Because he's a criminal
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
spare shadow
what DID HE DO
limpid agate
Robbery mostly
spare shadow
oh ok
peak escarp
he was one of the founding members of the Deadlock Rebels, and was part of various raids on weapons and technology trade in the American southwest
spare shadow
what does Bob stand for
limpid agate
Big
Omnic
Butler
peak escarp
they think he's bland
limpid agate
He's a deserter
desert yacht
they’re entitled to their own opinions
spare shadow
oh ok
peak escarp
because he's a likeable funny guy and there's a lot of likeable funny guys in fiction lately, so people are tired of that I guess?
peak escarp
she was a surgeon and the head of medical research for Overwatch
limpid agate
Have you watched the shorts?
spare shadow
I think I watched the one about Mei and got that out of jt
limpid agate
Then you know the answer already
spare shadow
ok
also what's her interaction with another character that makes her cry I think it was moira
but I makes me laugh
peak escarp
Mei: Well... yes... I'm sure... m-maybe... *soft crying*```oh I thought it was because she didn't include mei
also how did reaper become
reaper
peak escarp
that's a complicated answer
spare shadow
ok
peak escarp
Moira is not a nice person
spare shadow
but
desert yacht
she’s not exactly an asshole either
peak escarp
she's just insensitive
desert yacht
very rationally minded
peak escarp
she doesn't care about sparing people's feelings, she cares about facts and science
spare shadow
interesting
clear nest
does Widow still care about Gerard? Asking this because of her visiting his grave lol
peak escarp
probably
spare shadow
who's gerard
peak escarp
Widowmaker: You don't know anything about him.```chateau guillard i think
peak escarp
Gerard Lacroix was an Overwatch agent who was head of anti-Talon operations
spare shadow
yeah thag
peak escarp
Widowmaker was his wife, Amelie Lacroix (neé Guillard)
Chateau Guillard is her family's ancestral manor
spare shadow
I thought I saw a picture of a man and woman and I was wondering if it was them 2
oh ok
peak escarp
spare shadow
that one
peak escarp
this is the only image we have of her before she became Widowmaker
peak escarp
because Talon slowed her heart
spare shadow
dang
but why did they slow her heart
that had nothing to do with the fact that she's actually heartless
peak escarp
to make her a better sniper
peak escarp
because it's a useful tech
peak escarp
his visor is still canon
peak escarp
because the locations are canon
peak escarp
it's where Soldier and Ana were hiding out during Bastet
spare shadow
what's bastet
peak escarp
it's a short story
feral musk
The skin is canon right?
spare shadow
which one
feral musk
Bastet
spare shadow
uhh which one is that
feral musk
The limited time event Ana skin
spare shadow
the one with the cat face?
feral musk
Yes
spare shadow
oh yeah ok idk
peak escarp
feral musk
Bastet is a Egyptian Goddess of Cats
peak escarp
she wears that outfit in the short story
spare shadow
ok
peak escarp
spare shadow
is the location ahtthuhaya or whatever canon
peak escarp
yes
feral musk
Isn't every map canon?
peak escarp
all the maps are canon locations
feral musk
Even Blizzard World
spare shadow
even the black forest?
peak escarp
Ayutthaya is in Thailand
peak escarp
it's a temple that's part of an archaeological dig
spare shadow
in lore this is the lore channel
spare shadow
ok
peak escarp
it doesn't have any other signifigance
spare shadow
I guess kanezaka just exists too
peak escarp
Kanezaka is a town near Shimada castle that is home to people who used to be faithful to the Shimada clan, but are now working for the Hashimoto clan who have taken over the castle
peak escarp
Castillo is where Sombra lives
spare shadow
I thought it was dorado
peak escarp
Castillo is near Dorado
spare shadow
then what's dorado
spare shadow
ok
desert yacht
the only ties I can remember about the Black Forest are its proximity to eichenwalde and something poking fun at Junkenstein’s revenge, I think it was a mercy voiceline about witches
lyric sluice
does the skins that portray ana as younger have the same voice actor?
iron plume
yes
lyric sluice
so ana still sounds old with the captain amari skins and the sniper ones?
iron plume
yes
ornate gust
humorous
iron plume
It is a bit
same deal with Reaper and Soldier’s voices
Reaper has the Reyes voice in retribution but not while he’s wearing that skin otherwise
peak escarp
it's to maintain consistency
ornate gust
yeah
feral musk
I think it's lazy tbh
Some skins should change voices
Literally Paladins does
It ruins the experience when you're young Ana but still sound the same
peak escarp
then go play Paladins
there's a reason they don't use younger voices
the devs tried using younger voices during development but found it made identifying the hero more difficult
desert edge
Maybe, but I don't see that as an issue entirely
cosmic crest
It is, identifying heroes is crucially important.
And personally, I think having a different voice actor would be more jarring than them just having the same voice.
obsidian anchor
i need opinions on my lore theory, so basically i think bastion was made by torb.
i think this because hes a robot and torb is an engineer
peak escarp
Before the Omnic Crisis, Torbjörn had gained notoriety for designing weapons systems used by countries around the world. However, his belief that technology must serve a better vision for humanity put him at odds with his employers, who desired to control his weapons using networked computer intelligence.
peak escarp
he literally did design the Bastion model
it's not a theory - they straight up say it
iron plume
And personally, I think having a different voice actor would be more jarring tha...
well in case of Reyes at least it's not a different VA
just him not doing a gravely voice and without processing
peak escarp
broke: Torbjorn made Bastion because Torbjorn is an engineer and Bastion is a robot
woke: Torbjorn made Bastion because they told us Torbjorn made Bastion
iron plume
Though Ana would definitely be a problem
bespoke: Torbjorn made bastion because look at that hat
peak escarp
younger voices tend to just be lighter/higher, so the same VAs could do younger voices
probably
also, we do get "younger" Morrison and Ana voices during Archives
they don't sound that much different
wet portal
Why do Ana shots hurt enemies
peak escarp
because they're different darts than the ones she shoots at allies
cosmic crest
In universe anyway.
She switches between different types of ammunition.
She doesn't have to in the game because that would be tedious.
peak escarp
right
austere steeple
is winston being able to talk supposed to be his brain enhancement or did they do something to his vocal cords?
cause the latter is the real main issue for gorillas talking
limpid agate
They never explained, but they probably never will
They just did experiments and he is capable of human speech.
distant field
Yeah as i was saying
worthy rose
Hi who is the strongest hero lore wise
My random guesses are Genji, Doomfist and Winston
distant field
Theres a chance he might be the strongest in lore
distant field
Hi who is the strongest hero lore wise
My random guesses are Genji, Doomfist and...
Reaper as well
distant field
Genji might be excluded though simply because he got clapped by doom in the animation
distant field
Cause of regen?
Regen yeah
distant field
Maybe yeah
But winston is also a force to be reckoned with
And i feel like reinhardt might be able to fight doom
Iirc winston beat doom when he used primal
But that was after doomfist beat tracer and genji so you could make an argument for stamina
pliant sparrow
Doom didn't appear particularly tired
And winston had taken a hit from him as well
pliant sparrow
Sigma is in the discussion
distant field
Oh really?
pliant sparrow
He is meant to be a living weapon
I don't think we have full knowledge of the extent of his abilities
distant field
Yeah
I mean if he could control earth’s entire field of gravity
He could essentially wipe all life and himself and the planet innit?
pliant sparrow
Possibly, but I think it's pretty toned down from that
distant field
Mhmm
Cant have a guy who’s capable of destroying the literal earth walking around can you?
pliant sparrow
Yeah
peak escarp
strongest are Sigma or Symmetra or Reaper
or Winston or Zarya, depending on how you define strongest
worthy rose
Hi who is the strongest hero lore wise
My random guesses are Genji, Doomfist and...
Roadhog has to be really strong
limpid agate
Hi who is the strongest hero lore wise
My random guesses are Genji, Doomfist and...
Genji isn't in contention.
Neither is Doomfist
Winston - Physically the strongest
Orisa - Physically the most durable, but inexperienced
Reaper - Closest to unkillable, but a jobber
Sigma - Theoretically the most powerful, needs more info
Symmetra - Huge wildcard, the most potential overall
No one else is worth consideration.
worthy rose
Wow genji is sussy baka
I'd say Reaper,Winston,or Symmetra
I wouldn't put Sigma as contender yet
Though once we get more info he could surpass Reaper
peak escarp
based on what we've seen (not counting potential power), Winston and Reaper are the top
worthy rose
Reaper vs Winston is interesting.I think if Reaper beats Winston before he turns primal he wins but if Winston becomes primal its a stalemate
So yeah overall I'd say Reaper is the strongest
peak escarp
if Winston goes primal Winston wins
we've seen it twice
three times if you count the Doomfist fight
but what do you expect from Main Character powers
worthy rose
Idk Reaper can just teleport anytime he gets close
But then again I dont think Reaper can hurt him
peak escarp
Reaper can't fight when he's in wraith form
Winston can force Reaper to retreat
which I'd count as a victory
worthy rose
Yes but he can still teleport to a safe distance and shoot from there
Although wasn't Reaper firing his shotguns while flying in the masquerade comic?
worthy rose
In recall Winston only won by tricking him and in the museum Reaper retreated because Widowmaker messed up
peak escarp
how did Winston trick him?
worthy rose
Reaper saw the broken shield generator and thought it was useless until it exploded
worthy rose
But for Winston to pull of the same trick in a rematch Reaper would have to be an idiot so I doubt its gonna work a second time
peak escarp
no, Winston would just outsmart him some other way
or overpower him
or win in some other way
worthy rose
I mean Winston can overpower him but I dont think Reaper is gonna fight up close
peak escarp
Reaper's guns are close-range weapons
he needs to fight up close to be effective
that's why he shoots Soldier in the back
if he was that smart, he'd avoid fighting Winston altogether
worthy rose
Yes but he can still shoot from a decent distance where Winston can't reach him with his fists
In recall and the museum Reaper was shooting at him away from Winston's punching range
peak escarp
and he still lost
young knoll
Winston can still jump him, and he also still has the Tesla gun as well, which in lore seems pretty lethal. Winston has plenty of options
worthy rose
He could jump him but again Reaper would just teleport to avoid it
And Reaper could avoid the tesla canon seeing as he evaded Ana's aim he can do the same here
midnight sky
Winston - Physically the strongest
Orisa - Physically the most durable, but inex...
Yes Sigma lore
With enough material on this guy you could make yourself a horror game
craggy goblet
sigma is technically the most broken ass character
limpid agate
sigma is technically the most broken ass character
No, he isn't technically the most broken ass character
He is theoretically the most powerful, and easily a contender in debate
But not technically because we dont have the technicals
limpid agate
Gravity control can be anywhere from Pucci to Kokonoe
Which is universe bending to mild
limpid agate
We dont know his abilities
craggy goblet
ingame abilities
limpid agate
We've never seen what he can do
Gameplay != Lore
And if you go by gameplay, he's extremely underpowered
craggy goblet
which should be an indicator of at least the basis of what he can do
limpid agate
If you go by gameplay, his gravity manipulation is on par with Kokonoe's.
If not actually weaker than hers
limpid agate
So your argument is a gameplay mechanic that can't stop a punch?
You cant use gameplay as a source.
And even if you could
You are using it wrong.
craggy goblet
and can stop almost every other projectile ability
toxic sinew
it can stop a black hole
young knoll
Pucci controlled gravity? I thought he had infinite speed
craggy goblet
exactly
craggy goblet
Pucci controlled gravity? I thought he had infinite speed
time
young knoll
Maybe I should read the manga
limpid agate
I'm talking about C Moon
craggy goblet
^^
young knoll
Oh I forgot about that
craggy goblet
second stage to made in heaven
young knoll
This is what I get for only seeing bits and pieces of jojo
limpid agate
If you want to use gameplay as a source
young knoll
The fandom still annoys me tbh
limpid agate
Echo is the most powerful character bar none
craggy goblet
If you want to use gameplay as a source
i mean im using it for sigma because that's our only source
lol
limpid agate
Because I'm game she can straight copy other technologies on command
craggy goblet
for the rest of the characters we at least have some lore
limpid agate
She can't literally do that
And not just technologies but also latent power
Echo, if gameplay were lore, would be the most powerful existence in Overwatch
But gameplay isn't lore
limpid agate
Not an excuse
Especially not when you push it as fact or technical
Because it's far from that
Its barely speculation
limpid agate
Correct. His lack of lore is not an excuse to take objectively non-canon gameplay as canon.
limpid agate
That's called an excuse
young knoll
If you are using the game as reference why not echo instead of sigma
peak escarp
it can stop a black hole
it can't stop a black hole
limpid agate
Again, if you use gameplay as a source
Echo is the most powerful existence
Its not a contest
craggy goblet
if you want to encourage discussion i feel like being this condescending wouldn't help
young knoll
Why not echo?
craggy goblet
echo arguably has more lore than sigma
limpid agate
The absence of disproof is not proof. That's a major fallacy
craggy goblet
but she could be more powerful if we're using gameplay yes
craggy goblet
anyways
limpid agate
In the lore, a technique we have never seen, Echo is only capable of replicating actions and techniques
Not powers
Not technologies
She can copy an ace pilot's flight technique
She can't copy that same pilot's chronal manipulation
As far as we have been told at least in her bio
young knoll
I really doubt she would be able to copy a lot of the weirder shit in ow, a lot of them are like, freak accident Marvel super hero type shit
craggy goblet
i mean at most she would copy their likeness
young knoll
If she could you bet your ass dozens of people would be gunning for her
craggy goblet
rein is honestly pretty weak in the grand scheme of things
peak escarp
Rein is just a human in a suit of power armor
young knoll
I mean, yeah, he's basically just a huge old dude
Winston should be able to rip him in half in a fight
even with the fact that Winston is apparently overweight
craggy goblet
winston can rip half the cast in half
young knoll
true
craggy goblet
primal is insane
peak escarp
even a non augmented gorilla could kill most of the cast
craggy goblet
lol
young knoll
well, if they were in a fist fight or something
most of the cast would likely shoot the gorilla first
unless it is a Shimada clan gorilla
young knoll
nah, hanzo is the better swordsman
craggy goblet
just that genji got the drop on him
craggy goblet
nah, hanzo is the better swordsman
hanzo out here playing with handicap level 9
young knoll
or he was before genji got the augmentations
I wonder if genji: cyborg version is better now than hanzo
peak escarp
when they fought in Dragons Genji seemed to be holding back against Hanzo until just before Hanzo used his dragons on him
then Genji seemed to easily overpower him
young knoll
yeah, but hanzo was using his bow, I wonder if hanzo still compares to genji as a swordsman
peak escarp
probably not, if he hasn't used a sword since then
craggy goblet
then Genji seemed to easily overpower him
element of surprise
young knoll
we likely will never know, either way, but the idea intrigues me
craggy goblet
but that's speculation
peak escarp
element of surprise
how is it the element of surprise? they had already been fighting for a few minutes before that
craggy goblet
how is it the element of surprise? they had already been fighting for a few minu...
only a shimada can control the dragons
tm
i thought you were dead
peak escarp
this was before the reveal
craggy goblet
this was before the reveal
he managed to get out of that position tho
and fired off the dragons
peak escarp
they fight in the castle, then Genji goes out onto the balcony, Hanzo says it was his duty to kill Genji, Genji cuts an arrow in half then starts attacking Hanzo
desert yacht
oh
didn't we just have the discussion of gameplay =/= lore
or is this just a shitpost
craggy goblet
they fight in the castle, then Genji goes out onto the balcony, Hanzo says it wa...
genji didn't fully overpower him clearly until the dragons actually were used
desert yacht
genji could've easily killed hanzo
peak escarp
genji didn't fully overpower him clearly until the dragons actually were used
this is before the dragons
desert yacht
yeah this scene
craggy goblet
yes
desert yacht
genji wasn't fighting with the intent to kill
craggy goblet
and then he got out of that position
desert yacht
he got out because genji was holding back
craggy goblet
also again we still have to note the handicap of him using a bow
desert yacht
genji could've finished it
craggy goblet
rather than something lighter to fight melee
desert yacht
he just let hanzo have the opportunity to escape and fire the dragons
craggy goblet
but canonically dragons are weak as hell goddamn
desert yacht
because he has no intent to gravely wound hanzo
amber fable
Echo can control the dragon too
desert yacht
also hanzo would be out of practice in a swordfight, especially when genji has cyber agility
amber fable
her canonical ultimate is a duplication
peak escarp
Genji could have overpowered or even killed Hanzo if he wanted to, but he was holding back so he could have his big dramatic reveal
desert yacht
we haven't seen dupe in lore
therefore it is not canon
unless i'm missing something
amber fable
yes we have
peak escarp
yes we have
when?
craggy goblet
okay let's just say
peak escarp
she didn't use her ultimate in any of her canonical appearances
craggy goblet
past hanzo v past genji hanzo wins
current hanzo v current genji genji wins
desert yacht
the closest we have to echo's abilities being referenced in lore is an interaction between winston and echo
peak escarp
"only a Shimada can control the dragons" is probably just Hanzo being dramatic
craggy goblet
"only a Shimada can control the dragons" is probably just Hanzo being dramatic
nah
the shimada technique is the dragons
young knoll
there is no magic in overwatch
amber fable
"Liao’s achievement—an adaptive, versatile artificial intelligence able to modify its [enemies] behaviors, reconfigure (quite literally) on the fly, and learn from those around it—made Echo both the ultimate mission aide and a potential liability as her sentience developed and she began to question her place in the world."
-from the official lore page
craggy goblet
like that's their specific ability
young knoll
probably anybody could use the dragons if they had them
limpid agate
!!loreheroes echo
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/echo#story
peak escarp
"Liao’s achievement—an adaptive, versatile artificial intelligence able to modif...
that doesn't mean she literally transforms - it means she can instantly copy and learn techniques
limpid agate
This is the official lore page
peak escarp
like flying or surgery or combat
amber fable
@limpid agate yeah, i literally copy and pasted a pragraph from the lore page. idk what ur saying
limpid agate
So I know for a fact you didn't use a real source.
craggy goblet
probably anybody could use the dragons if they had them
it's not science that's for sure
limpid agate
it's not science that's for sure
Source
amber fable
@limpid agate this is the "real source" i used: https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/23356245/echoes-of-echo-a-history-of-hero-32/
dumbass
limpid agate
@amber fableThat's not a lore source. And refering to users as "dumbass" will get you removed from this server.
amber fable
LMAO
craggy goblet
Hanzo summons a Spirit Dragon which travels through the air in a line. It passes through walls in its way, devouring any enemies it encounters.
desert yacht
"Echo... you've shown capabilities that should not be possible. Why did Dr. Laio keep so many secrets from us?"
craggy goblet
does this sound like science to you
amber fable
Dude i just spilled my water that was hilarious
limpid agate
Hanzo summons a Spirit Dragon which travels through the air in a line. It passes...
Gameplay != Lore.
desert yacht
that's all we have in reference to echo's abilities
craggy goblet
okay think about it logically
limpid agate
And we've see scientific objects in Overwatch phase through matter
For example: Symmetra's hard light tech
desert yacht
and it could just be AI stuff
amber fable
that's a screenshot @limpid agate
craggy goblet
if the dragons are a technique passed down through generations
amber fable
"And refering to users as "dumbass" will get you removed from this server."
craggy goblet
it can't possibly be a science if the clan has existed for literal centuries
amber fable
ur acting like i called you a slur lmao. don't come at me then get offended when i talk back
young knoll
it has never stated that it existed for centuries
peak escarp
if the dragons are a technique passed down through generations
it's not
amber fable
And refering to users as "dumbass" will get you removed from this server.
limpid agate
Final warning
limpid agate
it can't possibly be a science if the clan has existed for literal centuries
It didn't.
Or at least the dragons didn't.
The dragons were explicitly used as an example to say there is no magic in Overwatch.
craggy goblet
It didn't.
The Shimada family was established centuries ago,
first sentence in the lore
amber fable
@limpid agate imagine dodging an argument with an official source because you are proven wrong
yikes
desert yacht
move on
amber fable
and then proceeding to flex discord mod powers. actual 9 year old mindeet
desert yacht
move on
peak escarp
The Shimada family was established centuries ago,
yes but nothing says that the Shimada ancestors could use the dragons
craggy goblet
true
limpid agate
@craggy goblet Reread what I wrote.
craggy goblet
then what else is it though
desert yacht
could be hardlight
peak escarp
it's probably hard light tech
craggy goblet
like im genuinely curious
limpid agate
Its most likely hard light
desert yacht
the technology exists
limpid agate
It behaves near identically to Symmetra's application of it in A Better World
peak escarp
something that's either a closely guarded family secret, or something with a DNA key
limpid agate
And we have seen many, many, many times where hard light lets matter phase through it.
Its an inconsistent material that works however the writer wants it to work during any given time
craggy goblet
nice
limpid agate
And we've seen the application of the dragons already replicated through hard light externally
peak escarp
they'll probably never explain how the dragons work beyond "it's not magic"
limpid agate
Matter piercing? Energy Drain? Blue glowly light? Flexible into the shape of anything imaginable? No bulbous energy source required?
craggy goblet
why does the reaper lore page still say unknown for his name
craggy goblet
like everything it says there is unknown
peak escarp
because those bios are written from an in-universe perspective
showing the rumor and speculation around them
craggy goblet
o
peak escarp
in-universe, it's a common public theory that Soldier: 76 is actually Jack Morrison who faked his death
craggy goblet
actually soldier 76 is canonically ana amari
but that's a pretty cool perspective tbh
limpid agate
actually soldier 76 is canonically ana amari
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
feral musk
So it's safe to say Sombra's real name isn't Sombra?
limpid agate
Obviously
brave ravine
not really obvious IMO
brave ravine
that's true
young knoll
I mean, it isn't obvious to everyone I guess, but it pretty much should be for a Spanish speaker
brave ravine
It'd seem more weird if people didn't already have weird names IRL
humble radish
I never look so personally I don't know it
sullen raptor
I forgot sombra real name..cynthia?
Wait how did zarya know sombra real name then?
peak escarp
Olivia Colomar
austere steeple
whos canonically gay besides tracer and soldier?
peak escarp
that's it
austere steeple
alright thats what i thought
worn island
Wait how did zarya know sombra real name then?
She knew it because of the the girl from the bakery I believe
who told her
severe lance
@peak escarp isn't Zarya gay too?
clear nest
She knew it because of the the girl from the bakery I believe
Alejandra
sullen raptor
Ooh ok
peak escarp
<@207741110838231042> isn't Zarya gay too?
no
cosmic crest
What about him?
limpid agate
@desert edge That's not relevant to this channel
desert edge
Now, what I said may only be slightly not relevant
But that @glacial hound definitely isn’t relevant to this channel
plucky vault
What
limpid agate
But *that* <@!487773060296998942> definitely isn’t relevant to this channel
If you want to report a user, DM @sullen pagoda instead.
worthy rose
What's the lore on echo. I haven't really looked but I can't find much useful stuff apart from she's a robot
peak escarp
she's a multirole adaptive robot made by Dr. Mina Liao, the roboticist who helped create the omnics
she's a one of a kind robot
also, she was put into storage after Dr. Liao died because nobody was really sure what to do with her
worthy rose
and then overwatch found her and used her or ?
topaz ledge
but if she was put into storage how does she know winston and mcree?
limpid agate
but if she was put into storage how does she know winston and mcree?
She knew them from before she was put into storage
iron plume
There was an attack on the Overwatch facility she worked in
worthy rose
Hello
mortal idol
Did we ever get more on Hammond's backstory beyond "its Winston but a hamster that landed in junkertown"?
iron plume
Did we ever get more on Hammond's backstory beyond "its Winston but a hamster th...
That's a bit oversimplistic but no, not really
iron plume
Not really
The transition from Liao's memories and speech to Echo's is an artistic choice
Also not sure where the "promise" was
peak escarp
that's not how omnics work
random girder
that's not how omnics work
Okay but if Zenyatta can transcend his physical form, surely its not too much of a stretch to say that Liao used a copy of her mind and put it into Echo
ornate canopy
I think it's less like she downloaded Liao, more that she just 'Echos' Liao, therefore resembling her
near smelt
Transcendence isn't canon
random girder
So you mean Liao based Echo's personality and mind on her own?
but like not an exact copy of it, just a basis
iron plume
Yes
Echo is, at least in part, founded on Liao's personality
but it's not a "Liao's mind is inside the machine" situation
limpid agate
Okay but if Zenyatta can transcend his physical form, surely its not too much of...
1 - That's not a thing Zenyatta can do
2 - Even if it was true, it's implied that Aurora's transcendence coincides with her death, so the two points are wholly unrelated
3 - Even if it Zen could transcend and survive, the two are still wholly unrelated
limpid agate
I think it's less like she downloaded Liao, more that she just 'Echos' Liao, the...
This is accurate. Echo is designed to mimic what she sees. She spent so much time with Liao that she mimicked her personality and mannerisms
peak escarp
she probably picked up some mannerisms from everyone she spent time around, including McCree
scarlet apex
Is it ever mentioned at all if McCree and Ashe were ever a thing?
cuz they co-founded the Deadlock Gang and all
iron plume
It was, they weren't
frigid stirrup
Can I get some elaboration on Widowmaker?
She "doesn't have feelings"
But she very clearly does
I'm confused
Is she limited to specific feelings?
finite urchin
She "doesn't have feelings"
her feelings are supressed by some mental conditioning shit so she does have them but very less
frigid stirrup
She still laughs and always has facial expressions
Am I overestimating her amount of emotions
sudden creek
i think that her feelings are more like muted or supressed rather than non existent? idk tho
also in the "Alive" short movie, she says she identifies with the spiders and no longer fears them, so i think that could also be hints of emotion?
unless its a witcher type situation where theyre meant to feel little to no emotion so people see them as such, but in reality they feel things almost the same as everyone else
worn island
yeah, less expressive sounds bout right
limpid agate
unless its a witcher type situation where theyre meant to feel little to no emot...
Its definitely like a Witcher, that's probably the best comparison in fiction.
Their emotional capacity is lesser compared to normal humans, but its still there.
I think that's a very good point, I'm surprised no one has made that comparison yet. Or at least no one I've seen.
tired pivot
Lore and power level wise, should Overwatch characters be amped?
worthy rose
she probably picked up some mannerisms from everyone she spent time around, incl...
This is probably unrelated but this reminds me that one of her victory poses is McCree
rather, she's imitating the cowboy hat n all
worthy rose
Lore and power level wise, should Overwatch characters be amped?
Nah Overwatch characters are already powerful enough
tired pivot
Nah Overwatch characters are already powerful enough
How so?
peak escarp
their power level is suitable for the story
worthy rose
Doomfist can punch hard enough to send cars flying,Winston can overpower Doomfist,Reaper can survive nearly anything,Genji can cut through a massive mechs hand,Symmetra can create cities,Sigma can manipulate gravity,etc I dont think you need to make them any more powerful
is the extent of reaper and moira is that that were on blackwatch together and she saved his life?
peak escarp
they're also both on the Talon council, and Reaper considers her a friend
tired pivot
Doomfist can punch hard enough to send cars flying,Winston can overpower Doomfis...
I get that but when you look at Marvel, DC and even TF2 they technically have higher feats and it doesn’t really damage the story, the reason I say this is because the feats in Overwatch sadly aren’t as impressive as they look since others can pull off their feats much easier, Hulk can pretty much overpower Winston and Doomfist combined, it’s also kind of the reason why Widow still can’t beat black widow, the whole Symmetra creating a city feat, does that happen in the comics?
peak escarp
why does it matter what other characters in a different franchise can do?
they're completely unrelated
tired pivot
Because I’m putting them in comparison, in my opinion Overwatch should technically be in the same level as them, to an extent at least.
tired pivot
Thats why I said to an extent
peak escarp
the power level in Overwatch makes sense for Overwatch, based on the setting of a near-future earth that's grounded in technology
worthy rose
And its a first person shooter game so ofc its not gonna be Marvel level of power
tired pivot
the power level in Overwatch makes sense for Overwatch, based on the setting of ...
Thats the point, why don’t we show technically in the purest extent than what they’re showing in the game.
worthy rose
they're also both on the Talon council, and Reaper considers her a friend
but in all the interactions ive seen they're more like cold acquaintances
tired pivot
And its a first person shooter game so ofc its not gonna be Marvel level of powe...
Exactly, thats why I’m going by lore
worthy rose
in-game interactions anyway
peak escarp
very few heroes have innate powers - most of them derive their abilities from their weapons or tech
peak escarp
but in all the interactions ive seen they're more like cold acquaintances
on Oasis:
Reaper: I need to pay a visit to a friend.
Sombra: Always a mystery with you.```Yeah, plus with they’re powers based on technology don’t you think it would be a lot more fun to see the technology expand since it is the future?
peak escarp
it's the near future
tired pivot
Thats why
peak escarp
things are only going to advance so much in 60 years
worthy rose
on Oasis:
``` Sombra: So what are we doing here, boss?
Reaper: I need to ...
ohhh that reminds me of sombra and reaper interaction
peak escarp
tbh I don't really understand what point you're trying to make
worthy rose
god i love sombra's personality
tired pivot
tbh I don't really understand what point you're trying to make
My point is that they’re pretty much showing that the technology in the story is good but it can be better and the more time passes the more advanced technology becomes which results into them getting more powerful.
Thats kind of one of the ideas I hoped Blizzard had for Overwatch 2 but so far it really isn’t
peak escarp
yes, the more time passes, the more technology improves
but not much time has passed
tired pivot
Exactly
peak escarp
Zero Hour is only a year after Recall/OW1
tired pivot
but not much time has passed
Even then with the technology they have what’s stopping them from expanding faster than usual?
peak escarp
I still don't understand what you mean
tired pivot
Because even the technology they have in Overwatch is way more advanced in the modern day to even be considered “near future”. If Sigma can create an artificial sun and even black holes from scrap then whats stopping the rest of the characters from expanding the technology they have as well as their power?
peak escarp
artificial sun?
worthy rose
Sigma cannot create a sun
Also he doesnt really make a black hole
He cant use it offensively
peak escarp
he made a microscopic black hole for a fraction of a second and it nearly killed him
there is currently in the world people working on the research to create and harness black holes
it's not that farfetched
tired pivot
Well correction attempted to make an artificial sun sorry about that but even then, creating a black hole does raise a lot of eyebrows
peak escarp
tired pivot
Oh this video
peak escarp
a lot of the technology in Overwatch is just the logical progression of technologies that are bleeding edge right now - black holes, nanobiotics, sonic weapons, cybernetics, robotics, AI
tired pivot
a lot of the technology in Overwatch is just the logical progression of technolo...
I mean to be fair the black holes part is still questionable, to put it simply it’s a lot harder that it looks and even then it’s still questionable if we can make one today.
peak escarp
well it is still science fiction after all
tired pivot
AI is also another thing that’s confusing, are you talking about Sentient AI or Programed AI
peak escarp
artificial intelligence is by definition both sentient and programmed
tired pivot
Yeah but at the same time we barely even managed to do Programed AI, most of the “Sentient” AI is either fake or programed
peak escarp
that might change in the future
tired pivot
And as for the Nanobots, dude I’m sorry but that stuff is fake, we still didn’t even managed to tap to it yet
peak escarp
not small robots
limpid agate
There are no nanobots in Overwatch
tired pivot
I know
tired pivot
Oh, well even then it’s not really anything “high tech” we had that stuff for a while dude, they’re called vaccines
😂
peak escarp
not the same thing
tired pivot
Idk man
peak escarp
nanobiotic particles are far smaller than vaccine particles
limpid agate
Whats your point overall?
tired pivot
Whats your point overall?
Me or him?
limpid agate
You
tired pivot
Oh ok, my point is that the technology in Overwatch should evolve and make the characters at least stronger than they were before, not to the extent of Marvel, DC, or One Punch man but to show off how advanced technology can become
limpid agate
What
worthy rose
Any tips on how to get good at overwatch (switch edition)
limpid agate
@worthy rose This is the lore channel
tired pivot
Oh boy, well to simplify it, technology can expand infinitely right?
Or at least to an extent where it can advance as time goes on.
tired pivot
Ok, and Overwatch characters revolve around technology, am I correct? Also sorry if the way I’m saying this can be offensive I don’t mean to try and anger people.
limpid agate
I dont understand the purpose of your proposal
tired pivot
Well what parts of it don’t you understand?
limpid agate
The purpose
tired pivot
Honestly the reason why is because they try to show technology in a way where it is a lot more advanced than today and can be considered futuristic but the way they display it the lore kind of makes the technology look like it would be obsolete in a few years. Especially when the characters aren’t giving feats that aren’t as impressive as they look.
limpid agate
The game is only supposed to be 60 years in the future.
This isn't a world of space ships and phasers
I dont know what you are expecting with your proposal. Like, give an example.
tired pivot
This isn't a world of space ships and phasers
I mean, that statement raises eyebrows for me
peak escarp
why?
tired pivot
First of all how does Tracer reload, and how was the moon facility built
So you guys are pretty much saying that Overwatch isn’t too far into the future and should look like Battlefield 2042?
tired pivot
Uhhhh sure
limpid agate
Not some far off Bespin or Vulcan
tired pivot
Welp now the lore doesn’t make sense
limpid agate
Why
tired pivot
How is it not too far into the future? I get that’s it takes place in 2070 something but even then technological breakthroughs can happen in the snap of a finger.
limpid agate
What do you mean by that
There was a smaller time between the Wright Brothers and the first man in space.
Than there is between today and Overwatch.
tired pivot
No but didn’t technically revolutionize itself by this time in this version of 2070?
peak escarp
not really
limpid agate
What
tired pivot
Ok now I’m just getting confused.
peak escarp
aside from omnics, we're not told about any massive technological breakthroughs
tired pivot
So now you’re saying that Overwatch should look like Battlefield 2042?
tired pivot
Ok now that just raises even more confusion, and yes I am reading it
compact cobalt
just stop talking bro
tired pivot
Dude what do you mean, I’m not even trying to troll anyone tf?
Dude take a chill pill.
peak escarp
basic timeline:
"present day" Overwatch is 60 years in our future (roughly 2075)
30 years before that (30 years in our future)- omnic crisis
tired pivot
I know that but if it really is supposed to be like 20 years into the future then how does Sentient AI exist? Hell even the “Sentient” AI we have now is fake.
peak escarp
like I said, that could change - there could be a breakthrough in AI technology
also, the omnics weren't made to be sentient
they became sentient on their own
limpid agate
Their sentience is a mystery in universe as well
People still don't understand what happened
peak escarp
that's the fiction part of science fiction
compact cobalt
I know that but if it really is supposed to be like 20 years into the future the...
its quite literally not real
its a video game
tired pivot
I know, thats why I’m talking about the lore of the game, and plus we were technically comparing it to real life stuff except for the ones that don’t exist
Thats why I’m in the lore discussion dude lol.
compact cobalt
overwatch is relatively grounded
peak escarp
in the lore of the game, nobody knows how or why the omniums woke back up after being shut down or how omnics gained sentience
compact cobalt
in like 60 years we wont have flying cars and ai people
peak escarp
the only thing we do know is that an omnic named Aurora was the first to gain sentience, and she sacrificed herself to somehow give sentience to all other omnics
compact cobalt
but overwatch is like a "what if" version of real life
tired pivot
the only thing we do know is that an omnic named Aurora was the first to gain se...
Ok I’m gonna say this bluntly and gently and I don’t mean to spread hate at all, I don’t mean this offensively, that is extremely stupid and it kinda makes me feel suspicious wether they know a theory on how they can make sentient AI in the lore.
peak escarp
okay
tired pivot
I’m sorry dude I can’t wrap my head around it
peak escarp
it's fiction
it doesn't have to make real world sense
Widowmaker is blue because they "slowed her heart to make her a better sniper"
compact cobalt
widow should be dead
tired pivot
I know but even other fictional stories can depict Sentient AI a lot better, even Star Wars can depict it better.
peak escarp
slowing someone's heart wouldn't make them blue or a better sniper, it would make them dead
peak escarp
it makes sense within the universe they have established and that's good enough
compact cobalt
there are a shit ton of unexplained things but ow2 will most likely explain most of them
tired pivot
it makes sense within the universe they have established and that's good enough
Not really because if it’s not explained then there is no logic to it.
peak escarp
it is explained
I told you the explanation
that's not how it works in the real world, but that's how it works in Overwatch
tired pivot
Thats not how it works in general dude
peak escarp
because it's science fiction - they're allowed to make their own rules of the universe
tired pivot
Even in fiction it has to have some logic to it in order for it to make sense.
peak escarp
how can Loki shapeshift into someone of a different mass than his original body? that doesn't make sense
tired pivot
I mean it’s technically an illusion but ok
tired pivot
Dude then how do they work?
peak escarp
we don't know
in-universe, nobody knows except the people who made them
and they're all dead
tired pivot
Exactly so how is it logical when we don’t know anything, let alone even get an explanation on how it works
peak escarp
I don't know how an internal combustion engine works, doesn't mean I'm going to complain that it has no logic
tired pivot
If we don’t know how it works then it either doesn’t make sense or we aren’t taking a closer look at it.
peak escarp
there is an explanation, we just aren't told what it is
not knowing how they work is a part of the story
tired pivot
And if we take a closer look and we don’t find anything then it’s nothing
tired pivot
I mean, this is why theories exist dude lol
peak escarp
stop calling me dude
tired pivot
Oh sorry
And even then if they wanna keep it a mystery thats fine but if they really aren’t going to explain it in the future then all of it was pointless.
peak escarp
why do they need to explain it?
how omnics work is not important to the story
how Hanzo's dragons work isn't important to the story
how Tracer reloads isn't important to the story
tired pivot
why do they need to explain it?
Because sooner or later we’ll have to know the answers, I don’t mean to sound cringy making this comparison because the fanbase for Fnaf is weird but why do you think Fnaf technically unveiled almost every mystery the story had?
peak escarp
the mysteries in FNAF are part of the story
if how omnics function becomes important to the story of Overwatch, it will get explained
tired pivot
Yeah, except in Fnaf it’s actually done in a good way, the Omnic Crisis is something that should’ve already been solved already
peak escarp
but right now, how omnics gained sentience isn't important to the global war that Talon and Null Sector are starting
peak escarp
Yeah, except in Fnaf it’s actually done in a good way, the Omnic Crisis is somet...
why would it be solved?
here's what we know:
When Omnica Corporation revolutionized robotic manufacturing, it seemed the world was on the verge of entering an economic golden age. Their massive factories of automated construction machines and self-improving software algorithms were patented, marketed as "omniums," and installed on every continent.
What came next is well-documented. The omniums began to break down. Independent analysis showed they would never come close to meeting the corporation's promises of growth and output. Omnica was investigated and forcibly dissolved after evidence of fraud was uncovered, its omniums shut down.```
This was a war many countries thought they were prepared to fight. But no single country, no matter how powerful its military, could permanently shut down a single omnium. The adaptability of robots, once celebrated by humanity, had become a tactical nightmare. Worst of all, there were no demands from the omnics. There was no ideological reason for their aggression. They simply attacked, and we did not understand why.```Because it’s gonna be a plot hole that will be stuck in the games lore for the rest of its life
peak escarp
unexplained =/= plot hole
tired pivot
So the omni crisis isn’t important?
peak escarp
not right now
they might revisit it in the future
and then the mystery might get solved
tired pivot
they might revisit it in the future
I doubt it honestly.
peak escarp
for example, I think Junkrat's "treasure" is information about how/why the omniums woke up
if that comes back into the story, then we might get answers
tired pivot
Then what if it doesn’t?
tired pivot
So if it isn’t answered then all of it was pointless?
peak escarp
not at all
tired pivot
Ok how?
tired pivot
worldbuilding is not pointless
Thats not world building thats just flat out wasting ideas
Anyway I’m gonna go to sleep, I’m sorry if it got a bit tense.
tired pivot
Alrighty, have a great night :3
astral hamlet
Ok had this thought for a while.
Sigma knows he's part of a game universe.
He can hear all the non diagetic music, lines indicate he remembers respawning previously.
iron plume
Everyone's lines refer to respawning
peak escarp
he doesn't hear the non-diagetic music
iron plume
And the music he refers to is the melody he hears in his head, like in his origin video
It's a reference to "music of the universe"
peak escarp
he hears "the melody", which is an auditory hallucination unique to him as a result of his brain damage
astral hamlet
Well now I feel stupid because though this was a cool point.
peak escarp
the game itself isn't canon and does not exist with the Overwatch universe
iron plume
It's an interesting idea
Just doesn't happen to be true
peak escarp
it's not like Apex
brave ravine
Well now I feel stupid because though this was a cool point.
it's not a bad idea at all, but there is some evidence against it. Since you're willing to change your viewpoint, don't feel stupid!
peak escarp
at least you had good reasoning for your theory - most people just make stuff up and get mad when it's not true
worthy rose
Is the lore animated or is it in comics? I'm trying to get into it because people say it's good but I have no idea where to start
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
worthy rose
Thanks alot
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/#story
worthy rose
Thanks once again
limber torrent
Hi, I have recently started maining Zhenyatta and would like to hear a short version of his story before I read his official stories. Can someone provide me with some basic information? Thank you.
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/zenyatta#story
iron plume
There's not much in the way of stories for him, however, he's only featured in Stone By Stone
fierce creek
Omnic is evil one right
iron plume
Omnics were the bad guys a couple of decades ago in the Crisis
But in the present they're not all good or evil
fierce creek
What does that mean idk about this lore that much but u mean some omnic are good and some are bad
pastel dust
Omnics are now about as neutral as humans, to say the least. It's the Null Sector that's the bad guys.
limpid agate
@fierce creek That's like asking if the Elves are the bad guys.
In any non-specific high fantasy franchise
fierce creek
Don't tag me next time tq
limpid agate
You asked a question that is too broad or vague.
There are bad guys that are omnics.
fierce creek
Ok
limpid agate
But Omnics, the race, are not inherently villains.
They were at war with humans 30 years ago
They are not now.
iron plume
Or glide at the least
The easy answer to any in-game questions is "because in-game balance"
But we also haven't seen any floating omnics that can float higher than what Zen hovers at
wet portal
Damn 😔
peak escarp
Zen's floating seems to only be something he does when meditating
in Stone by Stone and the OW2 storyboards, he walks
worn island
Do you reckon zen will actually do anything like, float transcend, attack in ow2?
worthy rose
Omnics were probably created using alien technology.
peak escarp
Omnics were probably created using alien technology.
why do you think that?
ornate gust
wasnt it confirmed that dr. liau(?) helped design omnics
peak escarp
prior to joining the organization, Dr. Liao was widely considered one of the preeminent experts in the fields of robotics and artificial intelligence, and an employee of Omnica Corporation. There she worked on the team that was responsible for the design and creation of the omnics that would ultimately wage war against humanity during the Omnic Crisis. Ultimately, it was this expertise that led her to be recruited into Overwatch to help stop her creations.
worthy rose
Yeah, but it could be because of breakthroughs made in these fields due to discovered alien tech. It's interesting to me that Sigma discovered some kind of crazy musical signal while conducting research as an astrophysicist. Music and melodies imply an intelligent designer, and it seems he's gained some interesting insights into gravity from studying whatever that is. There's also some crazy conspiracy that Sombra's invested in exposing which centers around that mysterious 'eye' symbol, and it's connected to the Omnics, among other things. I think the 'eye' is really important.
peak escarp
except there's no indication that aliens even exist in Overwatch
Sigma didn't discover a musical signal, he started hallucinating music
worthy rose
I think that's a reductionist's perspective
peak escarp
plenty of people with brain damage have auditory hallucinations
worthy rose
I believe it goes beyond mere brain damage, when he's a genius scientist investigating space, claiming to hear music and then going on to harness gravity with incredible technologies.
Whatever he discovered may have made him crazy, but I don't think it's fair to assume he's only crazy.
worthy rose
There are definitely moments in his reveal that show him in a 'crazed' state with an erratic and disorganized internal monologue, sounding distressed and whatnot. It's not uncommon in brain injuries.
peak escarp
regardless of Sigma's mental state, there's no suggestion of aliens anywhere in the story
worthy rose
See, I don't think that's true. They come from beyond the moon, like that poster in Hollywood. There's also the cave on Route 66, and what's fascinating about these depictions of aliens is that they seem to be cyclopes, having one eye, just like the symbol that Sombra has connected to the Omnics and Talon and many other dubious things in her lore, the one-eyed symbol.
iron plume
The poster on Hollywood is a movie
peak escarp
yeah
iron plume
We have movies about aliens IRL, it doesn't mean there are Aliens on earth
peak escarp
and the thing on Route 66 is a tourist trap, like you find a lot in the south
iron plume
The cave is a tourist trap, we have those too
worthy rose
The powers-that-be, having made contact with aliens, have engaged in an cover-up by popularizing caricatures of the aliens and embedding them in popular culture, to discredit those interested in the truth.
Like Roswell greys.
iron plume
None of what you said is supported by evidence
worthy rose
Sure it is, it's all there.
iron plume
Overwatch's popular culture is similar to our world's
Our world's popular culture has aliens
That's where OW's "signs" of aliens come from
delicate fox
Media uses aliens as a marketing ploy, who says they wouldnt do it in ow as well
worthy rose
You've got Sigma with his discovery of some kind of intelligent signal, bestowing mind-shattering knowledge on him. You have allusions to some sort of alien in popular culture in the world of OW and there's probably a deeper story to it. You have governments engaged in shady clandestine arrangements with the Omnics to exchange technology, with a lot of focus made on those three-orb cores as seen in 'Infiltration.' It's all totally there, man.
austere steeple
aliens in overwatch wouldnt even be that weird
iron plume
It's not an intelligent signal, it refers to the "music of the spheres"
austere steeple
it is basically a superhero comic setting
delicate fox
And for the government omnic thing
worthy rose
And that could be a lot of things, "Music of the Spheres" could be alien as anything else.
peak escarp
it is basically a superhero comic setting
yes but it's still grounded in reality, with no magic or supernatural elements
iron plume
There's a simple explanation and you're stretching to fit it to your preexisting notion
worthy rose
Aliens aren't magic or supernatural.
iron plume
The closest we have to an alien are Winston and Hammond, because they were born on the moon
But it was in a manmade science outpost
worthy rose
They could be, and I think there's more reason for aliens to be in Overwatch than talking hamsters.
iron plume
The reason for a hamster to be in Overwatch is because he is in Overwatch
austere steeple
how did winston develop his strength correctly on the moon?
iron plume
how did winston develop his strength correctly on the moon?
The base has artificial gravity
delicate fox
how did winston develop his strength correctly on the moon?
Horizon has normal gravity
worthy rose
He has enough of an understanding of the English language to be able to communicate with the help of a large robot than he created, so I think the point of him talking is fair enough.
delicate fox
As you can see by playing there
iron plume
as you can see for yourself in-game
austere steeple
oh ok
delicate fox
He has enough of an understanding of the English language to be able to communic...
That would be because he was still within humans in horizon
worthy rose
Yeah, yeah.
iron plume
"Weird thing X exists therefore weird thing Y does" is not a coherent argument.
worthy rose
But the aliens are definitely coming, all the signs are there, in spite of all the contrarianism.
iron plume
I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you
austere steeple
i dont think that will happen
delicate fox
and old
Well this also would fit how people like reinhardt or soldier can still do very athletic tasks
worthy rose
I'm not but I am stoked to see it
iron plume
If Blizzard has aliens planned, they haven't shown it yet
peak escarp
hes also huge for a hamster
he's genetially enhanced, like Winston
austere steeple
but when did aliens get considered magic
worthy rose
They've definitely laid out plenty of signs
peak escarp
Winston is also larger and smarter and older than a standard gorilla
worthy rose
but when did aliens get considered magic
That's what I'm sayin
worthy rose
They've laid out less signs than actual hollywood
I'm not sure what you mean by that
iron plume
There are more aliens in popular culture IRL than there are in Overwatch
worthy rose
Nah, man. Ghosts would be supernatural
Aliens are biological and technological
totally grounded
delicate fox
But we couldnt understand it
peak escarp
we already have a non-alien explanation for omnics
delicate fox
Since we couldnt replicate it
worthy rose
No way, Six, the omnics are still shrouded in lots of mystery
delicate fox
Supernatural also references to "Attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding"
austere steeple
i know orb of harmony and discord are not canon abilities, but is transcendence?
iron plume
If you take references in fiction as a reason something exists, than so do Gods on Olympus, killer bees and Sharknadoes
worthy rose
Supernatural also references to "Attributed to some force beyond scientific unde...
We would be capable of understanding it, we just don't yet have understanding of it. That would be saying that every element yet undiscovered is supernatural, simply because we haven't seen it yet.
peak escarp
i know orb of harmony and discord are not canon abilities, but is transcendence?
Transcendence seems to be a reference to the transcendence of Aurora, the omnic who sacrificed herself to give omnics sentience
worthy rose
This demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the differences between supernatural and natural things, bro
delicate fox
We would be capable of understanding it, we just don't yet have understanding of...
Scientifically we wouldnt have the resources to understand it fully
iron plume
Let's drop the semantics topic
austere steeple
i mean, i would like someone to summon a sharknado for an ult
delicate fox
which would make it supernatural
worthy rose
Scientifically we wouldnt have the resources to understand it fully
I think that's a dubious prospect because tech has advanced to a high degree in OW
iron plume
They're not supernatural, but they don't have to be to not be in overwatch
worthy rose
The UNSC didn't view the Covenant as supernatural
delicate fox
I think that's a dubious prospect because tech has advanced to a high degree in ...
By from what we know the furthest still in space they went was the moon
peak escarp
the fact remains that there is no evidence of real aliens in Overwatch, only fictional aliens
worthy rose
But there's reason to suggest an intelligence beyond Omnics and Humans
iron plume
No there isn't
worthy rose
which is probably aliens
iron plume
wrong channel
worthy rose
Yeah there is, Sigma found evidence of it
peak escarp
But there's reason to suggest an intelligence beyond Omnics and Humans
there really isn't
delicate fox
go to the LFG channels
iron plume
#overwatch or LFG
iron plume
Sigma got his mind shattered by a black hole and has hallucinations
And even if you presume that "the music" is something deliberately made by an intelligence
delicate fox
sigma didnt search for aliens
worthy rose
That's most likely because there's some intelligence behind blackholes or the intelligence utilizes blackholes in some way and can transmit data through them directly to organic beings
iron plume
That doesn't mean said intelligence is on earth
delicate fox
Sigma went to learn about gravityt
iron plume
You're talking nonsense in circles
austere steeple
we hear the music when he gravity slams us
worthy rose
No I'm not, I just made a novel point
delicate fox
as you can see here
Sigma went crazy when a black hole kinda ripped his being into 2
iron plume
You made a baseless point with no support, then repeated it over and over again while still not giving it any support