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lol
dat sneaky hog
Just shows that the Worldcup fan vote resulted in a stacked af Korean roster
af.blue just looked so defeated
lul US representative won the APEX lul oh wait
they had no awareness
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Tazmo the NA representation
USA usa
Rogue would have taken this tourney
If not for the meta shift
Like
They totally would have
Man that feels pretty shit
Chips is just like "not bad"
I love Rogue
for this tournament
they got fucked over by the meta shift
FeelsGood 
thailand had to pick thier team
and one of their players had to get along enough
one of the player had to leave

OW scene in thailand is very small too.
and it was possible for them to pick a replacement
apparently the guy who they got along had good tracking
and had a room for the team to play dva
like
sea's overwatch scene is practically zero
@cosmic harborediaz#5606 not exactly
any sea's team?
Untilted Spreadsheet
Some guy in Twitch chat said
"90k split between them is nothing"
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lolwtfbbq
would you like a poorly organized sitex tourney rosters
2 months of playing games = 15,000$
member how stacked team france could've been at the world cup
well,usa got a chance
man they could have had AIMER7
team south korea vs envy
but we get a buncha shit tier twitch streamers on team france ayyy
kek
yeah
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lets play diablo instead
reminds me of TI4
as the tournament went along
jeez dude,if you're chosen to represent your country,you need to have at least the decency to practice
the matches became shittier and shittier
They got paid to go there
so yeah its not like its a big deal
but still
it wasnt entertaining
not like they're gonna care
It could have been
Tale and Ster cared
And Seagull apparently did too
From the Promo video of them
not enough players cared
"We wanna do america proud"
you need all 6 to care
"promo"
"too cold"
yeah..
"diablo is better"
you could tell team SK all wanted to win
all six players obviously wanted to go all the way
you are chosen to represent your country ffs
grab em by the skirt
those jerseys were straight up horrible
Germany 
yeah,australia's jersey just plain better
Nice interview
Team USA's jerseys were better French jerseys than the French's french jerseys
Aaaaand dead chat
When you get $90k easier than getting into the game to win $90k https://i.gyazo.com/c92b54a3821f239021583427d23623b7.png
i would too
I wonder if they get the full 15k each
That dress is interesting
wot dress
No subtitles ๐ค
award ceremony
Mickie voted viewer MVP
mickie already has a fanclub full of korean girls
is mickie the MVP?
viewer mvp
Yosh
oh IC
his happy personality is lovable, not gonna lie
will be shame if Taimou doesn't get the tournament MVP
Chips would probably be the finals MVP as monte mentioned.
these guys are like we dont desrve this
kinda disappointed by recry's play today though
this is tournament mvp
it said finals MVP on the overlay
Looks like that good aim paid off 
btw do you understand korean @jagged crater
oh ๐ฆ
i wanted mickie to say feels good man
Mickie <3
translator guy tournament mvp
Mickie's just great
ayy maybe talespin was the problem
less talespin as a problem but more mickie as a solution
^
he came at such a good time cuz the meta made dva so good
and he's got a great posititve personality to boost morale
i just love mickie's personality
He didn't even play tanks before the World Cup
its obviously what envyus needed
will he get hired?
I don't mean to be spreading rumours but taimou is talking in the hostess lady's ear ๐
im sure envy would love to keep mickie but ultimately upto mickie if he wants to travel around
he said he wants to stay home for a bit
@balmy wolf What's the tourney in London(?)
MGA
Its only 4 teams
Fnatic, Rise, NiP and KongDoo Panthera
Fnatic or NiP will take it methinks
korean team outta nowhere
Nope
Liquid is saying Vegas is 16 - 18 and MGA is 20 - 21
what
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So why care about the date tbh
Yeah but that's a problem for future Drawlords
When is the APEX final?
The APEX final ended a couple hours ago @astral hound
np
Is there anywhere you can watch the vods in English?
Thank you very much!
np fam
Hey folks if you missed APEX's final from today on OGN, you can check out my recap for the match (EnVyUS vs AF Blue). It also includes my picks for players&map of the day as well as player of the tournament.
https://www.stronghold.gg/games/overwatch/overview-of-ogns-apex-finals-afreeca-freecs-blue-vs-envyus/
As always any feedback is welcome and encouraged ๐
Thanks for making these writeups! They were super helpful when I was too lazy to actually watch matches.
Thanks for the nice words! Happy to see people enjoyin them as it can definitely seem as they don't when I look at the reddit votes sometimes ๐ It's been really nice writing exercise though. Takes time away from doing creative stuff but helps fixing mistakes and I took on it as a must do thing, once I started. This way can't get away with "I'm not in a creative mood, will just go read/play/watch smth." ^^
hi
Hey
@balmy wolf yo, don't shit on 4-1-1 so much, Envy also held Rogue at first point Gibraltar using that
was i?
Dunno, it looked like it when I scrolled through the chat
well i said one thing about it
i wouldnt really count that as "so much"
but yeah
it didnt really matter what they ran at that point because they were going to lose anyway
Yeah. I still wish that Rogue hadn't picked NV. I mean, I get the idea behind the decision, but then Blizzard's horrendous update timing fucked them over. It could have made for a much more intense final, tbh
Welp, cooller confirmed on stream that Misfits is getting disolved. Wtf? They just won two majors in a row.
Uhhh @toxic yacht That's seriously fucked. That makes no sense
I have no idea. Maybe it was the same friction in the team that caused kryw to leave, I have no godamned idea
this decision makes no bloody sense otherwise
No, because if you looked at their play, they seemed to have the capability of completely telling the current meta to go fuck itself
I mean, Hidan made a tweet saying "Fuck the meta" after they won, lul
Lol yeah
Has to be some internal conflict, makes no sense otherwise
...and why is this here????
He has spammed it on most of the various topics from what I can tell
So most likely just a spammer/spambot
@quartz wren my luv
can you please verify what @stray trellis said?
apparently he also pmd the link to @sly lagoon
Yes
He did, if I open the DM, it lags my discord
It's some giphy link
Which has some army udde
dude
or something
I can see it for like 1 sec
then my discord lags/crashes
@toxic yacht
Exactly
He send it on PM
now I am very confused
He's muted now
If he keeps spamming you with DMs, ping me
lemme try a different giphy link
probably he realized that this giphy causes crashes in pms
@quartz wren All should be fine if we don't open it right?
It's just a gif so it should be fine either way
Why does it crash discord thou lol
ima send you a differnt giphy as a test
No idea
Sure
Best idea, though, is to not open random links, even if they seem harmless (like just a gif in this case)
Hm
time to turn off embeds
@quartz wren Haven't opened it, just opened the DM
But opening DM Should be fine right?
Yeah
Okay good
nope, lul
nope that giphy works perfect
its just that very specific link
probably he realized that that bug is a thing
and is now spamming it all over the place
what a moron
inb4 the gif breaks all of our pcs
For those that follow the scene https://esports.hollywood.com/exclusive-rogue-misfits-and-luminosity-negotiate-three-team-trade-deal-5cf1a9a5b410#.5xz2s7f14
rip
RIP indeed
That new Misfits lineup is amazing
Well, rip rogue
TviQ and aKm were my favourite dps duo, sad to see them get ripped apart
There also seems to be some overlap Soon and aKm both hitscan, TviQ amd Nevix also overlap. TviQ plays fucking everything but imo he plays their shared heroes better.
Imagine the current Rogue (minus Skipjack of course because German) had gone to the world cup... A man can dream
U_U
;-;
U_U
holy shit, yeah these are huge changes
how did rogue agree to this? they were arguably the best EU team, now they're not as strong i'd say
Well
In my opinion at least, Reinforce is the better rein so
thats a loss there
but SoOn is really good on quite a few heroes
like
really good
whereas TviQ is really good on a lot of heroes
i dont know where im going here
but basically it isnt that big a deal
tl;dr Misfits = Best team EU
Indeed
They were the best EU team previous to this aswell really
But now
wew
LG is looking pretty good too
so,the new misfitst will be reinforce,tviq,iddqd?
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it happens
I was more talking to arkediaz
I am going to miss old Rogue though
also going to miss Nevix on dps
I feel like this will be Art1er all over again
I guess this answers the question as to why Kryw wasn't picked up by anyone
how will this affect other teams, i wonder. if these 3 teams start dominating, will we see others do the same?
i'm excited to see these new teams in action
Well back before the Open, Misfits, Rogue and Reunited were beating eachother all the time
and were beating all the lower tier EU teams
So thats probably what this will be like
Hey whats a good site to be able to stay updated on esports schedules for OW?
Thank you @balmy wolf . You are a model community member
No problem
I don't know how to feel about these changes right now, I'll miss the old rosters but I'm interested to see where this goes.
Oohhhh yeaaahhh
MGA starts tomorrow by the way
Oh shit
IEM and MLG Vegas are on at the same time
rip
yup next weekend should be fun
Here's the link to MGA if you want to put it in the channel desc https://www.twitch.tv/msigamingameu
then again, it will only be on for a day and no one even looks there
I'll do it just for you @balmy wolf โค
ree
there you go
Luv u ๐
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Taimou said that Mickie is on trial atm and that they'll keep him if he keeps doing this well. โค Apparently he's also a better Widowmaker than Taimou, somehow
inb4 they drop Taimou, get Iddqd and take Mickie on full time
You wish, lol
Haha
The thing is, I've heard that iddqd is super hard to work with, minstrel also described him as a "ticking time bomb". I mean, Taimou also seems obnoxious and tough to work with, but I mean, the entire roster has been playing with him for a long time and could deal with his antics and immaturity (Except Talespin, apparently)
I feel like there's more toxic DPS players than any other role
or is that just confirmation bias
are you basing this from your MM or pros?
from a pro perspective, mendo has mentioned tank players are usually super chill
few exceptions of course
..is that bad?
is nrg bad
uh
they're disliked for some reason mostly because of seagull's popularity apparently
how he's not the best genji around but hailed as one of the best
plus he doesn't even genji as much now
i dunno
NRG is ranked 18th in the world
they where 11th but they just seem to always decrease
also Arhan only playing genji is bad because this meta is so tank heavy
i personally like NRG a lot but their players just seem average besides seagull
and even this meta doesn't favorite seagull
no it doesn't
and yes seagull seems like that only guy that's pretty good
arhan can't play anything else other than genji?
i mean the ana boost and sword wumbo combo is fearsome
Globally?
Yea
Very hard to say
Right now EnvyUS is very strong, and the new Misfits lineup looks formidable as well
I saw misfits winning a lot
Lunatic Hai and KongDoo Uncia are two of the best Korean teams
I think
Rogue was one of the best last patch and with their previous roster
They should still be powerful with their new lineup, though
Ya they won the lunatic
Neymuhr sad that nrg was 18th
Neymuhr sad that nrg was 18th
I'd say that NRG has some great potential in their lineup
There's a global rank?
Thanks
No map drafting during MLG
Wtf
Illios 9 times
Hanamura and Anubis 5 times
Wtf? When will Blizzard realize that we hate 2 Cancer Point and that it's horribly designed and not competitively viable? There is a reason why those maps are always banned, but Blizzard seems to think that shoving em down our throat will make us like them
Oh wait, Hanamura is "only" there 3 times
The numbers in the article are off. But still, wtf? Illios 9 times? Why the fuck is Blizzard so stubborn?
See: Starcraft 2
^^^^^^
From what I gathered, this stubbornness and "I know better" attitude is what killed SC2's eSports scene.
@violet hearth The #1 in each region is probably Envy, Misfits and Lunatic Hai
MGA was supposed to start 49 mins ago, but they've been broadcasting commercials ever since and seem to have some difficulties, welp
they're having issues with the computers I think
MGA still delayed. FBM
nah
:<
but seriously, are the computers crap or did server stuff happen at MGE?
I've heard both
No idea
I havent been paying attention
I actually forgot it was supposed to start 2 hours ago
so probably would have missed a match or two
also you said mge again
Thats all I wanted ๐
MGA matches for today have been postponed until tomorrow.
lol
why is it not comp viable? just wondering because idk
Why is what not comp viable?
2 cap point maps
Ahh
they simplify "move your fucking defenses back"
I was very confused for a moment
how is that bad
but wai
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
It's mostly that I think they are too random. Ther either require you to snowball or have a perfectly executed clean wipe on the defense after they setup. It's also extremely unfun to watch because of all of the junkrushes you need to go through, and if you don't do a 100% perfect attack/the defense makes a big mistake (defense making a mistake becomes less likely the higher your level of play is), it turns into stupid dva/mei/tracer nonsense, which is also extremely unfun to watch
They also often result in a draw, which makes it feel like a waste of time
That said, two of my favourite pro games happened on 2CP
Rogue vs Reunited on Hanamura and EnvyUs vs Rogue on Anubis
Both involve Rogue, so it probably relates to them
Damn you must be real bored sojum
Whenever you are running away from school work, you end up doing magical things you which you never knew you were capable of :p
lol
Will we actually get MGA matches today? Let's hope so.
Had one game so far, more delays now :/
@limber pine could you ping again if something will happen today?
ping what?
us / announce
I totally forgot about the stream and just tuned in, did I miss a lot?
@cunning gate They haven't been able to get one game in I think. Lots of technical difficulties
none of yesterday's matches ran either.
They seem really prepared..
Is there anything good on while waiting?
I'm watching other OW streams meanwhile, like MOONMOON
Yea I suppose there's nothing else really
MSIGaming just came into Twitch and said they were having "Internet connection issues"
Hey guys
"I lost because my opponent was of superior skill to me." -Shit gamers never say.
why doesn't overwatch have LAN?
They do
MGA Championship has been postponed until further notice according to Fnatic
postponed again?
Omg, this is amazing
You can host games over LAN?
I'm not quite sure why would TOs host LAN w/out having the means to host their own lan game.
Nope, pretty sure that only the World Cup actually hosted their own games
Btw, MGL map pool got changed, still no map banning though
New map pool. With all this koth, you must be wondering if they want to give FaZe a free pass into the finals, lol
3 map types
AB point defense, king of the hill, and payload
they should just have one each
So did MGA actually happen?
Postponed until 2017 
Can I post links to small Tournaments here?
I currently am playing in a small university tournament in Germany
german language but anyway
@vapid fern Talk to a moderator or admin about it. They might end up posting it in #tournaments
@bitter grotto
Can I post links to small Tournaments here?
I currently am playing in a small university tournament in Germany
german language but anyway
If you want an announcement made, speak to an admin (in green)
I'm about to leave for a while sry
@limber pine
Can I post links to small Tournaments here?
I currently am playing in a small university tournament in Germany
german language but anyway
https://www.twitch.tv/esport_ubt
I mean you just did ๐
make her pistol hitscan 
delete her
they should really swap that mercy
it's triggering me
if they at least had a pharah
pharah feels like she's part of mercy's kit
pharah is too delicate on her own
I mean, if you're tviq you are a pharah who need no man mercy
The most respectable and mannered stream on twitch live
https://www.twitch.tv/lykingsprotv
And Blizzard wonders how they always kill their eSports scenes, lul
Oh, lul, Veineless posted the thread
i like that blizzard want to maximize the variety in maps played, but the solution is to make more good maps rather than force people to play the bad ones
like there's nothing i hate more about a game like CS:GO than the fact that every match is dust 2 forever
They should just keep it as a pick and ban system
fucking blizzard
but if you look at a game like SC2, it took blizzard a couple years before they had a really good map pool
the first few maps for SC2:WoL were just horrible
No one wants to watch or play your shitty gamemodes
really really bad
but then as the game evolved a bit the maps improved significantly
which is hopefully what we'll see happen with overwatch
All the maps are fine besides 2cp in my opinion
^
i'm not such a fan of koth either tbh, they always feel like a meatgrinder chaosfest
but payload and hybrid are great
what the maps really need are more routes imo
I love koth
they're far too linear
More like deathmatch than an objective gamemode
I love koth besides Ilios
i know obviously a payload map has to be linear in one way
I've come to hate that map
but when it's a matter of "are they coming left, or right?"
it makes strategy way less interesting
Hey folks, here are my 10 key takeaways from OGN's first season of APEX. As always feel welcome to give any feedback here/twatter/reddit or w/e :)
http://www.esportsheaven.com/articles/view/5906
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Hosting an overwatch tournament! 6v6, 16 Teams MAX. Will be streamed and casted. There is no entree fee! DM me if interested! All SR allowed. Although I do not reccomend signing up if you have not played comp before! Thank you!
there's 1v1 tracer tournament going on right now http://www.twitch.tv/ugaeng
@uneven compass hand me some more details (e.g. how to signup etc) and I put it in #tournaments
Sent you details:) @mighty crypt
tfw MGA was delayed till the end of December
Not the place for it
Sorry i thought
My bad
anyone else think its ironic that overwatch won esport of the year considering recent events
Please don't link other discord servers here @jolly fern
@wary jacinth
my b
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Where can I find out more about league/tournament for overwatch?
Like I always find out thru twitch when the tourney is at semi final/finals with 10k+ viewers
yo
how come yall dont just come to the competitive overwatch discord?
tons talking about this tourney
Your logic seems a bit flawed, Solaire
There's no one talking about the tourney here
So who exactly is that directed to
@forest raven good to know that all of us hate this meta
TwoEasy is very open about his hatred of Ana and the current meta too
Lol, Mendo's twitter is full of tank hate. I should go there more often. tbh Season 1 meta was best meta
https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/808175414774480896
"eSport of the year"
lol, "2CP is fine"
https://youtu.be/ZCKjthDPJP8?t=4m57s
tfw they lost
MLG would have been great if it had the pick and ban system DH used
but nooo
No, blizzard must showcase their shitty maps
iirc it's in their tournament rules now
you have to have a fixed map pool
gg blizz
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kms
their reasoning is probably something like
"there are lots of people who love those maps and want to see the pros play them"
because blizzard follow the apple mentality, which is that you tell your customers what they want rather than listen to them
will blizzard one day allow skins in tournaments they force to use their rules? the world may never know
too confusing for the average viewer is an xd worthy statement
Some of the legendaries may confuse people who don't play the game
But I don't see a reason not to allow lesser rarity skins
People who watch the tournaments will probably be people who play the game
Live in ~3 minutes: ๐บ๐ธ $100,000 Winter Premiere Open Qualifiers Day 3
Semifinals:
compLexity vs Liquid 
Immortals vs Luminosity ๐ช๐บ
https://www.twitch.tv/overwatch_nge
c9 won the bracket yesterday
tbh I got no clue
But c9 have automatically qualified to the group stage for winning their qualifier
Yeah
Kingdom and c9 are already in
There's 4 days, and the winner of each day automatically qualifies for the next round. After those 4, the next 4 best teams qualify based on points.
Aight
And then it's round robin between those 8
4 get eliminated
Then another round robin between the remaining 4
yah
top 8 got points for each day
so after each winner qualifies, the top 4 remaining teams with the most amount of points also qualifies
Right
And so far, because only 2 days have been completed, Kingdom and c9 are already in
and out of the last 2 matches today id say maybe IMT vs coL
lmao team liquid
3:35 left on Hollywood for coL 

I've seen a few pro games on Hollywood where both teams just absolutely roll on attack
And Liquid looks like they might have a dive comp
Told you
LIQUID JESUS
Both teams completely roll on attack

Especially with the Pharmercy dive comp
who's casting?
oh I meant the people
thx
I have to say they're a lot better than yesterday
Fucking Twitch chat
They keep calling iid iddqd
i have it closed, what happened?
There's a player on Liquid called iid
His name starts with "i" so Twitch chat assumes he must be iddqd
At this point it's a joke
ikr
rip liquid
iid on Junk ๐ค
Hollywood has always been one of coL's better maps
really?
Ye
also are maps still picked or is it blizz's dumb system
I can't say for the Winter Premiere
But coL picked Hollywood because there were coming from like a winner bracket or group or some shit
oh okay
ID is known for playing Junk on Hybrid
i just wanna see the new LG play
It will be interesting
Gods is on Kingdom?
Dude
Kingdom is fucking good now
I mean
they were good before
with all those randoms
but now they have Gods, Mangachu and Pookz?
jfc
gg
NOW
TO WATCH NEW
POWERHOUSE
LG
compLex OP
Too bad these casters suck
they sound so bored
they're not terrible
They're a lot better than yesterday
but no ZP
i mean put a little energy into the casting
I give them the benefit of the doubt
Put a little energy?
Dude the main caster's been shouting the majority of the time
Well, he might not be shouting but his voice gets pretty loud and he starts commentating real quick
team of yungins
The dude's getting hype
When he really wasn't yesterday
And the other caster is just soft spoken
they also mix up teams a lot
There's been so many roster changes recently
like yesterday they called the wrong team winning
Thing is though
they also dont know how the timebank system works
Well I believe we've seen all the same casters
Very small, community ones
really the only other truly terrible casting i can think of is carbon masters
Ah right
Well I've only seen casters that cast the top like 10-15 teams in the regions
I dont watch tiny ones
Polo who's the best caster you've heard?
ZP's fuckin awesome
They have basically everyone besides Hex, no?
No hex or uber
I wanted mah boi Uber
Who is seltzer
Huk is just ugh
Who is Rachel
ic
Has she casted before?
Why do you hate her
She's just annoying
I just didnt like hearing her talk when they were at the analyst desk
Is soe better than her?
I think its because they're both overly positive
Soe's fuckin awesome
for me its really not the personalities, but how much they know about the game
LG just got Superplouk before they picked up Hidan and Kryw
Theres been so many roster changes recently
i wanna believe in this team
Well from what I saw at Dreamhack Soe's a great host because she asks open ended questions which allows the analysts to delve into different aspects of the match
Which is a host's job
I do like new LG a lot
But I'm rooting for IMT
Soe is a lot better than Rachel
Rachel is just going to be terrible as a caster though
So they were always EU based
I thought they were an NA team because Seagull
ic
And was NA up until they booted mixup
and signed 2stronk
Agilities is doing well
But I still wanna see grim tracer :<
Kryw solo ulting verbo
lolwot
Grim on 76 
I thought they had it with that Graviton
But then he used it on 1 person

I hate this meta
I wanna see Grim on McCree
:[
Same
McCree was just more interesting to watch imo
I prefer watching pro McCrees 9/10 times
the 1 time being HarryHook
Because
godlike tracking
Ohh yes
Grim tracer

My
goodness
2-2-2
what is this
July?
I mean
September
I mean they lost to c9 with Mendo on Zarya and Surefour on Roaddog 
aw they did?
Like on the Discord?
Yeah
Nope
:c
Then c9 won pretty decisively on the next 2
they've never been the same since they lost iddqd
It was for the best though
Iddqd would not do well in this meta
welp looks like immortals got this
Then nearly beat Misfits
I just really liked Buds and Iddqd dps combo
They're better now though
Easily top 5 NA
Did iddqd leave or was he kicked from the active roster
He just stepped down
ic
Good question
Luminosity's holding
It's Tracer dude
agiltiies holy fuck
They have rein ult
pulse bomb
pls
DO IT
IMT
DO ITT
THEY WIFFED IT
THEY WIFFED BOTH
GO LG
NOOOOO
FUCKING FUCK
hooks saved the round

