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FaZe was winning that last push with more in the timebank tho
Something I don't understand is people actually thinking it's coL purposefully doing this
@balmy wolf coL beat FaZe on Eich, 2-0. Lower Bracket Final is c9 vs. coL
Winner of that goes on to play Immortals in the grand final
i think it finished
nah grand final's on rn
โค
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Polo โค
anyone listen to fvdp?
ffdp*
rip that ult
im liking ryb this tourney
dudes a aller rein
who's the other guy casting with ZP?
@limber pine Hexagrams
thanks
Agilities and Grim just kill c9 so often
It's like tracer is their kryptonite
So is this like normal imt or have they improved from their last showing
i agree that they fucked up for giving up the point
I remember IMT being a pretty above average team
But they're looking pretty hot right now
and in the rest of the melee
So why is c9 going to Vegas and not imt ๐ค
i also think c9 looking better with their new team
ryb is a baller
Because they qualified Draw
i am not sure about mondo
Ic
And imt didn't?
Kyky has always been on C9 by the way
to watch
If you didnt know
lol real?
Yeah dude
Roolf, Ryb and Mendo are the newcomers
god tier at every character?
No lol
Just have a very deep pool of heroes that he can play really really well
He's already there tbh
I just want a team I'm rooting for to win
but that struggle to get up the wall that last game xD
i bought some perrier green apple water
shits weird
If NV loses APEX I'm just gonna ๐ถ
Mendo has been playing a sick Roadhog this Melee
I'm guessing you havent been watching all the matches?
Yeah, he's been playing a great Roadhog
For someone who plays DPS heroes almost all the time on stream
i dont think roadhog is the most technical character tbh
Neither do I
Its still pretty amazing to see him pick up a hero he has barely any hours in and play this good
lol
"BUT WHY"
things i learned from this tourney
i should play more mei
RYB
HOLY SHIT
.
0.00m lol
I feel like c9 needs a coach
When I say feel like I mean they definitely need a coach
are they allowed to have a coach in lan tournaments talking to the players?
like in cs go
I think so
They lose it at the last second every fuckin time
reminds me of immortals on league
team of young new pros who are amazing mechanically but get cocky and cant close out games
They're winning though..?
He's talking a about c9
honestly i feel like both teams are kinda showing this
Oh
i feel like at the end theyre doing silly stuff they shouldnt be doing
Confused me because he used League's IMT team as an example
like when they were on lijiang at the space hub thing
Also said "young new pros"
they just kinda backed out after holding point and lost it
im not sure how long immortals has been together
but both teams kinda feel like they need some structure to make them consistent
and not make any mistakes
surefour coulda gotten 2 kills
with that ult
i thinwhens next major tuorney?
They just can't defend
At all
these guys both seem like they will be dominant with a little spit and polish and experience
like
Apex still hasnt ended
Final in about two hours
o tjoml nptj tea,s jave [pmtemtoa; pf ;pplomg a ;pt netter
wow
this is what happens when i type with all my hands shifted
I think both teams if they just stick together and play together long enough wont look as sloppy
where from beginning to end there is no slip ups
I suppose the next major tourney is MLG Vegas right?
Ye
how long til that?
I don't think I'd count MGA as a major tourney
how long til mlg vegas?
Oh no wait
It is a major
So yeah next major is MGA
on the 7th
MLG Vegas is on the 16th
we will see a major difference
from right now c9 and imt
i think they will both clean up their issues by then and will be scary af
Imt isn't gonna be at Vegas
well then c9 ;D
IMT are already a lot better than they were before
holy fuck surefour
Like back in the OW Open, the NA qualifiers for DH
unfortunately
since legion came out
and a bit before that
i havent been paying attention to ow
im just now getting back into it
but a lot of times in other esports games
when you get a ton of good players together they usually look great in games but have trouble finishing a game out
you really see a transformation once they get to the point where they know their place and trust each other
who do you guys think is more dominant na or eu?
Out of who?
I'd like to say NA
But probably EU
yea
Yeah definitely EU
100%
I mean you can see it really
The top teams in EU are better than the top teams in NA
Except Envy
which arent a NA team at all
except Org wise
And then the team dominating the NA scene is actually a EU team
They're based in NA, they're owned by NA, they pay NA taxes
highest level dude
1800 lvl
euro player
plays 17 hours a day
right but before they moved to na
or w/e
thjey were probly living in eu
Yeah I'm not saying they're not an NA team
practicing 24/7
I know all that shit
I'm just saying that the Top Team in North America is a team filled with EU players
and that team is completely dominating North America
You're not wrong
im just saying i think eu ow players get to play more every day ๐
I think they just take it more seriously
NA takes it the least serious
and APAC takes it the most serious
then EU in the middle
idk
in league
na teams
get shit on by everything
but they take that shit insanely serious
Nah, OCE takes the cake for not giving a shit
Brazil is not in OCE
OCE is Oceania
OCE doesn't have a scene though
We do have a scene
The only tie OCE has in the OW pro scene is Custa
It's just not

Existant?
Untitled spreadsheet OP
yeah
russia took world first kill on the last boss of the first raid of legion
too bad when second raid came out they lost the race hard and talked mad salty shit entire time
that
was a god hook
got the mcree out of ult
too bad team didnt follow up
ryb might be my new fave player
They pushed too far, got staggered and gave up more ground than they should have
i love the theme of echeinwalde
but god do i hate the map as far as playing competitively
Imt nearly rolled completely through point 3
On eich
They finally did something
But on eich point 3 they nearly rolled completely to the end
Also point 1 was atrocious
C9 can't play against a roadhog apparently
Mendo man
What are you doing
They can't play against roadhog
running at the rein not a great idea kyky
Once again agilities just does whatever he wants
hoory faq
That was shit
June?
and you dont know that when i say "quel surprise" im being sarcastic?
smh
and here i thought we were pals
Anywho
My bois
IMT
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Don't wank them too much would you
Africa doesn't look as strong" -Slasher
So anyway heres wonderwall
I said maybeeeeeeee
MonDoa final form is ready
This is so great
TFW i wont ever be as good as these koreans
I want to hug mickie anybody else?
why does everyone like him so much
OGN production quality shittin on westerners so far
^^
This production value is fucking amazing
@opaque owl Not only is he an extremely skilled D.va player, he's also very optimistic
koreans got that innate esport dedication
He's a goddamn happy man
so even production value is top notch
tfw i didnt know he was from Thailand before now
kek
Mickie will be playing with NV at MLG tho. I 'm so hyped
He's a robot right
Chips HAHjen
lul
is ogn lagging for someone else?
Nope
Fook yeah nepal
Jesus fuck
I fully expect NV to lose on Nepal
The production
that stage is sick
korean production aways top notch
yeah it's good
eh it's their best chance for a win on single CP map imo ๐
@forest raven i mean ok. but still don't get why he's liked THAT much
I think they can take shrine and village ^^
Because he appeared out of nowhere
NV lost Talespin and everyone was like "whelp, RIP NV"
Then Mickie happened
@opaque owl i just like him cos is the only cute korean in the team and well... i love cutes korean
3-3
wut
only asian in the team*
:(
RIP first push
why is there a black border around the screen :<
Good question ๐ค
3 supp wtf, not a good time to experiment
Their production value is so high they're couldn't afford 1920x1080
Had to settle on 1280x720
XDD
@toxic yacht You watching this?
MICKIE BOI
Oh hey
BOOSTIO
He replaced Kyb and Haksal with Shadder
It's grand final right ?
bo7 ?
so monte said AF must win this map
that was pretty close
1 CP played and my predictions are already down the drain, as nV won Sanctum - the only Nepal stage I predicted them to lose for sure. ๐ ๐
harry's tracking is mesmerizing
^^
chisp god ana
damn
OH MAN
NV took CONTROL
im falling for mickie
THEIR WORST MODE
also did you see that one korean yelling in the mic haha
Arhan
wish my teammates can yell in the mic with passion like that
He didnt sound pleased when he was killed by mickie
it's only 2 points for koth?
Ye
I wanna root for Envy
but
I also want to root for AF
because draw wants Envy to win

Leaning towards Envy though
i mean af blue didn't run dva or soldier
wtf is that music
MACCREE
@balmy wolf im going somewhere rn, so I'll watch it when I'm at home again
this was a meme video

cant believe they made a live performance out of this
Am watching it on my phone sporadically tho
BANG BANG BANG
@toxic yacht You need to watch this
BANG BANG BANG
holy sghit
๐ KR production
thats an actual lyric
ahaha
Clips are only 30s
fuck you go afk for 3 minutes and this happens
itll be on youtube
what happened on Nepal
NV 2 - 0
Yep lol
damn dude
The production value here
is through the fucking roof
Those chairs though
They're like
ikr
flimsy plastic chairs
Those are lawn chairs
south korean engineered lawn chairs
we're 7 months into this game and we already have tournements like this
cmon OGN
if Afreeca don't win Hollywood I think this will be the series for nV
what is this
it appears they are playing jenga
I mean, a lot of people seem to agree that nv is the strongest team this meta
I'm 100% that they'll win
Tbh I just want them to finally win a lan
This is why Talespin left
-Mickie
Mickie throw
who won 1st game?
Nv
i see
EnVy
Did someone catch a screenshot of the map pool ?
What is that hand gesture?
#keepmickie
#payme? @balmy wolf
money
At least until patch changes @toxic yacht
looks like the johnny manziel money gesture too
thanks
mickie can play a mean zarya, so even if the meta changes, he has things he can fall back to
He's favourite character is Widowmaker
but cocco's the zarya player
The man enjoys dps
He isn't a tank main
Zarya has also kinda fallen out. Hopefully she'll be back next time
I don't think it's 4-0
i mean you can still play her, but the recent patch shows who's good at zarya and who's bad
Afreeca take Temple of Anubis for sure
Talespin was the problem
INTERNETHULK
internethulk with the symmetra pick omg
wth symetra
YOU MADMAN
all it showed is who can't play something else than zarya ๐
internethulk madman
Hulk on sym again?
Long time no internetsymmetra
why they only allow default skin
"WHOA HE LOST A TURRET"
He made it sound like such a big deal lol
from spectator and player pov
Thank mr CarryHook
CA-RY-HOOK
so far it's working
Tbh Harry's default aim looks like tac visor
They're holding with Symm 
Dunno why he needs it
... im starting to think af blue just fluked into the finals
Af was one of the best korean teams last meta
HULK LOL
well they beat BK convincingly, definitely not flunk. They did have consderably easier bracket though ๐
and to be fair BK kinda tilted
Jin doing work
I'm 100% certain that rogue would have taken the whole hing a ptach back
100% is a bit too much considering they are 1-2 in series vs Lunatic-Hai ๐
They delayed a lot there
Those are Symmetra tactics for you
There's the Arhan we all know and love
There is a reason why he's in my nickname, lul
how does mickie always manage to find a lucio lol
Great comeback from NV
i really want to see the stat for how many lucios vs other heroes mickie has killed with self destruct
Luuuuul
RUN HARRY
HARRY
that harry hook jukes
Run harry run!
THE JUKEMASTER
That was like my worst Dragonblade ever
JESUS
He looked like my Genji on a bad day,lol
taimou
Omg, taimou
THE NINJAHOG
timo
THIGHMOU
roadhog isn't op, af blue refuses to play any counters
#Godmou
#taimouforpresident
ye it's been working really well for them @balmy wolf
Harry is a really good reaper, no worries
roadhog is good vs tanks and mei
i spoke too soon, now af blue is running counters to roadhog
wow
He traumatizes me in matchmaking because of his flaming
This was honestly pathetic
arhan...
arhan stick to genji
Wtf af
Lul harryhook
Yup
Yep
they changed it?
But dva was pretty bad at launvh
aa the old days of running away from your own bomb
i actually remember getting the dva cute achievement back when the bomb could kill you and had the 4 sec timer
A lot of people got it back then
I got it on PTR when her bomb was changed from 4s to 3s
people didnt know maps or how to hide from dva back then
lel
Thats because we were all noob and couldn't run away
4-1 gg that's it
2-0 SO FAR
harry tracking tho
tbh i expect 4-0
Now
I don't understand why Harry has tac visor tbh
Another live performance?
Akm too
@balmy wolf no way nV win temple of anubis ๐
Those guys have ridiculous tracking
No one thought they would win Nepal either @pseudo sail
I said they can win it ๐
tacvisor vs genji or tracer
after seeing arhan chase harry with dragonblade, lol, no chance
Sprint is faster than Genji
Chasing him was pointless
^^
Unless they are getting tilted Afreeca takes Anubis ๐
tell arhan that lol
I'd expect arhan to know
he didn't get the memo
OH FUCK
LOOOOOOOL
Topkek
FOUR-ZERO INC
Rip afreeca
3-0 hltv confirm
7-0
chance pick
wtf with this seating position
So all the heroes DoA and Monte said AF historically ran have yet to be ran
This is a mistake by Afreeca imo. nV haven't shown Volskaya but in theory they have great team for it #OGN
Besides Genji
it's awkward as fuck
what was the other option?
Maybe they have secret stratrs, lul
didnt see
Anubis
hulk without glasses lookss tired as fk
@forest raven the one that does switching is mainly recry but they've been putting him on the mei lately for some reason, even tho arhan is better mei and I think recry is more impactful DPS
SK vs ANZ repeat* @toxic yacht
KOBE
Chips lol
they should put jin on the roadhog arhan on mei imo :/
in map like this,is it more advantageous to defend first?
Im leaving now :( cya after nvs win when I'm back home
Finally have a Winston
hulk misses winston
See ya @toxic yacht
Taimou go go go
Finally take point A
I feel like arhan could've saved ult for point b
Damn recry
lol
good call putting recry on mccree
hulkkk
@pseudo sail You got your wish
CHIPS
jesus hook
Whoo
He may be CarryHook
internethulk is good at lucio too
But it's a team effort
@balmy wolf hm?
Were you watching?
ye which wish did I get ๐
you made more than one?
I make wishes all the time ๐
you only made one that i can see
MICKIE LOL
mickie lol
did hulk get a 3k
I don't know why ppl are su surprised when yesman or dayfly dies ๐
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chips and hulk show up with their own plays, but i never see dayfly or yesman do anything
and that's prolly why envy is gonna win, they just have strong individual players and strong teamwork
mickie eat the graviton?
lolwat
casters dont acknowledge that dva ate the zarya ult
casters dont comment on anything lol
what the fuck
@clear pollen they are the worst support duo in the playoffs (dayfly and yesman) ; as I mentioned in my preview :p
RIP
this is like the 5th time
including reflected gravitons
remember when chips got a 4k on nepal, casters didn't say much
literally all they ever yell about is taimou getting a easy hook
yet again
RIP
BDPs
lel
requiescat in pace
REQUIESCAT IN PACE

welp these finals are prolly over soon
easiest final of envy's life
Putting self destruct on point is a bigger deal than eating a graviton
10/10
4-0 inc
mickie is so good on dva
kregasm
well the would have capped the point if he hadnt eatent he grav
nV be like: hey guys we have a flight after this, can you let us win quickly & Blue answered: yeah np guys!
who knows, envy could lose to NA/EU teams
won in a tournament
Vegas is only NA teams
tho they did beat rogue
that went through a patch
I think Rogue can still beat nV with a bit of practice on the new patch
now that teams are more experienced with the patch, it's hard to tell
@pseudo sail have you read reinforce tweets?
what?
no, what did he say?
koreans seem to have no adjusted as well compared to NA/EU teams
Koreans need to shuffle up
@pseudo sail although they may be able to play accordingly now but heres some of his thoughts he shared
maybe if akm could learn soldier, put tviq on roadhog, let winz practice with dva
I read that, I still think they can beat nV with practice
all rogue needs is to adapt to this new patch
Afreeca Freelo
I'm still not sure what the Volskaya gamble was about
surely they didn't hope to win just because nV haven't played it in officials w/ the new roster
They would have won if not for that
they were looking solid for sure
well this is part of how some esports work; they know that.
i dont think blizzard cares enough to hold off on patches for a tournament
even starcraft
I'd say Envy will take MLG Vegas pretty easily
which is made by blizz
blizzard will probably care more once their league starts up
that is true
which is in late 2017 i hear
@drowsy wraith ..? LoL, DotA, HS all get patches all the time that force the meta, rather than let players create their own. Even CSGO patches changes things that affect it relatively often. Other ones change maps, BW is prime example for how map can affect who wins and who doesn't.
mid-tournament change is weird but you can't expect blizzard to adjust to third parties
I think only Fnatic can come close to beating Envy
@pseudo sail They have roster lock, and patch does not come just before TI for example
they got roster lock because dota's player movement is crazy
welp im officially confused
@pseudo sail They are not just third party
why am i hearing chicken sounds
Chicken maru
RIP subtitles
chicken feet sumo
@pseudo sail Its Korea we are talking about and their ties with blizz is strong
he's like 3 times his weight
its obvious who would win these matches
The people who would obviously win seem to be losing though
@drowsy wraith you are forgetting how blizzard butfucked BroodWar & Korea and then in turn SC2 got fucked. You're putting too much into that.
the only upset we'll see tonight lol
well,just like in regular sumo
Why is the Korean team more overweight than the NA team
@pseudo sail "how blizzard butfucked BroodWar & Korea and then in turn SC2 got fucked" care to elaborate that?
weight difference doesnt guarantee victory
Too bad EU can't keep their players in EU 
@drowsy wraith they shut down broodwar on purpose when they released SC2; then Korea didn't go big on SC2, neither fans nor producers
afb lookin tilted
@jagged crater I'd look tilted AF too if I gamble on Volskaya and it doesn't pan out ๐
.>
gibraltar
@pseudo sail ......??? People still play BW and Korea went Big on sc2.
sauce plz
They'll get further than I thought then
harb's map aka taimou's map
What are the groups for Vegas
harbleu "oops"
Group A:
Fnatic
Envy
Rise
coL
Group B:
C9
FaZe
Liquid
NRG
Thanks
Rip Rise tbh
kek
@drowsy wraith blizzard shut down the tournaments; they have broadcasting rights of their ip, remember? and SC2 was never big in KR, I'd suggest you to read on the topic if you think it was. Just because they used to win a lot it doesn't mean it was anything close to BW ๐
I just dont see coL or Rise beating Fnatic and Envy
all the afblue players are pretty chubby
It's all the chicken
i didn't expect immortals to beat c9 today, but they did
does envy have a coach?
#justroadhogthings
roadhog's map
they have afreeca's coach picking maps in their favour @jagged crater ๐
@drowsy wraith Blizzard shutting down the BW didnt exactly discourage anything. And what game other than sc2 dominated Koreas esport scene during 2010-2012
l o l
yeh
hulk back on his home hero
Ye boi
IH ON WINSTON
wat

i just realized envy only play 1 support
Who needs more than 1 healer when you have a Chips tbh
No they dont
yes lets play genji and mccree against 4 tanks
this is looking like gg
Yeah lol
single healer
KR in 2016 
surprise bastion
here we go
Bastion ๐ค
single ana healer
dude
this is slaughter
this isjust
well...
like
welp
welp
4-0

@balmy wolf Cocco and Mickie are wokring so well tg though
its over
envy used this comp before on first point defense gibraltar
yeah...
think ive seen other teams use it too

Easiest 90k Envy ever made
^^
like taking 90k from a baby
meh
How much does AF Blue get?
imagine
$60k?
rogue definitely got cocky
Man
NINJAHOG
dam taimou hook
36k @forest raven
fastest grand finals goddamn
the Worldcup was obviously stacked af
ic @balmy wolf
well...
gg ez
gg