esports-discussion

[tawdry wasp]

I know, so funny and original

[supple nymph]

seagull has a team

could be 1v6

[balmy wolf]

kill me

[tawdry wasp]

watch them get a tie

on purpose

[supple nymph]

competent

[thin elk]

correct spelling

[balmy wolf]

:<

[thin elk]

Quit yuor shit Ford

[tawdry wasp]

I definitely missed something

[supple nymph]

dumb emote

[toxic yacht]

faze is gonna cuck them on first

[thin elk]

Oh I'm waiting for it

[supple nymph]

'cuck them on'?

[toxic yacht]

they will full hold

look at faze ults

[thin elk]

Coolmatt is the one person I can think of right away that has a number in his name

[toxic yacht]

fnatic wasted too much time

[final condor]

Krusher has it too

[toxic yacht]

2 more pushes

[balmy wolf]

Forsaken @thin elk

[thin elk]

Kek @final condor

[final condor]

I saw Krusher in top500 NA yesterday

[thin elk]

That's clearly meant to be read as an "e" Polo

[toxic yacht]

welp, no full hold

[balmy wolf]

Its still a number

[toxic yacht]

rip the dream

[thin elk]

I don't count that

[balmy wolf]

So it isnt a number?

[thin elk]

count

[balmy wolf]

Shit

[thin elk]

hue

[balmy wolf]

the alphabet has 27 letters?

i never knew

[thin elk]

Yes

It does

[balmy wolf]

Where does 3 come in?

[thin elk]

Abcde3fg

[balmy wolf]

[final condor]

A4bcde3fg*

[thin elk]

sdb trying to be fancy with his Dva flying

[toxic yacht]

the fuck, how is faze holding

[thin elk]

They aren't anymore

Wait

Yea no

[toxic yacht]

lol

but no ults

[thin elk]

RIP 2ez

[supple nymph]

4-2 4-2

fuck this

[thin elk]

M E T A

[balmy wolf]

EHHH

WHAT THE FUCK

dude

[thin elk]

I do love my Zarya but fuck this

[balmy wolf]

zombs got earthshattered and then used shield

and he didnt go down

what the fuck

[thin elk]

I mean

Stranger things have happened

[balmy wolf]

I didnt say they havent

but wtf

[thin elk]

Yesterday during y'all's scrims some D.va randomly teleported for no reason

[final condor]

are there any Koreans in any team?

[balmy wolf]

Envy

[toxic yacht]

no

[balmy wolf]

wait no

thats thai

dont mind me

[toxic yacht]

there is a thai in envy tho

[balmy wolf]

I JUST SAID THAT

GAWD

[toxic yacht]

lol

😃

[thin elk]

Who dat

[balmy wolf]

Mickie

[toxic yacht]

mickie

[balmy wolf]

gottem

[toxic yacht]

I JUST SAID THAT

[thin elk]

Oh right

[toxic yacht]

GAWD
´

[balmy wolf]

i said it first

[toxic yacht]

its first on my client

lets ask p

how is it with him?

[thin elk]

I was completely omitting mickie for some reason

[balmy wolf]

http://i.imgur.com/3mlycoS.png

[toxic yacht]

mickie is further up with me

p, who said it first with you?

[thin elk]

I see polo first

[balmy wolf]

Rekt

[toxic yacht]

fuck

[thin elk]

🔫

[balmy wolf]

now you look like a dum dum

[thin elk]

Now give him gum gum @toxic yacht

[toxic yacht]

u dum dum

[balmy wolf]

Remember when Gib had an extra point?

[toxic yacht]

lol, it was pointless anyway

[balmy wolf]

That was silly

[thin elk]

No don't remind me

Fucking S1

[balmy wolf]

It just gave free time

[toxic yacht]

I love how he calls SDB a garbage man

[balmy wolf]

cause he's garbage

[toxic yacht]

faze rekking

[thin elk]

How you gonna be a garbage man against 4 tanks

[toxic yacht]

they're gonna win this and take nepal

[thin elk]

Man's a goddamn bulldozer

[balmy wolf]

fnatic stop

stop throwing

[thin elk]

I love seeing pigs fly

[toxic yacht]

this is one of faze's best maps

no surprise

[supple nymph]

http://www.gosugamers.net/overwatch/teams/13896-envyus

[thin elk]

Stoop almost gave it to them

Kek

[balmy wolf]

this throw

this throw

[thin elk]

Doesn't matter anyways

[toxic yacht]

jesus, revenge for kings row

this is such a stomp

[thin elk]

They have 4 tanks and they can't fucking stop Genji and Tracer

[toxic yacht]

i love faze

holy crap

they are so good on lan

[thin elk]

:phrasing:

[final condor]

new meta, 2tanks 2flanks 2supports

[toxic yacht]

holy crap

this was assrape

nepal?

faze won

[balmy wolf]

ythethrowtho

[toxic yacht]

gg blizz, you made fnatic lose

[final condor]

Glad its not ilios

[thin elk]

This was revenge for going M E T A

[toxic yacht]

gibraltar is faze's home turf

no shock there

[balmy wolf]

Man this is the first time one of my predictions is so off

;-;

[toxic yacht]

tbh I expected faze to win

the moment I saw the map pool

also, again, faze is insane on lan

then there is the fact that they beat c9 2-1

[balmy wolf]

I never looked at the map pools for any match

[toxic yacht]

and c9 beat fnatic

[balmy wolf]

C9 beat Fnatic?

But they didnt play did they?

[toxic yacht]

winter premier qualifiers iirc

[balmy wolf]

o

[toxic yacht]

it was online though

like, people always love to forget that faze almost beat rogue at their prime

iddqd is gone, which means that fnatic's mei is gone

[supple nymph]

@balmy wolf envyus vs faze?

[toxic yacht]

that seems a bit bad

[balmy wolf]

No change

[supple nymph]

"Envy 5-2"

[balmy wolf]

Maybe they'll only get 1

[thin elk]

Momentum isn't a thing when you spend 10 fucking minutes between matches

[supple nymph]

on paper envy is so much better

[toxic yacht]

this meta is too good for NV

[thin elk]

Like holy shit

[toxic yacht]

taimou is also an amazing roadhog

chips is a god on ana

[supple nymph]

envy has 92% winrate, #1 world #1 NA

[final condor]

$ lul

[thin elk]

Mendosockie

[supple nymph]

nou

[toxic yacht]

I'll miss the finals though

watching them tomorrow

bye 😦

[thin elk]

Wait no

[toxic yacht]

after this match though

[balmy wolf]

Night

[thin elk]

O

[balmy wolf]

o

[clear pollen]

0

[supple nymph]

0

[thin elk]

🖕 u gois

[clear pollen]

wow huk actually said clown9

[thin elk]

They've been mispronouncing things all day long

[final condor]

when's the final?

[supple nymph]

does huk still play sc2

looks like right now

[clear pollen]

retired

[supple nymph]

@final condor 2 seconds

[final condor]

I mean

[toxic yacht]

hafficool and shadowburn shutdown duty

nice

[final condor]

final of mlg

[thin elk]

You remember when one of the casters said bionic grenade once? @balmy wolf

[toxic yacht]

bionic

[balmy wolf]

Yeah

Mr. X

Said it multiple times

idiot

[thin elk]

Pointless concuss

👌

[toxic yacht]

lol

[thin elk]

Second times the charm

[toxic yacht]

lol

pls go hitscan this time

[pearl cedar]

coolmatt LETS GOO

[toxic yacht]

this is bo3

dont throw faze

[balmy wolf]

tyhro

[pearl cedar]

it is?

[balmy wolf]

thortw

throw

[pearl cedar]

koth was bo5 no

[balmy wolf]

tyhrow

thrtowr

thorw

thewro

throw

[final condor]

rip

[balmy wolf]

GOT IT

FUCK YOU

[toxic yacht]

GO HITSCAN

FUCK

lol

[pearl cedar]

LUL

2 fucking ez bois

[supple nymph]

ded

[thin elk]

gg 2ez

[toxic yacht]

this match

holy crap

[final condor]

he keeps getting shut down so hard

[toxic yacht]

shadow on 76?

pls dont disappoint

[thin elk]

Shadow76

RIP

[clear pollen]

personally i'd rather have lasergod zombs on soldier

but whatever

[toxic yacht]

how did faze do this?

[final condor]

"Ana screams"

[balmy wolf]

because koth

[thin elk]

how does this keep happening

[vestal mortar]

😮

[clear pollen]

thats actually custa screaming

:3

[final condor]

lul

[jagged crater]

i love ana's death scream when she falls

[thin elk]

who is that with the funky hair

[balmy wolf]

ur mum

[toxic yacht]

yeah, pharah isn'T as good on this stage

[thin elk]

Mym

[toxic yacht]

rawkus

has the weird hair

[thin elk]

Wtf

[clear pollen]

fabulous hair you mean

[jagged crater]

ana player w/ the crazy hair

[toxic yacht]

GO FAZE

[thin elk]

When will they learn to not use Pharah against M E T A

[toxic yacht]

FAZE
FAZE
FAZE
FAZE

[thin elk]

Hafficool was so close to being hammer downed holy fuck

[supple nymph]

why pharah vs 4 tanks

[thin elk]

Theoretically the tanks have no good ways of killing her

[toxic yacht]

GO FAZE

[supple nymph]

THATS BETTER

[jagged crater]

4 tanks dont have range to take her out

[thin elk]

Except Hog

[supple nymph]

GOOD OLD 4-2 4-2

[toxic yacht]

roadhog will fuck her

and dva denies her

[jagged crater]

hog could but pharah just needs to keep distance

[clear pollen]

either way, both of these teams would get reamed by NV

[toxic yacht]

lol, cucked the graviton

I mean, in order to be effective on this stage pharah has to be really close range

in roadhog range

[thin elk]

Faze went from a bunch of autists in mw2 to this

Wonderful

[toxic yacht]

faze has the ult advantage

rip fnatic

😉

[clear pollen]

anyone else think its sad that players like hafficool/shadowburn are on dva

[toxic yacht]

SHADOWBURN

[final condor]

rip

[toxic yacht]

@clear pollen yup, I do

FAZE

FAZE

FAZE

FAZEW

[thin elk]

RIP FNATIC

[jagged crater]

but dva is cute!

[toxic yacht]

MA BOIS DID IT

YEEEAH

[vestal mortar]

FAZE BOIS

[toxic yacht]

FUCKED BY THE MAP POOL

[clear pollen]

faze up?

[toxic yacht]

FUCK YOU BLIZZARD

[thin elk]

PRESS F TO PAY RESPECTS TO FNATIC

[pearl cedar]

FNATIC CHOKE? O.o

[toxic yacht]

YOU FUCKED FNATIC

BUT FAZE WON

[tawdry wasp]

fuck faze

[pearl cedar]

i was fucking

[balmy wolf]

WOOOW

fnatic lost

what a surprise

[pearl cedar]

waiting for operator in a telephone call

meanwhile

[clear pollen]

fnatic definitely choked

[pearl cedar]

i missed the gmae

[toxic yacht]

this is what I mean when I say that faze is one of the best na teams

[pearl cedar]

fuck pizza orders in 2016 lul

[toxic yacht]

but no one fucking believes me

[clear pollen]

they blew a 6 minute time bank on volskaya

[pearl cedar]

thats cause

[tawdry wasp]

well now they're gonna get sodomized by envy

[pearl cedar]

faze always chokes

today, fnatic choked way harder

[clear pollen]

faze choked less fnatic

[thin elk]

Fnatic fucking died in the second half

[clear pollen]

fnatic definitely started strong, but just lost their energy

[tawdry wasp]

faze is gonna get 4-1ed in the finals

[toxic yacht]

probably

but holy shit, faze

[pearl cedar]

yea fnatic shoulda won that

[balmy wolf]

Its bo7 i thought

[toxic yacht]

I love you guys

[pearl cedar]

nv is just gonna stomp faze

[toxic yacht]

ye, bo7

[thin elk]

bo7 is ft4

[toxic yacht]

will discuss it with you tomorrow

[clear pollen]

tbh i expect 4-1 envy

[pearl cedar]

inc 4-0 nv

[balmy wolf]

night sojum

[pearl cedar]

i mean

[thin elk]

👋 @toxic yacht

[pearl cedar]

tbh if faze can hook harry

[toxic yacht]

sdb interview

[pearl cedar]

they have a good chance

[toxic yacht]

nono, still here

for now

[thin elk]

There cut it

"My team is relying on me"

-Shadowburn

[toxic yacht]

I mean, his team sets him up

they play around him

and everyone knows it

[thin elk]

Just don't even mention Twoeasy

Fuck it

[clear pollen]

noone wants to talk to dirty roadhog players obvs

[tawdry wasp]

ok now I used to feel kind of bad for shadow since he kept getting fucked by his team a lot of the time but now i see that he's a dick

[balmy wolf]

@twoeasy

[toxic yacht]

he is forced on the hog

[tawdry wasp]

my team is relying on me wtf

[thin elk]

You do realize I took that wayy out of context, yeah?

[tawdry wasp]

he is that asshhole who claims carries all the time

[thin elk]

He said the team was relying on him and Twoeasy

[toxic yacht]

its not being an ass

its simply a fact

even twoeasy says it

they rely on him

they build up around shadow, and he uses the space he creates

it's how they play

[jagged crater]

i dont see how saying his team relies on him is being a dick

[clear pollen]

thats just a fact because genji is a risky pick

[tawdry wasp]

it's like claiming a carry

[toxic yacht]

he does carry

[clear pollen]

they rely on sdb making work out of a risky pick

[toxic yacht]

carrying is his job

[tawdry wasp]

even if he does, you don't claim it

[toxic yacht]

they create space, and he carries

[clear pollen]

i think you're making a chicken out of a feather here

[tawdry wasp]

it's the unwritten rule

[toxic yacht]

as twoeasy phrased it, "If ShaDowBurn isn't carrying, he's not doing his job"

there is no reason for him to be dishonest, its a fact, it's their strat

they build around him, and everyone is aware of it

even his team says it

there is no reason to lie

[clear pollen]

zombs pretty much plays zarya for shadow

[jagged crater]

it's less claiming carry because of shit teammates, more doing his job so his teammates can build around him better and win

[clear pollen]

rawkus gives boost to shadow 99% of the time

[jagged crater]

so it didnt come off as being egotistical

[vestal mortar]

Yeah I don't think sdb was being a dick, there is a lot of pressure on him to preform to a certain level and if he doesn't do his job he fails his whole team

[thin elk]

Zombs saved Shadow so many times on Dorado though

[clear pollen]

well thats just good team support

[toxic yacht]

I mean, again, they build around him, shadow can build up his ult so fast because his team defends him like this

[clear pollen]

there's just that level of trust in faze i think

they trust in shadow to do this thing

[toxic yacht]

if zombs weren't constantly shielding him and he weren't getting chain healed, he'd be a dead man

this support allows him to get dragonblades so fast and be aggressive, hence why he can carry in the tank meta

arhan tried to be too self reliant

which is why he got beaten so hard

he has talked about how he doesn't think much of haksal since he relies on his team

He simply isn't a fan of his team building around him, hence why he got destroyed so badly. He is also a one trick, while shadowburn is actually pretty versatile

then there's also the fact taht shadow is flat out better

welp, I'm gone for real now

[balmy wolf]

night

lol

[toxic yacht]

maybe I'll follow the chat a bit on my phone, but good night

will only get 5-6 hours of sleep today, lol

Cya later today

[vestal mortar]

goodnight!

[opaque owl]

@balmy wolf mlg is bad

got no reinforce

[balmy wolf]

lel

it has ster tho

[opaque owl]

not enough

[balmy wolf]

[jagged crater]

zombs takin his trash talking on the stage daaam

[tawdry wasp]

this utube chat makes me want to kms tbh

[clear pollen]

"Faze down" hulk you're killing me here

[tawdry wasp]

"strategical"

that guy just motioned for 0-4

and he's gonna be right

[supple nymph]

faze keeping 'momentum'

[tawdry wasp]

he was on faze btw

[supple nymph]

about to explode

[tawdry wasp]

innernuck

[rough charm]

HOw do

you even fight harry

[tawdry wasp]

hook him?

tracer

[clear pollen]

i leave to get some food and envyus took a point already lol

mickie is a hungry boy

eating gravs

[jagged crater]

envy too good

[pearl cedar]

oh shit

shadow burn came in clutch there

[clear pollen]

was harry's mouse broken lol

i saw him blowing into it

[jagged crater]

cheetoh dust

[clear pollen]

dorito dust you mean

this is a #mlg event after all

[pearl cedar]

taimou

is so nasty with the hoooks

nanoboosted reaper!

[clear pollen]

nastier mccree shots coming up

nvm lol

[pearl cedar]

CLASSIC TAIMOU

CLASSIC

[jagged crater]

envy still won a 5v6 wtf

[clear pollen]

its easy to see he's rusty on mccree, but damn

[pearl cedar]

LUL taimou

4-0

[clear pollen]

prolly

[pearl cedar]

I think what happened is

mickie survived too long and got a ton of headshots

and they blew alot on harryhook

once taimou came back

there was no one to deal with him

so he got headshots

NV is fucking stacked

at every position

[clear pollen]

yes lets play pharah against harryhook's soldier

[pearl cedar]

its not even fair lol

[final condor]

2 hitscans

back to old meta

[pearl cedar]

naw

this is the current meta

just rehashed

the most viable dps

[final condor]

current meta is 4 tanks

[pearl cedar]

on two extremely accurate players

naw

its 3 tanks and soldier

[final condor]

yaw

[pearl cedar]

3 tanks and a hitscan*

sometimes you see ppl go mccree, sometimes soldier

most peopl been opting into 4 tanks cause you're beefy but

going double hitscan ( the most viable deeps)

vs these guys

is a good decision

also, harry hook is the only reaper i been seeing lol

[clear pollen]

its definitely fun seeing 4 tanks losing

[pearl cedar]

you just need good dps players

[clear pollen]

i want to see this meta die in a fire

[jagged crater]

reaper is still good vs 3 of the tanks

only dva really counters him

[pearl cedar]

yea, dva counters reaper

but if dva isnt constantly in reapers face

then reaper is gonna shit on you

I want faze to get 4-0'd so c9 doesnt feel bad losing to nv us

😛

[dusty surge]

DVa doesn't counter him, she and Reaper are a stalemate.

Huge difference

[clear pollen]

whats funny is that faze would prolly get shit on by those "ok korean teams"

[jagged crater]

in the context of a team fight, dva's matrix nullifies reaper's ult

and her armor reduces his damage greatly

lol mickie makin the envy guys so posititive

i love it

[dusty surge]

Without DM, Reaper shits on her. Reaper also shits on the other tanks, so what DVa ends up doing is sitting on Reaper's face with DM up. Reaper can't do anything, but neither can DVa.

[clear pollen]

if you can catch a dva without matrix, reaper stands a good cahnce

[dusty surge]

She'll eventually have to fly away and he'll have to pick another target.

Neither make meaningful progress on the other in an actual game encounter, but 1v1, Reaper still puts her away.

[jagged crater]

dva can fly away if things dont go right

[thin elk]

Well, if y'all two are just sitting around doing nothing, D.va still has advantage

[dusty surge]

And Reaper can wraith away.

[jagged crater]

also if dva is being healed, she'll be at a huge advantage due to armor

[clear pollen]

the real cancer is that an ana can just nuke a dva back to full if dva just holds matrix for 2 seconds

[jagged crater]

since she has way more effective hp

[dusty surge]

@thin elk True, and why Reaper isn't that good of a pick by comparison. Doing nothing, likely in a position where the rest of DVa's team CAN do something is worse than Soldier or McCree who can put up solid damage without needing to stretch nearly as far.

But calling DVa a "counter" isn't really accurate, because that's not what's going on.

[jagged crater]

LOL ster

if i was a reaper going against 4 tanks, dva is low priority target unless we need to destroy her mech

[thin elk]

The only problem is

If D.va is matrixing against a Soldier or McCree, that's a small area of what they're seeing

DMing a Reaper probably takes up his entire screen because he has to be up in everyone's faces

[jagged crater]

weird torb pick by faze

[tidal thicket]

rip faze

[jagged crater]

faze is getting shredded

[tidal thicket]

i wanted fnatic but :(

[final condor]

SDB is probably getting PTSD from Rus vs Korea

they got rekt in finals there and now getting rekt in finals again

[tidal thicket]

lmao

[stark thicket]

Is that one Faze guy using wireless mouse?

[jagged crater]

what kind of mouse is harry using?

[stark thicket]

zowie

[final condor]

looks very basic

[jagged crater]

zowie fk1?

[stark thicket]

no idea which one but is zowie for sure

[pearl cedar]

rip pharah

picking it into harry

[supple atlas]

Esports arent real sports

[tidal peak]

pleasantly jiggling

[final condor]

faze looks so depressed

[pearl cedar]

its cuase

nothing they do is working

and cant find an answer

their best bet

imo

twoeasy -> tracer

shadowburn -> genji

zombs -> zarya

and your usual 3 on the ana/lucio/rein

[tidal peak]

but then doesn't nv have Winston

[pearl cedar]

have twoeasy try and assassinate chips

and shadowburn can have free reign

harry + chips doubleteaming shadowburn tho

so basically every fight

shadowburn uses reflect

harry stops attacking

chips sleep darts afterward

harry finishes him off

[final condor]

best map

[tawdry wasp]

envy hasn't given up a single point

[pearl cedar]

WIDOWW

[stark thicket]

attack widow on first capture point is the only time this hero is useful lol

yet they put widow as defense hero

[final condor]

harry the mvp

[pearl cedar]

mei wall into death blossom

nastyyy

[tawdry wasp]

watch envy win without losing a single point in the finals

they did not give faze a single point

wow

[tidal peak]

beautiful

[clear pollen]

faze got bodied

[velvet wolf]

Literally

[smoky mesa]

gg envy

[jagged crater]

hulk and taimou said mickie would be official if envy wins mlg

[dusty surge]

Wow, what the fuck was that hook snap from Taimou?

[pearl cedar]

taimou is

an amazing roadhog

LUL TAIMOU

[dusty surge]

I dunno man...

[velvet wolf]

Coming into esports recently, I heard faze was sort of hit or miss, that true? All I saw was miss this time lol

[jagged crater]

they did well until they faced envy

nobody did good vs envy

[smoky mesa]

envy #1

[jagged crater]

not even c9

[velvet wolf]

That's why I ask

[dusty surge]

Something about that hook seemed janky

[pearl cedar]

c9 did better than faze

at the very least

and coL won one map

[clear pollen]

mickie ❤

[stark thicket]

oh sht mickie officially in

[clear pollen]

that was the envyus boss

so prolly confirmed

[stark thicket]

livin the dream life mickie

[velvet wolf]

First time seeing Mickie and he was insane

[pearl cedar]

based on taimou?

what about Manangement?

[tidal peak]

I'm in love with mickie

[pearl cedar]

NV management is gonna be like 'wtf taimou deciding for us"

[stark thicket]

No, the boss came up on stage and said Yes

i think?

[clear pollen]

remove talespin

win two championships back to back

[velvet wolf]

Lul

[jagged crater]

management and mickie will make the final decision but the other 5 teammates love mickie

[clear pollen]

well management looks like they love mickie too

[jagged crater]

upto mickie if he's upto living away from thailand

[clear pollen]

i kinda agree with the analysts, every envyus player looks way happier with the current roster

[jagged crater]

mickie's posititive attitude + winning 2 major tournaments back to back helps

[clear pollen]

complexity was the only team to take a map off them

[jagged crater]

completely forgot huk

LOL

[stark thicket]

envyus are too op.. wish they stream more.

[pearl cedar]

harry streams

chips does too

but they didnt get alot of viewers

[jagged crater]

all of them streamed, i watched all 6 of them

[stark thicket]

yea i followed them

[pearl cedar]

hopefully after this event more people check out their streams

[jagged crater]

chips used to stream

[pearl cedar]

really talented guys

[jagged crater]

cocco started streaming recently

[clear pollen]

harry gets the most viewers when he streams

[jagged crater]

mickie started streaming too

[stark thicket]

mickie started too haha

[jagged crater]

taimou and harry gets the most viewers

[stark thicket]

dps players always do jaja

[jagged crater]

that's true

no shortage of dps players

got to watch cocco and love him. Super chill, plays a sick rein

[pearl cedar]

i think

mickie is gonna blow up on twitch

at least in terms of overwatch viewership

i can see him easily getting 2-3k viewers

[vapid sail]

Mickie is now one of the most popular rookie pro player now.

[stark thicket]

His first day streaming he got like 1k viewers at peak on twitch without anyone hosting him. pretty big

[toxic yacht]

MICKIE IS IN NV

WOLOLOLLOLOLO

REJOICE

[potent tulip]

So

Is shadder2k in any team?

[toxic yacht]

rly cool guys

he's with grego, reaver, wonderfuls and 2 other guys

[potent tulip]

Is it a japanese team or something? I only know reaver

[toxic yacht]

nope, american team

[potent tulip]

Hm, alrighty

[toxic yacht]

grego and reaver used to be on C9

grego was their lucio

and widowmaker during double widow. He and reaver went widow

[gleaming ermine]

haven't been able to watch the last few pro games, how have the new roster changes to luminosity, rogue and misfits affected them

[toxic yacht]

Misfits is actually looking really good. The played LH really closely although they only had 5 days of practice

Dunno about the others

I know, the results say 3-0, but they don't tell the whole story

Basically, 2 draws and both were decided by one round of koth. Lunatic Hai was flat out better on koth. 3rd mao was lijiang, which kind of fucked them

THANK YOU BLIZZARD FOR THE FIXED MAP POOL

[thin elk]

What map is it

Volskaya

Hanamura

ILIOS

[gleaming ermine]

tbh, yeah, even if the score line is 3-0, the game can still be pretty close

good to hear that the trade is working out for them then

[vapid sail]

The stupid map make misfits lose

lmao

btw i think miro's rein is not so good as his monkey

[balmy wolf]

Definitely

[vapid sail]

and someone says that one tank and one dps in LH will serve in the army

so they gonna leave

[balmy wolf]

wow

rip dude

[jovial eagle]

loool

i totally forgot about conscription

[frank frigate]

Good morning everyone, I just posted this weeks' Meta Report. I got meta composition discussion, symmetra analysis, and potential counters this week, let me know what you think in the comments! https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/5jdvdi/overwatch_hero_meta_report_tanks_for_watching/

or just @ me here, Im gonna hop in the shower

[jagged crater]

didint know captainplanet posted here

[balmy wolf]

He posts the meta report weekly

or bi-weekly

[jagged crater]

i usually check the comp subreddit for that but cool to see him post here too

[thin elk]

He posts here, #overwatch-serious and #overwatch

[balmy wolf]

Don't follow OW esports a lot, who are the top 5 teams rn?

Not in order:

EnvyUs
Lunatic Hai
Misfits
Rogue
AF Blue or LW Red

It might be different

I've stopped following recently because of the stale meta

So I havent seen much of the APAC teams

But Envy, Misfits and LH are definitely Top 5

C9 do any good?

meh

top 10 probably

[boreal zodiac]

Yeah the meta is really boring

when they add the support tank it's gonna be a 6 tank queue

Mei is basically a tank too

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crimson gorge]

e"sports"

[toxic yacht]

wut?

[trim trellis]

I think he's making fun of esports being considered a sport

[toxic yacht]

yeah, probably

lul

[jovial eagle]

i mean

sure it can be called something else

[sick shadow]

it should be MLG not esports

[toxic yacht]

MLG is an organization, wut?

[forest raven]

^

[thin elk]

An organization that refuses to use fucking Twitch

[forest raven]

ikr

[thin elk]

🖕 MLG

[forest raven]

They could have gotten five times their viewership if they used Twitch

And they didn't even use YouTube optimally

YT can have a far greater quality than Twitch can

Yet they didn't do it

[thin elk]

And the stream died a ton of times the first day on YT

[forest raven]

lol yep

[sick shadow]

YT cant handle the load

on myspace can do that

I mean twitch

[forest raven]

@toxic yacht c9 did a lot better against NV than I thought

A whole lot better than faze

[toxic yacht]

I didn't watch c9 vs envy, actually

would have been too sad

[forest raven]

Everyone said c9 got crushed

[toxic yacht]

But C9's style seems more capable of going against NV

also, don't forget, FaZe just had 6 games

[forest raven]

But they actually took points and rounds

[toxic yacht]

they were exhausted

but yeah, I actually expect C9 to do better against NV

FaZe seems like the team that NV would see through instantly and crush

which is apparently what they did

[forest raven]

"shutdown shadowburn, win game"

[toxic yacht]

basically, that

[forest raven]

Hulk playing Winston gasmgachi

[toxic yacht]

like, if there is a team capable of shutting down sdb, it's NV

[toxic yacht]

btw, I forgot to post this after FaZe won
https://gfycat.com/TotalWateryBass

[pseudo oracle]

Was that shadowburn ....

[jovial eagle]

if i were a pro gamer

i want my introduction to be me sitting down

and just eating a burger

enlighten me

what exactly does MLG own?

i feel like with a larger organization organizing all the esports tournaments would be better

instead of having these smaller ones with names i don't recognize

[balmy wolf]

like what

[jovial eagle]

APEX

something something invitational

there should be a body

an orgainzation of some sort to include all of esports

actually, just the same genre

one for moba, one for rts, one for fps

that whole deal

[balmy wolf]

Well thats what Overwatch League is for

I for one don't care who hosts it as long as its in watchable quality

[jovial eagle]

i mean from a marketing standpoint

and further expand esports as a whole to become a legitimate business and entertainment

like real sports

esports lack the business sense

i truly believe esports has the potential to surpass sports

by a large margin

just need good organizing and planning

[balmy wolf]

Thats what Overwatch League is for

[jovial eagle]

it's for only overwatch right?

[balmy wolf]

Yes

This is the Overwatch esports channel so

[jovial eagle]

oh i was talking about just the general esports

[balmy wolf]

._.

[jovial eagle]

woops

i just don't think that there should be separate leagues for only one game

that spreads out the viewers

overwatch is growing, hopefully will become a big esports title

[kind lake]

I kinda doubt it sadly

[jovial eagle]

if blizzard markets it well

yeah i have doubts too

gotta put hope on good development, marketing, and management

[kind lake]

i just dont think OW is fun to watch

[balmy wolf]

I could see it becoming big

Easily

[jovial eagle]

oh yeah

they really have to work on spectating

the system needs better viewing

[balmy wolf]

It seems they're mentioning making it better in every update

Still though, with these fixed map pools

idk how far Blizzard will get with OW

[kind lake]

its a sad but true detail about OW

spectating an entire match is kinda ... bad

watching a streamer is ok, since its just their view

but the spectating in pro matches doesnt feel nice

[balmy wolf]

That's some peoples opinions

Like yours

But you act like you're speaking for everyone

There's plenty of people who like watching the pro scene

[kind lake]

A constantly changing viewpoint is kinda tuff, especially in a game where alot is visual information

[balmy wolf]

The people that do think its hard to follow will get used to it

Its not that hard

And once you get used to it, its great

[kind lake]

CSGO works better, since abilities and visual/audio nuances are way different and arent as impactful to viewers

LoL works way better since one screen can capture literally everyplayer and all its information in most cases

[balmy wolf]

Slow paced game = Good esport
Fast paced game = Bad esport

[kind lake]

nope

its about how much informatio vs important information

in league, giving all the information isnt hard at all, since most of the game is a fixed angle viewpoint anyway

[balmy wolf]

Well yeah

The bird's eye view helps MOBAs

Explains why they're the most popular esports right now

Along with CSGO

Which is very slow paced and easy to follow

[kind lake]

in CSGO theres not alot of information that needs to be viewed, you dont need to see grenade tosses or things like that. Since OW is ability based, alot of things are important to viewers and sadly not all of it can be captured at the same time. along with OW being faster paced, which lessens time to give the information to viewers

[balmy wolf]

Well only time will tell

[kind lake]

ofc season players and watchers can assume a good amount of the stuff thats going on off current screen, its still information that isnt being conveyed

Which is why i do hope they come up with a kickass way to air OW in the future

[balmy wolf]

So just because some information isnt being conveyed, it isnt going to be an esport

[kind lake]

didnt say it isnt

it already is, just i see it as a limiting factor

a platform with a "main screen" which is what the shoutcasters use, and then every individual screen of the players available to viewers would be cool

[jovial eagle]

overwatch should be casted like some team sports

maybe basketball

it's hard though since maps are different

and there will be dead angles

will be interesting to see how they improve

[kind lake]

time will tell

[balmy wolf]

To be honest it would probably help a lot if we could view the matches ingame

like CSGO does

[kind lake]

hopefully they get better viewer expierence

[jovial eagle]

view matches in game?

[balmy wolf]

Yeah

[jovial eagle]

i don't understand

i don't watch csgo tournaments btw

[balmy wolf]

Spectate them as they're going on

[jovial eagle]

like first person?

[kind lake]

like if youre spectating a friend

but pro match

[jovial eagle]

doesn't overwatch have that..?

spectating in custom games

[balmy wolf]

No

Well yeah

But there's a limit to the amount of spectators

[kind lake]

you could spectate a pro match. like if you were invited or something. but its not available to the masses

[balmy wolf]

And there's already multiple people in spectators

[kind lake]

^

[jovial eagle]

wait, so there's no limit to how many people can spectate a tournament match?

in cdgo

csgo

[balmy wolf]

Yes

[jovial eagle]

interesting

and i assume that's only on site

[balmy wolf]

I dont know if it does it for every tournament

On site?

[jovial eagle]

er

in person

at the actual venue

is what i mean

and not over some website

[kind lake]

CSGO is a bit more simple, so either streaming the match info or recreating the mactches events are prolly easier

[balmy wolf]

Well

[kind lake]

from a "under the hood" perspective

[jovial eagle]

yeah

[balmy wolf]

In a csgo major for example there would be the live audience, the twitch audience and anyone watching ingame

and anyone watching from any other website I guess

[clever wagon]

Next championships are probably in next year aren't they?

[toxic yacht]

Yeah, winter premiere, in January

[clever wagon]

ic ic

[past kraken]

good to see some ow esport

[quartz wren]

CSGO and Dota use SourceTV (or whatever it's called nowadays - a system anyway where the server sends its spectator data to these relay servers and then clients connect to the relay servers instead of the original server)

which is why they support huge spectator numbers in-game

[toxic yacht]

oh, thanks for clearing it up

OW currently throws everyone on the server, so it could never handle the load of thousands of players at once

[worldly wolf]

https://www.twitch.tv/xetajak

GOING PRO

SUPPORT ME PLS

[toxic yacht]

no

[worldly wolf]

:c

[balmy wolf]

xd

was amazing

[somber patrol]

@tardy quiver sorry but you are a n00b not going to be pro

and you have a fantasy of widow maker kisising you

LOL

funniest thing i heard on stream

lol

[cunning gate]

When exactly is winter premiere? And are the teams participating already known?

[balmy wolf]

2nd of January

[limber pine]

@cunning gate http://wiki.teamliquid.net/overwatch/Overwatch_Winter_Premiere

spoilers obviously

[cunning gate]

Thanks!

[wraith glen]

hi guys

[forest raven]

Hullo

[balmy wolf]

hey

[subtle thorn]

@white summit Don't do that.

[jovial eagle]

...isn't that advertising?

[thin elk]

He is literally saying to go to g2a

Also this isn't even esports

[jovial eagle]

that's a reference link

i know

[thin elk]

Nor is it OW when he posted in #overwatch

[jovial eagle]

i mean, im pretty sure advertising of any sort isn't allowed

[thin elk]

Yeah

[jovial eagle]

not to mention it's g2a

anyways

how about that esports eh?

[forest raven]

LETS GO COL LETS GO

LETS GO C9 LETS GO

[thin elk]

What is happening?

[forest raven]

Nothing atm

Winter Premiere is on the 3rd

[thin elk]

Uy

[balmy wolf]

Oh shit

Apex S2

[toxic yacht]

ye, runaway beat LW Red

again

[balmy wolf]

Remember when people said they'd be the best korean team

lul

[toxic yacht]

they used to be at some point

they also beat Lunatic Hai during IEM

but iirc they're roster changed a bit

[balmy wolf]

After they changed roster

people said they were going to be the best korean team

lul

[toxic yacht]

Oh, lul

R.I.P

This is hilarious

Haksal also kicked them out during Season 1

[silk linden]

am I wrong or do pro players tend to just keep shooting zarya bubbles rather than waiting for them to go away?

[toxic yacht]

They do

Basically, they shoot through the bubble and kill Zarya

Or the person behind it.

[silk linden]

what's their reasoning? They bank on killing th bubble faster than it would go away on its own?

[toxic yacht]

Usually getting a pick + high energy Zarya is more valuable than a 6v6 with a low zarya

Basically, if they have the potential to deal 200 damage, they take the gamble

Usually it's worth it, especially since Zarya is often low when they do it

[silk linden]

yeah, it is definitely a balance of opportunities, which comes down to "will I kill the bubble faster than it would go away on its own"

[toxic yacht]

If say, reaper is shooting Zarya, but gives up two valuable seconds, you can potentially throw your pick

Yeah, it's a delicate balance

A lot of mid-high tier players tend to completely ignore bubbles, which really isn't that good

[silk linden]

it takes 2 genji sword strikes to kill a bubble now right? i wonder it it's worth it then

probably it is on squishies

[toxic yacht]

Yup, basically, another indirect genji nerf

[silk linden]

or on heroes which can't oneshot you

like, bubbled mercy, might as well break the bubble. Bubbled Reaper, let's leave him be

[toxic yacht]

tbh I just ignore the bubble these days when I sword except it's a very high priority target

4 slashes for a kill isn't really worth it

[silk linden]

yeah it's a waste of sword

like how long does it take to do 4 strikes

[toxic yacht]

3.5 seconds or something

[silk linden]

like a third of the total timespan of the ult? half maybe even

yeah

[toxic yacht]

It's just not worth it

[trim trellis]

@toxic yacht I heard you deflected Lucio shots during ult

[toxic yacht]

Wut

When?

I barely even deflect during ult since the nerf (1/3 is a fucking lot), so I must have deflected multiple types of shots/feared a hook or something @trim trellis

[toxic yacht]

@reef moat this moron is back at it

[reef moat]

@keen viper final warning

[thin elk]

?

[toxic yacht]

giftsofsteam

[thin elk]

What is that supposed to mean

[balmy wolf]

scam

[toxic yacht]

the scam link that morons keep posting

[thin elk]

O

[pale ruin]

o

[trim sedge]

Akm is my fav player

[balmy wolf]

Cool

[trim sedge]

Oh

U didn't counter my opinion

Well that was anticlimactic

[balmy wolf]

Why would I do that

I cant tell you who your favourite player is

[trim sedge]

U seem like a swell guy

[jovial eagle]

seagull is my favorite player

even though nrg sucks right now

rip

[balmy wolf]

lul

[jovial eagle]

he's a joy to watch in his streams

[trim sedge]

TEAM ROGUE FTW

THEY BEAT LUNATIC RIGHT

[balmy wolf]

LH have beat them aswell so

[trim sedge]

What about cloud nine

I'm a esports noob

[balmy wolf]

What about them

[trim sedge]

Did they vs rogue

[balmy wolf]

Eh

No they haven't

[trim sedge]

Oh

Envyus

They beat envyus

Ik that

[balmy wolf]

Yeah they beat them in the May Monthly Melee

[trim sedge]

Yeah

I saw half of that tournament

[toxic yacht]

Old c9 went vs old rogue back at gamescom

Rogue beat them, before losing to Reunited and then beating NV

[jagged crater]

results from 3 months ago shouldnt even matter anymore

[toxic yacht]

I'm talking about whether they ever beat them

And NV's APEX victory also wasn't particularly crushing, Rogue could very well have won that

[balmy wolf]

They beat C9, lost to Reu, beat Envy and then beat Reu

[pseudo sail]

Hey folks, first of all happy Holidays to everyone!
Here's my most recent write-up on my key takeaways from the IEM&MLG Overwatch weekend last week.
http://www.esportsheaven.com/articles/5916
As always any feedback and criticism is not only welcome, but encouraged be it here/twitter/reddit and etc 😃

[toxic yacht]

lol

I saw that

your edit won't go unseen

[pseudo sail]

Haha it's ok, happy Holidays dude! I posted it earlier but it wasn't live on the site yet and not sure if it's against the reddit rules to post it again after I deleted it. Got a clue? Wondering as I don't want to give the mods reason to ban me as they don't seem to be too fond of me. 😄

[toxic yacht]

On the comp sub? I honestly have no idea, I only comment there. I'd say that it's fine, but the mods may be a bit triggerhappy

[pseudo sail]

Yeah the competitive one, I think I'll just sit and wait to see if someone else posts it. Anyways enjoy your evening/day. Gonna get up as I've been watching the promotions all afternoon 😄

[balmy wolf]

Seagull is overrated

Tbh

Indeed

[forest raven]

In what way?

[balmy wolf]

Because of his popularity on Twitch, most of his fanbase makes him out to be a God Genji

and like

the best DPS player

When in reality, he's top 10 genjis and probably not even top 15 dps

If you watch him in tournaments he doesn't play like people say he does

[forest raven]

Also the meta isn't too favourable to projectile too much

[balmy wolf]

But he still only plays genji,mei,Hanzo

When people say he plays a certain way, that's in solo queue

[forest raven]

^

[balmy wolf]

Or grouped on the ranked ladder

usually solo though

Solo is vastly different from playing in a coordinated team

[forest raven]

Comp is a completely different ball game to tournament play

[balmy wolf]

He plays Mei, Genji, Hanzo in Ranked

Ye but it's a pro player in solo queue what do you expect he's gonna do well

In the pro scene he plays mostly Zarya

Well he does do well

Sometimes

He's been GM/ Top 500 the last two seasons

When he pressed Q

And was 70-90 in S1