wolf
and yea what sojum said
halcyon fox
there was another game i watched too shortly after getting it which ended with a zarya ult and a self destruct taking out their entire team
i had never thought to combine ults prior to that
balmy wolf
limber pine
Zarya Ult best combo ult
spring trench
limber pine
Midnight
trim trellis
high noon
real falcon
The wankstains
forest raven
The ambiguously gay sextuple
limber pine
Pizzamen
balmy wolf
The Wildelyfe Preserve
balmy wolf
i want to get into ow esports
whats some of the best matches?
The Semi Finals for the Atlantic Showdown were really good
Like really really good
Also OWOpen EU finals
and Dreamhack Winter finals were good too
forest raven
EnVyUS vs. Rogue and EnVyUS vs. KongDoo Uncia at APEX were great matches, as well
forest raven
toxic yacht
Actually, Dreamhack asa ehole was really fucking good
I'd recommend the whole thing
The entire lan bit of the Atlantic showdown was amazing too. The Atlantic Showdown was the best OW Tourney to date imo
strange jewel
So far, Overwatch Winter has been a let down. I at least appreciate Complexity for using an off meta pick to great advantage. But god this tank meta is boring to watch.
forest raven
I've been enjoying Renegades and IMT play, tbh
Mangachu's a prodigy who excels at pretty much any heroe he plays
And he's played Hanzo, Pharah, Zarya, Roadhog and more
IMT also has variation with Agilities and GrimReality playing Genji and pretty much any other dps
keen goblet
Hey anyone here wanting to do commentary for Overwatch tournaments and such?
Cause some friends and I are trying to get into the Overwatch E-Sport scene. We've hosted rocket league tournaments before this.
pseudo sail
Hey everyone, did a new write-up about other possible roster changes Lunatic-Hai could have made. As always any feedback is welcome be it here/twitter/reddit/etc.
zealous plaza
what
spark meadow
i cant wait for TSM to make their team
balmy wolf
They're taking their time lol
spark meadow
ikr
balmy wolf
Dropping coL was a big mistake for them
undone gale
@velvet shell aaa
summer isle
Reunited is disbanding.
forest raven
Holy fuck
toxic yacht
😦
toxic yacht
@twilit python this is really goddamn sad to hear 😦 WIsh you the best of luck in your future endeavours
dusty surge
How do they run out of money? What operating costs do they even have?
toxic yacht
equipment, probably
lethal viper
Wish they had stayed with Fnatic :/
dusty surge
Well, they should reduce their own salaries, or maybe supplement them with streaming. Travel is fairly cheap, relatively speaking.
And the equipment they already have from being gamers and/or get free from sponsors.
Travel is like the only one that makes sense to me as an expense, but I don't really see how that would tank them financially with the number of online tournaments there are.
cedar wind
left plinth
gunit i feel you so much
i was at 2993
and loss cause i played with a troller that would only play torb on temple of anubis ;/
winter pier
Anyone watching the Winter Premiere?
balmy wolf
Its on?
winter pier
might be on twitch too
dusty surge
Is it actually live again? It was just a rebroadcast on Youtube.
dusty surge
Yeah, they're not live until tomorrow.
winter pier
wtf why is my internet crapping itself
yeah you're right next game is 3:30pm pst tomorrow
dusty surge
Yeah. I was watching it yesterday until R66 where one of the teams took point 2 in OT, and I was like "wait... I've seen this already"
winter pier
Cit7 got dunked on, holy shit
dusty surge
Cit7 was the group that made me think "huh, I could actually be on a pro team"
balmy wolf
kek
winter pier
Faze, Complexity and Luminosity must have the higher GM players
Faze's current roster:
TwoEasy - 4405
ShaDowBurn - 4553
Forsak3n - 4123
zombs - 4126
FCTFCTN - 4265
rawkus - 4534
How do people get picked up by comp teams?
winter pier
Wait, so you gotta make a team so you can compete and then get scouted?
what was the big issue people had with the OW League?
copper cipher
Immortal is doing good
balmy wolf
Indeed
toxic yacht
Their ranks are so low because apart from TwoEasy and ShaDowBurn, I'm pretty sure that they don't play that much ranked. Shadowburn is actually rank 8 in NA or something. They, like most famous teams atm, have also been pros since the beta and already have pretty well known names
vital umbra
surfour
vital umbra
NRG isn't even that good
balmy wolf
I didnt say they were
zealous plaza
generally you get picked up by scrimming and if you perform well, you might get noticed
like with most things though it helps to have connections to people already in the esports scene, whether they're players, player managers, etc.
limber pine
It's not what you know, it's who you know
balmy wolf
here that
toxic yacht
I was on the fucking train and about to leave it, give me a fuckin break
balmy wolf
He has a full time job
and the meta reports take up a lot of time
like a lot
He also probably took a break for Christmas/New Years
@frank frigate would I be correct in saying so?
frank frigate
